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Title: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Donoghus on October 03, 2016, 01:45:51 PM
One of the bigger names expected to be in next year's draft.  He's already had injury concerns.

Per Jeff Goodman (but also seeing news cited elsewhere on Twitter)

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Duke freshman Harry Giles had knee surgery on Monday and is expected to be out for six weeks. This isn't good news -- since he's recovering from a torn ACL he suffered in the first game of his high school season.

Jeff Goodman, ESPN Insider
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: coffee425 on October 03, 2016, 01:52:19 PM
With the 1st overall pick in the 2017 Draft, the Philadelphia 76ers select Harry Giles...
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 03, 2016, 01:55:06 PM
After watching his high school videos (which really won't tell you too much re: NBA competition), this is the guy that I wanted, as he would fit next to Horford perfectly.

Injury concerns are always a toss-up. Everyone thought there was no way that Adrian Peterson would come back to peak form so quickly after his ACL surgery, while Greg Oden never got his career started (and maybe Embiid as well).

It's hard to predict recovery time and post-injury performance. Luckily there's a lot of time between now and late June.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on October 03, 2016, 02:06:06 PM
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Duke-freshman-Harry-Giles-undergoes-arthroscopic-surgery-47978546

Its arthroscopic. Doesnt look to be the worst surgery, but definetely is alarming.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 03, 2016, 02:06:18 PM
The nice thing about this upcoming draft is that the lottery teams competing with the Brooklyn pick (Philly, LA, Phoenix, New Orleans, Sacramento) have all recently devoted assets to the PF/C positions. All could use a good SG/SF, which is an area of strength among our young players. There are a bunch of pgs coming out early, and I could see many of the same teams picking one.

Therefore, the Celtics (with any luck of the ping pong balls) will have a decent chance at picking either the best or 2nd best big man in the draft.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: fairweatherfan on October 03, 2016, 02:10:20 PM
He's auditioning for the Sixers  :P
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: The One on October 03, 2016, 02:14:19 PM
That stinks...for us fans...but of course more for him.

I really like his game but I don't think the Celtics should draft him...too risky.


"Eighty percent of success is showing up." - Woody Allen
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 03, 2016, 02:25:47 PM
"Injury concerns" is an understatement. He has already blown out both knees. Incredible talent that I would not touch with a 10 foot pole.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: gift on October 03, 2016, 03:04:11 PM
I had been holding out, but this little surgery officially puts him in the "too risky" category for me.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 03, 2016, 03:49:57 PM
Interestingly, I saw a Derrick Favors comp on nbadraft.net

I don't think Giles looks like Favors at all- I see a more polished offensive player like LaMarcus Aldridge.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: Big333223 on October 03, 2016, 04:58:54 PM
Is this 3 knee surgeris before the age of 20? That is, indeed, distressing.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: PhoSita on October 03, 2016, 05:33:19 PM
Seems like a candidate to stay in school for an extra year, or else fall to the back of the lottery, maybe even to the end of the 1st round.


I like Tatum and Jackson better anyway.  We need to add more wings with size.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 03, 2016, 05:38:50 PM
Seems like a candidate to stay in school for an extra year, or else fall to the back of the lottery, maybe even to the end of the 1st round.


I like Tatum and Jackson better anyway.  We need to add more wings with size.
jaylen brown and Jae crowder are both under contract for the next 4 years.

This sucks. Giles was arguably the most talented guy in this draft and seemed to fit us perfectly.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: Denis998 on October 03, 2016, 05:46:35 PM
Is this like his 4th knee surgery?
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: saltlover on October 03, 2016, 06:46:15 PM
I had been holding out, but this little surgery officially puts him in the "too risky" category for me.

I'm still holding out.  Cleanup procedures after major surgeries are not unheard of, and that sounds like all this is.  If he suffered his original injury a month earlier, he'd have had this procedure in late August and you might never have heard about it, since it's possible he wouldn't have even missed any practice.  If he comes back in mid-to-late November, that puts the full recovery time for the injury at just about a year, since he got hurt the beginning of November 2015.  A year for an ACL in a basketball player is pretty standard.  Nerlens Noel, who everyone seems to love here, was given 18 months to recover.

I care how much and how well he's playing, not this.  If he gets hurt in February, I'm out.  But this is practically a nothingburger to me.
Title: Re: Harry Giles has knee surgery (Out 6 weeks)
Post by: Evantime34 on October 03, 2016, 06:54:18 PM
Seems like a candidate to stay in school for an extra year, or else fall to the back of the lottery, maybe even to the end of the 1st round.


I like Tatum and Jackson better anyway.  We need to add more wings with size.
This surgery is only going to have him out like 6 weeks. I expect that he will still be a top 5 pick.

I'm of the mind that a prospect is being foolish if they are a top 10 pick and choose to stay another year.
Title: Harry Giles damaged goods?
Post by: triboy16f on October 29, 2016, 06:20:41 PM
He is out currently for about 6 weeks due to surgery on his left knee (Oct 2016)

He has torn his mcl, acl on his left knee and acl on his right knee in the past

Question is , is he on the same unfortunate path Greg Oden travelled on or with better medical

assistance via college/nba could lead to a proper road to recovery  (Embiid, Noel)?

Would you bite the bullet and take him at #5 for example?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/acc/2016/10/03/duke-star-freshman-harry-giles-has-knee-surgery/91478024/
Title: Re: Harry Giles damaged goods?
Post by: A Future of Stevens on October 29, 2016, 06:24:33 PM
I have honestly been thinking about this alot since I have started looking forward to this draft. Its so tough because he is a top two talent.

But as you have brought up, he hasnt played a single game in college, yet his knees are basically bionic at this point. We will just have to see how he progresses along this year and trust the Cs doctors.

I think it would be hard for me to bite the bullet at 5. Talent, but its scary.
Title: Re: Harry Giles damaged goods?
Post by: Denis998 on October 29, 2016, 06:32:35 PM
He is kinda what Drose is at this point.
Title: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Bostoncelticsforlife7 on November 24, 2016, 12:52:42 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: triboy16f on November 24, 2016, 12:56:35 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

Giles is like 65 percent kemp and 35 percent horford

Fine prospect but too many injuries.. risky pick
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Denis998 on November 24, 2016, 12:58:45 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

Giles is like 65 percent kemp and 35 percent horford

Fine prospect but too many injuries.. risky pick
32.5% Kemp, 17.5% Horford, and 50% Oden
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Bostoncelticsforlife7 on November 24, 2016, 01:27:29 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

Giles is like 65 percent kemp and 35 percent horford

Fine prospect but too many injuries.. risky pick
32.5% Kemp, 17.5% Horford, and 50% Oden
I feel like Giles is a risk worth taking. If he does turn out to be a star, we have ourselves a monster down low who can grab 15 boards a night and protect the rim. If he doesn't, we bring back the croatian beast Mr. Zizic and he can help us down low, and we can look at the 2018 draft to find a gem. Plus if you look at Embiid and Noel they are turning out just fine.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: BitterJim on November 24, 2016, 01:28:30 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

If the medical staff clears him and Danny drafts him, I'll be happy. I wouldn't want to be the GM that ends up picking him, though, because if his injuries end his career, they'll end yours, too. It's an Embiid or Oden level risk
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Big333223 on November 24, 2016, 01:44:38 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

If the medical staff clears him and Danny drafts him, I'll be happy. I wouldn't want to be the GM that ends up picking him, though, because if his injuries end his career, they'll end yours, too. It's an Embiid or Oden level risk
Definitely a risk. If he can comes back healthy and plays well for Duke that could go a long way in convincing me he's worth it. But now there's talk that maybe he won't play this season. That would make him a pretty scary pick.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 24, 2016, 05:43:05 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

If the medical staff clears him and Danny drafts him, I'll be happy. I wouldn't want to be the GM that ends up picking him, though, because if his injuries end his career, they'll end yours, too. It's an Embiid or Oden level risk
Definitely a risk. If he can comes back healthy and plays well for Duke that could go a long way in convincing me he's worth it. But now there's talk that maybe he won't play this season. That would make him a pretty scary pick.
I don't think there is any basis for that talk.  Coach K had Giles and the other two injured freshman go through pre-game walkthrough before the last game so they all should be reasonably close to playing.  If he's healthy, Giles can't afford to sit out the season with the quality of this draft.  Definitely need to see him play well at Duke before I'd take him in the top 5 and probably top 10. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: mr. dee on November 24, 2016, 06:23:29 PM
If he was cleared by the Celtics to be drafted, I'd take him. But I'd like to see him play at least one game in Duke.

We can take a gamble on him, given that he is the BPA out there. He won't be forced to play heavy minutes as he will be behind Horford in the rotation. Plus he needs to learn Brad's system before given the green lights to play. It took Rozier a whole season to be integrated in the system. I expect Jaylen to be the same so I wouldn't worry about Giles not playing for awhile.

Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: hwangjini_1 on November 24, 2016, 06:49:00 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

Giles is like 65 percent kemp and 35 percent horford

Fine prospect but too many injuries.. risky pick
32.5% Kemp, 17.5% Horford, and 50% Oden
I feel like Giles is a risk worth taking. If he does turn out to be a star, we have ourselves a monster down low who can grab 15 boards a night and protect the rim. If he doesn't, we bring back the croatian beast Mr. Zizic and he can help us down low, and we can look at the 2018 draft to find a gem. Plus if you look at Embiid and Noel they are turning out just fine.
but, are the injuries comparable? embiid had bone trouble in his feet. i dont think that gives anyone any clue or indication of  giles' future health since his woes are ACL surgeries in his knees. embiid's injury sheds zero light on giles' future.

does anyone here know of any pro athlete who has undergone two ACL operations on their knee and went on to have a  successful and long career? and, conversely, do we know of any who have not?

UPDATE: there is this.
http://williamsterett.com/blog-dr-william-sterett/2015/8/28/10-top-athletes-who-have-recovered-successfully-from-acl-mcl-and-shoulder-injuries

and this.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/09/nfl-rg3-knee-surgeries-others/1820461/

and even this.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1177651-10-nba-players-that-suffered-torn-acls-and-recovered-better-than-ever
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: moiso on November 24, 2016, 07:01:02 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

Giles is like 65 percent kemp and 35 percent horford

Fine prospect but too many injuries.. risky pick
32.5% Kemp, 17.5% Horford, and 50% Oden
I feel like Giles is a risk worth taking. If he does turn out to be a star, we have ourselves a monster down low who can grab 15 boards a night and protect the rim. If he doesn't, we bring back the croatian beast Mr. Zizic and he can help us down low, and we can look at the 2018 draft to find a gem. Plus if you look at Embiid and Noel they are turning out just fine.
but, are the injuries comparable? embiid had bone trouble in his feet. i dont think that gives anyone any clue or indication of  giles' future health since his woes are ACL surgeries in his knees. embiid's injury sheds zero light on giles' future.

does anyone here know of any pro athlete who has undergone two ACL operations on their knee and went on to have a  successful and long career? and, conversely, do we know of any who have not?

UPDATE: there is this.
http://williamsterett.com/blog-dr-william-sterett/2015/8/28/10-top-athletes-who-have-recovered-successfully-from-acl-mcl-and-shoulder-injuries

and this.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/09/nfl-rg3-knee-surgeries-others/1820461/

and even this.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1177651-10-nba-players-that-suffered-torn-acls-and-recovered-better-than-ever
Leon Powe, right?   Loved the guy but he didn't last very long.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Bostoncelticsforlife7 on November 24, 2016, 07:35:51 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

Giles is like 65 percent kemp and 35 percent horford

Fine prospect but too many injuries.. risky pick
32.5% Kemp, 17.5% Horford, and 50% Oden
I feel like Giles is a risk worth taking. If he does turn out to be a star, we have ourselves a monster down low who can grab 15 boards a night and protect the rim. If he doesn't, we bring back the croatian beast Mr. Zizic and he can help us down low, and we can look at the 2018 draft to find a gem. Plus if you look at Embiid and Noel they are turning out just fine.
but, are the injuries comparable? embiid had bone trouble in his feet. i dont think that gives anyone any clue or indication of  giles' future health since his woes are ACL surgeries in his knees. embiid's injury sheds zero light on giles' future.

does anyone here know of any pro athlete who has undergone two ACL operations on their knee and went on to have a  successful and long career? and, conversely, do we know of any who have not?

UPDATE: there is this.
http://williamsterett.com/blog-dr-william-sterett/2015/8/28/10-top-athletes-who-have-recovered-successfully-from-acl-mcl-and-shoulder-injuries

and this.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/09/nfl-rg3-knee-surgeries-others/1820461/

and even this.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1177651-10-nba-players-that-suffered-torn-acls-and-recovered-better-than-ever
Oh ya your right with embiid, but didn't Nerlens Noel tear his ACL in college?
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: csfansince60s on November 24, 2016, 09:18:35 PM
As others have said: Huge risk, Huge Reward.

A healthy, cleared Giles would go #1 in this draft unless one of the Internationals somehow does something incredibly extraordinary.

So being able to pick him will depend both on where we pick and how uncertain his prognosis is.

Embiid, projected #1 for most of the year, dropped to #3 becasue of his injuries.
Noel fell to 6th.

I guess best case is that we win the lottery and he looks great and is medically cleared. Both of those events happening seperately are improbable on their own. For both to happen.....well.....so if we have a chance to draft him, there wil most likely be substantial risk involved...as others have alluded to, GM make or break type of risk.

And if we do draft him, when will he be ready to contribute to our current core? I don't think right away, so that means two years of Horford's and IT's (contractual) window gone. As opposed to using the pick to get strong players to help right now.

Man, I'm confused.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: tazzmaniac on November 24, 2016, 09:37:57 PM
As others have said: Huge risk, Huge Reward.

A healthy, cleared Giles would go #1 in this draft unless one of the Internationals somehow does something incredibly extraordinary.

So being able to pick him will depend both on where we pick and how uncertain his prognosis is.

Embiid, projected #1 for most of the year, dropped to #3 becasue of his injuries.
Noel fell to 6th.

I guess best case is that we win the lottery and he looks great and is medically cleared. Both of those events happening seperately are improbable on their own. For both to happen.....well.....so if we have a chance to draft him, there wil most likely be substantial risk involved...as others have alluded to, GM make or break type of risk.

And if we do draft him, when will he be ready to contribute to our current core? I don't think right away, so that means two years of Horford's and IT's (contractual) window gone. As opposed to using the pick to get strong players to help right now.

Man, I'm confused.
It is pretty straightforward.  If Ainge can use the pick to get a star, he should do it.  Otherwise he should use the pick to take the BPA regardless of position. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 24, 2016, 09:41:42 PM
Nerlins is ok so far with his ACL
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: mr. dee on November 25, 2016, 12:16:53 AM
As others have said: Huge risk, Huge Reward.

A healthy, cleared Giles would go #1 in this draft unless one of the Internationals somehow does something incredibly extraordinary.

So being able to pick him will depend both on where we pick and how uncertain his prognosis is.

Embiid, projected #1 for most of the year, dropped to #3 becasue of his injuries.
Noel fell to 6th.

I guess best case is that we win the lottery and he looks great and is medically cleared. Both of those events happening seperately are improbable on their own. For both to happen.....well.....so if we have a chance to draft him, there wil most likely be substantial risk involved...as others have alluded to, GM make or break type of risk.

And if we do draft him, when will he be ready to contribute to our current core? I don't think right away, so that means two years of Horford's and IT's (contractual) window gone. As opposed to using the pick to get strong players to help right now.

Man, I'm confused.

The Celtics can still contend while rehabbing/developing Giles off the bench. And this is why taking him can be an advantage for both parties. Giles will not be forced to play heavy minutes while learning Brad's system. By the time he's completely healthy, he will be ready to contribute because he already grasp what Stevens is scheming. He can be the heir apparent to Horford as the team's rim protector, similar to Duncan-Robinson.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: max215 on November 25, 2016, 12:18:02 AM
If the medical staff feels comfortable with him, then you take him and don't think twice. Just look at Philly right now.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 25, 2016, 12:25:39 AM
None of us can pretend that we understand Harry Giles' health situation, specifically relating to his last knee surgery. The doctors that are paid to fix him will give him a schedule to rehab and when he's healthy he can play. I'm not going to assume that he will continue to get hurt, just because he has gotten hurt in the past. Plenty of athletes recover from ACL injuries. As a pick to a cover a need for the Celtics, Harry Giles is #1 in my eyes over Fultz.

Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: KG Living Legend on November 25, 2016, 02:17:07 AM
You went overboard with the fultz comment, Now way do you take Giles over him. He looks special and his knees are great , And I'm qualified to talk about Harry's knees, if he plays all year without problems and Danny says they're good then let's roll Harry.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: chambers on November 25, 2016, 08:09:02 AM
I think if he's there at #3 or #4 with our Nets pick then he's going to be the guy. Danny is a gambler. Our medical staff will look at him and present Danny with the risk.

I think he's just too gifted to pass up- as long as he returns to his previous form before the newest injury- whilst playing at Duke if he plays like High school he's arguably going #1.

So yeah, he's our guy if he passes our medical test and Danny's judgement.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: chambers on November 25, 2016, 08:11:32 AM
I will add that it's an amazing feeling to think if we get a top 3 pick we are guaranteed one of:
-Giles
-Smith Jr
-Fultz
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 25, 2016, 09:45:28 AM
Don't his knees scare you, they should.

1st injury
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/prepzone/basketball/top-recruit-harry-giles-iii-facing-knee-surgery/article_37fac41a-d864-11e2-9137-0019bb30f31a.html

2nd injury
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/top-prospect-harry-giles-suffers-second-severe-knee-injury-165947567.html

this year

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dukes-harry-giles-has-successful-knee-surgery-could-miss-start-of-year/
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: triboy16f on November 25, 2016, 10:21:57 AM
Don't his knees scare you, they should.

1st injury
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/prepzone/basketball/top-recruit-harry-giles-iii-facing-knee-surgery/article_37fac41a-d864-11e2-9137-0019bb30f31a.html

2nd injury
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/top-prospect-harry-giles-suffers-second-severe-knee-injury-165947567.html

this year

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/dukes-harry-giles-has-successful-knee-surgery-could-miss-start-of-year/

Scares me... And plus even if considered healthy , he prob cant "push" it
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: green_bballers13 on November 25, 2016, 10:37:05 AM
You went overboard with the fultz comment, Now way do you take Giles over him. He looks special and his knees are great , And I'm qualified to talk about Harry's knees, if he plays all year without problems and Danny says they're good then let's roll Harry.

Were you referring to me? How is there no way that you take Giles over Fultz?

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2016/order/true

If Giles is healthy, that isn't a wild statement, at all.

And please explain to me how you are qualified to talk about Harry's knees. Even if you were an orthopedic surgeon, I'm guessing you haven't looked inside Harry's knees. Injuries are not uniform- they vary. Some people bounce right back from ACL tears, and others take a while or never recover.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: GreenShooter on December 14, 2016, 09:00:32 AM
Coach K says Harry Giles likely to make debut on December 19th. They have 2 cupcakes next week before conference games start so he'll get some minutes. I wish this kid the best but one can't help but be concerned about his numerous knee surgeries, even though this last one wasn't all that serious.
Are there examples of potential star players that had knee issues (as in more than one) in HS and/or college yet turned out to be quality or better NBA players. I really like this kid and he'd be a great pick-up, but...........
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on December 14, 2016, 09:06:43 AM

I feel like Giles is a risk worth taking. If he does turn out to be a star, we have ourselves a monster down low who can grab 15 boards a night and protect the rim. If he doesn't, we bring back the croatian beast Mr. Zizic and he can help us down low, and we can look at the 2018 draft to find a gem. Plus if you look at Embiid and Noel they are turning out just fine.
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For now. Embiid is on minutes restriction and Noel JUST came back from injury and injured himself again.

They are not Oden but they certainty are not 100% healthy. Let me know in 3 years how many games a year these guy average and if MPG goes near 30.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: walker834 on December 14, 2016, 09:34:03 AM
Two knocks on Giles are injury concerns and his personality I also question how tough and smart he is.  I'd love to find the next KG or Russell but Giles is not reminiscent of them in that regard.  He seems to fit the whole LA persona moreso.  Could just be a nice kid who's game does the talking though. 

Isaac is healthy and seems to play with an edge although I more question his upside.  He reminds me more of a better Walter McCarty then Russell or KG.

Either way we really could use a pf because Amir is toast and not being utilized at all and KO really is just an occasional scorer at this point.

Otherwise we are looking at trading for one or moving Horford there.

I'm not big on this year's big man crop althoug there are a couple intriquing pf's with upside.

Mickey has also not stepped to the forefront.  We have Yabulele stashed and seems like the C's are ok with going with  PF by committee right now.

With our bench and the way the nba is now it makes sense but it also hasn't really turned into wins because we are playing 4 on 5 most nights and lack that extra guy. Whether it's because of a lack of a star outside of  Isaiah and Horford or it's our starting 5 when we go with smart.  It's the same result.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: vjcsmoke on December 16, 2016, 08:55:38 PM
Well if the pick is Harry Giles, our rebounding issues are definitely solved judging by the scouting reports.  He has legit length with that 7'3 reach to protect the rim and rebound.  16.0 rebound per 40?  yeah that would help a lot.

A lot would come down to the doctor's report on his medicals.  If he's healthy he could be just what we need at the 5.  If he's not healthy, he could be the next Greg Oden.....
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: GreenShooter on December 20, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Giles played last night, albeit a few minutes. Time to start tracking Duke and their loaded roster.

Also, the more I see Kennard the more I hope we can land him late 1st/early 2nd. He would make a great scorer/shooter off the bench.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: OHCeltic on December 20, 2016, 01:27:52 PM
I don't want a guy with 2 or 3 knee surgeries. We would roast Ainge for drafting a guy that is injury prone.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on December 20, 2016, 04:27:26 PM
First let me say that I need to see how he bounces back before I make a true decision but based on the games that I have went back to watch. Have had to really think about what games he actually played in, I find it hard to pass on this kid if he is at 3 or 4. There is just too much to work with with this kid. A forward tandem of Giles and Brown could be really good on both ends of the floor.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: otherdave on January 05, 2017, 11:22:13 AM
Harry is starting to shake the rust off.  Started last night against Georgia Tech.  17 minutes, 10 points, 12 rebounds (7 O, 5 D).  Playing 5 on 5 is slowly coming back to him.  Defense coming back slower than offense.  Playing with brace on left knee (soph yr surgery & scope this fall on that knee)
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Evantime34 on January 05, 2017, 11:47:33 AM
Harry is starting to shake the rust off.  Started last night against Georgia Tech.  17 minutes, 10 points, 12 rebounds (7 O, 5 D).  Playing 5 on 5 is slowly coming back to him.  Defense coming back slower than offense.  Playing with brace on left knee (soph yr surgery & scope this fall on that knee)
I'd love it if he plays like the #1 player in the class and passed his medical tests. He would fit well with the roster we currently have, if we selected a pg or a sf I think we would have to make roster changes.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: triboy16f on January 05, 2017, 11:50:37 AM
Looking good
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on January 05, 2017, 11:52:17 AM
Frequently and liberal application of WD 40 to his knees ought to do the trick.  Let's do it.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Phantom255x on January 05, 2017, 12:29:40 PM
I'm really rooting for Giles.. only because while Fultz and Ball are obviously top in this class currently... I just don't want this team to continue drafting guards lol.

Yeah, Yeah, "you idiot, you're supposed to draft by BPA.. not position by need".

But I like this guard lineup of IT/Bradley/Smart, and Giles, IF healthy (big IF), would fill a huge need for us. He also had a good game yesterday in 17 minutes of action (easing in).

We'll see what happens. I'm not against Fultz or Ball at all, but adding Giles would make it so much easier on this team. Otherwise, you have tough decisions to make at the guard position and such..
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: saltlover on January 05, 2017, 12:32:38 PM
I'd like Giles to be considered no better than the 5th best prospect.  That way when the lottery inevitably doesn't go our way we can still pick the player who could be the best fit.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 05, 2017, 12:39:19 PM
I having a really hard time passing on this guy assuming his knees check out. His offense is raw even when healthy but this kid checks off so many boxes for me. Lateral quickness, rebounding, offensive rebounding, ability to run the floor, rebound in traffic, weakside shot blocker, PnR D, above average offensive game.

I know he is a risk but its very hard for me to not take this guy based upon what he did after his other rehab.

I would love to be in Philly's spot right now because I think there is an off chance Giles could fall to around where the Lakers are projected to pick.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 05, 2017, 12:58:37 PM
Im not sure what you consider as going our way. I consider it top 4. In my perfect world the Cs end up at 1 and Philly gets 3 and 7 and desperately wants Fultz. Would really put this team in a great position.



I'd like Giles to be considered no better than the 5th best prospect.  That way when the lottery inevitably doesn't go our way we can still pick the player who could be the best fit.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: CelticGuardian on January 05, 2017, 01:05:16 PM
Im not sure what you consider as going our way. I consider it top 4. In my perfect world the Cs end up at 1 and Philly gets 3 and 7 and desperately wants Fultz. Would really put this team in a great position.



I'd like Giles to be considered no better than the 5th best prospect.  That way when the lottery inevitably doesn't go our way we can still pick the player who could be the best fit.

dude that would be awesome, I'm holding out hope on that #1 pick though. I think Philly will still have to add something to that trade if it is #1.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 05, 2017, 01:25:27 PM
Im not sure they would. Its not like 1 is considered to be Davis or Town or a player like that. My premise is that if I could get Tatum and Giles you can trade away all the rest of those picks even the 18 for something.

Im not sure what you consider as going our way. I consider it top 4. In my perfect world the Cs end up at 1 and Philly gets 3 and 7 and desperately wants Fultz. Would really put this team in a great position.



I'd like Giles to be considered no better than the 5th best prospect.  That way when the lottery inevitably doesn't go our way we can still pick the player who could be the best fit.

dude that would be awesome, I'm holding out hope on that #1 pick though. I think Philly will still have to add something to that trade if it is #1.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: CelticGuardian on January 05, 2017, 01:56:49 PM
Im not sure they would. Its not like 1 is considered to be Davis or Town or a player like that. My premise is that if I could get Tatum and Giles you can trade away all the rest of those picks even the 18 for something.

Im not sure what you consider as going our way. I consider it top 4. In my perfect world the Cs end up at 1 and Philly gets 3 and 7 and desperately wants Fultz. Would really put this team in a great position.



I'd like Giles to be considered no better than the 5th best prospect.  That way when the lottery inevitably doesn't go our way we can still pick the player who could be the best fit.

dude that would be awesome, I'm holding out hope on that #1 pick though. I think Philly will still have to add something to that trade if it is #1.

That can be a better haul than just Fultz. then we can add another big in the 2018 draft. A future core lineup of Smart/Brown/Tatum/Giles/Ayton!?... it's gonna get spooky here in Beantown.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Bostoncelticsforlife7 on January 05, 2017, 03:45:37 PM
I'm glad someone bumped this thread up. I was watching the game and Jay Bilas said he could go as far as his talent takes him and that he could still be the number 1 pick, IF the team doctors clear him.

Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: tankcity! on January 05, 2017, 03:47:37 PM
He looked really good on the highlights I saw. It's very tempting to draft him, but we should resist at all costs because of his injury.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 05, 2017, 03:52:24 PM
Im not trying to go with a youth movement. I just want to establish 3 young players that I can build around. I do look at Smart but in a different way. More of the DJ to the Big 3. I would trade that 18 pick in a heartbeat.

If the Cs landed at 1 and Philly landed at 3 & 7. I would trade the 1 plus players for 3 & 7 and flip 7 plus next years Brooklyn plus other picks and players for a star.

I dont like the 18 draft at all so far. At least not enough where I wouldnt cash in that chip for any pick plus players 1 - 9 in this draft


Im not sure they would. Its not like 1 is considered to be Davis or Town or a player like that. My premise is that if I could get Tatum and Giles you can trade away all the rest of those picks even the 18 for something.

Im not sure what you consider as going our way. I consider it top 4. In my perfect world the Cs end up at 1 and Philly gets 3 and 7 and desperately wants Fultz. Would really put this team in a great position.



I'd like Giles to be considered no better than the 5th best prospect.  That way when the lottery inevitably doesn't go our way we can still pick the player who could be the best fit.

dude that would be awesome, I'm holding out hope on that #1 pick though. I think Philly will still have to add something to that trade if it is #1.

That can be a better haul than just Fultz. then we can add another big in the 2018 draft. A future core lineup of Smart/Brown/Tatum/Giles/Ayton!?... it's gonna get spooky here in Beantown.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: max215 on January 05, 2017, 04:01:02 PM
He's a perfect fit and a supreme talent. If his knees check out, there will be no reason not to pick him.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 05, 2017, 04:38:55 PM
Talented but fragile, his knees scare me quite a bit.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 05, 2017, 04:43:04 PM
Talented but fragile, his knees scare me quite a bit.

This ......why I'm a Fultz guy .
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 05, 2017, 05:18:12 PM
Im more on the Tatum line than Fultz although I like both.


Talented but fragile, his knees scare me quite a bit.

This ......why I'm a Fultz guy .
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 05, 2017, 05:49:53 PM
it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: mmmmm on January 05, 2017, 06:20:23 PM
If Danny's medical staff truly trusts Giles knees to be 100% sound, then I'll trust them.

But if there is even the slightest doubt about how well they look for the long run, I just can't myself see gambling what is almost certainly a top 5 pick on him.

I know that many fans here yearn for a stud big man talent because it has been, like, forever since we had one.   But Danny has to draft for best player available, not need.  And best player available has to take into account health and long term prognosis.

Also, folks might want to remind themselves that in addition to whomever we pick with the Nets pick, we will also be bringing Yabusele and Zizic on board next year.

Zizic is a similar style of player to Giles:  He's a long, energetic and athletic big who plays in the post on both ends, grabs every rebound, can run the floor and finish above the rim.

Heck, folks should consider that Zizic only just turned 20 yesterday, is slightly taller and longer than Giles (7'0", 7' 3" wingspan, 9' 3" standing reach) and already big enough to play C in the NBA (~260 lbs of muscle). 

I'm not dumb enough to say that Zizic has the same upside as a fully healthy Giles would have, but we just don't know if Giles will be able to reach that upside anymore.   

The main point though, is if the 'need' that folks want to address with this pick is to add a talented young 7 footer who can finally fill the role of athletic, long, rebounding low-post big man, they should remember that we already have one guy slated for that role next year.

Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 05, 2017, 07:23:35 PM
I dont look at Zizic in this equation because they are different type of players. Giles is more like KG. Not as skilled and no Im not saying that's his upside. Im saying that in terms of face up games, long with an attitude they are similar.

I dont like Giles because he is a big. I like Giles because he changes the dynamic of his team from a straight dribble handoff team to a team that can play at the elbows. Run weakside lobs. A guy who can roll to the rim and finish with authority.

The stating line up is very limited to me which I think shows up in the 4th quarter of every game hence IT getting virtually every shot attempt.


If Danny's medical staff truly trusts Giles knees to be 100% sound, then I'll trust them.

But if there is even the slightest doubt about how well they look for the long run, I just can't myself see gambling what is almost certainly a top 5 pick on him.

I know that many fans here yearn for a stud big man talent because it has been, like, forever since we had one.   But Danny has to draft for best player available, not need.  And best player available has to take into account health and long term prognosis.

Also, folks might want to remind themselves that in addition to whomever we pick with the Nets pick, we will also be bringing Yabusele and Zizic on board next year.

Zizic is a similar style of player to Giles:  He's a long, energetic and athletic big who plays in the post on both ends, grabs every rebound, can run the floor and finish above the rim.

Heck, folks should consider that Zizic only just turned 20 yesterday, is slightly taller and longer than Giles (7'0", 7' 3" wingspan, 9' 3" standing reach) and already big enough to play C in the NBA (~260 lbs of muscle). 

I'm not dumb enough to say that Zizic has the same upside as a fully healthy Giles would have, but we just don't know if Giles will be able to reach that upside anymore.   

The main point though, is if the 'need' that folks want to address with this pick is to add a talented young 7 footer who can finally fill the role of athletic, long, rebounding low-post big man, they should remember that we already have one guy slated for that role next year.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: mmmmm on January 06, 2017, 02:35:59 PM
I dont look at Zizic in this equation because they are different type of players. Giles is more like KG. Not as skilled and no Im not saying that's his upside. Im saying that in terms of face up games, long with an attitude they are similar.

I dont like Giles because he is a big. I like Giles because he changes the dynamic of his team from a straight dribble handoff team to a team that can play at the elbows. Run weakside lobs. A guy who can roll to the rim and finish with authority.

The stating line up is very limited to me which I think shows up in the 4th quarter of every game hence IT getting virtually every shot attempt.


If Danny's medical staff truly trusts Giles knees to be 100% sound, then I'll trust them.

But if there is even the slightest doubt about how well they look for the long run, I just can't myself see gambling what is almost certainly a top 5 pick on him.

I know that many fans here yearn for a stud big man talent because it has been, like, forever since we had one.   But Danny has to draft for best player available, not need.  And best player available has to take into account health and long term prognosis.

Also, folks might want to remind themselves that in addition to whomever we pick with the Nets pick, we will also be bringing Yabusele and Zizic on board next year.

Zizic is a similar style of player to Giles:  He's a long, energetic and athletic big who plays in the post on both ends, grabs every rebound, can run the floor and finish above the rim.

Heck, folks should consider that Zizic only just turned 20 yesterday, is slightly taller and longer than Giles (7'0", 7' 3" wingspan, 9' 3" standing reach) and already big enough to play C in the NBA (~260 lbs of muscle). 

I'm not dumb enough to say that Zizic has the same upside as a fully healthy Giles would have, but we just don't know if Giles will be able to reach that upside anymore.   

The main point though, is if the 'need' that folks want to address with this pick is to add a talented young 7 footer who can finally fill the role of athletic, long, rebounding low-post big man, they should remember that we already have one guy slated for that role next year.

1) I think it is a mistake to draft based on perceived needs of the current starting lineup.   No rookie we add next year is going to be a major contributor to the starting lineup for some time.
2) I've seen no indication that Giles has anything like the mid-range shooting skill of Kevin Garnett, which was a powerful part of his offensive repertoire.  KG was also an incredibly skilled back-to-the-basket post-up freak that turned defenders into pretzels.   Other than length and athleticism, I'm not seeing the similarity on offense you seem to see between Giles and KG.

Both Giles and Zizic operate primarily as pick & roll, "rollers", and baseline clean-up artists, getting almost all their points within a few feet of the basket.   If you think Zizic doesn't roll to the hoop, you haven't spent any time watching him.   Giles is a quicker, more vertically explosive player near the hoop, but Zizic isn't a slug and what he may lack in quicks he more than makes up in raw power.  Both are very natural with their footwork around the hoop, but at least at this point, Zizic is more experienced and more skilled.   That's not really a knock on Giles -- he simply hasn't played nearly as much over the last couple years and Zizic has been playing pro-ball, rather than school boys.

Giles quickness and grace teases that he has an incredible upside that may be well beyond what one has a right to expect out of Zizic.   But my point has simply been that you can't ignore the risk involved with his knees that could prevent him from ever reaching that upside and that Zizic presents a more-than-nice 'consolation' rookie big man to be adding next Fall that we don't even have to expend a draft pick on.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: footey on January 06, 2017, 02:44:47 PM
it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 06, 2017, 11:11:37 PM
They are similar in that they are face up bigs with smaller frames that are very athletic. What GIles has shown at Duke in terms of a face up game is not what he has shown in the past. Im not sure what Zizic has to do with anything. Im taking the highest upside player if his knees check out and Tatum is off the board.

IN terms of basing the picks on the starters, I mention the starters because they are limited in their ability however they are solid players. There is a clear need for more dynamic players at almost all positions.

I dont look at Zizic in this equation because they are different type of players. Giles is more like KG. Not as skilled and no Im not saying that's his upside. Im saying that in terms of face up games, long with an attitude they are similar.

I dont like Giles because he is a big. I like Giles because he changes the dynamic of his team from a straight dribble handoff team to a team that can play at the elbows. Run weakside lobs. A guy who can roll to the rim and finish with authority.

The stating line up is very limited to me which I think shows up in the 4th quarter of every game hence IT getting virtually every shot attempt.


If Danny's medical staff truly trusts Giles knees to be 100% sound, then I'll trust them.

But if there is even the slightest doubt about how well they look for the long run, I just can't myself see gambling what is almost certainly a top 5 pick on him.

I know that many fans here yearn for a stud big man talent because it has been, like, forever since we had one.   But Danny has to draft for best player available, not need.  And best player available has to take into account health and long term prognosis.

Also, folks might want to remind themselves that in addition to whomever we pick with the Nets pick, we will also be bringing Yabusele and Zizic on board next year.

Zizic is a similar style of player to Giles:  He's a long, energetic and athletic big who plays in the post on both ends, grabs every rebound, can run the floor and finish above the rim.

Heck, folks should consider that Zizic only just turned 20 yesterday, is slightly taller and longer than Giles (7'0", 7' 3" wingspan, 9' 3" standing reach) and already big enough to play C in the NBA (~260 lbs of muscle). 

I'm not dumb enough to say that Zizic has the same upside as a fully healthy Giles would have, but we just don't know if Giles will be able to reach that upside anymore.   

The main point though, is if the 'need' that folks want to address with this pick is to add a talented young 7 footer who can finally fill the role of athletic, long, rebounding low-post big man, they should remember that we already have one guy slated for that role next year.

1) I think it is a mistake to draft based on perceived needs of the current starting lineup.   No rookie we add next year is going to be a major contributor to the starting lineup for some time.
2) I've seen no indication that Giles has anything like the mid-range shooting skill of Kevin Garnett, which was a powerful part of his offensive repertoire.  KG was also an incredibly skilled back-to-the-basket post-up freak that turned defenders into pretzels.   Other than length and athleticism, I'm not seeing the similarity on offense you seem to see between Giles and KG.

Both Giles and Zizic operate primarily as pick & roll, "rollers", and baseline clean-up artists, getting almost all their points within a few feet of the basket.   If you think Zizic doesn't roll to the hoop, you haven't spent any time watching him.   Giles is a quicker, more vertically explosive player near the hoop, but Zizic isn't a slug and what he may lack in quicks he more than makes up in raw power.  Both are very natural with their footwork around the hoop, but at least at this point, Zizic is more experienced and more skilled.   That's not really a knock on Giles -- he simply hasn't played nearly as much over the last couple years and Zizic has been playing pro-ball, rather than school boys.

Giles quickness and grace teases that he has an incredible upside that may be well beyond what one has a right to expect out of Zizic.   But my point has simply been that you can't ignore the risk involved with his knees that could prevent him from ever reaching that upside and that Zizic presents a more-than-nice 'consolation' rookie big man to be adding next Fall that we don't even have to expend a draft pick on.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 06, 2017, 11:13:55 PM
Im not sure these are similar. Powe ended up being a below the rim player when he took him. He never had a chance at Roy so that certainly is not an example. Roy also had a degenitive knee disorder which so far is not the case with GIles


it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: mr. dee on January 06, 2017, 11:16:51 PM
it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.

Roy was one pick ahead of Danny's reach. And as great as Roy was when healthy, I'm glad we dodge a bullet right there.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: saltlover on January 06, 2017, 11:21:46 PM
it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.

Roy was one pick ahead of Danny's reach. And as great as Roy was when healthy, I'm glad we dodge a bullet right there.

Not completely true.  Danny traded the pick to Portland, which picked Foye and swapped him for Roy straight up.  Minnesota was willing to slide down one spot for nothing -- surely if Ainge had kept the pick instead of trading it he could have done the same.
 
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 06, 2017, 11:37:07 PM
You assume that but again its not accurate. Angie never had a shot at Roy so if you want to be mad at him be mad at him for Roye not Roy

it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.

Roy was one pick ahead of Danny's reach. And as great as Roy was when healthy, I'm glad we dodge a bullet right there.

Not completely true.  Danny traded the pick to Portland, which picked Foye and swapped him for Roy straight up.  Minnesota was willing to slide down one spot for nothing -- surely if Ainge had kept the pick instead of trading it he could have done the same.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: alewilliam789 on January 06, 2017, 11:52:17 PM
I understand the thirstiness for a big man on this Celtics squad, but unless we end up with the 5th or 6th pick I wouldn't even scout the guy. There are too many elite prospects at the top that are game changers in their own right. Who cares what position they play.

3 ACL injuries in as many years is scary and is asking for a bust.

I'd be happier with Ivan Rabb who has shown he has just as much athleticism, more skill,no injury risk, and has stretched his range out to the 3.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: saltlover on January 06, 2017, 11:54:36 PM
You assume that but again its not accurate. Angie never had a shot at Roy so if you want to be mad at him be mad at him for Roye not Roy

it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.

Roy was one pick ahead of Danny's reach. And as great as Roy was when healthy, I'm glad we dodge a bullet right there.

Not completely true.  Danny traded the pick to Portland, which picked Foye and swapped him for Roy straight up.  Minnesota was willing to slide down one spot for nothing -- surely if Ainge had kept the pick instead of trading it he could have done the same.

If Ainge "never had a shot" at Roy, and wanted him, then he screwed up.  Because Roy was traded straight up for the Celtics pick immediately after the pick was announced.  All he had to do was call
up Minnesota and say "want to swap spots?" and it would have been done, apparently (as that's what Portland did.)

Also, can you please be like every other poster here and respond under the prior comment rather than over.  It's a pain reading your comments otherwise.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 07, 2017, 10:33:35 AM
I understand the thirstiness for a big man on this Celtics squad, but unless we end up with the 5th or 6th pick I wouldn't even scout the guy. There are too many elite prospects at the top that are game changers in their own right. Who cares what position they play.

3 ACL injuries in as many years is scary and is asking for a bust.

I'd be happier with Ivan Rabb who has shown he has just as much athleticism, more skill,no injury risk, and has stretched his range out to the 3.

And that would be a mistake. I cant speak for other people but my interest in him has very little to do with being a big. This team struggles to score anywhere near the rim. Their style gets very stagnant. It took them 19 3s last night to barely win a game.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: BitterJim on January 07, 2017, 10:36:28 AM
I understand the thirstiness for a big man on this Celtics squad, but unless we end up with the 5th or 6th pick I wouldn't even scout the guy. There are too many elite prospects at the top that are game changers in their own right. Who cares what position they play.

3 ACL injuries in as many years is scary and is asking for a bust.

I'd be happier with Ivan Rabb who has shown he has just as much athleticism, more skill,no injury risk, and has stretched his range out to the 3.

And that is how you end up turning down 4 firsts to move down 7 slots, and then draft Frank Kaminsky
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 07, 2017, 10:36:51 AM
You assume that but again its not accurate. Angie never had a shot at Roy so if you want to be mad at him be mad at him for Roye not Roy

it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.

Roy was one pick ahead of Danny's reach. And as great as Roy was when healthy, I'm glad we dodge a bullet right there.

Not completely true.  Danny traded the pick to Portland, which picked Foye and swapped him for Roy straight up.  Minnesota was willing to slide down one spot for nothing -- surely if Ainge had kept the pick instead of trading it he could have done the same.

If Ainge "never had a shot" at Roy, and wanted him, then he screwed up.  Because Roy was traded straight up for the Celtics pick immediately after the pick was announced.  All he had to do was call
up Minnesota and say "want to swap spots?" and it would have been done, apparently (as that's what Portland did.)

Also, can you please be like every other poster here and respond under the prior comment rather than over.  It's a pain reading your comments otherwise.  Thanks!

Again this is stupid. Roy had a degenerative knee disorder and was picked before Ainge picked. They are not the same issue. You are making up situations that you have no fact of even being available.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: Smitty77 on January 07, 2017, 10:41:03 AM
I think we need to hold onto this pick until we are sure that we have a top 3 pick or a 1 or 2 after the ping pong balls and then trade this pick to the highest bidder.

We simply do NOT need more guards and swings.

Trade it for a REAL starting center!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: BitterJim on January 07, 2017, 10:50:44 AM
You assume that but again its not accurate. Angie never had a shot at Roy so if you want to be mad at him be mad at him for Roye not Roy

it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.

Roy was one pick ahead of Danny's reach. And as great as Roy was when healthy, I'm glad we dodge a bullet right there.

Not completely true.  Danny traded the pick to Portland, which picked Foye and swapped him for Roy straight up.  Minnesota was willing to slide down one spot for nothing -- surely if Ainge had kept the pick instead of trading it he could have done the same.

If Ainge "never had a shot" at Roy, and wanted him, then he screwed up.  Because Roy was traded straight up for the Celtics pick immediately after the pick was announced.  All he had to do was call
up Minnesota and say "want to swap spots?" and it would have been done, apparently (as that's what Portland did.)

Also, can you please be like every other poster here and respond under the prior comment rather than over.  It's a pain reading your comments otherwise.  Thanks!

Again this is stupid. Roy had a degenerative knee disorder and was picked before Ainge picked. They are not the same issue. You are making up situations that you have no fact of even being available.

He's not making up the fact that the 6th pick (Brandon Roy) was traded for the 7th pick (Randy Foye) straight up. Look it up, that happened. There's no reason to think that, if Danny had wanted to, he couldn't have done the same trade that Portland did (literally the exact same trade)

Or do you think that the Timberwolves would only make that trade with Portland (a team in their division), but not Boston (a team in the other conference)? Keep in mind this was pre-KG trade and McHale was the GM in Minnesota
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 07, 2017, 11:12:54 AM
You assume that but again its not accurate. Angie never had a shot at Roy so if you want to be mad at him be mad at him for Roye not Roy

it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.

Roy was one pick ahead of Danny's reach. And as great as Roy was when healthy, I'm glad we dodge a bullet right there.

Not completely true.  Danny traded the pick to Portland, which picked Foye and swapped him for Roy straight up.  Minnesota was willing to slide down one spot for nothing -- surely if Ainge had kept the pick instead of trading it he could have done the same.

If Ainge "never had a shot" at Roy, and wanted him, then he screwed up.  Because Roy was traded straight up for the Celtics pick immediately after the pick was announced.  All he had to do was call
up Minnesota and say "want to swap spots?" and it would have been done, apparently (as that's what Portland did.)

Also, can you please be like every other poster here and respond under the prior comment rather than over.  It's a pain reading your comments otherwise.  Thanks!

Again this is stupid. Roy had a degenerative knee disorder and was picked before Ainge picked. They are not the same issue. You are making up situations that you have no fact of even being available.

He's not making up the fact that the 6th pick (Brandon Roy) was traded for the 7th pick (Randy Foye) straight up. Look it up, that happened. There's no reason to think that, if Danny had wanted to, he couldn't have done the same trade that Portland did (literally the exact same trade)

Or do you think that the Timberwolves would only make that trade with Portland (a team in their division), but not Boston (a team in the other conference)? Keep in mind this was pre-KG trade and McHale was the GM in Minnesota

Who said that he was making up that fact? Roy went 6th Roye went 7th. Ainge had the 7th pick thus not having the chance to take him. You can assume that he could have made the trade but you dont know that. You dont know the timeline of those deals. Never has the timeline of those deals come out.

It doesnt really matter who McHale would have done deals with. Obviously if the deal was offered to Ainge then he didnt like the deal. Maybe the fact that Roy had a degenerative knee disorder had something to do with it. Everyone who wants to argue with me seems to be totally dismissing this fact. Giles has had ACL surgeries and we dont have any reports on his knees being in the same condition as Roy's.

If you can show me anywhere where it says that deal was offered to Ainge and he turned it down then I will gladly say you were correct and I am totally wrong.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: BitterJim on January 07, 2017, 11:46:45 AM
You assume that but again its not accurate. Angie never had a shot at Roy so if you want to be mad at him be mad at him for Roye not Roy

it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.

Roy was one pick ahead of Danny's reach. And as great as Roy was when healthy, I'm glad we dodge a bullet right there.

Not completely true.  Danny traded the pick to Portland, which picked Foye and swapped him for Roy straight up.  Minnesota was willing to slide down one spot for nothing -- surely if Ainge had kept the pick instead of trading it he could have done the same.

If Ainge "never had a shot" at Roy, and wanted him, then he screwed up.  Because Roy was traded straight up for the Celtics pick immediately after the pick was announced.  All he had to do was call
up Minnesota and say "want to swap spots?" and it would have been done, apparently (as that's what Portland did.)

Also, can you please be like every other poster here and respond under the prior comment rather than over.  It's a pain reading your comments otherwise.  Thanks!

Again this is stupid. Roy had a degenerative knee disorder and was picked before Ainge picked. They are not the same issue. You are making up situations that you have no fact of even being available.

He's not making up the fact that the 6th pick (Brandon Roy) was traded for the 7th pick (Randy Foye) straight up. Look it up, that happened. There's no reason to think that, if Danny had wanted to, he couldn't have done the same trade that Portland did (literally the exact same trade)

Or do you think that the Timberwolves would only make that trade with Portland (a team in their division), but not Boston (a team in the other conference)? Keep in mind this was pre-KG trade and McHale was the GM in Minnesota

Who said that he was making up that fact? Roy went 6th Roye went 7th. Ainge had the 7th pick thus not having the chance to take him. You can assume that he could have made the trade but you dont know that. You dont know the timeline of those deals. Never has the timeline of those deals come out.

It doesnt really matter who McHale would have done deals with. Obviously if the deal was offered to Ainge then he didnt like the deal. Maybe the fact that Roy had a degenerative knee disorder had something to do with it. Everyone who wants to argue with me seems to be totally dismissing this fact. Giles has had ACL surgeries and we dont have any reports on his knees being in the same condition as Roy's.

If you can show me anywhere where it says that deal was offered to Ainge and he turned it down then I will gladly say you were correct and I am totally wrong.

Not a single person here has said that Ainge would have taken Roy. What we're currently arguing is you saying "You assume that but again its not accurate. Ainge never had a shot at Roy" after saltlover said that he did have a shot at Roy (and it certainly seems like he did)

And I'm not saying that he definitely had that deal offered to him, I'm just refuting your stance that it definitely wasn't and that "Ainge never had a shot at Roy"
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: GetLucky on January 07, 2017, 12:08:32 PM
Giles reminds me of Chris Webber, my favorite player of the early-2000s, without the extracurricular problems. If his knees check out, I'd love for the Celtics to draft him.

He's #1 on my personal big board, mostly because I see something special in him. I know that's not super-scientific, but guys like Ball and Tatum just don't do it for me. I haven't seen a lot of Fultz yet.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 07, 2017, 12:34:51 PM
You assume that but again its not accurate. Angie never had a shot at Roy so if you want to be mad at him be mad at him for Roye not Roy

it is really hard to say much with any confidence and authority, given giles' limited playing time so far. but....if his knees are healthy, he looks to be the #1 pick. the kid seems to have real talent.

His knee surgeries make it highly unlikely he will be the number one pick, even if he puts up Embiid numbers, and given the high regard for Fultz.

But I love the kid and would take him at 1, or trade down to take him and get some extra juice.

However, Danny may balk, for a couple of reasons:  Leon Powe (how quickly he went out of league) and Brandon Roy.  Danny didn't take Roy in '05 draft (or was it '06?) because of his knee concerns.

Roy was one pick ahead of Danny's reach. And as great as Roy was when healthy, I'm glad we dodge a bullet right there.

Not completely true.  Danny traded the pick to Portland, which picked Foye and swapped him for Roy straight up.  Minnesota was willing to slide down one spot for nothing -- surely if Ainge had kept the pick instead of trading it he could have done the same.

If Ainge "never had a shot" at Roy, and wanted him, then he screwed up.  Because Roy was traded straight up for the Celtics pick immediately after the pick was announced.  All he had to do was call
up Minnesota and say "want to swap spots?" and it would have been done, apparently (as that's what Portland did.)

Also, can you please be like every other poster here and respond under the prior comment rather than over.  It's a pain reading your comments otherwise.  Thanks!

Again this is stupid. Roy had a degenerative knee disorder and was picked before Ainge picked. They are not the same issue. You are making up situations that you have no fact of even being available.

He's not making up the fact that the 6th pick (Brandon Roy) was traded for the 7th pick (Randy Foye) straight up. Look it up, that happened. There's no reason to think that, if Danny had wanted to, he couldn't have done the same trade that Portland did (literally the exact same trade)

Or do you think that the Timberwolves would only make that trade with Portland (a team in their division), but not Boston (a team in the other conference)? Keep in mind this was pre-KG trade and McHale was the GM in Minnesota

Who said that he was making up that fact? Roy went 6th Roye went 7th. Ainge had the 7th pick thus not having the chance to take him. You can assume that he could have made the trade but you dont know that. You dont know the timeline of those deals. Never has the timeline of those deals come out.

It doesnt really matter who McHale would have done deals with. Obviously if the deal was offered to Ainge then he didnt like the deal. Maybe the fact that Roy had a degenerative knee disorder had something to do with it. Everyone who wants to argue with me seems to be totally dismissing this fact. Giles has had ACL surgeries and we dont have any reports on his knees being in the same condition as Roy's.

If you can show me anywhere where it says that deal was offered to Ainge and he turned it down then I will gladly say you were correct and I am totally wrong.

Not a single person here has said that Ainge would have taken Roy. What we're currently arguing is you saying "You assume that but again its not accurate. Ainge never had a shot at Roy" after saltlover said that he did have a shot at Roy (and it certainly seems like he did)

And I'm not saying that he definitely had that deal offered to him, I'm just refuting your stance that it definitely wasn't and that "Ainge never had a shot at Roy"

The original issue was the statement that was that Ainge passed on Roy thus he would not take Giles. I stated that he never passed on Roy because Roy was picked 6th and Ainge had the 7th pick. There is no evidence that Ainge passed on him or that the deal that materialized was before Ainge made the deal with Portland. From my memory his deal was before the Portland Wolves game.
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: mr. dee on January 07, 2017, 11:22:54 PM
Guy is getting better each game. Had an 10/12 against Georgia Tech, followed by 12/5 against Boston College
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: SuddenFame on January 09, 2017, 11:04:31 PM
I know I just made a post about how we need to draft Josh Jackson, but I have changed my mind. I now stand in favor of drafting Harry Giles. He has the potential to be a Deandre Jordan Type rebounder, which would do wonders for our team. He is a versatility defender who can guard the perimeter and protect the rim. He has shown flashes on offense with his post hooks and runners. He is a very good athlete, can finish above the rim, and has a decent mid range jumper. He has great size at 6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan. Watching him rebound with his long body and nose for the ball send shivers of excitement down my spine. I can only imagine how good our team could be with a guy like Giles. Even with all of his injuries I would still take a chance on him, given his insane talent and upside.

Here is his scouting video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoBrMdMfWh4

Giles is like 65 percent kemp and 35 percent horford

Fine prospect but too many injuries.. risky pick
32.5% Kemp, 17.5% Horford, and 50% Oden


Oh snap!
Title: Re: Harry Giles is our guy
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on January 09, 2017, 11:21:41 PM
I've changed my mind (conditionally).  If Harry agrees to adhere strictly to Lebron's PED-protocol, I will welcome him with open arms.  That should negate any possibility of ACL tears, rolled ankles, the common cold, etc.
Title: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: footey on January 17, 2017, 12:43:25 PM
They have him going 18th in latest mock draft.

His recent poor performances since coming back have no doubt concerned scouts.

As of now, it seems unlikely we will be using our Nets pick to draft him.

I still like the guy's athleticism, and would hope we would figure out a way to take him with another pick, maybe the 2 for 1 trade of first round picks with the 76ers. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: mef730 on January 17, 2017, 12:49:08 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: triboy16f on January 17, 2017, 12:51:40 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: saltlover on January 17, 2017, 12:54:06 PM
They have him going 18th in latest mock draft.

His recent poor performances since coming back have no doubt concerned scouts.

As of now, it seems unlikely we will be using our Nets pick to draft him.

I still like the guy's athleticism, and would hope we would figure out a way to take him with another pick, maybe the 2 for 1 trade of first round picks with the 76ers.

I would be very surprised to see Ainge trade down in the draft.  If Ainge is intrigued enough with Giles, I could see him trying to move up to get him (the Minny 2nd and Yab, for example).  But my feeling is Brad doesn't want more than 2-3 rookies to develop per year (which seems pretty reasonable to me, especially considering he'll also have a handful of second and third year players as well), and with at least one of Yab and Zizic coming over next season, and probably both, acquiring a second first round pick in addition to the aforementioned rookies does not seem likely.

Especially if Yab and Zizic do both come over, that'd be three rookie bigs including Giles.  That either necessitates someone being glued to the bench or a lot of rookie mistakes on the defensive inferior.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: boscel33 on January 17, 2017, 12:55:48 PM
nbadraft.net has him at 12 to the knicks.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: nickagneta on January 17, 2017, 12:56:23 PM
I called him this years Skal Labissieri about a month ago and got lectured about how wrong I was. I still stabd by that statement. Giles will go mid to late mid first round
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 17, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
I was thinking this yesterday...

Let's say Philly improbably rallied into the playoffs (they are 6-1 in Embiid's last 7 games and are 13-26 - the same record Boston had two years ago before they went on a run)...

Then, let's assume the Kings stay in the bottom 10.   

Philly has swap-rights with the Kings so they'd get that pick.   How funny would it be if Harry Giles is clearly the best player available with their pick?  Another big man.

Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: Eddie20 on January 17, 2017, 01:20:52 PM
I was thinking this yesterday...

Let's say Philly improbably rallied into the playoffs (they are 6-1 in Embiid's last 7 games and are 13-26 - the same record Boston had two years ago before they went on a run)...

Then, let's assume the Kings stay in the bottom 10.   

Philly has swap-rights with the Kings so they'd get that pick.   How funny would it be if Harry Giles is clearly the best player available with their pick?  Another big man.

Aren't you supposed to be a Celtics fan? If anything, your thoughts should be on how we can trade future picks to take a flyer on Giles. So why are you even thinking about Philly? Why even bring them up in this topic? Let's try to have at least a few threads without Sixers talk on here. If you're not comfortable with that why don't you just post your many Sixers thoughts on an actual Sixers forum?
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: TrueFan on January 17, 2017, 01:32:01 PM
I was thinking this yesterday...

Let's say Philly improbably rallied into the playoffs (they are 6-1 in Embiid's last 7 games and are 13-26 - the same record Boston had two years ago before they went on a run)...

Then, let's assume the Kings stay in the bottom 10.   

Philly has swap-rights with the Kings so they'd get that pick.   How funny would it be if Harry Giles is clearly the best player available with their pick?  Another big man.

Aren't you supposed to be a Celtics fan? If anything, your thoughts should be on how we can trade future picks to take a flyer on Giles. So why are you even thinking about Philly? Why even bring them up in this topic? Let's try to have at least a few threads without Sixers talk on here. If you're not comfortable with that why don't you just post your many Sixers thoughts on an actual Sixers forum?
The Sixers are one of the most interesting stories in the NBA. People like to talk about interesting things. Besides its not cool to act like a boss and tell people what they can or can't talk about on a forum.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: moiso on January 17, 2017, 01:38:14 PM
I was thinking this yesterday...

Let's say Philly improbably rallied into the playoffs (they are 6-1 in Embiid's last 7 games and are 13-26 - the same record Boston had two years ago before they went on a run)...

Then, let's assume the Kings stay in the bottom 10.   

Philly has swap-rights with the Kings so they'd get that pick.   How funny would it be if Harry Giles is clearly the best player available with their pick?  Another big man.

Aren't you supposed to be a Celtics fan? If anything, your thoughts should be on how we can trade future picks to take a flyer on Giles. So why are you even thinking about Philly? Why even bring them up in this topic? Let's try to have at least a few threads without Sixers talk on here. If you're not comfortable with that why don't you just post your many Sixers thoughts on an actual Sixers forum?
The Sixers are one of the most interesting stories in the NBA. People like to talk about interesting things. Besides its not cool to act like a boss and tell people what they can or can't talk about on a forum.
But we should be able to talk about Harry Giles and not have it turn into another Sixers thread. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: CelticGuardian on January 17, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
I called him this years Skal Labissieri about a month ago and got lectured about how wrong I was. I still stabd by that statement. Giles will go mid to late mid first round

Hopefully long gone before the 24th pick. Wouldn't want this guy to be the steal of the draft now..

It seems the NBA already has guys that can do what Giles does, I think the pundits were expecting the development of an outside shot or some type of range but it seems he's just the same bruiser he was in the u19s and the days of the Thomas Robinsons being top 5 picks are over.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: saltlover on January 17, 2017, 01:45:32 PM
I was thinking this yesterday...

Let's say Philly improbably rallied into the playoffs (they are 6-1 in Embiid's last 7 games and are 13-26 - the same record Boston had two years ago before they went on a run)...

Then, let's assume the Kings stay in the bottom 10.   

Philly has swap-rights with the Kings so they'd get that pick.   How funny would it be if Harry Giles is clearly the best player available with their pick?  Another big man.

Aren't you supposed to be a Celtics fan? If anything, your thoughts should be on how we can trade future picks to take a flyer on Giles. So why are you even thinking about Philly? Why even bring them up in this topic? Let's try to have at least a few threads without Sixers talk on here. If you're not comfortable with that why don't you just post your many Sixers thoughts on an actual Sixers forum?
The Sixers are one of the most interesting stories in the NBA. People like to talk about interesting things. Besides its not cool to act like a boss and tell people what they can or can't talk about on a forum.
But we should be able to talk about Harry Giles and not have it turn into another Sixers thread.

Ding ding ding!!!
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: TrueFan on January 17, 2017, 01:49:19 PM
I was thinking this yesterday...

Let's say Philly improbably rallied into the playoffs (they are 6-1 in Embiid's last 7 games and are 13-26 - the same record Boston had two years ago before they went on a run)...

Then, let's assume the Kings stay in the bottom 10.   

Philly has swap-rights with the Kings so they'd get that pick.   How funny would it be if Harry Giles is clearly the best player available with their pick?  Another big man.

Aren't you supposed to be a Celtics fan? If anything, your thoughts should be on how we can trade future picks to take a flyer on Giles. So why are you even thinking about Philly? Why even bring them up in this topic? Let's try to have at least a few threads without Sixers talk on here. If you're not comfortable with that why don't you just post your many Sixers thoughts on an actual Sixers forum?
The Sixers are one of the most interesting stories in the NBA. People like to talk about interesting things. Besides its not cool to act like a boss and tell people what they can or can't talk about on a forum.
But we should be able to talk about Harry Giles and not have it turn into another Sixers thread.
No one is stopping you and no one responded to Larbrd until someone felt the need to boss him and lecture him. It's just getting kind of over played. The personal attacks on Larbrd.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 17, 2017, 01:55:39 PM
My post was very relevant because there's a scenario where the best player available to Philly would be Giles and they'd basically have to trade him, right?... perhaps to a team like Boston.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: Donoghus on January 17, 2017, 01:57:06 PM
Let's not derail this thread.  Get off the personal stuff & get back on topic.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: TrueFan on January 17, 2017, 02:05:57 PM
My post was very relevant because there's a scenario where the best player available to Philly would be Giles and they'd basically have to trade him, right?... perhaps to a team like Boston.
What are you thinking regarding the trade?

Smart for Giles?
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 17, 2017, 02:11:26 PM
My post was very relevant because there's a scenario where the best player available to Philly would be Giles and they'd basically have to trade him, right?... perhaps to a team like Boston.
What are you thinking regarding the trade?

Smart for Giles?
A lot of things have to happen for that scenario to present itself, but it's been a thought on my mind for a while when Giles was thought of as a top 5 pick... that there's one team picking at the top that would probably want nothing to do with drafting Giles.

I had been thinking about more from the perspective of... hey even if the Brooklyn pick ends up 5th or something, there's a very real possibility Giles will be available to us, because Philly might end up with two top 4 picks and want nothing to do with drafting another big.   But this was all under the premise that Giles was a top 5 pick.  The perception seems to be changing.

And now that Giles is dropping at the same time Philly is winning games, there could very well be a scenario where Philly ends up with a draft pick outside of the top 8 (which is loaded with guards and small forwards)... and if there aren't any guards and small forwards left and the best player available is clearly Giles - wouldn't they have to take him and make a trade?   I guess they could trade up...
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: TrueFan on January 17, 2017, 02:25:31 PM
My post was very relevant because there's a scenario where the best player available to Philly would be Giles and they'd basically have to trade him, right?... perhaps to a team like Boston.
What are you thinking regarding the trade?

Smart for Giles?
A lot of things have to happen for that scenario to present itself, but it's been a thought on my mind for a while when Giles was thought of as a top 5 pick... that there's one team picking at the top that would probably want nothing to do with drafting Giles.

I had been thinking about more from the perspective of... hey even if the Brooklyn pick ends up 5th or something, there's a very real possibility Giles will be available to us, because Philly might end up with two top 4 picks and want nothing to do with drafting another big.   But this was all under the premise that Giles was a top 5 pick.  The perception seems to be changing.

And now that Giles is dropping at the same time Philly is winning games, there could very well be a scenario where Philly ends up with a draft pick outside of the top 8 (which is loaded with guards and small forwards)... and if there aren't any guards and small forwards left and the best player available is clearly Giles - wouldn't they have to take him and make a trade?   I guess they could trade up...
I would think the Sixers are in a great position to move up in the draft if they needed to.

As far as Giles dropping in the draft I wonder if giving up a player like Smart for Giles is worth taking. You have to figure if we land Ball or Fultz that Smart might get his minutes squeezed but is trading him for Giles who is looking like a possible bust candidate a gamble worth taking. Maybe some people who have watched his games could give some feedback.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: gift on January 17, 2017, 02:36:57 PM
He's dropping like a [Diamond] Stone.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: footey on January 17, 2017, 02:41:46 PM
nbadraft.net has him at 12 to the knicks.

nbadraft.net is notoriously slower to make changes, behind the curve. DE much more on top of trends.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: drogbagarnett on January 17, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: TrueFan on January 17, 2017, 03:20:06 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?

Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: green_bballers13 on January 17, 2017, 04:13:02 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: A Future of Stevens on January 17, 2017, 04:26:00 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...

Honest question. I want to know where you saw Patton listed at 7'1. If he really is that big, he has a ton of potential. I just learned of him today, but all of the measurements I have seen have him at 6'11.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: gift on January 17, 2017, 04:26:32 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.

IMO Thon Maker is black mark on draft express. They insisted on downplaying him even though it was clear someone (rightly or wrongly) was going to take him fairly early. They changed their mock at the last minute. But it raises the question, is draft express really a mock, or list of guys they like? Because if it's a mock, they dropped the ball on Thon Maker (and I think it was their own bias getting in the way).
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: TrueFan on January 17, 2017, 04:27:36 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.
Its tough to pick a player who might bust in a draft like this.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: ConnerHenry on January 17, 2017, 04:30:32 PM
The Ringer had a good article on Giles and how he's struggling with lateral movement defensively and vertical explosiveness is clearly diminished. Granted, he's still early in his return to the court, but these are issues that definitely causing concern.


https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.x8v5nlu7f  (https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.x8v5nlu7f)

"Obviously, any player who returns from injury will have rust. The difficulty is figuring out if his multiple knee surgeries have degraded his body (and therefore his projectable skill), or heís simply working his way back into basketball shape.

But that doesnít touch on the greater issue. Even if Giles returns to form, leads Duke all the way back to the title game, and in the final seconds throws down a game-winning, buzzer-beating, putback dunk thatís played on March Madness highlight reels forever, it doesnít change the fact that his injury history is troubling enough to cause serious concern about his future. If youíre a team with a mid-lottery pick, would you really want to take a risk on Giles when a floor-spacing big man like Lauri Markkanen or a two-way point guard like Frank Ntilikina could be on the board? "
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: footey on January 17, 2017, 04:33:45 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.

IMO Thon Maker is black mark on draft express. They insisted on downplaying him even though it was clear someone (rightly or wrongly) was going to take him fairly early. They changed their mock at the last minute. But it raises the question, is draft express really a mock, or list of guys they like? Because if it's a mock, they dropped the ball on Thon Maker (and I think it was their own bias getting in the way).

Maker may have been a reach by Bucks. Does he get any PT so far? Don't think so.  Is he hurt?

For every Greek Freak, there are 99 Thon Makers who measure great but just don't work out. Too soon to say about him, I understand, but the odds work that way.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: IDreamCeltics on January 17, 2017, 04:34:16 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.

IMO Thon Maker is black mark on draft express. They insisted on downplaying him even though it was clear someone (rightly or wrongly) was going to take him fairly early. They changed their mock at the last minute. But it raises the question, is draft express really a mock, or list of guys they like? Because if it's a mock, they dropped the ball on Thon Maker (and I think it was their own bias getting in the way).

I think the fact that Thon is a 40 year old rookie hurt him.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: Who on January 17, 2017, 04:35:29 PM
Giles has to show he can regain his athleticism by draft workouts to be a lotto pick.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: tankcity! on January 17, 2017, 05:14:00 PM
I feel really badly for him. Apparently he is a really hard worker and worked his way up to the stud he was in high school. Hopefully he gets his explosion back. That's just one obstacle though. He also has to prove he can stay healthy. Still think he can be a lottery pick if he obtains his athleticism.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: saltlover on January 17, 2017, 05:17:11 PM
I feel really badly for him. Apparently he is a really hard worker and worked his way up to the stud he was in high school. Hopefully he gets his explosion back. That's just one obstacle though. He also has to prove he can stay healthy. Still think he can be a lottery pick if he obtains his athleticism.

He also needs to show awareness on the defensive end.  He's out of place a good bit, and college defensive schemes aren't normally as complicated as NBA schemes.  He's looking less like a two-way player.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: drogbagarnett on January 17, 2017, 05:29:44 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: TrueFan on January 17, 2017, 05:53:29 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Yeah but you can't use a top 3 pick on a guy who is number 14 on one draft board.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: saltlover on January 17, 2017, 06:02:50 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Yeah but you can't use a top 3 pick on a guy who is number 14 on one draft board.

The worst-case scenario for the pick is #5, and even that would appear to be a major reach.

On the other hand, when was the last time that the top 5 in a draft contained neither a pure 5 nor a 4/5 hybrid?  That's a real question -- I remember looking a couple of years ago and I think I went back to the 80s without finding an example.  Accordingly, I think some big will be selected in the top 5.  Will it be Giles? Patton? Markkanen?  It's tough to make a strong case for any of them, but history indicates that one of them, or some other big, will be.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: Donoghus on January 17, 2017, 06:07:53 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Yeah but you can't use a top 3 pick on a guy who is number 14 on one draft board.

The worst-case scenario for the pick is #5, and even that would appear to be a major reach.

On the other hand, when was the last time that the top 5 in a draft contained neither a pure 5 nor a 4/5 hybrid?  That's a real question -- I remember looking a couple of years ago and I think I went back to the 80s without finding an example.  Accordingly, I think some big will be selected in the top 5.  Will it be Giles? Patton? Markkanen?  It's tough to make a strong case for any of them, but history indicates that one of them, or some other big, will be.

I can't come up with one.

EDIT:  '67?  Looks like G, G, G, F, G.  Someone will have to enlighten me more about Sonny Dove but he's listed as a SF in his bio.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: saltlover on January 17, 2017, 06:22:46 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Yeah but you can't use a top 3 pick on a guy who is number 14 on one draft board.

The worst-case scenario for the pick is #5, and even that would appear to be a major reach.

On the other hand, when was the last time that the top 5 in a draft contained neither a pure 5 nor a 4/5 hybrid?  That's a real question -- I remember looking a couple of years ago and I think I went back to the 80s without finding an example.  Accordingly, I think some big will be selected in the top 5.  Will it be Giles? Patton? Markkanen?  It's tough to make a strong case for any of them, but history indicates that one of them, or some other big, will be.

I can't come up with one.

EDIT:  '67?  Looks like G, G, G, F, G.  Someone will have to enlighten me more about Sonny Dove but he's listed as a SF in his bio.

Man, that's far back.  Basketball reference lists him as a PF, but also at 6'7" and 200 pounds, so I'm willing to say he's not a 4/5.  In either case, 50 years is a long time! TP for going back that far.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: Donoghus on January 17, 2017, 06:42:54 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Yeah but you can't use a top 3 pick on a guy who is number 14 on one draft board.

The worst-case scenario for the pick is #5, and even that would appear to be a major reach.

On the other hand, when was the last time that the top 5 in a draft contained neither a pure 5 nor a 4/5 hybrid?  That's a real question -- I remember looking a couple of years ago and I think I went back to the 80s without finding an example.  Accordingly, I think some big will be selected in the top 5.  Will it be Giles? Patton? Markkanen?  It's tough to make a strong case for any of them, but history indicates that one of them, or some other big, will be.

I can't come up with one.

EDIT:  '67?  Looks like G, G, G, F, G.  Someone will have to enlighten me more about Sonny Dove but he's listed as a SF in his bio.

Man, that's far back.  Basketball reference lists him as a PF, but also at 6'7" and 200 pounds, so I'm willing to say he's not a 4/5.  In either case, 50 years is a long time! TP for going back that far.

Yeah, its pretty insane to consider.  You think dumb luck would have a year where it was guards & small forwards.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: chilidawg on January 17, 2017, 06:43:21 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Yeah but you can't use a top 3 pick on a guy who is number 14 on one draft board.

Sure you can, if you're convinced that he's the right guy.  It takes guts, but that's what GM's are supposed to do.  The obsession with mock drafts (I'm guilty too!) is a little out of control.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: Donoghus on January 17, 2017, 06:48:20 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Yeah but you can't use a top 3 pick on a guy who is number 14 on one draft board.

Sure you can, if you're convinced that he's the right guy.  It takes guts, but that's what GM's are supposed to do.  The obsession with mock drafts (I'm guilty too!) is a little out of control.

You can but, from a value standpoint, its not the best thing to do.  If no other team has the guy in, say, the top 10 on their draft boards (not that you'd necessarily know) then you're sacrificing the opportunity to pick up additional assets by trading down and still being able to take your guy.  But then you're dealing with the gamble that the guy would still be there at 14 or wherever.

But I also totally see what you're saying; if you're in love with the guy and feel he's can't miss, maybe you just say the heck with it and draft it.  It's just a really ballsy to do.  Especially when you're talking a drop from 3 to 14. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: coffee425 on January 17, 2017, 06:48:49 PM
i'll repeat. stay in school.
rehab.
dominate. fall back into the top 5.
just in time for the new rookie wages from the new CBA.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: saltlover on January 17, 2017, 07:11:07 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Yeah but you can't use a top 3 pick on a guy who is number 14 on one draft board.

The worst-case scenario for the pick is #5, and even that would appear to be a major reach.

On the other hand, when was the last time that the top 5 in a draft contained neither a pure 5 nor a 4/5 hybrid?  That's a real question -- I remember looking a couple of years ago and I think I went back to the 80s without finding an example.  Accordingly, I think some big will be selected in the top 5.  Will it be Giles? Patton? Markkanen?  It's tough to make a strong case for any of them, but history indicates that one of them, or some other big, will be.

I can't come up with one.

EDIT:  '67?  Looks like G, G, G, F, G.  Someone will have to enlighten me more about Sonny Dove but he's listed as a SF in his bio.

Man, that's far back.  Basketball reference lists him as a PF, but also at 6'7" and 200 pounds, so I'm willing to say he's not a 4/5.  In either case, 50 years is a long time! TP for going back that far.

Yeah, its pretty insane to consider.  You think dumb luck would have a year where it was guards & small forwards.

Yeah.  Even if you assume that there's a bias, and 50% of top 5 picks are 4/5 or pure 5 types, the odds of there not being a draft that's all guards and small forwards in 50 years is about 20%.

NBA front offices are always willing to gamble on a big.  It seems like a market inefficiency if you can figure out how to exploit it. On the other hand, maybe it isn't, and everyone is rational about their selection of bigs.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: gift on January 17, 2017, 07:41:28 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.

IMO Thon Maker is black mark on draft express. They insisted on downplaying him even though it was clear someone (rightly or wrongly) was going to take him fairly early. They changed their mock at the last minute. But it raises the question, is draft express really a mock, or list of guys they like? Because if it's a mock, they dropped the ball on Thon Maker (and I think it was their own bias getting in the way).

Maker may have been a reach by Bucks. Does he get any PT so far? Don't think so.  Is he hurt?

For every Greek Freak, there are 99 Thon Makers who measure great but just don't work out. Too soon to say about him, I understand, but the odds work that way.

If Draft Express is doing a mock, they should predict someone reaching on a player like Thon, when it was pretty clear someone was going to (and the Bucks actually did). I think they fell more into ranking him as a second round talent which, while more appropriate from a talent evaluation standpoint, does not represent a "mock draft", or at least certainly not an accurate one.

It's only relevant here, because it seems a similar discussion is forming around Giles. Some people are talking about how far he's dropping, others project him to still be drafted quite high. When citing Draft Express as an example of his dropping stock, it's good to keep in mind they have a recent history of being incorrect when it comes to predicting a similar risk/reward scenario (albeit due to different circumstances).
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 17, 2017, 07:51:54 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.

IMO Thon Maker is black mark on draft express. They insisted on downplaying him even though it was clear someone (rightly or wrongly) was going to take him fairly early. They changed their mock at the last minute. But it raises the question, is draft express really a mock, or list of guys they like? Because if it's a mock, they dropped the ball on Thon Maker (and I think it was their own bias getting in the way).

Maker may have been a reach by Bucks. Does he get any PT so far? Don't think so.  Is he hurt?

For every Greek Freak, there are 99 Thon Makers who measure great but just don't work out. Too soon to say about him, I understand, but the odds work that way.

If Draft Express is doing a mock, they should predict someone reaching on a player like Thon, when it was pretty clear someone was going to (and the Bucks actually did). I think they fell more into ranking him as a second round talent which, while more appropriate from a talent evaluation standpoint, does not represent a "mock draft", or at least certainly not an accurate one.


I don't think you're remembering the Maker situation correctly.

It would only be a "black mark" for DX if they insisted on ranking him based on their lower evaluation but others (who understood that "someone" was going to take him) had him higher.

But nbadraft.net had maker #36:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

CBS had him at #27:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2016-lsus-ben-simmons-to-the-sixers-at-no-1-looks-to-be-done/

nba.com had him at #23:

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/06/23/2016-nba-mock-draft-4-0/

SI had him in the second round:

http://www.si.com/nba/photo/2016/05/18/2016-nba-mock-draft

His pick at #10 was a shock.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 17, 2017, 07:54:14 PM
Here's an article on Forbes calling Maker the biggest reach in the draft and listing a few other sites that had him in the second round.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zachpetersel/2016/06/23/biggest-reaches-in-2016-nba-draft/#bf0524b40175
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: moiso on January 17, 2017, 08:19:14 PM
I can feel right now that we will be more likely to draft the 7'1 Justin Patton than the 6'10 Harry Giles with our BKN 2017 pick... Believe it or not...
Is there a moch draft that has Patton in the top 15?
Yes, # 14 here :

https://theringer.com/the-ringers-2017-nba-draft-lottery-big-board-version-2-0-446c31b6a473#.v9dqo56sb
Yeah but you can't use a top 3 pick on a guy who is number 14 on one draft board.

Sure you can, if you're convinced that he's the right guy.  It takes guts, but that's what GM's are supposed to do.  The obsession with mock drafts (I'm guilty too!) is a little out of control.
Anthony Bennett style!
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: mmmmm on January 17, 2017, 08:33:37 PM
i'll repeat. stay in school.
rehab.
dominate. fall back into the top 5.
just in time for the new rookie wages from the new CBA.

That would be my advice to the young man as well, except ...

If he has any chance of being drafted in the first round, no matter how late, he has to go for it to get that guaranteed contract.   Even for an end-of-first round player, that's life-changing money.   And staying in school another year runs the risk of another injury that could completely wipe out any chance at the NBA.

And also consider that while this coming draft seem pretty weak on big men, the 2018 draft looks like it may be loaded with very talented true bigs.   Giles would have to really come back strong if his hope is to re-claim a top of the draft slot in 2018.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: mmmmm on January 17, 2017, 08:39:52 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.

IMO Thon Maker is black mark on draft express. They insisted on downplaying him even though it was clear someone (rightly or wrongly) was going to take him fairly early. They changed their mock at the last minute. But it raises the question, is draft express really a mock, or list of guys they like? Because if it's a mock, they dropped the ball on Thon Maker (and I think it was their own bias getting in the way).

Maker may have been a reach by Bucks. Does he get any PT so far? Don't think so.  Is he hurt?

For every Greek Freak, there are 99 Thon Makers who measure great but just don't work out. Too soon to say about him, I understand, but the odds work that way.

If Draft Express is doing a mock, they should predict someone reaching on a player like Thon, when it was pretty clear someone was going to (and the Bucks actually did). I think they fell more into ranking him as a second round talent which, while more appropriate from a talent evaluation standpoint, does not represent a "mock draft", or at least certainly not an accurate one.

It's only relevant here, because it seems a similar discussion is forming around Giles. Some people are talking about how far he's dropping, others project him to still be drafted quite high. When citing Draft Express as an example of his dropping stock, it's good to keep in mind they have a recent history of being incorrect when it comes to predicting a similar risk/reward scenario (albeit due to different circumstances).

To be fair, DraftExpress was not alone in totally blowing it with most of last-years draft.

The problem for public draft mocks and rankings in the media is ultimately, they have no clue as to how the GMs are internally ranking the players.  And it seems the teams are relying more and more on private work outs and their own scouting to evaluate players.

You have to take all the public media draft boards and mocks with a huge grain of salt.  DraftExpress is still probably more useful than most as a central source of information on the players, though.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 17, 2017, 08:44:00 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.

IMO Thon Maker is black mark on draft express. They insisted on downplaying him even though it was clear someone (rightly or wrongly) was going to take him fairly early. They changed their mock at the last minute. But it raises the question, is draft express really a mock, or list of guys they like? Because if it's a mock, they dropped the ball on Thon Maker (and I think it was their own bias getting in the way).

Maker may have been a reach by Bucks. Does he get any PT so far? Don't think so.  Is he hurt?

For every Greek Freak, there are 99 Thon Makers who measure great but just don't work out. Too soon to say about him, I understand, but the odds work that way.

If Draft Express is doing a mock, they should predict someone reaching on a player like Thon, when it was pretty clear someone was going to (and the Bucks actually did). I think they fell more into ranking him as a second round talent which, while more appropriate from a talent evaluation standpoint, does not represent a "mock draft", or at least certainly not an accurate one.

It's only relevant here, because it seems a similar discussion is forming around Giles. Some people are talking about how far he's dropping, others project him to still be drafted quite high. When citing Draft Express as an example of his dropping stock, it's good to keep in mind they have a recent history of being incorrect when it comes to predicting a similar risk/reward scenario (albeit due to different circumstances).

To be fair, DraftExpress was not alone in totally blowing it with most of last-years draft.

The problem for public draft mocks and rankings in the media is ultimately, they have no clue as to how the GMs are internally ranking the players.  And it seems the teams are relying more and more on private work outs and their own scouting to evaluate players.

You have to take all the public media draft boards and mocks with a huge grain of salt.  DraftExpress is still probably more useful than most as a central source of information on the players, though.
Indeed, dare we even venture that the mocks should be taken as fun and entertaining? And not as definitive or real? ;D
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: MikeJelly on January 17, 2017, 08:53:10 PM
Anyone interested in trading for another 1st to get him along with the Nets pick. If we walked out of this draft with Fultz and Giles that would be something!
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: chilidawg on January 17, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.

IMO Thon Maker is black mark on draft express. They insisted on downplaying him even though it was clear someone (rightly or wrongly) was going to take him fairly early. They changed their mock at the last minute. But it raises the question, is draft express really a mock, or list of guys they like? Because if it's a mock, they dropped the ball on Thon Maker (and I think it was their own bias getting in the way).

Maker may have been a reach by Bucks. Does he get any PT so far? Don't think so.  Is he hurt?

For every Greek Freak, there are 99 Thon Makers who measure great but just don't work out. Too soon to say about him, I understand, but the odds work that way.

If Draft Express is doing a mock, they should predict someone reaching on a player like Thon, when it was pretty clear someone was going to (and the Bucks actually did). I think they fell more into ranking him as a second round talent which, while more appropriate from a talent evaluation standpoint, does not represent a "mock draft", or at least certainly not an accurate one.

It's only relevant here, because it seems a similar discussion is forming around Giles. Some people are talking about how far he's dropping, others project him to still be drafted quite high. When citing Draft Express as an example of his dropping stock, it's good to keep in mind they have a recent history of being incorrect when it comes to predicting a similar risk/reward scenario (albeit due to different circumstances).

To be fair, DraftExpress was not alone in totally blowing it with most of last-years draft.

The problem for public draft mocks and rankings in the media is ultimately, they have no clue as to how the GMs are internally ranking the players.  And it seems the teams are relying more and more on private work outs and their own scouting to evaluate players.

You have to take all the public media draft boards and mocks with a huge grain of salt.  DraftExpress is still probably more useful than most as a central source of information on the players, though.
Indeed, dare we even venture that the mocks should be taken as fun and entertaining? And not as definitive or real? ;D

Heresy!
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 18, 2017, 11:33:46 AM
Im not really sure why this is news. The guy had been out since the begining of his senior year and then had a small surgery before the season started. Its no surprise that he is where he is right now. The guy has played like 6 games without the benefit of training camp or preseason games. If he still looks like this the end of next month then there might be cause for concern although I will say we the public will never really know what he looks like because the few weeks right before the draft is when he should be at his strongest
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: Eddie20 on January 18, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Anyone interested in trading for another 1st to get him along with the Nets pick. If we walked out of this draft with Fultz and Giles that would be something!

Trading Bradley for a 1st rd pick to acquire Giles, drafting Fultz, and signing Hayward seems like a really good off-season.

How fun would this be:

Horford
Crowder
? (Unknown Big Man)
Thomas
Hayward

Giles
Brown
Zizic
Smart
Fultz
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: clevelandceltic on January 24, 2017, 04:48:04 PM
While everyone is all excited about the game that Smith had last night against Duke, but I think people are overlooking what Giles did last night. No he didnt blow away the competition last night but you started to see his game coming back to him a little bit. Step back jumper, was able to run the floor and not jog, able to hedge screens and not get blown past every time, and able to move more fluid than he did two weeks ago.

Im curious to see how he looks a month from now. I dont expect him to be back 100% but I think we are starting to see signs of what he at the beginning of his junior year of HS.

Stay tuned for more flashes I guess.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Dropping Like a Stone on DraftExpress
Post by: GreenShooter on January 30, 2017, 04:47:57 PM
I'm curious where he stands after he gets several games in. May not be top of the charts, but I don't think he's Skal, either.

Mike

If the draft was held today, giles would be drafted at the tail end of the lotto to late teens

But imo he is still rusty and not fully recovered from his surgery.  I would give it until the last 5 games of the season

Where was Thon Maker drafted? He was projected as a deep 2nd rounder at one point.

I think Giles is a top 10 pick, regardless of what he does at Duke.

There are a bunch of guys that I like in this draft for the Celtics:

-Fultz
-Tatum
-Jackson
-Ball
-Isaac
-Ivan Rabb

I would take Giles 5th, if Ball was taken.

IMO Thon Maker is black mark on draft express. They insisted on downplaying him even though it was clear someone (rightly or wrongly) was going to take him fairly early. They changed their mock at the last minute. But it raises the question, is draft express really a mock, or list of guys they like? Because if it's a mock, they dropped the ball on Thon Maker (and I think it was their own bias getting in the way).

Maker may have been a reach by Bucks. Does he get any PT so far? Don't think so.  Is he hurt?

For every Greek Freak, there are 99 Thon Makers who measure great but just don't work out. Too soon to say about him, I understand, but the odds work that way.

If Draft Express is doing a mock, they should predict someone reaching on a player like Thon, when it was pretty clear someone was going to (and the Bucks actually did). I think they fell more into ranking him as a second round talent which, while more appropriate from a talent evaluation standpoint, does not represent a "mock draft", or at least certainly not an accurate one.

It's only relevant here, because it seems a similar discussion is forming around Giles. Some people are talking about how far he's dropping, others project him to still be drafted quite high. When citing Draft Express as an example of his dropping stock, it's good to keep in mind they have a recent history of being incorrect when it comes to predicting a similar risk/reward scenario (albeit due to different circumstances).

To be fair, DraftExpress was not alone in totally blowing it with most of last-years draft.

The problem for public draft mocks and rankings in the media is ultimately, they have no clue as to how the GMs are internally ranking the players.  And it seems the teams are relying more and more on private work outs and their own scouting to evaluate players.

You have to take all the public media draft boards and mocks with a huge grain of salt.  DraftExpress is still probably more useful than most as a central source of information on the players, though.
To be a little fair to DX, outside the top 2, nobody really knew where anyone was going, really (maybe Dunn to Minny was no-brainer). It wasn't seen as a good draft around June. A bunch good players with some good skill sets but nothing off the charts good. Even the top 2 had legit question marks and they were the consensus top 2.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: green_bballers13 on February 02, 2017, 11:13:39 PM
I would love for Danny to take a chance on Giles. I think he has the size/athleticism to be a star in this league. I think that the Celtics have enough draft capital to take a couple chances, assuming they nail the Brooklyn pick with either Fultz or Jackson.

I'm honestly hoping that Giles doesn't start crushing the competition at Duke. With a cold to luke warm tournament, he could very easily fall outside of the top 15. The Celtics could trade multiple non BKN firsts, along with multiple 2nd round picks and/or young players to get to #16, for instance.

Fultz+Giles (as the long term project) would be a good yield, while consolidating a couple of the many picks the Celtics have.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: jmen788 on February 03, 2017, 03:15:11 AM
I would love for Danny to take a chance on Giles. I think he has the size/athleticism to be a star in this league. I think that the Celtics have enough draft capital to take a couple chances, assuming they nail the Brooklyn pick with either Fultz or Jackson.

I'm honestly hoping that Giles doesn't start crushing the competition at Duke. With a cold to luke warm tournament, he could very easily fall outside of the top 15. The Celtics could trade multiple non BKN firsts, along with multiple 2nd round picks and/or young players to get to #16, for instance.

Fultz+Giles (as the long term project) would be a good yield, while consolidating a couple of the many picks the Celtics have.

I will never understand all of the Giles love - he's having an awful season and he has had like 2 or 3 major knee injuries as an 18/19 year old kid.

I agree let's swing for the fences - if we can't get Fultz, go with Isaac.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: mr. dee on February 03, 2017, 03:39:04 AM
Its possible that he could slide to 2nd round with the way he's performing right now. Remember Skal Labissiere?
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: A Future of Stevens on February 03, 2017, 06:50:25 AM
I would love for Danny to take a chance on Giles. I think he has the size/athleticism to be a star in this league. I think that the Celtics have enough draft capital to take a couple chances, assuming they nail the Brooklyn pick with either Fultz or Jackson.

I'm honestly hoping that Giles doesn't start crushing the competition at Duke. With a cold to luke warm tournament, he could very easily fall outside of the top 15. The Celtics could trade multiple non BKN firsts, along with multiple 2nd round picks and/or young players to get to #16, for instance.

Fultz+Giles (as the long term project) would be a good yield, while consolidating a couple of the many picks the Celtics have.

I will never understand all of the Giles love - he's having an awful season and he has had like 2 or 3 major knee injuries as an 18/19 year old kid.

I agree let's swing for the fences - if we can't get Fultz, go with Isaac.

Yes, but rhe person you quoted is assuminy we get Fultz. So it would be next to impossible to trade up for Isaac. 16 could happen, 2 top 5s aint gonna happen.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: jmen788 on February 03, 2017, 07:25:02 AM
I would love for Danny to take a chance on Giles. I think he has the size/athleticism to be a star in this league. I think that the Celtics have enough draft capital to take a couple chances, assuming they nail the Brooklyn pick with either Fultz or Jackson.

I'm honestly hoping that Giles doesn't start crushing the competition at Duke. With a cold to luke warm tournament, he could very easily fall outside of the top 15. The Celtics could trade multiple non BKN firsts, along with multiple 2nd round picks and/or young players to get to #16, for instance.

Fultz+Giles (as the long term project) would be a good yield, while consolidating a couple of the many picks the Celtics have.

I will never understand all of the Giles love - he's having an awful season and he has had like 2 or 3 major knee injuries as an 18/19 year old kid.

I agree let's swing for the fences - if we can't get Fultz, go with Isaac.

Yes, but rhe person you quoted is assuminy we get Fultz. So it would be next to impossible to trade up for Isaac. 16 could happen, 2 top 5s aint gonna happen.

I get that. I am talking about for the Nets pick, not trading up. I also would not draft Giles at #15 if we had another pick, or even at #20.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: GreenShooter on February 03, 2017, 08:20:07 AM
Giles is getting more comfortable out there (very slowly tho). And he can really get boards. That's all he does for now. I wouldn't hesitate to draft him outside the top 10 but I don't see a scenario where DA gets another pick in the lottery (or in the first round for that matter). I would love to get another pick in the lottery. It's a nice draft inside the top 12 or 15. That is also where we can get another big. Not sure we'll have the roster spots for about 4 rookies (this includes Zizic) next year though. We'll certainly draft 1 or 2 more draft and stash players.
We would have to trade a player (like Bradley) to get another lotto pick.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on February 03, 2017, 11:19:56 AM
Its possible that he could slide to 2nd round with the way he's performing right now. Remember Skal Labissiere?
I called Giles this year's Skal Labissiere in December and was told I was nuts. I think he goes mid to late first round...maybe later. Bad knee injury history and bad play will have him dropping like crazy
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: clevelandceltic on February 04, 2017, 11:29:32 AM
Its possible that he could slide to 2nd round with the way he's performing right now. Remember Skal Labissiere?
I called Giles this year's Skal Labissiere in December and was told I was nuts. I think he goes mid to late first round...maybe later. Bad knee injury history and bad play will have him dropping like crazy

If he goes late 1st someone is getting a steal because even at this point in his process of coming back he has shown he can be an elite rebounder.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: footey on February 04, 2017, 11:53:33 AM
Its possible that he could slide to 2nd round with the way he's performing right now. Remember Skal Labissiere?
I called Giles this year's Skal Labissiere in December and was told I was nuts. I think he goes mid to late first round...maybe later. Bad knee injury history and bad play will have him dropping like crazy

Giles slip was injury related. Skal was strictly performance related. Apples and oranges don't you think?
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on February 04, 2017, 12:26:21 PM
Its possible that he could slide to 2nd round with the way he's performing right now. Remember Skal Labissiere?
I called Giles this year's Skal Labissiere in December and was told I was nuts. I think he goes mid to late first round...maybe later. Bad knee injury history and bad play will have him dropping like crazy

Giles slip was injury related. Skal was strictly performance related. Apples and oranges don't you think?
You really think Giles slip is only injury related?
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: chilidawg on February 04, 2017, 05:33:39 PM
Its possible that he could slide to 2nd round with the way he's performing right now. Remember Skal Labissiere?
I called Giles this year's Skal Labissiere in December and was told I was nuts. I think he goes mid to late first round...maybe later. Bad knee injury history and bad play will have him dropping like crazy

Giles slip was injury related. Skal was strictly performance related. Apples and oranges don't you think?
You really think Giles slip is only injury related?

Pretty hard to tell, don't you think?
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: The One on March 14, 2017, 03:51:53 PM
Just listened to Locked On NBA podcast.

Chad Ford says that Giles is still a top 5 talent.  And if the medical staff finds no structural damage, teams should still take him very very high.  He just needs time to recover from the injury. Also he's been behind on understanding the Duke system. Once he's a pro - he can relax, breathe, and rehab properly.

Interesting development, if he does well with whole combine and workout process.

Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: action781 on March 14, 2017, 03:57:00 PM
Just listened to Locked On NBA podcast.

Chad Ford says that Giles is still a top 5 talent.  And if the medical staff finds no structural damage, teams should still take him very very high.  He just needs time to recover from the injury. Also he's been behind on understanding the Duke system. Once he's a pro - he can relax, breathe, and rehab properly.

Interesting development, if he does well with whole combine and workout process.

I believe it.  His HS career, college year, and draft status over the year kind of remind me of Skal Labissiere last year, no?  Who is starting to show some real promise in Sac now that minutes have opened up for him.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: matteo on March 14, 2017, 03:59:22 PM
Just listened to Locked On NBA podcast.

Chad Ford says that Giles is still a top 5 talent.  And if the medical staff finds no structural damage, teams should still take him very very high.  He just needs time to recover from the injury. Also he's been behind on understanding the Duke system. Once he's a pro - he can relax, breathe, and rehab properly.

Interesting development, if he does well with whole combine and workout process.

soooo..waiting for the "hope to trade 1st/fultz for philly 5 and lakers draft 4, owned by philly" so we can draft JJ or Tatum 4th and Giles 5th??
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: The One on March 14, 2017, 04:13:44 PM
Just listened to Locked On NBA podcast.

Chad Ford says that Giles is still a top 5 talent.  And if the medical staff finds no structural damage, teams should still take him very very high.  He just needs time to recover from the injury. Also he's been behind on understanding the Duke system. Once he's a pro - he can relax, breathe, and rehab properly.

Interesting development, if he does well with whole combine and workout process.

soooo..waiting for the "hope to trade 1st/fultz for philly 5 and lakers draft 4, owned by philly" so we can draft JJ or Tatum 4th and Giles 5th??

Not really thinking about trades but wondering about some IFS:

If Giles continues to look better in tournament...
If Celtics end up picking 4th...
If he does well at combine/workouts...
If there is no structural damage...
If Danny doesn't find a good trade...

I would then wonder if he would be a good pick.

I had initially written Giles off...now I'm not so sure if that's wise to do.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on March 14, 2017, 04:54:19 PM
So because Chad Ford says he is still a high prospect he should be? Ford is the same guy that relentlessly pushed Exum, Mudiay, Bender and Hezonja as sure fire top 5 guys when there wasn't the greatest evidence of them being such. The evidence really isn't there for Giles. I wouldn't risk a top 5 pick on him. There's a lot of ifs and not a lot of evidence that he deserves a top 5 selection. Especially when Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, and Smith have looked so good. Then you have Markkanen, Monk, Fox, and Issac. Just don't see Giles breaking the top nine with so many possible red flags.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: footey on March 14, 2017, 05:11:48 PM
So because Chad Ford says he is still a high prospect he should be? Ford is the same guy that relentlessly pushed Exum, Mudiay, Bender and Hezonja as sure fire top 5 guys when there wasn't the greatest evidence of them being such. The evidence really isn't there for Giles. I wouldn't risk a top 5 pick on him. There's a lot of ifs and not a lot of evidence that he deserves a top 5 selection. Especially when Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, and Smith have looked so good. Then you have Markkanen, Monk, Fox, and Issac. Just don't see Giles breaking the top nine with so many possible red flags.

I agree it is unlikely he climbs to top 5, but could see him climb to top 10, if he is healthy, even if he doesn't perform that well in tourney. This kid was national consensus no. 1 in HS his  senior a year ago. As he gets healthier you can see his elite athleticism returning. There are a dearth of really good bigs in this draft.

Also, you can see he has competitive fire.  After a screw up he made during a recent game, you could see his frustration on the bench. Probably over the limitations placed on him by injury recovery process, being behind, limited minutes, etc.  The only red flag is whether doctors examine him and conclude he is more likely to incur another knee injury, based on his history.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Roy H. on March 14, 2017, 05:26:06 PM
So because Chad Ford says he is still a high prospect he should be? Ford is the same guy that relentlessly pushed Exum, Mudiay, Bender and Hezonja as sure fire top 5 guys when there wasn't the greatest evidence of them being such. The evidence really isn't there for Giles. I wouldn't risk a top 5 pick on him. There's a lot of ifs and not a lot of evidence that he deserves a top 5 selection. Especially when Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, and Smith have looked so good. Then you have Markkanen, Monk, Fox, and Issac. Just don't see Giles breaking the top nine with so many possible red flags.

I agree it is unlikely he climbs to top 5, but could see him climb to top 10, if he is healthy, even if he doesn't perform that well in tourney. This kid was national consensus no. 1 in HS his  senior a year ago. As he gets healthier you can see his elite athleticism returning. There are a dearth of really good bigs in this draft.

Also, you can see he has competitive fire.  After a screw up he made during a recent game, you could see his frustration on the bench. Probably over the limitations placed on him by injury recovery process, being behind, limited minutes, etc.  The only red flag is whether doctors examine him and conclude he is more likely to incur another knee injury, based on his history.

The answer to that last query is yes, he is more likely to suffer a subsequent injury.

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Anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction (ACLR) surgery is a common knee injury procedure, but the overall incidence rate of having to go through it again within 24 months is 6 times greater than someone who has never had an ACL tear, according to researchers presenting their work today at the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine's (AOSSM) Annual Meeting in Chicago, IL.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: tazzmaniac on March 14, 2017, 05:39:05 PM
Other than his rebounding, I haven't seen anything special from Giles.  Not sure that he projects particularly well as a PF or C.  Needs to get stronger.  Needs to develop a jumper.  His defense needs to improve a lot.  That being said, I like upside picks so I might still take him as high as 13th or 14th in this draft assuming that he checks out medically. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: footey on March 14, 2017, 06:05:39 PM
So because Chad Ford says he is still a high prospect he should be? Ford is the same guy that relentlessly pushed Exum, Mudiay, Bender and Hezonja as sure fire top 5 guys when there wasn't the greatest evidence of them being such. The evidence really isn't there for Giles. I wouldn't risk a top 5 pick on him. There's a lot of ifs and not a lot of evidence that he deserves a top 5 selection. Especially when Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, and Smith have looked so good. Then you have Markkanen, Monk, Fox, and Issac. Just don't see Giles breaking the top nine with so many possible red flags.

I agree it is unlikely he climbs to top 5, but could see him climb to top 10, if he is healthy, even if he doesn't perform that well in tourney. This kid was national consensus no. 1 in HS his  senior a year ago. As he gets healthier you can see his elite athleticism returning. There are a dearth of really good bigs in this draft.

Also, you can see he has competitive fire.  After a screw up he made during a recent game, you could see his frustration on the bench. Probably over the limitations placed on him by injury recovery process, being behind, limited minutes, etc.  The only red flag is whether doctors examine him and conclude he is more likely to incur another knee injury, based on his history.

The answer to that last query is yes, he is more likely to suffer a subsequent injury.

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Anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction (ACLR) surgery is a common knee injury procedure, but the overall incidence rate of having to go through it again within 24 months is 6 times greater than someone who has never had an ACL tear, according to researchers presenting their work today at the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine's (AOSSM) Annual Meeting in Chicago, IL.

Discouraging enough to keep a lot of GM's away.  Maybe out of top 10. Thanks.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 14, 2017, 06:59:56 PM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on March 14, 2017, 07:08:56 PM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
AB has so much more value than Giles its nuts. You're trading an All-NBA 1st team defensive player that shoots over 40% from three and averages 17PPG and 6RPG for a kid who has looked lost in college, who has a bum knee, who is going to need years to put on enough muscle and mass to play at the PF and C position and who has ever only looked good versus highschoolers. No way I make that trade if I am Ainge. If I am trading Bradley its for a proven, veteran upgrade, not a reach of a teenage rookie.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: GetLucky on March 14, 2017, 07:13:01 PM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
I'm a huge Harry Giles believer, but there's no way I would give up AB for him.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on March 14, 2017, 07:17:15 PM
So because Chad Ford says he is still a high prospect he should be? Ford is the same guy that relentlessly pushed Exum, Mudiay, Bender and Hezonja as sure fire top 5 guys when there wasn't the greatest evidence of them being such. The evidence really isn't there for Giles. I wouldn't risk a top 5 pick on him. There's a lot of ifs and not a lot of evidence that he deserves a top 5 selection. Especially when Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, and Smith have looked so good. Then you have Markkanen, Monk, Fox, and Issac. Just don't see Giles breaking the top nine with so many possible red flags.

I agree it is unlikely he climbs to top 5, but could see him climb to top 10, if he is healthy, even if he doesn't perform that well in tourney. This kid was national consensus no. 1 in HS his  senior a year ago. As he gets healthier you can see his elite athleticism returning. There are a dearth of really good bigs in this draft.

Also, you can see he has competitive fire.  After a screw up he made during a recent game, you could see his frustration on the bench. Probably over the limitations placed on him by injury recovery process, being behind, limited minutes, etc.  The only red flag is whether doctors examine him and conclude he is more likely to incur another knee injury, based on his history.

The answer to that last query is yes, he is more likely to suffer a subsequent injury.

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Anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction (ACLR) surgery is a common knee injury procedure, but the overall incidence rate of having to go through it again within 24 months is 6 times greater than someone who has never had an ACL tear, according to researchers presenting their work today at the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine's (AOSSM) Annual Meeting in Chicago, IL.

Discouraging enough to keep a lot of GM's away.  Maybe out of top 10. Thanks.

For several months Draftexpress has had Giles outside of the top 15, currently #25.  He blew out both knees by 18 years of age.  It's sad, he was a heck of a HS talent, but I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.  Maybe as a late 1st flier with very limited expectations. 

For his sake, I hope he is drafted in the 1st round and earns some guaranteed money for all the work he has probably put into basketball to this point. Not sure whether it's even a wise decision for him to declare this season or not. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Celts Fan 508 on March 14, 2017, 07:22:56 PM
So because Chad Ford says he is still a high prospect he should be? Ford is the same guy that relentlessly pushed Exum, Mudiay, Bender and Hezonja as sure fire top 5 guys when there wasn't the greatest evidence of them being such. The evidence really isn't there for Giles. I wouldn't risk a top 5 pick on him. There's a lot of ifs and not a lot of evidence that he deserves a top 5 selection. Especially when Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Tatum, and Smith have looked so good. Then you have Markkanen, Monk, Fox, and Issac. Just don't see Giles breaking the top nine with so many possible red flags.

I agree it is unlikely he climbs to top 5, but could see him climb to top 10, if he is healthy, even if he doesn't perform that well in tourney. This kid was national consensus no. 1 in HS his  senior a year ago. As he gets healthier you can see his elite athleticism returning. There are a dearth of really good bigs in this draft.

Also, you can see he has competitive fire.  After a screw up he made during a recent game, you could see his frustration on the bench. Probably over the limitations placed on him by injury recovery process, being behind, limited minutes, etc.  The only red flag is whether doctors examine him and conclude he is more likely to incur another knee injury, based on his history.

The answer to that last query is yes, he is more likely to suffer a subsequent injury.

Quote
Anterior cruciate ligament reconstruction (ACLR) surgery is a common knee injury procedure, but the overall incidence rate of having to go through it again within 24 months is 6 times greater than someone who has never had an ACL tear, according to researchers presenting their work today at the American Orthopaedic Society for Sports Medicine's (AOSSM) Annual Meeting in Chicago, IL.

Discouraging enough to keep a lot of GM's away.  Maybe out of top 10. Thanks.

For several months Draftexpress has had Giles outside of the top 15, currently #25.  He blew out both knees by 18 years of age.  It's sad, he was a heck of a HS talent, but I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.  Maybe as a late 1st flier with very limited expectations. 

For his sake, I hope he is drafted in the 1st round and earns some guaranteed money for all the work he has probably put into basketball to this point. Not sure whether it's even a wise decision for him to declare this season or not.

If he doesn't declare and blows out his knee again his NBA career would be over before it starts.  I don't know if he will be medically cleared to be a first rounder.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 14, 2017, 07:44:16 PM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
AB has so much more value than Giles its nuts. You're trading an All-NBA 1st team defensive player that shoots over 40% from three and averages 17PPG and 6RPG for a kid who has looked lost in college, who has a bum knee, who is going to need years to put on enough muscle and mass to play at the PF and C position and who has ever only looked good versus highschoolers. No way I make that trade if I am Ainge. If I am trading Bradley its for a proven, veteran upgrade, not a reach of a teenage rookie.
That's understood you are more concerned with the present. I'm thinking future. Giles could develop into a legit PF. And I really don't see team resigning AB when his contract is up. Would like to see the team move on from AB on draft night and get a big while they can instead of losing AB for nothing.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: csfansince60s on March 14, 2017, 07:52:13 PM
I think that if he gets a first round promise he comes out. At least he's guaranteed $$$, even at the very end of the first.

If no promise, despite what I've been thinking all along that he will definitely come out, I think that Giles gambles and stays in school.

If he opts to come out and gets picked 2nd round, he's guaranteed nothing and has to fight for a spot on team. If he ever gets injured in that scenario, fighting for a spot on a team and a contract, he's done value-wise.

If he returns to Duke, he gets an education, and if he's lucky, continues to get stronger and proves himself next year with lottery position. Of course, if he gets hurt again, he's cooked.

It's a gamble, either way.

Personally I think he comes out with a promise from a playoff team with some talent already that they can take a chance on him.  San Antonio and Toronto come to mind. Utah has two late firsts, including #30. They could be in play too.

I guess that there is one other scenario. If he declares and is not taken until the second round, maybe he can get a pro contract overseas. I don't know how that works though. (guaranteed$$$, length, etc) 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: KGs Knee on March 14, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
AB has so much more value than Giles its nuts. You're trading an All-NBA 1st team defensive player that shoots over 40% from three and averages 17PPG and 6RPG for a kid who has looked lost in college, who has a bum knee, who is going to need years to put on enough muscle and mass to play at the PF and C position and who has ever only looked good versus highschoolers. No way I make that trade if I am Ainge. If I am trading Bradley its for a proven, veteran upgrade, not a reach of a teenage rookie.
That's understood you are more concerned with the present. I'm thinking future. Giles could develop into a legit PF. And I really don't see team resigning AB when his contract is up. Would like to see the team move on from AB on draft night and get a big while they can instead of losing AB for nothing.

Maybe Giles develops into what his potential suggests, but there is an awful lot of risk that he doesn't.

Bradley is the 3rd, possibly 2nd most important player on the team right now. His defense is super critical to our success. I'm not sure why people over look him contributions as easily and often as they do, but there is no way Ainge just let's him walk in FA. I fully expect Bradley to be on this team for a while, unless he is part of a trade for a notable upgrade. No one on this team can provide what he does as well as he does.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on March 14, 2017, 08:12:18 PM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
AB has so much more value than Giles its nuts. You're trading an All-NBA 1st team defensive player that shoots over 40% from three and averages 17PPG and 6RPG for a kid who has looked lost in college, who has a bum knee, who is going to need years to put on enough muscle and mass to play at the PF and C position and who has ever only looked good versus highschoolers. No way I make that trade if I am Ainge. If I am trading Bradley its for a proven, veteran upgrade, not a reach of a teenage rookie.
That's understood you are more concerned with the present. I'm thinking future. Giles could develop into a legit PF. And I really don't see team resigning AB when his contract is up. Would like to see the team move on from AB on draft night and get a big while they can instead of losing AB for nothing.
Its a horrid trade...doesn't matter how you are thinking...past, present, future. A sure thing like Bradley, if you move on from him, you trade him and maybe a pick or another player for an upgrade in the frontcourt that helps this team move into contender status, now and for the next few years. This team is building towards winning now AND the future. You don't move Bradley for someone who's best case scenario might be an oft injured, too skinny, frontcourt player that might show potential to reach AB's level of player, maybe, in 6 or 7 years. That's just bad roster management.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: tazzmaniac on March 14, 2017, 10:25:38 PM
I think that if he gets a first round promise he comes out. At least he's guaranteed $$$, even at the very end of the first.

If no promise, despite what I've been thinking all along that he will definitely come out, I think that Giles gambles and stays in school.

If he opts to come out and gets picked 2nd round, he's guaranteed nothing and has to fight for a spot on team. If he ever gets injured in that scenario, fighting for a spot on a team and a contract, he's done value-wise.

If he returns to Duke, he gets an education, and if he's lucky, continues to get stronger and proves himself next year with lottery position. Of course, if he gets hurt again, he's cooked.

It's a gamble, either way.

Personally I think he comes out with a promise from a playoff team with some talent already that they can take a chance on him.  San Antonio and Toronto come to mind. Utah has two late firsts, including #30. They could be in play too.

I guess that there is one other scenario. If he declares and is not taken until the second round, maybe he can get a pro contract overseas. I don't know how that works though. (guaranteed$$$, length, etc)
Unless he gets a medical red flag, it is hard to see Giles falling to the 2nd round.  The Lakers have a late 1st, the Nets have 2 late 1sts, the Magic have a late 1st and the Blazers have 3 1sts (currently 12th, 20th and 27th). 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: slamtheking on March 14, 2017, 10:53:59 PM
I think that if he gets a first round promise he comes out. At least he's guaranteed $$$, even at the very end of the first.

If no promise, despite what I've been thinking all along that he will definitely come out, I think that Giles gambles and stays in school.

If he opts to come out and gets picked 2nd round, he's guaranteed nothing and has to fight for a spot on team. If he ever gets injured in that scenario, fighting for a spot on a team and a contract, he's done value-wise.

If he returns to Duke, he gets an education, and if he's lucky, continues to get stronger and proves himself next year with lottery position. Of course, if he gets hurt again, he's cooked.

It's a gamble, either way.

Personally I think he comes out with a promise from a playoff team with some talent already that they can take a chance on him.  San Antonio and Toronto come to mind. Utah has two late firsts, including #30. They could be in play too.

I guess that there is one other scenario. If he declares and is not taken until the second round, maybe he can get a pro contract overseas. I don't know how that works though. (guaranteed$$$, length, etc) 
that's a tough situation for him -- declare over concerns he blows out his knee if he returns to school or declare and take a chance he slides to the second round.

if it's the latter situation and the C's have a shot at him with the Minny pick (which I just cannot see him lasting anywhere near the second round -- some GM will take a chance on him late in the first round), I can only hope they pick him. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: csfansince60s on March 14, 2017, 11:21:07 PM
I think that if he gets a first round promise he comes out. At least he's guaranteed $$$, even at the very end of the first.

If no promise, despite what I've been thinking all along that he will definitely come out, I think that Giles gambles and stays in school.

If he opts to come out and gets picked 2nd round, he's guaranteed nothing and has to fight for a spot on team. If he ever gets injured in that scenario, fighting for a spot on a team and a contract, he's done value-wise.

If he returns to Duke, he gets an education, and if he's lucky, continues to get stronger and proves himself next year with lottery position. Of course, if he gets hurt again, he's cooked.

It's a gamble, either way.

Personally I think he comes out with a promise from a playoff team with some talent already that they can take a chance on him.  San Antonio and Toronto come to mind. Utah has two late firsts, including #30. They could be in play too.

I guess that there is one other scenario. If he declares and is not taken until the second round, maybe he can get a pro contract overseas. I don't know how that works though. (guaranteed$$$, length, etc) 
that's a tough situation for him -- declare over concerns he blows out his knee if he returns to school or declare and take a chance he slides to the second round.

if it's the latter situation and the C's have a shot at him with the Minny pick (which I just cannot see him lasting anywhere near the second round -- some GM will take a chance on him late in the first round), I can only hope they pick him.

I feel real bad for the kid, being in the predicament he is in.

Selfishly, I too hope he lasts till our Minny pick, but for his sake, I hope you and tazz are correct and he is taken late first, if not sooner. He deserves some luck.

To see his draft stock go from preseason top 5 pick to where his value is now really sucks for him and his family.

Workouts for teams will be huge for him as to if and when he is picked. But right there is another dilemma, right? Don't workout, and "he's hiding something"; work out and risk injury and/or underperforming.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 14, 2017, 11:46:41 PM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
AB has so much more value than Giles its nuts. You're trading an All-NBA 1st team defensive player that shoots over 40% from three and averages 17PPG and 6RPG for a kid who has looked lost in college, who has a bum knee, who is going to need years to put on enough muscle and mass to play at the PF and C position and who has ever only looked good versus highschoolers. No way I make that trade if I am Ainge. If I am trading Bradley its for a proven, veteran upgrade, not a reach of a teenage rookie.
That's understood you are more concerned with the present. I'm thinking future. Giles could develop into a legit PF. And I really don't see team resigning AB when his contract is up. Would like to see the team move on from AB on draft night and get a big while they can instead of losing AB for nothing.
Its a horrid trade...doesn't matter how you are thinking...past, present, future. A sure thing like Bradley, if you move on from him, you trade him and maybe a pick or another player for an upgrade in the frontcourt that helps this team move into contender status, now and for the next few years. This team is building towards winning now AND the future. You don't move Bradley for someone who's best case scenario might be an oft injured, too skinny, frontcourt player that might show potential to reach AB's level of player, maybe, in 6 or 7 years. That's just bad roster management.
You are over exaggerating the value of AB. Its not a horrid trade because AB doesn't have a lot of value. You can't just simply trade him (an expiring contract and injured often player) for an upgrade by giving up a pick or two. If you want an upgrade try a Nets pick. Because what team is going to give up a better player in that scenario when they may not resign him either? Bad roster mangment is keeping guys too long when they won't be here for a championship ie Bass and Turner. Taking a shot on a guy (like I said, if he clears medically) that was once the #1 High school prospect for a guy who is going to be gone anyways is a savvy gamble.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: tazzmaniac on March 14, 2017, 11:57:02 PM
I think that if he gets a first round promise he comes out. At least he's guaranteed $$$, even at the very end of the first.

If no promise, despite what I've been thinking all along that he will definitely come out, I think that Giles gambles and stays in school.

If he opts to come out and gets picked 2nd round, he's guaranteed nothing and has to fight for a spot on team. If he ever gets injured in that scenario, fighting for a spot on a team and a contract, he's done value-wise.

If he returns to Duke, he gets an education, and if he's lucky, continues to get stronger and proves himself next year with lottery position. Of course, if he gets hurt again, he's cooked.

It's a gamble, either way.

Personally I think he comes out with a promise from a playoff team with some talent already that they can take a chance on him.  San Antonio and Toronto come to mind. Utah has two late firsts, including #30. They could be in play too.

I guess that there is one other scenario. If he declares and is not taken until the second round, maybe he can get a pro contract overseas. I don't know how that works though. (guaranteed$$$, length, etc) 
that's a tough situation for him -- declare over concerns he blows out his knee if he returns to school or declare and take a chance he slides to the second round.

if it's the latter situation and the C's have a shot at him with the Minny pick (which I just cannot see him lasting anywhere near the second round -- some GM will take a chance on him late in the first round), I can only hope they pick him.

I feel real bad for the kid, being in the predicament he is in.

Selfishly, I too hope he lasts till our Minny pick, but for his sake, I hope you and tazz are correct and he is taken late first, if not sooner. He deserves some luck.

To see his draft stock go from preseason top 5 pick to where his value is now really sucks for him and his family.

Workouts for teams will be huge for him as to if and when he is picked. But right there is another dilemma, right? Don't workout, and "he's hiding something"; work out and risk injury and/or underperforming.
Even the projected top pick has to do individual workouts for the top team or two.  There is absolutely no way Giles could get away without working out.  If he underperforms, he can just go back to Duke for his sophomore season.  As for injury risk, he's playing for Duke now so workouts shouldn't be anymore of a concern. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on March 15, 2017, 12:23:43 AM
The injuries suck. Really bad. Take away the knee injuries and this kid projected as the next KG. Freak athlete, natural feel for rebounding, huge competitive fire.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on March 15, 2017, 12:26:49 AM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
AB has so much more value than Giles its nuts. You're trading an All-NBA 1st team defensive player that shoots over 40% from three and averages 17PPG and 6RPG for a kid who has looked lost in college, who has a bum knee, who is going to need years to put on enough muscle and mass to play at the PF and C position and who has ever only looked good versus highschoolers. No way I make that trade if I am Ainge. If I am trading Bradley its for a proven, veteran upgrade, not a reach of a teenage rookie.
That's understood you are more concerned with the present. I'm thinking future. Giles could develop into a legit PF. And I really don't see team resigning AB when his contract is up. Would like to see the team move on from AB on draft night and get a big while they can instead of losing AB for nothing.
Its a horrid trade...doesn't matter how you are thinking...past, present, future. A sure thing like Bradley, if you move on from him, you trade him and maybe a pick or another player for an upgrade in the frontcourt that helps this team move into contender status, now and for the next few years. This team is building towards winning now AND the future. You don't move Bradley for someone who's best case scenario might be an oft injured, too skinny, frontcourt player that might show potential to reach AB's level of player, maybe, in 6 or 7 years. That's just bad roster management.
You are over exaggerating the value of AB. Its not a horrid trade because AB doesn't have a lot of value. You can't just simply trade him (an expiring contract and injured often player) for an upgrade by giving up a pick or two. If you want an upgrade try a Nets pick. Because what team is going to give up a better player in that scenario when they may not resign him either? Bad roster mangment is keeping guys too long when they won't be here for a championship ie Bass and Turner. Taking a shot on a guy (like I said, if he clears medically) that was once the #1 High school prospect for a guy who is going to be gone anyways is a savvy gamble.
Bradley has ton of value, more value than the late first round pick you would be giving him away for to draft an untested Giles. Bradley had an injury this year but is not injury prone and the one year deal will mean nothing to a team that would want to have his bird rights to be able to sign him long term. Bradley and Crowder or a pick could land you a major upgrade in the frontcourt. Sorry but you are seriously underestimating his value. GMs who arent tanking will greatly value AB and what he brings to a team.

This team isn't into collecting assets mode any longer. It using the assets to get better. You don't trade a near All-Star level player for a kid with tons of questions that might take as much as 6 years to reach a ceiling that may never be as high as Bradley's play is now.

This team is bringing in as many as 3-4 rookies next year. They will still have Brown, Rozier and Jackson on the roster. This team doesn't need to trade a proven, high quality starter for a project rookie. Thats just not where management on this team is right now. Its where fanboys who are in love with teenagers are at, but not Ainge and his management team.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 15, 2017, 05:02:54 AM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
AB has so much more value than Giles its nuts. You're trading an All-NBA 1st team defensive player that shoots over 40% from three and averages 17PPG and 6RPG for a kid who has looked lost in college, who has a bum knee, who is going to need years to put on enough muscle and mass to play at the PF and C position and who has ever only looked good versus highschoolers. No way I make that trade if I am Ainge. If I am trading Bradley its for a proven, veteran upgrade, not a reach of a teenage rookie.
That's understood you are more concerned with the present. I'm thinking future. Giles could develop into a legit PF. And I really don't see team resigning AB when his contract is up. Would like to see the team move on from AB on draft night and get a big while they can instead of losing AB for nothing.
Its a horrid trade...doesn't matter how you are thinking...past, present, future. A sure thing like Bradley, if you move on from him, you trade him and maybe a pick or another player for an upgrade in the frontcourt that helps this team move into contender status, now and for the next few years. This team is building towards winning now AND the future. You don't move Bradley for someone who's best case scenario might be an oft injured, too skinny, frontcourt player that might show potential to reach AB's level of player, maybe, in 6 or 7 years. That's just bad roster management.
You are over exaggerating the value of AB. Its not a horrid trade because AB doesn't have a lot of value. You can't just simply trade him (an expiring contract and injured often player) for an upgrade by giving up a pick or two. If you want an upgrade try a Nets pick. Because what team is going to give up a better player in that scenario when they may not resign him either? Bad roster mangment is keeping guys too long when they won't be here for a championship ie Bass and Turner. Taking a shot on a guy (like I said, if he clears medically) that was once the #1 High school prospect for a guy who is going to be gone anyways is a savvy gamble.
Bradley has ton of value, more value than the late first round pick you would be giving him away for to draft an untested Giles. Bradley had an injury this year but is not injury prone and the one year deal will mean nothing to a team that would want to have his bird rights to be able to sign him long term. Bradley and Crowder or a pick could land you a major upgrade in the frontcourt. Sorry but you are seriously underestimating his value. GMs who arent tanking will greatly value AB and what he brings to a team.

This team isn't into collecting assets mode any longer. It using the assets to get better. You don't trade a near All-Star level player for a kid with tons of questions that might take as much as 6 years to reach a ceiling that may never be as high as Bradley's play is now.

This team is bringing in as many as 3-4 rookies next year. They will still have Brown, Rozier and Jackson on the roster. This team doesn't need to trade a proven, high quality starter for a project rookie. Thats just not where management on this team is right now. Its where fanboys who are in love with teenagers are at, but not Ainge and his management team.
Are you kidding me. AB is very injury prone if you count playoffs. While C's aren't no championship team or even a contender. We don't have a top ten player. And the team's best player is a one-way player that will also be up for a contract soon (asking for Brinks trucks too smh). The trade price for top players also keeps rising and we have yet to secure one after years of trying for fireworks. That's where this team is.
C's need to continue to collect assets and stop making the mistake of keeping guys till they expire when they really could be flipping them for more trade ammo. It's green teamers that can't see beyond a single year that want to keep guys and lose them for nothing. How many times are we going to say its for the sake of a go no where run to build for "culture"?  Nah that's what we made fun of Magic, Hawks and Bulls for man. It will always be about championships and you do what you have to to get there. Most of the time that requires draft luck no one has won a championship without draft luck. So don't knock any one who says let's flip a guy who isn't going to be here long term for a pick when we don't have a contender. Remember that's how Spurs got Leonard or Lakers got Kobe. They flipped established players for a pick.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: RockinRyA on March 15, 2017, 07:02:17 AM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
AB has so much more value than Giles its nuts. You're trading an All-NBA 1st team defensive player that shoots over 40% from three and averages 17PPG and 6RPG for a kid who has looked lost in college, who has a bum knee, who is going to need years to put on enough muscle and mass to play at the PF and C position and who has ever only looked good versus highschoolers. No way I make that trade if I am Ainge. If I am trading Bradley its for a proven, veteran upgrade, not a reach of a teenage rookie.
That's understood you are more concerned with the present. I'm thinking future. Giles could develop into a legit PF. And I really don't see team resigning AB when his contract is up. Would like to see the team move on from AB on draft night and get a big while they can instead of losing AB for nothing.
Its a horrid trade...doesn't matter how you are thinking...past, present, future. A sure thing like Bradley, if you move on from him, you trade him and maybe a pick or another player for an upgrade in the frontcourt that helps this team move into contender status, now and for the next few years. This team is building towards winning now AND the future. You don't move Bradley for someone who's best case scenario might be an oft injured, too skinny, frontcourt player that might show potential to reach AB's level of player, maybe, in 6 or 7 years. That's just bad roster management.
You are over exaggerating the value of AB. Its not a horrid trade because AB doesn't have a lot of value. You can't just simply trade him (an expiring contract and injured often player) for an upgrade by giving up a pick or two. If you want an upgrade try a Nets pick. Because what team is going to give up a better player in that scenario when they may not resign him either? Bad roster mangment is keeping guys too long when they won't be here for a championship ie Bass and Turner. Taking a shot on a guy (like I said, if he clears medically) that was once the #1 High school prospect for a guy who is going to be gone anyways is a savvy gamble.
Bradley has ton of value, more value than the late first round pick you would be giving him away for to draft an untested Giles. Bradley had an injury this year but is not injury prone and the one year deal will mean nothing to a team that would want to have his bird rights to be able to sign him long term. Bradley and Crowder or a pick could land you a major upgrade in the frontcourt. Sorry but you are seriously underestimating his value. GMs who arent tanking will greatly value AB and what he brings to a team.

This team isn't into collecting assets mode any longer. It using the assets to get better. You don't trade a near All-Star level player for a kid with tons of questions that might take as much as 6 years to reach a ceiling that may never be as high as Bradley's play is now.

This team is bringing in as many as 3-4 rookies next year. They will still have Brown, Rozier and Jackson on the roster. This team doesn't need to trade a proven, high quality starter for a project rookie. Thats just not where management on this team is right now. Its where fanboys who are in love with teenagers are at, but not Ainge and his management team.
Are you kidding me. AB is very injury prone if you count playoffs. While C's aren't no championship team or even a contender. We don't have a top ten player. And the team's best player is a one-way player that will also be up for a contract soon (asking for Brinks trucks too smh). The trade price for top players also keeps rising and we have yet to secure one after years of trying for fireworks. That's where this team is.
C's need to continue to collect assets and stop making the mistake of keeping guys till they expire when they really could be flipping them for more trade ammo. It's green teamers that can't see beyond a single year that want to keep guys and lose them for nothing. How many times are we going to say its for the sake of a go no where run to build for "culture"?  Nah that's what we made fun of Magic, Hawks and Bulls for man. It will always be about championships and you do what you have to to get there. Most of the time that requires draft luck no one has won a championship without draft luck. So don't knock any one who says let's flip a guy who isn't going to be here long term for a pick when we don't have a contender. Remember that's how Spurs got Leonard or Lakers got Kobe. They flipped established players for a pick.

If someone is pointing the gun at me and I have to trade Bradley for a pick, I wont be picking Giles.

Its so funny that you are so serious with a very very ridiculous idea.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 15, 2017, 08:23:36 AM
Would anyone who actually like Giles trade AB for him? I think if he clears medically and team was to land Fultz or Jackson. I'd pull the trigger.
AB has so much more value than Giles its nuts. You're trading an All-NBA 1st team defensive player that shoots over 40% from three and averages 17PPG and 6RPG for a kid who has looked lost in college, who has a bum knee, who is going to need years to put on enough muscle and mass to play at the PF and C position and who has ever only looked good versus highschoolers. No way I make that trade if I am Ainge. If I am trading Bradley its for a proven, veteran upgrade, not a reach of a teenage rookie.
That's understood you are more concerned with the present. I'm thinking future. Giles could develop into a legit PF. And I really don't see team resigning AB when his contract is up. Would like to see the team move on from AB on draft night and get a big while they can instead of losing AB for nothing.
Its a horrid trade...doesn't matter how you are thinking...past, present, future. A sure thing like Bradley, if you move on from him, you trade him and maybe a pick or another player for an upgrade in the frontcourt that helps this team move into contender status, now and for the next few years. This team is building towards winning now AND the future. You don't move Bradley for someone who's best case scenario might be an oft injured, too skinny, frontcourt player that might show potential to reach AB's level of player, maybe, in 6 or 7 years. That's just bad roster management.
You are over exaggerating the value of AB. Its not a horrid trade because AB doesn't have a lot of value. You can't just simply trade him (an expiring contract and injured often player) for an upgrade by giving up a pick or two. If you want an upgrade try a Nets pick. Because what team is going to give up a better player in that scenario when they may not resign him either? Bad roster mangment is keeping guys too long when they won't be here for a championship ie Bass and Turner. Taking a shot on a guy (like I said, if he clears medically) that was once the #1 High school prospect for a guy who is going to be gone anyways is a savvy gamble.
Bradley has ton of value, more value than the late first round pick you would be giving him away for to draft an untested Giles. Bradley had an injury this year but is not injury prone and the one year deal will mean nothing to a team that would want to have his bird rights to be able to sign him long term. Bradley and Crowder or a pick could land you a major upgrade in the frontcourt. Sorry but you are seriously underestimating his value. GMs who arent tanking will greatly value AB and what he brings to a team.

This team isn't into collecting assets mode any longer. It using the assets to get better. You don't trade a near All-Star level player for a kid with tons of questions that might take as much as 6 years to reach a ceiling that may never be as high as Bradley's play is now.

This team is bringing in as many as 3-4 rookies next year. They will still have Brown, Rozier and Jackson on the roster. This team doesn't need to trade a proven, high quality starter for a project rookie. Thats just not where management on this team is right now. Its where fanboys who are in love with teenagers are at, but not Ainge and his management team.
Are you kidding me. AB is very injury prone if you count playoffs. While C's aren't no championship team or even a contender. We don't have a top ten player. And the team's best player is a one-way player that will also be up for a contract soon (asking for Brinks trucks too smh). The trade price for top players also keeps rising and we have yet to secure one after years of trying for fireworks. That's where this team is.
C's need to continue to collect assets and stop making the mistake of keeping guys till they expire when they really could be flipping them for more trade ammo. It's green teamers that can't see beyond a single year that want to keep guys and lose them for nothing. How many times are we going to say its for the sake of a go no where run to build for "culture"?  Nah that's what we made fun of Magic, Hawks and Bulls for man. It will always be about championships and you do what you have to to get there. Most of the time that requires draft luck no one has won a championship without draft luck. So don't knock any one who says let's flip a guy who isn't going to be here long term for a pick when we don't have a contender. Remember that's how Spurs got Leonard or Lakers got Kobe. They flipped established players for a pick.

If someone is pointing the gun at me and I have to trade Bradley for a pick, I wont be picking Giles.

Its so funny that you are so serious with a very very ridiculous idea.
It doesn't have to be Giles especially if he doesn't pass medical. What's ridiculous is everyone ignoring AB's up coming FA after this year. Same time as IT and Smart who are contributing far more than often injured AB. What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity? You should look to flip one of these guys and since DA can't get an established star might as well keep going the draft route. That's the point.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: SuddenFame on March 15, 2017, 07:59:41 PM
There's some buzz that Brooklyn might target Giles
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Somebody on March 15, 2017, 08:05:35 PM
There's some buzz that Brooklyn might target Giles
Who wouldn't fall to them. Btw if we really want Brooklyn to suck we need to hope that Jeremy Lin gets traded;he's the reason for these recent wins and close games
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Denis998 on March 15, 2017, 08:42:56 PM
There's some buzz that Brooklyn might target Giles
Who wouldn't fall to them. Btw if we really want Brooklyn to suck we need to hope that Jeremy Lin gets traded;he's the reason for these recent wins and close games
currently draftexpress has Giles going 25th to Brooklyn
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: triboy16f on March 19, 2017, 09:36:30 PM
Giles hasn't played much in the last 3 -4 games

Either coach is not impressed or he is "sore" - post surgery

It might be a better idea for Giles to stay back a year , play at 100 percent health then declare the year after

I doubt he will be drafted in the 1st round
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: csfansince60s on March 19, 2017, 09:38:23 PM
Giles hasn't played much in the last 3 -4 games

Either coach is not impressed or he is "sore" - post surgery

It might be a better idea for Giles to stay back a year , play at 100 percent health then declare the year after

I doubt he will be drafted in the 1st round

He'll declare if he gets a promise.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: chilidawg on March 19, 2017, 11:03:54 PM
Giles hasn't played much in the last 3 -4 games

Either coach is not impressed or he is "sore" - post surgery

It might be a better idea for Giles to stay back a year , play at 100 percent health then declare the year after
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I doubt he will be drafted in the 1st round
I think he's just not playing well.  Seems to lack toughness.  Needs to come back for another year.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: triboy16f on March 19, 2017, 11:10:40 PM
Giles hasn't played much in the last 3 -4 games

Either coach is not impressed or he is "sore" - post surgery

It might be a better idea for Giles to stay back a year , play at 100 percent health then declare the year after

I doubt he will be drafted in the 1st round

He'll declare if he gets a promise.

Yeah. Maybe in the 20s

Why go late when you have the tools to go early

Stay back another year
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Boris Badenov on March 19, 2017, 11:23:03 PM

If Giles declares, it's a pretty firm statement that he isn't expecting a full return from his injuries, IMO.

Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Boris Badenov on March 19, 2017, 11:36:25 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!

Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 19, 2017, 11:50:12 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Boris Badenov on March 20, 2017, 12:02:45 AM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

So you're saying that because we didn't suck really bad for a few years, we are on the treadmill?

Here are the other teams in the #11-13 range of conference standings in 2013-14:

Detroit Pistons
Orlando Magic
Denver Nuggets
New Orleans Pelicans
Sacramento Kings

Tell me which ones you'd rather switch places with, and why. You know, among all the other comparable teams who avoided that treadmill of mediocrity we are stuck on.


Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: hpantazo on March 20, 2017, 07:34:33 AM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

So you're saying that because we didn't suck really bad for a few years, we are on the treadmill?

Here are the other teams in the #11-13 range of conference standings in 2013-14:

Detroit Pistons
Orlando Magic
Denver Nuggets
New Orleans Pelicans
Sacramento Kings

Tell me which ones you'd rather switch places with, and why. You know, among all the other comparable teams who avoided that treadmill of mediocrity we are stuck on.

The NO Pelicans. I'd trade our whole roster for Anthony Davis, and now they have Cousins as well.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: saltlover on March 20, 2017, 09:26:12 AM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

So you're saying that because we didn't suck really bad for a few years, we are on the treadmill?

Here are the other teams in the #11-13 range of conference standings in 2013-14:

Detroit Pistons
Orlando Magic
Denver Nuggets
New Orleans Pelicans
Sacramento Kings

Tell me which ones you'd rather switch places with, and why. You know, among all the other comparable teams who avoided that treadmill of mediocrity we are stuck on.

The NO Pelicans. I'd trade our whole roster for Anthony Davis, and now they have Cousins as well.

Davis has 4 years left after this year on his contract.  Not once in those 4 seasons will New Orleans come within 5 wins of the Celtics for the same year.  I will take our franchise any day of the week.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: chilidawg on March 20, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
I think this is the Harry Giles thread.  If you want to have a thread about mediocrity, start your own.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 20, 2017, 08:49:09 PM
I think this is the Harry Giles thread.  If you want to have a thread about mediocrity, start your own.
Very true. But I'd taken Pelicans for the record. Or Kings preCousins trade.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Celtics4ever on March 20, 2017, 09:07:34 PM
Quote
If you want to have a thread about mediocrity, start your own.

Some might think that this applies to his play after an injury plagued and underwhelming year.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: chilidawg on March 21, 2017, 04:54:15 AM
Quote
If you want to have a thread about mediocrity, start your own.

Some might think that this applies to his play after an injury plagued and underwhelming year.

Hah!  Well done.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: SuddenFame on March 27, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

Yep. Bingo! Tp for you sir
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on March 27, 2017, 08:15:55 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

Yep. Bingo! Tp for you sir
So are you guys insinuating that the only way to being a contender is to completely bottom out and then rise to contendership through the draft? Because teams like Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas and Detroit would say that is completely wrong.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 27, 2017, 08:52:42 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

Yep. Bingo! Tp for you sir
So are you guys insinuating that the only way to being a contender is to completely bottom out and then rise to contendership through the draft? Because teams like Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas and Detroit would say that is completely wrong.
No one is suggesting such. I was saying C's have never been as bad as the worst but at the same time aren't contenders making them mediocre by NBA standards. Its probably a debate for another thread.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on March 27, 2017, 09:22:31 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

Yep. Bingo! Tp for you sir
So are you guys insinuating that the only way to being a contender is to completely bottom out and then rise to contendership through the draft? Because teams like Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas and Detroit would say that is completely wrong.
No one is suggesting such. I was saying C's have never been as bad as the worst but at the same time aren't contenders making them mediocre by NBA standards. Its probably a debate for another thread.
Celtics are about an hour and a half away from being in first place in the East. I think its fair to say they have moved beyond mediocrity. So your whole point that the Cs should trade players like IT or Bradley for more talent because thats the way to build a contender goes right out the window. They are now contenders and will only continue to be so as they get better by developing youth(Smart, Brown, both Nets picks) or trading assets for star players, which I think is more likely than you think. This team is beyond the collecting assets period. They are in the win now and in the future stage. Which is why teading a valuable asset and near All-Star level player like Bradley for Giles or anyone other than Fultz/Ball is ridiculous
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 27, 2017, 09:35:11 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

Yep. Bingo! Tp for you sir
So are you guys insinuating that the only way to being a contender is to completely bottom out and then rise to contendership through the draft? Because teams like Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas and Detroit would say that is completely wrong.
No one is suggesting such. I was saying C's have never been as bad as the worst but at the same time aren't contenders making them mediocre by NBA standards. Its probably a debate for another thread.
Celtics are about an hour and a half away from being in first place in the East. I think its fair to say they have moved beyond mediocrity. So your whole point that the Cs should trade players like IT or Bradley for more talent because thats the way to build a contender goes right out the window. They are now contenders and will only continue to be so as they get better by developing youth(Smart, Brown, both Nets picks) or trading assets for star players, which I think is more likely than you think. This team is beyond the collecting assets period. They are in the win now and in the future stage. Which is why teading a valuable asset and near All-Star level player like Bradley for Giles or anyone other than Fultz/Ball is ridiculous
First off its not final standings nor does standings make any team a contender just ask the Hawks. You are looking at fools gold if you are looking at standings today.

Beyond the contender vs mediocre debate just look at Spurs Leonard deal or better yet Pats team philosophy. Just because you are a in the hunt doesn't mean you stop looking to aquire younger talent to replace talent you can not retain anyways. There is a salary cap in the NBA. You have to realize C's can't hold on to everyone and we are not contenders despite current standings.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on March 27, 2017, 09:44:42 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

Yep. Bingo! Tp for you sir
So are you guys insinuating that the only way to being a contender is to completely bottom out and then rise to contendership through the draft? Because teams like Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas and Detroit would say that is completely wrong.
No one is suggesting such. I was saying C's have never been as bad as the worst but at the same time aren't contenders making them mediocre by NBA standards. Its probably a debate for another thread.
Celtics are about an hour and a half away from being in first place in the East. I think its fair to say they have moved beyond mediocrity. So your whole point that the Cs should trade players like IT or Bradley for more talent because thats the way to build a contender goes right out the window. They are now contenders and will only continue to be so as they get better by developing youth(Smart, Brown, both Nets picks) or trading assets for star players, which I think is more likely than you think. This team is beyond the collecting assets period. They are in the win now and in the future stage. Which is why teading a valuable asset and near All-Star level player like Bradley for Giles or anyone other than Fultz/Ball is ridiculous
First off it not final standings nor does standings make any team a contender just ask the Hawks. You are looking at fools gold if you are looking at standings today.

Beyond the contender vs mediocre debate just look at Spurs Leonard deal or better yet home Pats team philosophy. Just because you are a in the hunt doesn't mean you stop looking to aquire younger talent to replace talent you can not retain anyways. There is a salary cap in the NBA. You have to realize C's can't hold on to everyone and we are not contenders despite current standings.
Disagree with everything you said there except the Celtics have to stop looking for young talent. The great thing about the Pierce/KG trade is it now allows a contender like the Celtics to compete now for a chip as well as acquire and develop the best of the best young talent coming into the league.

Oh, and BTW, there is a salary cap and the Cs can go over it to keep players. So yes, they can resign players without just letting them go if they want
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 27, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

Yep. Bingo! Tp for you sir
So are you guys insinuating that the only way to being a contender is to completely bottom out and then rise to contendership through the draft? Because teams like Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas and Detroit would say that is completely wrong.
No one is suggesting such. I was saying C's have never been as bad as the worst but at the same time aren't contenders making them mediocre by NBA standards. Its probably a debate for another thread.
Celtics are about an hour and a half away from being in first place in the East. I think its fair to say they have moved beyond mediocrity. So your whole point that the Cs should trade players like IT or Bradley for more talent because thats the way to build a contender goes right out the window. They are now contenders and will only continue to be so as they get better by developing youth(Smart, Brown, both Nets picks) or trading assets for star players, which I think is more likely than you think. This team is beyond the collecting assets period. They are in the win now and in the future stage. Which is why teading a valuable asset and near All-Star level player like Bradley for Giles or anyone other than Fultz/Ball is ridiculous
First off it not final standings nor does standings make any team a contender just ask the Hawks. You are looking at fools gold if you are looking at standings today.

Beyond the contender vs mediocre debate just look at Spurs Leonard deal or better yet home Pats team philosophy. Just because you are a in the hunt doesn't mean you stop looking to aquire younger talent to replace talent you can not retain anyways. There is a salary cap in the NBA. You have to realize C's can't hold on to everyone and we are not contenders despite current standings.
Disagree with everything you said there except the Celtics have to stop looking for young talent. The great thing about the Pierce/KG trade is it now allows a contender like the Celtics to compete now for a chip as well as acquire and develop the best of the best young talent coming into the league.

Oh, and BTW, there is a salary cap and the Cs can go over it to keep players. So yes, they can resign players without just letting them go if they want
Disagree? Oh course you do you already called them contenders. And once again no they can't just retain people there is a luxary tax and repeater tax that makes the budget of a team unmanageable. It's a business first.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: nickagneta on March 27, 2017, 10:03:38 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

Yep. Bingo! Tp for you sir
So are you guys insinuating that the only way to being a contender is to completely bottom out and then rise to contendership through the draft? Because teams like Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas and Detroit would say that is completely wrong.
No one is suggesting such. I was saying C's have never been as bad as the worst but at the same time aren't contenders making them mediocre by NBA standards. Its probably a debate for another thread.
Celtics are about an hour and a half away from being in first place in the East. I think its fair to say they have moved beyond mediocrity. So your whole point that the Cs should trade players like IT or Bradley for more talent because thats the way to build a contender goes right out the window. They are now contenders and will only continue to be so as they get better by developing youth(Smart, Brown, both Nets picks) or trading assets for star players, which I think is more likely than you think. This team is beyond the collecting assets period. They are in the win now and in the future stage. Which is why teading a valuable asset and near All-Star level player like Bradley for Giles or anyone other than Fultz/Ball is ridiculous
First off it not final standings nor does standings make any team a contender just ask the Hawks. You are looking at fools gold if you are looking at standings today.

Beyond the contender vs mediocre debate just look at Spurs Leonard deal or better yet home Pats team philosophy. Just because you are a in the hunt doesn't mean you stop looking to aquire younger talent to replace talent you can not retain anyways. There is a salary cap in the NBA. You have to realize C's can't hold on to everyone and we are not contenders despite current standings.
Disagree with everything you said there except the Celtics have to stop looking for young talent. The great thing about the Pierce/KG trade is it now allows a contender like the Celtics to compete now for a chip as well as acquire and develop the best of the best young talent coming into the league.

Oh, and BTW, there is a salary cap and the Cs can go over it to keep players. So yes, they can resign players without just letting them go if they want
Disagree? Oh course you do you already called them contenders. And once again no they can't just retain people there is a luxary tax and repeater tax that makes the budget of a team unmanageable. It's a business first.
businessActually they can retain their talent by paying the luxury tax. They have before and will again.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Csfan1984 on March 27, 2017, 10:11:49 PM
What's the plan resign all three and remain on the treadmill of mediocrity?

2013-14: 12th in conference, 6th pick in the draft.
2014-15: 7th in conference, 16th pick in draft.
2015-16: 5th in conference, 3rd pick in draft.
2016-17: 2nd in conference, #1 lottery odds.

Ladies and gentlemen: Behold the treadmill of mediocrity!
Nice try. Even if you take something out of its full context, C's never been a contender those years and didnt bottom out. That's mediocrity.

Yep. Bingo! Tp for you sir
So are you guys insinuating that the only way to being a contender is to completely bottom out and then rise to contendership through the draft? Because teams like Los Angeles, Miami, Dallas and Detroit would say that is completely wrong.
No one is suggesting such. I was saying C's have never been as bad as the worst but at the same time aren't contenders making them mediocre by NBA standards. Its probably a debate for another thread.
Celtics are about an hour and a half away from being in first place in the East. I think its fair to say they have moved beyond mediocrity. So your whole point that the Cs should trade players like IT or Bradley for more talent because thats the way to build a contender goes right out the window. They are now contenders and will only continue to be so as they get better by developing youth(Smart, Brown, both Nets picks) or trading assets for star players, which I think is more likely than you think. This team is beyond the collecting assets period. They are in the win now and in the future stage. Which is why teading a valuable asset and near All-Star level player like Bradley for Giles or anyone other than Fultz/Ball is ridiculous
First off it not final standings nor does standings make any team a contender just ask the Hawks. You are looking at fools gold if you are looking at standings today.

Beyond the contender vs mediocre debate just look at Spurs Leonard deal or better yet home Pats team philosophy. Just because you are a in the hunt doesn't mean you stop looking to aquire younger talent to replace talent you can not retain anyways. There is a salary cap in the NBA. You have to realize C's can't hold on to everyone and we are not contenders despite current standings.
Disagree with everything you said there except the Celtics have to stop looking for young talent. The great thing about the Pierce/KG trade is it now allows a contender like the Celtics to compete now for a chip as well as acquire and develop the best of the best young talent coming into the league.

Oh, and BTW, there is a salary cap and the Cs can go over it to keep players. So yes, they can resign players without just letting them go if they want
Disagree? Oh course you do you already called them contenders. And once again no they can't just retain people there is a luxary tax and repeater tax that makes the budget of a team unmanageable. It's a business first.
businessActually they can retain their talent by paying the luxury tax. They have before and will again.
You have on some seriously dark green glasses. IT is already asking for the Brinks truck. AB has complained about his pay and wants Beal $. Smart wants his money and/or a chance to start. KO, JJ, AJ are all up this year. C's are going to target Griffin and Hayward in FA. Say they get Hayward with Smart, AB, IT all resigned it would be over the cap by like $70 million in 2019 and thats counting on the cap rising! No way they doing that. When they were doing that it was different cause the tax is way down compared to now with repeater.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: TA9 on March 28, 2017, 02:33:16 PM
Probably not a surpise, but Harry Giles is entering the NBA Draft:
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Harry Giles has announced he will declare for the 2017 NBA Draft after one season at Duke.

Giles is expected to be a mid-first round pick. Giles was previously considered a probable top-5 pick in this draft class before suffering a number of injuries.

Giles tore the ACL in his right knee when a high school senior and then underwent left knee surgery in October, which limited his appearances with Duke.

Giles averaged 3.9 points and 3.8 rebounds in 11.5 minutes with Duke.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft)

Wonder how much he will fall in the actual draft due to all the red flags.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Big333223 on March 28, 2017, 02:57:02 PM
Probably not a surpise, but Harry Giles is entering the NBA Draft:
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Harry Giles has announced he will declare for the 2017 NBA Draft after one season at Duke.

Giles is expected to be a mid-first round pick. Giles was previously considered a probable top-5 pick in this draft class before suffering a number of injuries.

Giles tore the ACL in his right knee when a high school senior and then underwent left knee surgery in October, which limited his appearances with Duke.

Giles averaged 3.9 points and 3.8 rebounds in 11.5 minutes with Duke.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft)

Wonder how much he will fall in the actual draft due to all the red flags.
I think the smart thing for him to do would've been to play another year at Duke and work himself back into the top 5 conversation. That he's decided to enter the draft this year feels like he/the people around him don't have confidence that another year would improve his stock, and if that's the case I'd be nervous about drafting him.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 28, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
Probably not a surpise, but Harry Giles is entering the NBA Draft:
Quote
Harry Giles has announced he will declare for the 2017 NBA Draft after one season at Duke.

Giles is expected to be a mid-first round pick. Giles was previously considered a probable top-5 pick in this draft class before suffering a number of injuries.

Giles tore the ACL in his right knee when a high school senior and then underwent left knee surgery in October, which limited his appearances with Duke.

Giles averaged 3.9 points and 3.8 rebounds in 11.5 minutes with Duke.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft)

Wonder how much he will fall in the actual draft due to all the red flags.
I think the smart thing for him to do would've been to play another year at Duke and work himself back into the top 5 conversation. That he's decided to enter the draft this year feels like he/the people around him don't have confidence that another year would improve his stock, and if that's the case I'd be nervous about drafting him.
yes, on one level, returning for year to increase his draft ranking would make him more money.

however, the potential, and very serious, drawback is that during his next year in college he blows out his knee once more.

such an accident could very well end his career, let alone further worsen his draft position.

the choice, it seems to me, is to take the sure thing now, or, gamble with the downside of losing everything. tough choice.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: notthebowler on March 28, 2017, 03:22:01 PM
Probably not a surpise, but Harry Giles is entering the NBA Draft:
Quote
Harry Giles has announced he will declare for the 2017 NBA Draft after one season at Duke.

Giles is expected to be a mid-first round pick. Giles was previously considered a probable top-5 pick in this draft class before suffering a number of injuries.

Giles tore the ACL in his right knee when a high school senior and then underwent left knee surgery in October, which limited his appearances with Duke.

Giles averaged 3.9 points and 3.8 rebounds in 11.5 minutes with Duke.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft)

Wonder how much he will fall in the actual draft due to all the red flags.
I think the smart thing for him to do would've been to play another year at Duke and work himself back into the top 5 conversation. That he's decided to enter the draft this year feels like he/the people around him don't have confidence that another year would improve his stock, and if that's the case I'd be nervous about drafting him.

Of course, pre-draft physicals will have a huge impact on where he ends up (to the extent he and his agent allow a physical to be performed).

Beyond that, I just can't see him falling too far.  There comes a point in the first round where you are most likely getting a role player anyway; why not take a chance on Giles?  To me, Portland is in the perfect situation to draft him, since they have 3 first round picks.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Big333223 on March 28, 2017, 04:58:06 PM
Probably not a surpise, but Harry Giles is entering the NBA Draft:
Quote
Harry Giles has announced he will declare for the 2017 NBA Draft after one season at Duke.

Giles is expected to be a mid-first round pick. Giles was previously considered a probable top-5 pick in this draft class before suffering a number of injuries.

Giles tore the ACL in his right knee when a high school senior and then underwent left knee surgery in October, which limited his appearances with Duke.

Giles averaged 3.9 points and 3.8 rebounds in 11.5 minutes with Duke.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft)

Wonder how much he will fall in the actual draft due to all the red flags.
I think the smart thing for him to do would've been to play another year at Duke and work himself back into the top 5 conversation. That he's decided to enter the draft this year feels like he/the people around him don't have confidence that another year would improve his stock, and if that's the case I'd be nervous about drafting him.
yes, on one level, returning for year to increase his draft ranking would make him more money.

however, the potential, and very serious, drawback is that during his next year in college he blows out his knee once more.

such an accident could very well end his career, let alone further worsen his draft position.

the choice, it seems to me, is to take the sure thing now, or, gamble with the downside of losing everything. tough choice.
Exactly. Since he's decided it's not worth taking that risk, a team thinking about drafting him might also have to conclude the same and not draft him.

Obviously, if team doctors clear him you might still take that chance. But the fact that he or the people around him don't want to chance another year in college, makes me more nervous.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: triboy16f on June 07, 2017, 08:57:00 PM
i wonder if Danny will try to get Giles to come in for a workout...

reading he looks much more explosive than he did several months ago

Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: mqtcelticsfan on June 07, 2017, 09:37:23 PM
i wonder if Danny will try to get Giles to come in for a workout...

reading he looks much more explosive than he did several months ago

I'm all for leaving no stone unturned, but I don't see how it would matter. He's not worth the top pick at this point and we aren't likely going to add another lottery pick.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: saltlover on June 07, 2017, 10:05:43 PM
Probably not a surpise, but Harry Giles is entering the NBA Draft:
Quote
Harry Giles has announced he will declare for the 2017 NBA Draft after one season at Duke.

Giles is expected to be a mid-first round pick. Giles was previously considered a probable top-5 pick in this draft class before suffering a number of injuries.

Giles tore the ACL in his right knee when a high school senior and then underwent left knee surgery in October, which limited his appearances with Duke.

Giles averaged 3.9 points and 3.8 rebounds in 11.5 minutes with Duke.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/245435/Harry-Giles-Leaving-Duke-For-2017-NBA-Draft)

Wonder how much he will fall in the actual draft due to all the red flags.
I think the smart thing for him to do would've been to play another year at Duke and work himself back into the top 5 conversation. That he's decided to enter the draft this year feels like he/the people around him don't have confidence that another year would improve his stock, and if that's the case I'd be nervous about drafting him.
yes, on one level, returning for year to increase his draft ranking would make him more money.

however, the potential, and very serious, drawback is that during his next year in college he blows out his knee once more.

such an accident could very well end his career, let alone further worsen his draft position.

the choice, it seems to me, is to take the sure thing now, or, gamble with the downside of losing everything. tough choice.
Exactly. Since he's decided it's not worth taking that risk, a team thinking about drafting him might also have to conclude the same and not draft him.

Obviously, if team doctors clear him you might still take that chance. But the fact that he or the people around him don't want to chance another year in college, makes me more nervous.

How about this angle: He loves playing basketball, and he didn't get to play for the better part of two years.  In college there a few games and limited practice, and he'd rather spend a season in the D-league getting back his form than he would in college.  Money isn't as important to him, because he knows he'll get paid anyway, and he just wants to get back on the court as much as he can.

EDIT:  Didn't realize this was a necro'd thread and I was responding to a 10-week old post.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: matteo on October 06, 2017, 04:36:06 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/916400430061465600

Harry Giles will be out until January to work on strengthening his knees
(@TheSteinLine)
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: tazzmaniac on October 06, 2017, 04:38:23 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/916400430061465600

Harry Giles will be out until January to work on strengthening his knees
(@TheSteinLine)
Smart move.  If they have to they should just sit him for the year. 
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: CelticsElite on October 06, 2017, 04:39:50 PM
Bust
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: jaketwice on October 06, 2017, 05:15:44 PM
Bust

Great hair though (https://media.gq.com/photos/5903a7daeb1feb7c1b66dc96/master/w_800/harry-styles-hair-line.jpg)
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: Smartacus on October 06, 2017, 06:34:45 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/916400430061465600

Harry Giles will be out until January to work on strengthening his knees
(@TheSteinLine)
Smart move.  If they have to they should just sit him for the year.

Definitely no rush, see what they have with Skal, WCS, and Papagiannis and let Zach Randolph establish his niche on the team.
Title: Re: Harry Giles Thread (Merged)
Post by: IDreamCeltics on October 11, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/916400430061465600

Harry Giles will be out until January to work on strengthening his knees
(@TheSteinLine)
Smart move.  If they have to they should just sit him for the year.

Definitely no rush, see what they have with Skal, WCS, and Papagiannis and let Zach Randolph establish his niche on the team.

Yikes, 4 months away from basketball to work on strengthening his knees?  Those things are TOAST!