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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: chambers on August 05, 2016, 07:07:21 AM
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May be a contender for the #1 pick after a season at Florida State.
Good range, amazing size and solid skills for his size.
Still growing too with 9'1" standing reach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi8i66mP7-I#t=52
Any thoughts on how high he might go? Obviously needs a solid college season under his belt but he's a physical phenomenon.
Bonus: A short clip of Trae Young, PG, who has committed to Kentucky in 17'...the next Chris Paul?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOhVh7Nvjd8
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Obligatory highlight reel skepticism comment...
But wow!
Kid looks like a player.
I love watching this team win games while simultaneously enjoying the prospect of another high draft pick.
Dear Nets franchise,
Thanks for giving us your future.
Sincerely,
Celtics Nation
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Fun to watch. Get that young man a cheeseburger!
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It really puts into perspective how this rebuild gets the best of all the worlds. We get to build a team slowly and surely of a contender using shrewd pickups and developing it the way we want. We get to win games and fight for a playoff spot, get better every year, and begin to attracy medium to high level free agents. Oh and the entire time we get to add at the worst top 10 picks to a winning core year after year.
Danny is building an excellent team on the broken backs of a division rival. Truly unprecedented.
This kid looks good. Would be a great consolatolion prize if the pick winds up 3-5 lol.
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The other upside is that we're bringing these high drafts picks into a team that is already competing so they're learning good habits early and hopefully learning that winning is something that is expected of them.
This is why, as much as I want this team competing for a championship today, it might be the smarter move to horde these brooklyn picks and draft a base of players that can compete, in a few seasons, for 15 years, not just the next 4.
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Nowhere near as athletic as KD. He has some handles but that highlight reel didn't impress me at all.
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I was reading somewhere (Chad Ford?) where it said this guy was essentially playing this year's role of Brandon Ingram. Tall, lanky scorer.
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I like him. He's probably my favorite of the guys not viewed as the top players in the class.
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Is he better than Giles? He looks extremely skinny. We appears to be a decent shooter, but does he have the explosive first step to score as a slasher too?
He's joining Florida State. It will be interesting to see how he does there.
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nbadraft.net has him currently 5th
draftexpress has him currently 12th
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Have to say he looks like a less explosive Greek freak. He can do a little of everything. He is climbing on my draft board.
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Highlight reels like this are very misleading in my opinion. The talent at the NCAA level and especially the pros is such a leap. I would expect any lottery pick to have a good pre-college mix tape. He is definitely one to keep an eye but it is much to early to speculate about the draft.
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Highlight reels like this are very misleading in my opinion. The talent at the NCAA level and especially the pros is such a leap. I would expect any lottery pick to have a good pre-college mix tape. He is definitely one to keep an eye but it is much to early to speculate about the draft.
That's why there is a big board guys move up and down as the season goes.
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Was just going to start a thread on him when I noticed this one.
Having watch two of Isaacs games this season I am really intrigued by his long term potential.
At this stage in his development what stands out to me is his ability to shoot, lateral quickness on D, and his ability to play big on defense.
By playing big I mean how he is able to use his length to disrupt offensive players. This was one thing that always stood out to me about the similarly build Brandon Ingram. Ingram and Isaac have similar shot blocking numbers but in isaac I see a player who seems more comfortable in the paint as a traditional big giving help, where Ingram was more of the chase down style shot blocker. With much needed added strength I see Isaac as a NBA modern PF rather then the SF he is currently listed as.
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We should all be paying attention to him...why?
Because he is one of only 3 lottery projected players to currently have a PER of over 30.
The other two?
Markelle Fultz
Lauri Markkanen
Fine company indeed.
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Reminds me of Ingram. Needs to hang with Sully and add some pounds though. Top 7 pick
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nbadraft.net now has us taking him at #3.
Mike
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He is more athletic than Ingram in my opinion (which isn't worth much). Great upside.
This draft looks really, really good. I mean, in August-September of every year, people say that the draft looks really good, but when the prospects actually start playing, the tone normally changes. But this year looks really good.
I see a couple superstar-type talents and a ton of starter-fringe-all-star talents.
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The analysis I've heard is that this draft doesn't have the big superstars but it's very deep in good players.
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Just watched a couple tapes of him. Wow. Looks closer to Ingram or even Durant than any other player I've seen. Super skinny, but 6'10 with a 3pt shot, a handle, and punishing dunks. I imagine his length will help him overcome his bean pole body.
NBAdraft.net has him going #3 right now to the Celtics.
Has anyone seen him play or have any insights? I'm very interested in the player.
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I have this guy as my favorite outside of Fultz. His efficiency is so good right now.
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Just watched a couple tapes of him. Wow. Looks closer to Ingram or even Durant than any other player I've seen. Super skinny, but 6'10 with a 3pt shot, a handle, and punishing dunks. I imagine his length will help him overcome his bean pole body.
NBAdraft.net has him going #3 right now to the Celtics.
Has anyone seen him play or have any insights? I'm very interested in the player.
Could he just be Rashard Lewis?
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Being an FSU grad and b-ball fan, I've watched every game.
He's played Sunday in our victory over the Univ of Florida after sitting out the previous 3 games with a hip flexor.
We're really excited about him. He's a great rebounder as well as a ball handler.
The ACC schedule is right around the corner and now the cream will rise.
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I'd take any talent on the lottery as long as its not another PG.
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Being an FSU grad and b-ball fan, I've watched every game.
He's played Sunday in our victory over the Univ of Florida after sitting out the previous 3 games with a hip flexor.
We're really excited about him. He's a great rebounder as well as a ball handler.
The ACC schedule is right around the corner and now the cream will rise.
I like Isaac...a lot....I watched the Florida game too.
I know that Isaac is recovering from an injury, but Dwayne Bacon is the alpha dog on that team. He has improved his 3 ball tremendously (26% last year to over 40% this year), and he's matured tremendously.
I know he's not top 10, but I like him.
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I agree about Bacon and the crazy part is he's really trying to reel it in and share the ball.
At 6'7" with his toughness inside AND the 3, he's going to be a nice get for some team.
FSU has a nice squad this year.
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Reminds me of Ingram. Needs to hang with Sully and add some pounds though. Top 7 pick
That's actually a great idea. Will bring back Sullinger on a one-year contract, so he can grab a couple of rebounds and feed this kid Chick-fil-A Non stop.
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I think that Isaac could go top 5, depending on how long it takes to fully recover from his hip flexor injury suffered a few weeks ago.
He came back and was invisible for two games, but I think that they rushed him back to get some PT before the Conference games start this week. He will be on at 5 today on ESPN2
Here's an excellent article on him:
https://theringer.com/jonathan-isaac-is-an-elite-nba-prospect-hiding-in-plain-sight-cef54ab82d4#.qnewqcitm
Lots of great gifs in the article, too. Highly recommend.
Isaac is a lot like Brandon Ingram, the no. 2 pick in last year’s draft. Neither player possesses the ideal frame to support a ton of extra weight, which means adding core strength will be extremely important for them to reach their potential in the NBA. Guys like Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith Jr., and Miles Bridges have mature bodies that will allow them to physically compete at the next level right away. Isaac is still growing into his body, and, as such, will need more time to develop. Considering the impatience of most NBA franchises, that fact alone will make him one of the more polarizing prospects in this year’s draft. The good news is he already has 14 pounds on Ingram, who weighed only 196 pounds at the draft combine.
Unlike Ingram, who averaged nearly 35 minutes a game and got to dominate the ball on a Duke team with a short rotation last season, Isaac’s talents could be somewhat hidden on a deep Florida State team with a lot of other options on offense. If he doesn’t consistently put up big statistics, it will be hard for teams at the top of the lottery to take him over some of his more highly touted peers. DraftExpress has Isaac as the no. 7 pick in its mock draft, and he may end up being a steal if that’s the range he winds up being taken.
At the age of 19, he has shown the ability to defend multiple positions, shoot the ball, put it on the floor, create for himself and others, rebound, and protect the rim. His skill set would allow him to fit on almost any team in the lottery, and a player with his combination of size, shooting ability, and athleticism makes for a useful NBA player, even if he never develops any further. Isaac has a high floor, and an even higher ceiling. He’s a 6-foot-10 player who can do everything on the basketball court well, and there aren’t many players like that at any level of the game. Jonathan Isaac is not being talked about a lot right now, but that will change soon enough
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I like a Durant comparison but he doesn't dominate the ball. He's very efficient. NOT saying he's KD as KD was a beast from the start but that Isaac is smooooth like KD. He really does have a pretty shot as I've mentioned in the past and he's a sleeper for a top 5 pick. Not a sleeper anymore though.
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I like this kid. I think he's already better than Ingram defensively. The instincts are there.
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I'm watching him play rn and I'm surprised by how good he is defensively. The thing that bothers me is he missed the EASY game winner vs Temple.
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I like Isaac too. The word 'smooth' is a real apt way to describe him. I don't get why he's not being talked about more.
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Isaac is still behind Tatum and Jackson in the SF ranking
but in terms of who has the highest upside, it is Isaac
6'10 SF with 9'1 reach. Very good handles, shooter, willing passer, rebounder (even though slim)
He just needs to add 20 pounds to be able to play properly/efficiently at the NBA level
Between now and the NBA combine/workouts he proves he can add mass (even 5 pounds) ... i would take a chance on this kid.
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I like Isaac too. The word 'smooth' is a real apt way to describe him. I don't get why he's not being talked about more.
I think that the article above talks about that specifically:
Unlike Ingram, who averaged nearly 35 minutes a game and got to dominate the ball on a Duke team with a short rotation last season, Isaac’s talents could be somewhat hidden on a deep Florida State team with a lot of other options on offense.
I think that he is already a better prospect than Ingram. Similar build but 15 pounds heavier. Already a good defender both in skills and versatility. Same offensively, just without the ppg yet.
At the age of 19, he has shown the ability to defend multiple positions, shoot the ball, put it on the floor, create for himself and others, rebound, and protect the rim.
A healthy Giles is the only player that I take over Isaac right now.
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Can he move up to PF? I think we're pretty much set at SF with Brown
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I'm a big fan. I need to watch more of him, but he's definitely caught my eye.
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Can he move up to PF? I think we're pretty much set at SF with Brown
at the moment no...
He is 15 pounds away from able to play SF at the nba level... and prob need another 10-15 pounds on top of that to play PF at the NBA
but hey KG once was a scrawny kid. Anything is possible
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I am full.
If he falls to Celtics, we have to take him. This is why you do not trade the 2017 pick.
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I'm a big fan. I need to watch more of him, but he's definitely caught my eye.
same here... Not everyday you see 6'10 players with above average handles and smooth jump shot
in addition put it together and handle the ball, stop and pop in one motion
high level motor too. Will crash the boards.
Isaac has one of the highest upsides of the 2017 draft
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Jonathan Isaac FSU Full Highlights 11.15.16 vs. Iona - 20 Pts, 6 Rebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9bcil8pbck
Jonathan Isaac ( Florida State ) vs Minnesota // 11.28.16 // 14 Pts, 13 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV8Ywd4PRsU
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Jonathan Isaac FSU Full Highlights 11.15.16 vs. Iona - 20 Pts, 6 Rebs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9bcil8pbck
Jonathan Isaac ( Florida State ) vs Minnesota // 11.28.16 // 14 Pts, 13 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV8Ywd4PRsU
Issac could easily be the pick. The body control he showcases on those drives is so much more deliberate than what you typically see from Brandon Ingram.
Ingram is an artsy type outside the Basketball world and I think it shows in his demeanor and shot selection. Not that that necessarily a knock on him but I do think that Isaac looks a bit more serious and deliberate in his actions.
Great mechanics on his shooting. Positional versatility. Someone to matchup with Durant when we play the warriors in the finals. 8)
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He'd be a good pick. Athletic pf. He is skinny but plays tough.
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Jonathan Isaac ( Florida State ) vs Minnesota // 11.28.16 // 14 Pts, 13 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV8Ywd4PRsU
Ha at 2:02 I'm screaming at my screen to get Isaac the ball and the kid playing point guard did not disappoint!
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Can he move up to PF? I think we're pretty much set at SF with Brown
at the moment no...
He is 15 pounds away from able to play SF at the nba level... and prob need another 10-15 pounds on top of that to play PF at the NBA
but hey KG once was a scrawny kid. Anything is possible
Urg...I'd like Giles
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A back-up plan in case we got the fifth pick.
How does this sound.
A 6'10" Power Forward, with over a 9 foot standing reach. Who can shoot the three at .375%.
He knocks down free throws at .800%. shoots .533% from the field, and .654% from two.
He's got great feet and can switch onto almost anyone. Great handles, decent passer but does need to add weight and strength to play more PF.
Here are his strengths from Draft Express.
Strengths
-Great size and reach for a combo forward – 6' 10.5” with a 7' 1.25” wingspan and 9' 0.5” standing reach. Solid base considering how thin he is up top.
-Super fluid for his size. Good athlete who can play above the rim in space, especially off two feet.
-Excellent feet defensively. Can get in a stance and keep the ball in front vs PnR or switch ball screens. Fairly comfortable stepping out and guarding wings.
-Projectable shooting stroke. Solid mechanics. Range out to the college 3-point line. Can make a pull up jumper.
-Shows flashes of aggression going to the rim. Excellent ball handler for his size. Makes an effort to mix in slight hesitations.
-Improved passer.
-Made an effort to get in on the glass and rebound in traffic despite his frame. Reach and quick leaping ability allow him to go up and get boards.
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Anyone like they Idea of Isaac being a future stretch four for the Celtics.
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=TASD93Mn9t8
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I think by seasons end he might be the 3rd best player in the draft
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Might want to merge this with this other thread that I remembered from early December and bumped a couple of days ago:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=88005.0
I said this in that thread:
I think that Isaac could go top 5, depending on how long it takes to fully recover from his hip flexor injury suffered a few weeks ago.
He came back and was invisible for two games, but I think that they rushed him back to get some PT before the Conference games start this week. He will be on at 5 today on ESPN2
Here's an excellent article on him:
https://theringer.com/jonathan-isaac-is-an-elite-nba-prospect-hiding-in-plain-sight-cef54ab82d4#.qnewqcitm
Lots of great gifs in the article, too. Highly recommend.
Isaac is a lot like Brandon Ingram, the no. 2 pick in last year’s draft. Neither player possesses the ideal frame to support a ton of extra weight, which means adding core strength will be extremely important for them to reach their potential in the NBA. Guys like Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith Jr., and Miles Bridges have mature bodies that will allow them to physically compete at the next level right away. Isaac is still growing into his body, and, as such, will need more time to develop. Considering the impatience of most NBA franchises, that fact alone will make him one of the more polarizing prospects in this year’s draft. The good news is he already has 14 pounds on Ingram, who weighed only 196 pounds at the draft combine.
Unlike Ingram, who averaged nearly 35 minutes a game and got to dominate the ball on a Duke team with a short rotation last season, Isaac’s talents could be somewhat hidden on a deep Florida State team with a lot of other options on offense. If he doesn’t consistently put up big statistics, it will be hard for teams at the top of the lottery to take him over some of his more highly touted peers. DraftExpress has Isaac as the no. 7 pick in its mock draft, and he may end up being a steal if that’s the range he winds up being taken.
At the age of 19, he has shown the ability to defend multiple positions, shoot the ball, put it on the floor, create for himself and others, rebound, and protect the rim. His skill set would allow him to fit on almost any team in the lottery, and a player with his combination of size, shooting ability, and athleticism makes for a useful NBA player, even if he never develops any further. Isaac has a high floor, and an even higher ceiling. He’s a 6-foot-10 player who can do everything on the basketball court well, and there aren’t many players like that at any level of the game. Jonathan Isaac is not being talked about a lot right now, but that will change soon enough
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I liked the idea a lot last year at this time. I actually liked him as a SF, in the Durant mold. I have Sling TV and it comes with the ACC ESPN so I can actually watch his games. Honestly I turned off his last game and watched a movie, ... boring. He has talent but he's not as dynamic as his highlights. With his size and skill level he should really be dominating his opponents more that he is. maybe its like Turner in TX and the system is holding him back. The offense is running thorough Bacon not Isaac. I wouldn't take him 5th. Here's my top 10.
1. Ball
2. Fultz
3. Tatum
4. Jackson
5. Smith
6. Fox
7. Markkanen
8. Isaac
9. Monk
10. OG Anunoby
This is not a big man draft, but next year is.
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I liked the idea a lot last year at this time. I actually liked him as a SF, in the Durant mold. I have Sling TV and it comes with the ACC ESPN so I can actually watch his games. Honestly I turned off his last game and watched a movie, ... boring. He has talent but he's not as dynamic as his highlights. With his size and skill level he should really be dominating his opponents more that he is. maybe its like Turner in TX and the system is holding him back. The offense is running thorough Bacon not Isaac. I wouldn't take him 5th. Here's my top 10.
1. Ball
2. Fultz
3. Tatum
4. Jackson
5. Smith
6. Fox
7. Markkanen
8. Isaac
9. Monk
10. OG Anunoby
This is not a big man draft, but next year is.
You don't have Giles in your top 10?
Personally I think Giles will end up going in the top 3. He is going to get better and better as the season goes on. He had a pretty good game today with 4 points, 8 rebounds and an assist while only shooting 2/6 from the field in 13 minutes. He needs to work on playing defense without fouling and he will be a high level prospect.
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I liked the idea a lot last year at this time. I actually liked him as a SF, in the Durant mold. I have Sling TV and it comes with the ACC ESPN so I can actually watch his games. Honestly I turned off his last game and watched a movie, ... boring. He has talent but he's not as dynamic as his highlights. With his size and skill level he should really be dominating his opponents more that he is. maybe its like Turner in TX and the system is holding him back. The offense is running thorough Bacon not Isaac. I wouldn't take him 5th. Here's my top 10.
1. Ball
2. Fultz
3. Tatum
4. Jackson
5. Smith
6. Fox
7. Markkanen
8. Isaac
9. Monk
10. OG Anunoby
This is not a big man draft, but next year is.
The one thing I LOVE about this year's draft, is that you can argue that any of the Top-10 can become legitimate stars in the NBA.
This is a DEEP draft. It's just up to Ainge and the C's to identify that guy over the summer/off season. I truthfully have Fultz over Ball at #1 but it's still a bit early to call who is #1 just yet.
Harry Giles I think with more playing time would be Top 10 as well I believe (maybe between #4-#7).
Like I wouldn't mind Tatum or Jackson at all. Worst case scenario, Isaac at #5? Not bad.
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Isaac is a really intriguing pick. Would need to bulk up for the NBA game but you can say that about most college freshman.
I think the C's first goal is to add a player to their current core, not draft another a rookie. If they land a top pick in 2017 I would expect it to be moved as part of a package deal. Isaac would not be a bad pickup though if they did keep their pick. It will be interesting to see where he lands on draft boards come next June, as I see him as one of the climbers during the season.
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I liked the idea a lot last year at this time. I actually liked him as a SF, in the Durant mold. I have Sling TV and it comes with the ACC ESPN so I can actually watch his games. Honestly I turned off his last game and watched a movie, ... boring. He has talent but he's not as dynamic as his highlights. With his size and skill level he should really be dominating his opponents more that he is. maybe its like Turner in TX and the system is holding him back. The offense is running thorough Bacon not Isaac. I wouldn't take him 5th. Here's my top 10.
1. Ball
2. Fultz
3. Tatum
4. Jackson
5. Smith
6. Fox
7. Markkanen
8. Isaac
9. Monk
10. OG Anunoby
This is not a big man draft, but next year is.
You don't have Giles in your top 10?
Personally I think Giles will end up going in the top 3. He is going to get better and better as the season goes on. He had a pretty good game today with 4 points, 8 rebounds and an assist while only shooting 2/6 from the field in 13 minutes. He needs to work on playing defense without fouling and he will be a high level prospect.
His injury history scares me. There are so many other players without that health risk. He had two knee surgeries in HS and the NBA is so much more physical the HS. I don't think he can handle it physically. History has shown too many great players amount to nothing because of injuries.
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I see Giles as this years Labissiere. He will have bad stats and fall down the draft boards. As for Issac, I think he still needs to show a whole lot more before he can break the top 5.
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I see Giles as this years Labissiere. He will have bad stats and fall down the draft boards. As for Issac, I think he still needs to show a whole lot more before he can break the top 5.
Giles fell due to injury, Labissiere fell due to poor performance. I don't understand how you could compare the two.
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This kid is heating up...23 pts last night.
Oh and SEVEN BLOCKS! :o :o :o That's cuckoo bananas!!
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Isaac did his thing in only 25 minutes of work. He also had 5 turnovers, which is very unusual for him and 10 boards. Seven block though!
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High upside prospect but needs to add mass and alpha dog mentality
I want to see him score 30, 40 points a few times before this season is over
His slender frame will prevent him to play pf at the nba level imo. He is a sf at the nba and could be a good one
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I have been an Issac fan since watching him early in the season. He has the game and length to fit nicely as a face up 4. Like a lot of young lengthy players he needs to add strength. Where last draft Ingram really is a 6'9 long 3/4 I personally think while issac isn't as dynamic off the dribble he is more willing to mix it up in the paint and will be able to play a 4/3 role in the NBA.
As for the Draft I expect Fultz to be the first tier clear #1, Ball to go #2 and Tatum and Jackson to be in a 3rd tier that Issac, Monk and Ntilikina could push into.
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I like the concept of what he could bring offensively at the position, however I really dont like the idea of adding a stretch player to this team. This team lacks balance and I think adding another guy who just stands at the 3pt line is not something Im interested in seeing. Im not saying that's his game, Im saying his skill level says that he will be pushed to do that.
Just feel that this team is 3pt dependent and I would like to see players added that can attack different spots on the floor. That's why I like that they are starting to use Brown and Smart 10 ft and in to give teams different looks.
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I've been to or watched every FSU game this year. His hands are as good as his feet.
He's successfully stripping ball handlers 15 feet away from the basket. He's got great body control and for being lanky, has a knack for getting boards.
Two of his shots last night were 3s that came when we really needed them.
I hope he stays another year but I'm dreaming.
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High upside prospect but needs to add mass and alpha dog mentality
I want to see him score 30, 40 points a few times before this season is over
His slender frame will prevent him to play pf at the nba level imo. He is a sf at the nba and could be a good one
Agreed. SF in the NBA, think he should be able to add mass before the 17-18 season. Has the skill and shooting to compensate for being underweight. I think he's just starting to find his swagger.
Depending on what happens over the next couple of months, he could could crack top 5/ maybe 3 and may be worth consideration for the Celts if they're not getting Fultz. We'll see.
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Does he have the strength to battle guys inside? You have lanky guys like Manute Bol, Camby and KG that defends the paint effectively and then, there is Bosh and Durant who are decent, but gets abused by a legit big inside.
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I've been to or watched every FSU game this year. His hands are as good as his feet.
He's successfully stripping ball handlers 15 feet away from the basket. He's got great body control and for being lanky, has a knack for getting boards.
Two of his shots last night were 3s that came when we really needed them.
I hope he stays another year but I'm dreaming.
I'm a big fan of his, but I havent watched him play in a full game yet, only highlights. What can you say is the reason he appears to not be the #1 option on his team, as it seems Bacon gets moor looks on that team. Is it the coach playing favorites in hopes Bacon stays one more year?
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I've been to or watched every FSU game this year. His hands are as good as his feet.
He's successfully stripping ball handlers 15 feet away from the basket. He's got great body control and for being lanky, has a knack for getting boards.
Two of his shots last night were 3s that came when we really needed them.
I hope he stays another year but I'm dreaming.
I'm a big fan of his, but I havent watched him play in a full game yet, only highlights. What can you say is the reason he appears to not be the #1 option on his team, as it seems Bacon gets moor looks on that team. Is it the coach playing favorites in hopes Bacon stays one more year?
I don't think Isaac is a #1 option. You're not going to run your offense through him. I haven't seen much shot creation ability for himself or others. I don't think he's as good or versatile as Brandon Ingram. He looks like a good 3 and D player with good rebounding which would be quite useful for us.
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I've been to or watched every FSU game this year. His hands are as good as his feet.
He's successfully stripping ball handlers 15 feet away from the basket. He's got great body control and for being lanky, has a knack for getting boards.
Two of his shots last night were 3s that came when we really needed them.
I hope he stays another year but I'm dreaming.
I'm a big fan of his, but I havent watched him play in a full game yet, only highlights. What can you say is the reason he appears to not be the #1 option on his team, as it seems Bacon gets moor looks on that team. Is it the coach playing favorites in hopes Bacon stays one more year?
I don't think Isaac is a #1 option. You're not going to run your offense through him. I haven't seen much shot creation ability for himself or others. I don't think he's as good or versatile as Brandon Ingram. He looks like a good 3 and D player with good rebounding which would be quite useful for us.
Sounds like mid-late 1st round than a lottery pick.
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I've been to or watched every FSU game this year. His hands are as good as his feet.
He's successfully stripping ball handlers 15 feet away from the basket. He's got great body control and for being lanky, has a knack for getting boards.
Two of his shots last night were 3s that came when we really needed them.
I hope he stays another year but I'm dreaming.
I'm a big fan of his, but I havent watched him play in a full game yet, only highlights. What can you say is the reason he appears to not be the #1 option on his team, as it seems Bacon gets moor looks on that team. Is it the coach playing favorites in hopes Bacon stays one more year?
I don't think Isaac is a #1 option. You're not going to run your offense through him. I haven't seen much shot creation ability for himself or others. I don't think he's as good or versatile as Brandon Ingram. He looks like a good 3 and D player with good rebounding which would be quite useful for us.
interesting, I always seem to have the frame of mind that a player needs to dominate the college game to make it in the NBA, but that isnt always the case. I think Isaac might be a perfect fit for us at the 4.
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extremely well spoken kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YAGgMY-lyk
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I've been to or watched every FSU game this year. His hands are as good as his feet.
He's successfully stripping ball handlers 15 feet away from the basket. He's got great body control and for being lanky, has a knack for getting boards.
Two of his shots last night were 3s that came when we really needed them.
I hope he stays another year but I'm dreaming.
I'm a big fan of his, but I havent watched him play in a full game yet, only highlights. What can you say is the reason he appears to not be the #1 option on his team, as it seems Bacon gets moor looks on that team. Is it the coach playing favorites in hopes Bacon stays one more year?
I don't think Isaac is a #1 option. You're not going to run your offense through him. I haven't seen much shot creation ability for himself or others. I don't think he's as good or versatile as Brandon Ingram. He looks like a good 3 and D player with good rebounding which would be quite useful for us.
interesting, I always seem to have the frame of mind that a player needs to dominate the college game to make it in the NBA, but that isnt always the case. I think Isaac might be a perfect fit for us at the 4.
19 year old freshman definitely don't have to dominate in college to be a success in the NBA. I like Isaac's potential. Apparently he was 6'2" three years ago and had a big growth spurt. He can add weight/strength. He's had some very nice games lately. He's productive without having to handle the ball a lot.
Both Isaac and Markkanen seem like good fits for us at the 4. Isaac is a 3/4 whereas Markkanen is a 4/5. However with the strength of this draft both will probably be outside the top 5. Of the two, I could see Isaac improving enough to break the top 5.
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I watched highlights from his last game, and was definitely impressed by his skill set, very nice quick release on the jumpshot which is tough to contest given his length. He also had seven blocks, and looked good battling underneath.
The not good is: man is he skinny, not just give the kid a cheeseburger skinny, but really narrow shoulders and frame that make it hard to see him getting significantly stronger.
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It's really hard to get a read on him. I'm leaning towards him not being good. Seems like a tease. Also, he's hidden on his team. The play him as a role player, so it's hard to capture his true potential. He could turn out to be a stud when he gets in the NBA. Definitely a swing for the fences type of pick.
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I watched highlights from his last game, and was definitely impressed by his skill set, very nice quick release on the jumpshot which is tough to contest given his length. He also had seven blocks, and looked good battling underneath.
The not good is: man is he skinny, not just give the kid a cheeseburger skinny, but really narrow shoulders and frame that make it hard to see him getting significantly stronger.
I read that he had a huge growth spurt in high school. I think he went from 6'2 to 6'10. Probably hasnt had time to grow into his body
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Vs unc 17 pts, 12 reb. More and more reminds me of Ingram ..that extra gear to turn the corner and finish around the rim is not there right now... Can shoot over smaller sfs or against slower pfs
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6U-zDVEV_OM
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Great skillset, but his frame is so narrow that it makes it hard to imagine he can put on the strength needed in the NBA. Does a pretty good job battling inside at the collegiate level though, so maybe he's stronger than he looks.
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Vs unc 17 pts, 12 reb. More and more reminds me of Ingram ..that extra gear to turn the corner and finish around the rim is not there right now... Can shoot over smaller sfs or against slower pfs
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6U-zDVEV_OM
Yeah, he looks to me like he has a frame that can add muscle. He has pretty natural instincts on defense and uses his length well. I love to see a skinny kid like that get on the boards too, because it means his mindset is not the thing holding him back.
He reminds me more of Paul George more than the other comparisons I hear. He has the handles and the shooting mechanics to be a 3 in the NBA. He knows how to use his length on defense and on the boards.
The main concern that I have is his driving ability, but with more muscle and the NBA rules, that probably improves. He is only getting 3 shots at the rim a game, but converting over 70% (for reference, George only converted 55% at the rim in his last season at Fresno State, after he had added more muscle).
Edit: When it comes down to it, Isaac has a lot of the same concerns George had, but you could argue he has been more effective against better competition than George was. He is more advanced of a shot creator, has a better stroke, and is better going to the rim than George was at the same stage. Isaac is not quite the leaper George was, but in many other ways they are comparable.
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Vs unc 17 pts, 12 reb. More and more reminds me of Ingram ..that extra gear to turn the corner and finish around the rim is not there right now... Can shoot over smaller sfs or against slower pfs
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6U-zDVEV_OM
Yeah, he looks to me like he has a frame that can add muscle. He has pretty natural instincts on defense and uses his length well. I love to see a skinny kid like that get on the boards too, because it means his mindset is not the thing holding him back.
He reminds me more of Paul George more than the other comparisons I hear. He has the handles and the shooting mechanics to be a 3 in the NBA. He knows how to use his length on defense and on the boards.
The main concern that I have is his driving ability, but with more muscle and the NBA rules, that probably improves. He is only getting 3 shots at the rim a game, but converting over 70% (for reference, George only converted 55% at the rim in his last season at Fresno State, after he had added more muscle).
Edit: When it comes down to it, Isaac has a lot of the same concerns George had, but you could argue he has been more effective against better competition than George was. He is more advanced of a shot creator, has a better stroke, and is better going to the rim than George was at the same stage. Isaac is not quite the leaper George was, but in many other ways they are comparable.
This is a big concern regarding Isaac for me... He has the kind of frame that makes it real tough to add mass. He has a thin waist and lower body
think about how many scrawny players ... add scrawny tall players are able to add good amount of mass by the time they get to the NBA
George is a decent comparison....but George is also a SF/SG
Is Isaac a SF/SG at the nba level?
To me he screams out PF on the defensive end but SF at the offensive end. ... But without ability to add meaningful mass...will be kind of positionless at the defensive end at the next level
He has to put in alot of time at the gym
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Vs unc 17 pts, 12 reb. More and more reminds me of Ingram ..that extra gear to turn the corner and finish around the rim is not there right now... Can shoot over smaller sfs or against slower pfs
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6U-zDVEV_OM
Yeah, he looks to me like he has a frame that can add muscle. He has pretty natural instincts on defense and uses his length well. I love to see a skinny kid like that get on the boards too, because it means his mindset is not the thing holding him back.
He reminds me more of Paul George more than the other comparisons I hear. He has the handles and the shooting mechanics to be a 3 in the NBA. He knows how to use his length on defense and on the boards.
The main concern that I have is his driving ability, but with more muscle and the NBA rules, that probably improves. He is only getting 3 shots at the rim a game, but converting over 70% (for reference, George only converted 55% at the rim in his last season at Fresno State, after he had added more muscle).
Edit: When it comes down to it, Isaac has a lot of the same concerns George had, but you could argue he has been more effective against better competition than George was. He is more advanced of a shot creator, has a better stroke, and is better going to the rim than George was at the same stage. Isaac is not quite the leaper George was, but in many other ways they are comparable.
I've only seen a few of his games but the shots at the rim he got were from offensive rebounds and cuts to the basket. As I recall, his few iso drive attempts were stopped after a couple dribbles.
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Vs unc 17 pts, 12 reb. More and more reminds me of Ingram ..that extra gear to turn the corner and finish around the rim is not there right now... Can shoot over smaller sfs or against slower pfs
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6U-zDVEV_OM
Yeah, he looks to me like he has a frame that can add muscle. He has pretty natural instincts on defense and uses his length well. I love to see a skinny kid like that get on the boards too, because it means his mindset is not the thing holding him back.
He reminds me more of Paul George more than the other comparisons I hear. He has the handles and the shooting mechanics to be a 3 in the NBA. He knows how to use his length on defense and on the boards.
The main concern that I have is his driving ability, but with more muscle and the NBA rules, that probably improves. He is only getting 3 shots at the rim a game, but converting over 70% (for reference, George only converted 55% at the rim in his last season at Fresno State, after he had added more muscle).
Edit: When it comes down to it, Isaac has a lot of the same concerns George had, but you could argue he has been more effective against better competition than George was. He is more advanced of a shot creator, has a better stroke, and is better going to the rim than George was at the same stage. Isaac is not quite the leaper George was, but in many other ways they are comparable.
This is a big concern regarding Isaac for me... He has the kind of frame that makes it real tough to add mass. He has a thin waist and lower body
think about how many scrawny players ... add scrawny tall players are able to add good amount of mass by the time they get to the NBA
George is a decent comparison....but George is also a SF/SG
Is Isaac a SF/SG at the nba level?
To me he screams out PF on the defensive end but SF at the offensive end. ... But without ability to add meaningful mass...will be kind of positionless at the defensive end at the next level
He has to put in alot of time at the gym
I don't see George so much as an even skinnier Durant. The memory is a little hazy, but Durant at least had a relatively wide frame. But Durant is a great example of a guy who remains lean and is exceptionally successful at the NBA level.
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Vs unc 17 pts, 12 reb. More and more reminds me of Ingram ..that extra gear to turn the corner and finish around the rim is not there right now... Can shoot over smaller sfs or against slower pfs
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6U-zDVEV_OM
Yeah, he looks to me like he has a frame that can add muscle. He has pretty natural instincts on defense and uses his length well. I love to see a skinny kid like that get on the boards too, because it means his mindset is not the thing holding him back.
He reminds me more of Paul George more than the other comparisons I hear. He has the handles and the shooting mechanics to be a 3 in the NBA. He knows how to use his length on defense and on the boards.
The main concern that I have is his driving ability, but with more muscle and the NBA rules, that probably improves. He is only getting 3 shots at the rim a game, but converting over 70% (for reference, George only converted 55% at the rim in his last season at Fresno State, after he had added more muscle).
Edit: When it comes down to it, Isaac has a lot of the same concerns George had, but you could argue he has been more effective against better competition than George was. He is more advanced of a shot creator, has a better stroke, and is better going to the rim than George was at the same stage. Isaac is not quite the leaper George was, but in many other ways they are comparable.
I've only seen a few of his games but the shots at the rim he got were from offensive rebounds and cuts to the basket. As I recall, his few iso drive attempts were stopped after a couple dribbles.
He has 39 made shots at the rim this year. 15 were assisted. 17 were putbacks. 7 were unassisted. Still that's not bad.
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Vs unc 17 pts, 12 reb. More and more reminds me of Ingram ..that extra gear to turn the corner and finish around the rim is not there right now... Can shoot over smaller sfs or against slower pfs
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6U-zDVEV_OM
Yeah, he looks to me like he has a frame that can add muscle. He has pretty natural instincts on defense and uses his length well. I love to see a skinny kid like that get on the boards too, because it means his mindset is not the thing holding him back.
He reminds me more of Paul George more than the other comparisons I hear. He has the handles and the shooting mechanics to be a 3 in the NBA. He knows how to use his length on defense and on the boards.
The main concern that I have is his driving ability, but with more muscle and the NBA rules, that probably improves. He is only getting 3 shots at the rim a game, but converting over 70% (for reference, George only converted 55% at the rim in his last season at Fresno State, after he had added more muscle).
Edit: When it comes down to it, Isaac has a lot of the same concerns George had, but you could argue he has been more effective against better competition than George was. He is more advanced of a shot creator, has a better stroke, and is better going to the rim than George was at the same stage. Isaac is not quite the leaper George was, but in many other ways they are comparable.
This is a big concern regarding Isaac for me... He has the kind of frame that makes it real tough to add mass. He has a thin waist and lower body
think about how many scrawny players ... add scrawny tall players are able to add good amount of mass by the time they get to the NBA
George is a decent comparison....but George is also a SF/SG
Is Isaac a SF/SG at the nba level?
To me he screams out PF on the defensive end but SF at the offensive end. ... But without ability to add meaningful mass...will be kind of positionless at the defensive end at the next level
He has to put in alot of time at the gym
Time will tell. Does he have the work ethic?
George was a 3-4 when he first came into the league. His spotup shooting allowed him to play 2 on a team that bruising and relied on Granger and West to make plays more than the guards. I think Isaac could do that if asked.
Defensively, he has the athleticism is play on the perimeter or inside.
Durant did gain the weight, when many thought he couldn't. Many think Ingram will add weight as he ages. Even Henson has put on some weight. Ed Davis put on weight too. Anthony Davis, Giannis, and Wiggins too.
I don't know that putting on weight is as much of a concern as whether or not he will lose explosiveness when he does. That is somewhat concerning to me. but the great thing about Isaac is that, if he does lose some explosiveness and quickness, he has the size to move up to the 4.
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Vs unc 17 pts, 12 reb. More and more reminds me of Ingram ..that extra gear to turn the corner and finish around the rim is not there right now... Can shoot over smaller sfs or against slower pfs
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6U-zDVEV_OM
Yeah, he looks to me like he has a frame that can add muscle. He has pretty natural instincts on defense and uses his length well. I love to see a skinny kid like that get on the boards too, because it means his mindset is not the thing holding him back.
He reminds me more of Paul George more than the other comparisons I hear. He has the handles and the shooting mechanics to be a 3 in the NBA. He knows how to use his length on defense and on the boards.
The main concern that I have is his driving ability, but with more muscle and the NBA rules, that probably improves. He is only getting 3 shots at the rim a game, but converting over 70% (for reference, George only converted 55% at the rim in his last season at Fresno State, after he had added more muscle).
Edit: When it comes down to it, Isaac has a lot of the same concerns George had, but you could argue he has been more effective against better competition than George was. He is more advanced of a shot creator, has a better stroke, and is better going to the rim than George was at the same stage. Isaac is not quite the leaper George was, but in many other ways they are comparable.
This is a big concern regarding Isaac for me... He has the kind of frame that makes it real tough to add mass. He has a thin waist and lower body
think about how many scrawny players ... add scrawny tall players are able to add good amount of mass by the time they get to the NBA
George is a decent comparison....but George is also a SF/SG
Is Isaac a SF/SG at the nba level?
To me he screams out PF on the defensive end but SF at the offensive end. ... But without ability to add meaningful mass...will be kind of positionless at the defensive end at the next level
He has to put in alot of time at the gym
I don't see George so much as an even skinnier Durant. The memory is a little hazy, but Durant at least had a relatively wide frame. But Durant is a great example of a guy who remains lean and is exceptionally successful at the NBA level.
He looked pretty scrawny with that baggy undershirt. Those shorts look like they have nothing to hang on to to stay up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62rE2AjOPE
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Isaac and FSU host #12 Louisville today at 2pm on ESPN!!! I am so infatuated with this kid. I plan to tape the game and analyze and critique his game. This kid WILL go in the top 5 and I predict the top 3 or 4!!!!
This will be FSU's and Issac's 6th straight game vs. a top 21 ranked team!!!
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4065654/jonathan-isaac
I LOVE that he is TRULY playing a tough schedule in the BEST conference in America!!! (And I don't give a crap about ESPN recently ranking the Big 12 at the top in BPI!!! Just wait for the NCAA tourney ONCE AGAIN and watch the ACC dominate!!!!!
Smitty77
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Vs unc 17 pts, 12 reb. More and more reminds me of Ingram ..that extra gear to turn the corner and finish around the rim is not there right now... Can shoot over smaller sfs or against slower pfs
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=6U-zDVEV_OM
Yeah, he looks to me like he has a frame that can add muscle. He has pretty natural instincts on defense and uses his length well. I love to see a skinny kid like that get on the boards too, because it means his mindset is not the thing holding him back.
He reminds me more of Paul George more than the other comparisons I hear. He has the handles and the shooting mechanics to be a 3 in the NBA. He knows how to use his length on defense and on the boards.
The main concern that I have is his driving ability, but with more muscle and the NBA rules, that probably improves. He is only getting 3 shots at the rim a game, but converting over 70% (for reference, George only converted 55% at the rim in his last season at Fresno State, after he had added more muscle).
Edit: When it comes down to it, Isaac has a lot of the same concerns George had, but you could argue he has been more effective against better competition than George was. He is more advanced of a shot creator, has a better stroke, and is better going to the rim than George was at the same stage. Isaac is not quite the leaper George was, but in many other ways they are comparable.
This is a big concern regarding Isaac for me... He has the kind of frame that makes it real tough to add mass. He has a thin waist and lower body
think about how many scrawny players ... add scrawny tall players are able to add good amount of mass by the time they get to the NBA
George is a decent comparison....but George is also a SF/SG
Is Isaac a SF/SG at the nba level?
To me he screams out PF on the defensive end but SF at the offensive end. ... But without ability to add meaningful mass...will be kind of positionless at the defensive end at the next level
He has to put in alot of time at the gym
Time will tell. Does he have the work ethic?
George was a 3-4 when he first came into the league. His spotup shooting allowed him to play 2 on a team that bruising and relied on Granger and West to make plays more than the guards. I think Isaac could do that if asked.
Defensively, he has the athleticism is play on the perimeter or inside.
Durant did gain the weight, when many thought he couldn't. Many think Ingram will add weight as he ages. Even Henson has put on some weight. Ed Davis put on weight too. Anthony Davis, Giannis, and Wiggins too.
I don't know that putting on weight is as much of a concern as whether or not he will lose explosiveness when he does. That is somewhat concerning to me. but the great thing about Isaac is that, if he does lose some explosiveness and quickness, he has the size to move up to the 4.
This is a really good point. The key for many of these kids is to gain strength without losing quickness.
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Isaac with 16 and 10 rebounds (7-7 free throws) with two blocks and two assists. He had the last two defensive rebounds of the game to ice two separate possessions for his team. He also hit 2 free throws with less than one minute left to go up by 3.
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Isaac with 16 and 10 rebounds (7-7 free throws) with two blocks and two assists. He had the last two defensive rebounds of the game to ice two separate possessions for his team. He also hit 2 free throws with less than one minute left to go up by 3.
And don't forget the big rebound to ice it!!! He is the first freshman at FSU since 1994-1995 to have 3 straight double doubles, AND he did it against three highly RANKED teams!!!!!
Smitty77
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This kid just seemingly has the intangibles!!! You cannot teach what this kid seems to have. Clearly incredible GIFTS and TALENT!!!
Please Danny, get me this kid!!! He will be our multi-year All-Star!!!
Smitty77
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Jonathan Isaac (FSU) vs Louisville // 1.21.17 // 16 Pts, 10 Reb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Kh_mmmqKE&t=8s
Nice game. Ingram comparison good?
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I have Isaac ahead of Tatum now... already a better defensive player and 3 pt shooter
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He came into FSU weighing 185 and is now up to 210!!! That is a LOT of what appears to be GOOD weight to be gained in LESS than a year!!!!!
He chose FSU due to their tremendous weight training program!!!
I LOVE this kid!!!
Watch the game vs. Louisville and just watch how quickly he moves his feet with his perimeter D!!!
Smitty77
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He came into FSU weighing 185 and is now up to 210!!! That is a LOT of what appears to be GOOD weight to be gained in LESS than a year!!!!!
He chose FSU due to their tremendous weight training program!!!
I LOVE this kid!!!
Watch the game vs. Louisville and just watch how quickly he moves his feet with his perimeter D!!!
Smitty77
He is listed at 210, but I'm not convinced. Still, I have faith that he can gain weight.
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He's been number 2 on my big board for a while now.
I believe he's probably the only true potential superstar in this draft...although he's less of a sure thing than Fultz.
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He seems like a major project just like Thon Maker (high ceiling/low floor), thus I am not sure I would take him in the top 3 but if he was to fall to a low lottery spot I'd love the C's to trade for him.
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He reminds me of Rashard Lewis
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He's getting better and better against ranked teams. He's making plays with the pressure on.
If any kid has the potential in this draft class, he does.
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He reminds me of Rashard Lewis
I could see it. People often forget how good Lewis was because of his enormous contract, but I would take that player in todays NBA. I think his perimeter d has potential to be a lot better than lewis, but offensively this is spot on.
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Also, when you guys are watching Isaac in these FSU games take a look at Ojo.
I'm telling you Stevens can make this guy a useful player.
On top of Ojo's measurables and his greatly improved game, he's a good character guy and positive force in the locker room.
Now, back to Isaac.
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If this guy can come in and bother more shots than our current players and not be allergic to rebounds, that'd be great,
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
It isn't just that he is 10 pounds on the light side of 220, it is that a lot of analysts believe he doesn't really have the frame to fill out any weight.
I don't think he would challenge Fultz, but he would be right with ball if he was like 220/225. He has a very rare combo of skills for his size.
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I was hoping he develops an alpha dog mentality in addition to adding weight... Well he has turned it on as of late. His team is a nice 18-2
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
It isn't just that he is 10 pounds on the light side of 220, it is that a lot of analysts believe he doesn't really have the frame to fill out any weight.
I don't think he would challenge Fultz, but he would be right with ball if he was like 220/225. He has a very rare combo of skills for his size.
Didnt they say the same thing about KG?
Isaac does not have wide shoulders but has a thick looking shin section. Better than if he had a twig of a shin
Even if he cant fill out fill out , he can still strengthen up and play the sf spot at the nba
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
It isn't just that he is 10 pounds on the light side of 220, it is that a lot of analysts believe he doesn't really have the frame to fill out any weight.
I don't think he would challenge Fultz, but he would be right with ball if he was like 220/225. He has a very rare combo of skills for his size.
Didnt they say the same thing about KG?
Isaac does not have wide shoulders but has a thick looking shin section. Better than if he had a twig of a shin
Even if he cant fill out fill out , he can still strengthen up and play the sf spot at the nba
He also a very large cranium. This probably is indicative that his brain is above average in size, which means he will be in a sponge in retaining information and likely have a high basketball IQ.
Dude, the things you write....
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
It isn't just that he is 10 pounds on the light side of 220, it is that a lot of analysts believe he doesn't really have the frame to fill out any weight.
I don't think he would challenge Fultz, but he would be right with ball if he was like 220/225. He has a very rare combo of skills for his size.
Didnt they say the same thing about KG?
Isaac does not have wide shoulders but has a thick looking shin section. Better than if he had a twig of a shin
Even if he cant fill out fill out , he can still strengthen up and play the sf spot at the nba
Not going to lie to you here bud, but when KG was drafted I was most likely in diapers. So I really don't know much about KG before he got drafted other than the people who talk about how great of a shooter at his size he was.
I actually really like the Rashard Lewis comp for Isaac. A guy who can give you 18 and 7-8 on good shooting splits while playing good perimeter d at 6-10 is a great player in my book.
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
It isn't just that he is 10 pounds on the light side of 220, it is that a lot of analysts believe he doesn't really have the frame to fill out any weight.
I don't think he would challenge Fultz, but he would be right with ball if he was like 220/225. He has a very rare combo of skills for his size.
Didnt they say the same thing about KG?
Isaac does not have wide shoulders but has a thick looking shin section. Better than if he had a twig of a shin
Even if he cant fill out fill out , he can still strengthen up and play the sf spot at the nba
He also a very large cranium. This probably is indicative that his brain is above average in size, which means he will be in a sponge in retaining information and likely have a high basketball IQ.
Dude, the things you write....
TP for making me lol at work Eddie.
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
It isn't just that he is 10 pounds on the light side of 220, it is that a lot of analysts believe he doesn't really have the frame to fill out any weight.
I don't think he would challenge Fultz, but he would be right with ball if he was like 220/225. He has a very rare combo of skills for his size.
Didnt they say the same thing about KG?
Isaac does not have wide shoulders but has a thick looking shin section. Better than if he had a twig of a shin
Even if he cant fill out fill out , he can still strengthen up and play the sf spot at the nba
Not going to lie to you here bud, but when KG was drafted I was most likely in diapers. So I really don't know much about KG before he got drafted other than the people who talk about how great of a shooter at his size he was.
I actually really like the Rashard Lewis comp for Isaac. A guy who can give you 18 and 7-8 on good shooting splits while playing good perimeter d at 6-10 is a great player in my book.
Higher ceiling than Lewis. Better motor/work ethic
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
It isn't just that he is 10 pounds on the light side of 220, it is that a lot of analysts believe he doesn't really have the frame to fill out any weight.
I don't think he would challenge Fultz, but he would be right with ball if he was like 220/225. He has a very rare combo of skills for his size.
Didnt they say the same thing about KG?
Isaac does not have wide shoulders but has a thick looking shin section. Better than if he had a twig of a shin
Even if he cant fill out fill out , he can still strengthen up and play the sf spot at the nba
He also a very large cranium. This probably is indicative that his brain is above average in size, which means he will be in a sponge in retaining information and likely have a high basketball IQ.
Dude, the things you write....
TP for making me lol at work Eddie.
Credit goes to Triboy for the sweet assist!
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Just watching some recent florida state games...
Isaac is for sure a gem. Even though is scrawny he doesnt back down.
A little kg spirit in him? Has a very nice jump shot stroke. Can shoot it from anywhere. Spot up, dribble stop and pop
With his package , length, if you add 10-15 pounds of muscle he could end up being the best player from this draft.
Rashard Lewis/Paul George comparison is pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=Hn-u32WOf90
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I agree with this. That combination of competitiveness, confidence, frame, athleticism, and skills do not come around very often. I like him a lot.
He's number 2 on my draft list.
1. Fultz
2. Isaac
3. Ball
4. Ntilkina
5. Markanaan
6. Dennis Smith Jr.
7-10. Jackson, Fox, Monk, Giles
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I agree with this. That combination of competitiveness, confidence, frame, athleticism, and skills do not come around very often. I like him a lot.
He's number 2 on my draft list.
1. Fultz
2. Isaac
3. Ball
4. Ntilkina
5. Markanaan
6. Dennis Smith Jr.
7-10. Jackson, Fox, Monk, Giles
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I agree with this. That combination of competitiveness, confidence, frame, athleticism, and skills do not come around very often. I like him a lot.
He's number 2 on my draft list.
1. Fultz
2. Isaac
3. Ball
4. Ntilkina
5. Markanaan
6. Dennis Smith Jr.
7-10. Jackson, Fox, Monk, Giles
Brown and Isaac could one day make a deadly one two punch
Inside/outside headache for teams
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Red Alert! Isaac has bad asthma. He has to leave the game breathing hard, went to the locker room, them returned.
Red flag.
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It's official for me now. No way I want Isaac. To bad he's interesting, but if you saw the Syracuse game, he really was struggling multiple times.
Too risky with the Nets pick IMO.
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I agree with this. That combination of competitiveness, confidence, frame, athleticism, and skills do not come around very often. I like him a lot.
He's number 2 on my draft list.
1. Fultz
2. Isaac
3. Ball
4. Ntilkina
5. Markanaan
6. Dennis Smith Jr.
7-10. Jackson, Fox, Monk, Giles
Markkanen over Josh Jackson? Wowzer.
Interesting to see how high you have the French kid. Haven't seen much of him yet..
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Red Alert! Isaac has bad asthma. He has to leave the game breathing hard, went to the locker room, them returned.
Red flag.
Oh man.. not a good sign
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Red Alert! Isaac has bad asthma. He has to leave the game breathing hard, went to the locker room, them returned.
Red flag.
Asthma is a very treatable condition. My daughter had/has it and she won several national titles on a competitive cheerleading team as a flyer. Also, Isaac still ended up with 19 points, 12 rebounds, and 2 blocks in only 28 minutes. This in NO way would keep me from drafting this BEAST!!!!
Smitty77
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
It isn't just that he is 10 pounds on the light side of 220, it is that a lot of analysts believe he doesn't really have the frame to fill out any weight.
I don't think he would challenge Fultz, but he would be right with ball if he was like 220/225. He has a very rare combo of skills for his size.
Didnt they say the same thing about KG?
Isaac does not have wide shoulders but has a thick looking shin section. Better than if he had a twig of a shin
Even if he cant fill out fill out , he can still strengthen up and play the sf spot at the nba
He also a very large cranium. This probably is indicative that his brain is above average in size, which means he will be in a sponge in retaining information and likely have a high basketball IQ.
Dude, the things you write....
TP for making me lol at work Eddie.
Credit goes to Triboy for the sweet assist!
For a guy that canNOT put on weight, he sure has put on 25 lbs. since he came to FSU at 185!!!!
Smitty77
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Asthma is a very treatable condition. My daughter had/has it and she won several national titles on a competitive cheerleading team as a flyer. Also, Isaac still ended up with 19 points, 12 rebounds, and 2 blocks in only 28 minutes. This in NO way would keep me from drafting this BEAST!!!!
Smitty77
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Wot. This can't be serious.
Dominique Wilkins, Dennis rodman, and two of the best long distance runners ever were diagnosed with asthma and were able to cope with it just fine with treatment.
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I agree with this. That combination of competitiveness, confidence, frame, athleticism, and skills do not come around very often. I like him a lot.
He's number 2 on my draft list.
1. Fultz
2. Isaac
3. Ball
4. Ntilkina
5. Markanaan
6. Dennis Smith Jr.
7-10. Jackson, Fox, Monk, Giles
Don't like guys who defend? How we going to win championships?
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Red Alert! Isaac has bad asthma. He has to leave the game breathing hard, went to the locker room, them returned.
Red flag.
Asthma is a very treatable condition. My daughter had/has it and she won several national titles on a competitive cheerleading team as a flyer. Also, Isaac still ended up with 19 points, 12 rebounds, and 2 blocks in only 28 minutes. This in NO way would keep me from drafting this BEAST!!!!
Smitty77
Is it a permanent cure or attacks still possible unexpectedly?
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The risk or whatever
If Isaac was 15 pounds heavier, would he threaten Fultz, Ball for the number 1 spot?
Think about this kids package. Plus that jump shot is sliky smooth and difficult to guard
It isn't just that he is 10 pounds on the light side of 220, it is that a lot of analysts believe he doesn't really have the frame to fill out any weight.
I don't think he would challenge Fultz, but he would be right with ball if he was like 220/225. He has a very rare combo of skills for his size.
Didnt they say the same thing about KG?
Isaac does not have wide shoulders but has a thick looking shin section. Better than if he had a twig of a shin
Even if he cant fill out fill out , he can still strengthen up and play the sf spot at the nba
He also a very large cranium. This probably is indicative that his brain is above average in size, which means he will be in a sponge in retaining information and likely have a high basketball IQ.
Dude, the things you write....
TP for making me lol at work Eddie.
Credit goes to Triboy for the sweet assist!
For a guy that canNOT put on weight, he sure has put on 25 lbs. since he came to FSU at 185!!!!
Smitty77
So he lost 20 lbs between the Nike Hoop Summit and the start of his Freshman year?
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Jonathan Isaac is growing on me, I'm definitely going to start watching FSU forsure. He could be the number 1 pick. I don't know why people on CB aren't falling in love with this guy? He is 6"11 with a 7"1.25 wingspan, and has the potential to de an elite scorer, defender, and rebounder
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I'm with you - the kid can be a star.
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Jonathan Isaac is growing on me, I'm definitely going to start watching FSU forsure. He could be the number 1 pick. I don't know why people on CB aren't falling in love with this guy? He is 6"11 with a 7"1.25 wingspan, and has the potential to de an elite scorer, defender, and rebounder
I like him a lot too...but he won't contribute for a couple of years...that body... :o
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Red Alert! Isaac has bad asthma. He has to leave the game breathing hard, went to the locker room, them returned.
Red flag.
Asthma is a very treatable condition. My daughter had/has it and she won several national titles on a competitive cheerleading team as a flyer. Also, Isaac still ended up with 19 points, 12 rebounds, and 2 blocks in only 28 minutes. This in NO way would keep me from drafting this BEAST!!!!
Smitty77
Is it a permanent cure or attacks still possible unexpectedly?
I am a doctor and Asthma (IF) with right treatment and conditioning really isn't a big deal
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Isaac is putting on a show against NC State. I'm not sure what exactly he'll be in his final form, but I remain absolutely enamoured with his skillset.
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Isaac is putting on a show against NC State. I'm not sure what exactly he'll be in his final form, but I remain absolutely enamoured with his skillset.
His size length athleticism and stroke are certainly a rare combo.
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Isaac is putting on a show against NC State. I'm not sure what exactly he'll be in his final form, but I remain absolutely enamoured with his skillset.
His size length athleticism and stroke are certainly a rare combo.
He doesn't scream star to me, which is why, despite my affinity for him, I'd probably be opposed to taking him 3rd or 4th. However, I do believe that he will be a Draymond-esque hyper-role-player. For example, if he lands in Minnesota, the rest of the league should be absolutely terrified. His defense next to Towns, plus the ability to hit threes, would be devastating.
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Isaac is putting on a show against NC State. I'm not sure what exactly he'll be in his final form, but I remain absolutely enamoured with his skillset.
His size length athleticism and stroke are certainly a rare combo.
He doesn't scream star to me, which is why, despite my affinity for him, I'd probably be opposed to taking him 3rd or 4th. However, I do believe that he will be a Draymond-esque hyper-role-player. For example, if he lands in Minnesota, the rest of the league should be absolutely terrified. His defense next to Towns, plus the ability to hit threes, would be devastating.
Have you actually watched a FULL game of his?
Smitty77
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Up to third on nbadraft.net!!!
http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft
Smitty77
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I suspect by the draft Fultz will be the clear #1 Tier with Ball, Issac and Jackson all in the 2nd tier.
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He plays with a ferociousness that you don't see in many toothpicks. While his handle is very straight forward, and his foot work is decent, his shot is already great for a 6'10ish wing. With his size and length, the fact that he already likes to bang bodes well for his future. If he is able to add roughly 20 pounds between now and his prime, he will be a very very good player in this league.
All of that doesn't even mention his advanced perimeter defense game.
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I suspect by the draft Fultz will be the clear #1 Tier with Ball, Issac and Jackson all in the 2nd tier.
You're basically saying Ball will drop. Yet based on what? A lot will depend on the NCAA tournament. If Ball and his team excel, say into Final Four, he may very well emerge the number 1 pick. Fultz won't be in it.
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Bill Russell ,probably the best rebounder and shot blocker ever, was no more than 6'10'" and 220lbs. I believe this kid could be similar player as he matures.Better shooter than Bill but less of a rebounder. Think Noel with a shot. I think #1 or #2-3 with Fultz.He might be better choice for C,s
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I am PRAYING the Lakers fall out of the top 3, and Philly picks up their pick.
I think Philly would throw an all-in type of trade offer at us for #1 or #2 to have Fultz or Ball
Say the Lakers fall to 4, and Philly stays around the 5-8 range.
We offer #1 or #2 pick for #4, #7, Dario Saric, and Lawawu.
We can then take two of Isaac, Tatum, Jackson, Smith, Monk, Giles, etc.
Isaac is starting to look like a KD-lite type of player. Totally worth the trade down from Fultz, especially considering every hypothetical dream trade is having the Celtics go after an athletic, scoring wing.
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If Phil gets 3 and 4 . I would trade #1 or #2 with Zeller and Bradley for Noel and 3 and 4. Draft Isaac and Tatum/Jackson . That would give you bigs of Hartford-AJ-Kelly-Noel-Zizic and Isaac.
MIds Crowder--Brown-Mickey-Tatum/Jackson and Smalls IT-Smart-Rozier-Jackson-Nader
Get fa like Hayward or big SG.
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I am PRAYING the Lakers fall out of the top 3, and Philly picks up their pick.
I think Philly would throw an all-in type of trade offer at us for #1 or #2 to have Fultz or Ball
Say the Lakers fall to 4, and Philly stays around the 5-8 range.
We offer #1 or #2 pick for #4, #7, Dario Saric, and Lawawu.
We can then take two of Isaac, Tatum, Jackson, Smith, Monk, Giles, etc.
Isaac is starting to look like a KD-lite type of player. Totally worth the trade down from Fultz, especially considering every hypothetical dream trade is having the Celtics go after an athletic, scoring wing.
Not happening. No way Ainge adds the 4 players you suggest(all rookies and 2nd year players) to 3 other rookies(Yab, Zizic and Nader) and 2 other 2nd year players(Brown and Jackson). We are not in full rebound mode.
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I am PRAYING the Lakers fall out of the top 3, and Philly picks up their pick.
I think Philly would throw an all-in type of trade offer at us for #1 or #2 to have Fultz or Ball
Say the Lakers fall to 4, and Philly stays around the 5-8 range.
We offer #1 or #2 pick for #4, #7, Dario Saric, and Lawawu.
We can then take two of Isaac, Tatum, Jackson, Smith, Monk, Giles, etc.
Isaac is starting to look like a KD-lite type of player. Totally worth the trade down from Fultz, especially considering every hypothetical dream trade is having the Celtics go after an athletic, scoring wing.
Not happening. No way Ainge adds the 4 players you suggest(all rookies and 2nd year players) to 3 other rookies(Yab, Zizic and Nader) and 2 other 2nd year players(Brown and Jackson). We are not in full rebound mode.
Cut Jackson, Young and Mickey. Nader, whatever. Stash Yab for another year, I think he needs it regardless. Thomas, Horford, Bradley, Crowder, Smart, Rozier, Brown, Olynyk, Jackson, Isaac, Zizic, Saric, Luwawu. You can still keep Jerebko and Johnson for veteran backups and have a veteran core with a talented young bench.
I doubt you'd get that much for Fultz/Ball, but I'd certainly do it.
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Notice that Isaac has the highest PER of anyone in the first round EXCEPT for John Collins from Wake Forest University (a sleeper to watch)!!!!
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/
John Collins can flat play!!!! Watch a WFU game and let me know your thoughts.
Smitty77
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Wish someone could convince me he is something better than the next Rashard Lewis.
Just see this guy as a role player type. Not a key starter type.
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Wish someone could convince me he is something better than the next Rashard Lewis.
Just see this guy as a role player type. Not a key starter type.
In his prime Rashard Lewis was definitely a key starter type. He had 3 years in a row of averaging 20 points on efficient shooting, with decent rebounding from the 3, and a couple of years on either side in which he was only marginally less good. He wasn't a two-time All-Star by accident.
Not a guy you want at #1 overall, but you good do worse at #4.
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If Phil gets 3 and 4 . I would trade #1 or #2 with Zeller and Bradley for Noel and 3 and 4. Draft Isaac and Tatum/Jackson . That would give you bigs of Hartford-AJ-Kelly-Noel-Zizic and Isaac.
MIds Crowder--Brown-Mickey-Tatum/Jackson and Smalls IT-Smart-Rozier-Jackson-Nader
Get fa like Hayward or big SG.
I like this, Isaac+Jackson for Fultz/Ball, AB for Noel
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If Phil gets 3 and 4 . I would trade #1 or #2 with Zeller and Bradley for Noel and 3 and 4. Draft Isaac and Tatum/Jackson . That would give you bigs of Hartford-AJ-Kelly-Noel-Zizic and Isaac.
MIds Crowder--Brown-Mickey-Tatum/Jackson and Smalls IT-Smart-Rozier-Jackson-Nader
Get fa like Hayward or big SG.
I like this, Isaac+Jackson for Fultz/Ball, AB for Noel
If this is post lottery, wouldn't Noel be a free agent by then?
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If Phil gets 3 and 4 . I would trade #1 or #2 with Zeller and Bradley for Noel and 3 and 4. Draft Isaac and Tatum/Jackson . That would give you bigs of Hartford-AJ-Kelly-Noel-Zizic and Isaac.
MIds Crowder--Brown-Mickey-Tatum/Jackson and Smalls IT-Smart-Rozier-Jackson-Nader
Get fa like Hayward or big SG.
I like this, Isaac+Jackson for Fultz/Ball, AB for Noel
If this is post lottery, wouldn't Noel be a free agent by then?
Yes he would.
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nba draft june 22 Noel would become a restricked free agent on July1
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nba draft june 22 Noel would become a restricked free agent on July1
You can not trade any pending free agents after the trade deadline. Noel must be traded in two weeks, or not at all.
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Until end of season ? Restricted on july1. Philly can place qualfying offer .
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until nd of season
Respectfully, you don't seem to know what you're taking about. But let's get back to talking about Mr. Issac, shall we?
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The thought of Issac or Jackson on the court with Jaylen at the 2/3 makes me salivate.
Dunks and fast breaks all day.
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Wish someone could convince me he is something better than the next Rashard Lewis.
Just see this guy as a role player type. Not a key starter type.
In his prime Rashard Lewis was definitely a key starter type. He had 3 years in a row of averaging 20 points on efficient shooting, with decent rebounding from the 3, and a couple of years on either side in which he was only marginally less good. He wasn't a two-time All-Star by accident.
Not a guy you want at #1 overall, but you good do worse at #4.
Yeah, add Rashard Lewis in his prime on the celtics right now at the 4 alongside Horford and Celtics would be a contender against the Cavs.
Rashard Lewis would be way better in today's NBA too. It was unfortunate that he had to play PF in an era where talented guys with size like KG, Tim Duncan, Dirk, Amare, Zach Randolph, and Elton Brand were all starting PFs in the league. KG absolutely dominated him.
But he was still able to punish slower PFs like Big Baby in 2009 that couldn't dominate him on the other end.
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Question: Who do you guys think looks like they'll be a better NBA player -- Johnathan Isaac or Brandon Ingram?
They look kind of similar to me but I think I'd take Isaac as he looks like more of a true PF and has got a great skill set to play that position in today's NBA.
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Question: Who do you guys think looks like they'll be a better NBA player -- Johnathan Isaac or Brandon Ingram?
They look kind of similar to me but I think I'd take Isaac as he looks like more of a true PF and has got a great skill set to play that position in today's NBA.
If I was comparing Ingram coming out of college to Isaac I would've said Ingram, but he's really struggled as a pro so now I'd probably go with Isaac.
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Question: Who do you guys think looks like they'll be a better NBA player -- Johnathan Isaac or Brandon Ingram?
They look kind of similar to me but I think I'd take Isaac as he looks like more of a true PF and has got a great skill set to play that position in today's NBA.
If I was comparing Ingram coming out of college to Isaac I would've said Ingram, but he's really struggled as a pro so now I'd probably go with Isaac.
Until Isaac struggles for his first year(and he will) then who do you choose?
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Curious, who do you like Nick?
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I like Ball...a lot, but think Fultz will be the pick if the Cs get the #1 pick.
I also don't see anyone from this class making star like strides in their games for at least a couple or 3 years.
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I meant in Isaac v. Ingram
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I meant in Isaac v. Ingram
I think Issac has a higher defensive ceiling while Ingram a higher offensive ceiling. I don't like either of their frames and think both will struggle against more muscular defenders. I think as total players they will be about even. I don't see either as being sure fire All-Star quality players.
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Question: Who do you guys think looks like they'll be a better NBA player -- Johnathan Isaac or Brandon Ingram?
They look kind of similar to me but I think I'd take Isaac as he looks like more of a true PF and has got a great skill set to play that position in today's NBA.
If I was comparing Ingram coming out of college to Isaac I would've said Ingram, but he's really struggled as a pro so now I'd probably go with Isaac.
Until Isaac struggles for his first year(and he will) then who do you choose?
Whoever next years hot new flavor is!
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Question: Who do you guys think looks like they'll be a better NBA player -- Johnathan Isaac or Brandon Ingram?
They look kind of similar to me but I think I'd take Isaac as he looks like more of a true PF and has got a great skill set to play that position in today's NBA.
If I was comparing Ingram coming out of college to Isaac I would've said Ingram, but he's really struggled as a pro so now I'd probably go with Isaac.
Until Isaac struggles for his first year(and he will) then who do you choose?
Whoever next years hot new flavor is!
TP dawg
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Issac pulled a Ingram today. 2 pts. Yeah im not seeing anything more than role player at this point with this guy so far.
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Issac pulled a Ingram today. 2 pts. Yeah im not seeing anything more than role player at this point with this guy so far.
Wow, but he ONLY took 3 stinking shots!!!! Did anyone watch and do you know if he got in early foul trouble or what happened?? They beat a ranked Miami team nonetheless.
Smitty77
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Issac pulled a Ingram today. 2 pts. Yeah im not seeing anything more than role player at this point with this guy so far.
Wow, but he ONLY took 3 stinking shots!!!! Did anyone watch and do you know if he got in early foul trouble or what happened?? They beat a ranked Miami team nonetheless.
Smitty77
I didnt watch the game but IM talking more of lack of aggressiveness. 3 shots in 20 plus min. isnt someone that yells go to scorer for awhile.
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Plays soft. Kind of iffy on him.
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Isaac self destructing down the stretch
I wonder if it has to do with his asthma like condition?
something is not right vs how he started the year
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Isaac self destructing down the stretch
I wonder if it has to do with his asthma like condition?
something is not right vs how he started the year
Yes, saw the asthma earlier this year. Not cool. Off my top five for sure.
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Isaac self destructing down the stretch
I wonder if it has to do with his asthma like condition?
something is not right vs how he started the year
Yes, saw the asthma earlier this year. Not cool. Off my top five for sure.
Really? Why?
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Nice article about Isaac. I'm warming to this kid; he kinda fits with where the Celtics are too, i.e. not in need of guards, and not in need of guys (Ball, Fultz) who will demand big playing time...
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/mensbasketball/2017/03/08/clark-nothing-normal-jonathan-isaac/98911474/
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Nice article about Isaac. I'm warming to this kid; he kinda fits with where the Celtics are too, i.e. not in need of guards, and not in need of guys (Ball, Fultz) who will demand big playing time...
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/mensbasketball/2017/03/08/clark-nothing-normal-jonathan-isaac/98911474/
Why wouldnt we be in need of guys that can demand big playing time early? I think that would be a huge bonus
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If we fall back to 3 or 4 Issac would be perfect for us. We basically get an upgraded Kelly Olynyk.
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If we fall back to 3 or 4 Issac would be perfect for us. We basically get an upgraded Kelly Olynyk.
If we fell to 3 or 4 and ended up with Isaac I would feel like all this attention on this pick would have been a waste
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Nice article about Isaac. I'm warming to this kid; he kinda fits with where the Celtics are too, i.e. not in need of guards, and not in need of guys (Ball, Fultz) who will demand big playing time...
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/mensbasketball/2017/03/08/clark-nothing-normal-jonathan-isaac/98911474/
Why wouldnt we be in need of guys that can demand big playing time early? I think that would be a huge bonus
I think you missed my point. Fultz, and especially Ball, will want to play 30 minutes every night from Day 1. We simply won't be able to offer that because our guard rotation includes a superstar, and NBA all-defense guy, a guy with 1 more year of NBA experience, and a Cobra. Even if Terry gets moved on draft day for a big, the pick will not be playing more than 5-15 minutes each night. That is just a reality.
It's a virtually unprecedented situation where the 2 seed (maybe 1?) has one of the best guard rotations in the league, probably the #1 pick in the draft, and the top prospects are all guards.
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If we fall back to 3 or 4 Issac would be perfect for us. We basically get an upgraded Kelly Olynyk.
If we fell to 3 or 4 and ended up with Isaac I would feel like all this attention on this pick would have been a waste
Let's not tempt fate champ. In the words of Lenny Kravitz, you just got to believe.
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Nice article about Isaac. I'm warming to this kid; he kinda fits with where the Celtics are too, i.e. not in need of guards, and not in need of guys (Ball, Fultz) who will demand big playing time...
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/mensbasketball/2017/03/08/clark-nothing-normal-jonathan-isaac/98911474/
Why wouldnt we be in need of guys that can demand big playing time early? I think that would be a huge bonus
I think you missed my point. Fultz, and especially Ball, will want to play 30 minutes every night from Day 1. We simply won't be able to offer that because our guard rotation includes a superstar, and NBA all-defense guy, a guy with 1 more year of NBA experience, and a Cobra. Even if Terry gets moved on draft day for a big, the pick will not be playing more than 5-15 minutes each night. That is just a reality.
It's a virtually unprecedented situation where the 2 seed (maybe 1?) has one of the best guard rotations in the league, probably the #1 pick in the draft, and the top prospects are all guards.
Yeah I looked at it more from the standpoint of saying that they would be ready to play those type of min so they would command them. I get what you are saying.
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He didn't shoot well, but still a workmanlike performance in his first ACC Tourney game.
11 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, and 2 blocks!!! (4-13 shooting overall and 1-4 from three).
I still think that this kid fits us FAR better than Fultz or Ball. That being said, I can see how Josh Jackson fits the Celtics' bill and this team's work ethic and personality. But, in a way, so does Issac!!
Smitty77
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He didn't shoot well, but still a workmanlike performance in his first ACC Tourney game.
11 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, and 2 blocks!!! (4-13 shooting overall and 1-4 from three).
I still think that this kid fits us FAR better than Fultz or Ball. That being said, I can see how Josh Jackson fits the Celtics' bill and this team's work ethic and personality. But, in a way, so does Issac!!
Smitty77
to be clear, you would take this kid over Fultz if given the chance?
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If we land at 4, I think our chances of packaging the pick in a trade for Butler/George increases greatly. Unless there is something "understood" from Hayward camp about signing as FA.
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He didn't shoot well, but still a workmanlike performance in his first ACC Tourney game.
11 points, 12 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, and 2 blocks!!! (4-13 shooting overall and 1-4 from three).
I still think that this kid fits us FAR better than Fultz or Ball. That being said, I can see how Josh Jackson fits the Celtics' bill and this team's work ethic and personality. But, in a way, so does Issac!!
Smitty77
to be clear, you would take this kid over Fultz if given the chance?
I am NOT sure, but I am SURE that is is closer for me than most. More than Ball, likely yes. More than Jackson?? I doubt it.
Smitty77
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My guys in order
1 Ball
2 Fultz
2 Jackson could go either way between Jackson and Fultz and believe Ball is only slightly ahead of both of those guys because of his floor vision and passing
4 Tatum
5 Smith
6 Monk
7 Markkanen
8 Issac
And I don't see a guaranteed superstar(eventual top 5 NBA player) in the bunch.
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Yeah I hearya take this guy over Tatum or Jackson. I cant see that at all.
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Not trying to poke a beehive, but it's awful quiet on this thread after Isaac fouled out in a loss vs. 12 seed Xavier (without their best player) with 8 points on 7 shots. Is there anyone out there that still thinks we should draft this kid, a project IMO, over Fultz, Jackson, Ball and Tatum?
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Not trying to poke a beehive, but it's awful quiet on this thread after Isaac fouled out in a loss vs. 12 seed Xavier (without their best player) with 8 points on 7 shots. Is there anyone out there that still thinks we should draft this kid, a project IMO, over Fultz, Jackson, Ball and Tatum?
No. Maybe Smitty77
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I am thinking Cliff Robinson as a comparison for Isaac.
Cliff Robinson was 6-10 220lbs. Size & athleticism. A terrific defender. Super versatile defensively. He could defend all 3 frontcourt positions and even some two guards. A solid scorer but more comfortable as a 3rd option than a #1 or #2 guy. He was a 20ppg for a few years but seemed happier as a 15-17ppg guy. A bit streaky to be the main scorer. Too big for SFs to handle. To skilled and quick for PFs. A good rebounding SF but below average rebounding PF.
Isaac looks to be a more natural rebounder than Uncle Cliffy. Other than that, I think they share many of the same characteristics.
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Isaac is a better Ingram. This draft is rediculous.
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Isaac is a better Ingram. This draft is rediculous.
He is better at man D and weakside shot blocking but Ingram is much better offensively.
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Isaac is a better Ingram. This draft is rediculous.
He is better at man D and weakside shot blocking but Ingram is much better offensively.
And Ingram's 40.2 FG % clearly PROVES that, as well as his stellar 29.4% from three!!!:-))))
http://www.espn.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers
Smitty77
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Isaac is a better Ingram. This draft is rediculous.
He is better at man D and weakside shot blocking but Ingram is much better offensively.
And Ingram's 40.2 FG % clearly PROVES that, as well as his stellar 29.4% from three!!!:-))))
http://www.espn.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers
Smitty77
Compare their freshman seasons, Ingram clearly was a better offensive player at the same age.
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Isaac is a better Ingram. This draft is rediculous.
He is better at man D and weakside shot blocking but Ingram is much better offensively.
And Ingram's 40.2 FG % clearly PROVES that, as well as his stellar 29.4% from three!!!:-))))
http://www.espn.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers
Smitty77
Compare their freshman seasons, Ingram clearly was a better offensive player at the same age.
I will give you that Ingram is a better offensive player in college at the same age!!!
However, Ingram is the third WORST DEFENDER at his position in the NBA!!! I will GUARANTEE you that Isaac will NEVER EVER be in the bottom three at his position in defensive RPM!!!
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/5
And Ingram is ONLY the 46 rated offensive player at his position DESPITE getting more shots than about all rookies and likely having the most freedom to shot any and EVERY shot he wants to on a Laker TANK machine!!!!
http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/ORPM/position/5
Smitty77
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
That is why Lewis/Durant
Could only mean 20 percent Durant
He does have an intriguing mix of physical tools/skills
Asthma is still a bit of a concern...but if he can manage it...beckham, Bettis has asthma also...
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
Well, they have also compared Adam Morrison to Larry Legend and DeShawn Stevenson to Michael Jordan!!! ;D ;D
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
Well, they had Adam Morrison compared to Larry Legend and DeShawn Stevenson compared to Michael Jordan!!! ;D ;D
Lol
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
That is why Lewis/Durant
Could only mean 20 percent Durant
He does have an intriguing mix of physical tools/skills
Asthma is still a bit of a concern...but if he can manage it...beckham, Bettis has asthma also...
He has a 0% of being Durant. Their games are not alike at all. It's a lazy comparison by a lazy "analyst" who simply looked at a picture of Isaac and saw a tall, lanky wing.
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
That is why Lewis/Durant
Could only mean 20 percent Durant
He does have an intriguing mix of physical tools/skills
Asthma is still a bit of a concern...but if he can manage it...beckham, Bettis has asthma also...
He has a 0% of being Durant. Their games are not alike at all. It's a lazy comparison by a lazy "analyst" who simply looked at a picture of Isaac and saw a tall, lanky wing.
Nobody is saying durant 100 percent
But many 6'11 players can pull this off?
https://youtu.be/x20z22-yj1I
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Nice quick interview after win vs Notre Dame...kind of sounds like Jaylen Brown..
https://youtu.be/8Kv6AMSuvh8
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
That is why Lewis/Durant
Could only mean 20 percent Durant
He does have an intriguing mix of physical tools/skills
Asthma is still a bit of a concern...but if he can manage it...beckham, Bettis has asthma also...
He has a 0% of being Durant. Their games are not alike at all. It's a lazy comparison by a lazy "analyst" who simply looked at a picture of Isaac and saw a tall, lanky wing.
Nobody is saying durant 100 percent
But many 6'11 players can pull this off?
https://youtu.be/x20z22-yj1I
On one play? Literally thousands.
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
That is why Lewis/Durant
Could only mean 20 percent Durant
He does have an intriguing mix of physical tools/skills
Asthma is still a bit of a concern...but if he can manage it...beckham, Bettis has asthma also...
He has a 0% of being Durant. Their games are not alike at all. It's a lazy comparison by a lazy "analyst" who simply looked at a picture of Isaac and saw a tall, lanky wing.
Nobody is saying durant 100 percent
But many 6'11 players can pull this off?
https://youtu.be/x20z22-yj1I
On one play? Literally thousands.
Here..
https://youtu.be/Hnq7SuvyCaA
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I am thinking Cliff Robinson as a comparison for Isaac.
Cliff Robinson was 6-10 220lbs. Size & athleticism. A terrific defender. Super versatile defensively. He could defend all 3 frontcourt positions and even some two guards. A solid scorer but more comfortable as a 3rd option than a #1 or #2 guy. He was a 20ppg for a few years but seemed happier as a 15-17ppg guy. A bit streaky to be the main scorer. Too big for SFs to handle. To skilled and quick for PFs. A good rebounding SF but below average rebounding PF.
Isaac looks to be a more natural rebounder than Uncle Cliffy. Other than that, I think they share many of the same characteristics.
Great comp.
Think how good Cliff would have been in todays style of play!
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I am thinking Cliff Robinson as a comparison for Isaac.
Cliff Robinson was 6-10 220lbs. Size & athleticism. A terrific defender. Super versatile defensively. He could defend all 3 frontcourt positions and even some two guards. A solid scorer but more comfortable as a 3rd option than a #1 or #2 guy. He was a 20ppg for a few years but seemed happier as a 15-17ppg guy. A bit streaky to be the main scorer. Too big for SFs to handle. To skilled and quick for PFs. A good rebounding SF but below average rebounding PF.
Isaac looks to be a more natural rebounder than Uncle Cliffy. Other than that, I think they share many of the same characteristics.
Great comp.
Think how good Cliff would have been in todays style of play!
How was cliff handle?
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
That is why Lewis/Durant
Could only mean 20 percent Durant
He does have an intriguing mix of physical tools/skills
Asthma is still a bit of a concern...but if he can manage it...beckham, Bettis has asthma also...
He has a 0% of being Durant. Their games are not alike at all. It's a lazy comparison by a lazy "analyst" who simply looked at a picture of Isaac and saw a tall, lanky wing.
Nobody is saying durant 100 percent
But many 6'11 players can pull this off?
https://youtu.be/x20z22-yj1I
On one play? Literally thousands.
Here..
https://youtu.be/Hnq7SuvyCaA
Great video compile. Must say, he gets his shot off quickly. He will struggle on defensive end initially, but no denying he has NBA style offensive game. Could see Danny trying to make a move to get him.
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
That is why Lewis/Durant
Could only mean 20 percent Durant
He does have an intriguing mix of physical tools/skills
Asthma is still a bit of a concern...but if he can manage it...beckham, Bettis has asthma also...
He has a 0% of being Durant. Their games are not alike at all. It's a lazy comparison by a lazy "analyst" who simply looked at a picture of Isaac and saw a tall, lanky wing.
Nobody is saying durant 100 percent
But many 6'11 players can pull this off?
https://youtu.be/x20z22-yj1I
On one play? Literally thousands.
Here..
https://youtu.be/Hnq7SuvyCaA
Great video compile. Must say, he gets his shot off quickly. He will struggle on defensive end initially, but no denying he has NBA style offensive game. Could see Danny trying to make a move to get him.
Add 15 pounds of muscle, asthma under control, continue to expand shooting range
High potential..
Like his willingness to play D , block shots and rebound the ball
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
That is why Lewis/Durant
Could only mean 20 percent Durant
He does have an intriguing mix of physical tools/skills
Asthma is still a bit of a concern...but if he can manage it...beckham, Bettis has asthma also...
He has a 0% of being Durant. Their games are not alike at all. It's a lazy comparison by a lazy "analyst" who simply looked at a picture of Isaac and saw a tall, lanky wing.
Nobody is saying durant 100 percent
But many 6'11 players can pull this off?
https://youtu.be/x20z22-yj1I
On one play? Literally thousands.
Here..
https://youtu.be/Hnq7SuvyCaA
Great video compile. Must say, he gets his shot off quickly. He will struggle on defensive end initially, but no denying he has NBA style offensive game. Could see Danny trying to make a move to get him.
Add 15 pounds of muscle, asthma under control, continue to expand shooting range
High potential..
Like his willingness to play D , block shots and rebound the ball
High potential, but low floor. He's much less NBA ready than guys like Fultz, Ball, Tatum and Jackson.
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Nbadraft has updated Isaac comparison to
Rashard Lewis/Durant
Any review of his workout with the Celts?
That demonstrates how garbage that site is. Comparing Isaac to Durant is downright irresponsible.
That is why Lewis/Durant
Could only mean 20 percent Durant
He does have an intriguing mix of physical tools/skills
Asthma is still a bit of a concern...but if he can manage it...beckham, Bettis has asthma also...
He has a 0% of being Durant. Their games are not alike at all. It's a lazy comparison by a lazy "analyst" who simply looked at a picture of Isaac and saw a tall, lanky wing.
Nobody is saying durant 100 percent
But many 6'11 players can pull this off?
https://youtu.be/x20z22-yj1I
On one play? Literally thousands.
Here..
https://youtu.be/Hnq7SuvyCaA
Great video compile. Must say, he gets his shot off quickly. He will struggle on defensive end initially, but no denying he has NBA style offensive game. Could see Danny trying to make a move to get him.
Add 15 pounds of muscle, asthma under control, continue to expand shooting range
High potential..
Like his willingness to play D , block shots and rebound the ball
High potential, but low floor. He's much less NBA ready than guys like Fultz, Ball, Tatum and Jackson.
Yes. Dont forget though he is a pf ... Usually take a little longer to develop
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My feeling is this guy has the highest ceiling of all available players and I would love to see Danny flip #3 for more assets and take this guy at 5
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My feeling is this guy has the highest ceiling of all available players and I would love to see Danny flip #3 for more assets and take this guy at 5
Given the circumstances, that's what I would do as well.
#3 + #37 for #5 + #10
Use #5 to draft Isaac.
Use #10 to draft Ntilikina.
Having said that, I'd much rather have Fultz.
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Did we have a workout with him?
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Did we have a workout with him?
Not in Boston, but apparently offsite, yes.
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Highlights from today's game against the Heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhaCpr7P48
15 points (7/12 shooting), 13 rebs in 22 minutes.
Kid can ball. 8)
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Not bad. I'd like to see him do this in a real NBA game
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Highlights from today's game against the Heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhaCpr7P48
15 points, 12 rebs on 7/12 shooting.
Kid can ball. 8)
looking good... but wait until you see Tatum go to work
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Highlights from today's game against the Heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhaCpr7P48
15 points (7/12 shooting), 12 rebs in 22 minutes.
Kid can ball. 8)
Really? Summer league stats against bad competition? Please.
Watch the games and watch what the players do. SL stats mean nothing when it comes determining how much a player can ball. Its all about scouting their game
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Highlights from today's game against the Heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhaCpr7P48
15 points, 12 rebs on 7/12 shooting.
Kid can ball. 8)
looking good... but wait until you see Tatum go to work
The Sixers game can't come soon enough. Really wanna see both Tatum and Fultz going to work.
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Summer league is like a YMCA pickup game...I never paid any attention to it
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Issac was a very high upside guy. I think he has some skills and is very very long. Summer league is never a good indication. I hope that toxic culture in Orlando does adversely affect this kid.
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Highlights from today's game against the Heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhaCpr7P48
15 points (7/12 shooting), 12 rebs in 22 minutes.
Kid can ball. 8)
Really? Summer league stats against bad competition? Please.
Watch the games and watch what the players do. SL stats mean nothing when it comes determining how much a player can ball. Its all about scouting their game
Not really Worth noting, but Isaac sucked yesterday. Went like 2-7 or something.
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Dude's good.
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Those mid-rangers he generated for himself were not shots he took in college. The fact that he's already displaying seemingly new skills has to be encouraging for Magic fan(s?).
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Highlights from today's game against the Heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhaCpr7P48
15 points (7/12 shooting), 13 rebs in 22 minutes.
Kid can ball. 8)
Looks like an "accidental offense" blooper video.
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Highlights from today's game against the Heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhaCpr7P48
15 points (7/12 shooting), 12 rebs in 22 minutes.
Kid can ball. 8)
Really? Summer league stats against bad competition? Please.
Watch the games and watch what the players do. SL stats mean nothing when it comes determining how much a player can ball. Its all about scouting their game
Not really Worth noting, but Isaac sucked yesterday. Went like 2-7 or something.
7 points (2/10 FGs), 8 rebs, 2 blocks in 21 mins.
Already a better rebounder than anyone on our current roster and he is just 19 years old.
-great rebounder
-spreads the floor
-defends the pick n roll/pick n pop
-protects the rim
Isaac would have been the perfect fit for us next to Horford.
You mean Tatum outplay Fultz ;D
Hopefully 8)
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Highlights from today's game against the Heat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhaCpr7P48
15 points, 12 rebs on 7/12 shooting.
Kid can ball. 8)
looking good... but wait until you see Tatum go to work
The Sixers game can't come soon enough. Really wanna see both Tatum and Fultz going to work.
You mean Tatum outplay Fultz ;D
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Oh for crying out loud, guys.
The #6 overall pick in the draft scored 22 points on 22 shots in two summer league games and got some rebounds against Okaro White.
Now he's the perfect complement to Al Horford and we should have taken him #3.
Sigh.