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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: KG Living Legend on April 08, 2016, 12:44:56 AM
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Not with the Nets pick, later in the first round. Currently projected at #25 from D.E. if you don't feel like watching the video, here is the low down, no doubt.
Also he is from the famed 1997 class along with Bender and three others that are all NBA prospects, he ranks #2 on the list.
Listed at 6'11" 240 pounds already at 19 years old.
Second best rebounder in Adriatic leauge history, of players 20 years or younger.
Also second best Per, in the last 15 years, for players under 20.
Extremely productive, big time motor, great effort on Defense, very tough, awesome on the Offensive glass. Solid free throw shooter 73%.
Looks like a great backup plan if Sabonis, Stone are gone.
https://youtu.be/3OV5JGP5feU
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Not with the Nets pick, later in the first round. Currently projected at #25 from D.E. if you don't feel like watching the video, here is the low down, no doubt.
Listed at 6'11" 240 pounds already at 19 years old.
Second best rebounder in Adriatic history of players 20 years or younger.
Also second best per in the last 15 years, players under 20.
Extremely productive already, big time motor, great effort on Defense, very tough, awesome on the Offensive glass. Solid free throw shooter 73%.
Looks like a great backup plan if Sabonis, Stone are gone.
https://youtu.be/3OV5JGP5feU
Nice draft and stash option. And I agree with you
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TP man. I've heard of his name before but was too lazy to look him up lol.
Btw you do a lot of good draft stuff also. Really appreciate it!
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There you Go TB, Tp brother...
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Tp, All Boston, no problem man, I love the Celtics!
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Sounds good to me, reminds me a bit of Jokic. His brother was a real player in the Euroleague. Yahoo did a nice write-up on him.
Zizic was an easy player to identify, not just because of his size and mature frame, but because his brother, Andrija, who is 17 years older than him, was an important player in Europe. He played more than 100 Euroleague games with teams such as Barcelona, Olympiakos, Panathinaikos and Maccabi Tel Aviv, and participated in many tournaments with the Croatian National Team at the junior and senior levels. The Zizic brothers are now reunited in Croatia, playing for historic club Cibona Zagreb, where Andrija has played more than 200 games dating to 2003. He primarily comes off the bench now, backing up his little brother, who is dominating the Adriatic League in a way few players his age have since its inception in 2001.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch--getting-to-know-ante-zizic-175756968.html
Great option for our pick.
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Your thread title wrongly suggests that you can't draft both.
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Wrong Cannon, personally I'm all set with the risk of Bender with are hard earned Nets top 5 pick. When I can have a kid that's just as good late in the first.
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Wrong Cannon, personally I'm all set with the risk of Bender with are hard earned Nets top 5 pick. When I can have a kid that's just as good late in the first.
So you wouldn't complain if the Celtics ended up drafting both players?
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Worth noting that the 20-30 range in this draft projects to be big man-heavy. Stone, Sabonis, Damian Jones, Zizic, Zimmerman, Zubac...and even higher up you have a good number of big guys.
Of course this will probably only serve to infuriate everyone when Danny drafts Kris Dunn, Wade Baldwin and Tyler Ulis. But it's nice to have options.
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how does this kid compare to sabonis,ellenson,poeltli
is zizic 6-10? do these players come in for workouts?
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Wrong Cannon, personally I'm all set with the risk of Bender with are hard earned Nets top 5 pick. When I can have a kid that's just as good late in the first.
So you wouldn't complain if the Celtics ended up drafting both players?
I think he didn't mean it that way. And no we don't draft both players
I rather try my luck with zizic or zubac with the later 1st, draft and draft and stash. Let's try our best Spurs impression
With the 3- 5th pick someone that is less likely a bust
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im surprised no ones talked about him
On draftexpress he is listed at #25 below Zubac
I think he is better than zubac despite lacking zubac's athleticism and physical tools
And much more likely to become at least serviceable player compared to bender
he just needs more offensive polishing and needs to pass better
already a great rebounder and good defender around the rim and perimeter
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Zizic looks nice. Lacks a bit of lift on his jump it looks like but seems comfortable with contact which should make up for some of that. A great draft and stash option if we end up using a lot of picks.
I don't see how it should have a bearing on who we select with the Nets pick. We should select whoever we feel we can develop into the best player/asset. If that is Bender then let's choose him. I don't want to derail this thread though, we have plenty of those...
I haven't looked at the 20s much yet so I don't know who his competition is. Diallo? Stone? Has anyone looked more closely at them?
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Jones, Stone, Zubac, Zizic, Zimmerman and Cornelie are all big men in the current DE 20-30 range. Jones seems the most athletic, but it hasn't really translated to success on the court despite being a junior. Stone has an old school ZBo type game, not sure it's really a great fit for today's NBA. I really have no idea about the rest.
From the DE descriptions I liked that Zizic is young and actually putting up good numbers in Europe. A draft/stash at the 24 pick seems to make a lot of sense.
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http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ivica-Zubac-73314/
This Zubac kid sounds raw, but might be a draft and stash option as well.
Smitty77
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I really like Zizic. From DX:
He gets quite a bit of his offense rolling and cutting to the basket, where he has excellent timing, hands and touch and will often finish plays above the rim emphatically, which he seems to enjoy doing. His effort on the court might be the best thing he offers, as he is incredibly physical...
He's also a willing and competitive defender...
needs to continue to improve his offensive polish, particularly in terms of his footwork, awareness and ability to use countermoves when his initial attempts are cut off...
just 15 assists on the season, compared with 66 turnovers...
The success that other highly productive Adriatic League big men, such as Nikola Pekovic, Nikola Jokic and Jusuf Nurkic, are having in the NBA right now should help his draft stock, as he's been similarly productive to those three at the same age.
Indeed, I think he actually has better physical tools than any of Pekovic, Jokic and Nurkic. He's big, strong, long, and athletic. He could easily be a candidate with the Mavs pick (although I still like Jeanne a bit better).
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DE thinks Jeanne will be in next year's draft.
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http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ivica-Zubac-73314/
This Zubac kid sounds raw, but might be a draft and stash option as well.
Smitty77
Zubac and zipser (who is like a Jerebko)
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http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ivica-Zubac-73314/
This Zubac kid sounds raw, but might be a draft and stash option as well.
Smitty77
If Thon Maker is eligible he will likely go in the same range (20-30). Who would be a better draft and stash with our pick? Maker or Zizic.
I think Zizic has the chance of being a late round steal like a Vucevic, Jocic, or Nurkic.
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im surprised no ones talked about him
On draftexpress he is listed at #25 below Zubac
I think he is better than zubac despite lacking zubac's athleticism and physical tools
And much more likely to become at least serviceable player compared to bender
he just needs more offensive polishing and needs to pass better
already a great rebounder and good defender around the rim and perimeter
I agree. Zizic looks like a considerably better prospect than Zubac. From that part of the draft, I'd like Zizic or Sabonis -- not interested in Zimmerman or Stone.
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im surprised no ones talked about him
On draftexpress he is listed at #25 below Zubac
I think he is better than zubac despite lacking zubac's athleticism and physical tools
And much more likely to become at least serviceable player compared to bender
he just needs more offensive polishing and needs to pass better
already a great rebounder and good defender around the rim and perimeter
I agree. Zizic looks like a considerably better prospect than Zubac. From that part of the draft, I'd like Zizic or Sabonis -- not interested in Zimmerman or Stone.
Can you explain liking Zizic over Zubac? I read scouting reports on both and it seemed like Zubac's game fits in the modern NBA more than Zizic, but since all I've read are scouting reports I'd love to have your opinion and could be easily convinced.
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I have stated on posts before then I really like the idea of Bender with the Nets pick and Zizic with the Cs pick. Long term it can only help their development being together.
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http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ivica-Zubac-73314/
This Zubac kid sounds raw, but might be a draft and stash option as well.
Smitty77
Zubac and zipser (who is like a Jerebko)
Triboy, would like your list of top big men in this draft, in order. I guess Sabonis is your favorite, if you call him a big. What is your order after that??
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I'm interested in Juan Hernangomez
Halfway through the ACB regular season, it's safe to say that 20-year old Juan Hernangomez (also called Juancho Hernangomez) has been the revelation of the Spanish league thus far. The 6'9 face-up power forward is putting up historic numbers with Estudiantes for a player his age. His 11.3 points ranks as the highest per game scoring average for a player under 21 since Rudy Fernandez's 13.7 ten years ago. Additionally, his 20.6 PER ranks is second best in the last decade as well (behind Nikola Mirotic), eclipsing some big names (Ricky Rubio, Tiago Splitter, Serge Ibaka, Kristaps Porzingis, Ersan Ilyasova, and his older brother Guillermo/Willy [drafted by the Knicks last June]) in the process so far.
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im surprised no ones talked about him
On draftexpress he is listed at #25 below Zubac
I think he is better than zubac despite lacking zubac's athleticism and physical tools
And much more likely to become at least serviceable player compared to bender
he just needs more offensive polishing and needs to pass better
already a great rebounder and good defender around the rim and perimeter
I agree. Zizic looks like a considerably better prospect than Zubac. From that part of the draft, I'd like Zizic or Sabonis -- not interested in Zimmerman or Stone.
Can you explain liking Zizic over Zubac? I read scouting reports on both and it seemed like Zubac's game fits in the modern NBA more than Zizic, but since all I've read are scouting reports I'd love to have your opinion and could be easily convinced.
Zizic seems to have been the more productive player in the same league. Also, I like big men who play with effort ;) Also not sure what to make of the potential NBA transition of someone who is considered a late bloomer in a second-tier European league.
I've only taken a very cursory look on both though, so perhaps take me with a grain of salt here.
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I'm interested in Juan Hernangomez
Halfway through the ACB regular season, it's safe to say that 20-year old Juan Hernangomez (also called Juancho Hernangomez) has been the revelation of the Spanish league thus far. The 6'9 face-up power forward is putting up historic numbers with Estudiantes for a player his age. His 11.3 points ranks as the highest per game scoring average for a player under 21 since Rudy Fernandez's 13.7 ten years ago. Additionally, his 20.6 PER ranks is second best in the last decade as well (behind Nikola Mirotic), eclipsing some big names (Ricky Rubio, Tiago Splitter, Serge Ibaka, Kristaps Porzingis, Ersan Ilyasova, and his older brother Guillermo/Willy [drafted by the Knicks last June]) in the process so far.
Can he play defense or pass the ball?
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how does this kid compare to sabonis,ellenson,poeltli
is zizic 6-10? do these players come in for workouts?
rollie, he is 6' 11"
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ante-Zizic-68722/
someone else to look at, another euro, ranked right next to zizic on draftexpress is:
ivica zubac, 7' 1"
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ivica-Zubac-73314/
the Zs are out in force this year. ;D
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I'm interested in Juan Hernangomez
Halfway through the ACB regular season, it's safe to say that 20-year old Juan Hernangomez (also called Juancho Hernangomez) has been the revelation of the Spanish league thus far. The 6'9 face-up power forward is putting up historic numbers with Estudiantes for a player his age. His 11.3 points ranks as the highest per game scoring average for a player under 21 since Rudy Fernandez's 13.7 ten years ago. Additionally, his 20.6 PER ranks is second best in the last decade as well (behind Nikola Mirotic), eclipsing some big names (Ricky Rubio, Tiago Splitter, Serge Ibaka, Kristaps Porzingis, Ersan Ilyasova, and his older brother Guillermo/Willy [drafted by the Knicks last June]) in the process so far.
yes, he pulled out of the draft last year and i had been hoping the celtics would pick him. greece666 also thinks highly of hernangomez.
he doesnt appear to be nba all star material, but as a late first round pick i think he will become a solid rotation player. i think his varied skill set will fit in well with CBS' schemes.
here is more info on him:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Juan-Hernangomez-73096/
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I'm interested in Juan Hernangomez
Halfway through the ACB regular season, it's safe to say that 20-year old Juan Hernangomez (also called Juancho Hernangomez) has been the revelation of the Spanish league thus far. The 6'9 face-up power forward is putting up historic numbers with Estudiantes for a player his age. His 11.3 points ranks as the highest per game scoring average for a player under 21 since Rudy Fernandez's 13.7 ten years ago. Additionally, his 20.6 PER ranks is second best in the last decade as well (behind Nikola Mirotic), eclipsing some big names (Ricky Rubio, Tiago Splitter, Serge Ibaka, Kristaps Porzingis, Ersan Ilyasova, and his older brother Guillermo/Willy [drafted by the Knicks last June]) in the process so far.
Any word if he is a stash candidate?
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Wrong Cannon, personally I'm all set with the risk of Bender with are hard earned Nets top 5 pick. When I can have a kid that's just as good late in the first.
So you wouldn't complain if the Celtics ended up drafting both players?
I would complain if we drafted both, I just don't want to take Bender with the Nets pick that's all.
If he wants to take two Euro's with the Mavs and Celtics pick that's fine.
Nets pick either trade for a Veteran, or Okafor, or take a less risky American Stud.
Bumped. Funny careful what you wish for, Wrote this before the draft and look what happened, we drafted an American Stud with the Nets pick, and Two Euro's with the Dallas and Boston picks. Tp KG, oh wait I can't tip myself...
Spot on Kg though nice work.
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Hmm, very good point about Zizic. I love that he is a tough rebounder, physical, has post skills, and uses what he has very well at a young age of only 19. You've got to remember he is producing against adult pros in the Adriatic league so I find that more impressive than numbers put up against collegiate competition.
I've changed my mind several times about the draft but right now I'm thinking --
1. Jamal Murray - pure scorer with upside
2. Taurean Prince - jae crowder 2.0
3. Ante Zizic - tough rebounder/big man
That would give our team a lot of versatility, and hopefully Murray turns into that star player and Prince and Zizic add depth, toughness, and rebounding.
Of course if Blake Griffin becomes available, I'd be willing to trade all those picks and more... LOL
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Oh wow, OC for the CBForums. TP.
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Wrong Cannon, personally I'm all set with the risk of Bender with are hard earned Nets top 5 pick. When I can have a kid that's just as good late in the first.
So you wouldn't complain if the Celtics ended up drafting both players?
I would complain if we drafted both, I just don't want to take Bender with the Nets pick that's all.
If he wants to take two Euro's with the Mavs and Celtics pick that's fine.
Nets pick either trade for a Veteran, or Okafor, or take a less risky American Stud.
But who is the less risky American Stud? His competition for the #3 pick as I see it is Brown, Hield and Murray. Brown there is a lot of uncertainty over, although I do think he'll come good. Murray seems like the best of both worlds, some upside and some surety. Which leaves us with Hield, he's had an outstanding year but there should be concerns over whether he can translate his scoring in front of NBA defences and whether he can defend at this level.
Basically I think everyone has risks and at this point in time there isn't enough to justify putting them ahead of Bender
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Boom! Nailed this pick on April 8th. And he actually was available at #23 as anticipated.
Shocking though, Ainge will draft Euro's if he likes them.
Bumped.
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I liked Zizic better, I saw some of the stuff the scouts talked about when you saw tape on him. I can't say this is the case when I watched Bender.
Better stats too
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Ante-Zizic/Summary/49134
Rather take this than potential that may never bloom.
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Ive always hoped we would draft Zizic, was worried he would be drafted a few spots before.
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Not only did I say we should take an American Stud with the Nets pick, Check. I also said go ahead and draft Euro's with the Dallas and Boston picks Check and Check.
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Boom! Nailed this pick on April 8th. And he actually was available at #23 as anticipated.
Shocking though, Ainge will draft Euro's if he likes them.
Bumped.
You nailed it.
Bender is going to need 2-3 yeara before his body is ready for the nba
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The more I see of this Zizic kid what's not to like? I love the way he plays. Looks like he's got some Steven Adams in him.
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http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ivica-Zubac-73314/
This Zubac kid sounds raw, but might be a draft and stash option as well.
Smitty77
Should have with our 31st pick. Sigh.
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Boom! Nailed this pick on April 8th. And he actually was available at #23 as anticipated.
Shocking though, Ainge will draft Euro's if he likes them.
Bumped.
You nailed it.
Bender is going to need 2-3 yeara before his body is ready for the nba
Every single person Danny drafted this year is built like a tank. Has anyone else noticed? They are all NBA ready physically, big time.
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Good call KG...tp
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Not only did I say we should take an American Stud with the Nets pick, Check. I also said go ahead and draft Euro's with the Dallas and Boston picks Check and Check.
TP for getting it right!
After watching the Zizic highlights I really like how hard he plays. If he can bring that type of energy consistently he has a place in the NBA. He is the type of rebounder this team will need if they move on from Sullinger long term.
I'd be fine giving a free agent agent center a two year deal, then by year 3 Zizic, Yabusele or someone else we draft will be ready to take over in the front curt. Hopefully this is the start of drafting well internationally. The spurs have found countless quality players doing this and it would be nice if we could emulate that.
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Zizic, Yabusele, and Jackson will all be better pros than Bender.
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Zizic, Yabusele, and Jackson will all be better pros than Bender.
Wow...that's bold.
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Boom! Nailed this pick on April 8th. And he actually was available at #23 as anticipated.
Shocking though, Ainge will draft Euro's if he likes them.
Bumped.
You nailed it.
Bender is going to need 2-3 yeara before his body is ready for the nba
Every single person Danny drafted this year is built like a tank. Has anyone else noticed? They are all NBA ready physically, big time.
One of the needs not much discussed here was to improve the overall athleticism of the team. That might not be very effective without also having an NBA-ready body.
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Zizic, Yabusele, and Jackson will all be better pros than Bender.
Wow...that's bold.
Time will tell. I had Bender at 20 with Jackson and Yabusele right next to him pre-draft. I don't know enough about Zizic, but he looks good. So I'll rephrase - 3 of our picks this year will be better, including Brown. :)
I think Jackson was an absolute steal. Very mature player.
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I really like Zizic. From DX:
He gets quite a bit of his offense rolling and cutting to the basket, where he has excellent timing, hands and touch and will often finish plays above the rim emphatically, which he seems to enjoy doing. His effort on the court might be the best thing he offers, as he is incredibly physical...
He's also a willing and competitive defender...
needs to continue to improve his offensive polish, particularly in terms of his footwork, awareness and ability to use countermoves when his initial attempts are cut off...
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Indeed, I think he actually has better physical tools than any of Pekovic, Jokic and Nurkic. He's big, strong, long, and athletic. He could easily be a candidate with the Mavs pick (although I still like Jeanne a bit better).
Is it just me, or does the above sound like a description of a young Anderson Verajao?
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I'll take a young Verajao, no problem. I think that is a good comp.
I'd click like on your post if it had one.
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Bumped. Prophetic words.
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I'll take a young Verajao, no problem. I think that is a good comp.
I'd click like on your post if it had one.
TP, Green shooter.
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I stuck my neck out for this guy, when the Bender hype train was full tilt. Don't let me down Ante!
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He won't. He is a good player who will have success in the NBA. Now, if he can develop a mid-range shot.....
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You've bumped your own thread to congratulate yourself 3 times. I believe 5 is the CBlog record, you go KGL.
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You've bumped your own thread to congratulate yourself 3 times. I believe 5 is the CBlog record, you go KGL.
who set the record? ;D
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I am very glad we did not take Bender. I thought he was going to be a bust/project.
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I still remember posts about the very strong Israeli league and how difficult it was for Bender to get play time.....
There was also a league ranking system with friendly tournaments ranked higher than Euroleague that people considered reliable
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To be fair to Bender, it isn't like he's had much of a chance so far, he's been injured. Big year for him though if he wants to prove his lottery value.
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To be fair to Bender, it isn't like he's had much of a chance so far, he's been injured. Big year for him though if he wants to prove his lottery value.
He just was not physically ready when he entered the league, too weak and too skinny, those are things he can improve. But some guys thought he was going to be great out of the gate, I don't know how one would think that if they watched any tape of him, unless they did not have their glasses on.
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To be fair to Bender, it isn't like he's had much of a chance so far, he's been injured. Big year for him though if he wants to prove his lottery value.
Living in Phoenix, i can tell you most of Suns Nation already considers him a bust. Never shows a thing ever, Regular league garbage time, SL, always looks lost and terrible.
He probably wont get a second NBA contract..
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To be fair to Bender, it isn't like he's had much of a chance so far, he's been injured. Big year for him though if he wants to prove his lottery value.
Living in Phoenix, i can tell you most of Suns Nation already considers him a bust. Never shows a thing ever, Regular league garbage time, SL, always looks lost and terrible.
He probably wont get a second NBA contract..
Admittedly I was on the hype train for him. What was recognised was that his body had a long way to go before he was ready. His upside was his versatility which I think is still there. It will probably be his 3rd year before he really hits his stride as a player, at the moment it looks like that won't be a problem in Phoenix but things can change quickly. I do think he will need to show good progress this year, Porzingis has shown you can make an impact even if your body isn't quite there so the pressure is on.
Remember that he is the same age as some of the guys coming out of this years draft, he's actually half a year younger than Josh Jackson and only 4 months older than Tatum. It doesn't justify such a high draft spot but it should tell you that he will need time to prove his place in the league. When he initially declared for the draft I thought it might be as a draft and stash but unfortunately he didn't seem interested in that.
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To be fair to Bender, it isn't like he's had much of a chance so far, he's been injured. Big year for him though if he wants to prove his lottery value.
He just was not physically ready when he entered the league, too weak and too skinny, those are things he can improve. But some guys thought he was going to be great out of the gate, I don't know how one would think that if they watched any tape of him, unless they did not have their glasses on.
I think it was the Porzingis effect.
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To be fair to Bender, it isn't like he's had much of a chance so far, he's been injured. Big year for him though if he wants to prove his lottery value.
He just was not physically ready when he entered the league, too weak and too skinny, those are things he can improve. But some guys thought he was going to be great out of the gate, I don't know how one would think that if they watched any tape of him, unless they did not have their glasses on.
I think it was the Porzingis effect.
No one, even I as a Croat, thought he would contribute right away. He was the 2nd youngest guy in the last years draft after a "redshirt" year in Maccabi. He is 19 now, 19.
What are Dunn or Bryce Johnson? Prospects aged 24 (LOL) 4,5 years older than him, didn't show anything. Can we make a thread about them being busts? Chriss? Just an athlete, not an ounce of basketball feel in him. Like I am looking a soccer goalkeeper or a swimmer on the court (exaggurating to prove a point). Leave Bender alone with 5 years of the biggest development years in front of him. Jump on these old (usually American) underwhelmers, not on 19 year olds.
Euro is coming, Bender will get a chance there.
Maybe that would give him some increased PT and confidence at senior level.
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To be fair to Bender, it isn't like he's had much of a chance so far, he's been injured. Big year for him though if he wants to prove his lottery value.
He just was not physically ready when he entered the league, too weak and too skinny, those are things he can improve. But some guys thought he was going to be great out of the gate, I don't know how one would think that if they watched any tape of him, unless they did not have their glasses on.
I think it was the Porzingis effect.
No one, even I as a Croat, thought he would contribute right away. He was the 2nd youngest guy in the last years draft after a "redshirt" year in Maccabi. He is 19 now, 19.
What are Dunn or Bryce Johnson? Prospects aged 24 (LOL) 4,5 years older than him, didn't show anything. Can we make a thread about them being busts? Chriss? Just an athlete, not an ounce of basketball feel in him. Like I am looking a soccer goalkeeper or a swimmer on the court (exaggurating to prove a point). Leave Bender alone with 5 years of the biggest development years in front of him. Jump on these old (usually American) underwhelmers, not on 19 year olds.
Euro is coming, Bender will get a chance there.
Maybe that would give him some increased PT and confidence at senior level.
Andro, I hear you he needs Time the original point was why Gamble on this kid with the third pick when at #23 we can get another Euro, almost the same age, who is about 260 pounds, tough, strong, and ready to play now, that has a defined role.
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I was sold on him as #3, our last years pick. I also thought we needed 3/4 years for contending at the time. But Horford signed, the east got weaker, Hayward came, east got weaker and LBJ phoned to his beloved fans that he will leave them once more, making the east - weaker in the future. BTW, Clevelands 11 LBJ years with just a single title is a weak score on my book. When you are having the best player of the generation, you got to squeeze out more juice from that. We would get 5-6 with him in that span.
Now, Bender doesn't look like he would be a good 3rd pick for us after these events. Žižić looks to have a true 5 role. His upside is limited, but as you said, his role is easy to define. Big that sets screens and controls the defensive glass. It might sound simple unspectacular, or shallow, but we need it. That was our weakness last year. Bender can't solve those issues even if he turns out to be a good NBA player.
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Zizic is no Bill Walton , but At least he is built tuff and tuff minded , so he should be servicable center . Bender just looks frail and like a bad knee injury waiting to happen.