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Title: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 17, 2016, 05:31:52 PM
Pretty much going to form right now. Anybody watching?

Yale/Baylor has been a very exciting game. 5 could beat 12 here.

Makai Mason with Yale NCAA scoring record (30?).

Taurean Prince looks like someone for either our 2nd or third pick.

UConn came back earlier to win.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Donoghus on March 17, 2016, 05:36:34 PM
Just watched the last 5 minutes of Yale/Baylor.  That set basketball back years between Yale's inability to figure out a full court press & Baylor's just general stupidity.   That's why I'll take NBA over NCAA every day of the week.

Would love see Holy Cross shock the world tomm night & become the first 16 seed to beat a 1 seed.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 17, 2016, 05:39:03 PM
Just watched the last 5 minutes of Yale/Baylor.  That set basketball back years between Yale's inability to figure out a full court press & Baylor's just general stupidity.   That's why I'll take NBA over NCAA every day of the week.

Would love see Holy Cross shock the world tomm night & become the first 16 seed to beat a 1 seed.

Me too...and Tommy would be out of his mind. I'd pay to see him react if they ever won.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 17, 2016, 05:42:52 PM
Baylor game was a mess, but I like Taurean Prince.  Every team in the NBA can use guys like that.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 17, 2016, 05:48:30 PM
I just realized that in the one bracket where I had Yale winning, I accidentally chose IONA instead of IOWA st. That might be the difference between a perfect first day and a failure lol
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on March 17, 2016, 06:12:36 PM
I'm definitely starting to regret my Little Rock pick. They really cannot shoot to save their lives.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Donoghus on March 17, 2016, 07:13:26 PM
This Purdue game is something else.  Double OT now.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Celtic Fan Forever on March 17, 2016, 07:28:19 PM
I'm definitely starting to regret my Little Rock pick. They really cannot shoot to save their lives.

Don't mind eating my words here. Unbelievable win for my bracket! What a comeback by Little Rock!!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 17, 2016, 07:45:06 PM
This Purdue game is something else.  Double OT now.

Purdue's coach can't coach.

Wow. How he allowed a 15-3 run against his team is beyond me. And then his best player, AJ Hammons, could not even get a touch.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 17, 2016, 07:46:44 PM
I'm definitely starting to regret my Little Rock pick. They really cannot shoot to save their lives.

Don't mind eating my words here. Unbelievable win for my bracket! What a comeback by Little Rock!!

Ha ha.

Nice! I'm the only one that had Little Rock in our pool, this is indeed a huge win for both our brackets.

I missed out on Yale, but no one else picked them either, so as far as I know, I'm one up. Thank you for your resilience, Little Rock.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 17, 2016, 07:48:45 PM
This Purdue game is something else.  Double OT now.

Purdue's coach can't coach.

Wow. How he allowed a 15-3 run against his team is beyond me. And then his best player, AJ Hammons, could not even get a touch.

Hammons looked kinda passive, kinda like "eh, I don't really care". Is he always like that or was it just bc he wasn't getting the ball/Purdue lost its lead?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 17, 2016, 08:15:26 PM
Oh wow.

Too early to tell but there's a big #16 scare coming from Raleigh.

Florida Gulf Coast is giving North Carolina all it can handle. Only down 1 at halftime.

Could this be the year?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: jpotter33 on March 18, 2016, 12:02:31 AM
Wow, Providence wins it at the last second after getting screwed with horrible calls the last several minutes of the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 12:13:26 AM
Oh man.

I feel bad for USC, but Providence and that great baseline out of bounds poise was just brilliant.

I love the Tournament. That's two great games we saw today. And theres more!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Celtics18 on March 18, 2016, 02:37:24 AM
So, on that last play by Providence, it appeared to me like the inbounds pass might have bounced right off the end line before landing in Bullock's hand.

If that were the case, wouldn't that be an out of bounds turnover?  Haven't heard any of the talking heads mention it.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Eddie20 on March 18, 2016, 09:16:30 AM
Utah vs Gonzaga tomorrow (Poeltl vs Sabonis) is going to be a good one!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 18, 2016, 09:34:26 AM
Utah vs Gonzaga tomorrow (Poeltl vs Sabonis) is going to be a good one!

I agree.

Nice to have head to heads especially at the same position regarding players that will likely be around when we pick.

Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Moranis on March 18, 2016, 09:49:57 AM
Have like 40 person poll and I am only 1 of 2 that has Xavier winning it all, so if Xavier wins I am all but guaranteed 1st or 2nd.  Having said that, Xavier probably loses in the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: JohnBoy65 on March 18, 2016, 09:59:43 AM
I know I am in the minority, but I hate the NCAA Tournament. I think it's the worst way to crown a champion. There's no advantage to being a higher seed. Can we please get the first 2 rounds at home of the higher seed, and then move the sweet 16 on to neutral courts?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 18, 2016, 10:23:14 AM
I know I am in the minority, but I hate the NCAA Tournament. I think it's the worst way to crown a champion. There's no advantage to being a higher seed. Can we please get the first 2 rounds at home of the higher seed, and then move the sweet 16 on to neutral courts?

Highest seeds generally get something close to homecourt - UNC and/or Duke almost always get to play in Raleigh or Greensboro for example.  Even when they aren't as close the tourney's structured so they travel less.  The main advantage is that you're playing inferior teams, though.

I think the problem with actual HCA is scheduling and $.  The NCAA doesn't want to have to use a tiny venue like Cameron Indoor for their marquee event when they could sell 4x the tickets in a bigger arena.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: JohnBoy65 on March 18, 2016, 10:30:51 AM
I know I am in the minority, but I hate the NCAA Tournament. I think it's the worst way to crown a champion. There's no advantage to being a higher seed. Can we please get the first 2 rounds at home of the higher seed, and then move the sweet 16 on to neutral courts?

Highest seeds generally get something close to homecourt - UNC and/or Duke almost always get to play in Raleigh or Greensboro for example.  Even when they aren't as close the tourney's structured so they travel less.  The main advantage is that you're playing inferior teams, though.

I think the problem with actual HCA is scheduling and $.  The NCAA doesn't want to have to use a tiny venue like Cameron Indoor for their marquee event when they could sell 4x the tickets in a bigger arena.

A couple problems I have:

1) Read a good article from Joe Lunardi explaining how poorly the committee did scheduling teams close to their respective areas. For example, I think Oregon is playing in Providence Rhode Island.

2) Right you're supposed to play an inferior team, but in this format it gives everyone an equal chance. That's fine if that's what you're going for, but then seeding is pointless. That's like Golden State playing a one game series against Utah on a neutral court. Utah could win that game even though they're the 'inferior opponent'

3) I get the money thing, and that's why the tournament will never change because of how much money it makes, but the Women's tournament have HCA in the first 2 rounds, so it can be done.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Evantime34 on March 18, 2016, 10:31:24 AM
Utah vs Gonzaga tomorrow (Poeltl vs Sabonis) is going to be a good one!
I was really impressed by Poeltl last night. If we draft at 4/5 I'd consider him. He has great footwork, solid quickness, and sets hard screens. When he got the ball with good position it was an automatic 2 and he was difficult to handle in the pick and roll. On defense he directed their entire defense and kept people out of the paint.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 18, 2016, 10:36:25 AM
I know I am in the minority, but I hate the NCAA Tournament. I think it's the worst way to crown a champion. There's no advantage to being a higher seed. Can we please get the first 2 rounds at home of the higher seed, and then move the sweet 16 on to neutral courts?

Highest seeds generally get something close to homecourt - UNC and/or Duke almost always get to play in Raleigh or Greensboro for example.  Even when they aren't as close the tourney's structured so they travel less.  The main advantage is that you're playing inferior teams, though.

I think the problem with actual HCA is scheduling and $.  The NCAA doesn't want to have to use a tiny venue like Cameron Indoor for their marquee event when they could sell 4x the tickets in a bigger arena.

A couple problems I have:

1) Read a good article from Joe Lunardi explaining how poorly the committee did scheduling teams close to their respective areas. For example, I think Oregon is playing in Providence Rhode Island.

2) Right you're supposed to play an inferior team, but in this format it gives everyone an equal chance. That's fine if that's what you're going for, but then seeding is pointless. That's like Golden State playing a one game series against Utah on a neutral court. Utah could win that game even though they're the 'inferior opponent'

3) I get the money thing, and that's why the tournament will never change because of how much money it makes, but the Women's tournament have HCA in the first 2 rounds, so it can be done.

I respect your points but I don't think seeding is "pointless" when you're playing inferior teams.  Even though everything gets settled on the court and everyone starts 0-0, there's a big difference between UNC having to play FGCU and USC vs, say, Purdue and Kentucky to get to the Sweet 16.  Sure, the lower seed could win, but what's the alternative?  Series are impractical, and any format that virtually guarantees the best team wins calls into question why those lesser teams should even be allowed in.  Upsets are part of the equation and make the tournament more exciting in my opinion.

Oregon is playing in Spokane, Washington BTW.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: JohnBoy65 on March 18, 2016, 11:14:33 AM
I know I am in the minority, but I hate the NCAA Tournament. I think it's the worst way to crown a champion. There's no advantage to being a higher seed. Can we please get the first 2 rounds at home of the higher seed, and then move the sweet 16 on to neutral courts?

Highest seeds generally get something close to homecourt - UNC and/or Duke almost always get to play in Raleigh or Greensboro for example.  Even when they aren't as close the tourney's structured so they travel less.  The main advantage is that you're playing inferior teams, though.

I think the problem with actual HCA is scheduling and $.  The NCAA doesn't want to have to use a tiny venue like Cameron Indoor for their marquee event when they could sell 4x the tickets in a bigger arena.

A couple problems I have:

1) Read a good article from Joe Lunardi explaining how poorly the committee did scheduling teams close to their respective areas. For example, I think Oregon is playing in Providence Rhode Island.

2) Right you're supposed to play an inferior team, but in this format it gives everyone an equal chance. That's fine if that's what you're going for, but then seeding is pointless. That's like Golden State playing a one game series against Utah on a neutral court. Utah could win that game even though they're the 'inferior opponent'

3) I get the money thing, and that's why the tournament will never change because of how much money it makes, but the Women's tournament have HCA in the first 2 rounds, so it can be done.

I respect your points but I don't think seeding is "pointless" when you're playing inferior teams.  Even though everything gets settled on the court and everyone starts 0-0, there's a big difference between UNC having to play FGCU and USC vs, say, Purdue and Kentucky to get to the Sweet 16.  Sure, the lower seed could win, but what's the alternative?  Series are impractical, and any format that virtually guarantees the best team wins calls into question why those lesser teams should even be allowed in.  Upsets are part of the equation and make the tournament more exciting in my opinion.

Oregon is playing in Spokane, Washington BTW.

1) You're right. It's fun to cheer for the 'cinderella team', and upsets are fun. That's why it'll never change.

2) The alternative: Play rounds 1 and 2 with a legit home court advantage. Cameron indoor, Dean dome, Carrier dome etc. If Yale wins on the road at Baylor that's a good win and good for them.

3) Won't get into it, but sure, I am ok with getting rid of automatic bids to lesser conferences, again it won't ever happen, but in college football a 12-0 MAC champion probably won't make a big time bowl, so why include a 14-19 Holy Cross? 

4) I agree a 1 seed playing a 16 seed matters. The stats prove it. Never has a 1 seed lost. As you go down the list and get to that 8-9 matchup you start seeing them matter less. What advantage did Baylor have over yale yesterday? Or Little Rock over Purdue? They didn't have one, so that means that 5 seed was meaningless.

5) Sorry for the mess up on that Oregon statement, maybe if they win they need to go to Providence? I thought I remembered them being connected to Providence, but I could be totally mistaken.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 18, 2016, 12:14:20 PM
I respect your points but I don't think seeding is "pointless" when you're playing inferior teams.  Even though everything gets settled on the court and everyone starts 0-0, there's a big difference between UNC having to play FGCU and USC vs, say, Purdue and Kentucky to get to the Sweet 16.  Sure, the lower seed could win, but what's the alternative?  Series are impractical, and any format that virtually guarantees the best team wins calls into question why those lesser teams should even be allowed in.  Upsets are part of the equation and make the tournament more exciting in my opinion.

Oregon is playing in Spokane, Washington BTW.


4) I agree a 1 seed playing a 16 seed matters. The stats prove it. Never has a 1 seed lost. As you go down the list and get to that 8-9 matchup you start seeing them matter less. What advantage did Baylor have over yale yesterday? Or Little Rock over Purdue? They didn't have one, so that means that 5 seed was meaningless.

With all due respect, that's not at all what that means.  It seems like you're arguing that unless the higher seed always wins the seed is "meaningless".  That's not at all accurate.  15 seeds beat 2s sometimes, but they also lose 90+% of the time.  That's not meaningless.  12 seeds beat 5 seeds with notorious regularlity, but they still lose more than they win.  That's not meaningless either.  The top seeds win more often than not across the board, with I believe the sole exception of 9 seeds who beat 8s a little more often.  I mean, would you argue that NBA seeds are meaningless since the lower seeds have sometimes won every matchup, including 8s beating 1s?

5) Sorry for the mess up on that Oregon statement, maybe if they win they need to go to Providence? I thought I remembered them being connected to Providence, but I could be totally mistaken.

Their regional is in Anaheim CA.  Providence only hosts 1st/2nd round games, and the top seeds there were Miami and Duke. 
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: JohnBoy65 on March 18, 2016, 12:42:01 PM
In nearly every sport you work towards the highest seed you can be because it offers some sort of advantage. In nearly every sport it's a home court/field advantage. The NCAA gives no advantage to the higher seed in this tournament. They play close to their campus that's it. In a one game winner take all format it's an even playing field, in my opinion. It's a game of basketball, anyone can win. If that's the case then being the higher seed does not matter. IF you play the game at home then it does matter. Would Duke have lost to Mercer and Lehigh at home? Probably not, but because of the format they were offered no advantage to being a 2 seed.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 02:03:07 PM
Cal game is starting.  Really interested to see how Jaylen Brown does in this tournament.  Haven't gotten to watch him in live games yet this year, and I have a lot of questions about him as a prospect.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: slamtheking on March 18, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
In nearly every sport you work towards the highest seed you can be because it offers some sort of advantage. In nearly every sport it's a home court/field advantage. The NCAA gives no advantage to the higher seed in this tournament. They play close to their campus that's it. In a one game winner take all format it's an even playing field, in my opinion. It's a game of basketball, anyone can win. If that's the case then being the higher seed does not matter. IF you play the game at home then it does matter. Would Duke have lost to Mercer and Lehigh at home? Probably not, but because of the format they were offered no advantage to being a 2 seed.
the advantage to seeding is that the teams deemed stronger get to play against teams deemed weaker.  That in and of itself is a huge advantage that allows the vast bulk of the higher seeded teams to advance. 

If a top seed loses to a lower seed, that's part of the Cinderella magic of the tournament and too bad for the higher seeded team.  I think you'll the majority of people who watch/like the tournament to find that a big draw.  I don't hear a whole lot of people that follow the tournament get upset when a high seed loses, quite the opposite in fact.  the exception of course is when it's someone who's in a tournament pool and lost a team that they projected to go far.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 03:48:39 PM
Tell you what, this Jordan Matthews kid looks pretty good.  Is he on the draft radar?


Jaylen Brown has been unimpressive.  In fact, his poor defense and ballhandling have stood out to me, as opposed to anything positive.  He should probably stay in school another year, but I suspect his draft stock will be too high after workouts.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 03:55:22 PM
Tell you what, this Jordan Matthews kid looks pretty good.  Is he on the draft radar?


Jaylen Brown has been unimpressive.  In fact, his poor defense and ballhandling have stood out to me, as opposed to anything positive.  He should probably stay in school another year, but I suspect his draft stock will be too high after workouts.

Yeah, was high on Brown but this unimpressive showing might hit his draft stock. Which is good for us I think.

I really believe there is still a ton to work with there, and if he drops, he could be withing reach if we could move up using the Dallas and our pick.

California, though, man. I have them going to the Elite 8, very unimpressive perfomance.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Evantime34 on March 18, 2016, 03:58:53 PM
Tell you what, this Jordan Matthews kid looks pretty good.  Is he on the draft radar?


Jaylen Brown has been unimpressive.  In fact, his poor defense and ballhandling have stood out to me, as opposed to anything positive.  He should probably stay in school another year, but I suspect his draft stock will be too high after workouts.

Yeah, was high on Brown but this unimpressive showing might hit his draft stock. Which is good for us I think.

I really believe there is still a ton to work with there, and if he drops, he could be withing reach if we could move up using the Dallas and our pick.

California, though, man. I have them going to the Elite 8, very unimpressive perfomance.
Yeah, I have no interest in drafting him with the Brooklyn pick anymore, but if we can use the Mavs pick to trade up a few spots and grab him I would be happy. He looks like all he can do is score in transition.

On the other hand, I think Rabb has looked like a top 10 pick.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:00:10 PM
The interior defense on this Cal team is awful.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:01:57 PM
Cal ended up winning it all in my "Flip a Coin" and "Mascots" brackets, so them losing here would screw those up pretty bad. :P


Jaylen Brown just reminds me more and more of Terrence Williams.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 18, 2016, 04:05:31 PM
I'm definitely biased but Malachi Richardson of Syracuse is gonna be a baller.  Already is pretty good for the college level.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:09:10 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

Meanwhile...

Michigan State has 13 minutes to escape what could be the biggest upset of the year. Middle Tennessee has given their best punch and their holding them off.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Evantime34 on March 18, 2016, 04:11:02 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

Meanwhile...

Michigan State has 13 minutes to escape what could be the biggest upset of the year. Middle Tennessee has given their best punch and their holding them off.
I picked MSU to win the whole thing. I have never had my title team losing in the first round. I've been watching the Cal game, do you know why MSU is playing so poorly.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:12:41 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

Meanwhile...

Michigan State has 13 minutes to escape what could be the biggest upset of the year. Middle Tennessee has given their best punch and their holding them off.
I picked MSU to win the whole thing. I have never had my title team losing in the first round. I've been watching the Cal game, do you know why MSU is playing so poorly.

I was watching the Cal game as well, so I'm not sure why they are playing bad.

I did however caught the start of that game. They went down 15-2 early. I guess it's a case of a lead gotten too big and MSU still playing catchup.

I have MSU as the National Champs as well, but I love an upset, and this could be the BIGGEST upset brewing right now! I would not mind this at all.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:15:06 PM
I'm definitely biased but Malachai Richardson of Syracuse is gonna be a baller.  Already is pretty good for the college level.

Friends don't let friends draft Syracuse players.

Let them waste somebody else's money learning how to play NBA ball their first 4-5 years in the league.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:15:49 PM
I'm definitely biased but Malachai Richardson of Syracuse is gonna be a baller.  Already is pretty good for the college level.

Friends don't let friends draft Syracuse players.

A 6'6" Point Guard. I likey, even if it's a Syracuse guy.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:16:39 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

A GM who uses a top 10 pick on a guy like Jaylen Brown, with no discernible NBA level skill, doesn't like his job very much.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:17:07 PM
I'm definitely biased but Malachai Richardson of Syracuse is gonna be a baller.  Already is pretty good for the college level.

Friends don't let friends draft Syracuse players.

A 6'6" Point Guard. I likey, even if it's a Syracuse guy.

I'm sure he'll be a decent NBA player 5-6 years after he enters the league, like many Syracuse products.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Donoghus on March 18, 2016, 04:19:39 PM
So Cal loses & Michigan State is in trouble at the moment.  Quite the game window right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:20:07 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

A GM who uses a top 10 pick on a guy like Jaylen Brown, with no discernible NBA level skill, doesn't like his job very much.

Eh? He's still athletically gifted. And there are some core guys for Cal that are missing. Kid is 19 and knows how to get to the rim and be a weapon in transition. All we saw today is just telling us he needs a lot more work to be complete than people normally though.

I probably won't take him in the top 3 however, but I'd gamble on him on a top 5-10 pick. There's still a good amount of upside there.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:24:56 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

A GM who uses a top 10 pick on a guy like Jaylen Brown, with no discernible NBA level skill, doesn't like his job very much.

Eh? He's still athletically gifted. And there are some core guys for Cal that are missing. Kid is 19 and knows how to get to the rim and be a weapon in transition. All we saw today is just telling us he needs a lot more work to be complete than people normally though.

I probably won't take him in the top 3 however, but I'd gamble on him on a top 5-10 pick. There's still a good amount of upside there.

I'd let him go back to school with the hope of building his skills and becoming a top 5 pick, or I'd let somebody else take the risk in the top 10.

If he fell to the end of the lottery, I'd take a chance.

But there isn't a single thing he does I would feel confident in him doing at the NBA level, other than finishing an open dunk, and that's a lowwww bar.  I like my top 10 picks to have a higher floor than that.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:25:53 PM
So Cal loses & Michigan State is in trouble at the moment.  Quite the game window right now.

Theme for both games seems to be that the higher seeded teams are soft inside.

Michigan State is running an actual offense, though, so I think they'll pull this out.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:28:21 PM
MIDDLE TENNESSEE is holding on!!!

Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

A GM who uses a top 10 pick on a guy like Jaylen Brown, with no discernible NBA level skill, doesn't like his job very much.

Eh? He's still athletically gifted. And there are some core guys for Cal that are missing. Kid is 19 and knows how to get to the rim and be a weapon in transition. All we saw today is just telling us he needs a lot more work to be complete than people normally though.

I probably won't take him in the top 3 however, but I'd gamble on him on a top 5-10 pick. There's still a good amount of upside there.

I'd let him go back to school with the hope of building his skills and becoming a top 5 pick, or I'd let somebody else take the risk in the top 10.

If he fell to the end of the lottery, I'd take a chance.

But there isn't a single thing he does I would feel confident in him doing at the NBA level, other than finishing an open dunk, and that's a lowwww bar.  I like my top 10 picks to have a higher floor than that.

I think he could do more than just finishing an open dunk. Dude can get to the rim on a straight drive, and averages 6 FT attempts per game, he can get to the line.

He is again just 19, there's a lot of room there to work with if you're patient enough. Especially on what is a considered weak draft, it's not bad to have an ultra athletic kid with upside.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:31:25 PM
I just think the chance that Brown is another Shabazz Muhammad or Terrence Williams is high, at least if he doesn't spend more time in college learning the game.



This Darnell Harris kid looks good ... but he's 24 years old.  So not that surprising.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Evantime34 on March 18, 2016, 04:31:26 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

A GM who uses a top 10 pick on a guy like Jaylen Brown, with no discernible NBA level skill, doesn't like his job very much.

Eh? He's still athletically gifted. And there are some core guys for Cal that are missing. Kid is 19 and knows how to get to the rim and be a weapon in transition. All we saw today is just telling us he needs a lot more work to be complete than people normally though.

I probably won't take him in the top 3 however, but I'd gamble on him on a top 5-10 pick. There's still a good amount of upside there.
I'd pick him at about 8 right now. Right after SImmons, Ingram, Murray, Poeltl, Bender, Dunn and Hield. A case could be made for Ellenson as well. But at 8 or 9 I don't see a better option.

I think he'll be ready defensively long before he's ready on offense. If, as he develops he can guard 4's it will help him a lot, because at the 4 it would be a lot easier for him to drive to the hoop.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:32:24 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

A GM who uses a top 10 pick on a guy like Jaylen Brown, with no discernible NBA level skill, doesn't like his job very much.

Eh? He's still athletically gifted. And there are some core guys for Cal that are missing. Kid is 19 and knows how to get to the rim and be a weapon in transition. All we saw today is just telling us he needs a lot more work to be complete than people normally though.

I probably won't take him in the top 3 however, but I'd gamble on him on a top 5-10 pick. There's still a good amount of upside there.
I'd pick him at about 8 right now. Right after SImmons, Ingram, Murray, Poeltl, Bender, Dunn and Hield. A case could be made for Ellenson as well. But at 8 or 9 I don't see a better option.

I think he'll be ready defensively long before he's ready on offense. If, as he develops he can guard 4's it will help him a lot, because at the 4 it would be a lot easier for him to drive to the hoop.

Do you think Brown would get a chance to learn the game at the NBA level on this Celts team?  As things stand now, he'd probably spend his first two years in the D-League like James Young.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:32:56 PM
I just think the chance that Brown is another Shabazz Muhammad or Terrence Williams is high, at least if he doesn't spend more time in college learning the game.



This Darnell Harris kid looks good ... but he's 24 years old.  So not that surprising.

And that Upshaw Jr as well.

I love what's happening. This result could kill my bracket, but I'm rooting hard for Middle Tennessee right now.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:34:10 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

A GM who uses a top 10 pick on a guy like Jaylen Brown, with no discernible NBA level skill, doesn't like his job very much.

Eh? He's still athletically gifted. And there are some core guys for Cal that are missing. Kid is 19 and knows how to get to the rim and be a weapon in transition. All we saw today is just telling us he needs a lot more work to be complete than people normally though.

I probably won't take him in the top 3 however, but I'd gamble on him on a top 5-10 pick. There's still a good amount of upside there.
I'd pick him at about 8 right now. Right after SImmons, Ingram, Murray, Poeltl, Bender, Dunn and Hield. A case could be made for Ellenson as well. But at 8 or 9 I don't see a better option.

I think he'll be ready defensively long before he's ready on offense. If, as he develops he can guard 4's it will help him a lot, because at the 4 it would be a lot easier for him to drive to the hoop.

Do you think Brown would get a chance to learn the game at the NBA level on this Celts team?  As things stand now, he'd probably spend his first two years in the D-League like James Young.

Brown has better vision than James Young or Terrence Williams, better feel for the game too.

He might not be a star in 2-3 years, but he'll fit right in because he's a willing passer and defender.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tomrod on March 18, 2016, 04:36:37 PM
Valentine is such a great playmaker, in control and good passer
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Evantime34 on March 18, 2016, 04:40:23 PM
Safe to say that Hawaii will pull the upset. Cal very awful today, Jordan Matthews and Ivan Rabb helped their draft stock a bit, while Jaylen Brown looks like could use another year in school, or be contended to be a 6-10 pick.

A GM who uses a top 10 pick on a guy like Jaylen Brown, with no discernible NBA level skill, doesn't like his job very much.

Eh? He's still athletically gifted. And there are some core guys for Cal that are missing. Kid is 19 and knows how to get to the rim and be a weapon in transition. All we saw today is just telling us he needs a lot more work to be complete than people normally though.

I probably won't take him in the top 3 however, but I'd gamble on him on a top 5-10 pick. There's still a good amount of upside there.
I'd pick him at about 8 right now. Right after SImmons, Ingram, Murray, Poeltl, Bender, Dunn and Hield. A case could be made for Ellenson as well. But at 8 or 9 I don't see a better option.

I think he'll be ready defensively long before he's ready on offense. If, as he develops he can guard 4's it will help him a lot, because at the 4 it would be a lot easier for him to drive to the hoop.

Do you think Brown would get a chance to learn the game at the NBA level on this Celts team?  As things stand now, he'd probably spend his first two years in the D-League like James Young.
I think he can learn a lot in the practices and working with the coaches in the offseason. I also think development can happen in the d-league where you can work out with coaches everyday. Working with Crowder in training camp could really benefit him.

I'm actually a proponent of players developing slowly by seeing veterans playing the right way. Since the end of the roster guys aren't going to play anyway, I'd rather have a developmental prospect in that roster spot than any other type of player.

Although it is unlikely he plays right away, we are seeing what the state of our small forward position is right now. So maybe he would actually play early as a defense/energy guy.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tomrod on March 18, 2016, 04:41:16 PM
The think about Brown is that his intangibles are also a red flag so I'd pass. Can't play + no effort no please
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 04:45:03 PM
The think about Brown is that his intangibles are also a red flag so I'd pass. Can't play + no effort no please

Yeah.

I'm all for drafting guys who can play the 3, but I think there'll be better options for that in the middle of the 1st round.   You have to be able to shoot and defend to be a 3-and-D guy, and there's no telling if Brown will be able to do either.


This Michigan State game is funny.

A team of teenagers getting beaten up by a team featuring fully grown men.  Darnell Harris is 24 years old.  About the same age as half of the Celtics roster.  He'll be selling cars or adjusting insurance claims a couple years from now.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tomrod on March 18, 2016, 04:47:16 PM
Game, a shame that all this nba prospects are getting eliminated. Barely got to see them
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:48:15 PM
Michigan State, a team a LOT of people are thinking should be number 1, is about to go down.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/581/075/fe2.png)
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Donoghus on March 18, 2016, 04:48:37 PM
That's an eye opening upset.  Wow.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Roy H. on March 18, 2016, 04:49:38 PM
I haven't scouted any of the guys a whole lot, but I think it's silly that a guy would go from the #3 pick to the late lottery based on one bad game.  There may be reasons to take him as high as #3, or a lot lower than that, but none of them can be pegged to one tournament game.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: esel1000 on March 18, 2016, 04:49:52 PM
That's an eye opening upset.  Wow.

If anyone has a perfect bracket after this one they aren't human... Or they go to Middle Tennessee
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tomrod on March 18, 2016, 04:52:04 PM
why wasn't Deyonta Davis playing, their interior defense was awful
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:54:08 PM
This is the biggest upset I've seen in my life.

Wow, Middle Tennessee! THIS IS MARCH!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: KG Living Legend on March 18, 2016, 04:57:30 PM
why wasn't Deyonta Davis playing, their interior defense was awful




 Because he's do raw and inexperienced unfortunately.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 04:58:42 PM
I feel bad for Denzel Valentine. His final year is cut short.

But, that's the beauty and the curse of March. You blink, you could be dead.

Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tomrod on March 18, 2016, 05:06:08 PM
why wasn't Deyonta Davis playing, their interior defense was awful




 Because he's do raw and inexperienced unfortunately.

I don't know, it seemed like an obvious change, since they couldn't stop those high energy bigs from tennessee.

Anyways, just positive things from Valentine, I'm taking him with the Mavs pick

Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Donoghus on March 18, 2016, 05:19:44 PM
Idiotic play by Iowa fouling on that 3.  This game is about to hit OT now because of it.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Bucketgetter on March 18, 2016, 05:23:50 PM
The think about Brown is that his intangibles are also a red flag so I'd pass. Can't play + no effort no please

Yeah.

I'm all for drafting guys who can play the 3, but I think there'll be better options for that in the middle of the 1st round.   You have to be able to shoot and defend to be a 3-and-D guy, and there's no telling if Brown will be able to do either.


This Michigan State game is funny.

A team of teenagers getting beaten up by a team featuring fully grown men.  Darnell Harris is 24 years old.  About the same age as half of the Celtics roster.  He'll be selling cars or adjusting insurance claims a couple years from now.
But right now he just busted a #2 seed and made those "teenagers" (Their 3 best players, Costello, Valentine and Forbes, are all 22) cry. I take it you're a Spartans fan?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: saltlover on March 18, 2016, 05:24:39 PM
why wasn't Deyonta Davis playing, their interior defense was awful




 Because he's do raw and inexperienced unfortunately.

I don't know, it seemed like an obvious change, since they couldn't stop those high energy bigs from tennessee.

Anyways, just positive things from Valentine, I'm taking him with the Mavs pick

Just positive things? Six turnovers and sitting too much because of foul trouble could definitely be construed as negatives.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 05:33:31 PM
Oh. Iowa beats Temple on a buzzer beating follow up. Wow.

Nothing hurts more than that...
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 05:35:55 PM
The think about Brown is that his intangibles are also a red flag so I'd pass. Can't play + no effort no please

Yeah.

I'm all for drafting guys who can play the 3, but I think there'll be better options for that in the middle of the 1st round.   You have to be able to shoot and defend to be a 3-and-D guy, and there's no telling if Brown will be able to do either.


This Michigan State game is funny.

A team of teenagers getting beaten up by a team featuring fully grown men.  Darnell Harris is 24 years old.  About the same age as half of the Celtics roster.  He'll be selling cars or adjusting insurance claims a couple years from now.
But right now he just busted a #2 seed and made those "teenagers" (Their 3 best players, Costello, Valentine and Forbes, are all 22) cry. I take it you're a Spartans fan?

I just think it's funny.  NCAA basketball is a big mess, but for two weeks every year we pretend its exciting and the results of this tourney mean something.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Donoghus on March 18, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
The think about Brown is that his intangibles are also a red flag so I'd pass. Can't play + no effort no please

Yeah.

I'm all for drafting guys who can play the 3, but I think there'll be better options for that in the middle of the 1st round.   You have to be able to shoot and defend to be a 3-and-D guy, and there's no telling if Brown will be able to do either.


This Michigan State game is funny.

A team of teenagers getting beaten up by a team featuring fully grown men.  Darnell Harris is 24 years old.  About the same age as half of the Celtics roster.  He'll be selling cars or adjusting insurance claims a couple years from now.
But right now he just busted a #2 seed and made those "teenagers" (Their 3 best players, Costello, Valentine and Forbes, are all 22) cry. I take it you're a Spartans fan?

I just think it's funny.  NCAA basketball is a big mess, but for two weeks every year we pretend its exciting and the results of this tourney mean something.

Yeah, its called being a sports fan.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: esel1000 on March 18, 2016, 06:04:32 PM
Guys like Hield make it ok if we miss out on the top 2
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Bucketgetter on March 18, 2016, 06:22:26 PM
The think about Brown is that his intangibles are also a red flag so I'd pass. Can't play + no effort no please

Yeah.

I'm all for drafting guys who can play the 3, but I think there'll be better options for that in the middle of the 1st round.   You have to be able to shoot and defend to be a 3-and-D guy, and there's no telling if Brown will be able to do either.


This Michigan State game is funny.

A team of teenagers getting beaten up by a team featuring fully grown men.  Darnell Harris is 24 years old.  About the same age as half of the Celtics roster.  He'll be selling cars or adjusting insurance claims a couple years from now.
But right now he just busted a #2 seed and made those "teenagers" (Their 3 best players, Costello, Valentine and Forbes, are all 22) cry. I take it you're a Spartans fan?

I just think it's funny.  NCAA basketball is a big mess, but for two weeks every year we pretend its exciting and the results of this tourney mean something.
Ok? The results of every sports game don't actually mean anything, and you have posted 12144 times pretending the NBA means something.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 18, 2016, 06:32:37 PM
I'm definitely biased but Malachai Richardson of Syracuse is gonna be a baller.  Already is pretty good for the college level.

Friends don't let friends draft Syracuse players.

Let them waste somebody else's money learning how to play NBA ball their first 4-5 years in the league.

Yeah, but I find draft talk tedious.  Just enjoying the games.

And really enjoying that Cuse has Middle Tennessee instead of Michigan St.  Though they could drop that one too.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 06:41:06 PM

Ok? The results of every sports game don't actually mean anything, and you have posted 12144 times pretending the NBA means something.

Yeah, that's the thing, I think the NBA is much more interesting and meaningful than NCAA basketball.  I really don't care about the NCAA as more than a passing amusement except for scouting potential NBA prospects. 

Shocker, I hold that opinion as a frequent poster on an NBA fan forum.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
The think about Brown is that his intangibles are also a red flag so I'd pass. Can't play + no effort no please

Yeah.

I'm all for drafting guys who can play the 3, but I think there'll be better options for that in the middle of the 1st round.   You have to be able to shoot and defend to be a 3-and-D guy, and there's no telling if Brown will be able to do either.


This Michigan State game is funny.

A team of teenagers getting beaten up by a team featuring fully grown men.  Darnell Harris is 24 years old.  About the same age as half of the Celtics roster.  He'll be selling cars or adjusting insurance claims a couple years from now.
But right now he just busted a #2 seed and made those "teenagers" (Their 3 best players, Costello, Valentine and Forbes, are all 22) cry. I take it you're a Spartans fan?

I just think it's funny.  NCAA basketball is a big mess, but for two weeks every year we pretend its exciting and the results of this tourney mean something.

Yeah, its called being a sports fan.

I'm a fan of lots of sports, but I find NCAA basketball to be mostly chaotic and ugly, and I think March Madness is more about rampant betting and providing casual fans with the spectacle of inevitable upsets than anything else.

I'm a fan of basketball, and a lot of what ends up on the TV this time of March is on par with a Suns - Sixers match.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Bucketgetter on March 18, 2016, 07:10:49 PM

Ok? The results of every sports game don't actually mean anything, and you have posted 12144 times pretending the NBA means something.

Yeah, that's the thing, I think the NBA is much more interesting and meaningful than NCAA basketball.  I really don't care about the NCAA as more than a passing amusement except for scouting potential NBA prospects. 

Shocker, I hold that opinion as a frequent poster on an NBA fan forum.
Just because you find the NBA more interesting doesn't mean you should be belittling NCAA fans. Saying "we pretend its exciting and that the results mean anything" might be true for you, so say I don't find it exciting and then stop watching the games and posting on a thread titled 2016 NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: acieEarl on March 18, 2016, 07:21:29 PM
How does Jaylen Brown only end up with 4 points in his last game? Cs should stay clear. Take Buddy if we end up with the 4th pick.

Payton II looked good. Cs take him with the 2nd rounder Philly pick.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 18, 2016, 07:35:57 PM
How does Jaylen Brown only end up with 4 points in his last game? Cs should stay clear. Take Buddy if we end up with the 4th pick.

Payton II looked good. Cs take him with the 2nd rounder Philly pick.

Lol. I'd love buddy or Murray. But brown seems like ainge's kinda guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he took him 2nd over all. Heck, Danny wanted Winslow 4th last year!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 18, 2016, 08:08:15 PM
How does Jaylen Brown only end up with 4 points in his last game? Cs should stay clear. Take Buddy if we end up with the 4th pick.

Payton II looked good. Cs take him with the 2nd rounder Philly pick.


Lol. I'd love buddy or Murray. But brown seems like ainge's kinda guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he took him 2nd over all. Heck, Danny wanted Winslow 4th last year!

Ainge was at the Cal/'Zona game a couple of weeks ago.

Bill Walton was announcing and was as unbiased as Tommy's announcing for us, singing Brown's praises, despite a non-spectacular performance. I know Bill was buzzed, but it was a little over the top. That Cal team is a bunch of underachievers.

TP, acie.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 18, 2016, 08:46:21 PM
The think about Brown is that his intangibles are also a red flag so I'd pass. Can't play + no effort no please

Yeah.

I'm all for drafting guys who can play the 3, but I think there'll be better options for that in the middle of the 1st round.   You have to be able to shoot and defend to be a 3-and-D guy, and there's no telling if Brown will be able to do either.


This Michigan State game is funny.

A team of teenagers getting beaten up by a team featuring fully grown men.  Darnell Harris is 24 years old.  About the same age as half of the Celtics roster.  He'll be selling cars or adjusting insurance claims a couple years from now.
But right now he just busted a #2 seed and made those "teenagers" (Their 3 best players, Costello, Valentine and Forbes, are all 22) cry. I take it you're a Spartans fan?

I just think it's funny.  NCAA basketball is a big mess, but for two weeks every year we pretend its exciting and the results of this tourney mean something.

Yeah, its called being a sports fan.

I'm a fan of lots of sports, but I find NCAA basketball to be mostly chaotic and ugly, and I think March Madness is more about rampant betting and providing casual fans with the spectacle of inevitable upsets than anything else.

I'm a fan of basketball, and a lot of what ends up on the TV this time of March is on par with a Suns - Sixers match.

The allure of the NCAAs has to do with the breadth of it's reach. Every area of the country is represented and every conference represented....and every teams fans think that they have a chance at some glory, be it by defeating a much higher ranked team, or making the Sweet Sixteen, the Elite Eight, the Final Four or becoming national champs.

Yale's win yesterday and MTSU's win over MSU today were great theater. And granted, especially in the first round, there are probably 4-5 clunkers for every one of those, but those closely contested upsets make it all worth it to me.

College basketball, like college football has an electricity about it because of the age, passion and closeness that the fans (especially the student body and alums, like Tommy at The Cross) share.

Is the talent level better than the Suns/Sixers? No. But the buzz and excitement for many is far superior.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 18, 2016, 09:41:20 PM
Now a 14 seed kills a 3 seed.

Good God! I love the heart of that Stephen F. Austin team, giving it all on the court and it paid off. Battled for every rebound despite being undersized, went for every loseballs, ran back on defense like it's their last game.

That Thomas Walkup guy, for such an undersized big, he played HUGE!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on March 18, 2016, 09:43:29 PM
I couldn't figure out how to select the winner on the CBS site (it wouldn't let me, some kind of browser error) so I had to select "random" instead. I'm in second place right now with I believe the highest overall possible point total possible left on the board. 
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 10:00:10 PM
West Virginia, Baylor, Cal, Michigan State all out.

I thought a few of those teams could go far.  Especially WV and Michigan State.


Oh well.  This is why I don't put very much time or effort, and certainly never money, into brackets.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 18, 2016, 10:01:46 PM

The allure of the NCAAs has to do with the breadth of it's reach. Every area of the country is represented and every conference represented....and every teams fans think that they have a chance at some glory, be it by defeating a much higher ranked team, or making the Sweet Sixteen, the Elite Eight, the Final Four or becoming national champs.

Yale's win yesterday and MTSU's win over MSU today were great theater. And granted, especially in the first round, there are probably 4-5 clunkers for every one of those, but those closely contested upsets make it all worth it to me.

College basketball, like college football has an electricity about it because of the age, passion and closeness that the fans (especially the student body and alums, like Tommy at The Cross) share.

Is the talent level better than the Suns/Sixers? No. But the buzz and excitement for many is far superior.


I understand all of that, but I don't feel a particular affinity with any of the teams that tends to make it into the tournament.  I'm too cynical about the whole NCAA enterprise to get caught up in rooting for the "cindarella" teams I've never heard of.

I'm just a fan of basketball.  Great team basketball, and great individual talents.  Neither tends to be on display very often in the tournament. 

Maybe if my alma mater had a more competitive program ....  but nope.  That's not in the cards.  Doesn't appear to be for a long time.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 18, 2016, 10:42:32 PM

The allure of the NCAAs has to do with the breadth of it's reach. Every area of the country is represented and every conference represented....and every teams fans think that they have a chance at some glory, be it by defeating a much higher ranked team, or making the Sweet Sixteen, the Elite Eight, the Final Four or becoming national champs.

Yale's win yesterday and MTSU's win over MSU today were great theater. And granted, especially in the first round, there are probably 4-5 clunkers for every one of those, but those closely contested upsets make it all worth it to me.

College basketball, like college football has an electricity about it because of the age, passion and closeness that the fans (especially the student body and alums, like Tommy at The Cross) share.

Is the talent level better than the Suns/Sixers? No. But the buzz and excitement for many is far superior.


I understand all of that, but I don't feel a particular affinity with any of the teams that tends to make it into the tournament.  I'm too cynical about the whole NCAA enterprise to get caught up in rooting for the "cindarella" teams I've never heard of.

I'm just a fan of basketball.  Great team basketball, and great individual talents.  Neither tends to be on display very often in the tournament. 

Maybe if my alma mater had a more competitive program ....  but nope.  That's not in the cards.  Doesn't appear to be for a long time.

Being disillusioned by the "business" that is the NCAA and not having a dog in the fight are pretty strong,valid reasons for not buying into the excitement that many feel about the tournament. I appreciate your position. I guess it's all about situational perspective.

My alma mater hadn't made the NCAAs since 1946, and then made it 4 years in a row from '12-'15, upsetting Cincinatti one year and barely losing to North Carolina 67-65 another. And I hate one of the upset winners yesterday, but I was rooting my ass off for them because they represent our league.

The enthusiasm of these kids playing and on the bench and their fans who even sniff a huge upset is intoxicating to me. Guess I'm still a kid at heart.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 18, 2016, 11:07:38 PM
man, the #5 and 6 seeds are being pounded this year. never seen so many first round upsets that i can recall.

and best of all MSU was bumped in the first round. ha, ha...so many folks had them winning it all.

by the way, i loath MSU so i am one happy camper right now.  ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: libermaniac on March 18, 2016, 11:10:16 PM
man, the #5 and 6 seeds are being pounded this year. never seen so many first round upsets that i can recall.

and best of all MSU was bumped in the first round. ha, ha...so many folks had them winning it all.

by the way, i loath MSU so i am one happy camper right now.  ;D

Doh, I'm one of them.  And sad thing I'm in 3 pools and I didn't hedge my bets against MSU.  Thank god for a sweet 16 tourny that starts next week or I'd be totally done.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 18, 2016, 11:37:07 PM
man, the #5 and 6 seeds are being pounded this year. never seen so many first round upsets that i can recall.

and best of all MSU was bumped in the first round. ha, ha...so many folks had them winning it all.

by the way, i loath MSU so i am one happy camper right now.  ;D

Doh, I'm one of them.  And sad thing I'm in 3 pools and I didn't hedge my bets against MSU.  Thank god for a sweet 16 tourny that starts next week or I'd be totally done.
my guess the number of perfect pools is close to zero after only one round. and the upsets are so widespread that virtually EVERYONE'S pool is getting pounded. so it may even things out a bit.

good luck to you.  :)
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 19, 2016, 11:32:41 AM
Some of the potential 1st round draftees who are on today:

Ingram, Grayson Allen 2:40
Jamaal Murray, Skal, Ullis 5:15
Malcolm Brogdon 7:10
Jakob Poeltl vs Sabonis 8:40
Dunn, Bryce Johnson 9:40


Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Denis998 on March 19, 2016, 12:20:23 PM
Some of the potential 1st round draftees who are on today:

Ingram, Grayson Allen 2:40
Jamaal Murray, Skal, Ullis 5:15
Malcolm Brogdon 7:10
Jakob Poeltl vs Sabonis 8:40
Dunn, Bryce Johnson 9:40
good info. TP
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 19, 2016, 03:47:38 PM
Ingram and Allen are putting on a show against Yale.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 19, 2016, 04:14:18 PM
Ingram and Allen are putting on a show against Yale.

Duke is breaking down. 20+ lead down to 9
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 19, 2016, 07:34:54 PM
Kentucky loses to Indiana.

Tyler Ulis 27 points.

Indiana could be a tough out for UNC if they meet.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 19, 2016, 11:43:32 PM
Sabonis had 19 and 10 on 8/12 shooting and gonzaga upsets Utah. Poeltl was limited to just 5 and 4
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Ogaju on March 20, 2016, 12:13:32 AM
how is Gonzaga beating anyone an upset anymore?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Denis998 on March 20, 2016, 12:18:31 AM
Sabonis rekt Poeltl
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on March 20, 2016, 01:02:39 AM
Tar Heels still alive, looking good. Dunn was in foul trouble for most of the night. Showed some flashes, walks around like D Wade, but left something to be desired. Bentil had a really nice game, though - seems he can stretch the floor pretty well for his size.

Didn't watch Utah but feel vindicated for having referred to Poeltl as "Timofey Mozgov" in another thread recently. All set with that selection at #4-5... would rather reach on Jamal Murray (or even Dunn).
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 20, 2016, 01:22:25 AM
Tar Heels still alive, looking good. Dunn was in foul trouble for most of the night. Showed some flashes, walks around like D Wade, but left something to be desired. Bentil had a really nice game, though - seems he can stretch the floor pretty well for his size.

Didn't watch Utah but feel vindicated for having referred to Poeltl as "Timofey Mozgov" in another thread recently. All set with that selection at #4-5... would rather reach on Jamal Murray (or even Dunn).

What about Hield? Would you take him at 4 or 5?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Denis998 on March 20, 2016, 01:24:30 AM
Tar Heels still alive, looking good. Dunn was in foul trouble for most of the night. Showed some flashes, walks around like D Wade, but left something to be desired. Bentil had a really nice game, though - seems he can stretch the floor pretty well for his size.

Didn't watch Utah but feel vindicated for having referred to Poeltl as "Timofey Mozgov" in another thread recently. All set with that selection at #4-5... would rather reach on Jamal Murray (or even Dunn).

What about Hield? Would you take him at 4 or 5?
id take him at 3
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on March 20, 2016, 01:34:07 AM
Tar Heels still alive, looking good. Dunn was in foul trouble for most of the night. Showed some flashes, walks around like D Wade, but left something to be desired. Bentil had a really nice game, though - seems he can stretch the floor pretty well for his size.

Didn't watch Utah but feel vindicated for having referred to Poeltl as "Timofey Mozgov" in another thread recently. All set with that selection at #4-5... would rather reach on Jamal Murray (or even Dunn).

What about Hield? Would you take him at 4 or 5?

Probably not, I think there's more upside in guys like Murray, Dunn and Ellenson. He's on the low end for size at SG and I'm not sure he'll get his shot off as easily at the next level. If he was running around screens and gunning like Redick, maybe, but he's creating off the dribble a lot in college. Not sure if he can do that at the next level.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Celtics4ever on March 20, 2016, 08:22:09 AM
Poetl scares me, I was surprised by his ability to drive on offensive, but he still looks wooden out there. 
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: acieEarl on March 20, 2016, 09:58:50 AM
I wouldn't be against the C's using their pick or the Dallas pick to grab Duke's Allen. The kid is pretty tough and athletic to play at the next level.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 20, 2016, 10:09:52 AM
Tar Heels still alive, looking good. Dunn was in foul trouble for most of the night. Showed some flashes, walks around like D Wade, but left something to be desired. Bentil had a really nice game, though - seems he can stretch the floor pretty well for his size.

Didn't watch Utah but feel vindicated for having referred to Poeltl as "Timofey Mozgov" in another thread recently. All set with that selection at #4-5... would rather reach on Jamal Murray (or even Dunn).

First time I saw Dunn for a full game.  He reminded me of John Wall, though with less breakaway speed and a better outside shot.  Also seems a bit niftier in his rim attacks.  But he moves like a superior athlete in a PG sense: not just running/jumping, he has excellent body control.  Seems like he'll be a starter at the next level for sure.  Potential all-star.

Poeltl I hadn't seen before the tourney but other than being huge I'm not sure what the appeal is.  Thoroughly unimpressive.

But most importantly for me, my #1 team Syracuse (UNC is #2) after inexplicably getting in, has a 15 and an 11 seed between it and an Elite 8 spot.   Then likely a Virginia team with a history of tournament disappointments that they've seen before in the ACC.  Big opportunity for them tonight and hopefully next weekend.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 20, 2016, 11:30:49 AM
how is Gonzaga beating anyone an upset anymore?

Yup....that talk is from the 70's .
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 20, 2016, 11:46:23 AM
Some potential draftees playing today:

12:10 Jarrod Uthoff
2:40.  Demetrius Jackson
5:15.  Buddy Hield
7:10.  Diamond Stone, Melo Trimble, Layman, Carter
8:40.  Nigel Hayes
9:40.  Deandre Bembry

Not many marquee names here...oh well!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: chilidawg on March 20, 2016, 12:38:35 PM
how is Gonzaga beating anyone an upset anymore?

Yup....that talk is from the 70's .

Well they didn't have a great year, and were a #11 seed, so yeah, it's an upset.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: chilidawg on March 20, 2016, 12:41:56 PM
Some potential draftees playing today:

12:10 Jarrod Uthoff
2:40.  Demetrius Jackson
5:15.  Buddy Hield
7:10.  Diamond Stone, Melo Trimble, Layman, Carter
8:40.  Nigel Hayes
9:40.  Deandre Bembry

Amazing how few potential first round picks are left in the tournament.  By my count (using Draft Express's top 30), only Ingram, Hield, D. Jackson, Stone, Sabonis, Allen and Johnson.  7 of the top 30 prospects. 
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 20, 2016, 12:47:38 PM
Some potential draftees playing today:

12:10 Jarrod Uthoff
2:40.  Demetrius Jackson
5:15.  Buddy Hield
7:10.  Diamond Stone, Melo Trimble, Layman, Carter
8:40.  Nigel Hayes
9:40.  Deandre Bembry

Amazing how few potential first round picks are left in the tournament.  By my count (using Draft Express's top 30), only Ingram, Hield, D. Jackson, Stone, Sabonis, Allen and Johnson.  7 of the top 30 prospects.

TP...edited my post and then I saw this....very true.

So many internationals, and Cal has 3, and the underachievers they are, they're gone.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: biggs on March 20, 2016, 12:49:23 PM
I'm all a board on the Hield bandwagon and there's still room! Join me!

What do people think of Jamal Murray of Kentucky? I really like his ability to read defenses, his shooting/driving game, and his point guard skills as a 2.

(Sorry if he was already mentioned, I didn't read the whole thread)
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 20, 2016, 01:30:15 PM
Saw that Poeltl got outplayed by Sabonis yesterday.  Disappointed we didn't get to see more of him in the tourney.

Dunn had a huge game in a losing effort against UNC though.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: esel1000 on March 20, 2016, 01:32:21 PM
I'm all a board on the Hield bandwagon and there's still room! Join me!
What do people think of Jamal Murray of Kentucky? I really like his ability to read defenses, his shooting/driving game, and his point guard skills as a 2.

(Sorry if he was already mentioned, I didn't read the whole thread)
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: esel1000 on March 20, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
I'm all a board on the Hield bandwagon and there's still room! Join me!
What do people think of Jamal Murray of Kentucky? I really like his ability to read defenses, his shooting/driving game, and his point guard skills as a 2.

(Sorry if he was already mentioned, I didn't read the whole thread)
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: esel1000 on March 20, 2016, 01:35:37 PM
Phone messed up the above post... But Hield and Murray are my top two choices outside of the top 2. We need guys with the potential to be elite scorers (if we don't trade the pick)
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 20, 2016, 02:39:33 PM
Phone messed up the above post... But Hield and Murray are my top two choices outside of the top 2. We need guys with the potential to be elite scorers (if we don't trade the pick)

Yep. Originally I wanted Brown but he's not exactly the scorer we need. And the last thing I want is another "scrappy, gritty defender" type of player. We need offensive talent and Murray/Hield are just that.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Neurotic Guy on March 20, 2016, 04:50:29 PM
Great game -- S F Austin loses to Notre Dame on a tip-in with 1.5 left.   A couple of questionable calls (IMO) go in favor of ND in the last couple minutes.  Too bad for the possible Cinderella SFA.

Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Denis998 on March 20, 2016, 05:11:00 PM
finally get to see Buddy play in a live game.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Denis998 on March 20, 2016, 05:15:04 PM
Looks like the potential best matchup is going to be in the final four. Duke vs OU
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 20, 2016, 05:16:10 PM
finally get to see Buddy play in a live game.

Maybe after the game can you perhaps give us a small summary, let us know how he was? I, for one, am super busy today and can't watch the game
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Denis998 on March 20, 2016, 05:51:01 PM
finally get to see Buddy play in a live game.

Maybe after the game can you perhaps give us a small summary, let us know how he was? I, for one, am super busy today and can't watch the game
Beginning of the 1st -
so far not overly ball dominant, picks his spots. Playing good defense (fights over screens), altered a shot or two. Good court vision. Seems to stand around though, watching the plays develop, and not moving without the ball too much. Has missed all 3 shots though (might be the main focus of the defense to pressure him)
Middle -
Looking for the ball more, has a few baskets, and a few missed heat check 3s. Seems a step slow on defense. Not the most athletic guy out there but seems to work with what he has. Paul Pierce type of guy if he was a guard.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 20, 2016, 07:13:37 PM
finally get to see Buddy play in a live game.

Maybe after the game can you perhaps give us a small summary, let us know how he was? I, for one, am super busy today and can't watch the game
Beginning of the 1st -
so far not overly ball dominant, picks his spots. Playing good defense (fights over screens), altered a shot or two. Good court vision. Seems to stand around though, watching the plays develop, and not moving without the ball too much. Has missed all 3 shots though (might be the main focus of the defense to pressure him)
Middle -
Looking for the ball more, has a few baskets, and a few missed heat check 3s. Seems a step slow on defense. Not the most athletic guy out there but seems to work with what he has. Paul Pierce type of guy if he was a guard.

Solid job. Thanks. TP
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Denis998 on March 20, 2016, 07:27:29 PM
finally get to see Buddy play in a live game.

Maybe after the game can you perhaps give us a small summary, let us know how he was? I, for one, am super busy today and can't watch the game
Beginning of the 1st -
so far not overly ball dominant, picks his spots. Playing good defense (fights over screens), altered a shot or two. Good court vision. Seems to stand around though, watching the plays develop, and not moving without the ball too much. Has missed all 3 shots though (might be the main focus of the defense to pressure him)
Middle -
Looking for the ball more, has a few baskets, and a few missed heat check 3s. Seems a step slow on defense. Not the most athletic guy out there but seems to work with what he has. Paul Pierce type of guy if he was a guard.

Solid job. Thanks. TP
in the second half he was unstoppable. Dominated the game.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 20, 2016, 07:41:05 PM
finally get to see Buddy play in a live game.

Maybe after the game can you perhaps give us a small summary, let us know how he was? I, for one, am super busy today and can't watch the game
Beginning of the 1st -
so far not overly ball dominant, picks his spots. Playing good defense (fights over screens), altered a shot or two. Good court vision. Seems to stand around though, watching the plays develop, and not moving without the ball too much. Has missed all 3 shots though (might be the main focus of the defense to pressure him)
Middle -
Looking for the ball more, has a few baskets, and a few missed heat check 3s. Seems a step slow on defense. Not the most athletic guy out there but seems to work with what he has. Paul Pierce type of guy if he was a guard.

Solid job. Thanks. TP
in the second half he was unstoppable. Dominated the game.

Definitely sounds like a guy we could need
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: esel1000 on March 20, 2016, 07:50:48 PM
I feel like Buddy is going top 5
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: biggs on March 20, 2016, 08:13:57 PM
Phone messed up the above post... But Hield and Murray are my top two choices outside of the top 2. We need guys with the potential to be elite scorers (if we don't trade the pick)

Yep. Originally I wanted Brown but he's not exactly the scorer we need. And the last thing I want is another "scrappy, gritty defender" type of player. We need offensive talent and Murray/Hield are just that.

Nice! Yeah, I'm actually worried that Hield's play will boost his draft status to a definite top five pick, and I could see a team like Phoenix go for him even though they just drafted Booker last year.

Kid is lights out and can create his own shot. Only thing that sucks is that he's only 6-4. Sound familiar at all?  ;)

Murray on the other hand just seems to have a lot of poise and confidence for a freshman.

I still think that Ainge will try to trade the pick regardless of where it lands, but if we end up with something outside of the top five and end up not trading it we should definitely start looking in to players like these two.

I'm also starting to warm up to this draft even though analysts are saying it's essentially a two player draft.

I've seen a lot of mock drafts having us taking Bender at pick # 4, and while Poryzingis makes me want the next stud from Europe, I'm not sure that he fits what we need right now as a strench 4.

In summary, if we don't get a top two pick, and end up using that pick, I really hope that we can get one of these two players. Or maybe both!  :)
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: JOMVP on March 20, 2016, 09:38:13 PM
I'm firmly situated on the Buddy Hield hype train. I'd pick him at number 2 over Ben Simmons if Ingram went number 1.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: saltlover on March 20, 2016, 10:59:01 PM
The A&M - Northern Iowa game was amazing.  Aggies were down 12 with under 50 seconds in regulation.  They somehow came back to force overtime.  But that wasn't enough, so they forced double overtime on a late 3.  Epic game, although I feel bad for the Northern Iowa kids. 
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Ogaju on March 20, 2016, 11:01:40 PM
The A&M - Northern Iowa game was amazing.  Aggies were down 12 with under 50 seconds in regulation.  They somehow came back to force overtime.  But that wasn't enough, so they forced double overtime on a late 3.  Epic game, although I feel bad for the Northern Iowa kids.

that was a total coaching meltdown by Northern Iowa. A&M did not come  back, NI choked.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 20, 2016, 11:15:14 PM
The A&M - Northern Iowa game was amazing.  Aggies were down 12 with under 50 seconds in regulation.  They somehow came back to force overtime.  But that wasn't enough, so they forced double overtime on a late 3.  Epic game, although I feel bad for the Northern Iowa kids.

insane game!!!

That, along with ND's tip-in win with 1.5 on the clock and Koenig's three at the buzzer to cap a crazy Wisconsin comeback over Xavier, and I can't understand how some basketball fans can't get excited about the NCAAs.

i also have a feeling that the Oregon/St. Joe's game will be closer than many thought.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: saltlover on March 21, 2016, 12:27:46 AM
The A&M - Northern Iowa game was amazing.  Aggies were down 12 with under 50 seconds in regulation.  They somehow came back to force overtime.  But that wasn't enough, so they forced double overtime on a late 3.  Epic game, although I feel bad for the Northern Iowa kids.

insane game!!!

That, along with ND's tip-in win with 1.5 on the clock and Koenig's three at the buzzer to cap a crazy Wisconsin comeback over Xavier, and I can't understand how some basketball fans can't get excited about the NCAAs.

i also have a feeling that the Oregon/St. Joe's game will be closer than many thought.

And Oregon-St Joe's did indeed turn into an exciting game.  On an NBA note, I was really impressed with Dillon Brooks. If he can improve his long-range shooting a bit more, he's definitely someone to look out for in next year's draft.  Definitely knows how to score, and I like his defensive effort (at least in this game).
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 24, 2016, 08:37:31 PM
Finally getting a chance to watch Buddy! They're playing Texas A&M on TBS. Buddy had a somewhat quiet half, 11 at halftime. 2/4 from FT I think, which is supposedly not common with him.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on March 24, 2016, 08:41:33 PM
Villanova looks like a scary team. Bounced somewhat early in year's past but must consider that one was to eventual national champs (UK), too. Hope Heels don't run into them along the way.

Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 24, 2016, 09:41:30 PM
Draft prospects in late games:

9:40 Melo Trimble, diamond stone, Layton, Carter
        Wayne Selden, Cheick Diallo, perry Ellis

9:55 Ingram, Grayson Allen
        Dillon Brooks, Chris Boucher
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 24, 2016, 09:44:19 PM
I know not a lot of people are not high on Selden, but I really like the kid.

Gives up the body all the time. Tough, strong, gritty player came into his own this year.....

...and he's from Boston!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 25, 2016, 09:12:57 AM
The chalk prevailed in the South and West last night.

It will be #1 vs #2 in both their Elite Eight games tomorrow.

KU vs Villanova and Oregon vs Oklahoma.

Except for Hield, not a lot of Draft star-power there.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 25, 2016, 07:54:56 PM
Draft Prospects on Tonight

7:10 Malcolm Brogdon (VA)
       Monte Harris (IO State)

7:27 Demetrius Jackson (ND)
        Nigel Hayes (Wisc)

9:40 Sabonis (Zags)
       Gbinije  (Syracuse)

9:57 Brice Johnson (UNC)
        Yogi Ferrel (Indiana)

If I've forgotten any, please feel free to add.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 25, 2016, 09:06:38 PM
Iowa st bites the dust..... 8)
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tomrod on March 25, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
Wild finish and Notre dame gets the win.

Ok game for the nba prospects but not enough to evaluate them. Hayes has some mental lapses but is very talented, and Jackson is so fast and athletic getting to the rim, but goes in a straight line.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 25, 2016, 10:20:56 PM
How about this Gonzaga player ...Wilcsher .....?   Boy seems to have a nice KO stroke from three .....looks very confident offensive player.....?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 25, 2016, 10:34:58 PM
How about this Gonzaga player ...Wilcsher .....?   Boy seems to have a nice KO stroke from three .....looks very confident offensive player.....?

TP, SHAQ.....thinking the same thing.....liked him so much was thinking of starting a thread on him.

We should have him in for a workout. He's like #85 on Draftexpress, but with a great story.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kyle-Wiltjer-5959/

Transfer from KY. Redshirted to work on his body like KO did. Not very athletic and will be 24 by time season starts, but man can he score !!!

Plays 34 minutes a game, averages over 20 pts and shoots 3s at better than 40% and an excellent FT shooter.

Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 26, 2016, 05:59:49 PM
Tonight's draft prospects:



6:09 Dillon Brooks and Chris Boucher (Oregon)
       Buddy Hield (Oklahoma)

8:49 Diallo, Selden, Ellis (Kansas)
       



Please feel free to add any that I missed.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 26, 2016, 06:39:04 PM
am watching hield right now. he is great shooter, fearless and confident.

his defense seems fine, but his ball handling is so-so.

but he has made a number of silly decisions with the ball. driving into 3 defenders, getting stuck under the basket.

he tries hard, i just have to wonder whether this is typical of his decision making.

UPDATE: still watching him. take away the shooting, which is pretty danged good, and he doesnt really bring much to the game. only one half of watching him, so maybe this is not typical.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 26, 2016, 06:47:26 PM
am watching hield right now. he is great shooter, fearless and confident.

his defense seems fine, but his ball handling is so-so.

but he has made a number of silly decisions with the ball. driving into 3 defenders, getting stuck under the basket.

he tries hard, i just have to wonder whether this is typical of his decision making.

It isn't. What you saw right after that where he drove under the basket and made the pass that lead to the assist...that's Buddy.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Ogaju on March 26, 2016, 07:01:31 PM
Buddy Heild?

I AM FULL!!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: SHAQATTACK on March 26, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
How about this Gonzaga player ...Wilcsher .....?   Boy seems to have a nice KO stroke from three .....looks very confident offensive player.....?

TP, SHAQ.....thinking the same thing.....liked him so much was thinking of starting a thread on him.

We should have him in for a workout. He's like #85 on Draftexpress, but with a great story.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kyle-Wiltjer-5959/

Transfer from KY. Redshirted to work on his body like KO did. Not very athletic and will be 24 by time season starts, but man can he score !!!

Plays 34 minutes a game, averages over 20 pts and shoots 3s at better than 40% and an excellent FT shooter.

Yup .....dude has a deadly stroke from outside ......he looks like He is nearly 7 ft ......I didn't see much inside aggression or rebounding though.   
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Ogaju on March 26, 2016, 07:09:01 PM
If Hield is available when we are picking, and he probably will be at the #3....how do you not take him?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 26, 2016, 07:23:12 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 26, 2016, 07:25:41 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.
Saw a graphic that said 45% or so of his makes are from 3. Hope he has other facets as well. So far he has all threes and a putback. Want to see some drives and some separation from defenders, not just threes.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 26, 2016, 07:27:46 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.
Saw a graphic that said 45% or so of his makes are from 3. Hope he has other facets as well. So far he has all threes and a putback. Want to see some drives and some separation from defenders, not just threes.
his ball handling is not particularly good either. but he can shoot, no doubt.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 26, 2016, 07:27:52 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.

I agree, and he does the little things too. Great consolation prize after Ingram and Simmons.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Ogaju on March 26, 2016, 07:28:35 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.
Saw a graphic that said 45% or so of his makes are from 3. Hope he has other facets as well. So far he has all threes and a putback. Want to see some drives and some separation from defenders, not just threes.

you really have something against threes in today's NBA?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 26, 2016, 07:32:22 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.

I agree, and he does the little things too. Great consolation prize after Ingram and Simmons.
maybe, but not in this game. i must be missing it all. i see uneven passing, mediocre ball handling, and some bad decisions. yes, yes, yes he can shoot like crazy. and his step back jump shot will work well in the nba.

it is the rest of his game that i find to be pedestrian.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 26, 2016, 07:40:56 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.

I agree, and he does the little things too. Great consolation prize after Ingram and Simmons.
maybe, but not in this game. i must be missing it all. i see uneven passing, mediocre ball handling, and some bad decisions. yes, yes, yes he can shoot like crazy. and his step back jump shot will work well in the nba.

it is the rest of his game that i find to be pedestrian.

He is a bit turnover prone (almost 3 per game), but a lot of that has to do with the double and sometimes triple-teams that he faces. He rebounds well for his position (almost 6 per game) and moves without the ball well, considering he plays almost 35 per game.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 26, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.
Saw a graphic that said 45% or so of his makes are from 3. Hope he has other facets as well. So far he has all threes and a putback. Want to see some drives and some separation from defenders, not just threes.

you really have something against threes in today's NBA?


Every team in the NBA can use a guy who is lights out from deep and really good at creating looks for himself from range.  I think we're going to see that more and more.  Call it the Curry effect.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: alldaboston on March 26, 2016, 07:52:10 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.
Saw a graphic that said 45% or so of his makes are from 3. Hope he has other facets as well. So far he has all threes and a putback. Want to see some drives and some separation from defenders, not just threes.

you really have something against threes in today's NBA?

No clue how you got that from my post. I love the three ball. I just said a big portion of his game is the three ball. If that shot isn't falling, I'd like to know that he has other avenues to score.

Heck, everyone here is angry bc smart's FGA are like 35% threes. I'm just saying it's something to monitor with buddy as well.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 26, 2016, 08:18:28 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.
Saw a graphic that said 45% or so of his makes are from 3. Hope he has other facets as well. So far he has all threes and a putback. Want to see some drives and some separation from defenders, not just threes.

you really have something against threes in today's NBA?

No clue how you got that from my post. I love the three ball. I just said a big portion of his game is the three ball. If that shot isn't falling, I'd like to know that he has other avenues to score.

Heck, everyone here is angry bc smart's FGA are like 35% threes. I'm just saying it's something to monitor with buddy as well.

I understand where' you're coming from.  For Buddy to become a star, he'll need to be able to do more than just jack threes.

That said, it's not that Smart is taking 40-50% of his shots from deep per se, it's that his shot attempts are so skewed toward the perimeter even though he's a pretty terrible shooter.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 26, 2016, 08:26:28 PM
Next game with 3 potential second-rounders: Diallo, Selden and Ellis, all on KU.

I'm amazed that 'Nova has NO players in DraftExpress' top 60, but the team ranks as highly and plays as well as it does.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 26, 2016, 08:30:47 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.

I agree, and he does the little things too. Great consolation prize after Ingram and Simmons.
maybe, but not in this game. i must be missing it all. i see uneven passing, mediocre ball handling, and some bad decisions. yes, yes, yes he can shoot like crazy. and his step back jump shot will work well in the nba.

it is the rest of his game that i find to be pedestrian.

He is a bit turnover prone (almost 3 per game), but a lot of that has to do with the double and sometimes triple-teams that he faces. He rebounds well for his position (almost 6 per game) and moves without the ball well, considering he plays almost 35 per game.
if, god forbid, the celtics pick at #6, i would be completely on board with hield. his shot will play well with CBS coaching.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: csfansince60s on March 26, 2016, 08:33:21 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.

I agree, and he does the little things too. Great consolation prize after Ingram and Simmons.
maybe, but not in this game. i must be missing it all. i see uneven passing, mediocre ball handling, and some bad decisions. yes, yes, yes he can shoot like crazy. and his step back jump shot will work well in the nba.

it is the rest of his game that i find to be pedestrian.

He is a bit turnover prone (almost 3 per game), but a lot of that has to do with the double and sometimes triple-teams that he faces. He rebounds well for his position (almost 6 per game) and moves without the ball well, considering he plays almost 35 per game.
if, god forbid, the celtics pick at #6, i would be completely on board with hield. his shot will play well with CBS coaching.

Nets beating the Pacers. That is a possibility. That's a moot issue, though as we are winning the lottery this year. ;)
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 26, 2016, 08:35:27 PM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.

I agree, and he does the little things too. Great consolation prize after Ingram and Simmons.
maybe, but not in this game. i must be missing it all. i see uneven passing, mediocre ball handling, and some bad decisions. yes, yes, yes he can shoot like crazy. and his step back jump shot will work well in the nba.

it is the rest of his game that i find to be pedestrian.

He is a bit turnover prone (almost 3 per game), but a lot of that has to do with the double and sometimes triple-teams that he faces. He rebounds well for his position (almost 6 per game) and moves without the ball well, considering he plays almost 35 per game.
if, god forbid, the celtics pick at #6, i would be completely on board with hield. his shot will play well with CBS coaching.

Nets beating the Pacers. That is a possibility. That's a moot issue, though as we are winning the lottery this year. ;)
ha, ha, ha...i love the optimism. a tp for you my fine friend.  ;D
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: CelticSooner on March 27, 2016, 12:04:36 AM
Hield should be the #3 pick in this draft.

He's a flat out sensational scorer.

He's a baller. Only player I've seen all year that makes plays and I say that's a NBA move.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: PhoSita on March 27, 2016, 12:08:03 AM
The end of that Villa - Kansas game was super messy.  That's college basketball for ya.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 27, 2016, 08:21:15 PM
I'm definitely biased but Malachi Richardson of Syracuse is gonna be a baller.  Already is pretty good for the college level.

*cough*  Just tore up maybe the best defense in the NCAA.  Incredible comeback.  Might have a hell of a house divided game if UNC wins too.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Ogaju on March 27, 2016, 08:23:13 PM
M A L A C H A I .................... look it up !!!!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 27, 2016, 08:36:33 PM
M A L A C H A I .................... look it up !!!!
holy moley!!! THREE of the #1 seeds have played so far, and ALL THREE have lost. i dont ever recall that happening this way before.  :o

i bet a whole bunch of people are tearing up their pool sheets now.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: JSD on March 27, 2016, 08:44:44 PM
Will Syracuse's Richardson be in the draft? The kid has grit
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Ogaju on March 27, 2016, 08:50:30 PM
M A L A C H A I .................... look it up !!!!
holy moley!!! THREE of the #1 seeds have played so far, and ALL THREE have lost. i dont ever recall that happening this way before.  :o

i bet a whole bunch of people are tearing up their pool sheets now.

its funny because Yahoo or MSN just had a story that was titled 'why the final four will be made up of all number 1 seeds'
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: hwangjini_1 on March 27, 2016, 08:51:27 PM
M A L A C H A I .................... look it up !!!!
holy moley!!! THREE of the #1 seeds have played so far, and ALL THREE have lost. i dont ever recall that happening this way before.  :o

i bet a whole bunch of people are tearing up their pool sheets now.

its funny because Yahoo or MSN just had a story that was titled 'why the final four will be made up of all number 1 seeds'
ha, ha...who would have predicted this? i feel sorry for that writer.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 28, 2016, 10:15:37 AM
Will Syracuse's Richardson be in the draft? The kid has grit

I hope not, he's had flashes like this before (none quite this brilliant though) but he's still wildly inconsistent and has a lot of stretches that are more like the first half when he was a non-factor.  Talent's there but he needs more seasoning.  But I suppose if one great half - really one half of one half - makes him millions in rookie contract money it's hard to say no.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: byennie on March 31, 2016, 11:03:35 PM
Shameless plug for a project of mine. Think about how many of these players WON'T get drafted, and what kind of education they are receiving at e.g. Oklahoma. Often times they can't even afford meals during their college careers.

Make a statement to the NCAA and pass it along:
https://playersbracket.org/?cb
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on April 04, 2016, 08:25:42 PM
Villanova looks like a scary team. Bounced somewhat early in year's past but must consider that one was to eventual national champs (UK), too. Hope Heels don't run into them along the way.

Talk about jinxing oneself!

Here's to the 'Heels. Nova is going to bring it. UNC has an advantage inside but needs to play a solid game to seal the deal tonight. Let's go!!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Who on April 04, 2016, 11:26:04 PM
Oh my goodness ... what a shot!

Ohhhh ... Villanova topped it! They win at the buzzer!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: esel1000 on April 04, 2016, 11:27:14 PM
Oh my goodness ... what a shot!

That was unbelievable
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: esel1000 on April 04, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Wowwww... Jenkins game winner right after the Paige shot! If you missed this game I'm sorry
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: jpotter33 on April 04, 2016, 11:30:13 PM
That is insane!
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: bdm860 on April 04, 2016, 11:31:24 PM
Ha, reading the comments before mine, I don't know if people are talking about UNC's shot or Villanova's shot.  What a great ending with a huge shot by UNC, then the huge answer by Villanova.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Eja117 on April 04, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
That is one of the most incredible endings to any game I have seen. I'm not exactly sure if I can sleep now
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: Dino Pitino on April 04, 2016, 11:35:33 PM
Are the Crying Michael Jordan memes rolling in yet?
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on April 04, 2016, 11:38:48 PM
Nova outcoached them, took away interior advantage.

Words can't express...

Ugh. Maybe another shot in 8 years or so :/

Still live by my 'Heels, though. Paige got himself drafted tonight. May never play a meaningful NBA minute, but that kid's got heart. Wish he developed as they had hoped. Good for him, though.
Title: Re: 2016 NCAA Tournament
Post by: jambr380 on April 04, 2016, 11:40:54 PM
Pretty crazy ending.

I can't claim to be a college bball aficionado, but glad I saw this one live. Funny championship in that neither team really had any players that anybody knows or is going to know.