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Title: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on August 30, 2015, 11:33:57 PM
I was watching on silent with subtitles on in a restaurant, so it's possible that without context I could be dead wrong... but I'm pretty sure he just announced he's running for President in 2020. Whatttt.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: saltlover on August 30, 2015, 11:51:41 PM
I was watching on silent with subtitles on in a restaurant, so it's possible that without context I could be dead wrong... but I'm pretty sure he just announced he's running for President in 2020. Whatttt.

Freaking election cycles are getting longer and longer...  ::)
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Endless Paradise on August 30, 2015, 11:56:18 PM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on August 31, 2015, 12:22:45 AM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on August 31, 2015, 12:47:46 AM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.

So business as usual, then?
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on August 31, 2015, 12:52:57 AM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.

So business as usual, then?

:P  Guess so. Would this not be a new extreme? Too young and removed from politics to know..
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: knuckleballer on August 31, 2015, 12:58:47 AM
Who would not want to see a debate between Kanye and Trump?  Or Kim K in the White House?  FLOTUS **** star... has a nice ring to it.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on August 31, 2015, 01:03:16 AM
Who would not want to see a debate between Kanye and Trump?  Or Kim K in the White House?  FLOTUS **** star... has a nice ring to it.

I'd do my part to try to make it happen.

Can't imagine any one has been so off-base in a debate as Kanye would. That'd be miraculous to see.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: knuckleballer on August 31, 2015, 01:08:56 AM
Who would not want to see a debate between Kanye and Trump?  Or Kim K in the White House?  FLOTUS **** star... has a nice ring to it.

I'd do my part to try to make it happen.

Can't imagine any one has been so off-base in a debate as Kanye would. That'd be miraculous to see.

At least, we would get a lot of great comedy out of it.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on August 31, 2015, 01:38:06 AM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.

So business as usual, then?

:P  Guess so. Would this not be a new extreme? Too young and removed from politics to know..

I think anyone who looks at themselves in the mirror and says "yes, I could be President" is possessed with a very strong narcissistic streak.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on August 31, 2015, 01:45:59 AM
He is running in 2020, Trump has no real chance of winning this time, no matter how the poles look, unless Trump runs again then we will never see that debate.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: knuckleballer on August 31, 2015, 01:50:01 AM
He is running in 2020, Trump has no real chance of winning this time, no matter how the poles look, unless Trump runs again then we will never see that debate.

True, but I don't think this thread required logic.  ;D
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on August 31, 2015, 01:57:17 AM
He is running in 2020, Trump has no real chance of winning this time, no matter how the poles look, unless Trump runs again then we will never see that debate.

True, but I don't think this thread required logic.  ;D

Hey, buddy...

trying to give the people what they want
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: knuckleballer on August 31, 2015, 02:03:33 AM
He is running in 2020, Trump has no real chance of winning this time, no matter how the poles look, unless Trump runs again then we will never see that debate.

True, but I don't think this thread required logic.  ;D

Hey, buddy...

trying to give the people what they want

Not criticizing the thread.  It's all over the news and it's totally entertaining.  Although, I think when he sobers up in the morning, he will lose interest.  It's really not the best idea to speak in front of millions when high. 
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on August 31, 2015, 02:09:47 AM
He is running in 2020, Trump has no real chance of winning this time, no matter how the poles look, unless Trump runs again then we will never see that debate.

True, but I don't think this thread required logic.  ;D

Hey, buddy...

trying to give the people what they want

Not criticizing the thread.  It's all over the news and it's totally entertaining.  Although, I think when he sobers up in the morning, he will lose interest.  It's really not the best idea to speak in front of millions when high.

JK. But I watched on replay afterward and it did seem like an impulsive statement. So yea, I agree, whether it's tomorrow or in 3 years, I can see him losing interest / sobering up / realizing how insane the idea is.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: twistedrico on August 31, 2015, 07:12:36 AM
Kanye West=Moron
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: ManUp on August 31, 2015, 09:01:44 AM
He has my vote... and yes I am somewhat serious.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: dreamgreen on August 31, 2015, 09:20:27 AM
He has my vote... and yes I am somewhat serious.

ROFL
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: littleteapot on August 31, 2015, 09:27:08 AM
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Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Bankshot on August 31, 2015, 09:31:13 AM
He is running in 2020, Trump has no real chance of winning this time, no matter how the poles look, unless Trump runs again then we will never see that debate.

True, but I don't think this thread required logic.  ;D

Hey, buddy...

trying to give the people what they want

Not criticizing the thread.  It's all over the news and it's totally entertaining.  Although, I think when he sobers up in the morning, he will lose interest.  It's really not the best idea to speak in front of millions when high.

JK. But I watched on replay afterward and it did seem like an impulsive statement. So yea, I agree, whether it's tomorrow or in 3 years, I can see him losing interest / sobering up / realizing how insane the idea is.

So I guess Trump never sobered up?  Or he always acts drunk and/or high.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: BballTim on August 31, 2015, 10:03:34 AM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.

So business as usual, then?

  Other than fame replacing money.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Celtics4ever on August 31, 2015, 10:42:35 AM
He has every right to run.   I hope he does it, it might be amusing.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: slamtheking on August 31, 2015, 10:45:52 AM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.
TP

still don't understand the fascination for this talent-less hack. 

3 biggest things he's known for aren't talent-related:
1. barging onstage to interrupt Taylor Swift at a music award show
2. hooking up with the country's other best known talent-less 'celebrity' Kim Kardashian
3. giving his kid an inane name "north".

would love nothing better than for this ass-clown to disappear from the national spotlight.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: jpotter33 on August 31, 2015, 11:01:03 AM
He is running in 2020, Trump has no real chance of winning this time, no matter how the poles look, unless Trump runs again then we will never see that debate.

True, but I don't think this thread required logic.  ;D

Hey, buddy...

trying to give the people what they want

Not criticizing the thread.  It's all over the news and it's totally entertaining.  Although, I think when he sobers up in the morning, he will lose interest.  It's really not the best idea to speak in front of millions when high.

Possibly TMI, but I was on the toilet in a public restroom when I read this and totally busted up laughing. Thanks.... lol TP!
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Neurotic Guy on August 31, 2015, 11:05:01 AM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.

So business as usual, then?

:P  Guess so. Would this not be a new extreme? Too young and removed from politics to know..

I think anyone who looks at themselves in the mirror and says "yes, I could be President" is possessed with a very strong narcissistic streak.

It almost follows that anyone who looks at themselves in the mirror and says "yes, I could (or worse, should) be President" is someone we may want to immediately rule out.   It takes quite a bit of over-confidence to have the belief that you are capable of being a national/world leader.   I like confidence interspersed with a nice dose of humility.

Note that every president we've ever had for more than one term has been embroiled in some form of major scandal.  Examples: Nixon (Watergate); Reagan (Iran-Contra); Clinton (Whitewater; Lewinsky); Bush (Iraq/WMD; Katrina/FEMA); Obama (VA; IRS/Conservative targeting).    In other words, no one can really manage the magnitude of this job without some humility and the ability to acknowledge one's own limitations.  I don't trust that Trump really understands the difference in complexity between building your father's $50M real estate holdings into a multi-billion dollar empire and being the CEO of the United States of America.

That said, I have no doubt that Kanye could do it.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on August 31, 2015, 11:17:11 AM
Agreed. That's an old Carlin bit, I think, something about finding the one person who says "no, absolutely not" and dragging him into office.

re: Trump, he's not a real candidate, he's not even pretending to be. I think the whole thing has shown just how willing people are to conflate wealth with capability, which is dangerous.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on August 31, 2015, 11:23:08 AM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.
TP

still don't understand the fascination for this talent-less hack. 

3 biggest things he's known for aren't talent-related:
1. barging onstage to interrupt Taylor Swift at a music award show
2. hooking up with the country's other best known talent-less 'celebrity' Kim Kardashian
3. giving his kid an inane name "north".

would love nothing better than for this ass-clown to disappear from the national spotlight.

He does make great sounding records, though.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Forza Juventus on September 01, 2015, 02:27:42 PM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.
TP

still don't understand the fascination for this talent-less hack

3 biggest things he's known for aren't talent-related:
1. barging onstage to interrupt Taylor Swift at a music award show
2. hooking up with the country's other best known talent-less 'celebrity' Kim Kardashian
3. giving his kid an inane name "north".

would love nothing better than for this ass-clown to disappear from the national spotlight.

Very ignorant thing to say he is talent-less
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: manl_lui on September 01, 2015, 02:37:28 PM
it'll be very sad if America somehow really votes Kanye into office...if that happens I'm moving to Canada
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on September 01, 2015, 02:39:22 PM
it'll be very sad if America somehow really votes Kanye into office...if that happens I'm moving to Canada

Luckily, it's the same situation as Trump -- they attract what are called "low-information voters", and those are the people who don't vote in Primaries. I don't think Yeezy runs as an independent.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: slamtheking on September 01, 2015, 02:51:24 PM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.
TP

still don't understand the fascination for this talent-less hack. 

3 biggest things he's known for aren't talent-related:
1. barging onstage to interrupt Taylor Swift at a music award show
2. hooking up with the country's other best known talent-less 'celebrity' Kim Kardashian
3. giving his kid an inane name "north".

would love nothing better than for this ass-clown to disappear from the national spotlight.

He does make great sounding records, though.
if by 'great sounding' you mean that sound they make as they're thrown against a wall, then yes, I agree.  otherwise, it's pure crap.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on September 01, 2015, 02:53:08 PM
 :P
From a sonic perspective he's got a lot of interesting ideas, particularly in the context of pop music.

I don't own any of his records, but calling him talentless just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: slamtheking on September 01, 2015, 02:53:24 PM
Eff it, if Trump can run, why not Kanye?

Maybe a trend will develop. Only requisites are fame and uncontrolled narcissism.
TP

still don't understand the fascination for this talent-less hack

3 biggest things he's known for aren't talent-related:
1. barging onstage to interrupt Taylor Swift at a music award show
2. hooking up with the country's other best known talent-less 'celebrity' Kim Kardashian
3. giving his kid an inane name "north".

would love nothing better than for this ass-clown to disappear from the national spotlight.

Very ignorant thing to say he is talent-less
hardly.  unless you're referring to his ability to knock up Kim K when all the other 'studs' were just passing her around like a joint at a Grateful Dead concert and decided she wasn't worth it, then sure, he's talented.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: slamtheking on September 01, 2015, 02:54:53 PM
:P
From a sonic perspective he's got a lot of interesting ideas, particularly in the context of pop music.

I don't own any of his records, but calling him talentless just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
nope, I've heard him.  sounds god-awful.  admittedly I hate the vast bulk of rap "music" but I find his brand of noise to be particularly loathesome.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Tr1boy on September 01, 2015, 02:55:58 PM
I was watching on silent with subtitles on in a restaurant, so it's possible that without context I could be dead wrong... but I'm pretty sure he just announced he's running for President in 2020. Whatttt.
Is this a joke? Is he going to freestyle his speeches also
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on September 01, 2015, 03:04:37 PM
:P
From a sonic perspective he's got a lot of interesting ideas, particularly in the context of pop music.

I don't own any of his records, but calling him talentless just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
nope, I've heard him.  sounds god-awful.  admittedly I hate the vast bulk of rap "music" but I find his brand of noise to be particularly loathesome.

That's not what I'm talking about, though. You don't have to like it to know that it's good -- the vast majority of radio music, regardless of genre, sounds tremendous, and there's a reason some of these producers can command seriously high dollar prices for sessions.

It has next to nothing to do with "like" or "dislike" unless you're the kind of person who judges things exclusively on that criteria. Not that that isn't a perfectly valid way to measure things, but it does sound uneducated.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 01, 2015, 03:25:03 PM
I don't really care for Kanye's music but I also hold the increasingly radical opinion among my aging white guy peers that music I don't personally like is still music, and can be worthwhile even if it's not my thing. 

As such I can recognize the guy's at minimum an exceptionally talented and creative producer despite some cringeworthy lyrics and an universal reputation as a conceited jackass.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Endless Paradise on September 01, 2015, 03:31:35 PM
It's 2015 and people still aren't accepting of rap as a legitimate music form?
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: GC003332 on September 01, 2015, 03:32:15 PM
Good news for Kayne if he decides to run and anyone tries to take him out he has Kim's every growing rear end to hide behind, imagine the size of that thing in a few years , just wow!
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: fairweatherfan on September 01, 2015, 03:40:26 PM
It's 2015 and people still aren't accepting of rap as a legitimate music form?

(smug uncle) you know rap is spelled with a silent "C", right?  8) (/smug uncle)
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: slamtheking on September 01, 2015, 03:41:39 PM
:P
From a sonic perspective he's got a lot of interesting ideas, particularly in the context of pop music.

I don't own any of his records, but calling him talentless just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
nope, I've heard him.  sounds god-awful.  admittedly I hate the vast bulk of rap "music" but I find his brand of noise to be particularly loathesome.

That's not what I'm talking about, though. You don't have to like it to know that it's good -- the vast majority of radio music, regardless of genre, sounds tremendous, and there's a reason some of these producers can command seriously high dollar prices for sessions.

It has next to nothing to do with "like" or "dislike" unless you're the kind of person who judges things exclusively on that criteria. Not that that isn't a perfectly valid way to measure things, but it does sound uneducated.
when it comes to personal taste, then 'like' or 'dislike' is the primary way to judge things.  Music is very much one of those things. 

as far as rap goes, there's no musicianship that I could point to and appreciate.  For example, I can't stand most country music either but I can certainly appreciate musicianship that goes into it.   Rap is basically rhythmic speech.  while it does require some effort to become good at it, it's not nearly on the same level as someone who actually sings.  another example, I'm not a fan of Christina Aguilera's music but I can appreciate she has an incredible voice.

calling that uneducated is getting on a high horse to look down on others that don't share your viewpoint and you come across as an elitist snob. 

Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Forza Juventus on September 01, 2015, 03:47:19 PM
:P
From a sonic perspective he's got a lot of interesting ideas, particularly in the context of pop music.

I don't own any of his records, but calling him talentless just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
nope, I've heard him.  sounds god-awful.  admittedly I hate the vast bulk of rap "music" but I find his brand of noise to be particularly loathesome.

I don't like country music or classic rock, etc but I would never call them talentless.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Forza Juventus on September 01, 2015, 03:48:40 PM
:P
From a sonic perspective he's got a lot of interesting ideas, particularly in the context of pop music.

I don't own any of his records, but calling him talentless just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
nope, I've heard him.  sounds god-awful.  admittedly I hate the vast bulk of rap "music" but I find his brand of noise to be particularly loathesome.

That's not what I'm talking about, though. You don't have to like it to know that it's good -- the vast majority of radio music, regardless of genre, sounds tremendous, and there's a reason some of these producers can command seriously high dollar prices for sessions.

It has next to nothing to do with "like" or "dislike" unless you're the kind of person who judges things exclusively on that criteria. Not that that isn't a perfectly valid way to measure things, but it does sound uneducated.
when it comes to personal taste, then 'like' or 'dislike' is the primary way to judge things.  Music is very much one of those things. 

as far as rap goes, there's no musicianship that I could point to and appreciate.  For example, I can't stand most country music either but I can certainly appreciate musicianship that goes into it.   Rap is basically rhythmic speech.  while it does require some effort to become good at it, it's not nearly on the same level as someone who actually sings.  another example, I'm not a fan of Christina Aguilera's music but I can appreciate she has an incredible voice.

calling that uneducated is getting on a high horse to look down on others that don't share your viewpoint and you come across as an elitist snob.

I think your the one that sounds elitist. And not knowing much about hip hop would make you uneducated about hip hop right?
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on September 01, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
:P
From a sonic perspective he's got a lot of interesting ideas, particularly in the context of pop music.

I don't own any of his records, but calling him talentless just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
nope, I've heard him.  sounds god-awful.  admittedly I hate the vast bulk of rap "music" but I find his brand of noise to be particularly loathesome.

That's not what I'm talking about, though. You don't have to like it to know that it's good -- the vast majority of radio music, regardless of genre, sounds tremendous, and there's a reason some of these producers can command seriously high dollar prices for sessions.

It has next to nothing to do with "like" or "dislike" unless you're the kind of person who judges things exclusively on that criteria. Not that that isn't a perfectly valid way to measure things, but it does sound uneducated.
when it comes to personal taste, then 'like' or 'dislike' is the primary way to judge things.  Music is very much one of those things. 

as far as rap goes, there's no musicianship that I could point to and appreciate.  For example, I can't stand most country music either but I can certainly appreciate musicianship that goes into it.   Rap is basically rhythmic speech.  while it does require some effort to become good at it, it's not nearly on the same level as someone who actually sings.  another example, I'm not a fan of Christina Aguilera's music but I can appreciate she has an incredible voice.

calling that uneducated is getting on a high horse to look down on others that don't share your viewpoint and you come across as an elitist snob.

The thing is: that's just incorrect. You're not talking about musicanship: you're talking about virtuosity, and conflating the two is misguided, to put it nicely. There is much more to music than what you're using to delineate 'real music' from 'pretend music.'

This is beyond genre preference. This is simply a matter of using a very limited scope of a conversation to define your entire contribution to the discussion. I know you're a lot smarter than that and it's kind of a bummer that you're not looking at it in a larger way, that's all.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Forza Juventus on September 01, 2015, 04:00:24 PM
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Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on September 01, 2015, 04:17:50 PM
Had to put it on in order to get the quote right (plus it's one of my favorite concert films) but Roger Waters said this in 1971 and I don't think it has changed a single iota in the almost 40 years since.

"It's like, you give a man a Les Paul guitar and he becomes Eric Clapton, and of course that's not true. And if you give a man an amplifier and a synthesizer, he doesn't become, you know, whoever; he doesn't become us."
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: slamtheking on September 01, 2015, 10:16:34 PM
:P
From a sonic perspective he's got a lot of interesting ideas, particularly in the context of pop music.

I don't own any of his records, but calling him talentless just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
nope, I've heard him.  sounds god-awful.  admittedly I hate the vast bulk of rap "music" but I find his brand of noise to be particularly loathesome.

I don't like country music or classic rock, etc but I would never call them talentless.
neither would I -  they would actually have to have a talent like playing an instrument or singing.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: slamtheking on September 01, 2015, 10:17:53 PM
:P
From a sonic perspective he's got a lot of interesting ideas, particularly in the context of pop music.

I don't own any of his records, but calling him talentless just makes it sound like you don't know what you're talking about.
nope, I've heard him.  sounds god-awful.  admittedly I hate the vast bulk of rap "music" but I find his brand of noise to be particularly loathesome.

That's not what I'm talking about, though. You don't have to like it to know that it's good -- the vast majority of radio music, regardless of genre, sounds tremendous, and there's a reason some of these producers can command seriously high dollar prices for sessions.

It has next to nothing to do with "like" or "dislike" unless you're the kind of person who judges things exclusively on that criteria. Not that that isn't a perfectly valid way to measure things, but it does sound uneducated.
when it comes to personal taste, then 'like' or 'dislike' is the primary way to judge things.  Music is very much one of those things. 

as far as rap goes, there's no musicianship that I could point to and appreciate.  For example, I can't stand most country music either but I can certainly appreciate musicianship that goes into it.   Rap is basically rhythmic speech.  while it does require some effort to become good at it, it's not nearly on the same level as someone who actually sings.  another example, I'm not a fan of Christina Aguilera's music but I can appreciate she has an incredible voice.

calling that uneducated is getting on a high horse to look down on others that don't share your viewpoint and you come across as an elitist snob.

The thing is: that's just incorrect. You're not talking about musicanship: you're talking about virtuosity, and conflating the two is misguided, to put it nicely. There is much more to music than what you're using to delineate 'real music' from 'pretend music.'

This is beyond genre preference. This is simply a matter of using a very limited scope of a conversation to define your entire contribution to the discussion. I know you're a lot smarter than that and it's kind of a bummer that you're not looking at it in a larger way, that's all.
well thank goodness you know what's correct here that you can tell people they're wrong ::)
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on September 01, 2015, 10:50:52 PM
I will never understand why people read only the first sentence of a post and suffice themselves with that. 

To use a loose basketball analogy,What you have said is  that Shane Battier was a bad basketball player because he did not score many points.

You would, I am sure, agree that said opinion is both uniformed and wrong. You can dislike Shane Battier's play aesthetically, but if you say he was a bad NBA player you are incorrect. Categorically not right. This is, I think you would agree, relatively uncontroversial to point out.


Look at what you wrote:

as far as rap goes, there's no musicianship that I could point to and appreciate. 

The key here is the last seven words, not the first eight. It's not a taste thing, it's not an "I like it" "I don't like it" thing, it's a "you are saying something that is incorrect and I am trying to explain to you why" thing. Like getting a math equation wrong in an introductory algebra class and saying "NO IM NOT WRONG", it makes you look petulant and uniformed. You, insofar as I know you as a CB poster, are neither of those things, so I don't understand the resistance.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on September 01, 2015, 10:56:36 PM
Perhaps slam is just embracing his inner Kanye right now.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on September 01, 2015, 10:58:35 PM
No I think he's unaware of the difference between instrumental virtuosity and musicianship, at least insofar as his comments about "playing an instrument" are concerned. Now, that's silly, since you don't have to be able to play an instrument to write music -- as vast annals of human history have proven -- and you don't have to use live instrumentation to create music, either.

Or maybe he's one of those people who directly equate manual dexterity to musical accomplishment. Slam, are you a big Rush fan?
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Forza Juventus on September 01, 2015, 11:16:51 PM
He is just ignorant. He already is not a hip hop fan so he has a biased opinion. If he thinks Kanye has no talent then he must think all rappers have no talent because Kanye is universally known as one of the best. In my opinion the best. He is critically acclaimed. I mean this poster literally said Kanye has no talent. In my experience people that don't like Kanye already don't like hip hop and in my experience people that don't like hip hop are very arrogant and elitist and can't just dislike hip hop, they have to also not take it seriously and say it's not real music. Very ignorant stuff.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on September 01, 2015, 11:19:39 PM
Well, for the record, I don't like Kanye as a rapper. Hip hop is just music like any other kind of music -- there is 'good' and 'bad,' but it's not impossible to see the things that are done well in music you don't like.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: Forza Juventus on September 01, 2015, 11:25:14 PM
Which is why he shouldn't be critiquing him. I don't go around insulting country stars or hockey stars because I know nothing about either. He literally said the man has no talent. He couldn't have been more ignorant.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on September 01, 2015, 11:27:46 PM
Which is why he shouldn't be critiquing him. I don't go around insulting country stars or hockey stars because I know nothing about either. He literally said the man has no talent. He couldn't have been more ignorant.

I don't know if that was meant quite so literally.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on September 02, 2015, 01:23:52 AM
It's fair to call him a genius. Not a fan of his - though I was when he first came out and was more of a producer and initially off-the-radar artist - but, to be fair, his following and critical acclaim speaks for itself. If he did not produce an exceptional product for many years, then the general population would necessarily have horrible taste... seems like pretty good odds to safely bet he's good at what he does.

Huge fan of 90s rap, likely as a product of age, culture, the superiority of 90s rap, etc. So everything that has come since Tupac, for example, I can fairly easily brush off as "crap." But to dismiss his talents based upon personal preferences would be silly, which seems to be the discussion unraveling here.

One can certainly argue that a lot of his success came from his creating a polarizing persona. That'd argument could carry weight, for sure, in that a lot of people make careers off of that. But he definitely did not start off his career that way, at least not to the general public, and I doubt he would've enjoyed the success he has had based entirely upon PR stunts.

I do think he's a clown, fwiw. And I would like to see him run for president solely because of that, too.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: thirstyboots18 on October 04, 2015, 04:59:55 PM
Part of the glory of the United States of America is that anyone of a certain age who was born here can run for President.  That does not mean that they will be elected president..... ;)
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: littleteapot on October 04, 2015, 06:57:23 PM
"In America, anyone can be president. That's the problem." -George Carlin
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: thirstyboots18 on October 05, 2015, 03:25:41 PM
"In America, anyone can be president. That's the problem." -George Carlin
Ahhh...a little humor on the subject...do you feel that Presidents should be Harvard or Yale trained...preferably constitutional lawyers?  or life long politicians?
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: D.o.s. on October 05, 2015, 03:31:23 PM
"In America, anyone can be president. That's the problem." -George Carlin
Ahhh...a little humor on the subject...do you feel that Presidents should be Harvard or Yale trained...preferably constitutional lawyers?  or life long politicians?

Ideally all of the above. We need them to protect our corporations job creators.
Title: Re: Kanye for President in 2020
Post by: littleteapot on October 05, 2015, 03:36:24 PM
"In America, anyone can be president. That's the problem." -George Carlin
Ahhh...a little humor on the subject...do you feel that Presidents should be Harvard or Yale trained...preferably constitutional lawyers?  or life long politicians?
I just think this is a funny joke that makes a good point about the types of people we end up electing; I obviously don't think there should be some kind of rule requiring a presidential candidate to have certain background.

Personally I think the idea of a "washington insider" is completely overblown. There are plenty of career politicians with law degrees from prestigious schools who have very different points of view and do not simply fall in line with their partly line or lobbyists.