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Title: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: byennie on July 14, 2015, 06:55:17 PM
Points leaguers-

This is a fresh thread for our 2015 offseason. Our previous thread was locked, and BFM is no longer a member of the league. Multiple members of the league received CBlog suspensions.

Do NOT let this thread go the same way. Our entire league could lose its CBlog privileges.
Do NOT get yourself banned from CBlog. I won't accommodate your membership in the league if you abuse other members and cannot participate in this forum.

I give people the benefit of the doubt whenever possible, but if you can't respect each other just on principle, please respect CelticsBlog, your fellow GMs, and me. If the league upsets you so much that you cannot behave, then please walk away. If you have a real, serious, rules-based concern about another GM then contact me privately first.

End rant. Resume offseason.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 14, 2015, 09:48:25 PM
So I guess we need a new GM. I hope that goes well.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 14, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
TPs for the headache(s) Byennie.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 14, 2015, 11:59:43 PM
Toine's Boys are rejoicing Perry Jones III's newly granted freedom as a member of the Boston Celtics! Our team expects big things from both PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb this coming season.


(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/003/469/201/60b4facf42b0bcf65cc8b782fd1fa809_crop_north.jpg?w=630&h=420&q=75)


(http://www.trbimg.com/img-52d99291/turbine/hc-jeremy-lamb-rockets-pg-20140117-012)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: The Walker Wiggle on July 15, 2015, 02:00:37 AM
but if you can't respect each other just on principle, please respect CelticsBlog, your fellow GMs, and me Lucky17's memory.

Byennie, if it's any consolation the founder himself of this the first Celticsblog fantasy league quit in a rage mid ur-draft. You've taken on a true challenge. Good luck.

Love to CelticDynasty5.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 15, 2015, 06:38:00 AM
I have a idea for a replacement gm.  Loves bball and is not a jerk.  Let me know if I should reach out
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 15, 2015, 09:28:24 AM
I'll use the new thread to announce a trade that has been completed, but not yet reflected in the offseason tracking spreadsheet.

YH sends: 2016 1st
Pitts sends: 2015 #21 and 2016 1st
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on July 15, 2015, 10:12:06 AM
Although, I said that I was shutting the UF Points League front office down until the fall, I am semi-reopening operations in hopes that things will be better...


...we'll actually, my real motivation is to post Utah Flash Summer League Highlights!!!


7/13 - Walter Tavares, 24min, 12pts, 10reb, 2blks, 2stls, 2TOs, and 6PFs.  :o  ;D :o ;D
7/13 - Nikola Jokic, 21min, 8pts, 3reb, 1ast, 1blk, 2TOs, and 3PFs.  ;D ;D ;D
7/13 - James Ennis, 25min, 8pts, 4reb, 1ast, 1TOs, and 2PFs.  :-\
7/14 - Marcus Smart, 27min, 1-11FGs, 6pts, 3reb, 3asts, 2stls, 2TOs, 3PFs  >:(  >:(  >:(
7/14 - Thanasis Antetokounmpo, 14min, 6pts, 3reb, 2blks  ;D  ;D
7/14 - Archie Goodwin, 19min, 7pts, 3reb, 2asts, stl, 1TO  :-\

Mk

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 15, 2015, 12:11:24 PM
I have a idea for a replacement gm.  Loves bball and is not a jerk.  Let me know if I should reach out

As a general rule --- I typically feel like that "friends" are not ideal for leagues because of perceptions of collusion or favoritism.  [I'm not suggesting the person you're thinking about false into that category...]
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 15, 2015, 12:29:19 PM
I have a idea for a replacement gm.  Loves bball and is not a jerk.  Let me know if I should reach out

As a general rule --- I typically feel like that "friends" are not ideal for leagues because of perceptions of collusion or favoritism.  [I'm not suggesting the person you're thinking about false into that category...]

I can see where you are coming from but I would rather somebody bring a friend in then bring in another dud. 
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Lucky17 on July 15, 2015, 03:24:23 PM
[waves]
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 15, 2015, 04:19:57 PM
[waves]

(http://wpmu.mah.se/nmict151group2/files/2015/01/8.jpg)


haha... j/k Lucky... always good to have a celebrity back in the house!

haha pt2 -- i think you may have been waving to us... i read this as virtually making waves. time for me to stop internetting.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Lucky17 on July 15, 2015, 04:24:56 PM
I can't believe my name is still on this thing. It should have been byennie's Yahoo! Points League this time last year, no?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 15, 2015, 07:43:48 PM
We are all lovers of ancient history.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on July 15, 2015, 07:52:28 PM
OOPS I put up H2H Roster on here so I had to delete it  :D

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: byennie on July 16, 2015, 01:15:47 AM
I can't believe my name is still on this thing. It should have been byennie's Yahoo! Points League this time last year, no?

I'm just waiting for someone to outbid you for naming rights...
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 16, 2015, 09:15:08 AM
Hibbert and David West Gone. Interested to see what Ian Mahinmi is gonna do in Indy this year.  Could prove to be a huge waiver pickup last year. 
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 16, 2015, 09:37:56 AM
I can't believe my name is still on this thing. It should have been byennie's Yahoo! Points League this time last year, no?

I'm just waiting for someone to outbid you for naming rights...

I'll give you 2 wooden nickels to name the league "Champkind loves THE Walker Wiggle Points League"!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 16, 2015, 09:40:13 AM
With my most recent trade (not yet announced), my roster is almost completely set in stone.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bKbwO8sp8HU/UkMmJNYECAI/AAAAAAAAAY4/8yfAsFYnauM/s200/jersey.jpg)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on July 16, 2015, 09:55:23 AM
Cant wait for the draft..I got 6 picks right now and dying to use them lol
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on July 16, 2015, 10:11:20 AM
And cant wait to see what my new roster gotta look like..i traded Aldridge, Gasol, and Dragic for Kostas, Vonleh, 6th, 8th, 12th, 14th and 16th picks....Vonleh looks great so far and should do great in Portland..Kostas should get plenty of minutes in Sactown..also got Beverly and he is the starting PG in Houston..Shabazz Mohammed should get minutes in Minnesota and was doing great till he got injured..and have Faried and Isaiah also..so going to be some growing pains but going to be fun  ;D
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 16, 2015, 12:26:00 PM
Hibbert and David West Gone. Interested to see what Ian Mahinmi is gonna do in Indy this year.  Could prove to be a huge waiver pickup last year.

I read the first sentence and thought someone had raided my team!!

I just checked though and Hibbert and West are still there though.

Crisis averted ;D
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 16, 2015, 01:11:27 PM
With my most recent trade (not yet announced), my roster is almost completely set in stone.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bKbwO8sp8HU/UkMmJNYECAI/AAAAAAAAAY4/8yfAsFYnauM/s200/jersey.jpg)

After months and months of pimping, Bismack Biyombo is on the move to my team.  I look forward to Mr. Stonehands joining my team and fulfilling the promise/potential that he clearly has.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 16, 2015, 04:06:45 PM
(https://markhalperin.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/donkeysfly1.jpg?w=580)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 16, 2015, 04:09:48 PM
With a trade that has yet to be announced, I now have two 2016 2nd rounders. Looking to package both for a 2015 pick in the 20's. Send a PM if interested.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 16, 2015, 06:06:18 PM
Chris Paul will be tossing lobs to Smith, Jordan and Griffin this season.  Gonna be fun to watch. 
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 16, 2015, 09:29:29 PM
Just an FYI....

Mario Chalmers had more fantasy points last year than the following players.....this is a partial list..I am hoping to get a 2016 2nd rounder for him. Also if I move the 25th pick I might keep him

Durant by hundreds of points
Melo
Aaron Afflalo
Jabari Parker and Otto Porter combined
Matt Barnes
Marco Bellineli
Adrian Payne, Noah Vonleh, James Young, and Jeremy lamb combined
Omri Caspi
Boris Diaw
Kevin Martin
J Nurkic and perry Jones combined
Shabbaz Muhammed
Amare S
Robert Covington
Evan Fournier (by hundreds of points)
Kelly Olynyk
Dennis Shroeder
Marcus Smart
Lance Stephenson
Chris Bosh
Dante Exum and Aaron Gordon combined
mareese Spieghts
Jose Calderon
Jrue Holiday
Brandan Wright
Patrick Beverly
12 points less than Avery Bradley
Robin Lopez
Josh McRoberts, Jerami Grant, Clint Capela, and Doug McDermott combined
Cole Aldrich
Tony Allen
Chase Budinger
JJ Hickson
George Hill
Iman Shumpert
MKG
Ben McLemore
Grevis Vasquez
JJ Barera
Noris Cole and PJ Hairston combined
Ersan Il
Terrance Ross
Austin Rivers by hundreds of points
DJ Augustin
Kris Humphries
Tony Parker
Bojan Bogdanovic
Alec Burks and Lavoy Allen combined
Solomon Hill
Brandon Jennings
Bargnani by over 1000 points
Taj Gibson
Tim Hardaway Jr by hundreds of points
KJ Daniels and Mitch McGary combined
Rodney Stuckey
Marvin Williams
He was about 60 points behind Trey Burke
Jae Crowder
Tony Wroten, Cleanthony Early, and Gary Harris combined
James Johnson
Ricky Rubio by over 1000 points
Hassan Whiteside
Wesley Johnson
about 100 points behind Harrison Barnes
Al Farouq Aminu
Channing Frye
Spenser Hawes
Myers Leonard by almost 1000 points
Dwight Howard
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Kwhit10 on July 17, 2015, 08:57:30 AM
And now he plays behind dragic.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 17, 2015, 09:13:09 AM
He played behind him for about a third of last year. Now that he'll play behind him the whole year (barring injury) he'll probably fall off the face of the Earth. First guys off the bench aren't worth much in this league.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 17, 2015, 04:57:38 PM
Figured I'd put my roster up here. Was just telling someone that i'm interested in moving up just a little (15-19 range from 22) in the draft if anyone's interested...

C.J. Miles
David West
DeMarcus Cousins
Goran Dragic
Jarrett Jack
Joe Johnson
Jose Calderon
Justin Hamilton
Mike Conley
Pau Gasol
Paul Millsap
Reggie Jackson
Roy Hibbert
Rudy Gay
Steve Novak

#22 pick
#28 pick
#35 pick

2016 Brahma #2 pick
2016 Utah #2 pick
2016 TT #2 pick

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 17, 2015, 06:43:00 PM
I had missed this, but it looks like Alexei Shved's NBA career is over, he has signed a long-term deal to play in Moscow:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2523075-alexey-shved-to-khimki-moscow-latest-contract-details-analysis-and-reaction
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 17, 2015, 09:21:58 PM
I had missed this, but it looks like Alexei Shved's NBA career is over, he has signed a long-term deal to play in Moscow:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2523075-alexey-shved-to-khimki-moscow-latest-contract-details-analysis-and-reaction

And now Aaron Gordon is hurt too
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 20, 2015, 01:49:17 PM
Manu Ginobili is available for a second round pick.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on July 20, 2015, 07:58:47 PM
Thanks Denver for trading Lawson to ur division rivals and knocking out my {was} starting PG in Patrick Beverly
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 20, 2015, 08:54:48 PM
Thanks Denver for trading Lawson to ur division rivals and knocking out my {was} starting PG in Patrick Beverly

Yea, that's a tough break.  (In my opinion) You overpaid prior to beverley losing his spot.  But that trade really hurts....
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 20, 2015, 09:48:09 PM
While the spreadsheet is not accurate (at least two of my trades are not yet reflected there), my current roster is as follows.  Everyone is available, bench players more so than guys I have penciled in as starters.

PG   Kyrie Irving
PG   George Hill
SG   Kevin Martin
SG   Trevor Ariza
SF   Kawhi Leonard
SF   Luol Deng
PF   Ryan Anderson
PF   Nikola Mirotic
C   Kevin Love
C   John Henson
Util   Blake Griffin
BENCH   Mo Williams
BENCH   Manu Ginobili
BENCH   Bismack Biyombo
BENCH   PICK 21
BENCH   Iman Shumpert
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 21, 2015, 08:44:26 AM
eja..sitting at 25 in this draft....considering giving tentative promises to RJ Hunter and/or Jordan Mickey
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 21, 2015, 09:20:11 AM
eja..sitting at 25 in this draft....considering giving tentative promises to RJ Hunter and/or Jordan Mickey

Chaz Buick has reported that both have earlier promises.  Better trade up!  I have acquired 21, which is available.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 21, 2015, 09:42:55 AM
Im looking to move my 2016 pick for a SG/SF. 

Criteria im looking for

Under the age of 30
30+ ppg
60+GP each of the last two years. 


Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 21, 2015, 09:56:42 AM
eja..sitting at 25 in this draft....considering giving tentative promises to RJ Hunter and/or Jordan Mickey

Chaz Buick has reported that both have earlier promises.  Better trade up!  I have acquired 21, which is available.

I have the 5 & 6th pick and have given promises to both.

Please note: nothing in this post is factually correct.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on July 21, 2015, 10:27:32 AM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2635358484_bc8765a730.jpg)

Assets Status
(Tuesday July 21st, 2015)

Nope
Elfrid Payton
Marcus Smart
Dennis Schröder
Andre Drummond
Gordon Hayward
Rudy Gobert
Nikola Jokic

Current Binkies
Robert Covington
Cory Joseph
Archie Goodwin
Walter Tavares
Mike Muscala

Listening With Half An Ear
Lance Stephenson
Kelly "Goon Squad" Olynyk
Greivis Vasquez
Will Barton

Wait-n-See
Thanasis Antetokounmpo
James Ennis
     
2015 Draft Picks
none

2016 Draft Picks
UF #1 (projected #12 based on 2014 finish)


Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 21, 2015, 10:36:44 AM
eja..sitting at 25 in this draft....considering giving tentative promises to RJ Hunter and/or Jordan Mickey

Chaz Buick has reported that both have earlier promises.  Better trade up!  I have acquired 21, which is available.
Oh I hope he's right
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: ChampKind on July 21, 2015, 11:47:54 AM
Lou Williams Tor - PG,SG
Kyle Lowry Tor - PG
Kemba Walker Cha - PG,SG
Randy Foye Den - PG,SG
Paul Pierce Was - SF,PF
Giannis Antetokounmpo Mil - SG,SF,PF
Nene Hilario Was - PF,C
Dwight Howard Hou - PF,C
Channing Frye Orl - PF,C
Meyers Leonard Por - PF,C
Marcin Gortat Was - C
Larry Sanders Mil - PF,C
Joakim Noah Chi - PF,C
Bruno Caboclo Tor - SF
Spencer Hawes LAC - PF,C
Nikola Pekovic Min - C

#11, #31, and #37 as well

The price tag on Giannis is going to be huge, and I'm higher on Bruno than I reasonably should be, but everyone else is available. Particularly looking to move PF/Cs for little guys.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 21, 2015, 01:29:56 PM
After seeing what Champ said about Giannis it got me thinking about milwaukees starting 5

MCW - 6 foot 6
Khris Middleton - 6 foot 7
Giannis - 6 foot 11
Jabari Parker - 6 foot 8
Greg monro - 6 foot 11


Average height just a fraction under 6 foot 9
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on July 21, 2015, 06:20:18 PM
Had lot of GMs ask bout my picks..as of now, Im keeping both my 2016 1st and 2nd round picks...Also Im keeping my 2015 6th, 8th, 12th for sure unless Im blown away..my 14th, 16th and 34th picks can be had but may use them to move up in the draft..also I got these players that can be had:
Amare Stoudamire
Boris Diaw
Matt Barnes
Henry Walker
Omri Casspi
Alan Anderson
Marco Bellinelli
Patrick Beverly
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 21, 2015, 08:09:22 PM
Had lot of GMs ask bout my picks..as of now, Im keeping both my 2016 1st and 2nd round picks...Also Im keeping my 2015 6th, 8th, 12th for sure unless Im blown away..my 14th, 16th and 34th picks can be had but may use them to move up in the draft..also I got these players that can be had:
Amare Stoudamire
Boris Diaw
Matt Barnes
Henry Walker
Omri Casspi
Alan Anderson
Marco Bellinelli
Patrick Beverly

Maybe I'm slow, and you know I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this, but who the HECK is Henry walker ?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 21, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
Had lot of GMs ask bout my picks..as of now, Im keeping both my 2016 1st and 2nd round picks...Also Im keeping my 2015 6th, 8th, 12th for sure unless Im blown away..my 14th, 16th and 34th picks can be had but may use them to move up in the draft..also I got these players that can be had:
Amare Stoudamire
Boris Diaw
Matt Barnes
Henry Walker
Omri Casspi
Alan Anderson
Marco Bellinelli
Patrick Beverly

Maybe I'm slow, and you know I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this, but who the HECK is Henry walker ?

Holy Jesus that's bill walker as in Kansas st celtics bill walker?  He is still in the league?  Pardon me while I drink 15 beers
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 21, 2015, 08:48:30 PM
Had lot of GMs ask bout my picks..as of now, Im keeping both my 2016 1st and 2nd round picks...Also Im keeping my 2015 6th, 8th, 12th for sure unless Im blown away..my 14th, 16th and 34th picks can be had but may use them to move up in the draft..also I got these players that can be had:
Amare Stoudamire
Boris Diaw
Matt Barnes
Henry Walker
Omri Casspi
Alan Anderson
Marco Bellinelli
Patrick Beverly

Maybe I'm slow, and you know I'm not trying to be a jerk when I say this, but who the HECK is Henry walker ?

Holy Jesus that's bill walker as in Kansas st celtics bill walker?  He is still in the league?  Pardon me while I drink 15 beers

Yeah, it's really weird. I've seen guys change their names before, but not from something mundane like Bill to something else mundane like Henry. And on top of it, a scrub who was out of the league for a while. Maybe he changed his name to make people think he wasn't the same guy so he could get another shot at the NBA.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 21, 2015, 09:00:29 PM
Agent of the year right there. Go sign a contract in China for 3 years. Change name. Come back. Get more chances. Something like that
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 22, 2015, 05:31:39 PM
Available:  Cole Aldrich (the rich man's Biyombo)

(http://i.imgur.com/y61rWn4.jpg)

Cole Aldrich, the former #11 pick, averaged 19.44fp in 16mpg last season.  His FP per minute average was 1.21.   If you take every player in the league under the age of 27 who received at least 15mpg and sort them by fantasy average, Cole was actually 13th... tied with John Wall and right behind Greg Monroe, Brook Lopez and Rudy Gobert.   

Per-36 stats:  12.5 points, 12.5 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 2.4 blocks, 1.4 steals

He's with the Clippers this year.  I don't know what kind of minutes he'll get next season unless DeAndre Jordan gets hurt, but he's an interesting player and projects to be the main back-up at center now that Spencer Hawes is in Charlotte.

Article about what his role may be:  http://clipperholics.com/2015/07/11/could-cole-aldrich-be-the-clippers-missing-piece/

I'll listen to all offers, but I'm mainly just looking to get a 2nd rounder this year or next for him.   
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 22, 2015, 06:22:09 PM
(http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/noooo-1437151272.gif)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 22, 2015, 06:29:00 PM
(http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/noooo-1437151272.gif)

Heh.  I was going to list out all 430 players who had a lower average fantasy score than Cole Aldrich this year, but eja117 kind of beat me to the punch with his post a couple days ago... so here's a list of some of the players that Cole had a similar per minute fantasy score to:

(http://i.imgur.com/FO75aX6.png)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 22, 2015, 06:50:30 PM
I would appreciate it if you put the actual minutes next to those guys
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 22, 2015, 07:32:14 PM
I would appreciate it if you put the actual minutes next to those guys
(http://i.imgur.com/kTr6YH0.png)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 22, 2015, 07:34:18 PM
Wow. A couple of those guys played less than I thought
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 22, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
So basically what you are saying is,  Aldrich is less productive and plays less minutes than good players and he is entering into an uncertain role.  And you will take a second rounder which generally isn't worth that much for him.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 22, 2015, 08:10:12 PM
So basically what you are saying is,  Aldrich is less productive and plays less minutes than good players and he is entering into an uncertain role.  And you will take a second rounder which generally isn't worth that much for him.
Sure.  I'm saying that he's a young player coming off a break-out season in which his per-minute averages were  12.5 points, 12.5 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 2.4 blocks, 1.4 steals and his fantasy points per minute (1.21) was better than 430 players in the league.   He's available if someone wants to take a chance on him.  Certainly have seen lesser players go for more than I'm asking.  I don't know what kind of role he'll have on the Clippers.  Seems if nobody gets injured he might just absorb Spencer Hawes' 17.5mpg off the bench.... 17.5x1.21 = 21.2fp... not that exciting, but who knows what can happen over the course of the season.  Cole was taken 11th... I'm not asking for a lotto pick.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 22, 2015, 08:22:20 PM
So basically what you are saying is,  Aldrich is less productive and plays less minutes than good players and he is entering into an uncertain role.  And you will take a second rounder which generally isn't worth that much for him.
Sure.  I'm saying that he's a young player coming off a break-out season in which his per-minute averages were  12.5 points, 12.5 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 2.4 blocks, 1.4 steals and his fantasy points per minute (1.21) was better than 430 players in the league.   He's available if someone wants to take a chance on him.  Certainly have seen lesser players go for more than I'm asking.  I don't know what kind of role he'll have on the Clippers.  Seems if nobody gets injured he might just absorb Spencer Hawes' 17.5mpg off the bench.... 17.5x1.21 = 21.2fp... not that exciting, but who knows what can happen over the course of the season.  Cole was taken 11th... I'm not asking for a lotto pick.

Yup I know I just wanted to see if I could make your point without comparing him to john wall and Russell Westbrook
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 22, 2015, 10:21:41 PM
So basically what you are saying is,  Aldrich is less productive and plays less minutes than good players and he is entering into an uncertain role.  And you will take a second rounder which generally isn't worth that much for him.
Sure.  I'm saying that he's a young player coming off a break-out season in which his per-minute averages were  12.5 points, 12.5 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 2.4 blocks, 1.4 steals and his fantasy points per minute (1.21) was better than 430 players in the league.   He's available if someone wants to take a chance on him.  Certainly have seen lesser players go for more than I'm asking.  I don't know what kind of role he'll have on the Clippers.  Seems if nobody gets injured he might just absorb Spencer Hawes' 17.5mpg off the bench.... 17.5x1.21 = 21.2fp... not that exciting, but who knows what can happen over the course of the season.  Cole was taken 11th... I'm not asking for a lotto pick.
Out of curiosity who are the lesser players that went for more? I'll try to look at the list.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 22, 2015, 10:28:14 PM
yeah check the trade log
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 22, 2015, 10:48:53 PM
yeah check the trade log
Ok, it's just that you're the one that made the claim. I've looked and this year there's not really anything sticking out to me
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 22, 2015, 11:04:02 PM
yeah check the trade log
Ok, it's just that you're the one that made the claim. I've looked and this year there's not really anything sticking out to me
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Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 23, 2015, 08:05:52 AM
I missed an Andrei Kirilenko trade?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 23, 2015, 09:02:05 AM
I would appreciate it if you put the actual minutes next to those guys
(http://i.imgur.com/kTr6YH0.png)


6 of the guys on that list are on my team.  Is that a good thing?  John Henson and his 1.13 pts per min is available....
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 23, 2015, 10:59:34 AM
At the risk of being a .... ninny? party pooper? buzzkill? pain in the rozier? etc.....

I'll remind folks that on some level the pimping of relatively minor players and the escalating back-and-forth over selective stat samples led (eventually and with other factors to be sure) to some pretty bad behavior and the last thread being locked.

My point: Maybe we can make new habits? Maybe we can tread more lightly and/or just say something like "Player X is available. Did you know he had more ___ than ___ other players?" and leave it at that.

The league, IMO, is more important than any single team's needs.

----

But hey.... Jose Calderon is back to full health!!! who want's 'em?  8)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 23, 2015, 12:07:41 PM
I agree.  It seems the main purpose of having a thread is to update on latest news, list latest trades and act as a trading block.  The rabble rousing every time someone makes a player available is unnecessary. If you don't like a player, you don't have to say something about it.  If you do, feel free to make an offer privately.  But the behavior has submarined threads in the past and it's not healthy. 

Also I'd say the majority of the time, the person making the negative public comments is privately trying to acquire the player... So there's a bit of gamesmanship involved usually...  Trash the guy you want publicly to try to drive down the price.   But obviously it's caused larger problems in the past so it should come to an end.

I'll fully admit I was guilty of this in the past.  Eja had made Chandler Parsons available.  I publicly made comments about his injury, because I wanted Chandler Parsons.   It was gamesmanship.   I get the gamemanship aspect, but in light of what's happened, it should probably end.  It just forces the GM to go into defensive mode to salvage the public value of his player... and that causes a domino effect. 
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Kwhit10 on July 23, 2015, 12:35:16 PM
If anyone wants to stock up on 2016 picks, I am making available my 2016 1st &  2nd picks.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 23, 2015, 12:43:42 PM
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Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 23, 2015, 12:46:43 PM
(http://www.rantsports.com/nba/files/2015/04/Tarik-Black.jpg)

Tarik Black is available. Did you know...

-He was a rookie last season and is 23 years old
-In 39 games as a starter he averaged 7.2 points, 6.9 rebounds on 57% shooting in 22.4mpg
-Over the final month of the season he averaged 11 points, 7.7 rebounds with 70% shooting in 24.8mpg (27.38fp)
-He was a top 10 rookie last season in fantasy average

Full season rookie rankings (Black is 10th): 

(http://i.imgur.com/RMYRzYM.png)

Last month of the season rookie rankings (Black is 7th):

(http://i.imgur.com/HfxLW1U.png)

Mostly interested in picks. 

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 23, 2015, 01:28:11 PM
What are the chances of having the offseason tracking spreadsheet updated?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 23, 2015, 02:05:42 PM
What are the chances of having the offseason tracking spreadsheet updated?
Ping byennie.  He might be on vacation or something.  I know there's 5 small trades of my own that haven't been added yet.  He probably likes to just get a bunch of them done at once.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 23, 2015, 03:33:32 PM
What are the chances of having the offseason tracking spreadsheet updated?
Ping byennie.  He might be on vacation or something.  I know there's 5 small trades of my own that haven't been added yet.  He probably likes to just get a bunch of them done at once.
I have pinged byennie. He is requesting the weekend and expressing minor frustration with the general conduct of the league.

I think maybe we need to consider a rule limiting teams to like one trade a week in the offseason. Like, submit them on Fri nite. Watch them post over the weekend.  Because the amount of work that was thrown at byennie this off season was epic
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 23, 2015, 03:37:17 PM
I have hurled a tommy point in the direction of our fearless leader
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: byennie on July 23, 2015, 03:38:06 PM
Hi guys,

The spreadsheet will be updated this weekend. Honestly, it was not a great time dealing with the fallout from the last thread that got locked on here. Among other things, it was necessary to preserve our league's reputation on CBlog. I'm glad to see this thread relatively calm.

I'm also pondering some ideas for adding a little more structure to the offseason, and separating official business from wide open threads. TBD, feel free to PM me with ideas.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: 33-00-32 on July 23, 2015, 03:58:23 PM
Hi guys,

The spreadsheet will be updated this weekend. Honestly, it was not a great time dealing with the fallout from the last thread that got locked on here. Among other things, it was necessary to preserve our league's reputation on CBlog. I'm glad to see this thread relatively calm.

I'm also pondering some ideas for adding a little more structure to the offseason, and separating official business from wide open threads. TBD, feel free to PM me with ideas.
TP given, will try to remember to do so more often. Your efforts are appreciated.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 23, 2015, 04:21:27 PM
I would not have wanted to be explaining myself to the mods on THAt thread.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 23, 2015, 04:31:31 PM
I would not have wanted to be explaining myself to the mods on THAt thread.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/61758597223a6d879c54a92c0dcad73b/tumblr_meyf97ODwS1rjcxpoo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 25, 2015, 12:12:30 PM
any progress on a new GM?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 25, 2015, 01:56:34 PM
There were a few CB members who created a thread last month actively looking to join fantasy leagues.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 25, 2015, 02:44:23 PM
I've got a guy that wants to join as I mentioned earlier this offseason as well as during the season as a replacement for fitz
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 25, 2015, 03:55:19 PM
I agree with the earlier suggestion that we keep it to members of celticsblog.   I have a friend who would love to join too, but can you imagine the reaction if he took over and traded me john wall?  Even if it was the best offer he got, it wouldn't go over well.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 25, 2015, 03:59:50 PM
I agree with the earlier suggestion that we keep it to members of celticsblog.   I have a friend who would love to join too, but can you imagine the reaction if he took over and traded me john wall?  Even if it was the best offer he got, it wouldn't go over well.
Yes. I can imagine. It's not a pleasant thing to imagine.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 25, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
The decision is obvs byennie's and I'm sure he'll make it when he's ready (prob in the lead up to the draft).

I think It was clear from his earlier comments that byennie was in favor of letting things settle down after the previous nonsense.

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 25, 2015, 04:55:48 PM
I agree with the earlier suggestion that we keep it to members of celticsblog.   I have a friend who would love to join too, but can you imagine the reaction if he took over and traded me john wall?  Even if it was the best offer he got, it wouldn't go over well.

If it will be an issue.  I won't trade with him.  Though we had people I'm pretty sure we're colluding last year with members on Celtics blog
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 25, 2015, 05:25:09 PM
I have heard from BFM who has a fair point that he should not have been kicked out of celticsblog or the PTS league when his infractions were lesser than or equal to others involved. He has not voluntarily left the league and does not understand why he has to be removed. He was told he cannot be part of the PTS league if he is banned from celticsblog, YET, Pittsburgh Pisces has been, and still is, a big part of the PTS league and refused to join celticsblog, so there is some clear bias/hypocracy going on here.

I am in favor of holding off from deciding on a replacement GM until this issue is explained and resolved fully. BFM was not even close to the main cause of the troubles that resulted in this action. Reportedly Byennie was intimidated into kicking BFM out by a forum moderator who has a personal history with BFM and was likely glad to get rid of him. However, forum moderators who are not part of the league should not tell us how to run our league.

We need an explanation of the following:

1) Why was BFM kicked out the league with no warning, while other offenders of equal or greater level, with their own past history of being warned, were not?

2) The supposed rule that have to be a member of celticsblog to be part of the PTS league, this was never a rule in the constitution, and was never voted on by any of us. IF we assume this rule is valid, then we have to kick out Pitt or have him join celticsblog.

Instead of glossing over this latest issue, which only reflects an ongoing pattern of a number of GMs here and external people, we have to come to terms with the fact that we are at a critical juncture of this league, and have to set some clear rules about this issue going forward, that are EQUALLY applied to all participants. The fact is, BFM made some disgusting posts and personal messages, but a number of other GMs have also repeatedly done the same thing in these forums and in the Yahoo forums , which originally caused the former commish to mentally check out and then quit. If we don't admit this , and address it fully, this league will be over soon. Selectively throwing one GM under the bus and calling it a day doesnt equal a solution.


No disrespect to the commish, but rules have to follow the league constitution, which we all vote and approve. Any ammendments of any sort have to be proposed and voted on 1 year in advance before they can be put into action. This is why I think we need a clear explanation of these actions, so that we can propose and set new rules in the future on treating each other with respect, and being active in the league, as requirements for staying in the league. Once this is set, we can set clear consequences for all members who violate these rules.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 25, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
MMSb's 2016 2nd is available
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 25, 2015, 06:55:52 PM
MMSb's 2016 2nd is available

Appropriate
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 25, 2015, 07:13:38 PM
#39 pick is available for a 2016 2nd.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 25, 2015, 08:06:34 PM
I have heard from BFM who has a fair point that he should not have been kicked out of celticsblog or the PTS league when his infractions were lesser than or equal to others involved. He has not voluntarily left the league and does not understand why he has to be removed. He was told he cannot be part of the PTS league if he is banned from celticsblog, YET, Pittsburgh Pisces has been, and still is, a big part of the PTS league and refused to join celticsblog, so there is some clear bias/hypocracy going on here.

I am in favor of holding off from deciding on a replacement GM until this issue is explained and resolved fully. BFM was not even close to the main cause of the troubles that resulted in this action. Reportedly Byennie was intimidated into kicking BFM out by a forum moderator who has a personal history with BFM and was likely glad to get rid of him. However, forum moderators who are not part of the league should not tell us how to run our league.

We need an explanation of the following:

1) Why was BFM kicked out the league with no warning, while other offenders of equal or greater level, with their own past history of being warned, were not?

2) The supposed rule that have to be a member of celticsblog to be part of the PTS league, this was never a rule in the constitution, and was never voted on by any of us. IF we assume this rule is valid, then we have to kick out Pitt or have him join celticsblog.

Instead of glossing over this latest issue, which only reflects an ongoing pattern of a number of GMs here and external people, we have to come to terms with the fact that we are at a critical juncture of this league, and have to set some clear rules about this issue going forward, that are EQUALLY applied to all participants. The fact is, BFM made some disgusting posts and personal messages, but a number of other GMs have also repeatedly done the same thing in these forums and in the Yahoo forums , which originally caused the former commish to mentally check out and then quit. If we don't admit this , and address it fully, this league will be over soon. Selectively throwing one GM under the bus and calling it a day doesnt equal a solution.


No disrespect to the commish, but rules have to follow the league constitution, which we all vote and approve. Any ammendments of any sort have to be proposed and voted on 1 year in advance before they can be put into action. This is why I think we need a clear explanation of these actions, so that we can propose and set new rules in the future on treating each other with respect, and being active in the league, as requirements for staying in the league. Once this is set, we can set clear consequences for all members who violate these rules.
as of now I completely stand by byennie and his decision.

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Roy H. on July 25, 2015, 08:29:12 PM
I have heard from BFM who has a fair point that he should not have been kicked out of celticsblog or the PTS league when his infractions were lesser than or equal to others involved. He has not voluntarily left the league and does not understand why he has to be removed. He was told he cannot be part of the PTS league if he is banned from celticsblog, YET, Pittsburgh Pisces has been, and still is, a big part of the PTS league and refused to join celticsblog, so there is some clear bias/hypocracy going on here.

I am in favor of holding off from deciding on a replacement GM until this issue is explained and resolved fully. BFM was not even close to the main cause of the troubles that resulted in this action. Reportedly Byennie was intimidated into kicking BFM out by a forum moderator who has a personal history with BFM and was likely glad to get rid of him. However, forum moderators who are not part of the league should not tell us how to run our league.

We need an explanation of the following:

1) Why was BFM kicked out the league with no warning, while other offenders of equal or greater level, with their own past history of being warned, were not?

2) The supposed rule that have to be a member of celticsblog to be part of the PTS league, this was never a rule in the constitution, and was never voted on by any of us. IF we assume this rule is valid, then we have to kick out Pitt or have him join celticsblog.

Instead of glossing over this latest issue, which only reflects an ongoing pattern of a number of GMs here and external people, we have to come to terms with the fact that we are at a critical juncture of this league, and have to set some clear rules about this issue going forward, that are EQUALLY applied to all participants. The fact is, BFM made some disgusting posts and personal messages, but a number of other GMs have also repeatedly done the same thing in these forums and in the Yahoo forums , which originally caused the former commish to mentally check out and then quit. If we don't admit this , and address it fully, this league will be over soon. Selectively throwing one GM under the bus and calling it a day doesnt equal a solution.


No disrespect to the commish, but rules have to follow the league constitution, which we all vote and approve. Any ammendments of any sort have to be proposed and voted on 1 year in advance before they can be put into action. This is why I think we need a clear explanation of these actions, so that we can propose and set new rules in the future on treating each other with respect, and being active in the league, as requirements for staying in the league. Once this is set, we can set clear consequences for all members who violate these rules.

On CelticsBlog, BFM's actions were by far the most egregious. Also, this wasn't a first offense for him.  The ban was unanimous by the staff, and is permanent.

BFM has caused major trouble in the points league, the H2H league, and CelticsBlog.   You guys can resolve league issues as you want, but if the league is going to remain hosted in part on CelticsBlog, we can't have nonsense like the other week.  Read back through BFM's posts and tell me that his behavior was respectful and consistent with CB standards.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 25, 2015, 08:50:01 PM
MMSb's 2016 2nd is available
I got an offer for that
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 25, 2015, 09:02:40 PM
I have heard from BFM who has a fair point that he should not have been kicked out of celticsblog or the PTS league when his infractions were lesser than or equal to others involved. He has not voluntarily left the league and does not understand why he has to be removed. He was told he cannot be part of the PTS league if he is banned from celticsblog, YET, Pittsburgh Pisces has been, and still is, a big part of the PTS league and refused to join celticsblog, so there is some clear bias/hypocracy going on here.

I am in favor of holding off from deciding on a replacement GM until this issue is explained and resolved fully. BFM was not even close to the main cause of the troubles that resulted in this action. Reportedly Byennie was intimidated into kicking BFM out by a forum moderator who has a personal history with BFM and was likely glad to get rid of him. However, forum moderators who are not part of the league should not tell us how to run our league.

We need an explanation of the following:

1) Why was BFM kicked out the league with no warning, while other offenders of equal or greater level, with their own past history of being warned, were not?

2) The supposed rule that have to be a member of celticsblog to be part of the PTS league, this was never a rule in the constitution, and was never voted on by any of us. IF we assume this rule is valid, then we have to kick out Pitt or have him join celticsblog.

Instead of glossing over this latest issue, which only reflects an ongoing pattern of a number of GMs here and external people, we have to come to terms with the fact that we are at a critical juncture of this league, and have to set some clear rules about this issue going forward, that are EQUALLY applied to all participants. The fact is, BFM made some disgusting posts and personal messages, but a number of other GMs have also repeatedly done the same thing in these forums and in the Yahoo forums , which originally caused the former commish to mentally check out and then quit. If we don't admit this , and address it fully, this league will be over soon. Selectively throwing one GM under the bus and calling it a day doesnt equal a solution.


No disrespect to the commish, but rules have to follow the league constitution, which we all vote and approve. Any ammendments of any sort have to be proposed and voted on 1 year in advance before they can be put into action. This is why I think we need a clear explanation of these actions, so that we can propose and set new rules in the future on treating each other with respect, and being active in the league, as requirements for staying in the league. Once this is set, we can set clear consequences for all members who violate these rules.

On CelticsBlog, BFM's actions were by far the most egregious. Also, this wasn't a first offense for him.  The ban was unanimous by the staff, and is permanent.

BFM has caused major trouble in the points league, the H2H league, and CelticsBlog.   You guys can resolve league issues as you want, but if the league is going to remain hosted in part on CelticsBlog, we can't have nonsense like the other week.  Read back through BFM's posts and tell me that his behavior was respectful and consistent with CB standards.

Roy, you are completely right to ban BFM from the forums here, his behavior consistently violated a number of rules. I am not arguing against his dismissal from celticsblog. I am arguing about his dismissal from the league when others have displayed equally offensive behavior, even to the point of threatening to go to other GMs houses to physically beat them, and are still in the league. He was not the only one, not this time and certainly not in the past several times. This is a long term league problem, and I think we need to amend the league constitution to prevent this from happening here and in the yahoo forums or else the league will eventually shut down. Even though BFM is gone, this stuff pops up again every season at some point in the yahoo forums where it gets much more out of hand than it did here, and many people are guilty of it.

I will list just a few people that have gotten caught up in and participated in such attacks over the last few seasons:

BFM
Eja
myself (hpantazo)
LB33
Rondo
Champkind
Pitt
Roy in the H2H league

Not many of us are blameless.

Let's vote on amendments to prevent it across the board. As the league constitution stands, there is no rule that people have to be part of celticsblog to be part of the league. It is of course understandable not to have people who violate forum rules post here, but that does not mean they cannot participate in the league, as Pitt has done for many years and still does. Kicking BFM out of the league while other violators go unpunished sets a poor precedence regarding issues that have occurred several times, and a number of times did not even involve BFM. Let's set new, clear, well stated rules that will keep everyone up to at least normal standards of respect here and in the yahoo league forum.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on July 25, 2015, 09:34:02 PM
On another note, cant wait for the draft!!!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 25, 2015, 09:46:44 PM
On another note, cant wait for the draft!!!
i wish I could say that I might surprise people with the top pick, but summer league convinced me towns is by far the best prospect.  A couple guys are pretty intriguing though.

Brahma is going to be really interesting with picks 2, 3 and 4.  I bet mudiay goes higher in our draft than the real one.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: byennie on July 25, 2015, 09:49:47 PM
On BFM:

Many people behaved badly, but he was not singled out. Nobody else was banned from CBlog, and this is a CBlog based league. I'm not going to grade every infraction on a relative scale or dole out a progressive warning system. Folks who got CBlog warnings or lesser suspensions are simply closer to suffering the same fate, if they get kicked off this site in the future.

I am open to clarifying this in the league constitution, but my stance as commissioner is that getting kicked off of CBlog results in an automatic dismissal from the league. Pitt's infraction pre-dates my involvement, so I'm not going to retroactively remove him.

It takes a lot to get permanently banned from these forums. You should probably expect to not belong to a CelticsBlog league if you manage to do so. Honestly, if we need to keep people that behave that badly, then I'm out.

I'll be starting some new threads to help get things more organized, and updating the trade log. After that, I will look into the new GM candidates and we can start talking draft dates and any other orders of business...
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 25, 2015, 09:57:44 PM
On BFM:

Many people behaved badly, but he was not singled out. Nobody else was banned from CBlog, and this is a CBlog based league. I'm not going to grade every infraction on a relative scale or dole out a progressive warning system. Folks who got CBlog warnings or lesser suspensions are simply closer to suffering the same fate, if they get kicked off this site in the future.

I am open to clarifying this in the league constitution, but my stance as commissioner is that getting kicked off of CBlog results in an automatic dismissal from the league. Pitt's infraction pre-dates my involvement, so I'm not going to retroactively remove him.

It takes a lot to get permanently banned from these forums. You should probably expect to not belong to a CelticsBlog league if you manage to do so. Honestly, if we need to keep people that behave that badly, then I'm out.

I'll be starting some new threads to help get things more organized, and updating the trade log. After that, I will look into the new GM candidates and we can start talking draft dates and any other orders of business...

With all due respect, you do not have any authority to change the league constitution without league vote. That is how the league has always worked. The commish is more like the U.S. president working with congress than a czar. I think we need the league constitution changed to be able to enforce such issues, so we should propose some amendments for this. But again, there is no such rule that if you are not on celticsblog you can't be in the league, and you do not have the authority to change that without a vote. You also did this when you allowed trading of draft picks for the following season earlier than the draft, and opening up the offseason early, which I didn't speak up about for selfish reasons, but that is against league policy. We typically had such votes for future rule changes occur a year in advance and take effect the following season, but with enough votes exceptions to that timeline have happened. Not trying to be contradictory , just trying to help out and adhere to the policies we have used for many years.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 25, 2015, 10:08:03 PM
On BFM:

Many people behaved badly, but he was not singled out. Nobody else was banned from CBlog, and this is a CBlog based league. I'm not going to grade every infraction on a relative scale or dole out a progressive warning system. Folks who got CBlog warnings or lesser suspensions are simply closer to suffering the same fate, if they get kicked off this site in the future.

I am open to clarifying this in the league constitution, but my stance as commissioner is that getting kicked off of CBlog results in an automatic dismissal from the league. Pitt's infraction pre-dates my involvement, so I'm not going to retroactively remove him.

It takes a lot to get permanently banned from these forums. You should probably expect to not belong to a CelticsBlog league if you manage to do so. Honestly, if we need to keep people that behave that badly, then I'm out.

I'll be starting some new threads to help get things more organized, and updating the trade log. After that, I will look into the new GM candidates and we can start talking draft dates and any other orders of business...

With all due respect, you do not have any authority to change the league constitution without league vote. That is how the league has always worked. The commish is more like the U.S. president working with congress than a czar. I think we need the league constitution changed to be able to enforce such issues, so we should propose some amendments for this. But again, there is no such rule that if you are not on celticsblog you can't be in the league, and you do not have the authority to change that without a vote. You also did this when you allowed trading of draft picks for the following season earlier than the draft, and opening up the offseason early, which I didn't speak up about for selfish reasons, but that is against league policy. We typically had such votes for future rule changes occur a year in advance and take effect the following season, but with enough votes exceptions to that timeline have happened. Not trying to be contradictory , just trying to help out and adhere to the policies we have used for many years.
I don't get what you're saying here at all. You immediately started trading as soon as byennie said we could and now you're saying we shouldn't have done that?

I suppose it's true that the president needs to work with Congress, but every once in a long while some congress member somewhere breaks laws and has to go to jail and when that happens the president doesn't have to deal with that senator any more.

Are you suggesting that BFM's public behavior was somehow within the scope of our constitution? Maybe when he gets out of jail he can run for congress again.

I've never seen behavior similar to that. It's nothing borderline similar to bickering or arguing or disagreeing or even accusing.  I was beside myself reading that stuff.  It left me speechless and as you all know eja becoming speechless is the 7th sign of the apocalypse.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: byennie on July 25, 2015, 10:18:50 PM
I'm happy to have a civil discussion around BFM. If the majority of GMs want him to stay, I'll listen. However, I'm under the impression that is overwhelmingly not the case.

That said:

1) The idea that the commissioner can't kick someone out unless he can cite a clause in the constitution is not going to fly. I'm sure we can all imagine 100 different things that obviously warrant removal that aren't in there. You can remove me, if necessary. That's the recourse for something like this. If we have a majority of GMs that think BFM deserves to stay, then honestly, I wouldn't want to be a part of this league.

2) I just caught this bit, but I was in no way "intimidated" by a CBlog admin. I strictly got information about CBlog bans so that I could assess the situation. End of story. Anything else is imagined to spread the blame.

3) Behavior like what occurred can and would eventually get the whole league kicked off of here, and deservedly so. I'd like to preserve our place on this forum.

That's about it. If anyone wants to propose some specific step, I'll consider it as always, but I don't see a whole lot of leeway here.

As for the other rules cited, let's address any concerns you have separately. Lumping it with the BFM situation is unwieldy.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 25, 2015, 10:23:46 PM
On BFM:

Many people behaved badly, but he was not singled out. Nobody else was banned from CBlog, and this is a CBlog based league. I'm not going to grade every infraction on a relative scale or dole out a progressive warning system. Folks who got CBlog warnings or lesser suspensions are simply closer to suffering the same fate, if they get kicked off this site in the future.

I am open to clarifying this in the league constitution, but my stance as commissioner is that getting kicked off of CBlog results in an automatic dismissal from the league. Pitt's infraction pre-dates my involvement, so I'm not going to retroactively remove him.

It takes a lot to get permanently banned from these forums. You should probably expect to not belong to a CelticsBlog league if you manage to do so. Honestly, if we need to keep people that behave that badly, then I'm out.

I'll be starting some new threads to help get things more organized, and updating the trade log. After that, I will look into the new GM candidates and we can start talking draft dates and any other orders of business...

With all due respect, you do not have any authority to change the league constitution without league vote. That is how the league has always worked. The commish is more like the U.S. president working with congress than a czar. I think we need the league constitution changed to be able to enforce such issues, so we should propose some amendments for this. But again, there is no such rule that if you are not on celticsblog you can't be in the league, and you do not have the authority to change that without a vote. You also did this when you allowed trading of draft picks for the following season earlier than the draft, and opening up the offseason early, which I didn't speak up about for selfish reasons, but that is against league policy. We typically had such votes for future rule changes occur a year in advance and take effect the following season, but with enough votes exceptions to that timeline have happened. Not trying to be contradictory , just trying to help out and adhere to the policies we have used for many years.
I don't get what you're saying here at all. You immediately started trading as soon as byennie said we could and now you're saying we shouldn't have done that?

I suppose it's true that the president needs to work with Congress, but every once in a long while some congress member somewhere breaks laws and has to go to jail and when that happens the president doesn't have to deal with that senator any more.

Are you suggesting that BFM's public behavior was somehow within the scope of our constitution? Maybe when he gets out of jail he can run for congress again.

I've never seen behavior similar to that. It's nothing borderline similar to bickering or arguing or disagreeing or even accusing.  I was beside myself reading that stuff.  It left me speechless and as you all know eja becoming speechless is the 7th sign of the apocalypse.

Come on Eja, you have been in the league long enough to know we don't change rules without league votes. Did I ask fro BFM to be re-instated? No. I asked for clarification of the rules that were used to oust him, and to propose ammedments to stop further such behavior which you and I and others have also participated in during the past, unless you blocked out the memories of the countless yahoo forum flame wars that you participated in which were equally bad to what BFM just got banned for.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 25, 2015, 10:35:31 PM
On BFM:

Many people behaved badly, but he was not singled out. Nobody else was banned from CBlog, and this is a CBlog based league. I'm not going to grade every infraction on a relative scale or dole out a progressive warning system. Folks who got CBlog warnings or lesser suspensions are simply closer to suffering the same fate, if they get kicked off this site in the future.

I am open to clarifying this in the league constitution, but my stance as commissioner is that getting kicked off of CBlog results in an automatic dismissal from the league. Pitt's infraction pre-dates my involvement, so I'm not going to retroactively remove him.

It takes a lot to get permanently banned from these forums. You should probably expect to not belong to a CelticsBlog league if you manage to do so. Honestly, if we need to keep people that behave that badly, then I'm out.

I'll be starting some new threads to help get things more organized, and updating the trade log. After that, I will look into the new GM candidates and we can start talking draft dates and any other orders of business...

With all due respect, you do not have any authority to change the league constitution without league vote. That is how the league has always worked. The commish is more like the U.S. president working with congress than a czar. I think we need the league constitution changed to be able to enforce such issues, so we should propose some amendments for this. But again, there is no such rule that if you are not on celticsblog you can't be in the league, and you do not have the authority to change that without a vote. You also did this when you allowed trading of draft picks for the following season earlier than the draft, and opening up the offseason early, which I didn't speak up about for selfish reasons, but that is against league policy. We typically had such votes for future rule changes occur a year in advance and take effect the following season, but with enough votes exceptions to that timeline have happened. Not trying to be contradictory , just trying to help out and adhere to the policies we have used for many years.
I don't get what you're saying here at all. You immediately started trading as soon as byennie said we could and now you're saying we shouldn't have done that?

I suppose it's true that the president needs to work with Congress, but every once in a long while some congress member somewhere breaks laws and has to go to jail and when that happens the president doesn't have to deal with that senator any more.

Are you suggesting that BFM's public behavior was somehow within the scope of our constitution? Maybe when he gets out of jail he can run for congress again.

I've never seen behavior similar to that. It's nothing borderline similar to bickering or arguing or disagreeing or even accusing.  I was beside myself reading that stuff.  It left me speechless and as you all know eja becoming speechless is the 7th sign of the apocalypse.

Come on Eja, you have been in the league long enough to know we don't change rules without league votes. Did I ask fro BFM to be re-instated? No. I asked for clarification of the rules that were used to oust him, and to propose ammedments to stop further such behavior which you and I and others have also participated in during the past, unless you blocked out the memories of the countless yahoo forum flame wars that you participated in which were equally bad to what BFM just got banned for.
Waaaiiittt a second. Do I admit to various flame wars? heck yes. Were they on Yahoo? Heck yes. Is that on some level fundamentally different right there? yes. Was I shocked to see that stuff? Sadly no.  Did I think it rose to the level of previous stuff I have observed? No. Do I remember some flat out aggressive discussions? Heck yes. Do I remember exceptional derogatory language like that? No.

Constitutional clarification.....ok....let me clarify this...These are some circumstances under which we/our commissioner don't have to wait a year to ban someone after making a rule.

GM involves self in mass shooting or terrorist attack
GM hacks site and conducts various trades by self
GM breaks into byennies house
GM insists on denying the Holocaust in every post for no real reason
GM threatens to commit suicide if he doesn't get Anthony Davis for a 2nd rounder in a trade
GM declares himself a sovereign nation and that one must refer to him going forward as "Your majesty" or "your royal highness"
GM posts explicit **** on site....although maybe we should take a vote on that just to be sure
GM manages to send our sensitive information to the Russians
GM joins ISIS
GM does what BFM did.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 25, 2015, 10:45:19 PM
The discussion is not about who's offenses are worse, it's that this stuff always goes on every season. We need to make clear rules to stop it.

My other point is, there is no such rule that you have to be a celticsblog member to be part of the league. The commish can't refer to such rule as justification for kicking one person out and not others. If we want to make such a rule, it has to be proposed , and voted on. If you guys want such a rule, propose it and lets vote on it.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 25, 2015, 10:47:23 PM
I just want to comment specifically about offseason trading opening up early.  I know what Harry is referring to and its a little mixed up.

The constitution doesn't reference any specific day when offseason trades open up.  I may be wrong but it seems it was always at the commissioners discretion when he opened that up.  It usually opens once the offseason tracking sheet is set up.  Technically I think byennie could have had offseason trades open while the NBA playoffs were still going. It was his call.

What Harry is remembering is actually related to the trading of draft picks.  The constitution says you can't trade picks more than a year out. So technically we couldn't trade 2016 picks until the day of the actual 2015 NBA draft.   The thing is, we were only a couple weeks from the 2015 NBA draft and it didn't seem to make any difference whether we waited those two weeks or not.  A ton of us had already discussed a bunch of contingent deals (such as Harry and Kevin) that were obviously going to happen eventually... And since we were all anxious to just get some deals made, byennie said he'd allow the trading of 2016 picks a couple weeks early unless someone protested.  Since there was no reason to protest, none of us did. 

My assumption is that the commish has some power within reason.  That situation seemed to be handled fairly and appropriately.  I can't imagine anyone here cares that we could officially trade 2016 picks a couple weeks early.  That rule is in place as a sort of sepian rule that prevents poorly run teams from trading all their future draft picks and then bailing.  No harm came from it.  We can't trade 2017 picks right now for an obvious reason... But does anyone care if we can move 2017 picks as of June 12th 2016 vs June 25th 2016?   

Solution:  on that specific rule we can clarify the language about moving picks a year out.  Once offseason trading opens up, it makes sense that we could trade next years picks.   Offseason trading should still open up whenever the commish sets up the tracking sheet and opens up trades... Since it gets pretty boring here during the NBA offseason and it's a pretty fun way to pass time.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 25, 2015, 10:51:15 PM
The discussion is not about who's offenses are worse, it's that this stuff always goes on every season. We need to make clear rules to stop it.

My other point is, there is no such rule that you have to be a celticsblog member to be part of the league. The commish can't refer to such rule as justification for kicking one person out and not others. If we want to make such a rule, it has to be proposed , and voted on. If you guys want such a rule, propose it and lets vote on it.
I don't think anyone has any problem with proposing rules to stop it. Although I notice BFM has stopped.
You are absolutely right that you don't have to be a CB member to be in the league. I don't think the commish cited that as the justification.
Also there is a difference between not being in CB and having been kicked out of CB for what BFM did.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 25, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
The discussion is not about who's offenses are worse, it's that this stuff always goes on every season. We need to make clear rules to stop it.

My other point is, there is no such rule that you have to be a celticsblog member to be part of the league. The commish can't refer to such rule as justification for kicking one person out and not others. If we want to make such a rule, it has to be proposed , and voted on. If you guys want such a rule, propose it and lets vote on it.
I don't think anyone has any problem with proposing rules to stop it. Although I notice BFM has stopped.
You are absolutely right that you don't have to be a CB member to be in the league. I don't think the commish cited that as the justification.
Also there is a difference between not being in CB and having been kicked out of CB for what BFM did.


Yep, those are my two main points. If we propose and vote on amendments to stop such future behavior here and in yahoo, and clarify the insinuation that you can't be in the league if you are not on celticsblog, which byennie did state (see his earlier post in this thread), yet is not a rule, then I'm good. We need to follow the constitution, within reason as LB33 states, to make and amend rules. We can't just make them with no votes and the majority of the league not even present as we go. Honestly, only about 1/4 of the league has been around and participated in any way this offseason, and some may not even know that trading is open.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 25, 2015, 11:12:24 PM
The discussion is not about who's offenses are worse, it's that this stuff always goes on every season. We need to make clear rules to stop it.

My other point is, there is no such rule that you have to be a celticsblog member to be part of the league. The commish can't refer to such rule as justification for kicking one person out and not others. If we want to make such a rule, it has to be proposed , and voted on. If you guys want such a rule, propose it and lets vote on it.
I don't think anyone has any problem with proposing rules to stop it. Although I notice BFM has stopped.
You are absolutely right that you don't have to be a CB member to be in the league. I don't think the commish cited that as the justification.
Also there is a difference between not being in CB and having been kicked out of CB for what BFM did.


Yep, those are my two main points. If we propose and vote on amendments to stop such future behavior here and in yahoo, and clarify the insinuation that you can't be in the league if you are not on celticsblog, which byennie did state (see his earlier post in this thread), yet is not a rule, then I'm good. We need to follow the constitution, within reason as LB33 states, to make and amend rules. We can't just make them with no votes and the majority of the league not even present as we go. Honestly, only about 1/4 of the league has been around and participated in any way this offseason, and some may not even know that trading is open.
Trust me... They know offseason trading is open ;)

Edit:  Seriously, though I've had trade discussions with literally ever member of the league this offseason except for 1 GM, but he's been around.  There's a couple guys who don't seem to check the threads daily, but everyone is definitely around... And probably as active as they are in the regular season.  There's a couple guys who are harder to get ahold of, but aware of what's happening.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: byennie on July 25, 2015, 11:45:19 PM
Yep, those are my two main points. If we propose and vote on amendments to stop such future behavior here and in yahoo, and clarify the insinuation that you can't be in the league if you are not on celticsblog, which byennie did state (see his earlier post in this thread), yet is not a rule, then I'm good. We need to follow the constitution, within reason as LB33 states, to make and amend rules. We can't just make them with no votes and the majority of the league not even present as we go. Honestly, only about 1/4 of the league has been around and participated in any way this offseason, and some may not even know that trading is open.

BFM was removed because he behaved so badly towards other GMs, that he earned a lifetime ban from CelticsBlog. Furthermore he endangered the existence of the league on here. For bonus points, his response to me was a condescending insinuation which you have repeated here, about how I take orders from CBlog mods.

That is absolutely not the same thing as "you must be a member of CBlog to participate".

If you'd like to propose a rule, feel free.

If you can show me a majority of GMs looking to override my decision, let me know, and I'll either accept the veto or step down.

Technically speaking, there are no behavior clauses in our constitution at all. However, we do abide by:

8. For any rule not covered in this constitution, the default Yahoo! rules will apply.

The Yahoo! Terms of Service has a very detailed Member Conduct policy which you are welcome to peruse. I assure you many of those policies were broken.

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 25, 2015, 11:56:45 PM
I propose we make a rule that all league members have to maintain a standard of respect towards each other at all times, in celticsblog forums, in yahoo forums, in PMs, in emails, and in all forms of communication between league members. If this standard is not maintained, GMs will be warned once, then kicked out on following offenses.

Second, I propose that we make a rule that GMs must maintain a reasonable level of activity throughout the regular season, including the draft. We should decide on what this means in terms of what entails a reasonable level of activity, but this has been a repeated problem over the years.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: byennie on July 26, 2015, 12:08:26 AM
The discussion is not about who's offenses are worse, it's that this stuff always goes on every season. We need to make clear rules to stop it.

My other point is, there is no such rule that you have to be a celticsblog member to be part of the league. The commish can't refer to such rule as justification for kicking one person out and not others. If we want to make such a rule, it has to be proposed , and voted on. If you guys want such a rule, propose it and lets vote on it.

For the record, we're in agreement on the 1st point.

I get your 2nd point, but it's just not something we can retroactively apply to this latest incident. There are no rules on behavior in our constitution - the best interpretation available to me would be to follow Yahoo! policies as the default. The answer can't be that it's impossible for anyone to be removed no matter what they do.

So, just to recap one more time:

BFM is out; however, he has not been replaced yet. On the off chance that there is an actual push to veto my decision (despite zero complaints at the time), I can wait a little while to hear from that contingency. You are entitled to an opinion of course, but I would need to know that it's more than just you.

Rules proposals would be great, on this and in general.

There is no rule, written or implied, requiring you to be a member here to be in the league. There is an implication that you can't abuse other GMs, behave horribly, and escape all consequences until proven guilty under league constitution law (all 2.5 pages of it none of which addresses behavior).

I'm not going to dig into history of past bad behavior as precedent, particularly incidents that happened before I was even a member of the league. If someone acted even worse in the past, shame on them, but I can't do anything about it right now.

Finally: the single biggest problem in this league is the behavior of a few GMs spoiling it for others. It is BY FAR the complaint I get most often. I think occasionally doing something about it, while trying to be as fair is possible, is in the best interest of the league.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: byennie on July 26, 2015, 12:10:32 AM
I propose we make a rule that all league members have to maintain a standard of respect towards each other at all times, in celticsblog forums, in yahoo forums, in PMs, in emails, and in all forms of communication between league members. If this standard is not maintained, GMs will be warned once, then kicked out on following offenses.

Second, I propose that we make a rule that GMs must maintain a reasonable level of activity throughout the regular season, including the draft. We should decide on what this means in terms of what entails a reasonable level of activity, but this has been a repeated problem over the years.

On the second: we already have a pretty strict activity clause. I'm open to suggestions on changes and/or enforcement.

On the first, doesn't that just leave the door wide open for the commissioner to judge? I'm not opposed to it in any way, just not sure how much it adds.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 12:12:56 AM
Just an FYI we do have a rule about activity:

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6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

I think byennie plans on making a separate thread for rule discussions.  Theres still a couple we should propose tweaks for and then I can help set up a ballot system where we can group all of them together and have one large vote before the season.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 26, 2015, 01:21:42 AM
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Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 01:33:03 AM
Forgot to mention this, but I updated all of the individual team history pages here:  http://nedyken.com/cbpl/

If anyone spots a mistake, let me know. In a few instances I didn't know the names of previous GMs who ran teams over the past 8 years.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 26, 2015, 09:01:38 AM
Just an FYI we do have a rule about activity:

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6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

I think byennie plans on making a separate thread for rule discussions.  Theres still a couple we should propose tweaks for and then I can help set up a ballot system where we can group all of them together and have one large vote before the season.

The commish should handle all voting for new rules
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 26, 2015, 09:28:39 AM
I propose we make a rule that all league members have to maintain a standard of respect towards each other at all times, in celticsblog forums, in yahoo forums, in PMs, in emails, and in all forms of communication between league members. If this standard is not maintained, GMs will be warned once, then kicked out on following offenses.

Second, I propose that we make a rule that GMs must maintain a reasonable level of activity throughout the regular season, including the draft. We should decide on what this means in terms of what entails a reasonable level of activity, but this has been a repeated problem over the years.

On the second: we already have a pretty strict activity clause. I'm open to suggestions on changes and/or enforcement.

On the first, doesn't that just leave the door wide open for the commissioner to judge? I'm not opposed to it in any way, just not sure how much it adds.

Cool, thanks Byennie. For the record, I did not ask, and am not asking, for BFM to be re-instated. I just wanted clarification on the situation and the rules going forward, which we are now doing. Mainly because other GMs were also guilty in this most recent situation, and are repeat offenders.

I may be wrong, but I think having the first rule in writing and making it clear that it applies to all forms of communication between GMs, and that after 1 warning you will be kicked out, will go a long way in preventing further problems in the future.

On the second rule regarding activity, our rule is pretty good, but I think we need to add to it that GMs have to reply to trade offers/inquiries within 15 days during the season, and within 30 days in the offseason trading periods. I think these are reasonable expectations and can cut down on people mentally checking out and not communicating with some GMs at all. A simple "no" or hitting the rejection button in yahoo takes two seconds, its not asking much from people.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 26, 2015, 09:29:53 AM
Just an FYI we do have a rule about activity:

Quote
6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

I think byennie plans on making a separate thread for rule discussions.  Theres still a couple we should propose tweaks for and then I can help set up a ballot system where we can group all of them together and have one large vote before the season.

The commish should handle all voting for new rules

Agreed. LB33 should not be involved in handling rule discussions any more than proposing and discussing rules as any other GM does.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 09:51:48 AM
Just an FYI we do have a rule about activity:

Quote
6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

I think byennie plans on making a separate thread for rule discussions.  Theres still a couple we should propose tweaks for and then I can help set up a ballot system where we can group all of them together and have one large vote before the season.

The commish should handle all voting for new rules

Agreed. LB33 should not be involved in handling rule discussions any more than proposing and discussing rules as any other GM does.
Lol.  If you guys misinterpreted me, I was saying I could help set up a system for voting. 

We can suggest rule changes on the forum and eventually I can help put them all on an organized webform so we can have one large vote before the season starts.   

Obviously the results of that vote would go directly to the commish
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 26, 2015, 10:01:38 AM
I propose we make a rule that all league members have to maintain a standard of respect towards each other at all times, in celticsblog forums, in yahoo forums, in PMs, in emails, and in all forms of communication between league members. If this standard is not maintained, GMs will be warned once, then kicked out on following offenses.

Second, I propose that we make a rule that GMs must maintain a reasonable level of activity throughout the regular season, including the draft. We should decide on what this means in terms of what entails a reasonable level of activity, but this has been a repeated problem over the years.

On the second: we already have a pretty strict activity clause. I'm open to suggestions on changes and/or enforcement.

On the first, doesn't that just leave the door wide open for the commissioner to judge? I'm not opposed to it in any way, just not sure how much it adds.

Cool, thanks Byennie. For the record, I did not ask, and am not asking, for BFM to be re-instated. I just wanted clarification on the situation and the rules going forward, which we are now doing. Mainly because other GMs were also guilty in this most recent situation, and are repeat offenders.

I may be wrong, but I think having the first rule in writing and making it clear that it applies to all forms of communication between GMs, and that after 1 warning you will be kicked out, will go a long way in preventing further problems in the future.

On the second rule regarding activity, our rule is pretty good, but I think we need to add to it that GMs have to reply to trade offers/inquiries within 15 days during the season, and within 30 days in the offseason trading periods. I think these are reasonable expectations and can cut down on people mentally checking out and not communicating with some GMs at all. A simple "no" or hitting the rejection button in yahoo takes two seconds, its not asking much from people.

Meh I don't like forced replys to trades.  I just ignore a good amount, it's not because I am not active though . 
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 26, 2015, 10:02:29 AM
Just an FYI we do have a rule about activity:

Quote
6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

I think byennie plans on making a separate thread for rule discussions.  Theres still a couple we should propose tweaks for and then I can help set up a ballot system where we can group all of them together and have one large vote before the season.

The commish should handle all voting for new rules

Agreed. LB33 should not be involved in handling rule discussions any more than proposing and discussing rules as any other GM does.
Lol.  If you guys misinterpreted me, I was saying I could help set up a system for voting. 

We can suggest rule changes on the forum and eventually I can help put them all on an organized webform so we can have one large vote before the season starts.   

Obviously the results of that vote would go directly to the commish.


I don't think that's necessary. 
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
Just an FYI we do have a rule about activity:

Quote
6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

I think byennie plans on making a separate thread for rule discussions.  Theres still a couple we should propose tweaks for and then I can help set up a ballot system where we can group all of them together and have one large vote before the season.

The commish should handle all voting for new rules

Agreed. LB33 should not be involved in handling rule discussions any more than proposing and discussing rules as any other GM does.
Lol.  If you guys misinterpreted me, I was saying I could help set up a system for voting. 

We can suggest rule changes on the forum and eventually I can help put them all on an organized webform so we can have one large vote before the season starts.   

Obviously the results of that vote would go directly to the commish.


I don't think that's necessary.

What part is unnecessary ?  Voting?  Lol. Are you suggesting that we just suggest rule amendments and let the commish decide on them?  Or are you suggesting that having one large vote on the dozens of potential rule suggestions is "unnecessary"?

I can already think of 4 rule ammendment suggestions previously recommended. 

This forum isn't going to be organized enough for the vote.  For Harry's previous suggestions, for example, I can I think of valid pros and cons.  A brief synopsis of those pros and cons should be included for each ammendment suggestion... That way someone who doesn't necessarily read every single forum post and doesn't have a ton of time (like Bada bing for instance) only has to read the ammendment suggestions once in a large pre-season vote... As opposed to expecting each rule to be voted on individually... Which is unrealistic.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 26, 2015, 10:14:25 AM
Just an FYI we do have a rule about activity:

Quote
6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

I think byennie plans on making a separate thread for rule discussions.  Theres still a couple we should propose tweaks for and then I can help set up a ballot system where we can group all of them together and have one large vote before the season.

The commish should handle all voting for new rules

Agreed. LB33 should not be involved in handling rule discussions any more than proposing and discussing rules as any other GM does.
Lol.  If you guys misinterpreted me, I was saying I could help set up a system for voting. 

We can suggest rule changes on the forum and eventually I can help put them all on an organized webform so we can have one large vote before the season starts.   

Obviously the results of that vote would go directly to the commish.


I don't think that's necessary.

What part is unnecessary ?  Voting?  Lol. Are you suggesting that we just suggest rule amendments and let the commish decide on them?  Or are you suggesting that having one large vote on the dozens of potential rule suggestions is "unnecessary"?

I can already think of 4 rule ammendment suggestions previously recommended. 

This forum isn't going to be organized enough for the vote.  For Harry's previous suggestions, for example, I can I think of valid pros and cons.  A brief synopsis of those pros and cons should be included for each ammendment suggestion... That way someone who doesn't necessarily read every single forum post and doesn't have a ton of time (like Bada bing for instance) only has to read the ammendment suggestions once in a large pre-season vote... As opposed to expecting each rule to be voted on individually... Which is unrealistic.


I think it was clear what Kevin meant. We have handled this stuff very well in the past by having threads to discuss pros and cons of amendments, and have GMs send their votes to the commish or vote on yahoo in a poll. I see no reason why this should be changed.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 26, 2015, 10:17:53 AM
Just an FYI we do have a rule about activity:

Quote
6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

I think byennie plans on making a separate thread for rule discussions.  Theres still a couple we should propose tweaks for and then I can help set up a ballot system where we can group all of them together and have one large vote before the season.

The commish should handle all voting for new rules

Agreed. LB33 should not be involved in handling rule discussions any more than proposing and discussing rules as any other GM does.
Lol.  If you guys misinterpreted me, I was saying I could help set up a system for voting. 

We can suggest rule changes on the forum and eventually I can help put them all on an organized webform so we can have one large vote before the season starts.   

Obviously the results of that vote would go directly to the commish.


I don't think that's necessary.

What part is unnecessary ?  Voting?  Lol. Are you suggesting that we just suggest rule amendments and let the commish decide on them?  Or are you suggesting that having one large vote on the dozens of potential rule suggestions is "unnecessary"?

I can already think of 4 rule ammendment suggestions previously recommended. 

This forum isn't going to be organized enough for the vote.  For Harry's previous suggestions, for example, I can I think of valid pros and cons.  A brief synopsis of those pros and cons should be included for each ammendment suggestion... That way someone who doesn't necessarily read every single forum post and doesn't have a ton of time (like Bada bing for instance) only has to read the ammendment suggestions once in a large pre-season vote... As opposed to expecting each rule to be voted on individually... Which is unrealistic.


I think it was clear what Kevin meant. We have handled this stuff very well in the past by having threads to discuss pros and cons of amendments, and have GMs send their votes to the commish or vote on yahoo in a poll. I see no reason why this should be changed.
I'd agree we probably don't want to fix what isn't broken.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 10:18:54 AM
Just an FYI we do have a rule about activity:

Quote
6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.

I think byennie plans on making a separate thread for rule discussions.  Theres still a couple we should propose tweaks for and then I can help set up a ballot system where we can group all of them together and have one large vote before the season.

The commish should handle all voting for new rules

Agreed. LB33 should not be involved in handling rule discussions any more than proposing and discussing rules as any other GM does.
Lol.  If you guys misinterpreted me, I was saying I could help set up a system for voting. 

We can suggest rule changes on the forum and eventually I can help put them all on an organized webform so we can have one large vote before the season starts.   

Obviously the results of that vote would go directly to the commish.


I don't think that's necessary.

What part is unnecessary ?  Voting?  Lol. Are you suggesting that we just suggest rule amendments and let the commish decide on them?  Or are you suggesting that having one large vote on the dozens of potential rule suggestions is "unnecessary"?

I can already think of 4 rule ammendment suggestions previously recommended. 

This forum isn't going to be organized enough for the vote.  For Harry's previous suggestions, for example, I can I think of valid pros and cons.  A brief synopsis of those pros and cons should be included for each ammendment suggestion... That way someone who doesn't necessarily read every single forum post and doesn't have a ton of time (like Bada bing for instance) only has to read the ammendment suggestions once in a large pre-season vote... As opposed to expecting each rule to be voted on individually... Which is unrealistic.


I think it was clear what Kevin meant. We have handled this stuff very well in the past by having threads to discuss pros and cons of amendments, and have GMs send their votes to the commish or vote on yahoo in a poll. I see no reason why this should be changed.
Ok so if it's important to you guys we can wait until yahoo is activated and create dozens of individual threads on there for voting on each specific rule change... Forget efficiency.  Word. Whatever.

All I was saying is that I can help set up the voting system. Lol. This is a non issue. If it's important to you to have it done in yahoo, so be it.  That's funny.  Of course, how close before the season does yahoo let you set up shop?... And what if one of the rule suggestions is to change it to a h2h league on ESPN?   Lol.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 10:27:21 AM
Fellas, let's not get into the habit of disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

If the intention is to make progress in this league then obviously the "old ways" are irrelevant.

You don't have to take some grand contrarian stance simply because I said I'd help set up a system for one large efficient vote.

Clearly the yahoo system is garbage for voting. You'd have to create individual threads for each specific rule suggestion.  You have no way of knowing who has voted... So if only 7 votes are tallied we don't know who to bother and remind to vote.  You can't possibly expect all 20 members of this league to click into every single rule suggestion and vote.

 What I was saying is that we can have a thread built specifically for debating the pros and cons of rule amendments and when the season is close to approaching we can have every single rule suggestion put on one large webform that can be sent out to every single member of the league for one large vote.  Then someone like juggs who doesn't seem to read every thread can only be bugged once... And we can get votes from all 20 teams on every suggestion large and small.

There's at least 5 rule change suggestions I can already think of... Everything from amending the 75 missed game rule and the associated draft pick penalty... To a game-changing rule to make this a h2h league.   Everything can and should be voted on. Merely offering to help make things more efficient and organized. I don't care who sets up that webform. It's irrelevant. 
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on July 26, 2015, 10:27:53 AM
Want to just let everyone know that Im keeping Noah Vonleh..I had 5 GMs ask bout him
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 26, 2015, 10:39:14 AM
Fellas, let's not get into the habit of disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

If the intention is to make progress in this league then obviously the "old ways" are irrelevant.

You don't have to take some grand contrarian stance simply because I said I'd help set up a system for one large efficient vote.

Clearly the yahoo system is garbage for voting. You'd have to create individual threads for each specific rule suggestion.  You have no way of knowing who has voted... So if only 7 votes are tallied we don't know who to bother and remind to vote.  You can't possibly expect all 20 members of this league to click into every single rule suggestion and vote.

 What I was saying is that we can have a thread built specifically for debating the pros and cons of rule amendments and when the season is close to approaching we can have every single rule suggestion put on one large webform that can be sent out to every single member of the league for one large vote.  Then someone like juggs who doesn't seem to read every thread can only be bugged once... And we can get votes from all 20 teams on every suggestion large and small.

There's at least 5 rule change suggestions I can already think of... Everything from amending the 75 missed game rule and the associated draft pick penalty... To a game-changing rule to make this a h2h league.   Everything can and should be voted on. Merely offering to help make things more efficient and organized. I don't care who sets up that webform. It's irrelevant.

I think it is fairly obvious that some GMs do not want you involved in this process because of your past history in a number of incidents, the most recent of which lead to your temporary suspension on celticsblog. You have a history of getting into trouble in these situations or somehow causing this stuff to snowball into something bad, so some of us prefer that you do not take on the role of an unofficial commish , as it will be perceived badly. Make suggestions, amendment proposals, etc, but let the commish handle it for your own sake.

One thing I noticed from past offseason amendment threads, each proposed amendment, for better or worse, needs its own thread, otherwise the discussions get very confusing very quickly. Those who do not have the time and/or desire to read and respond, do not, and things work out.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 10:44:42 AM
Fellas, let's not get into the habit of disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

If the intention is to make progress in this league then obviously the "old ways" are irrelevant.

You don't have to take some grand contrarian stance simply because I said I'd help set up a system for one large efficient vote.

Clearly the yahoo system is garbage for voting. You'd have to create individual threads for each specific rule suggestion.  You have no way of knowing who has voted... So if only 7 votes are tallied we don't know who to bother and remind to vote.  You can't possibly expect all 20 members of this league to click into every single rule suggestion and vote.

 What I was saying is that we can have a thread built specifically for debating the pros and cons of rule amendments and when the season is close to approaching we can have every single rule suggestion put on one large webform that can be sent out to every single member of the league for one large vote.  Then someone like juggs who doesn't seem to read every thread can only be bugged once... And we can get votes from all 20 teams on every suggestion large and small.

There's at least 5 rule change suggestions I can already think of... Everything from amending the 75 missed game rule and the associated draft pick penalty... To a game-changing rule to make this a h2h league.   Everything can and should be voted on. Merely offering to help make things more efficient and organized. I don't care who sets up that webform. It's irrelevant.

I think it is fairly obvious that some GMs do not want you involved in this process because of your past history in a number of incidents, the most recent of which lead to your temporary suspension on celticsblog. You have a history of getting into trouble in these situations or somehow causing this stuff to snowball into something bad, so some of us prefer that you do not take on the role of an unofficial commish , as it will be perceived badly. Make suggestions, amendment proposals, etc, but let the commish handle it for your own sake.

One thing I noticed from past offseason amendment threads, each proposed amendment, for better or worse, needs its own thread, otherwise the discussions get very confusing very quickly. Those who do not have the time and/or desire to read and respond, do not, and things work out.
I'm in no way suggesting I take on any responsibility whatsoever.

I'm talking about building a webform.  Relax.  This is the equivalent of getting upset about me putting the rules and offseason tracking on Nedyken.com/CBPL  ... Or getting upset about me running the tourneys.  I'm doing my best to help improve this league.  By all means, step up and contribute.

But seriously Harry if you'd prefer that I stop contributing on account of the fact that I was on the receiving end of months of Internet bullying and harassment, so be it.  My bad for being the latest victim of harassment.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 26, 2015, 10:50:23 AM
Fellas, let's not get into the habit of disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

If the intention is to make progress in this league then obviously the "old ways" are irrelevant.

You don't have to take some grand contrarian stance simply because I said I'd help set up a system for one large efficient vote.

Clearly the yahoo system is garbage for voting. You'd have to create individual threads for each specific rule suggestion.  You have no way of knowing who has voted... So if only 7 votes are tallied we don't know who to bother and remind to vote.  You can't possibly expect all 20 members of this league to click into every single rule suggestion and vote.

 What I was saying is that we can have a thread built specifically for debating the pros and cons of rule amendments and when the season is close to approaching we can have every single rule suggestion put on one large webform that can be sent out to every single member of the league for one large vote.  Then someone like juggs who doesn't seem to read every thread can only be bugged once... And we can get votes from all 20 teams on every suggestion large and small.

There's at least 5 rule change suggestions I can already think of... Everything from amending the 75 missed game rule and the associated draft pick penalty... To a game-changing rule to make this a h2h league.   Everything can and should be voted on. Merely offering to help make things more efficient and organized. I don't care who sets up that webform. It's irrelevant.

I think it is fairly obvious that some GMs do not want you involved in this process because of your past history in a number of incidents, the most recent of which lead to your temporary suspension on celticsblog. You have a history of getting into trouble in these situations or somehow causing this stuff to snowball into something bad, so some of us prefer that you do not take on the role of an unofficial commish , as it will be perceived badly. Make suggestions, amendment proposals, etc, but let the commish handle it for your own sake.

One thing I noticed from past offseason amendment threads, each proposed amendment, for better or worse, needs its own thread, otherwise the discussions get very confusing very quickly. Those who do not have the time and/or desire to read and respond, do not, and things work out.
I'm in no way suggesting I take on any responsibility whatsoever.

I'm talking about building a webform.  Relax.  This is the equivalent of getting upset about me putting the rules and offseason tracking on Nedyken.com/CBPL  ... Or getting upset about me running the tourneys.  I'm doing my best to help improve this league.  By all means, step up and contribute.

But seriously Harry if you'd prefer that I stop contributing on account of the fact that I was on the receiving end of months of Internet bullying and harassment, so be it.  My bad for being the latest victim of harassment.


My suggestion is for your benefit, to prevent your actions from being perceived as something else, and to let the process of league amendments go smoothly without personal biases, causing it to snowball into more out of control debacles. Of course, all I can do is suggest, you are free to do as you like.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 10:56:14 AM
It's fine with me Harry. Someone else build a webform.  On account of my history of being internet bullied and harassed, it's probably for the best that I don't help create a webform that would solve the very thing you just complained about (confusing threads).  When you see all the ammendment suggestions with pros/cons concisely laid out in one large pre-season vote webform, it would be troubling to find out that the guy with the history of being internet bullied and harassed had anything to do with building it.  For my benefit, I'll obstain from building the webform.  I wouldn't want my helpfulness to be perceived the wrong way.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 26, 2015, 10:58:57 AM
It's fine with me Harry. Someone else build a webform.  On account of my history of being internet bullied and harassed, it's probably for the best that I don't help create a webform that would solve the very thing you just complained about (confusing threads).  When you see all the ammendment suggestions with pros/cons concisely laid out in one large pre-season vote webform, it would be troubling to find out that the guy with the history of being internet bullied and harassed had anything to do with building it.  For my benefit, I'll obstain from building the webform.

I know that Yahoo's web design is fairly rudimentary, but it has gotten the job done in the past with no confusion, and it alleviates the risk of having anyone perceive that there is bias or manipulation in any of the votes, which would occur if any GM builds the webforms himself. That is why I believe it is best to leave the process as is.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 26, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
LB33....it's a fine idea in a vacuum and maybe some day it can happen. Right now we'll probably stick with yahoo. Your website is pretty good and involved, but the voting should probably be handled by the commish, and he is way too busy to build such a thing at this time (I'm pretty sure he would tell you that).

Hp...LB33 did some fine work on the web site and has a possibly reasonable idea in and of itself.

It's not worth getting into right now.

LB....send your idea to the commish.  Hp and Rondo (and me) ....our objection is dully noted. If this flares up less than 3 weeks after the last embarrassment I'm pretty sure this league gets shut down on CB.

That's not an option in the view of the commish, nor others. We are not going to be conducting this league on a website built by LB33 or the commish, nor in email, nor in Skype.  At the very least it would largely cease to be a year round league. We're essentially on double secret probation right now and we're being watched and we gotta act like it. Maybe get through one reasonably normal year first and then discuss mildly uncomfortable changes for the sake of efficiency.

Further....personally....I probably value my participation in the league more than CB, but if I had to choose it would be tough.  Being associated with a league that got shut down isn't something I want to do.  That last thing was embarrassing and we need to stay as far away from it as possible.

I move to just table this idea for now. The idea is out there. Send ideas/opinions to the commish, but we've hashed it out for now.

I want to get back to trading...maybe make an offer on Vonleh.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 11:24:21 AM
There's probably a dozen rule suggestions and only one has anything to do with gm behavior. I'd love to see who is going to vote against the behavior clause. Lol.

The rest of the suggestions will have to do with small details... Like when offseason trading is opened, language clarification on when we can trade future picks,  an amendment to the 75 missed game rule and how it impacts traded picks, whether or not we should abolish adjusted standings, whether or not we should switch to a h2h league, amendments to gm activity demands (such as if we demand every trade gets a response), change suggestions for our lotto, whether we should consider expansion, whether we should change our scoring system, what our official league name should be, etc.

There will be plenty of pros and cons for every single rule suggestion.  For example, on Harry's suggestion that we make gm activity even more mandatory, I don't personally believe every single trade needs a response... And this is coming from someone who sends a ton of trade offers.  It's fine if some trades get ignored.  That's just my opinion though. We should vote on it.

We could create dozens of individual threads on yahoo and hope that every single rule gets voted on by every single gm, but that's an unrealistic expectation. The yahoo threads are muddled and confusing.

Instead, how about we discuss all of the pros and cons on a rule suggestion thread.  We can suggest as many rules as we want. We can make all our voices heard on why certain rules should or shouldn't be changed/added. 

Then, shortly before the season, someone other than myself (on account of my history of being Internet bullied and harassed) should put all of them on one large webform ballot for one large vote that can be sent out to all 20 league members.  It would look something like this:

Quote
#1 - Ammend GM activity rule
Current language:  "6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement."
Ammendment suggestion: "6. GM activity is vital. GMs who are inactive without a roster move, post, trade response, or other demonstrable proof of logging on and checking one?s lineup for 7 straight days are issued a warning. A second warning is grounds for replacement in the league. 14 straight days of inactivity is also grounds for replacement.  GM's are also required to respond to trades during the offseason.
Pros:  Requiring trade responses will assure that every single trade offer is responded to. This is vital to GM activity and should be included
Cons: It's unreasonable for every single trade offer to receive a response, especially in the offseason.  GM's often receive too many offers as-is and it's perfectly acceptable to ignore bad offers.  A GM can be active without responding to every trade.

Should we Ammend? 
- checkbox for yes
- checkbox for no

#2 - Change to H2H league...

Etc...

Having everything laid out nice and organized in an efficient manner was all I was suggesting. I don't care who puts in the work to build that.  I was offering to help, but I don't want anyone to be upset... Given my history of being harassed and all.  The yahoo threads are not a viable option imo. You will get a handful of votes on each rule suggestion and it will be too confusing to follow.  Having everything on a single ballot will assure that everyone votes, we don't waste the time of casual GM's and all the key pros and cons are clearly defined.  This is less of a problem for guys like eja and myself who read literally every post... But consider the time of someone like  juggs or Bada. Their votes count but let's make it easy for them to vote on everything.

I get the ol "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality. I've been here for two seasons and I've yet to see a single ammendment suggestion get an effective vote. They have been lost in the muddled yahoo forums and ignored.  It's broke.  Fix it.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on July 26, 2015, 11:28:16 AM
is the roster and draft order updated?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 11:45:02 AM
Harry read my post above.  To be clear, I'm in no way suggesting I'd be overseeing the vote. I'm talking about building the webform and filling it out (see above example). I have more free time than most.  I set up the offseason tracking sheet this year, because I had the time to do it (it's just busy work. I had to load every roster page and manually type in the names on a spreadsheet)... But when I was done setting it up, I sent it to byennie and he made a copy of it that he is fully in control of.  I have no way of editing it at this point. He's got the only edit rights.

The voting thing would be similar. If someone else wants to build it, fine.  Byennie will obviously be the one who oversees the results of that vote.  I was just offering to help.  If me helping offends anyone, I'll stop helping.

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 12:12:44 PM
#39 available for a 2016 2nd.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on July 26, 2015, 04:44:11 PM
We could create dozens of individual threads on yahoo and hope that every single rule gets voted on by every single gm, but that's an unrealistic expectation. The yahoo threads are muddled and confusing.

FWIW, the h2h league held a "constitutional convention" last summer (in a single thread) where we did just this -- discuss all sorts of different possible changes. The debate was useful, on point, and at times at odds. But folks did the work and no one dominated the conversation. The "positions", when there was a difference, were clear after 1 post usually. No need for 8,402 word replies.

They were each then given a single "thread" for voting once we got to Yahoo! All but 1 of the six votes got (IIRC) 18 or 19 votes.

So it's not unrealistic. In fact I know with some self-restraint, discipline and a little togetherness that we could do that here.

All that said, this process needs to be led by the commissioner, Byennie, and no on else.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 26, 2015, 04:50:30 PM
With Shabazz headed to the Magic for nothing let's agree M Chalmers is more valuable today than he was yesterday.

Want a 2016 2nd rounder
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on July 26, 2015, 05:51:51 PM
With Shabazz headed to the Magic for nothing let's agree M Chalmers is more valuable today than he was yesterday.

Want a 2016 2nd rounder

If player x's value "increases" because his team gave away player y, who was in front of him on the depth chart, does player x have any value?

Sort of seems like both players are worthless.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 26, 2015, 07:48:19 PM
We could create dozens of individual threads on yahoo and hope that every single rule gets voted on by every single gm, but that's an unrealistic expectation. The yahoo threads are muddled and confusing.

FWIW, the h2h league held a "constitutional convention" last summer (in a single thread) where we did just this -- discuss all sorts of different possible changes. The debate was useful, on point, and at times at odds. But folks did the work and no one dominated the conversation. The "positions", when there was a difference, were clear after 1 post usually. No need for 8,402 word replies.

They were each then given a single "thread" for voting once we got to Yahoo! All but 1 of the six votes got (IIRC) 18 or 19 votes.

So it's not unrealistic. In fact I know with some self-restraint, discipline and a little togetherness that we could do that here.

All that said, this process needs to be led by the commissioner, Byennie, and no on else.
Cool.  I've been here two years and there's been three instances where I've brought up the same exact rule amendment suggestion (regarding 75 missed game rule) and each time a couple people weigh in, the post gets buried and nothing ever comes of it.   I expect more of the same, but it's fine because our rules are pretty tight as-is.

But if ya'll want to have a proper vote on a collection of rule suggestions, you need to find a better method than a yahoo thread.  It hasn't worked at any point since I've been involved in this league. 

Fwiw, I believe the DKC just does everything within surveymonkey.com.   That's a viable option.  Again, any method to collect all 20+ rule suggestions on one large survey with clearly defined pros/cons and then make the "survey"/"ballot" mandatory for all members would ensure that each suggestion large and small gets addressed.   

I'm sorry if my out of context comment about helping "build the voting system" triggered anyone.  That wasn't my intention.   I was suggesting that I could help build a webform that feeds into a spreadsheet and then give the viewing/editing rights to byennie.   But now that I look into it, surveymonkey probably will be a better/easier option.   
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: byennie on July 26, 2015, 08:26:01 PM
Hi folks,

Please check out the new dedicated threads for the offseason. I ask that everyone please use them for their intended purposes. CelticsBlog rules of conduct apply to all of them, but specifically I would like to keep them on-topic.

General discussion can remain here, for those that want an open-ended thread.

1) Trade Forum
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80113

2) Official Transactions / Announcements
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80111

3) Rules Discussion
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80112

On voting options, let's take it over to the Rules Discussion thread =).

See the Official Transactions thread for recently executed trades, and please do review your roster on the offseason tracker.

Cheers,
Brian
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on July 26, 2015, 09:09:06 PM
Thanks Brian, this is great! I have a good feeling about the rest of our offseason league discussions and coming season going forward.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on July 26, 2015, 09:15:45 PM
With Shabazz headed to the Magic for nothing let's agree M Chalmers is more valuable today than he was yesterday.

Want a 2016 2nd rounder

If player x's value "increases" because his team gave away player y, who was in front of him on the depth chart, does player x have any value?

Sort of seems like both players are worthless.
yeah definitely. If more minutes will need to be played by a player that player gets more valuable. Definitely. By the same token it also works in reverse. P Bev. He was a starter. Was valuable. Ty Lawson got traded to the Rockets. Now he's less valuable. If Ty Lawson were to be arrested yet again, and then cut....P Bev becomes more valuable again. Definitely
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on July 30, 2015, 08:11:56 AM
All he trade talks has died down
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: 33-00-32 on August 03, 2015, 12:51:44 PM
that way someone who doesn't necessarily read every single forum post and doesn't have a ton of time (like Bada bing for instance)
I (unfortunately quite a few times over the past couple of years) do read every post. And while we are in season I visit my Yahoo page at least daily. I am a little behind and catching up as we speak but that is not the norm.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: celtsrp33 on August 12, 2015, 06:05:21 PM
MMSB has some roster trimming to do.  Please hit me up with your 1 for 3 offers!  ALso open to landing a decent draft pick.  Nobody is untouchable!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on August 12, 2015, 09:13:43 PM
As I look up from a sip of my wine I pause the Mr. Magoo cartoon and announce....paperwork has been filed.....M Chalmers is off the table.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on August 13, 2015, 10:03:02 AM
As I look up from a sip of my wine I pause the Mr. Magoo cartoon and announce....paperwork has been filed.....M Chalmers is off the table.


TP for Mr. Magoo.... used to love watching that with my folks as a kid!!


(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/807600/THE-MORTIFIED-PUNTER1.gif)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: celtsrp33 on September 07, 2015, 09:54:47 PM
SO when is our draft?  Seems like there hasn't been much activity here for the points league...?  Whats going on?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 07, 2015, 10:12:22 PM
It looks to me like the last time we did this on Oct 14th or so
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 08, 2015, 10:23:52 AM
It looks to me like the last time we did this on Oct 14th or so

Maybe a week or 2 sooner would make sense this year? the season starts 2 weeks later, so it's not much time for post-draft wheeling and dealing (which might not be the biggest problem).

From experience I'd give the cutdown period and setting up rosters on Yahoo! a week just to avoid problems and allow for a waiver period (or 2) before the first game....
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on September 09, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
Question: When drafting, can we draft Euros who are technical 'rookies' but who weren't drafted in the NBA this season?

Like Sasha Kaun, or Marcelo Huertas. Or, are they waiver-wire-fodder?

2nd question: Where can I find waiver wire order?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 09, 2015, 11:12:07 AM
Question: When drafting, can we draft Euros who are technical 'rookies' but who weren't drafted in the NBA this season?

Like Sasha Kaun, or Marcelo Huertas. Or, are they waiver-wire-fodder?

2nd question: Where can I find waiver wire order?
We have an obscure rule covering that but I'd have to find it. I think it's something like whoever is drafted had to have been draft eligible. Like for example we didn't draft Joel Freeland back in the day.

Waiver wire order is order of finish meaning the first place guy gets the first waiver priority and the last place guy gets last. I believe that is based on actual finish, not adjusted. I should probably double check that.

You can see it in the history of the league in yahoo. I may have to put that here
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Kwhit10 on September 09, 2015, 11:56:34 AM
IIRC, it was anyone who entered their name into the draft was eligible to be drafted in our league regardless is an NBA team selected them or not.  If they are just a Euro player coming over to the NBA and weren't in the 2015 draft, they are not draft-eligible and will be waiver wire player.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 09, 2015, 01:54:12 PM
IIRC, it was anyone who entered their name into the draft was eligible to be drafted in our league regardless is an NBA team selected them or not.  If they are just a Euro player coming over to the NBA and weren't in the 2015 draft, they are not draft-eligible and will be waiver wire player.

That is my understanding too.

The only year you coulda drafted Sasha Kaun was 2008.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: ChampKind on September 09, 2015, 05:04:06 PM
IIRC, it was anyone who entered their name into the draft was eligible to be drafted in our league regardless is an NBA team selected them or not.  If they are just a Euro player coming over to the NBA and weren't in the 2015 draft, they are not draft-eligible and will be waiver wire player.

Yeah, that's the case. I was prevented from drafting Christian Eyenga at one point, and I've been bitter ever since.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 09, 2015, 07:07:50 PM
IIRC, it was anyone who entered their name into the draft was eligible to be drafted in our league regardless is an NBA team selected them or not.  If they are just a Euro player coming over to the NBA and weren't in the 2015 draft, they are not draft-eligible and will be waiver wire player.

Yeah, that's the case. I was prevented from drafting Christian Eyenga at one point, and I've been bitter ever since.

In your honor CK I'm considering changing my team name to "Eyenga Prevention".
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on September 13, 2015, 10:53:12 PM
Do we have a draft date?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 13, 2015, 10:55:06 PM
No. That's next. Soon I will try to start working on that and one other thing with byennie
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 14, 2015, 10:25:03 AM
After watching the H2H league draft last night, I'm pumped to get the PTS league draft going. Any ideas on potential dates Eja and Byennie?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 14, 2015, 02:31:51 PM
Me too!!! Lots of GMs showed up and have fun with all the trade talks!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 14, 2015, 03:12:46 PM
Yeah and i want to be in a draft I'm not running  :-\ ;D
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 14, 2015, 07:11:11 PM
After watching the H2H league draft last night, I'm pumped to get the PTS league draft going. Any ideas on potential dates Eja and Byennie?
Some answers will soon be forthcoming. I promise.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 14, 2015, 07:15:08 PM
After watching the H2H league draft last night, I'm pumped to get the PTS league draft going. Any ideas on potential dates Eja and Byennie?
Some answers will soon be forthcoming. I promise.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 14, 2015, 07:16:08 PM
The 5 smiling faces are my draft picks: 6th, 8th, 12th, 14th and 16th
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 14, 2015, 08:46:30 PM
I can't do this any more. I can't be phony like this any more.

Confession, and on some level I apologize and whatnot.

I have known byennie since freshman year of high school. And I'm darn lucky to have known him. I was not buddy buddy with him, and we didn't hang out much, if at all, and we generally hung out with different crowds. Byennie had a strong reputation as a guy who got along with everyone. I never heard ONE mildly controversial thing about him EVER. He is extremely intelligent and finished third in his class. If you can possibly believe this I was ...um...awkward in high school (can you believe that? EJA? EJA shot his mouth off? In high school? And weirded people out? I must be shocking you) and as a result some people didn't want to have much to do with me and still don't (can you blame them?), but byennie never treated me like that and sometimes worked with me when others wouldn't have wanted to. (We were in a lot of the same classes and debated that darn other kid that thought our community should have a McDonalds! A McDonalds I tell you! No WAY. We lived in a rural community and there was no WAY it should have had a McDonalds.) You can't really get anything past him and he sorta spotted me here and we are Facebook friends. (I think the tip off was that I'd say stuff here and then copy/paste it to my Facebook page. After 4 or 5 times of that I think he established a pattern).

His positive traits of fairness, giving people a shot and a 2nd shot, keeping his cool, and intelligence led me to nominate him as commish, and I'm glad I did.

I have not ever received any special treatment from byennie. In fact he is an extremely busy guy that is hard to reach, but arguably I had slightly better access to him. However, realistically I had better access to all of you than to him. I have had infinitely more discussions with Y'all and Toines, and LarBrd, than I have had with him.

I felt that you all deserved an explanation. I did not find this to be important previously, or even germane to the conversation until now. I felt we had too much bickering to worry about stuff like this.

Some of you may be wondering if byennie and I eeeevvvvveeeerrr were even tempted to even consider any kind of shenanigans. I don't blame you.
 
I keep pretty detailed notes on my team and trades. Here is a list of (I think) every trade I have made with him over the years straight from my spreadsheet

Jimmer for Ubuntu Yalls 2014  two with Jackalopes
Dec 22 Glen Rice Jr and Jon Leuer for Kyle Singler, Tony Snell, and Ubuntus 2014 two with Jackalopes


Hmmmm...that's odd...I coulda sworn I had more than two

Anyway...I am not sorry for my actions, only sorry for what has occurred. ....byennie is facing a situation that is absolutely none of our business but when I heard I almost threw up. He is in fine personal physical health, he is not being sued, he is not going bankrupt, and he is not facing jail time to my knowledge. This league has suddenly become a first world problem for him. I think he will want to keep his team and I think he should. I told him not to worry about anything and that I'd take care of this.

At this point I open the floor for nominees for new commish

Y'all....he's here a lot and runs a good team

mkogav....same

eja....he's here all the time, already has access to the spreadsheet, and his relative closeness to byennie may help with transition

Birdman...he's around a lot lately with a lot of enthusiasm. I can't remember him having lots of issues with anyone

If it's me I make the following promises...first....during the draft I will drink far less than I did at the H2H draft, although I might drink tonight. (hey...I'm Irish.) Second...I'll do my best and give explanations and reasons. Third....I will seek out opinions and advice and whatnot. Fourth...I'll be more honest and whatnot. Fifth...I will most likely keep all future posts shorter than this.

We should take 48 hours to think this over.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 14, 2015, 08:57:01 PM
Yeah and i want to be in a draft I'm not running  :-\ ;D


I nominate GC for the new commish  ;D

Just kidding. I'm sorry to hear that Byennie has a serious RL issue. Of course RL will take priority from time to time for all of us, I wish him the best and am grateful for the work he did guiding the league through a tough time.

I nominate THE Eja to replace him, even if he was a weirdo in high school
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 14, 2015, 08:58:23 PM
I think GC would be good. But the man deserves a life and we had to pray for cooperation from a 3 year old during the H2H draft
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 14, 2015, 08:59:18 PM
My bigger concern is just timing right now. I think we probably have time for a constitutional convention. Then draft. But gotta get a move on for sure. I will soon start informing the email guys of developments
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 14, 2015, 09:05:35 PM
My bigger concern is just timing right now. I think we probably have time for a constitutional convention. Then draft. But gotta get a move on for sure. I will soon start informing the email guys of developments

Yep, time is short. Maybe even confirming a new commish and jumping into the draft, skipping the constitutional convention, may be ok if needed. We gotta have time for roster cut downs, and getting set up in Yahoo and factor in time for the new commish to adjust to all the new processes.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 14, 2015, 09:06:34 PM
I think GC would be good. But the man deserves a life and we had to pray for cooperation from a 3 year old during the H2H draft

We have to distract him as much as possible for the next few weeks while the Celticsblog Fantasy Baseball Playoffs are going on!!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 14, 2015, 09:11:15 PM
My bigger concern is just timing right now. I think we probably have time for a constitutional convention. Then draft. But gotta get a move on for sure. I will soon start informing the email guys of developments

Yep, time is short. Maybe even confirming a new commish and jumping into the draft, skipping the constitutional convention, may be ok if needed. We gotta have time for roster cut downs, and getting set up in Yahoo and factor in time for the new commish to adjust to all the new processes.
We also have to get a new GM....I'm gonna try to feel someone out that was suggested to me.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 14, 2015, 09:30:12 PM
Thanks Eja for putting my name in the commish ring but I think you should be the new commish
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on September 14, 2015, 10:00:59 PM
I don't really care at all the byennie and eja knew each other in high school and now live next to each other and are best friends and talk about all of us behind our back while doing weird impressions of how we sound (I heard from unconfirmed sources that Gainesville Celtic sounds like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory).

Neither guy has given any of us a reason to care about this stuff, as far as I can tell. If eja is the next commish, sounds great. If he's not comfortable with that, whatever.

But seriously, how do I get ahold of the guy who finished first last year? I'm trying to take this year SERIOUS you guys.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 14, 2015, 10:02:55 PM
We actually live a really long ways apart from each other and haven't seen each other in....I think...since...the mid 90s. Although there is a class reunion coming up.

You can email the guy. I'll pm you the email if you want.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on September 14, 2015, 10:41:18 PM
We actually live a really long ways apart from each other and haven't seen each other in....I think...since...the mid 90s. Although there is a class reunion coming up.

You can email the guy. I'll pm you the email if you want.

Yeah, you can hide your weekly karaoke sessions from everyone else, but you are not fooling this guy. The only thing I'm wondering is who does the falsetto during 'Goodbye Stranger'?

Of course, if it wasn't evident, I'm kidding.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 14, 2015, 10:43:50 PM
I vote we kick IP outta the league for being a.... meanie  :'(
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 14, 2015, 11:01:36 PM
My bigger concern is just timing right now. I think we probably have time for a constitutional convention. Then draft. But gotta get a move on for sure. I will soon start informing the email guys of developments

Yep, time is short. Maybe even confirming a new commish and jumping into the draft, skipping the constitutional convention, may be ok if needed. We gotta have time for roster cut downs, and getting set up in Yahoo and factor in time for the new commish to adjust to all the new processes.

I'd agree w this -- given the timeframe , only about 45 days  I'd suggest keeping the status quo on the constitution for now and just focussing on making sure we got all 20 GMs, we hold the draft and cut down and set up the league on yahoo (IIRC byennie will actually need to renew the league I believe then transfer to Eja).

Byennie and i took over from Lucky in June of last year and there was still much to do and folks needed time to make the transition.

Last thing -- my experience has been the more clear & direct you can be as commish, the better.

And we should all pitch in to make the transition easier on eja.

Also, watch out for that IP guy... He's a karaoke stalker! Mazel tov!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on September 14, 2015, 11:16:46 PM
I've recently heard that you guys are looking for a new GM. In that case I would like to throw my hat into the ring. I was never in a Yahoo keepers league before, but I was in an ESPN one. :)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on September 15, 2015, 12:59:27 AM
I vote we kick IP outta the league for being a.... meanie  :'(

Tough words from a stupid poop face if I ever seen 'em.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 15, 2015, 08:36:32 AM
Is there anyone that has any issues with Dennis being the new GM or any questions you want to ask him?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 15, 2015, 09:25:22 AM
Dennis, how long were you in the ESPN league?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Kwhit10 on September 15, 2015, 09:38:25 AM
Dennis can join if he promises not to make a trade until January.

 ;D
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 15, 2015, 09:45:14 AM
I vote we kick IP outta the league for being a.... meanie  :'(

Tough words from a stupid poop face if I ever seen 'em.

TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE!!!



FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!


Eja's first controversy as commish!! How will he handle it?!? Perma-bans? Slaps on the wrist?? Docking of draft picks? Ignoring these two blustering fools??
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 15, 2015, 10:12:47 AM
I vote we kick IP outta the league for being a.... meanie  :'(

Tough words from a stupid poop face if I ever seen 'em.

TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE!!!



FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!


Eja's first controversy as commish!! How will he handle it?!? Perma-bans? Slaps on the wrist?? Docking of draft picks? Ignoring these two blustering fools??



I propose settling it with a Karaoke face off !!!!!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on September 15, 2015, 10:24:45 AM
Dennis, how long were you in the ESPN league?
The league only went on for a year, but I did win it though if that gives me any credit.  :D

Dennis can join if he promises not to make a trade until January.

 ;D

If that is what it takes to join I'm down for that  :D
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 15, 2015, 10:50:52 AM
Dennis, how long were you in the ESPN league?
The league only went on for a year, but I did win it though if that gives me any credit.  :D

Dennis can join if he promises not to make a trade until January.

 ;D

If that is what it takes to join I'm down for that  :D


Sign this guy up!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 15, 2015, 11:07:35 AM
Is there anyone that has any issues with Dennis being the new GM or any questions you want to ask him?

The standard questions I ask folks joining the h2h league:

-- tell us about yourself --- any time commitments (besides normal 9-5 work) or constraints (i.e. lack of internet access...) that might affect your participation in the league.

-- do you have any conflicts/issues with any of the existing GMs that we should know about?







Dennis can join if he promises not to make a trade until January.

 ;D

If that is what it takes to join I'm down for that  :D

Just so you're clear Dennis, some of us try to (unofficially) discourage new GMs -- who understandably want to come in and put their mark on their team -- to NOT deal away top 50 or so players for 60 cents on the dollar. this is a LONG TERM DYNASTY league... there's no rush. Take some time to get a handle on the scoring (it took me about 1/2 year to really 'get' it) and to understand the value of your players.

When you're ready to deal -- shop your players around, don't take Mk's first lowball offer  ;D (and hit me up for sure... i asked Byennie about a few of his guys previously  8))
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 15, 2015, 12:40:32 PM
ready to deal -- shop your players around, don't take Mk's first lowball offer  ;D (and hit me up for sure... i asked Byennie about a few of his guys previously  8))

My second low-ball deals are always much better ;)

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on September 15, 2015, 01:32:12 PM
Is there anyone that has any issues with Dennis being the new GM or any questions you want to ask him?

The standard questions I ask folks joining the h2h league:

-- tell us about yourself --- any time commitments (besides normal 9-5 work) or constraints (i.e. lack of internet access...) that might affect your participation in the league.

-- do you have any conflicts/issues with any of the existing GMs that we should know about?


-- I am currently a college student at Rutgers. Love the game of basketball, and anything related to it. I find that with participation with leagues I find myself more invested in the season at hand, and as a result become really active within the league. As for time constraints, the only thing that keeps me from the internet is sitting in lecture, so as a result I have numerous hours throughout the day to fiddle around with the daily lineups.

-- As for if I have any conflicts with any of the other GM's, I think it is safe to say I do not.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Diggles on September 15, 2015, 05:11:24 PM
I wan to trade my whole team for Brad Stevens.   
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Diggles on September 15, 2015, 05:29:13 PM
Birdman, calling birdman.......

What do you think of IT and Kenneth Faried and your first for Melo?   
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Diggles on September 15, 2015, 05:31:56 PM
I had missed this, but it looks like Alexei Shved's NBA career is over, he has signed a long-term deal to play in Moscow:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2523075-alexey-shved-to-khimki-moscow-latest-contract-details-analysis-and-reaction

Good thing I traded for him...  do i get to keep his rights?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 15, 2015, 05:58:21 PM
Lets talk trade folks!!! H2H draft night was great
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 15, 2015, 06:40:28 PM
I nominate Eja
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: celtsrp33 on September 15, 2015, 07:01:34 PM
Eja! Eja! Eja!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 15, 2015, 07:05:26 PM
Really the most important thing here is getting a guy that has the time to handle this.  I trust anybody in the league to be commish.   
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: celtsrp33 on September 15, 2015, 07:08:36 PM
Looking to pickup a draft pick.  Who has some to move?  Anyone and everyone can be had for the right price!

Trey Burke
Evan Fournier
Rodney Stuckey
Tony Snell
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Marvin Williams
Derrick Williams
Evan Turner
Henry Sims
Andrea Bargnani
Furkan Aldemir
Mitch McGary
Tyler Johnson
Jordan Adams
Donald Sloan
K.J. McDaniels
Chase Budinger
Miles Plumlee
Kyle Singler
Omri Casspi
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 15, 2015, 09:28:36 PM
I vote we kick IP outta the league for being a.... meanie  :'(

Tough words from a stupid poop face if I ever seen 'em.

TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE!!!



FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!! FIGHT!!


Eja's first controversy as commish!! How will he handle it?!? Perma-bans? Slaps on the wrist?? Docking of draft picks? Ignoring these two blustering fools??



I propose settling it with a Karaoke face off !!!!!
First of all....officially....there will be no Karaoke club. Unofficially....the first rule of underground Karaoke Club is you do not talk about Karaoke Club. The 2nd rule is if it's your first night you have to sing.

Second....in terms of grown men calling each other meanies and poo poo heads....I'm gonna allow it.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 16, 2015, 10:34:14 AM
Second....in terms of grown men calling each other meanies and poo poo heads....I'm gonna allow it.

WHO YOU CALLIN 'GROWN MEN' ?!?!?!?!?

(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/37300000/B-A-Baracus-the-a-team-37372814-1280-848.jpg)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 16, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
(I'd suggest we move everything back to one thread...)

Not really looking to do much more, but always open to discussions:

C.J. Miles
David West
DeMarcus Cousins
Goran Dragic
Jarrett Jack
Joe Johnson
Jose Calderon
Justin Hamilton
Manu Ginobili
Mike Conley
Pau Gasol
Paul Millsap
Reggie Jackson
Roy Hibbert
Rudy Gay
Steve Novak

#22 pick
#28 pick

As you can see, I'm not scared of adding older players. Bring 'em...
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2015, 05:08:54 PM
I agree with Gains we should move everything back here to cut down on confusion and duplication, at least for the time being. Give us one less thing to track
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 16, 2015, 10:41:24 PM
I have investigated other possibilities for commish with several other GMs. Nobody said yes. Nobody has been nominated or come forward. In another day or so I'll just move forward because it's necessary. I will be leaning heavily on Gainesville for advice. I'm reachable.  We can make a decision on the Ides of March as to whether I should continue. If I seem ambitious you are to slay me. (Granted the last time that happened it resulted in a civil war and an emperor so careful what thee wish for).

I don't really have the ability at this time to do a Constitutional convention, so I would probably do a mini one in the yahoo site in the first week of the season. I'd probably suggest amendments here and then put it to a vote there.

The draft will likely be another Sunday night, probably in October. The Great and Powerful Oz has spoken.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 16, 2015, 11:21:20 PM
I have investigated other possibilities for commish with several other GMs. Nobody said yes. Nobody has been nominated or come forward. In another day or so I'll just move forward because it's necessary. I will be leaning heavily on Gainesville for advice. I'm reachable.  We can make a decision on the Ides of March as to whether I should continue. If I seem ambitious you are to slay me. (Granted the last time that happened it resulted in a civil war and an emperor so careful what thee wish for).

I don't really have the ability at this time to do a Constitutional convention, so I would probably do a mini one in the yahoo site in the first week of the season. I'd probably suggest amendments here and then put it to a vote there.

The draft will likely be another Sunday night, probably in October. The Great and Powerful Oz has spoken.

Sunday night sounds good, but October sounds a bit late dont you think? We have to have some time for people to make their last ditch efforts to get something for players before cut down day  ;D
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 17, 2015, 07:25:06 AM
This weekend and next are out. Maybe the weekend after that
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 17, 2015, 07:51:47 AM
This weekend and next are out. Maybe the weekend after that
that be great!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 17, 2015, 09:14:05 AM
This weekend and next are out. Maybe the weekend after that

while the Sun. evening draft went well for the h2h league, i much prefer a daytime draft. just my 2 cents....
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 17, 2015, 09:55:07 AM
This weekend and next are out. Maybe the weekend after that

while the Sun. evening draft went well for the h2h league, i much prefer a daytime draft. just my 2 cents....

I like weekday, noon-5pm drafts.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 17, 2015, 10:18:53 AM
Roster:

C/PF:
Kostas Koufas
Kenneth Faried
Noah Vonleh
JJ Hickson
Amare Stoudamire
Boris Diaw
Tarik Black

SF/SG
Shabazz Mohammed
Matt Barnes
Alan Anderson
Marco Bellinelli
Henry Walker

PG/SG
Isaiah Thomas
Patrick Beverly

2015 picks:
#6..#8..#12..#14..#16

2016 picks:
Mine 1st
Mine2nd
Bellvue 2nd
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 17, 2015, 10:20:13 AM
as u can see, im rebuilding and any upgrade will be appreciated  ;D..
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 17, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/92627fde3a747a40b1a35ecd9be97914/tumblr_n1uy7fvMCq1sgl0ajo1_500.gif)


Trade??



***************************************************************


Player & Pick Availability


Open for Discussion
UF 2016 #1 (projected #12 based on 2014 finish)
Lance Stephenson
James Ennis
Kelly "Goon Squad" Olynyk
Greivis Vasquez
Will "the Thrill" Barton


We Are Talking About My Binkies, So Come Real
Robert Covington
Cory Joseph
Archie Goodwin
Walter Tavares
Mike Muscala
Thanasis Antetokounmpo


(http://i.imgur.com/WHGi867.gif)

No.
Elfrid Payton
Dennis Schröder
Andre Drummond
Rudy Gobert
Marcus Smart
Gordon Hayward
Nikola Jokic
   

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on September 17, 2015, 11:56:15 AM
This weekend and next are out. Maybe the weekend after that

while the Sun. evening draft went well for the h2h league, i much prefer a daytime draft. just my 2 cents....

I like weekday, noon-5pm drafts.

Mk

agreed - weekday!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 17, 2015, 12:04:10 PM
I just don't have that ability. Maybe a Monday night or Fri night. Those are weekdays. I'm not trying to be a killjoy....just need a plan.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 17, 2015, 12:13:21 PM
I just don't have that ability. Maybe a Monday night or Fri night. Those are weekdays. I'm not trying to be a killjoy....just need a plan.

FWIW -- and my records may be a little out of date -- but Brahma has FOUR #1 pics, IP has FOUR, Birdman has FIVE --- that's 13/20 first rounders right there.

Whoever replaced BFM (was there a new GM announced?) has two.

So I'd start with whether those 3 GMs prefer a day/evening draft. I'm happy to pitch and run a daytime draft this year if need be Eja.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 17, 2015, 12:31:42 PM
I just don't have that ability. Maybe a Monday night or Fri night. Those are weekdays. I'm not trying to be a killjoy....just need a plan.

FWIW -- and my records may be a little out of date -- but Brahma has FOUR #1 pics, IP has FOUR, Birdman has FIVE --- that's 13/20 first rounders right there.

Whoever replaced BFM (was there a new GM announced?) has two.

So I'd start with whether those 3 GMs prefer a day/evening draft. I'm happy to pitch and run a daytime draft this year if need be Eja.
Nice point GC..yeah, theres no way I can be here on a afternoon..Thursdays are my only day off and im usually mowing all day on that day...so if all possibale, night would be best for me..but if it is in the daytime, I just make a list and send it in to the commish
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 17, 2015, 01:10:02 PM
I just don't have that ability. Maybe a Monday night or Fri night. Those are weekdays. I'm not trying to be a killjoy....just need a plan.

FWIW -- and my records may be a little out of date -- but Brahma has FOUR #1 pics, IP has FOUR, Birdman has FIVE --- that's 13/20 first rounders right there.

Whoever replaced BFM (was there a new GM announced?) has two.

So I'd start with whether those 3 GMs prefer a day/evening draft. I'm happy to pitch and run a daytime draft this year if need be Eja.
Nice point GC..yeah, theres no way I can be here on a afternoon..Thursdays are my only day off and im usually mowing all day on that day...so if all possibale, night would be best for me..but if it is in the daytime, I just make a list and send it in to the commish


or....you can give some of your picks to those of us that don't have any  ;D
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 17, 2015, 01:39:13 PM
For a short time only, I'm putting Jusuf Nurkic on the block. Depending on how people value him, he may or may not be traded, but I am opening up the floor for offers before the draft.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 17, 2015, 08:56:05 PM
I don't think I've ever actually been able to make it to a draft because we have always done it right during the work day. We just had some pretty overwhelming evidence Sunday night works pretty well.
If I see overwhelming evidence that people with picks want a weekday draft we can deal with that, but for now I'm still leaning towards Sun night.

I have seen no objections to the new GM, so I think pretty soon I will give him BFMs team. Next I plan to email some guys like Pitts. Then talk a little with byennie. Then set a draft time. Then we go forward.

I think that's the best I can do right now.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 18, 2015, 08:29:32 AM
I don't think I've ever actually been able to make it to a draft because we have always done it right during the work day. We just had some pretty overwhelming evidence Sunday night works pretty well.
If I see overwhelming evidence that people with picks want a weekday draft we can deal with that, but for now I'm still leaning towards Sun night.

I have seen no objections to the new GM, so I think pretty soon I will give him BFMs team. Next I plan to email some guys like Pitts. Then talk a little with byennie. Then set a draft time. Then we go forward.

I think that's the best I can do right now.

I have no picks and no one has been willing to trade me a top 10 one, so my preferences should not be taken into consideration too much.

Mk

P.S. I am bored and want to pass the time discussing convoluted trade scenarios.i just made a questionable traded of John Wall in the h2h league, I am ripe for the pick'n.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 18, 2015, 11:05:35 AM
The Ubuntu Y'alls have picks #22 and 28 in the upcoming rookie draft.

We'd be interested in trading them for a higher pick this year or dealing one/both of them for a pick next year.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Kane3387 on September 18, 2015, 11:51:10 AM
What's the draft order?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on September 18, 2015, 12:04:30 PM
What's the draft order?

http://nedyken.com/cbpl/offseason-tracking/
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 20, 2015, 10:05:06 AM
I've emailed Pitts (I can't think of anyone else that is solely on email) and I have familiarized Dennis with BFMs roster and some of the basic rules of the league.
I've been in touch with byennie and I expect him to make an appearance at some point. Working on a draft next.

I'm also messaging the guys with lots of picks

One of the things I'm not as great at right now is the tech side of things. For example I've never done an on line poll type thing like Gains. I was thinking of doing that in yahoo at some point.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 20, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
I have the 6th, 8th, 12th, 14th, and 16th  pick...now im going to keep my 6th and 8th unless im blown away by an offer..12th going to be hard to trade also cause I got my eye on a prospect...
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 20, 2015, 04:16:41 PM
One of the things I'm not as great at right now is the tech side of things. For example I've never done an on line poll type thing like Gains. I was thinking of doing that in yahoo at some point.

Like i said i"m happy to set up polls using Doodle.

The polls on the Yahoo! site are good too -- and easy to set up. (once you get the league set up -- remember Byennie will have to renew the league then add you as a commish, then you can remove him from the league)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 20, 2015, 06:57:50 PM
I've emailed Pitts (I can't think of anyone else that is solely on email) and I have familiarized Dennis with BFMs roster and some of the basic rules of the league.
I've been in touch with byennie and I expect him to make an appearance at some point. Working on a draft next.

I'm also messaging the guys with lots of picks

One of the things I'm not as great at right now is the tech side of things. For example I've never done an on line poll type thing like Gains. I was thinking of doing that in yahoo at some point.

So it was decided that BFM is out if the league?  Was this voted on or commish power?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 20, 2015, 07:00:29 PM
I've emailed Pitts (I can't think of anyone else that is solely on email) and I have familiarized Dennis with BFMs roster and some of the basic rules of the league.
I've been in touch with byennie and I expect him to make an appearance at some point. Working on a draft next.

I'm also messaging the guys with lots of picks

One of the things I'm not as great at right now is the tech side of things. For example I've never done an on line poll type thing like Gains. I was thinking of doing that in yahoo at some point.

So it was decided that BFM is out if the league?  Was this voted on or commish power?


It was done by commish's power, by the former commish (byennie). I would suggest revisiting it and possibly putting it to a vote.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 20, 2015, 07:33:38 PM
I'm not undoing byennie's decisions regarding guys that almost got the league kicked off CB. Byennie is a pretty forgiving guy and he didn't do it for fun either. It was more like PSU facing the death penalty.

BFM and I have spoken briefly. He has had every opportunity to beg and cry and wail and nash teeth and say he has changed and beg forgiveness and tell us he has changed. It hasn't happened. It has been radio silence.

Further we have another GM here that he absolutely publicly attacked and there is no need for that GM to have to deal with that guy.

He also isn't on CB anymore, making it more difficult, and as byennie said, you have to do a lot to get kicked off CB.

In a year we'll probably need another GM. It is within the realm of possibility of dealing with it then.

Dennis has been on the radar for weeks and people had every opportunity to say something, and even if we did put it to a vote it's difficult to even get enough people to chime in on important stuff like a new commish.

We need to move forward and this is the way. Dennis seems active and well intentioned. He should get his shot.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 20, 2015, 08:03:47 PM
dennis is fine with me
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 20, 2015, 09:31:58 PM
If Dennis is BFM's replacement... do we still need one for Byennie?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 21, 2015, 04:08:08 AM
If Dennis is BFM's replacement... do we still need one for Byennie?
good question
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 21, 2015, 08:20:03 AM
If Dennis is BFM's replacement... do we still need one for Byennie?
No. Byennie wants to keep his team last I heard about 2 weeks ago. He has no draft picks this time around
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 21, 2015, 08:46:29 AM
If Dennis is BFM's replacement... do we still need one for Byennie?
No. Byennie wants to keep his team last I heard about 2 weeks ago. He has no draft picks this time around

Glad to hear it.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 21, 2015, 09:14:49 AM
Strongly considering having the draft either Sunday Oct 4, or Sunday Oct 11. They both have pros and cons. The 4th gives us a little less heads up time for the less involved. The 11th gives us less time to make final cuts and do waivers. I think the 11th is closer to what we did last year. I'm leaning towards the 4th myself, because it gives a month to work out kinks.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 21, 2015, 09:26:21 AM
Strongly considering having the draft either Sunday Oct 4, or Sunday Oct 11. They both have pros and cons. The 4th gives us a little less heads up time for the less involved. The 11th gives us less time to make final cuts and do waivers. I think the 11th is closer to what we did last year. I'm leaning towards the 4th myself, because it gives a month to work out kinks.

Last year was very late compared to years before. We use to draft in Sept. I vote for the earlier date, although I have no picks... yet.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 21, 2015, 09:28:10 AM
Yeah. Unless there's some sort of uproar it will probably be the 4th
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 21, 2015, 09:28:47 AM
If Dennis is BFM's replacement... do we still need one for Byennie?
No. Byennie wants to keep his team last I heard about 2 weeks ago. He has no draft picks this time around

OK, great! sorry I must have conflated the need for a new GM (for BFM's team) and commish as Byennie stepping down altogether.

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 21, 2015, 09:31:04 AM
Strongly considering having the draft either Sunday Oct 4, or Sunday Oct 11. They both have pros and cons. The 4th gives us a little less heads up time for the less involved. The 11th gives us less time to make final cuts and do waivers. I think the 11th is closer to what we did last year. I'm leaning towards the 4th myself, because it gives a month to work out kinks.

It's just about 2 full weeks notice -- which should be plenty in a league with active GMs.

More importantly I'd agree with your last statement --- if this is your first go-round as commish of a Yahoo league I'd give yourself as much time as possible to get it set up... (and time for Byennie to renew the league then transfer to you or allow you as co-commish...)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 21, 2015, 09:32:31 AM
Well that was actually my main concern....do we have an active league?  I don't think a week will make it any more active
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 21, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
For a VERY short time only, I will listen to offers on Gordon Hayward.

Hayward is a 25 y/o Y! eligible SG/SF who is entering his prime years. This mean he will likely improve on the 35ppg & 36ppg that he average the past two seasons. I am crazy to even think about trading a favorite of mine who will certainly enter the 40ppg level soon.

Specifically, I am looking for a high 2015 picks, a prospect that interests me, and a 2016 pick/rights-swap sort of thing.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 21, 2015, 10:51:17 AM
Strongly considering having the draft either Sunday Oct 4, or Sunday Oct 11. They both have pros and cons. The 4th gives us a little less heads up time for the less involved. The 11th gives us less time to make final cuts and do waivers. I think the 11th is closer to what we did last year. I'm leaning towards the 4th myself, because it gives a month to work out kinks.

It's just about 2 full weeks notice -- which should be plenty in a league with active GMs.

More importantly I'd agree with your last statement --- if this is your first go-round as commish of a Yahoo league I'd give yourself as much time as possible to get it set up... (and time for Byennie to renew the league then transfer to you or allow you as co-commish...)


I would be happy with the draft on Sunday the 4th, and I agree with GC, giving yourself and the rest of us bums plenty of time to get our act together and into Yahoo is a good idea.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: 33-00-32 on September 21, 2015, 11:48:27 AM
I'm pretty busy on 10/4 but I will send a list or let you all know if I'm following and able to make my own picks. Do we have a time yet? Evening (est) works best for me.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on September 21, 2015, 11:56:48 AM
4th is fine.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 21, 2015, 12:13:12 PM
I'm pretty busy on 10/4 but I will send a list or let you all know if I'm following and able to make my own picks. Do we have a time yet? Evening (est) works best for me.
Almost certainly 6:15pmish
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 21, 2015, 12:20:15 PM
I'm pretty busy on 10/4 but I will send a list or let you all know if I'm following and able to make my own picks. Do we have a time yet? Evening (est) works best for me.
Almost certainly 6:15pmish

If you do it at 6:30 -- you can steal the draft times from the h2h draft...

1. Rusted Rims - 6:40
2. Eja - 6:50
3. Utah - 7:00
4. Beantown Cocksmiths - 7:10
5. Beantown Cocksmiths - 7:20
6. Juggernauts - 7:30
7. Wrecking Crew - 7:40
8. Juggernauts - 7:50
9. MMSB - 8:00
10. Juggernauts - 8:10
11. Thundering Herd - 8:20
12. Thundering Herd - 8:30
13. Beantown Cocksmiths - 8:40         
14. I Hate You WW. - 8:50
15. Birdman - 9:00
16. Juggernauts - 9:10
17. Webskins - 9:20
18. MMSB - 9:30
19. Gainesville Celtics - 9:40
20. Eja - 9:50
21. Rusted Rims - 9:55
22. Eja - 10:00
23. Eja - 10:05
24. Yall Hate - 10:10
25. Thundering Herd - 10:15
26. MMSB - 10:20
27. Yall Hate - 10:25
28. Blacktop Flat-Tops (tarheelsxxiii) - 10:30
29. MMSB - 10:35
30. Bad Dream Team - 10:40
31. Blacktop Flat-Tops (tarheelsxxiii) - 10:45
32. LB17 - 10:50
33. I Hate WW! - 10:55
34. Gainesville Celtics - 11:00
35. Bad Dream Team  - 11:05
36. MMSB - 11:10
37. Beantown Cocksmiths - 11:15
38. Beantown Cocksmiths - 11:20
39. Wrecking Crew - 11:25
40. Wrecking Crew - 11:30


though starting it at 6 pm allows us to be done by 11 pm -- 11:30 on a SUN was a bit late for a lot of folks...
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 21, 2015, 12:26:05 PM
starting it a teeny bit earlier was the plan so that it would get over sooner. The hope was that guys with so many picks would make things go a little faster and we could get it done sooner
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on September 22, 2015, 06:29:48 PM
starting it a teeny bit earlier was the plan so that it would get over sooner. The hope was that guys with so many picks would make things go a little faster and we could get it done sooner

The earlier the better as far as I'm concerned, especially since I'm picking at #35 and #39!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 22, 2015, 09:15:27 PM
For a VERY short time only, I will listen to offers on Gordon Hayward.

Hayward is a 25 y/o Y! eligible SG/SF who is entering his prime years. This mean he will likely improve on the 35ppg & 36ppg that he average the past two seasons. I am crazy to even think about trading a favorite of mine who will certainly enter the 40ppg level soon.

Specifically, I am looking for a high 2015 picks, a prospect that interests me, and a 2016 pick/rights-swap sort of thing.

Mk

This window is now closed.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on September 22, 2015, 11:34:52 PM
RE: ^^^^

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/16/article-2145203-131D0934000005DC-718_634x387.jpg)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Kane3387 on September 23, 2015, 01:13:31 AM
What's the draft order?

http://nedyken.com/cbpl/offseason-tracking/

Thanks. I see I have no picks so I guess I get to miss out on all the fun.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 23, 2015, 10:29:01 AM
(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/window-closed-sign-3235385.jpg)

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 24, 2015, 07:30:39 AM
You can get these guys for cheap..don't let this once in a lifetime deal go by!!!

Amare Stoudamire
Matt Barnes
Alan Anderson
Marco Bellinelli
Henry Walker
Tarik Black
Boris Diaw

even do a package deal!! WOW!!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on September 24, 2015, 10:10:18 AM
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Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 25, 2015, 08:47:47 PM
Everyone has been emailed now, except Dennis, but he well aware. The only one that bounced back was Brahma Bull, which is unfortunate because he has I think 3 of the first 4 picks. I tried something else and I have pmed him, but he hasn't been on CB in 3 weeks. If anyone knows how to reach him that's good.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on September 27, 2015, 12:52:55 PM
a week before the draft so lets talk trades!!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 27, 2015, 02:51:43 PM
The invitations have gone out
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on September 27, 2015, 07:14:02 PM
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Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 28, 2015, 11:11:25 AM
I'll be on vaca next week during the draft guys.  Thankfully I have no picks.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 28, 2015, 12:26:33 PM
I think you actually have the last pick, but I assume you aren't too worried about it
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on September 28, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
I think you actually have the last pick, but I assume you aren't too worried about it

Nope. haha
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on September 28, 2015, 04:10:21 PM
I think you actually have the last pick, but I assume you aren't too worried about it

Nope. haha
Come to think of it I could make the pick and mess it up and it wouldn't matter because it's the last pick so I could just change it and it wouldn't affect anything. That's the only pick like that
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 02, 2015, 04:46:13 PM
New York Knicks starting PG Jose Calderon is on the block.... very interested in moving him and a pick (#22 or 28) for a higher pick OR for a pick next year.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 02, 2015, 07:20:46 PM
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Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: celtsrp33 on October 02, 2015, 09:00:18 PM
Looking to make some deals... Here is my roster.  Deals which help me trim my roster will get additional consideration

Make Me Some Bacon
Trey Burke
Evan Fournier
Rodney Stuckey
Tony Snell
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Marvin Williams
Derrick Williams
Evan Turner
Henry Sims
Andrea Bargnani
Furkan Aldemir
Mitch McGary
Tyler Johnson
Jordan Adams
Donald Sloan
K.J. McDaniels
Chase Budinger
Miles Plumlee
Kyle Singler
Omri Casspi
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on October 02, 2015, 09:39:19 PM
interested in tony snell, derrick Williams, evan turner, tim hardaway
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 02, 2015, 10:27:31 PM
Toine's Boys:

Tyler Ennis
Isaiah Canaan
Perry Jones
Jeremy Lamb
James Young
Kostas Papanikolaou
Jusuf Nurkic
Joel Embiid
Adreian Payne
Alexis Ajinca
Dario Saric
Damien Inglis
Jerami Grant
Michael Beasley
CJ Watson

Pick #35
Pick #39

Open to all offers, but would most like to package #35, #39, and Payne/PJ3 to move up in the draft

Also, CJ Watson is available for any offer, first person to offer anything at all will have him.

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 02, 2015, 10:43:22 PM
As the artist formerly known as Prince once said to me "I could sing you a song"

Would a song be enough for CJ?  Is that in the constitution? Can we do that?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 02, 2015, 10:46:28 PM
As the artist formerly known as Prince once said to me "I could sing you a song"

Would a song be enough for CJ?  Is that in the constitution? Can we do that?

I'll settle for a donut!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 02, 2015, 11:10:06 PM
As the artist formerly known as Prince once said to me "I could sing you a song"

Would a song be enough for CJ?  Is that in the constitution? Can we do that?

I'll settle for a donut!
As the great Ralphie Wiggum said to Homer Simpson when Homer tried to sell him his house for some crayons....I'm walking away.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 02, 2015, 11:15:31 PM
As the artist formerly known as Prince once said to me "I could sing you a song"

Would a song be enough for CJ?  Is that in the constitution? Can we do that?

I'll settle for a donut!
As the great Ralphie Wiggum said to Homer Simpson when Homer tried to sell him his house for some crayons....I'm walking away.



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Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: jayhovaone on October 03, 2015, 02:04:48 PM
Let's go accepting trades offers from almost everyone!!! ALMOST EVERYONE!!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on October 04, 2015, 06:54:42 AM
had lots of offers on my 12, 14 and 16 picks..right now it depends who I pick at 6 and 8 on whether or not if I keep all my picks but feel free to send offers
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on October 04, 2015, 12:20:56 PM
I'm willing to trade #21 PLUS Ubuntu Ya'lls 2016 2nd for a 2016 1st.  Let me know if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 04, 2015, 04:22:52 PM
I'm having a handful of conversations. I like having an open roster spot and ammo to trade next year, but if for some reason someone just hates what's available when they pick...maybe Lovetotrade and Y'all Hate's 2016 2nds could be had. Just an option. Not sure I'll love what's out there, but my team is by no means perfect
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Kwhit10 on October 04, 2015, 04:58:10 PM
I have the 30th pick and open to trading it.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on October 04, 2015, 05:11:12 PM
Draft getting closer and my Bengals won!! Great day!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT - cuts looming
Post by: Eja117 on October 05, 2015, 08:38:16 AM
Needing a slight amount of help on this next part.  NBA opening night is Tues Oct 27.

So waivers need to happen like on Thurs night Oct 22 so that people could do waivers and then even make a trade and have their team in place on that day. Right?

So that means cuts have to be Friday night the 16th so I have the weekend to process them.

Makes sense?

Also everybody check the sheet roster thing and make sure it's right.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 05, 2015, 10:36:00 AM
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Are you a little strung out after the draft?

Is your roster not coming together as well as you thought?

Let's talk trade!!!!


Sure, We Can Talk
Walter Tavares(k)
Thanasis Antetokounmpo
James Ennis
Mike Muscala
Will Barton


Available, But Come Real!
Greivis Vasquez
Robert Covington
Lance Stephenson
Cody Zeller
Kelly Olynyk
Archie Goodwin



Not Available, Unless You Are Dealing In Diamonds
Dennis Schröder
Nikola Jokic
Rudy Gobert
Andre Drummond
Elfrid Payton
Marcus Smart
Gordon Hayward

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT - cuts looming
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 05, 2015, 10:50:54 AM
Needing a slight amount of help on this next part.  NBA opening night is Tues Oct 27.

So waivers need to happen like on Thurs night Oct 22 so that people could do waivers and then even make a trade and have their team in place on that day. Right?

So that means cuts have to be Friday night the 16th so I have the weekend to process them.

Makes sense?

Also everybody check the sheet roster thing and make sure it's right.


Sounds great eja!

(A quick note for those GMs in both leagues --- this is 4 days *before* the h2h cutdown date; don't get confused please!)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 05, 2015, 11:00:29 AM
Toine's Boys updated roster below. Time is running out to talk trades, so act fast!

Tyler Ennis
Isaiah Canaan
Perry Jones
Jeremy Lamb
James Young
Kostas Papanikolaou
Kelly Oubre
Joel Embiid
Adreian Payne
Alexis Ajinca
Dario Saric
Damien Inglis
Jerami Grant
Michael Beasley
CJ Watson
Sam Dekker
Chris McCullough
Robert Upshaw
Arturas Gudaitis
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 05, 2015, 02:26:11 PM
Why is cut-down date the 16th?   Is that to give time for offline waivers?  I thought in previous years you guys always just did cuts before the season, set the waiver order in Yahoo and let waivers be handled by the Yahoo system once the season started.   Everyone not on the roster would automatically be deemed a "free agent", and Yahoo's priority list handled it.   Otherwise, it seemed like a massive pain for the Commish to deal with various priorities and contingencies... having to receive everyone's wish list and then processing it manually.   


No he's not gonna handle waivers --- he's just (wisely) trying to build in some wiggle room for uploading the rosters since this is his first time doing it:

Needing a slight amount of help on this next part.  NBA opening night is Tues Oct 27.

So waivers need to happen like on Thurs night Oct 22 so that people could do waivers and then even make a trade and have their team in place on that day. Right?

So that means cuts have to be Friday night the 16th so I have the weekend to process them.

Makes sense?

Also everybody check the sheet roster thing and make sure it's right.

Once the rosters are set (sounds like ~Oct 19) and Eja hit's "Start League" or something like that, all non-rostered players go on waviers for 1-2 days -- allowing teams to make claims.

After that 1st waiver round, unclaimed players become FA's.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 05, 2015, 04:45:39 PM
aaannnndddd.....considering we MIGHT have a 17th roster spot for IL.....

Yes yes I know I know. We gotta vote blah blah. I know.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 05, 2015, 08:53:05 PM
There is now a poll in regards to the very controversial IL spot in the yahoo league and I will shortly write a post about it.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 06, 2015, 09:44:01 AM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 06, 2015, 10:05:09 AM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?

Yes they count toward the 16 rostered players
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 06, 2015, 02:06:03 PM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?

Yes they count toward the 16 rostered players

Hmm.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 06, 2015, 02:12:51 PM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?

Yes they count toward the 16 rostered players

Hmm.

Posted this on the yahoo board as well:

Quote
The way I understand it, if I want to retain a players' rights that I drafted (in fairness, eja drafted, because I'm a forgetful idiot), and that player waits a few years to come over to the NBA, I have to keep him rostered as one of my active players.

Can we change this to just make it, if they're playing in the NBA, they're playing in the CBPL, if they're not, then they can be retained without costing a roster spot?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 06, 2015, 02:19:12 PM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?

Yes they count toward the 16 rostered players

Hmm.

Posted this on the yahoo board as well:

Quote
The way I understand it, if I want to retain a players' rights that I drafted (in fairness, eja drafted, because I'm a forgetful idiot), and that player waits a few years to come over to the NBA, I have to keep him rostered as one of my active players.

Can we change this to just make it, if they're playing in the NBA, they're playing in the CBPL, if they're not, then they can be retained without costing a roster spot?

I would say this type of rule would need to be proposed pre draft
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 06, 2015, 02:32:50 PM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?

Yes they count toward the 16 rostered players

Hmm.

Posted this on the yahoo board as well:

Quote
The way I understand it, if I want to retain a players' rights that I drafted (in fairness, eja drafted, because I'm a forgetful idiot), and that player waits a few years to come over to the NBA, I have to keep him rostered as one of my active players.

Can we change this to just make it, if they're playing in the NBA, they're playing in the CBPL, if they're not, then they can be retained without costing a roster spot?

I would say this type of rule would need to be proposed pre draft

I understand the reasoning there. If I would've known it were a rule, I would've brought it up.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on October 06, 2015, 02:57:32 PM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?

Yes they count toward the 16 rostered players

Hmm.

Posted this on the yahoo board as well:

Quote
The way I understand it, if I want to retain a players' rights that I drafted (in fairness, eja drafted, because I'm a forgetful idiot), and that player waits a few years to come over to the NBA, I have to keep him rostered as one of my active players.

Can we change this to just make it, if they're playing in the NBA, they're playing in the CBPL, if they're not, then they can be retained without costing a roster spot?

I would say this type of rule would need to be proposed pre draft

I understand the reasoning there. If I would've known it were a rule, I would've brought it up.

As I said on Yahoo --- it's been proposed a fair amount, and fails each time.  [I could be confusing the other league, but I don't think so]. 

We've always had the current rule, and I think it's a good rule.  If you are into the player enough (as I was with Mirotic for 2+ years), you keep an open roster spot.  If the player isn't that important, you drop (or don't draft him).

That's just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 06, 2015, 03:03:37 PM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?

Yes they count toward the 16 rostered players

Hmm.

Posted this on the yahoo board as well:

Quote
The way I understand it, if I want to retain a players' rights that I drafted (in fairness, eja drafted, because I'm a forgetful idiot), and that player waits a few years to come over to the NBA, I have to keep him rostered as one of my active players.

Can we change this to just make it, if they're playing in the NBA, they're playing in the CBPL, if they're not, then they can be retained without costing a roster spot?

I would say this type of rule would need to be proposed pre draft

I understand the reasoning there. If I would've known it were a rule, I would've brought it up.

As I said on Yahoo --- it's been proposed a fair amount, and fails each time.  [I could be confusing the other league, but I don't think so]. 

We've always had the current rule, and I think it's a good rule.  If you are into the player enough (as I was with Mirotic for 2+ years), you keep an open roster spot.  If the player isn't that important, you drop (or don't draft him).

That's just my 2 cents.

I guess I don't really see the upside here. Why not allow teams to invest in Euros? Why make them keep a guy rostered?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 06, 2015, 03:11:13 PM
Let me add a generic comment/reminder to Yall Hates' comments:

I'll encourage everyone to keep in mind that in addition to the July dust-up/meltdown that cost us a GM, our commish had some offline real-life issues that kept him absent for ~a month then led him to having to ultimately step down.

Our replacement GM, Eja, has had to scramble to organize the draft and get teh Yahoo! league set up, and take a vote on the IL spot that Yahoo! has made available this year.

Additional changes to the constitution may be raised --- but I think given the special circumstances the league has faced this summer we should all try and assist Eja as much as possible with the timelines.

If people can generally live with things the way they are -- even if it makes for some tough roster decisions -- I'd suggest leaving all discussion of changes until after the season starts: when Eja's work as commish largely subsides.


THIS IS IN NO WAY MEANT TO SUGGEST FOLKS SHOULDN'T SHARE OR DEBATE IDEAS
, just saying to keep in mind that Eja has ~ 2-3 weeks to get all 20 teams' rosters in and set so that waviers can happen before the first games.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 06, 2015, 03:18:13 PM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?

Yes they count toward the 16 rostered players

Hmm.

Posted this on the yahoo board as well:

Quote
The way I understand it, if I want to retain a players' rights that I drafted (in fairness, eja drafted, because I'm a forgetful idiot), and that player waits a few years to come over to the NBA, I have to keep him rostered as one of my active players.

Can we change this to just make it, if they're playing in the NBA, they're playing in the CBPL, if they're not, then they can be retained without costing a roster spot?

I would say this type of rule would need to be proposed pre draft

I understand the reasoning there. If I would've known it were a rule, I would've brought it up.

As I said on Yahoo --- it's been proposed a fair amount, and fails each time.  [I could be confusing the other league, but I don't think so]. 

We've always had the current rule, and I think it's a good rule.  If you are into the player enough (as I was with Mirotic for 2+ years), you keep an open roster spot.  If the player isn't that important, you drop (or don't draft him).

That's just my 2 cents.

I guess I don't really see the upside here. Why not allow teams to invest in Euros? Why make them keep a guy rostered?

IIRC, IP i think the 2 issues at play here are:

1. The rule has been thus historically (guys like Saric, Rubio, Mirotic to stay on roster to remain on your team) --- and teams have drafted, built teams accordingly. So any change would have to be for the next full cycle of adds.

In a dynasty league like this "stashing euros" changes the use and value of draft picks for teams otherwise without room to add a drafted player.


2. More specifically the argument against stashing euros (which I've generally sided with) has been about (a) not increasing the work for the commish (who would have to track these non-roster guys), (b) making for tough rosters decisions on guys like Mirotic, Saric, etc. and (c) not thinning out the waiver pool on the years these guys enter the league --- guys like Datome and Papinikolou are availble as waiver wire adds.

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 06, 2015, 04:07:07 PM
So..Euros.

Do they count on my roster? can we hold players' rights?

Yes they count toward the 16 rostered players

Hmm.

Posted this on the yahoo board as well:

Quote
The way I understand it, if I want to retain a players' rights that I drafted (in fairness, eja drafted, because I'm a forgetful idiot), and that player waits a few years to come over to the NBA, I have to keep him rostered as one of my active players.

Can we change this to just make it, if they're playing in the NBA, they're playing in the CBPL, if they're not, then they can be retained without costing a roster spot?

I would say this type of rule would need to be proposed pre draft

I understand the reasoning there. If I would've known it were a rule, I would've brought it up.

As I said on Yahoo --- it's been proposed a fair amount, and fails each time.  [I could be confusing the other league, but I don't think so]. 

We've always had the current rule, and I think it's a good rule.  If you are into the player enough (as I was with Mirotic for 2+ years), you keep an open roster spot.  If the player isn't that important, you drop (or don't draft him).

That's just my 2 cents.

I guess I don't really see the upside here. Why not allow teams to invest in Euros? Why make them keep a guy rostered?

IIRC, IP i think the 2 issues at play here are:

1. The rule has been thus historically (guys like Saric, Rubio, Mirotic to stay on roster to remain on your team) --- and teams have drafted, built teams accordingly. So any change would have to be for the next full cycle of adds.

Bleh. Yeah it probably does.

Quote
In a dynasty league like this "stashing euros" changes the use and value of draft picks for teams otherwise without room to add a drafted player.

How is that not a positive though? Its fun to speculate about how your Euros will fare when they come over.


Quote
2. More specifically the argument against stashing euros (which I've generally sided with) has been about (a) not increasing the work for the commish (who would have to track these non-roster guys)

I can say with a good amount of certainty that logging euro players is NOT a big deal. I'll even do it. One spreadsheet, one audit before cuts, bada-bing. Done.

Quote
(b) making for tough rosters decisions on guys like Mirotic, Saric, etc. and (c) not thinning out the waiver pool on the years these guys enter the league --- guys like Datome and Papinikolou are availble as waiver wire adds

Well this I have the biggest problem with.

1) Why should the waiver wire have great options to start the season?
-If its about getting in new talent while old talent leaves, shouldn't the draft pretty much cover that?

2) The only teams that will really benefit are the teams who finished at the top of the league anyways, and in a lot of years as currently constructed, the waiver wire situation will be worth MORE than any 2nd round pick.

I dunno, whatever. I really disagree with this rule, but I only encountered it because I forgot about the draft, so take from that what you will.

I do think it should be changed though. Its a fun new facet to the game, especially for teams that take a longer-view rebuild approach.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 06, 2015, 04:33:06 PM
a good back and forth --- as one GM, i'm open minded about the idea for the future, but am also sharing my reservations...

In a dynasty league like this "stashing euros" changes the use and value of draft picks for teams otherwise without room to add a drafted player.

How is that not a positive though? Its fun to speculate about how your Euros will fare when they come over.


I was just raising this point vis-a-vis making the change now, a week after the draft, instead of making it now for NEXT year's draft.

I actually agree that this is the thing that is the biggest positive argument for the change IMO.



2. More specifically the argument against stashing euros (which I've generally sided with) has been about (a) not increasing the work for the commish (who would have to track these non-roster guys)

I can say with a good amount of certainty that logging euro players is NOT a big deal. I'll even do it. One spreadsheet, one audit before cuts, bada-bing. Done.

Agreed its a minor point that should have been (c) instead of (a). Duly noted that you're volunteering  :D 
(and that you're signing up for the whining and name-calling that comes from less-ubuntu GMs while keeping up said list)



(b) making for tough rosters decisions on guys like Mirotic, Saric, etc. and (c) not thinning out the waiver pool on the years these guys enter the league --- guys like Datome and Papinikolou are availble as waiver wire adds

Well this I have the biggest problem with.

1) Why should the waiver wire have great options to start the season?
-If its about getting in new talent while old talent leaves, shouldn't the draft pretty much cover that?

2) The only teams that will really benefit are the teams who finished at the top of the league anyways, and in a lot of years as currently constructed, the waiver wire situation will be worth MORE than any 2nd round pick.

I dunno, whatever. I really disagree with this rule, but I only encountered it because I forgot about the draft, so take from that what you will.

I do think it should be changed though. Its a fun new facet to the game, especially for teams that take a longer-view rebuild approach.

I think the resistance to "shallowing" the waiver wire pool has been that in a league already this deep its nice to have those 2-3 extra guys each year.

It's true that to some degree the initial waiver adds benefit the better teams to a degree --- but they'll have to drop a player to get a player so arguably they're adding to the FA pool as the better/deeper teams. This acts as a counterbalance too to those #30-40 picks being less valuable.

The unintended consequence of the rule change you're suggesting is the main reason I've been opposed to it: It allows the top teams to stockpile lottery tickets each year via those #30-40 picks in the form of "future Spurs" (like Splitter or Multinov, etc), while other teams have to burn roster spots on in-the-NBA-prospects like James Young (sorry Mk), et al.

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 06, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
UF send: Mike Muscala, Walter "Edy" Tavares, and Thanasis Antetokounmpo

TB sends: Jeremy Lamb and CJ Watson

Come on guys! In the heat of all of these rule debates, my blockbuster trade with Mk got overlooked!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on October 07, 2015, 07:07:11 AM
I've been approached by a couple of people about Rashad Vaughn. He was the second youngest player in the draft. He put up 20, 3, 2 last night while starting for the Bucks. I am entertaining offers, but think I will likely keep him unless I get a future 1st for him.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 07, 2015, 02:25:39 PM
Last chance before Toine's Boys close up the offseason office and make cuts. If you want any or all of the following players, offer any draft pick at all and they are yours:

Arturas Gudaitis

Kostas Papanikolaou

Alexis Ajinca

Michael Beasley
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 07, 2015, 09:23:14 PM
UF send: Mike Muscala, Walter "Edy" Tavares, and Thanasis Antetokounmpo

TB sends: Jeremy Lamb and CJ Watson

Come on guys! In the heat of all of these rule debates, my blockbuster trade with Mk got overlooked!

Edy's looking good tonight in limited minutes.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on October 07, 2015, 09:39:02 PM
UF send: Mike Muscala, Walter "Edy" Tavares, and Thanasis Antetokounmpo

TB sends: Jeremy Lamb and CJ Watson

Come on guys! In the heat of all of these rule debates, my blockbuster trade with Mk got overlooked!
D-Leaguers for D-Leaguers basically
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 07, 2015, 09:41:25 PM
UF send: Mike Muscala, Walter "Edy" Tavares, and Thanasis Antetokounmpo

TB sends: Jeremy Lamb and CJ Watson

Come on guys! In the heat of all of these rule debates, my blockbuster trade with Mk got overlooked!
D-Leaguers for D-Leaguers basically

D-Leagur stats count right?

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 07, 2015, 09:45:42 PM
UF send: Mike Muscala, Walter "Edy" Tavares, and Thanasis Antetokounmpo

TB sends: Jeremy Lamb and CJ Watson

Come on guys! In the heat of all of these rule debates, my blockbuster trade with Mk got overlooked!

Edy's looking good tonight in limited minutes.

Mk



Yep! Edy looks great tonight, although in short minutes, but 10 points on 5-5 shooting with 2 steals in about 10 minutes is very promising.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 07, 2015, 09:46:52 PM
UF send: Mike Muscala, Walter "Edy" Tavares, and Thanasis Antetokounmpo

TB sends: Jeremy Lamb and CJ Watson

Come on guys! In the heat of all of these rule debates, my blockbuster trade with Mk got overlooked!
D-Leaguers for D-Leaguers basically

Lamb is legitimately competing for a starting spot, and Muscala has already earned a rotation spot.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 07, 2015, 10:42:41 PM
Toine's Boys final offseason roster (cut to 16)

Tyler Ennis
Isaiah Canaan
Perry Jones
Mike Muscala
James Young
Kelly Oubre
Joel Embiid
Adreian Payne
Dario Saric
Damien Inglis
Jerami Grant
Thanasis Andentokoumpo
Sam Dekker
Chris McCullough
Robert Upshaw
Walter Tavares

Cut:

Alexis Ajinca
Kostas Papanikolaou
Michael Beasley
Arturas Gudaitis
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 08, 2015, 08:23:42 AM
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/54054731.jpg)


Remember all those times you were like, "I wish I could cash in all these prospects for an elite player just entering his prime, but no one is #$%%% enough to make a trade like that, right?"


Well, someone is #%!% enough to make that trade, the UF!!!!!


For a limited time, one of my normally untouchable players is available in a trade. The only catch is that I am not going to tell you which one, but I will give you a hint that should make it super easy to figure out, "Starcraft".




Sure, We Can Talk
James Ennis
Will Barton
Greivis Vasquez
Archie Goodwin
C.J. Watson



Available, But Come Real!
Jeremy Lamb
Robert Covington
Lance Stephenson
Cody Zeller
Kelly Olynyk




Not Available, Unless You Are Dealing In Diamonds
Dennis Schröder
Nikola Jokic
Rudy Gobert
Andre Drummond
Elfrid Payton
Marcus Smart
Gordon Hayward

Mk


P.S. This may or may not be me right now

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/55203170.jpg)


EDIT:


P.P.S. Here's a hint:

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kk7Sloy7F28/maxresdefault.jpg)


EDIT:


P.P.P.S. Your too late.

(https://images.rapgenius.com/8de2a2094b62b9dc94b20b7f87ba53e6.500x240x17.gif)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 08, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
Ok, so we have a Clockwork Orange meme, which means this league is definitely headed to good places under my rule leadership.

It seems like we are having some very productive philosophical discussions. I have added just a little in yahoo.

I think it may be better to have our arguments discussions in yahoo
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 08, 2015, 07:08:04 PM
Utah Flash send: Gordon Hayward

Lucky's Strikes: Stanley Johnson & Willie Cauley-Stein

Good...good...
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 08, 2015, 07:58:36 PM
Utah Flash send: Gordon Hayward

Lucky's Strikes: Stanley Johnson & Willie Cauley-Stein

Good...good...

Wow, I feel like that's a way worse package than what I offered
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 08, 2015, 08:19:32 PM
Utah Flash send: Gordon Hayward

Lucky's Strikes: Stanley Johnson & Willie Cauley-Stein

Good...good...



Wow, great trade for Mk imo.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 08, 2015, 08:42:30 PM
Utah Flash send: Gordon Hayward

Lucky's Strikes: Stanley Johnson & Willie Cauley-Stein

Good...good...



Wow, great trade for Mk imo.

Could be. Stanley Johnson, if he's the real deal, makes or breaks the trade. Even if WCS surpasses all expectation, what's his ceiling, DeAndre Jordan?

Gordon Hayward is a binkie of mine, and I think he's ready for a special year.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 08, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
Utah Flash send: Gordon Hayward

Lucky's Strikes: Stanley Johnson & Willie Cauley-Stein

Good...good... God!

Fixed. I'm reluctant to misunderestimate Mk, but I think this is a terrific get for IP.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 08, 2015, 09:34:38 PM
Utah Flash send: Gordon Hayward

Lucky's Strikes: Stanley Johnson & Willie Cauley-Stein

Good...good... God!

Fixed. I'm reluctant to misunderestimate all, but I think this is a terrific get for IP.

Agreed.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 09, 2015, 07:32:43 PM
redacted
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 09, 2015, 08:17:23 PM
redacted

ooh ooh what did I miss? :-)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 09, 2015, 08:54:09 PM
redacted

ooh ooh what did I miss? :-)
I wrote "I am open to trading some players, and not open to trading others. Send me offers for players I want to trade."
Its kind of a joke playing on unspecificity, but i removed it once I saw the messages on the other boards
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 09, 2015, 09:42:13 PM
I know its preseason and all, but so far Walter Tavares' PER is off the charts!


His debut, 11 points, 4 boards, 2 steals, 5-5 FG in 11 minutes.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2015/10/8/9477769/hawks-vs-cavaliers-walter-tavares-debut-development

Game 2 tonight was similar to his debut with 8 points, 6 boards, and a block and assist in 11 minutes.


(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/DzDxOX_SxQGSLyGfKLWVn889sxo=/0x197:2028x1549/709x473/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/47362688/GettyImages-491740946.0.jpg)


Total so far: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block, 1 assist in 22 minutes.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 09, 2015, 10:22:44 PM
Its an interesting sight that although Kanter got a max contract, Adams still remains the starter for the team.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 09, 2015, 10:55:18 PM
I know its preseason and all, but so far Walter Tavares' PER is off the charts!


His debut, 11 points, 4 boards, 2 steals, 5-5 FG in 11 minutes.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2015/10/8/9477769/hawks-vs-cavaliers-walter-tavares-debut-development

Game 2 tonight was similar to his debut with 8 points, 6 boards, and a block and assist in 11 minutes.


(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/DzDxOX_SxQGSLyGfKLWVn889sxo=/0x197:2028x1549/709x473/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/47362688/GettyImages-491740946.0.jpg)


Total so far: 19 points, 10 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block, 1 assist in 22 minutes.


He's going to be a good NBA player. I see a lot of DLeague time this season, but long term the sky is the limit.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 09, 2015, 11:46:50 PM
this guy is going to be amazing one day
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/Psyber_Kayos/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/Psyber_Kayos/media/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png.html)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 10, 2015, 09:52:23 AM
this guy is going to be amazing one day
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/Psyber_Kayos/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/Psyber_Kayos/media/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png.html)

What kills me is the Celtics could have had him, they could have had Tavares, heck, they could have had both of them.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 10, 2015, 10:54:07 AM
this guy is going to be amazing one day
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/Psyber_Kayos/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/Psyber_Kayos/media/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png.html)

What kills me is the Celtics could have had him, they could have had Tavares, heck, they could have had both of them.
they could have had golbert
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 10, 2015, 11:00:57 AM
this guy is going to be amazing one day
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/Psyber_Kayos/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/Psyber_Kayos/media/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png.html)

What kills me is the Celtics could have had him, they could have had Tavares, heck, they could have had both of them.
they could have had golbert



Yep! That darn list is painful !
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 10, 2015, 02:34:46 PM
He may be available for a future first round pick.
(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/dc/4dce3901-469e-5498-aed0-0b0865928754/5466336fc9c09.image.jpg)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 10, 2015, 03:14:17 PM
this guy is going to be amazing one day
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/Psyber_Kayos/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/Psyber_Kayos/media/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png.html)

What kills me is the Celtics could have had him, they could have had Tavares, heck, they could have had both of them.
they could have had golbert

They were also linked to Giannis and Schroder pre-draft. In fact, no one knew ig Giannis was until Danny's brother went to scout him in Greece.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 10, 2015, 03:36:46 PM
this guy is going to be amazing one day
(http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j475/Psyber_Kayos/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png) (http://s1087.photobucket.com/user/Psyber_Kayos/media/Steven%20Adams_zpse5m60ikz.png.html)

What kills me is the Celtics could have had him, they could have had Tavares, heck, they could have had both of them.
they could have had golbert

They were also linked to Giannis and Schroder pre-draft. In fact, no one knew ig Giannis was until Danny's brother went to scout him in Greece.

Mk
I wonder what made Fab pass the eye test for DA. And have those others fail it.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 10, 2015, 04:20:02 PM
He may be available for a future first round pick.
(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/dc/4dce3901-469e-5498-aed0-0b0865928754/5466336fc9c09.image.jpg)

Who is  that
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 10, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
He may be available for a future first round pick.
(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/dc/4dce3901-469e-5498-aed0-0b0865928754/5466336fc9c09.image.jpg)

Who is  that
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/877/971/hi-res-98271047_crop_north.jpg?w=630&h=420&q=75)
 :o :o :o The one and only Lance Thomas. Proud member of the ESPN 400.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 10, 2015, 07:53:10 PM
Today we will see Bobby Portis unleashed in the NBA. With Noah out with injury he will probably be in the starting lineup. Today he will demonstrate as to why I drafted him, and why I advocated taking him #16.
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5591fa1c/turbine/ct-bobby-portis-bulls-spt-0630-20150629)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 11, 2015, 08:22:17 AM
Today we will see Bobby Portis unleashed in the NBA. With Noah out with injury he will probably be in the starting lineup. Today he will demonstrate as to why I drafted him, and why I advocated taking him #16.
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5591fa1c/turbine/ct-bobby-portis-bulls-spt-0630-20150629)


Great call here. Portis was very good again.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 11, 2015, 11:37:52 AM
Today we will see Bobby Portis unleashed in the NBA. With Noah out with injury he will probably be in the starting lineup. Today he will demonstrate as to why I drafted him, and why I advocated taking him #16.
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5591fa1c/turbine/ct-bobby-portis-bulls-spt-0630-20150629)


Great call here. Portis was very good again.

Mk


Yeah, Portis has looked great in preseason so far, great pick. If the celtics didn't have something like 35 good power forwards, I'd be upset that we passed on him. Then again, we have just about as many combo guards too. >:(
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on October 11, 2015, 11:39:31 AM
I took Portis in the H2H league and would had taken him in this league but I needed SGs so I took Booker and Anderson
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on October 11, 2015, 05:14:46 PM
when the cutdown date
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on October 11, 2015, 08:23:32 PM
Okay Im done talking trades and heres my final roster:

Keep:

Kostas Koufas
Kenneth Faried
Noah Vonleh
JJ Hickson
Amare Stoudamire
Tarik Black
Myles Turner
Trey Lyles
Matt Barnes
Shabazz Mohammed
Devin Booker
Justin Anderson
Emmanuel Mudiay
Isaiah Thomas
Patrick Beverly
Marco Bellinelli

DROP;
Boris Diaw
Alan Anderson
Henry Walker
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 12, 2015, 09:09:17 AM
Utah Flash Official Cutdown Roster (16 Playas)
Elfrid Payton
Marcus Smart
Lance Stephenson
Robert Covington
Stanley Johnson
Jeremy Lamb
Andre Drummond
Cody Zeller
Rudy Gobert
Willie Cauley-Stein
Dennis Schröder
Kelly Olynyk
Greivis Vasquez
Nikola Jokic
Will Barton
Archie Goodwin

Cut
C.J. Watson
James Ennis

Y! keepers are set.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 12, 2015, 09:17:18 AM
I only have 16 players on my roster, but I got some odds and ends remaining on the yahoo roster. Should I drop them, or do they get edited later on.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 12, 2015, 09:35:17 AM
I only have 16 players on my roster, but I got some odds and ends remaining on the yahoo roster. Should I drop them, or do they get edited later on.

You can drop them later or now. If you are not planning on making any trade between now and the roster deadline, Thursday 16th. You can post the 16 players who are listed on he google docs here in this thread. Then in Y!, mark the keepers on ur roster, e.g. the players from last year's roster who are still on your team. The others will be dropped automatically when Eja finalizes the rosters after the 16th.

If there are any players on your 16 man google doc roster that u don't want, you can cut them when u post you roster here (you don't have to post 16 players, I poste 12 once) or after the rosters are uploaded into Y!.

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 12, 2015, 10:23:43 AM
I only have 16 players on my roster, but I got some odds and ends remaining on the yahoo roster. Should I drop them, or do they get edited later on.

One additional thing which may be important to you. The team that u took over finished 8th last season. This means, u have the #8 initial waiver wire position. This is important b/c once Eja uploads rosters there is ~2day waiver period. There are always interesting players initially on the wire, e.g. international players, undrafted guys, etc...

These are last year's initial waiver claims:


Oct 28 3:22am       Bojan Bogdanovic    Utah Flash
Oct 28 3:22am       Kostas Papanikolaou ChampKind's X-Tacles
Oct 28 3:22am       Kevin Garnett       Juggernauts   
Oct 28 3:22am       Chris Copeland      Birdman   
Oct 28 3:22am       Donald Sloan        Ubuntu Y'all!
Oct 28 3:22am       Quincy Pondexter    Tyrion's Team   
Oct 28 3:22am       Solomon Hill        Kwhit10
Oct 28 3:22am       Glenn Robinson III  Jackalopes
Oct 28 3:22am       Glen Rice Jr.       Toine's Boys   
Oct 28 3:22am       Alexey Shved        Utah Flash
Oct 28 3:22am       Jimmer Fredette     Tyrion's Team
Oct 28 3:22am       Patty Mills         Kwhit10


Not too impressive, huh? It's not as bad as it looks... really!!!


There are certainly a few interesting players on the waiver wire this season. You may want to put out some claims....Or not, ur #8 waiver position is likely to improve. This may come in handy later in the season b/c GMs always drop some good players.

Even more important than that, throughout the season there will be at least 6-12 really good players scooped up by the opportunistic GMs. Here are a few of the players who were FAs picked up for nothing:

Clint Capela
Jordan Clarkson
Robert Covington
Hassan Whiteside
Thomas Robinson
Mirza Teletovic
Tony Snell
Walter Tavares
Festus Ezeli
Nikola Jokic


To me, the waiver wire has always been better than the rookie draft b/c there can be elite talent, it doesn't cost anything, and you can add as many as u want.

Anyway, this is something to think about.


Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 12, 2015, 11:08:05 AM
I only have 16 players on my roster, but I got some odds and ends remaining on the yahoo roster. Should I drop them, or do they get edited later on.

One additional thing which may be important to you. The team that u took over finished 8th last season. This means, u have the #8 initial waiver wire position. This is important b/c once Eja uploads rosters there is ~2day waiver period. There are always interesting players initially on the wire, e.g. international players, undrafted guys, etc...

These are last year's initial waiver claims:


Oct 28 3:22am       Bojan Bogdanovic    Utah Flash
Oct 28 3:22am       Kostas Papanikolaou ChampKind's X-Tacles
Oct 28 3:22am       Kevin Garnett       Juggernauts   
Oct 28 3:22am       Chris Copeland      Birdman   
Oct 28 3:22am       Donald Sloan        Ubuntu Y'all!
Oct 28 3:22am       Quincy Pondexter    Tyrion's Team   
Oct 28 3:22am       Solomon Hill        Kwhit10
Oct 28 3:22am       Glenn Robinson III  Jackalopes
Oct 28 3:22am       Glen Rice Jr.       Toine's Boys   
Oct 28 3:22am       Alexey Shved        Utah Flash
Oct 28 3:22am       Jimmer Fredette     Tyrion's Team
Oct 28 3:22am       Patty Mills         Kwhit10


Not too impressive, huh? It's not as bad as it looks... really!!!

  • By the end of the season Bogdanovic was by far the best player from this group.
  • Solomon is a good long term prospect.
  • Kostas, Copeland, and Quincy all got hot during the first half of the season and had pretty decent trade value.
  • Alexey "Better Off" Shved was traded IRL a couple of times and had a ton of value once he landed on the Knicks.

There are certainly a few interesting players on the waiver wire this season. You may want to put out some claims....Or not, ur #8 waiver position is likely to improve. This may come in handy later in the season b/c GMs always drop some good players.

Even more important than that, throughout the season there will be at least 6-12 really good players scooped up by the opportunistic GMs. Here are a few of the players who were FAs picked up for nothing:

Clint Capela
Jordan Clarkson
Robert Covington
Hassan Whiteside
Thomas Robinson
Mirza Teletovic
Tony Snell
Walter Tavares
Festus Ezeli
Nikola Jokic


To me, the waiver wire has always been better than the rookie draft b/c there can be elite talent, it doesn't cost anything, and you can add as many as u want.

Anyway, this is something to think about.


Mk


(http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/639c730d-28a4-4cd4-b9c9-04e747e0ffbb/ea67724d-8a16-4884-8276-5d77b5d486d1.gif)

Mr. Sloan averaged 25.6 fp's over that first month for us Ubuntu Y'alls! Mk gives us no respect... Maybe I should change my team name to The Morrows Y'all!

(who would be so crazy to drop Jordan Clarkson?!? For Bassy Telfair no less??)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 12, 2015, 06:03:09 PM
Suicide Squad Keepers -

John Wall
Deron Williams
Eric Gordon
Justise Winslow
Danillo Gallinari
David Lee
Nikola Vucevic
Tyson Chandler
Carlos Boozer
Steven Adams
Marcus Morris
Aaron Brooks
Jamal Crawford
Lance Thomas
Bobby Portis
Darren Collison
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 12, 2015, 09:18:33 PM
For people that have announced cuts I will maybe code them red on the spreadsheet for now
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 12, 2015, 11:08:21 PM
The 2015-16 Ubuntu Y'all cutdown roster:
------------
Mike Conley
C.J. Miles
David West
Delon Wright
DeMarcus Cousins
Goran Dragic
Jarrett Jack
Joe Johnson
Jose Calderon
Kevon Looney
Manu Ginobili
Pau Gasol
Paul Millsap
Reggie Jackson
Roy Hibbert
Rudy Gay

CUTS:
Justin Hamilton
Steve Novak
Jar Jar Binks (don't remember trading for him but he's on my roster on the spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1spHa96xNsAfynx2ncu_Rrj3FFe8OvbaaPGvGipjotrk/edit#gid=0)...so he's a cut. I woulda kept a Jawa, fwiw.)
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 13, 2015, 10:37:30 AM
2015-16 #Lovetotrade

#Lovetotrade
LaMarcus Aldridge
Shane Larkin
Bradley Beal
Mario Chalmers
Dante Cunningham
Tyler Hansbrough
Ryan Kelly
Ian Mahinmi
Marc Gasol
Zach LaVine
Glen Davis
ShaunLivingston
Rajon Rondo
Shabazz Napier
Chris Paul
Mirza Teletovic
Rakeem Christmas


Cut:
Ryan Kelly
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 13, 2015, 11:34:46 AM
I have no idea how on Earth you can cut Jar Jar Binks, even if you have to wait a couple years for him to arrive from Naboo. But it's your crazy team
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on October 13, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
My team is under the limit, so no cuts. 

Position   Player
PG   Kyrie Irving
PG   George Hill
SG   Kevin Martin
SG   Trevor Ariza
SF   Kawhi Leonard
SF   Luol Deng
PF   Ryan Anderson
PF   Nikola Mirotic
C   Kevin Love
C   John Henson
Util   Blake Griffin

BENCH   Mo Williams
Bench   Bismack Biyombo
BENCH   Rashad Vaughn
BENCH   Iman Shumpert
BENCH     _____________
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 13, 2015, 12:49:53 PM
Cuts (ongoing):
Jason Richardson
Eric Moreland
Vince Carter
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 13, 2015, 01:02:18 PM
Still looking for a good SG/SF type.  Got my #1 in 2016 to play with along with a surplus of pg's and PF/C
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on October 13, 2015, 01:30:47 PM
I have no idea how on Earth you can cut Jar Jar Binks, even if you have to wait a couple years for him to arrive from Naboo. But it's your crazy team


Yeah, I knew GC's foreign player scouting was great, but darn! that's out of this world  ;D
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: 33-00-32 on October 13, 2015, 03:52:04 PM
Bada Bing cuts:

Louis Amundson
Spencer Dinwiddie
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on October 14, 2015, 10:18:59 AM
I've been approached by a couple of people about Rashad Vaughn. He was the second youngest player in the draft. He put up 20, 3, 2 last night while starting for the Bucks. I am entertaining offers, but think I will likely keep him unless I get a future 1st for him.

19 more last night. [small sample size - 3 games] The kid (2nd youngest player in NBA) is now averaging 16.7 ppg while shooting over 51%. Sweet.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Kwhit10 on October 14, 2015, 12:56:20 PM
Kwhit 16 man roster:

LeBron James
Al Horford
Paul George
Greg Monroe
Nic Batum
Ed Davis
Bojan Bogdanovic
Alec Burks
Brandon Jennings
Patty Mills
Solomon Hill
Mo Harkless
Reggie Bullock
Montrezl Harrell
Evan Turner
KJ McDaniels

Cut:
Thomas Robinson
Cole Aldrich
Lavoy Allen
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on October 14, 2015, 01:16:58 PM
Now available:
DWill
Tyson Chandler
JCrossover
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 14, 2015, 05:07:44 PM
The following GMs need to make cuts still by my count

Webskins
Dirty Diggs
Brahma Bull
MMSB
Lucky Strikes
Juggs
Champkinds
Pitts
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Kane3387 on October 14, 2015, 06:18:32 PM
Webskins cut Gerald green. Putting my roster at 16.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: celtsrp33 on October 14, 2015, 06:26:59 PM
MMSB ROSTER

Trey Burke
Evan Fournier
Rodney Stuckey
Tony Snell
Tim Hardaway Jr.
Derrick Williams
Tyus Jones
Henry Sims
Andrea Bargnani
Mitch McGary
Jordan Adams
Jusuf Nurkic
Chase Budinger
Miles Plumlee
Kyle Singler
Omri Casspi

CUTS:
Donald Sloan
Furkan Aldemir
Marvin Williams
Tyler Johnson
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: jayhovaone on October 14, 2015, 07:44:37 PM
Brahma Bull keepers

Ben Mclemore
Patrick Patterson
Terrence Ross
Brandon wright
P.j. Hairston
Ersan Llyasova
Mason Plumlee
D'Angelo Russell
Corey Brewer
Michael Kidd Gilchrist
Jahil Okafor
Kristaps Porzingis
Jerian Grant
Jordan Mickey
Norman Powell
Austin Rivers

CUTS
Markel Brown
Norris cole
J.J. Barea
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Carl Landry
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: BDubs on October 14, 2015, 08:26:48 PM
Juggernauts

 keepers:

PG: Stephen Curry
PG:  Derrick Rose
SG:  Dwyane Wade
SG:  J.J. Redick
SF:  J.R. Smith
SF:  Wesley Matthews
PF:  Serge Ibaka
PF:  Dirk Nowitzki
C:   Al Jefferson
C:   D'Andre Jordan
Utl: Taj Gibson
Bn:  Nick Young
Bn:  Javale McGee
Bn:  Anthony Morrow
Bn:  Ray MacCullum
Bn:  Jameer Nelson
Bn:  whoever I drafted (I don't know who it is the post showing the draft is hard to find)


Cuts:

Tone Allen
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 14, 2015, 08:56:34 PM
Juggernauts

 keepers:

PG: Stephen Curry
PG:  Derrick Rose
SG:  Dwyane Wade
SG:  J.J. Redick
SF:  J.R. Smith
SF:  Wesley Matthews
PF:  Serge Ibaka
PF:  Dirk Nowitzki
C:   Al Jefferson
C:   D'Andre Jordan
Utl: Taj Gibson
Bn:  Nick Young
Bn:  Javale McGee
Bn:  Anthony Morrow
Bn:  Ray MacCullum
Bn:  Jameer Nelson
Bn:  whoever I drafted (I don't know who it is the post showing the draft is hard to find)


Cuts:

Tone Allen
You drafted Jarell Martin
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on October 15, 2015, 08:07:18 AM
Looks like slim pickens on the waiver wire
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: ChampKind on October 15, 2015, 09:40:17 AM
ChampKind's X-Tacles's Players roster for 2015-10-15.

Kyle Lowry Tor - PG
Marcin Gortat Was - C
Kemba Walker Cha - PG
Giannis Antetokounmpo Mil - SF,PF
Dwight Howard Hou - PF,C
Joakim Noah Chi - PF,C
Meyers Leonard Por - PF,C
Lou Williams LAL - PG,SG
Nikola Pekovic Min - C
Paul Pierce LAC - SF,PF
Randy Foye Den - PG,SG
Channing Frye Orl - PF,C
Spencer Hawes Cha - PF,C
Bruno Caboclo Tor - SF
Frank Kaminsky Cha - PF, C
Larry Nance Jr. LAL - PF

Cuts: Anthony Brown, Nene.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 15, 2015, 10:01:42 AM
Probably Keeping:
1 C.J. McCollum
2 Devin Harris
3 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
4 Gordon Hayward
5 Tobias Harris
6 Brandon Bass
7 Jonas Jerebko
8 Jason Thompson
9 Zaza Pachulia
10 Russell Westbrook
11 Terry Rozier
12 Alex Len
13 Jared Dudley
14 Langston Galloway
15 Mario Hezonja

Still Thinking:
16 Guillermo Herangomaez
17 Nikola Milutinov

Cuts:
Vince Carter
Eric Moreland
Jason Richardson
Elijah Millsap
Tayshaun Prince
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 16, 2015, 09:15:07 AM
I've been extremely busy and expect to continue to be for the weekend. I have put up another poll for now. I have been in contact with all GMs regarding cuts
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 16, 2015, 09:48:53 AM
Now that I think about it there has to be a trade moratorium until all the rosters are set in yahoo. Just like the H2H league
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 16, 2015, 10:44:08 AM
I'm cutting:

Guillermo Herangomaez
Nikola Milutinov

And that should take me to 15.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on October 16, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
I'm cutting:

Guillermo Herangomaez
Nikola Milutinov

And that should take me to 15.

You know you only need to get down to 16, right?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 16, 2015, 11:41:38 AM
I'm cutting:

Guillermo Herangomaez
Nikola Milutinov

And that should take me to 15.

You know you only need to get down to 16, right?


(http://media.giphy.com/media/wfIN57po6gA3m/giphy.gif)

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 16, 2015, 01:15:45 PM
I'm cutting:

Guillermo Herangomaez
Nikola Milutinov

And that should take me to 15.

You know you only need to get down to 16, right?

Balls. I did not know that.

If possible I'd like to retain Herangomaez.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on October 16, 2015, 02:44:33 PM
I'm cutting:

Guillermo Herangomaez
Nikola Milutinov

And that should take me to 15.

You know you only need to get down to 16, right?

Balls. I did not know that.

If possible I'd like to retain Herangomaez.

The constitution can be found here:
http://nedyken.com/cbpl/league-constitution/

It contains all sorts of good information on the rules of the league.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2015, 09:46:19 AM
If people could go into yahoo and pick their keepers CAREFULLY that would be good. Thanks
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 17, 2015, 10:05:09 AM
If people could go into yahoo and pick their keepers CAREFULLY that would be good. Thanks

My roster on yahoo is drastically different than my current roster.  How do i select my keepers?
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 17, 2015, 10:22:41 AM
I think maybe up above in blue it says "Select keepers" and then you click on players that you are keeping. I think everyone still has at least half their old roster
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on October 17, 2015, 11:28:37 AM
If people could go into yahoo and pick their keepers CAREFULLY that would be good. Thanks

My roster on yahoo is drastically different than my current roster.  How do i select my keepers?

You should just check the players that are coming back -- even if it's just 3-4 guys.

It saves time for eja to only have to upload the changes to a team's roster.

Of course you also have to have posted your 16 final players here so eja knows who else he has to add.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 17, 2015, 01:32:31 PM
Will do, thanks gentlemen
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 18, 2015, 10:21:42 AM
I have made Monday the keepers deadline so I have Monday to process rosters. So today is the last day to pick keepers
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 18, 2015, 07:51:54 PM
Ok. 16 teams have picked keepers, which is more than I could have asked for. I think I'm just gonna reset the keepers deadline to tonight, so the deadline will be passed. I'll confirm keepers, then do the rosters manually. I'll just do it during the game
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 18, 2015, 08:34:47 PM
ChampKind's X-Tacles's Players roster for 2015-10-15.

Kyle Lowry Tor - PG
Marcin Gortat Was - C
Kemba Walker Cha - PG
Giannis Antetokounmpo Mil - SF,PF
Dwight Howard Hou - PF,C
Joakim Noah Chi - PF,C
Meyers Leonard Por - PF,C
Lou Williams LAL - PG,SG
Nikola Pekovic Min - C
Paul Pierce LAC - SF,PF
Randy Foye Den - PG,SG
Channing Frye Orl - PF,C
Spencer Hawes Cha - PF,C
Bruno Caboclo Tor - SF
Frank Kaminsky Cha - PF, C
Larry Nance Jr. LAL - PF

Cuts: Anthony Brown, Nene.
as fyi on our spreadsheet it shows you also have Larry Sanders. That would bring you to 17. However he isn't in yahoo, so I must consider him your other cut. I don't see a way around that. I suppose if you wanted to cut one other guy and have a space for him hoping against hope he comes back that could be done, but there's nothing i can do in yahoo about this
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 18, 2015, 09:17:27 PM
There have been some minor hiccups on several long time GMs picking keepers. I'm sending out messages just to confirm.

In the end I expect a few mistakes on my own part uploading teams. I think I'm a third done. I will need everyone's eyes on things
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 18, 2015, 10:52:29 PM
Juggernauts

 keepers:

PG: Stephen Curry
PG:  Derrick Rose
SG:  Dwyane Wade
SG:  J.J. Redick
SF:  J.R. Smith
SF:  Wesley Matthews
PF:  Serge Ibaka
PF:  Dirk Nowitzki
C:   Al Jefferson
C:   D'Andre Jordan
Utl: Taj Gibson
Bn:  Nick Young
Bn:  Javale McGee
Bn:  Anthony Morrow
Bn:  Ray MacCullum
Bn:  Jameer Nelson
Bn:  whoever I drafted (I don't know who it is the post showing the draft is hard to find)


Cuts:

Tone Allen
However this gets you to 17 and that's one too many, so now I'm in a position to cut someone for you from your bench. Hard to decide between Jameer Nelson and JaVale McGee. It's a keeper league and JaVale has more upside. So Jameer is out. If anyone knows of any reason I shouldn't do this speak now or forever hold your peace. Or piece. Whatever.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 18, 2015, 11:04:14 PM
Ok. Everybody should have their rosters showing tomorrow. Yahoo set the waivers for Oct 21 I think. So you may want to make your claims asap. I see no reason Oct 21 shouldn't happen. Also I just reset the waiver priority. Yahoo was screwed up on that. don't know why
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on October 18, 2015, 11:09:01 PM
Ok. Everybody should have their rosters showing tomorrow. Yahoo set the waivers for Oct 21 I think. So you may want to make your claims asap. I see no reason Oct 21 shouldn't happen

TP!

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Birdman on October 19, 2015, 06:03:08 AM
Great job eja...TP...you doing a fantastic job
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: BDubs on October 19, 2015, 10:25:35 AM
Juggernauts

 keepers:

PG: Stephen Curry
PG:  Derrick Rose
SG:  Dwyane Wade
SG:  J.J. Redick
SF:  J.R. Smith
SF:  Wesley Matthews
PF:  Serge Ibaka
PF:  Dirk Nowitzki
C:   Al Jefferson
C:   D'Andre Jordan
Utl: Taj Gibson
Bn:  Nick Young
Bn:  Javale McGee
Bn:  Anthony Morrow
Bn:  Ray MacCullum
Bn:  Jameer Nelson
Bn:  whoever I drafted (I don't know who it is the post showing the draft is hard to find)


Cuts:

Tone Allen
However this gets you to 17 and that's one too many, so now I'm in a position to cut someone for you from your bench. Hard to decide between Jameer Nelson and JaVale McGee. It's a keeper league and JaVale has more upside. So Jameer is out. If anyone knows of any reason I shouldn't do this speak now or forever hold your peace. Or piece. Whatever.

I'd rather have my rookie cut. I don't even remember who it is since I missed my pick
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 21, 2015, 01:44:59 PM
Ian Mahinmi tearing it up this preseason,
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 26, 2015, 10:14:13 AM
There are some GMs (in both H2H and Points) that haven't set their rosters. Please get your guys ready and lined up. The season starts tomorrow. Thanks
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 26, 2015, 09:39:55 PM
Ok, so actually 3 out 4 of those guys did set their lineups, I just didn't look ahead.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: indeedproceed on October 26, 2015, 10:30:36 PM
Ok, so actually 3 out 4 of those guys did set their lineups, I just didn't look ahead.

Lol, I was wondering if you were specifically addressing me. I was like, 'I think Tuesday is all taken care of..'
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on October 28, 2015, 04:28:29 PM
Wait. Something's wrong. I'm not getting tons of offers. Nor am I sending many.

Nevertheless....I am very much looking forward to tonight.

We can shortly address the voting/quorum/"majority" issue and leave the poll out as long as we need to.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on October 28, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
Toines Boys #1 pick is on the block, come strong  Ben Simmons
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: yall hate on October 29, 2015, 03:32:47 PM
I can't offer a phenomenal asset like the potential top pick in the draft, but I have some young assets and older assets available.


Young Guys:
Rashad Vaughn (second youngest player in the NBA) - scored 10 points in his debut.
Bismack Biyombo - 7pts, 5 reb and a blk in his first game (and fouled out, lol)
Iman Shumpert - injured
Jarrell Martin - injured.  Graded out very high by Hollinger.  When LSU played Kentucky, Martin put up 21pts, 11 rebounds going against KAT.  KAT put up 12pts and 13 reb.  video analysis: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Karl-Towns-vs-Jarell-Martin-Video-Analysis-4815/  (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Karl-Towns-vs-Jarell-Martin-Video-Analysis-4815/)

Older Guys
Kevin Martin
Trevor Ariza

I'm also willing to listen on John Henson, King Joff, and the 2 first round picks I have.

Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on March 08, 2016, 03:36:53 AM
I appreciate those of you who have reached out to me since this morning. Pretty sure Gainsville would be disappointed if I didn't follow up my banishment with a 20 page essay, so here we go. 

First and foremost, no hard feelings with any of you.  It's just fantasy basketball, afterall.   Contrary to how it might seem, I never took this all that seriously.  Off the top, I just want to acknowledge that everything I did and said in this league was well within the league rules and guidelines.  With the exception of one team (ChampKind), I've made consensual trades with every single team in this league and each one of you was given the same exact opportunities to succeed as I did.  The past Summer when things got heated, the commish at the time (Byennie) asked me to step away from responding on Celticsblog and wait until the Yahoo league was set up.  I complied with his request.  While I completely admit I manipulated you guys into bad trades, it was all within the rules and the spirit of fantasy basketball.  The banishment was a surprise given the timing.  I hadn't made a trade in 2 months, had very little trade discussions leading up to the deadline, there hadn't been any drama in the league since Summer, and as far as I could tell things were pretty quiet.  I received no warning or explanation.  Eja and Byennie ignored every e-mail I sent them today.  Ultimately it doesn't matter why the ax fell weeks before I broke the record.  It is what it is at this point.  I'm genuinely not trying to cause additional drama over it. 

With that out of the way...

Fellas, I've spent the past two years having a blast in this league with you guys and I feel like a proper farewell is appropriate.  I hope you'll take this as good-spirited as I intend it.  I understand there's some bad blood here from some of you so feel free to ignore this post if necessary, but I just wanted to clear the air and have some closure as you guys push on without me.  Two years is a lot of time to invest into a strategy game.  I've made some friendships through this league.  Let me try to close this out right. 

Explanation of my Mindset Heading Into This:
  Part of the reason I visit this forum in the first place is a real love the GM/Trade/Draft aspect of the NBA.  I love fake trade ideas.  I love contemplating the next move.  I've been playing franchise basketball sims for 15+ years (NBA Live, NBA2k, Fast Break Basketball, Draft Day Sports, VirtualGM, etc).  They are fun for a while, but I always run into the same issue... they stop being challenging.  Within a few years, I have a juggernaut that goes 82-0 every year.  At some point, it gets boring so I start over with a crappier team and do it all over again.   Playing with real people is only barely more challenging.  I have won basically every fantasy basketball league I've ever joined over the past decade.  I love pulling off crazy trades.  Inevitably, I upset people.  Happens in almost every league I'm in.  I participated in one of the first CB fantasy leagues back around 2006.  Within a month, I had built by far the most dominant team in the league (Roy Hobbs was 2nd).  I ended up pushing it one trade too far, the commish unfairly vetoed it, and I quit in disgust.   I vowed to never join a CelticsBlog-based fantasy league ever again.   

Since then, I've been asked to join countless leagues based on this forum.  I've probably been asked to join the DKC league about a dozen times from different folks.  I never had interest.   When barefacedmonk reached out to me about this league, I was pretty straight-forward with him.  I told him that I had a tendency to get overzealous in fantasy leagues, burn bridges, etc.  In-fact, this was my actual response to him:

Quote
I would, but I vowed to never again join the CB-based fantasy games. The first year they did the games, I absolutely dominated... I made dozens of trades that effectively gave me unquestionably the best team in the league.  I was taking advantage of people left and right.  Before you knew it, my team was 9 stars deep.  Then I pulled off another killer trade and the commish  tried to veto it.  I caused a huge stink over this... and vowed to never do it again.  Lol

But BFM was persistent.  He explained the premise of the league.  He explained it had been going for 9 years at that point, it was a keeper/dynasty league, I'd be taking over a bottomfeeder team, and that the only drawback was that the league was dominated by two unstoppable teams (Utah and Pitts) that were basically impossible to surpass. 

Impossible?!...

This intrigued me.  Maybe this would actually be a challenge.   Not yet understanding the league, I asked him if it was mathematically possible for my team to win the title THAT year.  He said no.  Understand that at this point, I was driving the tank bandwagon for the 2013-14 Boston Celtics on this forum... with that epic 2014 Draft coming I really wanted to see the Celtics bottom out and go full youth movement.  Suddenly, this Lucky17 Points League sounded pretty awesome.  Maybe I could amass a ton of draft picks and youth, have a real challenge against established teams, and follow the full-on tank movement I desperately wanted the Celtics to try.   So I signed up. 

In Defense of my Strategy:  I knew from the start that I'd tank two full seasons, try desperately to land a couple cornerstone prospects, and then after year 2 of the tankjob, figure out who were long-term keepers and trade the rest for veterans that could help me win immediately.   But I also knew that the league was filled with some cutt-throat members.  Barefacedmonk had warned me before I even joined that I should watch out for Pitts and Utah, as they had a tendency to win every trade they made.  This got me jazzed up.   A non-money league with some real gamers?  I was pumped!  I dove in head-first.  Yes, I oversold guys I thought were garbage... that was part of the game.  Yes, I undersold guys I wanted... that was part of the game.  I postured about my position.  I caused bidding wars at every opportunity even when other bidders didn't exist.   I created fake press releases as a pseudo-media, fabricated rumors to create trade hysteria, manipulated discussions and kept the focus on my team... The more the focus was on my team, the more my team could be involved in discussions.  Eja nailed it when he compared me to Trump.  It was accurate.  Talk a lot, say some outlandish stuff, keep your name in the presses and you'll find yourself front and center in everything.  Also, while I was diligent in making sure the rules were very transparent and public (it wouldn't be fun to win if I had an unfair advantage), I most definitely exploited aspects of the rules that were little understood - such as adjusted standings.  This allowed me to do things like trade a #10 projected pick for a #8 and #15 projected pick.  If my opponents were too lazy to keep a daily spreadsheet, you best believe I was going to exploit that.   Every trade I made was by the book.   Every comment/discussion I participated in had an ulterior motive.   I wanted to build a winner.  I wanted to compete with Utah and Pitts.   BFM told me it was impossible.  People were ready to quit the league when I joined, because the league was so top-heavy.  I wanted pretty badly to defy those expectations.

But alas, I ran into some of the same pitfalls these leagues always run into.  Any league that allows members to vote on vetoes is essentially doomed... and I suspect that 98% of the drama I've been involved with in this league was rooted in that.  Veto campaigning was a real issue in this league.  Too often teams were causing flame wars over trades they were jealous over.  Too often teams were forced to defend their trades out of fear for the veto hammer and end up fanning those flames.  As my team pulled 300+ trades in my short time here - most of them landslide victories for my team - it inevitably lead to drama.   There were also a couple members of the league who saw my team for the threat it was, and cleverly played the political angle trying to sway public opinion away from me.  I actually appreciated that, as it added to the challenge.   Kevin and Pitts in particular were masterful at it. 

So yes, I burned bridges.  I always had the best of intentions, though.  I tried to make it fun.  I tried to keep others engaged.  It may have been misguided (like in the case of the Flutter feed or the tourneys), but I tried my best to help this league be awesome.  I just wanted to reach the top of the mountain and didn't want to see this league fold before I got there.   

The situation with BFM this Summer was truly unfortunate.  He took it too far.  Anyone who has seen some of the PM's he sent me during that time knows this.  I honestly did NOT try to get him banned.  A CB mod saw our blow-out, reached out to both of us separately, and BFM proceeded to get himself banned from the forum.  As byennie mentioned this summer, BFM was given every opportunity to stay in the league and was disrespectful and insulting to the point he needed to be removed.   If I had it my way, he'd still be here.  I really would have loved for him to see my team do the impossible.  He recruited me, after-all. 

Reaching the Top:


So now 2 years after joining, I have built what is indisputably the greatest team this league will ever see.  It's on the verge of breaking the all-time record and dominating this season by a pretty wide margin.  It also has an average age of 24 years old with only 1 starter (Rondo) 30 years old.  I honestly was probably going to quit at the end of this season anyways.  The last two months have been boring.  There was no challenge left.  It wouldn't have been much fun to just sit on top winning championships every year.   I kept waiting for Ubuntu and Pitts to pull off huge deadline deals to narrow the gap.  Honestly, I half expected one of them to concede by sending the other quality vets in an effort to dethrone me.  When the deadline came and went without a single move, it felt like the journey was basically over.  I did it.  Now what?  *sigh*  I took a lot of smack talk from some of you guys over the past two years.  Plenty of people calling my players "Fools Bronze" and claiming my assets were garbage.  It was clear a lot of you guys were ignoring me when I posted 551 points in a single day.  So I figured I'd boast a little.  I was at the top, probably leaving at the end of the year... might as well gloat about my accomplishment.   As far as I can tell, this is what was considered the final straw for some of you.  That's unfortunate, seeing as there is literally a section of the league called "SMACK TALK", good natured bragging has never been against the rules, and talking smack has always been a part of fantasy basketball leagues.   But if that's what did it, so be it.   I just wish byennie/eja would have warned me about this so I could have avoided it... as I did this Summer when I dutifully went silent on CB.

My Farewells to Each of you:

Genuinely, this is the most fun I've ever had in a basketball-based fantasy game.  I loved every second of it aside from getting stalked and threatened this Summer.   But pulling off the trades and orchestrating heated 6-team deals was a real thrill.  I made some friends in this league that I hope to keep in touch with.  Some of you aren't fond of me and I totally get it.  Whereas I saw Pitts/Utah as a challenge, others might see a dominant Leprechaun team as a fun-sucking impossibility.  I don't blame you for this.  A lot of you are just in it casually and my enthusiasm was overwhelming.  I honestly have no hard feelings with any of you.   

Gainsville - I appreciated your patience.  You brought up valid points about my failing memory when it came to redundant trades.  I took action to prevent that.  I still respect you a lot and hope we see each other around on the forums.

Mkogav - There's no team I wanted to impress more than yours.  I felt like the Kobe to your Jordan.  You had already done this... I wanted to get up there with you.  Respect, man.  Good luck doing it again.

Pitts -   Really loved our Celtic discussions.  I'll really miss talking with you in particular.   You're hilarious.   You and Roy Hobbs are the two best Celtic pen pal I'll ever have.  Thank you for giving me a challenge over the final year.  You're fiercely competitive and it made this a lot of fun.  If everything you said to me was all mind games from you, so be it.  There was nobody else to chat with at 3 in the morning.  You consistently cracked me up. 
 
Harry/MMSB - I really dig both of you guys and had some really fun discussions with both of you along the way.  I lump you together, because I almost feel bad about how badly I destroyed your teams through trades.  At this point, my worst player would be the best on either of your teams...  If you voted for me to be removed, because you felt like you were taken advantage of, I can't really blame you.  I can't really deny it.  Harry, in particular, I'm sorry about Embiid... I honestly think he has a real future.   Rick, you got hit with some really awful bad luck.  Be careful about trading away your future 1st rounders - they have real value.  You're one of my favorite people in this league though.  I wish you the best.

Birdman - Dude, I freakin love your method of trade discussions.  I don't know if it's intentional, but you somehow were the only one who would get me to consistently bid against myself.  You encouraged multiple trade offers, but never sent counters... so I'd just keep outbidding myself while you ignored me.  You drove me crazy, man.  Good luck with your rebuild.  You're a quality guy.

Ya'll Hate - If anyone has a chance to sneak up on the contenders heading forward, it's you.  One of the best GM's in the game.  You know your stuff.  You're a level-headed guy... great to chat with.  You would have been one of my nominations for commish had it went to a vote. 

Juggs - You never took any nonsense and I appreciated it.  It was really hard to pull of moves with you.  You knew your stuff and weren't going to be played for a fool.  Negotiating with you was fun.  I'm still mad I lost the Kevin Love bidding war, though. 

Brahma - I think people are upset about some of the trades we made, but anyone who has ever tried to trade with you knows how stubborn you are in trade negotations.  I think there was about 5 times where I tried desperately to snag one of your guys... you always gave me your bottom-line up front.  I always tried desperately to get you to back off your bottom-line and you'd never budge.  More than any other team, I found myself just coming back and accepting your original offer.  Best of luck in the lotto.

Kwhit - A straight-shooter and you don't take any of this too seriously.  You were always willing to discuss trades.  Seemed like a fair guy.  You had a way of putting things in perspective.  My girlfriend took me to Red Lobster tonight so I could sob about my fantasy basketball banishment over chedder biscuits and lobsterfest.  This whole thing is ridiculous.  You're right.

IndeedProceed - I've known you for a long time on this blog.  Have always considered you a friend around here.  Glad we can go back to talking about the Celts without posturing over trade discussions.   

Bada Bing - You should have traded me Ty Lawson.  Where you been, man? 

ChampKind - I think you've literally made 1 trade in the two years since I've joined this league.  You clearly weren't having fun.   I hope my departure will make it fun for you again.

#Lovetotrade - Kev, I've said numerous times you're one of the best GM's in this game.  Consistently impressed.  You're also a master manipulator and play mind games, but you do it sneaky quiet... which I could never do.  Tons of respect for you.  Congrats on your writing gig.   

Eja - Before you made yourself commish, I never took you too seriously when you'd snap at me or say I was banished from making trade offers to you.  I always kind of thought you were kidding around.  Every once in a while, it seemed like we got along pretty well.  I could sense something was up when the Parker/Okafor trade was vetoed in record time with very little discussion, but the literal banishment this morning was definitely a shock.  I do wish you would have reached out to me and found a better resolution... at least let me finish out the season.  But for what it's worth, I think for the most part, you've done a pretty solid job as commissioner.       

Suicide Squad - You know your stuff man.  You'll do well in this league.  You got flack for the David Lee trade, but ended up actually winning that one.  Thanks again for the posters/signatures.  I'm pretty impressed with your photoshop skills.

Byennie - Wish I had heard from you on some of this stuff.  Technically, you're still lead commish in this league and as far as I can tell, you didn't make a single comment on any of this publicly or privately.  But we've been told you've been dealing with some important life stuff... so no hard feelings, man.  Sorry about this Summer.  Thanks for your patience.

Diggles - See, I told you Aaron Gordon was going to be a stud.   I regret that trade so hard.   Good luck, Jay.   Hang onto Gordon for dear life.   He's got high 40s potential.  Sorry about Bennett and Shved, though... those guys suck.   Had a lot of fun chatting with you, man.   Good luck.


Wrap Up the Quest for the Record:

So, I tried reaching out to eja, but he doesn't seem too interested in talking to me.  The timing of this was peculiar and felt a bit unnecessary to me given that no rules were ever broken I did nothing to really warrant it, but it is what it is.   I would have liked to have at least seen my team through the end of this season.  Utah's record is 32019.29 points (35.49fp average) and my team is currently sitting with a 35.36fp average.  But with my team posting daily averages 40+, it seems like it could very well break the record.   Without being able to set my lineups properly, that probably goes away.  With guys like Lillard, Hayward and Russell sitting on my bench Tuesday and no way to insert them into the lineup, it kind of asterisks anything that happens from here on out.   Even if you immediately replace me, the replacement likely will not understand the max game strategy and end up inserting guys like Porter and Zaza into the line-up (both who are struggling) which would damage the final point potential.    Mostly, I'm just curious to see if I would have actually pulled it off.   I invested 2 years into this game... I don't really have interest in sitting on the Throne for the next 20 years of inevitable championships, but I do at least want to see if I succeeded in pulling off what BFM called "impossible".   Will I break Utah's record or not?   Without being able to set the lineup, we might never know.   That doesn't sit right with me...

So for what it's worth,  if letting me set my lineups for the remainder of the season is not an option, I'm going to just keep a daily spreadsheet for the remainder of the season to see if I did in-fact break the record.   Considering I only have about 20-29 games left to play at each position, my season should officially be over in a few weeks either way.   You're all welcome to follow my progress in a public spreadsheet:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/93af33f89d274e589df6438657273553

That way, you can put my actual final point total in the record books.   Best of luck everyone. 

TL;DR:  Thanks guys.  It's been a blast.  Here's hoping I break the single-season record:  http://publish.smartsheet.com/93af33f89d274e589df6438657273553
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on April 13, 2016, 09:00:09 PM
On the last day of the season I just wanna say thank you all for a great season.  One that saw me catapult up to 5th place!  :)


It was an eventful season but very glad to be a part of it.  Next year if gasol comes back healthy I'm shooting for first!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on April 14, 2016, 10:53:48 AM
On the last day of the season I just wanna say thank you all for a great season.  One that saw me catapult up to 5th place!  :)


It was an eventful season but very glad to be a part of it.  Next year if gasol comes back healthy I'm shooting for first second!

(https://i.imgflip.com/nzv7x.jpg)

Mk
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: mkogav on April 14, 2016, 10:57:08 AM
While we are on the topic, The Utah Flash front office is open for business!!!


If u would like to discuss any trades, hit me up.

Players
Dennis Schröder
Marcus Smart
Mario Hezonja
Robert Covington
Stanley Johnson
Doug McDermott
Andre Drummond
Willie Cauley-Stein
Rudy Gobert
Nikola Jokic
Elfrid Payton
Kelly Olynyk
Noah Vonleh
Boban Marjanovic
Jeremy Lamb
Sean Kilpatrick
Norris Cole

Picks
2017 UF 1
2017 UF 2


In the meantime, I will do a little...


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Mk





Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Rondo2287 on April 14, 2016, 02:21:45 PM
Many props to Pitts for winning the league, huge comeback over Ubuntu.  I didn't see it coming!
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Gainesville Celtic on April 14, 2016, 03:30:29 PM
Many props to Pitts for winning the league, huge comeback over Ubuntu.  I didn't see it coming!

my team is a bunch of old losers.  :-[
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Eja117 on April 14, 2016, 03:34:26 PM
One of the best seasons I've had in years.
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: LarBrd33 on April 14, 2016, 05:03:47 PM
It was fun, fellas.  Whether you go with the 32,361.60 points I amassed in the spreadsheet or the 32,145.50 points it scored in the league without me being able to set lineups (and finishing with less than 902 games played) - it still managed to break Utah's all-time points record of 32,019.  I always knew Pitts would catch up to 2nd.  Ubuntu was playing at a far faster pace than everyone else and it was only a matter of time until the average point scores dictated the results.

All things considered, I had a blast with you guys and wish you the best of luck.   It'll be fun to see who ends up getting the re-distributed players from my team.   I gotta imagine that draft will be way more interesting than your rookie draft this Summer.   Good luck. 
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: hpantazo on April 14, 2016, 09:26:27 PM
Toine's Boys roster , open for trade talks:

Isaiah Canaan
Joel Embiid
Dario Saric
Archie Goodwin
James Young
Tyler Ennis
Tyler Johnson
Chris Mccullough
Adriene Payne
Sam Dekker
Kelly Oubre
Walter Tavares
Greivis Vasquez
Kendall Marshall
Wilson Chandler
Andrew Nicholson
Gerald Green

Toine's Boys 2017 1st
Toine's Boys 2017 2nd
Title: Re: Lucky17's Yahoo! Points Hoops League: 2015 Offseason REBOOT
Post by: Denis998 on April 14, 2016, 09:43:48 PM
adjusted standings
https://y2j8ig.bn1304.livefilestore.com/y3mazFjoxzWZyvEc5DJ77vYO8YPjZ2ltn8F-976cVvXzdXXhKfbZsUCRLym-HYYbQQ5ZYrL-T24ouSjQjH0oNqiyoI7R13rOo46lnuRVyHxMDQ/cbfl2016seeding.pdf?psid=1

also numbers:
https://y2j8ig.bn1304.livefilestore.com/y3me37KGBdHN_Qt62bTWVOnutoS8-6Uo274DEJfnqH9rYCRo7okl3K0J-NgSFHlN3ans9l_lchxhp61ojd9L4zevHXLox78O2ViD5ZfoZkTibk/cbfl2016seeding2.pdf?psid=1