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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Beat LA on May 01, 2015, 04:30:57 AM
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Tyler Harvey aside, because a thread has already been devoted to him, who are the players out there who you think we should know more about, and potentially draft? I'll start -
1). The teammate of Troy Brown, Chasson Randle, from Stanford. If there's anyone on that team who deserves a look, it's him, imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqTDfsM2qI4
2). Rashad Vaughn, UNLV. On the plus side, he's a 6'6", 210 lbs, 18 year old freshman who averaged 17.8 ppg on .439 fg%, .383 3P%, and .694 ft% (okay, so the last stat isn't that great, lol ;D) for the runnin' rebels. On the downside, his wingspan is only 6'6". I haven't been able to find many clips of the guy, so if anyone has seen him play, could you describe him for us? Thanks :).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2dFG4M3wyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze9S8tShORs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjBoUE42_AU
3). Ryan Boatright, Uconn. He's a mix of AB (with the way that he pressures guards) and Isaiah Thomas (as far as loving the big moment), to me, and he would be the perfect replacement for the latter, imo. Boatright is either 5'11.5" or 6'0", depending on which site you visit, lol ;D, and although he is smaller than the average NBA player, he is not nearly the defensive liability that Thomas is, imo. There are numerous clips of him on youtube.
4). Olivier Hanlan, BC. NBADraft.net compares him to CJ McCollum, but in all honesty, I don't see it. Hanlan has had a number of big games, though, like his 41 point performance against Georgia Tech in the ACC Tournament as a freshman :o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkgDghbDXbk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq0mIx-gGHM
5). Terran Petteway, Junior, Nebraska. A huge hat tip to csfansince60s for telling me about this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTx4CImLIeM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osaWyusoMJ8
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Delon Wright
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml8R3MP9jSs
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Ok on Wright. I haven't really watched him but I watched the clip. Can he shoot? I saw the slashing and the D but I saw 1 jump shot in the whole clip which would make me wander if he has a jump shot. Please respond as I have no idea that is what I noticed when I watched the clip.
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Dakari johnson
I think he's a bit of a perfect storm. He was a top 10 guy out of hs so you know he has talent but he doesn't have star potential and teams are so obsessed with findong stars I think that's leaving him underatted. Also being at Kentucky doesn't help as he probably would has started at nearly all other schools.
I think I'd prefer taking a chance at a guy with higher potential but when all is said and done I think he will be better than a lot of guys selected in frot of him.
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Josh Richardson: see this excellent writeup (including highlight vid): http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/ (http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/)
He is an athletic 3 and D prospect with some offensive versatility to work with too. A 6'6 wing. As a junior, he utterly dominated in the tournament and led his 11th-seed Tennessee Volunteers to an upset sweet 16 appearance.
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Delon Wright
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ml8R3MP9jSs
I wasn't aware that he was still under the radar, lol ;D, and I was surprised that he didn't come out last year. I think if he's there at 16, you probably have to take him, even though this contradicts what I said previously about taking Tyler Harvey at said spot, haha ;D. While I'm not sure about Wright's 'superstar potential,' how many guards can average over a block a game for their college career? What makes that feat even more amazing, imo, is that Wright isn't even that long - his wingspan is only 6'7". Does he remind you of anyone in particular?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDbDBZ2xFUY
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Josh Richardson: see this excellent writeup (including highlight vid): http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/ (http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/)
He is an athletic 3 and D prospect with some offensive versatility to work with too. A 6'6 wing. As a junior, he utterly dominated in the tournament and led his 11th-seed Tennessee Volunteers to an upset sweet 16 appearance.
I wanted to see if anyone would mention him before I was going to do so, today, so TP. I like him a lot. His defensive versatility of being able to guard positions 1-3 reminds me of Jimmy Butler, as does Richardson's tenacity. I do think that he's more than a 3 and D guy, though, because, as you can see from this clip (and judging by your post about him I take it that you've already seen enough of him, anyway), he can create and hit from midrange and take it to the basket with either hand. I'd take him at 45, unless there was a better player available. He might not even get drafted. Man, if only we had those 8 second round picks this year, lol ;D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_PRlNNgIc
Btw, is it just me, or does his form look like Wes Matthews', from the 80s?
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Aaron White very efficient player l. Iwould like Cs to get him with their last 2nd rounder. Not a star but solid role player.
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Josh Richardson: see this excellent writeup (including highlight vid): http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/ (http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/)
He is an athletic 3 and D prospect with some offensive versatility to work with too. A 6'6 wing. As a junior, he utterly dominated in the tournament and led his 11th-seed Tennessee Volunteers to an upset sweet 16 appearance.
I wanted to see if anyone would mention him before I was going to do so, today, so TP. I like him a lot. His defensive versatility of being able to guard positions 1-3 reminds me of Jimmy Butler, as does Richardson's tenacity. I do think that he's more than a 3 and D guy, though, because, as you can see from this clip (and judging by your post about him I take it that you've already seen enough of him, anyway), he can create and hit from midrange and take it to the basket with either hand. I'd take him at 45, unless there was a better player available. He might not even get drafted. Man, if only we had those 8 second round picks this year, lol ;D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_PRlNNgIc
Btw, is it just me, or does his form look like Wes Matthews', from the 80s?
Glad you like him too! I think he's worth taking with the Clippers' pick, although there could be even better value available (and ideally I'd trade up for RHJ). He doesn't strike me as someone you run plays for at this level, as his offensive talent level is great for someone so unheralded but not as dominant as most NBA starters would be at his age (he is a young senior). But 3&D&transition&other complementary offense is a valuable mold, and he can be great in that role.
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TP to the OP for the thread and the shout-out.
Given the slots we're picking at, this thread deserves multiple hits and pages for its relevancy to our situation in having to take chances with our picks.
Harvey (good call, Beat LA) , Pettaway, Luwawu and Tokoto all interest me.
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Cliff Alexander would b a great pick late in draft. If we also can grab Upshaw in 2nd I'd say alone that's a good draft. Upshaw can play now and is prob longer than when he was measured 4 years ago.
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Jarell Martin and tyler harvey
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Upshaw would look great on a 2nd round deal with something to prove/earn.
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Josh Richardson: see this excellent writeup (including highlight vid): http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/ (http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/)
He is an athletic 3 and D prospect with some offensive versatility to work with too. A 6'6 wing. As a junior, he utterly dominated in the tournament and led his 11th-seed Tennessee Volunteers to an upset sweet 16 appearance.
I wanted to see if anyone would mention him before I was going to do so, today, so TP. I like him a lot. His defensive versatility of being able to guard positions 1-3 reminds me of Jimmy Butler, as does Richardson's tenacity. I do think that he's more than a 3 and D guy, though, because, as you can see from this clip (and judging by your post about him I take it that you've already seen enough of him, anyway), he can create and hit from midrange and take it to the basket with either hand. I'd take him at 45, unless there was a better player available. He might not even get drafted. Man, if only we had those 8 second round picks this year, lol ;D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_PRlNNgIc
Btw, is it just me, or does his form look like Wes Matthews', from the 80s?
Glad you like him too! I think he's worth taking with the Clippers' pick, although there could be even better value available (and ideally I'd trade up for RHJ). He doesn't strike me as someone you run plays for at this level, as his offensive talent level is great for someone so unheralded but not as dominant as most NBA starters would be at his age (he is a young senior). But 3&D&transition&other complementary offense is a valuable mold, and he can be great in that role.
Obviously it depends on who's available at that point, but you'd take him that high? The only reason I ask is because we could potentially get him in the second round, if he's even drafted. That's not a knock on him at all, it's just that upperclassmen tend not to be seen as great prospects for some reason, lol ;D.
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Alan Williams out of UC Santa Barbara. Guy is a beast on the glass, which we could definitely use the help in that category. Averaged 17.6 ppg and 12.1 rpg and 1.8 bpg. 6'8, 264 lbs. Watched him play a handful of games this season. If we deal Sully, he will fill right in on the boards.
And I still like Robert Upshaw.
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TP to the OP for the thread and the shout-out.
Given the slots we're picking at, this thread deserves multiple hits and pages for its relevancy to our situation in having to take chances with our picks.
Harvey (good call, Beat LA) , Pettaway, Luwawu and Tokoto all interest me.
Thanks, TP for you, too :). I just looked up JP Tokoto, though, and wasn't impressed by his numbers, but that obviously doesn't tell the whole story. Is there a specific reason why you're interested in him, like, did he have a breakout performance in a big game somewhere that I missed, lol ;D?
I'll say this, though - depending on who's still available, if we could get Delon Wright at 16, Harvey at 28 (which is very dicey, imo, because of teams like the Spurs and Bulls picking ahead of us), Upshaw at 33 (which, again, is definitely not set in stone seeing as Minnesota and Houston, in order, both pick ahead of us, and they both know how to draft), and whoever is left at 45, lol ;D, be that Petteway, Boatright, Dakari Johnson, or Richardson, that's one hell of a draft, imo. I know that we already have too many guards, but we need as much talent as possible. Plus, some of the guys won't work out, and you should never draft for need. I think we need to get a few more second round picks, quite honestly, and then sign whoever isn't drafted, like one, or both, of the Harrison twins, and any of the other guys that have been mentioned so far in this thread. The Lakers signed Jabari Brown and Roscoe Smith after last year's draft, and the former has proven that he can play in the NBA, and we have to do the same if we want to be successful, imo. It's not like we already have even one proven star, let alone a foundation of some sort in place, so leave no stone unturned, lol ;D!
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Alan Williams out of UC Santa Barbara. Guy is a beast on the glass, which we could definitely use the help in that category. Averaged 17.6 ppg and 12.1 rpg and 1.8 bpg. 6'8, 264 lbs. Watched him play a handful of games this season. If we deal Sully, he will fill right in on the boards.
And I still like Robert Upshaw.
TP for thinking outside the box, lol ;D. I'd never heard of him before, but this is the exact purpose of this thread - brainstorming. Anyway, I know that it's bleacher report, but Williams apparently got his own feature under the heading of 'Meet Alan Williams, the Best College Basketball Player You've Never Heard Of.' I'll check it out tomorrow. He seems undersized, though :-\. Does he play inside, etc.?
Anyway, here's the link -
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2323778-meet-alan-williams-the-best-college-basketball-player-youve-never-heard-of (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2323778-meet-alan-williams-the-best-college-basketball-player-youve-never-heard-of)
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In order to have the best draft we will prob need to make trades.......like players for picks.
Myles Turner could go 10 to 14.....maybe earlier if he has a good combine. And if Upshaw has a good combine and measures better in 2011...then he will b a first rounder, prob 20 and up.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2385498-baylors-rico-gathers-a-man-among-boys-on-hardwood-may-face-gridiron-dilemma
This article put Rico Gathers on my radar. Probably should be playing football but if he chooses to go pro in basketball think he's make a really nice second round pick. Definitely a space eater "Gathers, a junior, averages a national-best 11.8 rebounds and 11.4 points for 14th-ranked Baylor, and his 16 double-doubles lead the Big 12." *stats as of when the article was written finished year at 11.5 boards*
No idea if he's declaring or even choosing Basketball but I believe he may be the very definition of a sleeper.
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Terry Rozier is a big sleeper in this draft because he's an excellent scorer and good defender who will thrive as a 6th man or even a starter. I would have liked to draft him with the #33 pick but we have Isaiah.
Christian Wood is another sleeper because he has a huge ceiling which is a two-way face up power forward. He would take time to develop due to his limited strength but he will be a perfect fit for the Cs because he is an outstanding shot blocker and an athletic big with range (even though he is inconsistent and tends to float around the perimeter too much).
https://bandrincorporated.wordpress.com/christian-wood/
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Aaron White very efficient player l. Iwould like Cs to get him with their last 2nd rounder. Not a star but solid role player.
I just looked over some clips of him, and he's an interesting player, in that he's a bit of a tweener (although more of a 4 than a 3, imo), a great athlete, and good passer and post player, although, again, I'm not really familiar with the guy. Actually, if there's anyone on that Iowa team in whom we should be interested, it's Jarrod Uthoff, imo. A 6'8"/6'9" wing who averaged 1.6 bpg last season :o? Wow, that's very impressive. He also looks like he's an excellent passer, but you obviously know him much better than I do, so, am I right, here? The guy kind of reminds me of a slightly shorter, more nimble, Sam Dekker, but better defensively. Is that fair? He seems like a very intelligent player, as well, judging from his postgame comments at the end of the first video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRtyvQ19nlk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqlYzNf8okY
Anyone else, guys? Has anyone seen Larry Nance Jr. play? Is he any good, because his numbers look pretty good to me, as well as his athleticism, although, like White, he does seem to be a bit of a tweener.
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I'll say this again. Robert Upshaw.
I would LOOOOOOOOOOONG REACH for him at #16 before someone else is in range to grab him. The drug problems are a solid red flag, but the potential is worth the risk. He's definitely a sleeper to me.
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I'll say this again. Robert Upshaw.
I would LOOOOOOOOOOONG REACH for him at #16 before someone else is in range to grab him. The drug problems are a solid red flag, but the potential is worth the risk. He's definitely a sleeper to me.
Hey, I've said it too, lol ;D. You'd really take him at 16, though? Wow.
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Chris McCullough... Good size, length. Very athletic, solid skill level in place. Would be a steal at 28
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I'll say this again. Robert Upshaw.
I would LOOOOOOOOOOONG REACH for him at #16 before someone else is in range to grab him. The drug problems are a solid red flag, but the potential is worth the risk. He's definitely a sleeper to me.
16 is too early for him
What i don't like about Upshaw even more than the drug issues is that he gets pushed around/gives up deep position in the defensive end. And I mean this is a big guy at 250-255 pounds. not a good sign
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Ok on Wright. I haven't really watched him but I watched the clip. Can he shoot? I saw the slashing and the D but I saw 1 jump shot in the whole clip which would make me wander if he has a jump shot. Please respond as I have no idea that is what I noticed when I watched the clip.
His shooting has actually improved dramatically from his freshman season where he shot 22% from 3 point land.
He now shoots 35% from three point land which isn't bad but he only attempts 2 per game. At least he's improving dramatically.
He shoots a high percentage from the field because he's able to get into the paint and he also shoots 5.2 free throws a game at 86% which is great.
So yeah, no problems with his jumpshot.
I love him.
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Justin Anderson... top defender
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Josh Richardson: see this excellent writeup (including highlight vid): http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/ (http://deanondraft.com/2015/04/01/2141/)
He is an athletic 3 and D prospect with some offensive versatility to work with too. A 6'6 wing. As a junior, he utterly dominated in the tournament and led his 11th-seed Tennessee Volunteers to an upset sweet 16 appearance.
I wanted to see if anyone would mention him before I was going to do so, today, so TP. I like him a lot. His defensive versatility of being able to guard positions 1-3 reminds me of Jimmy Butler, as does Richardson's tenacity. I do think that he's more than a 3 and D guy, though, because, as you can see from this clip (and judging by your post about him I take it that you've already seen enough of him, anyway), he can create and hit from midrange and take it to the basket with either hand. I'd take him at 45, unless there was a better player available. He might not even get drafted. Man, if only we had those 8 second round picks this year, lol ;D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF_PRlNNgIc
Btw, is it just me, or does his form look like Wes Matthews', from the 80s?
Glad you like him too! I think he's worth taking with the Clippers' pick, although there could be even better value available (and ideally I'd trade up for RHJ). He doesn't strike me as someone you run plays for at this level, as his offensive talent level is great for someone so unheralded but not as dominant as most NBA starters would be at his age (he is a young senior). But 3&D&transition&other complementary offense is a valuable mold, and he can be great in that role.
Obviously it depends on who's available at that point, but you'd take him that high? The only reason I ask is because we could potentially get him in the second round, if he's even drafted. That's not a knock on him at all, it's just that upperclassmen tend not to be seen as great prospects for some reason, lol ;D.
Yeah, I'd take him in the first round. Late 1st-round picks usually turn into nothing, so anybody who projects as a solid role player is good value there.
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upshaw vaughn dakari johnson justin anderson would be great with second round picks
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I have been impressed with Zho Qi based on YouTube videos mostly, does anyone know if he is entering this draft? If so I would take him in the second as a stash play.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/zhou-qi
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Jordan Mickey...best rim protector? Late 2nd round.
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I have been impressed with Zho Qi based on YouTube videos mostly, does anyone know if he is entering this draft? If so I would take him in the second as a stash play.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/zhou-qi
I heard Qi has been advised to wait another year and he is. Bigger question is if he comes out 2016. Word is they want to early develop him there for better chance of NBA success.
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I like upshaw and dakari Johnson
But also think some of the international prospects are underrated and would like to gamble on them based on their potential
Guys like Timothe luwawu and George Lucas who have the physical tools but are still raw on skill
I love their potential
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I have been impressed with Zho Qi based on YouTube videos mostly, does anyone know if he is entering this draft? If so I would take him in the second as a stash play.
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/zhou-qi
I heard Qi has been advised to wait another year and he is. Bigger question is if he comes out 2016. Word is they want to early develop him there for better chance of NBA success.
When he does come out, Qi is going to be a very serious prospect--definitely not a 2nd rounder. His package of elite length, shooting, mobility, shotblocking, and faceup game is very compelling. His big wart is that he is uniquely skinny-- there is really no NBA player that he compares to in this regard, so it's tough to project how badly it will limit him.
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Justin Anderson... top defender
Okay, what else does he do? All I've seen in a few clips of him is spot up shooting.
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People are sleeping on a lot of these draft and stash and international prospects. I like Marc Garcia a long 6'6" SG that we could stash overseas for a year. I really like Cedi Osman and wouldn't be surprised if he went in the first round because he is a very promising international prospect. Is 6'8" and is a skilled swingman. He isn't exactly explosive, but is a smooth athlete that I believe can compete at the NBA level. Very skilled all around, can spot shoot, handles the ball really well for a swingman, can pass, can get to the rim. There's not much he can't do, but there is also nothing that he is great at. I really think he could be a steal for the Celtics at 28 or at 33. Hopefully Danny sees the same skill that I have and grabs him.
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Justin Anderson... top defender
I agree. A sneaky need for us this year was athletisicm on the wing. I would make him the top target with the Clippers pick.
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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Chris-Walker-Workout-Video-4947/
Chris Walker... is a beast. Not sure it'd be too easy to work past the character concerns but it sounds like the kid has a better support system around him now. Kind of reminds me of Tyrus Thomas, elite athleticism but might not possess the drive to be great. The only one stopping him from succeeding is himself.
Could Brad Stevens turn this guy into a player?
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Justin Anderson... top defender
Okay, what else does he do? All I've seen in a few clips of him is spot up shooting.
He's a pretty efficient scorer. Not much of a faclllitator (not a selfish player, just not the best court vision). I'd say his upside is what Danny Green has become. Looking back on the draft in 5 years, he could easily be in the top 10-12 players coming out of it, but if he's in the top 5 it will be because there were a ton of busts, and not because he overachieved. At 28, he's a very safe pick if available.
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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Chris-Walker-Workout-Video-4947/
Chris Walker... is a beast. Not sure it'd be too easy to work past the character concerns but it sounds like the kid has a better support system around him now. Kind of reminds me of Tyrus Thomas, elite athleticism but might not possess the drive to be great. The only one stopping him from succeeding is himself.
Could Brad Stevens turn this guy into a player?
I was watching out for this player over 2 years. He just never improved much. I think having him play center a lot hurt his growth. Was really hoping he would have kept his speed and developed SF game. He could be an OK PF but think he lacks another gear to be good. Going to be hard for him to do well in the NBA but not impossible.
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Can a sleeper be a undrafted senior? I know people are always looking at age as upside but there are some seniors with great polished games.
Tyler Haws, 6'5 SG, BYU, age 24. Kind of a SG Korver.
Derrick Marks, 6'3 SG, Boise, age 22. Blend of Lowry and Beal.
Seth Tuttle, 6'8 PF, UNI, age 23. Blend of Austin Croshere and David West.
Would love Marks on this team undrafted if C's miss out on Harvey.
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Can a sleeper be a undrafted senior? I know people are always looking at age as upside but there are some seniors with great polished games.
Tyler Haws, 6'5 SG, BYU, age 24. Kind of a SG Korver.
Derrick Marks, 6'3 SG, Boise, age 22. Blend of Lowry and Beal.
Seth Tuttle, 6'8 PF, UNI, age 23. Blend of Austin Croshere and David West.
Would love Marks on this team undrafted if C's miss out on Harvey.
Absolutely, and TP for bringing those players to our attention :).
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Richaun Holmes, PF, Bowling Green... dude is ripped at 6-8 1/2 (without shoes), 235 lbs, and was MAC Defensive Player of the Year. Check out his "Dark Horse Dunker" video on Youtube and his player profile on Draftexpress.
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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Satnam-Singh-Workout-Video-4957
NBA. DRAFT. SLEEPER.
Triple threat: Big Man, Can Shoot, Mutumbo-eqsue Voice.
I am ON. BOARD.
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What sucks is that I would be more comfortable investing in 2/3rds of the guys listed here over James Young. Maybe that is just my impatience surfacing... but I just can not see him bulking up enough to be able to be effective at both ends of the court.
Edit: Was not familiar with Upshaw until a quick Google search... geez, he appears to be a major headcase. He would probably start deflating bballs as soon as he got here.
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Don't understand the admiration for Dakari Johnson. He looked badly outclassed against elite teams in college, and appears to have the bball IQ of a 5-year-old. Need a foul at the most inopportune time? Call on Mr. Johnson.
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He has an NBA body from day one, is the fascination.
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The trouble with Kentucky players is that they are surrounded by so many 5-star athletes that it's difficult to evaluate how good they really are individually. The lesser ones get flashes of spotlight where they look really good, but they don't have to grind it out like your typical college star. Frankly, most of their one-and-dones need a lot more seasoning at the college level before they should even start thinking about the NBA (I'm looking at you James Young).
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Olivier Hanlan? The kid can score the ball.
Danny loves players from Boston College too, so it could be possible with one of the 2nd round picks we got.
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http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Satnam-Singh-Workout-Video-4957
NBA. DRAFT. SLEEPER.
Triple threat: Big Man, Can Shoot, Mutumbo-eqsue Voice.
I am ON. BOARD.
You beat me to it bro.
One correction...REALLY BIG MAN...7'2" 290 and he's not doughy...the man is cut.
Please draft him at 45 and let him develop slowly...he's only 19!
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Olivier Hanlan? The kid can score the ball.
Danny loves players from Boston College too, so it could be possible with one of the 2nd round picks we got.
Next john jenkins. No thx