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This is the Clay Buchholz we all know and love. Walk the leadoff man, who happens to be a great basestealer (Ellsbury), give up a bloop hit on a hit-and-run, RBI groundout, another walk, Napoli error, A-Rod 3-run double, Headley 2-run homer, STEPHEN FRICKIN' DREW solo homer.
All in the first inning.
Against a Yankees lineup that's not particularly great.
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Yuck-holz >:(
Heading up for Opening Day tomorrow for the first time in quite a while. Pretty psyched about that!
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Yeah, I lost all confidence in Buchholz a long time ago. He should always be viewed as a 5th or 6th starter who occasionally pitches like a #1, occasionally like a guy who has no business starting at all.
The Sox might go far on the strength of their hitting and average pitching from Porcello, Miley, etc. But Buch ... meh.
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Oh crap, it's baseball season already? Wow, it's a good thing that I pay attention (sarcasm), lol. ;D
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This is the Clay Buchholz we all know and love. Walk the leadoff man, who happens to be a great basestealer (Ellsbury), give up a bloop hit on a hit-and-run, RBI groundout, another walk, Napoli error, A-Rod 3-run double, Headley 2-run homer, STEPHEN FRICKIN' DREW solo homer.
All in the first inning.
Against a Yankees lineup that's not particularly great.
Yeah, I was going all-in with Buchholz on my fantasy team. He had a horrible 2012, which was followed up by a great [start to] 2013, then a horrible 2014. I just assumed he was going for the every other year pattern...oh well, my early lead in my league is likely to dissolve.
In the real world, the Sox look to have a very decent team this year and I am excited to see what they bring with all of these new faces (hopefully not just bloated payroll).
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Man, it's looking like another 70-80ish win season for the Red Sox. This pitching rotation is just not going to cut it if they want to win more games than they lose.
A lineup that has looked very potent at times also still seems pretty darn anemic more often than I'd like.
Seems to me that the Red Sox brain trust is a little too smart for their own good, if you know what I mean. I was on board with letting Lester leave, but they totally failed to replace him with a comparable arm. Heck, they didn't even really replace Lackey.
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Man, it's looking like another 70-80ish win season for the Red Sox. This pitching rotation is just not going to cut it if they want to win more games than they lose.
A lineup that has looked very potent at times also still seems pretty darn anemic more often than I'd like.
Seems to me that the Red Sox brain trust is a little too smart for their own good, if you know what I mean. I was on board with letting Lester leave, but they totally failed to replace him with a comparable arm. Heck, they didn't even really replace Lackey.
This pitching staff is just awful, especially the starters. And the vaunted offense hasn't been all that impressive, either. The Sox are getting good offense about once every 3 games, and good pitching about once every 4-5 games, which is why their record is terrible.
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It's just stunning how the team wins 3 championships in the last decade but also has so many crappy seasons. How do you evaluate what management is doing? Are the titles just luck? Or are the bad years bad luck?
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It's just stunning how the team wins 3 championships in the last decade but also has so many crappy seasons. How do you evaluate what management is doing? Are the titles just luck? Or are the bad years bad luck?
Maybe this is an oversimplification, but I think it boils down to pitching: When they won the titles or were at least competing for titles, they had really good pitching; and in the down years, the pitching was awful. This year it's awful, so if they want a chance, they need to do something about it ASAP.
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So I know this is primarily a celtics and nba blog, obviously. But I have to get this off my chest...with Joe Kelly yet again crapping the bucket, worst pitching in the majors, a lineup that doesn't look to be nearly as good as we thought, firing the pitching coach one month into the season, on their way to what looks like a last place finish for the 3rd time in 4 years.
This team already looks mentally defeated. The batters are clearly affected by how bad the pitching is and it feels like they're showing up the ball field each night already feeling like they're going to lose.
Cherington and Farrell very well may be shown the door if this team endures yet another last place finish, but at the same time, ownership deserves just as much blame. THEY are the ones that decided to employ the 'we don't need an ace' mindset, giving ridiculous contracts to players before they deserve it in hopes that they turn into being worthy of them so that they look like geniuses.
Through one month, this has been a complete dumpster fire of a team, and with a $200 million payroll, it's simply unacceptable.
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Your frustration is the EXACT SAME frustration I've felt most of this young season, and the reason I started this thread. The braintrust thought Buchholz could finally be more than a mediocre pitcher? They thought they could get by with a whole rotation of mediocre pitchers?
If the team has already given up, I understand why—they're showing up to the park every day knowing they need to score at least 6 runs to have a chance to win, sometimes scoring more than that and STILL losing by several runs. That's way too much pressure on the offense, and completely unfair to them.
Kelly has been the biggest disappointment to me among the starters—I already knew what Buchholz was, Miley and Masterson have never been great, and Porcello's actually been really good his last two starts. But Kelly's a young guy who showed some pretty good potential, and I thought this was the perfect situation for him.
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Your frustration is the EXACT SAME frustration I've felt most of this young season, and the reason I started this thread. The braintrust thought Buchholz could finally be more than a mediocre pitcher? They thought they could get by with a whole rotation of mediocre pitchers?
If the team has already given up, I understand why—they're showing up to the park every day knowing they need to score at least 6 runs to have a chance to win, sometimes scoring more than that and STILL losing by several runs. That's way too much pressure on the offense, and completely unfair to them.
Kelly has been the biggest disappointment to me among the starters—I already knew what Buchholz was, Miley and Masterson have never been great, and Porcello's actually been really good his last two starts. But Kelly's a young guy who showed some pretty good potential, and I thought this was the perfect situation for him.
Ownership came into this season thinking as long as the pitching is even just mediocre, the lineup will score enough runs to have this team be a .500 team at worst...the problem is that they aren't mediocre, they're the worst staff in the league. And then on top of that, Napoli looks absolutely lost, Betts has been very underwhelming, Ortiz hasn't been anything special, they're getting the least amount of production from right field than any other team in the league...when you step back and look at it, with all of the wins they got in the first 15 games of the season because of teams basically handing them wins, they're lucky to only be 3 games under .500, which is scary.
A stat so bad that it's funny, the Red Sox starting staff has given up more runs in the 1st inning than any other staff in the league...and it's not even the inning they've given up the most runs. That would be the 3rd inning.
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Your frustration is the EXACT SAME frustration I've felt most of this young season, and the reason I started this thread. The braintrust thought Buchholz could finally be more than a mediocre pitcher? They thought they could get by with a whole rotation of mediocre pitchers?
If the team has already given up, I understand why—they're showing up to the park every day knowing they need to score at least 6 runs to have a chance to win, sometimes scoring more than that and STILL losing by several runs. That's way too much pressure on the offense, and completely unfair to them.
Kelly has been the biggest disappointment to me among the starters—I already knew what Buchholz was, Miley and Masterson have never been great, and Porcello's actually been really good his last two starts. But Kelly's a young guy who showed some pretty good potential, and I thought this was the perfect situation for him.
Ownership came into this season thinking as long as the pitching is even just mediocre, the lineup will score enough runs to have this team be a .500 team at worst...the problem is that they aren't mediocre, they're the worst staff in the league. And then on top of that, Napoli looks absolutely lost, Betts has been very underwhelming, Ortiz hasn't been anything special, they're getting the least amount of production from right field than any other team in the league...when you step back and look at it, with all of the wins they got in the first 15 games of the season because of teams basically handing them wins, they're lucky to only be 3 games under .500, which is scary.
A stat so bad that it's funny, the Red Sox starting staff has given up more runs in the 1st inning than any other staff in the league...and it's not even the inning they've given up the most runs. That would be the 3rd inning.
You're right—getting mediocre pitching from the starters would be a step up at this point. ;D
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How long is Cherington's rope after winning a title in 2013?
The Sox are well on their way to the 3rd bottom of the barrel record through 4 years of Cherington's tenure.
Ben's proven largely inept in building a reliable bullpen, has made questionable decisions about the rotation, and seems to have struck out at least as often as he's hit in trying to find reliable bats for the lineup.
Pretty much everything went right for the Sox in 2013, but in 2012, 2014, and now this season, just as many things have gone wrong.
It would be silly to expect the Sox to win a title every season, or even go deep into the playoffs. But when you have one of the biggest payrolls in the sport, is it unreasonable to expect that the team will at least be in the hunt for the wild card each season? Anything less than that should be viewed as an utter failure, and people should lose their jobs as a result.
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If the Sox were run like the Pats, they would have dumped Napoli at the deadline last year, or just outright cut him before the season. Dude's toast.
(Yes, the MLB doesn't have non-guaranteed contracts ... but there's also no salary cap)
One of the most irritating thing about how these Sox are run is the desire to hold onto certain guys well past the point where they've shown they cannot be relied upon.
Napoli, Vic, Buccholz, Craig. Why did anybody expect these guys to help the team this season?
As much as the young guys have struggled, you expect that. It wouldn't be an issue if Betts, Bogaerts, JBJ, etc were seen as complements to a roster that is comprised mostly of proven, reliable, productive veterans.
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How long is Cherington's rope after winning a title in 2013?
The Sox are well on their way to the 3rd bottom of the barrel record through 4 years of Cherington's tenure.
Ben's proven largely inept in building a reliable bullpen, has made questionable decisions about the rotation, and seems to have struck out at least as often as he's hit in trying to find reliable bats for the lineup.
Pretty much everything went right for the Sox in 2013, but in 2012, 2014, and now this season, just as many things have gone wrong.
It would be silly to expect the Sox to win a title every season, or even go deep into the playoffs. But when you have one of the biggest payrolls in the sport, is it unreasonable to expect that the team will at least be in the hunt for the wild card each season? Anything less than that should be viewed as an utter failure, and people should lose their jobs as a result.
I think it's all but confirmed now that the 2013 world series had SO much luck involved. Now they get credit because yes they played well, the pitching was legit. But EVERY move made went well that year, they had Koji fall into their lap, Bucholz somehow someway went 10-1 with an era under 2.00 in the first 3 months of the season, Victorino stayed healthy all year, they were clutch all year long, they had such an abnormal amount of come from behind wins...they also had that "team of destiny" feel with everything that happened with the marathon bombing as well.
But now it's crunch time for Cherington. If this team endures another last place finish, I fully expect Cherington to be fired, and then if Farrell isn't fired, next season will be his last chance to show he's a competent major league manager.
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If the Sox were run like the Pats, they would have dumped Napoli at the deadline last year, or just outright cut him before the season. Dude's toast.
(Yes, the MLB doesn't have non-guaranteed contracts ... but there's also no salary cap)
One of the most irritating thing about how these Sox are run is the desire to hold onto certain guys well past the point where they've shown they cannot be relied upon.
Napoli, Vic, Buccholz, Craig. Why did anybody expect these guys to help the team this season?
As much as the young guys have struggled, you expect that. It wouldn't be an issue if Betts, Bogaerts, JBJ, etc were seen as complements to a roster that is comprised mostly of proven, reliable, productive veterans.
Napoli right now is a mess...but lets not forget, he had a July and August in 2013 that was incredibly similar to this. It just looks extra bad right now because he's doing this to start the season. Bucholz and Victorino I agree with you, time to move on. Craig was a fantastic hitter just a couple of years ago, like led the national league in a few hitting categories type of fantastic. Unfortunately his injury seems to have affected him to the point where he looks to be just about done.
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How much credit should we give to Theo for 2013?
I mean, Lester and Lackey played huge roles for that team.
Napoli, Victorino, Gomes worked out very well for Ben. Koji was a great acquisition.
But Peavy and Dempster ... meh.
Pedroia, Ortiz, and Ellsbury were still the core of the team.
As for Nap, yes, he's had bad months and good months. You know what, I'm tired of players who go from looking great to playing like utter dog filth month to month. No wonder this team can't win consistently. Too many trick or treat players.
Who can you really rely on with this team, night to night? Pedroia and Ortiz. Koji for the most part. That's it. Betts looks like he might be that kind of guy. Porcello maybe, if you don't expect him to be more than pretty good.
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I pray for patience. Owens and Rodriquez have the stuff to be top of the rotation aces. Please don't panic and make a trade. In 2016, those two should be anchoring the staff.
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I pray for patience. Owens and Rodriquez have the stuff to be top of the rotation aces. Please don't panic and make a trade. In 2016, those two should be anchoring the staff.
Owens really doesn't. Rodriguez, if he refines his command, is as close as we have to a top-of-rotation prospect.
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I pray for patience. Owens and Rodriquez have the stuff to be top of the rotation aces. Please don't panic and make a trade. In 2016, those two should be anchoring the staff.
I'm done putting all my hopes on Red Sox prospects to save the day.
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Bucholtz still shows flashes of brilliance and then falls apart randomly. I think he's heading in the right direction though, and if he can become consistent, will finally be the pitcher some of us were hoping he could become.
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2013 leaves a pretty long leash for those in charge. Winning a world series is always the ultimate goal and we did just the season before least. While I am not a huge Cherrington fan, he at least shows the willingness to go out there and make risky moves that may or may not work out for the franchise. There are players who I would like to see move on so we can try and make some noise with our younger players (Ortiz, Pedroia, and even Koji I am happy to have forever, though). We look to have ridiculously good young pitching and our future outfield looks out of this world. I guess we just have to be patient.
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2013 leaves a pretty long leash for those in charge. Winning a world series is always the ultimate goal and we did just the season before least. While I am not a huge Cherrington fan, he at least shows the willingness to go out there and make risky moves that may or may not work out for the franchise. There are players who I would like to see move on so we can try and make some noise with our younger players (Ortiz, Pedroia, and even Koji I am happy to have forever, though). We look to have ridiculously good young pitching and our future outfield looks out of this world. I guess we just have to be patient.
Patient? They had a historic collapse in 2011, last place finish in 2012, last place finish in 2014, and looking to be well on their way to a last place finish in 2015. Yes, they won the world series in 2013 and nobody can take that away from them. But the fact is, they had a horseshoe stuck up their butts for that whole season. Even WITH the world series year, they have a well below .500 record when you combine the records of the last 4 years.
This is a team with a $200 million payroll and a reactionary ownership group. And while I keep hearing about all these young prospects, the fact is, they haven't had any homegrown power hitting in a LONG time, I've been unimpressed with any young pitching they bring up, and whenever they do bring up young pitching that seems to show promise, it doesn't take long for them to regress.
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I guess I just have a different standard for excellence. Winning a championship is great, but that is just one success that should not excuse all failures.
The ultimate goal is winning a championship, but titles aren't EVERYTHING. Also very important is putting a quality product on the field, i.e. assembling a team each year that plays well on a regular basis and actually keeps fans entertained and interested.
Maybe it seems strange, but I wouldn't be happy to watch a team that finishes last in the division 4 years out of 5 but wins a title every fifth year. I get fed up trying to follow the team through all of the dreadful years in between and can't allow myself to buy in when they're actually good.
At some point, being able to actually enjoy the team relatively often in any given year has to mean something.
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Bucholtz still shows flashes of brilliance and then falls apart randomly. I think he's heading in the right direction though, and if he can become consistent, will finally be the pitcher some of us were hoping he could become.
Is this a direct quote from 2011? 2012? 2014? We've been saying some version of this every year.
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I guess I just have a different standard for excellence. Winning a championship is great, but that is just one success that should not excuse all failures.
The ultimate goal is winning a championship, but titles aren't EVERYTHING. Also very important is putting a quality product on the field, i.e. assembling a team each year that plays well on a regular basis and actually keeps fans entertained and interested.
Maybe it seems strange, but I wouldn't be happy to watch a team that finishes last in the division 4 years out of 5 but wins a title every fifth year. I get fed up trying to follow the team through all of the dreadful years in between and can't allow myself to buy in when they're actually good.
At some point, being able to actually enjoy the team relatively often in any given year has to mean something.
That's a great point. It's also about putting a good product on the field to watch. And it's not like this is even enjoyable to watch. Why would anyone want to watch a team that's constantly down at least 4-0 by the 4th inning? As much as John Henry must be upset at the team on the field, he's probably more upset because he just can feel countless people changing the channel by the 5th inning
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How many last place finishes should a GM in a major media market get before he's shown the door?
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before this season, everyone assumed the sox had one of the top offenses in baseball and the question most asked was whether the offense could compensate for the starting pitching.
well...what a difference 50 games make. in the month of May, the sox averaged 2.8 runs per game. NO ONE ELSE IN BASEBALL AVERAGED LESS THAN 3 RUNS PER GAME IN MAY.
the starting pitching has been worse than worried about. the starters are not bad in the sense of lack of talent. they fluctuate between good and crappy, with too many visits to the world of crapocity. it is as if the entire starting rotation decided to become bi-polar this season.
the "heros" right now are wright and rodriquez, both of whom started the season in AAA. i am a big fan of wright, but if he is one of your top starters, you have troubles.
buchholz is showing you can never know what he will do. miley and kelly may best be part of the bullpen. porcello? the "ace" is anything but. his non-performance is perhaps the biggest problem on the starting staff.
the bull pen has the usual stars, but the middle innings guys are worse than sucky. can anyone tell me why breslow still has a job in major league baseball?
the offense, what to say? they seem to take turns in failing to hit when it counts. is big papi toast? i dont know, but he does seem to have butter and jelly spread all of him. yet, slow starts are not unusual for him. so hope, or at least denial, abounds.
napoli, after the film sessions with peddy seems to be back on track. but panda still cant hit left handers. hanley is inconsistent and let's be kind and NOT discuss his defense. the OF is a mess in general. catching? ha, swihart may emerge out of all this as an all star, but for now he is still a rookie.
so, this team is disappointing on all fronts. i dont know how much longer farrell can hang onto his job. unless this team performs remotely to their abilities his future as manager of the sox may not be a long and happy one.
cripes, this team is disappointing this year. :(
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Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats May 27
The 3 worst Red Sox team OBP seasons from 1960-2015: 2015, 2012, 2014. In 2013 they won the World Series. The Cherington Era.
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Suck
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Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats May 27
The 3 worst Red Sox team OBP seasons from 1960-2015: 2015, 2012, 2014. In 2013 they won the World Series. The Cherington Era.
I'll take it, even if it does look more and more like luck.
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Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats May 27
The 3 worst Red Sox team OBP seasons from 1960-2015: 2015, 2012, 2014. In 2013 they won the World Series. The Cherington Era.
I'll take it, even if it does look more and more like luck.
Yeah, it's like those Marlins teams in '97 and '03 that won the World Series, but were pretty horrible otherwise. I would much rather suck most of the time and win the World Series every few years than whatever happened from 1918-2003. Ask Cubs fans how the feel about this.
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but the question is, is it really an either/or situation? why arent the sox capable of both fielding a credible team AND winning a championship once in a while. or at least contending and being in the playoffs frequently?
theo managed it. but cherington's approach is troubling in terms of its results, to say the least.
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Can someone explain to me why Brock Holt, who leads the team in OBP, hits both LHP and RHP, and was a pretty successful leadoff man last year isn't your leadoff hitter right now? You just absolutely have to have Betts and his .250/.305 in there (and in the 2-hole to boot), don't you?
So infuriating.
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Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats May 27
The 3 worst Red Sox team OBP seasons from 1960-2015: 2015, 2012, 2014. In 2013 they won the World Series. The Cherington Era.
I'll take it, even if it does look more and more like luck.
Yup. I'll take it too!
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Can someone explain to me why Brock Holt, who leads the team in OBP, hits both LHP and RHP, and was a pretty successful leadoff man last year isn't your leadoff hitter right now? You just absolutely have to have Betts and his .250/.305 in there (and in the 2-hole to boot), don't you?
So infuriating.
This is a good point, one I hadn't considered. My only guess right now is that Farrell doesn't want to do anything that might hurt the confidence of Betts, whom the team considers a future star, whereas Holt has been pegged (for better or worse) as a super-utility player.
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it looks like the sox may have stumbled on to a pitcher. This guy rodriguez guy has been lights out since he came up (granted only 1.5 starts right now). However, he now has 13 strikeouts in 12 innings pitched to start his career.
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it looks like the sox may have stumbled on to a pitcher. This guy rodriguez guy has been lights out since he came up (granted only 1.5 starts right now). However, he now has 13 strikeouts in 12 innings pitched to start his career.
yeah EROD. electric stuff. hides the ball so well. Compact "snap" delivery.
Redsox need to make a trade to get one more pitcher. Kelly needs to go to the bullpen. Miley is good as the 5th guy. Porcello is like a 3rd, 4th guy. Can't believe we overpaid for him. Bucholz is inconsistent. I think he might get injured at any point
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it looks like the sox may have stumbled on to a pitcher. This guy rodriguez guy has been lights out since he came up (granted only 1.5 starts right now). However, he now has 13 strikeouts in 12 innings pitched to start his career.
yeah EROD. electric stuff. hides the ball so well. Compact "snap" delivery.
Redsox need to make a trade to get one more pitcher. Kelly needs to go to the bullpen. Miley is good as the 5th guy. Porcello is like a 3rd, 4th guy. Can't believe we overpaid for him. Bucholz is inconsistent. I think he might get injured at any point
Buchholz is inconsistent indeed, but I was checking his game log and was surprised to see how solid he's been last month. Somehow it feels like he's a disaster waiting to happen every game, but ever since the second game of the season when he gave up 10 runs in 3 innings, he's been going 7+ pretty consistently, and most starts have been quality.
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Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats May 27
The 3 worst Red Sox team OBP seasons from 1960-2015: 2015, 2012, 2014. In 2013 they won the World Series. The Cherington Era.
I'll take it, even if it does look more and more like luck.
Yeah, I'll take it, but to me it's still means something to put a team on the field that can play quality, entertaining, competitive baseball pretty much every year.
Putting a terrible team out there most every year and occasionally having a really great year doesn't do it for me.
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it looks like the sox may have stumbled on to a pitcher. This guy rodriguez guy has been lights out since he came up (granted only 1.5 starts right now). However, he now has 13 strikeouts in 12 innings pitched to start his career.
yeah EROD. electric stuff. hides the ball so well. Compact "snap" delivery.
Redsox need to make a trade to get one more pitcher. Kelly needs to go to the bullpen. Miley is good as the 5th guy. Porcello is like a 3rd, 4th guy. Can't believe we overpaid for him. Bucholz is inconsistent. I think he might get injured at any point
Buchholz is inconsistent indeed, but I was checking his game log and was surprised to see how solid he's been last month. Somehow it feels like he's a disaster waiting to happen every game, but ever since the second game of the season when he gave up 10 runs in 3 innings, he's been going 7+ pretty consistently, and most starts have been quality.
at any point even as we speak he could get injured. Bucholz has a bad body for sports. Talented but lacks a strong body, stamina
Redsox have a log jam outside of pitching and should make a trade sooner than later
Victorino , Napoli could be traded (bad contracts but still). You can add prospects for say Hamels. Ramirez is a bad outfielder and should be moved to 1st base.
Lineup after a trade
2B Pedroia
C Betts
1b Ramirez
DH Ortiz
3B Sandoval
RF Castillo
SS Boegarts
LF Bradley jr/Craig/Holt
C Swihart/Leon
P - Hamels
P - Erod
P - Porcello
P- Bucholz
P- Miley
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it looks like the sox may have stumbled on to a pitcher. This guy rodriguez guy has been lights out since he came up (granted only 1.5 starts right now). However, he now has 13 strikeouts in 12 innings pitched to start his career.
yeah EROD. electric stuff. hides the ball so well. Compact "snap" delivery.
Redsox need to make a trade to get one more pitcher. Kelly needs to go to the bullpen. Miley is good as the 5th guy. Porcello is like a 3rd, 4th guy. Can't believe we overpaid for him. Bucholz is inconsistent. I think he might get injured at any point
Buchholz is inconsistent indeed, but I was checking his game log and was surprised to see how solid he's been last month. Somehow it feels like he's a disaster waiting to happen every game, but ever since the second game of the season when he gave up 10 runs in 3 innings, he's been going 7+ pretty consistently, and most starts have been quality.
Buchholz always scares me, but he's been quite impressive his last 4 starts in particular—30 2/3 innings, allowed only 5 earned runs, had 27 Ks, and lowered his ERA from 5.73 to 3.82. Only problem is the Sox scored exactly 1 run in each of those 4 starts, so before last night's narrow win he had a 1-run loss, a 2-run loss, and a 1-run no decision. In fact, the Sox have scored just 1 run in 7 or his 11 starts this season.
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it looks like the sox may have stumbled on to a pitcher. This guy rodriguez guy has been lights out since he came up (granted only 1.5 starts right now). However, he now has 13 strikeouts in 12 innings pitched to start his career.
yeah EROD. electric stuff. hides the ball so well. Compact "snap" delivery.
Redsox need to make a trade to get one more pitcher. Kelly needs to go to the bullpen. Miley is good as the 5th guy. Porcello is like a 3rd, 4th guy. Can't believe we overpaid for him. Bucholz is inconsistent. I think he might get injured at any point
Buchholz is inconsistent indeed, but I was checking his game log and was surprised to see how solid he's been last month. Somehow it feels like he's a disaster waiting to happen every game, but ever since the second game of the season when he gave up 10 runs in 3 innings, he's been going 7+ pretty consistently, and most starts have been quality.
at any point even as we speak he could get injured. Bucholz has a bad body for sports. Talented but lacks a strong body, stamina
Redsox have a log jam outside of pitching and should make a trade sooner than later
Victorino , Napoli could be traded (bad contracts but still). You can add prospects for say Hamels. Ramirez is a bad outfielder and should be moved to 1st base.
Lineup after a trade
2B Pedroia
C Betts
1b Ramirez
DH Ortiz
3B Sandoval
RF Castillo
SS Boegarts
LF Bradley jr/Craig/Holt
C Swihart/Leon
P - Hamels
P - Erod
P - Porcello
P- Bucholz
P- Miley
I do think we need someone like Hamels, but I am not sure we don't also need a bad. I don't think an outfield of Bradley/Holt Betts and Castillo can be considered because all three are probably below average batters right now and they would probably hit a combined 15 homeruns over the course of a season. That is just not enough. You throw in the fact that we have very below average hitting coming from catching and we would need to be in the national league for that kind of lineup to work imo.
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Erod another good game. 7 strikeouts and gave up only 1 ER
http://m.mlb.com/video/v143439183/minbos-rodriguez-sits-down-seven-twins/?game_pk=414415
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This team stinks. Just really, really stinks. Keeps finding new and creative ways to lose. Today, they blow a 4-run lead, get two runners thrown out in one inning, and now Koji's blowing it, allowing a bunch of dinks and dunks.
Edit: And two more errors today by Sandoval. That's 2 two-error games for him in the last week.
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This team stinks. Just really, really stinks. Keeps finding new and creative ways to lose. Today, they blow a 4-run lead, get two runners thrown out in one inning, and now Koji's blowing it, allowing a bunch of dinks and dunks.
Edit: And two more errors today by Sandoval. That's 2 two-error games for him in the last week.
Koji should of not been brought back. He was bad last season and I knew his game was going down
Tazawa could of been given the closer role
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This team is gross.
If there's one thing that stands out about Ben Cherington's teams, it's holding onto players much longer than makes any sense ... Breslow, Bucchholz, Napoli, Victorino, Uehara, and on and on. The Sox have become the anti-Patriots.
Some of those guys have had their moments, but there just aren't nearly enough players on this roster that the Sox can actually rely on.
More and more I think there needs to be some organization-wide change, not simply firing the manager or the general manager, in order to really fix things.
Also, why did a team that is already so heavily invested in an ancient DH with no ability to play in the field sign -- for lots and lots of money -- two guys in the off-season who should be playing at DH and really drag the team down when they're forced to play in the field?
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This team stinks. Just really, really stinks. Keeps finding new and creative ways to lose. Today, they blow a 4-run lead, get two runners thrown out in one inning, and now Koji's blowing it, allowing a bunch of dinks and dunks.
Edit: And two more errors today by Sandoval. That's 2 two-error games for him in the last week.
Koji should of not been brought back. He was bad last season and I knew his game was going down
Tazawa could of been given the closer role
tazawa sucked when they tried him as closer. but then, so did uehara today so why not?
sandoval had an abysmal game. is this the best $20,000,000 gets you today in baseball? i refuse to refer to sandoval as "panda" since i like pandas. they are cute and fun...and they dont ****ing airmail throws to first base or let balls go through their legs. >:(
today was a true **** storm of incompetence by the sox. what was wendell thinking waving everyone home? ramirez in LF is a terror. sigh.
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This team stinks. Just really, really stinks. Keeps finding new and creative ways to lose. Today, they blow a 4-run lead, get two runners thrown out in one inning, and now Koji's blowing it, allowing a bunch of dinks and dunks.
Edit: And two more errors today by Sandoval. That's 2 two-error games for him in the last week.
Koji should of not been brought back. He was bad last season and I knew his game was going down
Tazawa could of been given the closer role
tazawa sucked when they tried him as closer. but then, so did uehara today so why not?
sandoval had an abysmal game. is this the best $20,000,000 gets you today in baseball? i refuse to refer to sandoval as "panda" since i like pandas. they are cute and fun...and they dont ****ing airmail throws to first base or let balls go through their legs. >:(
today was a true **** storm of incompetence by the sox. what was wendell thinking waving everyone home? ramirez in LF is a terror. sigh.
are you joking about wendell? I thought that was their old coach from like 5 years ago they called windmill wendell. They probably do need to fire their manager at this point. Castillo could be one of the worst signings in the history of baseball.
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Guys the Sox can count on (maybe) moving forward -
Bogaerts
Betts
Pedroia
Vasquez / Swihart
Castillo
Porcello (though he's super overpaid)
Eduardo Rodriguez (unless he's a flash in the pan)
Hanley should be playing DH. Full stop. They can't trade Ortiz, so they should platoon them or something. Hanley should not be playing in the field anymore. End of story.
Napoli, Sandoval, Victorino, Buccholz, Bradley Jr. .... Get what you can for them as far as I'm concerned.
The Sox aren't going to be great anytime soon. The answer is clearly not coming via trade or free agency. Use the rest of this season to figure out who among the aforementioned guys they can truly rely on, jettison the rest, and then start slotting in young guys from the minor league system and develop the team patiently.
Also, fire the scouts and stats projections guys and hire new ones, because the current ones have been feeding Ben bad info, clearly.
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They're the only team in the division to have no more than ONE three game winning streak, but they're also the only team in the division to not have a 5 game losing streak. When they're hitting started out okay to begin the season, they couldn't pitch. Then they fixed the pitching relatively speaking, and all of a sudden couldn't hit. Finally when it looked like they were starting to get pitching and hitting on somewhat of the same page, they lost their ability to handle basic baseball fundamentals and now can't run the bases or field the ball.
All of that is a way of saying this is just a mediocre to bad baseball team. At least with the other teams in the division, they sustained some winning baseball for a couple weeks. This team has yet to do that. And just think of all the wins they were gifted in the first few weeks with opponents committing all the errors they did...they're now 24-31, but could easily be something like 20-35. They're actually lucky to be in the position they're in and that's pretty scary.
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a big move needs to be made soon.
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I can live with the hitting going off and on. That's randomness. I can live with the pitching being bad. It's tough to find really good pitching, at least if you're the Red Sox.
What seems inexcusable to me is putting a team out there that can't seem to do anything right in the field. Finding guys who can at least avoid regularly making horrendous mistakes in the field isn't that hard. The teams that make it farthest in the playoffs seem to especially prioritize having competent defenders with the ability to get on base over having great power hitters.
Yet the Sox have put a bunch of questionable-to-horrible defenders with alleged above average power out there, and most of them can't get on base.
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This team stinks. Just really, really stinks. Keeps finding new and creative ways to lose. Today, they blow a 4-run lead, get two runners thrown out in one inning, and now Koji's blowing it, allowing a bunch of dinks and dunks.
Edit: And two more errors today by Sandoval. That's 2 two-error games for him in the last week.
Koji should of not been brought back. He was bad last season and I knew his game was going down
Tazawa could of been given the closer role
tazawa sucked when they tried him as closer. but then, so did uehara today so why not?
sandoval had an abysmal game. is this the best $20,000,000 gets you today in baseball? i refuse to refer to sandoval as "panda" since i like pandas. they are cute and fun...and they dont ****ing airmail throws to first base or let balls go through their legs. >:(
today was a true **** storm of incompetence by the sox. what was wendell thinking waving everyone home? ramirez in LF is a terror. sigh.
are you joking about wendell? I thought that was their old coach from like 5 years ago they called windmill wendell. They probably do need to fire their manager at this point. Castillo could be one of the worst signings in the history of baseball.
right, right, right...butterfield, not wendell. thanks for catching that. but each of them remind me of the other.
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This team stinks. Just really, really stinks. Keeps finding new and creative ways to lose. Today, they blow a 4-run lead, get two runners thrown out in one inning, and now Koji's blowing it, allowing a bunch of dinks and dunks.
Edit: And two more errors today by Sandoval. That's 2 two-error games for him in the last week.
Koji should of not been brought back. He was bad last season and I knew his game was going down
Tazawa could of been given the closer role
tazawa sucked when they tried him as closer. but then, so did uehara today so why not?
sandoval had an abysmal game. is this the best $20,000,000 gets you today in baseball? i refuse to refer to sandoval as "panda" since i like pandas. they are cute and fun...and they dont ****ing airmail throws to first base or let balls go through their legs. >:(
today was a true **** storm of incompetence by the sox. what was wendell thinking waving everyone home? ramirez in LF is a terror. sigh.
are you joking about wendell? I thought that was their old coach from like 5 years ago they called windmill wendell. They probably do need to fire their manager at this point. Castillo could be one of the worst signings in the history of baseball.
Also known as "Send 'em in Kim" (his full name was Wendell Kim). ;D
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This team stinks. Just really, really stinks. Keeps finding new and creative ways to lose. Today, they blow a 4-run lead, get two runners thrown out in one inning, and now Koji's blowing it, allowing a bunch of dinks and dunks.
Edit: And two more errors today by Sandoval. That's 2 two-error games for him in the last week.
Koji should of not been brought back. He was bad last season and I knew his game was going down
Tazawa could of been given the closer role
tazawa sucked when they tried him as closer. but then, so did uehara today so why not?
sandoval had an abysmal game. is this the best $20,000,000 gets you today in baseball? i refuse to refer to sandoval as "panda" since i like pandas. they are cute and fun...and they dont ****ing airmail throws to first base or let balls go through their legs. >:(
today was a true **** storm of incompetence by the sox. what was wendell thinking waving everyone home? ramirez in LF is a terror. sigh.
are you joking about wendell? I thought that was their old coach from like 5 years ago they called windmill wendell. They probably do need to fire their manager at this point. Castillo could be one of the worst signings in the history of baseball.
Also known as "Send 'em in Kim" (his full name was Wendell Kim). ;D
FYI...He passed away in Feb.
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This team stinks. Just really, really stinks. Keeps finding new and creative ways to lose. Today, they blow a 4-run lead, get two runners thrown out in one inning, and now Koji's blowing it, allowing a bunch of dinks and dunks.
Edit: And two more errors today by Sandoval. That's 2 two-error games for him in the last week.
Koji should of not been brought back. He was bad last season and I knew his game was going down
Tazawa could of been given the closer role
tazawa sucked when they tried him as closer. but then, so did uehara today so why not?
sandoval had an abysmal game. is this the best $20,000,000 gets you today in baseball? i refuse to refer to sandoval as "panda" since i like pandas. they are cute and fun...and they dont ****ing airmail throws to first base or let balls go through their legs. >:(
today was a true **** storm of incompetence by the sox. what was wendell thinking waving everyone home? ramirez in LF is a terror. sigh.
are you joking about wendell? I thought that was their old coach from like 5 years ago they called windmill wendell. They probably do need to fire their manager at this point. Castillo could be one of the worst signings in the history of baseball.
Also known as "Send 'em in Kim" (his full name was Wendell Kim). ;D
FYI...He passed away in Feb.
I do remember hearing about that. He was only 64.
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Ugh, when are they gonna clean house already?
Keep Pedroia and anybody else under 28 and get rid of the rest, for all I care.
On the management side, get rid of everybody you can below Lucchino, and tell Lucchino to stick to the business side of things.
It's going to take a long time to get rid of the rot that is eating away at this organization. Hopefully we don't have to wait for a new owner.
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That was the most embarrassing double-header I can remember, for sure.
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That was the most embarrassing double-header I can remember, for sure.
You know what I'm most tired of, though? Hearing, "Well this has got to be rock bottom," or some variation thereon, every time a horrible, no good, very bad day happens for the Sox.
This season is rock bottom. Or wait, was it the Bobby Valentine season? Or was it the season before that? Or wasn't last year supposed to be rock bottom?
Too much of Cherington's tenure has been "rock bottom." Bottom of the division, bottom of our expectations, bottom of viewer ratings because people tune out before we even hit the All-Star break.
I'm glad he signed Victorino, Napoli, and Gomes and those guys helped the team that was already in place win a World Series while riding the emotional high of not being managed by Bobby Valentine anymore and representing BOSTON STRONG. That was really cool.
The rest has been a dumpster fire.
Let's clean house.
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That is so true.
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That was the most embarrassing double-header I can remember, for sure.
You know what I'm most tired of, though? Hearing, "Well this has got to be rock bottom," or some variation thereon, every time a horrible, no good, very bad day happens for the Sox.
This season is rock bottom. Or wait, was it the Bobby Valentine season? Or was it the season before that? Or wasn't last year supposed to be rock bottom?
Too much of Cherington's tenure has been "rock bottom." Bottom of the division, bottom of our expectations, bottom of viewer ratings because people tune out before we even hit the All-Star break.
I'm glad he signed Victorino, Napoli, and Gomes and those guys helped the team that was already in place win a World Series while riding the emotional high of not being managed by Bobby Valentine anymore and representing BOSTON STRONG. That was really cool.
The rest has been a dumpster fire.
Let's clean house.
That all is true, but some of those same things were said about Theo Epstein in 2004 where much of the core of the team was actually obtained by Dan Duquette and supplemented with saavy vet pickups (Millar, Mueller, etc.) much in the same way Cherrington added guys like Victorino and Napoli to a team that Theo helped to construct. And Theo won another in 2007 and was responsible for a lot of the talent on the 2013 team.
I'm not disagreeing with you so much as saying that it just might not be that simple. Cherrington is doing a nice job with young talent and some of that may start to explode next year. Furthermore, I expect guys like Porcello and Panda to at least be better next year even if they never live up to their contracts.
Again, I'm not suggesting another World Series, but crazier things have happened.
The larger question is who is responsible for some of these terrible free agent signings on the major league level, Cherrington or pressure from ownership? If it's the latter, firing Cherrington won't solve that.
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All i can say is, i told you some folks we should of kept cespedes.
Porcello is a dud.
Cherington should be fired.
Yes you overpay and beat the nationals for Scherzer. You trade for Hamels
There was no need to sign ramirez or another dud (panda)
Extend cespedes. Bring back Gomes. Give ft mins to Rustny . outfield situation was a mess for no reason.
Fire cherington
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Whatever happened to the guy who got caught liking photos of girls on instagram in the dugout during a game? That dude is hilarious ;D.
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Hopefully Farrell will get treatment and get past his health issues.
Redsox have destroyed the Mariners the last 2 games. Jackie Bradley jr. looks like a monster player these days. 7 RBIs the last game.
I like the lineup and potential of
Betts RF
Holt 2B
Boegarts SS
Ortiz DH
Ramirez 1B
Sandoval 3B
Castillo LF
Swihart/Hannigan C
Bradley Jr. CF
Rodriguez
Wright
Owens
Bucholz
Miley
trade Porcello
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I'm not sure that firing Cherington is the right decision. Their big moves over the past year have been disasters, but I don't know how much of that falls on the ownership and Lucchino vs. Cherington. I suspect Cherington is the least to blame for those. Sandoval seems like more of a
Lucchino/Warner move and Henry is the one who is so strongly against giving large contracts to pitchers over 30. Cherington has done a fantastic job building up the farm system which is ranked number one by multiple sources and that does not take into account the young guys who have recently made it to the majors.
They are going to have to find out if HRam can play first. Otherwise, I don't know what they are going to do with him until Ortiz retires. I still can't believe a long time SS can't play left field. An outfield of Betts, Bradley, and Castillo could be exciting.
As far as the rotation, they are going to need to open the vault for a free agent pitcher like Price or Cueto which is something Henry has been adverse to.
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Hopefully Farrell will get treatment and get past his health issues.
Redsox have destroyed the Mariners the last 2 games. Jackie Bradley jr. looks like a monster player these days. 7 RBIs the last game.
I like the lineup and potential of
Betts RF
Holt 2B
Boegarts SS
Ortiz DH
Ramirez 1B
Sandoval 3B
Castillo LF
Swihart/Hannigan C
Bradley Jr. CF
Rodriguez
Wright
Owens
Bucholz
Miley
trade Porcello
Um ... no Pedroia?
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Hopefully Farrell will get treatment and get past his health issues.
Redsox have destroyed the Mariners the last 2 games. Jackie Bradley jr. looks like a monster player these days. 7 RBIs the last game.
I like the lineup and potential of
Betts RF
Holt 2B
Boegarts SS
Ortiz DH
Ramirez 1B
Sandoval 3B
Castillo LF
Swihart/Hannigan C
Bradley Jr. CF
Rodriguez
Wright
Owens
Bucholz
Miley
trade Porcello
Um ... no Pedroia?
He is injured so much year after year that he is almost non existant
Holt looks like Pedroia twin anyways. Is turning out to be a solid reliable 2b