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Title: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: FLCeltsFan on July 09, 2014, 10:36:20 PM
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Boston Celtics (2-1) at Orlando Magic (2-1)
Thursday, July 10, 2014
5:00 PM ET
TV:  CSNNE, NBA-TV
Online:  Summer League Live
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Roster
O.D. Anosike
Chris Babb
Dairis Bertans
Daniel Coursey
Colton Iverson
Edwin Jackson
Chris Johnson
Mike Moser
Devin Oliver
Kelly Olynyk
Phil Pressey
Marcus Smart
James Young

Player to Watch
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Marcus Smart has 3 games under his belt and has shown some improvement as he gets used to the NBA game.   In his last game he finished with 14 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, and 2 steals in the win over the Pistons.  For the Celtics to get another win, Smart needs to come up with a good game.

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Roster

Kadeem Betts
Matt Bouldin
Seth Curry
Dwayne Dedmon
Ashaun Dixon-Tatum
Kim English
Aaron Gordon
Luke Hancock
Cameron Jones
Josh Magette
Devyn Marble
Victor Oladipo
Romero Osby
Elfrid Payton
Kendrick Perry
Augustine Rubit
Scott Suggs
Vernon Macklin
Darrius Williams

Player to Watch
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Aaron Gordon
The Celtics were very interested in Gordon leading up to the draft and he was rumored to be at the top of their big board.  The Magic drafted him before the Celtics made their pick, so we won't know for sure if the Celtics would have taken Gordon or Smart if both were available.   He is averaging 6.7 points, 4.0 rebounds and 0.3 assists for Orlando in Summer League.

Key Matchup
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Phil Pressey vs Victor Oladipo
Pressey has been playing very well for the Celtics in Summer League.  The Celtics must make a decision whether to keep Pressey in their crowded back court or to release him before July 16 when his contract becomes guaranteed.    Oladipo has a year of NBA experience under his belt.   Oladipo is averaging 14.5 points, 6.5 rebounds and 2.0 assists in Summer League.  He is a part of the Magic's core for the future.   

Game Notes
Both teams are playing in their 4th game before the championship games begin on Friday.  The Celtics have 14 points while the Magic have 15 points.  8 points are up for grabs in this game (4 for a win and one for winning each quarter).  Philadelphia leads the points total with 22 points.  If the Magic win all 8 points, they could take over the lead.  The Celtics could tie Philadelphia for the top spot if they net all 8 points.  The points totals will determine their matchup for the final game on Friday.

The Celtics are playing in back to back games while the Magic have been off since Tuesday.  The Celtics will play 3 days in a row as they will need to play on Friday also to close out their Summer League action.  The Celtics are coming off a win over the Pistons while the Magic are coming off of a loss to the Grizzlies.

It will be interesting to watch Aaron Gordon, who may very well have been a Celtic is the Magic didn't pick him first.  Marcus Smart has shown improvement in his 3 games so far.  It would be good for him to close out Summer League with two strong performances.

Kelly Olynyk is 2-0 with his pony tail as opposed to the headband and flowing locks.  Hopefully we will see the pony tail again for this game. 
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: hwangjini_1 on July 09, 2014, 10:51:31 PM
flc. it is sooooo good to see your game threads back up. many thanks along with a tp.

goooooo celtics!!!!  :D
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: hpantazo on July 09, 2014, 10:57:42 PM
edit: wrong game thread
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 05:25:08 PM
Lets gooooo
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: NorthernLightning on July 10, 2014, 05:30:12 PM
KO not playing the back to back. maybe they want to get a look at other guys.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 05:32:53 PM
Love Smart's defense on Elfrid Payton, Pressey just keeps missing :/
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: esel1000 on July 10, 2014, 05:32:53 PM
Smart's defense looks good
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 05:35:10 PM
Seth Curry is a darn good shooter, it lies in the DNA i guess
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Mr October on July 10, 2014, 05:37:59 PM
I just caught Gordon failing to back down Marcus Smart in the post.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 05:37:59 PM
Haha I like how Gordon couldn't push Smart away, what a physique for a combo guard!
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Jailan34 on July 10, 2014, 05:40:04 PM
Haha I like how Gordon couldn't push Smart away, what a physique for a combo guard!

Smart's strength on display. He also passes much better than I thought he would. I see a lot of great passes from him and his teammates just aren't up to speed/fumble the ball for what would've been a guaranteed assist.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 05:47:12 PM
We are getting killed on the boards, which is no surprise since this is the Celtics, hahaha jk.
I'm surprised by how bad of a shooter Pressey is, thought he shot the ball much better in college, it hasn't translated though.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Mr October on July 10, 2014, 05:55:01 PM
We are getting killed on the boards, which is no surprise since this is the Celtics, hahaha jk.
I'm surprised by how bad of a shooter Pressey is, thought he shot the ball much better in college, it hasn't translated though.

Some of Pressey's bad shooting is poor decision making. He has no business trying to jack a shot in the face of the much bigger athletic Elfrid Payton.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Snakehead on July 10, 2014, 05:57:31 PM
We are getting killed on the boards, which is no surprise since this is the Celtics, hahaha jk.
I'm surprised by how bad of a shooter Pressey is, thought he shot the ball much better in college, it hasn't translated though.

Some of Pressey's bad shooting is poor decision making. He has no business trying to jack a shot in the face of the much bigger athletic Elfrid Payton.

I was happy with Pressey last year and think he looks in some ways better so far (I like some of his floaters/lay ins and he looks stronger) but his J is still pretty bad and he's trying to do too much.

But part of this is that it's summer league.  I feel some of the same way with Smart.  Their roles are so different on our actual roster that it doesn't mean much.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 06:01:10 PM
We are getting killed on the boards, which is no surprise since this is the Celtics, hahaha jk.
I'm surprised by how bad of a shooter Pressey is, thought he shot the ball much better in college, it hasn't translated though.

Some of Pressey's bad shooting is poor decision making. He has no business trying to jack a shot in the face of the much bigger athletic Elfrid Payton.
That's true as well, he hasn't done a good job with his decision making. But I was also thinking about the wide open threes that he continues to miss.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 10, 2014, 06:04:05 PM
This has been a pretty humbling summer league for Smart.  It reminds me a ton of when Marcus Banks was drafted... all the confidence in the world was lost pretty quickly when it became clear he was outmatched.

Hopefully Smart doesn't let this ruin his confidence.  With a lot of time and hard work, he can still be an effective player in the league.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Mr October on July 10, 2014, 06:05:59 PM
Payton continues to look like a really nice player. I want to see he and Smart go head to head. See if Smart can contain Payton's penetration.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Jailan34 on July 10, 2014, 06:06:22 PM
This has been a pretty humbling summer league for Smart.  It reminds me a ton of when Marcus Banks was drafted... all the confidence in the world was lost pretty quickly when it became clear he was outmatched.

Hopefully Smart doesn't let this ruin his confidence.  With a lot of time and hard work, he can still be an effective player in the league.

I don't think a few bad shooting games are going to ruin Smart's confidence. He's still hustling and having an impact on D which he obviously prides himself on.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 06:07:35 PM
I can see why Elfrid Payton was compared to Rondo, the guy is all over the floor!
A great statline with 7 rebounds already.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Mr October on July 10, 2014, 06:08:21 PM
This has been a pretty humbling summer league for Smart.  It reminds me a ton of when Marcus Banks was drafted... all the confidence in the world was lost pretty quickly when it became clear he was outmatched.

Hopefully Smart doesn't let this ruin his confidence.  With a lot of time and hard work, he can still be an effective player in the league.

Unlike Banks though, Smart knows how to play without just relying on scoring confidence. Smart is a nice passer, excellent defender on man and in the lanes, good rebounder. He will always get you something. He looks comfortable on the floor.

Banks never looked comfortable.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 06:30:36 PM
To be honest, I don't really like some of the "other" unknown guys, besides Moser, that Ainge has compiled this team with.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Snakehead on July 10, 2014, 06:31:42 PM
This has been a pretty humbling summer league for Smart.  It reminds me a ton of when Marcus Banks was drafted... all the confidence in the world was lost pretty quickly when it became clear he was outmatched.

Hopefully Smart doesn't let this ruin his confidence.  With a lot of time and hard work, he can still be an effective player in the league.

Unlike Banks though, Smart knows how to play without just relying on scoring confidence. Smart is a nice passer, excellent defender on man and in the lanes, good rebounder. He will always get you something. He looks comfortable on the floor.

Banks never looked comfortable.

It's pretty crazy to compare him to Marcus Banks.  His defense alone puts him in another league. 

Banks didn't contribute anything in the NBA.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: kozlodoev on July 10, 2014, 06:33:29 PM
Smart seems to have zero explosiveness in his first step. Hopefully he'll be more reliable shooting the ball, because he's surely not going to do damage driving.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 06:35:36 PM
Smart showing some range!
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Mr October on July 10, 2014, 06:41:08 PM
Smart is getting the better of Payton when they are matched up.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: knuckleballer on July 10, 2014, 06:45:01 PM
Smart is getting the better of Payton when they are matched up.

Smart is playing pretty well in the second half of this game. 
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Mr October on July 10, 2014, 06:45:37 PM
Smart seems to have zero explosiveness in his first step. Hopefully he'll be more reliable shooting the ball, because he's surely not going to do damage driving.

I didn't see an explosive first step in his college games either. He finished really well around the basket though. He'll get garbage points and offensive rebounds, fast breaks, cuts, post ups of smaller players.

You are right in that, if he wants to score with any consistency a better outside shot is critical.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: kozlodoev on July 10, 2014, 06:46:00 PM
Smart is getting the better of Payton when they are matched up.

Smart is playing pretty well in the second half of this game.
I just have a box score, but I'm still seeing way too many bricked threes.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: TA9 on July 10, 2014, 06:55:33 PM
Smart still managed 19 points even though he didn't shoot the ball all to well. Pressey on the other hand.. ugh.. 1/15.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: knuckleballer on July 10, 2014, 06:56:40 PM
Smart is getting the better of Payton when they are matched up.

Smart is playing pretty well in the second half of this game.
I just have a box score, but I'm still seeing way too many bricked threes.

I'm sure the coaches are telling him to let the three pointers fly.  If he were to take 9 threes in a regular season game, you would have to send him to the bench.  His shooting has a ways to go.

The rest of his game looked very strong this game (2nd half at least as a missed the first half).  He was shutting guys down defensively, getting loose balls, and generally creating havoc. 
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: LarBrd33 on July 10, 2014, 07:04:42 PM
This has been a pretty humbling summer league for Smart.  It reminds me a ton of when Marcus Banks was drafted... all the confidence in the world was lost pretty quickly when it became clear he was outmatched.

Hopefully Smart doesn't let this ruin his confidence.  With a lot of time and hard work, he can still be an effective player in the league.

Unlike Banks though, Smart knows how to play without just relying on scoring confidence. Smart is a nice passer, excellent defender on man and in the lanes, good rebounder. He will always get you something. He looks comfortable on the floor.

Banks never looked comfortable.

It's pretty crazy to compare him to Marcus Banks.  His defense alone puts him in another league. 

Banks didn't contribute anything in the NBA.
Banks was known for his pitbull size, defensive intensity and aggressive penetration. 

He was hailed for his obscene defensive pressure... it's why people still bring up his name when talking about Avery Bradley.  Defensive aggressiveness. 
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Snakehead on July 10, 2014, 07:07:06 PM
This has been a pretty humbling summer league for Smart.  It reminds me a ton of when Marcus Banks was drafted... all the confidence in the world was lost pretty quickly when it became clear he was outmatched.

Hopefully Smart doesn't let this ruin his confidence.  With a lot of time and hard work, he can still be an effective player in the league.

Unlike Banks though, Smart knows how to play without just relying on scoring confidence. Smart is a nice passer, excellent defender on man and in the lanes, good rebounder. He will always get you something. He looks comfortable on the floor.

Banks never looked comfortable.

It's pretty crazy to compare him to Marcus Banks.  His defense alone puts him in another league. 

Banks didn't contribute anything in the NBA.
Banks was known for his pitbull size, defensive intensity and aggressive penetration. 

He was hailed for his obscene defensive pressure... it's why people still bring up his name when talking about Avery Bradley.  Defensive aggressiveness.

If Banks played defense like Bradley he would have had a career.

I feel confident Smart will at least do that at an NBA level.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: kozlodoev on July 10, 2014, 07:07:34 PM
This has been a pretty humbling summer league for Smart.  It reminds me a ton of when Marcus Banks was drafted... all the confidence in the world was lost pretty quickly when it became clear he was outmatched.

Hopefully Smart doesn't let this ruin his confidence.  With a lot of time and hard work, he can still be an effective player in the league.

Unlike Banks though, Smart knows how to play without just relying on scoring confidence. Smart is a nice passer, excellent defender on man and in the lanes, good rebounder. He will always get you something. He looks comfortable on the floor.

Banks never looked comfortable.

It's pretty crazy to compare him to Marcus Banks.  His defense alone puts him in another league. 

Banks didn't contribute anything in the NBA.
Banks was known for his pitbull size, defensive intensity and aggressive penetration. 

He was hailed for his obscene defensive pressure... it's why people still bring up his name when talking about Avery Bradley.  Defensive aggressiveness.
The problem with Marcus Banks was that "aggressiveness" was about the only NBA skill he had  ;D
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Kuberski33 on July 10, 2014, 07:56:16 PM
Smart still managed 19 points even though he didn't shoot the ball all to well. Pressey on the other hand.. ugh.. 1/15.
It's been a very limited sampling but from I'm seeing, Smart has a soft touch but his mechanics look off.  To me, that's something that can be corrected with practice.  Pressey on the other hand doesn't look like he has any feel for shooting at all.  And that's exactly how he looked last year save for one early season game when he was hot and hit a bunch of 3's.

I've seen nothing from Smart yet that would make me think that it was a mistake to draft him.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Mazingerz on July 10, 2014, 08:10:31 PM
Was watching earlier. Man, pressey was out of control. Why was he given the green light to shoot threes? He couldnt even hit it even if he was wide open. He was a ballhog out there.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: NorthernLightning on July 10, 2014, 09:01:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDil3GF2ORM
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Celtics4ever on July 10, 2014, 09:21:22 PM
Quote
Banks was known for his pitbull size, defensive intensity and aggressive penetration. 

He was hailed for his obscene defensive pressure... it's why people still bring up his name when talking about Avery Bradley.  Defensive aggressiveness.

I recall more people harping on his speed than defense.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: acieEarl on July 10, 2014, 09:24:19 PM
Lets hope Smart isn't like Banks. I remember watching a bunch of Bank's summer league games and he was really impressive. Obviously Bank's skills didn't translate to the regular season but I think Smart can handle the big league and he'll do all right. Hopefully a better version of Nate Robinson/young Tim Hardway.
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Cman on July 10, 2014, 09:28:15 PM
How has Gordon looked out there?
Title: Re: Celtics (2-1) vs Magic (2-1) Summer League Game 4
Post by: Surferdad on July 21, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
Watching the replay on CSN tonight.