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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: footey on June 18, 2014, 07:57:10 AM
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http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2014/06/kevin_love_in_picky_situation
Seems like he hopes Danny pulls this off, and says that none of these picks is likely to get a player of Love's caliber. Also plays up the importance of making the trade to keep Rondo.
Not sure I agree with him, but am pretty sure Danny is going to do everything to make this trade happen.
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I wouldn't just blindly give up the house for Love. You get to a point where you're just ridiculously overpaying for him and that would be my biggest fear here. The good thing I don't feel like Danny has ever been the type to just cave in & sell the farm (even in the KG deal he didn't) and he certainly shouldn't here.
Love would be a great addition who i certainly wouldn't mind having around but I don't want it to come at the price of a great deal of the assets they've acquired in the past couple of years.
Like I'm not doing both Sully or KO. One or the other is fine.
Preferably wouldn't wanna give up more than 3 first rounders here. I'm fine with parting with both of this years and one of the future ones. Clippers or our own pick isn't gonna break it for me.
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I wouldn't just blindly give up the house for Love. You get to a point where you're just ridiculously overpaying for him and that would be my biggest fear here. The good thing I don't feel like Danny has ever been the type to just cave in & sell the farm (even in the KG deal he didn't) and he certainly shouldn't here.
Love would be a great addition who i certainly wouldn't mind having around but I don't want it to come at the price of a great deal of the assets they've acquired in the past couple of years.
Like I'm not doing both Sully or KO. One or the other is fine.
Preferably wouldn't wanna give up more than 3 first rounders here. I'm fine with parting with both of this years and one of the future ones. Clippers or our own pick isn't gonna break it for me.
It's not like these assets are that great and with these assets, you're probably not going to get a better return than Kevin Love.
I think the term asset has become a bit overused and overstated.
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I wouldn't just blindly give up the house for Love. You get to a point where you're just ridiculously overpaying for him and that would be my biggest fear here. The good thing I don't feel like Danny has ever been the type to just cave in & sell the farm (even in the KG deal he didn't) and he certainly shouldn't here.
Love would be a great addition who i certainly wouldn't mind having around but I don't want it to come at the price of a great deal of the assets they've acquired in the past couple of years.
Like I'm not doing both Sully or KO. One or the other is fine.
Preferably wouldn't wanna give up more than 3 first rounders here. I'm fine with parting with both of this years and one of the future ones. Clippers or our own pick isn't gonna break it for me.
The only picks I do not want to see traded are the future Net picks.
I also think three picks should be the limit of the traded picks unless the Celtics keep the 17 and trade away the Clippers pick and two of their future picks.
Or, the Celtics throw in the possible Philly pick.
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well he's right, the likelihood that one of our picks ends up averaging 26ppg and 12rpg is very slim. You are more likely to grab a bust in the draft than grab a bonafide all-star player
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I wouldn't just blindly give up the house for Love. You get to a point where you're just ridiculously overpaying for him and that would be my biggest fear here. The good thing I don't feel like Danny has ever been the type to just cave in & sell the farm (even in the KG deal he didn't) and he certainly shouldn't here.
Love would be a great addition who i certainly wouldn't mind having around but I don't want it to come at the price of a great deal of the assets they've acquired in the past couple of years.
Like I'm not doing both Sully or KO. One or the other is fine.
Preferably wouldn't wanna give up more than 3 first rounders here. I'm fine with parting with both of this years and one of the future ones. Clippers or our own pick isn't gonna break it for me.
It's not like these assets are that great and with these assets, you're probably not going to get a better return than Kevin Love.
I think the term asset has become a bit overused and overstated.
Oh, there is certainly an unknown here with the draft picks but I also think giving up 4 or 5 1st rounders will be an overpay here. Why pay it if you don't have to?
You hold onto them and use them down the road either actually using it in the draft or as part of another trade package down the road to help the team.
That's an asset. It's not necessary going to be utilized as a draft pick and they could very well need to do another trade down the road anyways to get this team over the top.
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I wouldn't just blindly give up the house for Love. You get to a point where you're just ridiculously overpaying for him and that would be my biggest fear here. The good thing I don't feel like Danny has ever been the type to just cave in & sell the farm (even in the KG deal he didn't) and he certainly shouldn't here.
Love would be a great addition who i certainly wouldn't mind having around but I don't want it to come at the price of a great deal of the assets they've acquired in the past couple of years.
Like I'm not doing both Sully or KO. One or the other is fine.
Preferably wouldn't wanna give up more than 3 first rounders here. I'm fine with parting with both of this years and one of the future ones. Clippers or our own pick isn't gonna break it for me.
It's not like these assets are that great and with these assets, you're probably not going to get a better return than Kevin Love.
I think the term asset has become a bit overused and overstated.
Oh, there is certainly an unknown here with the draft picks but I also think giving up 4 or 5 1st rounders will be an overpay here. Why pay it if you don't have to?
You hold onto them and use them down the road either actually using it in the draft or as part of another trade package down the road to help the team.
That's an asset. It's not necessary going to be utilized as a draft pick and they could very well need to do another trade down the road anyways to get this team over the top.
Maybe I am wrong but I don't think Ainge is going to have to give up 4 to 5 picks for Love.
I would think at the most 3 picks (like our 2 picks this year and maybe the 2015 Clippers pick OR one of our picks this year and the 2016 or 2018 Brooklyn pick.)
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If danny overpays for melo part2 we will be paying for it in the long run. Neither love or trying to keep rondo is worth over paying.
Trying to keep someone like a kg would be a diff story
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If danny overpays for melo part2 we will be paying for it in the long run. Neither love or trying to keep rondo is worth over paying.
Trying to keep someone like a kg would be a diff story
so, your plan is to just keep drafting in the lottery, hoping one of those picks becomes a HOF player? or only becoming good when you can get a HOF player?
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I wouldn't just blindly give up the house for Love. You get to a point where you're just ridiculously overpaying for him and that would be my biggest fear here. The good thing I don't feel like Danny has ever been the type to just cave in & sell the farm (even in the KG deal he didn't) and he certainly shouldn't here.
Love would be a great addition who i certainly wouldn't mind having around but I don't want it to come at the price of a great deal of the assets they've acquired in the past couple of years.
Like I'm not doing both Sully or KO. One or the other is fine.
Preferably wouldn't wanna give up more than 3 first rounders here. I'm fine with parting with both of this years and one of the future ones. Clippers or our own pick isn't gonna break it for me.
The only picks I do not want to see traded are the future Net picks.
I also think three picks should be the limit of the traded picks unless the Celtics keep the 17 and trade away the Clippers pick and two of their future picks.
Or, the Celtics throw in the possible Philly pick.
yeah 3 is my limit and any number of players not named rondo.
I want to see Love here and I might be willing to offer more picks if it was a guarantee he'd be here for more than a yr. I hope Ainge doesn't sell the house to get him. leaving us nothing to add to rondo and love.
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Bulpett is a journalist when last I looked not our GM and tis a good a thing.
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If danny overpays for melo part2 we will be paying for it in the long run. Neither love or trying to keep rondo is worth over paying.
Trying to keep someone like a kg would be a diff story
so, your plan is to just keep drafting in the lottery, hoping one of those picks becomes a HOF player? or only becoming good when you can get a HOF player?
I don't know if it's his plan...but if you're giving me two options, 1. Give up the farm on Love so that you have nothing but dust to trade/draft in the future or 2. Save the picks, get the two best guys we can this year, teach them what it means to be a Celtic and see what the 2015 off season brings...I'll choose option 2 every time.
3 draft picks no more...the line is drawn here. If we want to involve other players, different story...but a straight trade for Love...3 picks.
Rak
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A team of Rondo (assuming a near max contract), Love (max contract) and parts are not going to be enough long term. Green excels as a third or fourth option and we need to be sure we can attract a big free agent that can play both ends to compete over the course of the the re-upped contracts.
Give up all the rebuilding assets as we would be going all in anyway.
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If Ainge can convince Love and Rondo (and their agents) that they will need to take less than market value if they really want to build a championship team, then okay, let's roll. But if they are projecting max or near max deals for both, pass.
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If danny overpays for melo part2 we will be paying for it in the long run. Neither love or trying to keep rondo is worth over paying.
Trying to keep someone like a kg would be a diff story
so, your plan is to just keep drafting in the lottery, hoping one of those picks becomes a HOF player? or only becoming good when you can get a HOF player?
His plan from the start on here has been to only acquire HOF players. No one is good enough unless they are one of the greatest players to ever play the game for him.
Hint: He doesn't really use any logically thinking when making his points.
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Yeah Danny can claim that we are trading for a one year rental -regardless if he knows Love's plans or not- so why give up more than Sully+the 6th+17th+ Bogans+ Bass. If they want another pick then give us Dieng retake Wallace back. If you want us to take back Martin then we keep a pick.
The hard part is discerning which other teams are genuinely willing to give up similarly valuable assets without an extension guarantee.
All these trade ideas including 2 future picks and taking back Kevin Martin are more likely to be pretty over the top considering the above mentioned 'other' offers are likely to be relatively low when it comes time to pull the trigger. Look at what Dwight fetched, what Harden fetched etc...
It's likely not going to be just the 6th pick and Olynk. But it's also not going to be the 6th+17th+2 Brooklyn picks+Olynyk.
If we want to add real championship pieces and want to be able to afford them then we can't do things like take back Kevin Martin and give up the 2017 pick swap and 2018 Brooklyn picks without making them take back Wallace or giving us value in return. How do we get Afflalo or Stephenson with Kevin Martin taking up $7 million? How do we pay free agent centers $ 12 million or trade for another star without those Brooklyn picks?
The flip side is that all it takes to get more than asking price for a real estate listing is two bidders who fall in love with the house for sale. The sooner this deal gets done the better.
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a 1st round pick, maybe with some player fillers, my somewhat of a dream scenario
Rondo/Bradley/Melo/Love/Jordan
probably will never happen, but hey NBA is over for the summer, gotta dream right :D
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This article reads to me more like Bulpett's response to those of the posters on the front page here over the past two days who don't want to give up picks and/or KO or Sully for Love.
It doesn't sound like he's advocating handing over all the C's assets, but multiple assets in order to get the deal done.
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I have no problem with giving up the two picks this year, Sully or KO and one more future first, even one of the Nets'. That's because Ainge can then use the TPE to bring in another big piece, whether it's Asik or someone else. I don't think you can give up more than that because then it hampers your ability to make future moves. Rondo, Bradley, Green, Love and Asik with KO, Bass, etc. off the bench is good enough to make some noise in the playoffs but does anyone think it's a title team? One more big move or several medium moves would still be needed.
Mike
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This article reads to me more like Bulpett's response to those of the posters on the front page here over the past two days who don't want to give up picks and/or KO or Sully for Love.
It doesn't sound like he's advocating handing over all the C's assets, but multiple assets in order to get the deal done.
Bullpett: "With three first-round picks from Brooklyn and another from the Clippers in the coming years ? as well as their own choices ? the Celts should have a very strong arsenal with which to march into battle."
I dunno, maybe I am misconstruing, but seems he favors making available most of our picks to get the deal done.
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If danny overpays for melo part2 we will be paying for it in the long run. Neither love or trying to keep rondo is worth over paying.
Trying to keep someone like a kg would be a diff story
so, your plan is to just keep drafting in the lottery, hoping one of those picks becomes a HOF player? or only becoming good when you can get a HOF player?
His plan from the start on here has been to only acquire HOF players. No one is good enough unless they are one of the greatest players to ever play the game for him.
Hint: He doesn't really use any logically thinking when making his points.
Well the title of the thread is about giving up the entire stockpile for Love. I wouldn't do it, it would be a huge overpay like in Carmelos case. That doesn't mean that I don't want Love and I want to just use pick after pick and wallow in mediocrity. I'm more than willing to call triboy out on his knee jerk reactions and over exaggerations, but this isn't one of them.
Kevin Love isn't enough to get this team over the top, another shoes gonna have to drop at some point and we need to have something left over to make it happen when the opportunity presents itself.
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I wouldn't just blindly give up the house for Love. You get to a point where you're just ridiculously overpaying for him and that would be my biggest fear here. The good thing I don't feel like Danny has ever been the type to just cave in & sell the farm (even in the KG deal he didn't) and he certainly shouldn't here.
Love would be a great addition who i certainly wouldn't mind having around but I don't want it to come at the price of a great deal of the assets they've acquired in the past couple of years.
Like I'm not doing both Sully or KO. One or the other is fine.
Preferably wouldn't wanna give up more than 3 first rounders here. I'm fine with parting with both of this years and one of the future ones. Clippers or our own pick isn't gonna break it for me.
It's not like these assets are that great and with these assets, you're probably not going to get a better return than Kevin Love.
I think the term asset has become a bit overused and overstated.
I think you're seriously underestimating our assets. We can (and probably should) trade anyone on the roster right now for Love, but I would be very hesitant in trading some of our draft picks, especially the Brooklyn ones, for him, since he's unlikely to play a major role on a Title contending team.
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A team of Rondo (assuming a near max contract), Love (max contract) and parts are not going to be enough long term. Green excels as a third or fourth option and we need to be sure we can attract a big free agent that can play both ends to compete over the course of the the re-upped contracts.
Give up all the rebuilding assets as we would be going all in anyway.
But we wouldnt be giving up all our assets. IF we give up even 4 first rounders for Love, we still have 6 first rounds picks the next 5 years to play around with. That is not giving up the farm...considering the returning player you are getting
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A team of Rondo (assuming a near max contract), Love (max contract) and parts are not going to be enough long term. Green excels as a third or fourth option and we need to be sure we can attract a big free agent that can play both ends to compete over the course of the the re-upped contracts.
Give up all the rebuilding assets as we would be going all in anyway.
But we wouldnt be giving up all our assets. IF we give up even 4 first rounders for Love, we still have 6 first rounds picks the next 5 years to play around with. That is not giving up the farm...considering the returning player you are getting
That's why this is a no brainer, the 2 picks this year, 1 next year (it wont be a lottery pick anyway), Sully or KO. Maybe others to make the $$$ work, but I think that should do it. We still would have all the BK picks to dangle later, if they want more call Minn's bluff and see if they cave. No way Love goes to training camp with Minn.
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A team of Rondo (assuming a near max contract), Love (max contract) and parts are not going to be enough long term. Green excels as a third or fourth option and we need to be sure we can attract a big free agent that can play both ends to compete over the course of the the re-upped contracts.
Give up all the rebuilding assets as we would be going all in anyway.
But we wouldnt be giving up all our assets. IF we give up even 4 first rounders for Love, we still have 6 first rounds picks the next 5 years to play around with. That is not giving up the farm...considering the returning player you are getting
That's why this is a no brainer, the 2 picks this year, 1 next year (it wont be a lottery pick anyway), Sully or KO. Maybe others to make the $$$ work, but I think that should do it. We still would have all the BK picks to dangle later, if they want more call Minn's bluff and see if they cave. No way Love goes to training camp with Minn.
I agree, no way we should give up the Brooklyn picks especially with other teams refusing to make more substantial offers. We don't have to give up fair value for Love, just a little more than anyone else is willing to.
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I don't think we need to worry about Ainge overpaying for Love, or for anyone else for that matter. Danny's a smart guy, and I don't think he's ever been accused of overpaying; in fact, he's usually accused of doing what any good GM would do?lowballing potential trade partners, going for the steal.
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since he's unlikely to play a major role on a Title contending team.
Seriously? ???
Who on earth CAN play a major role on a title contending team? Kawhi Leonard?
I think this "Love isn't good enough" crap is complete and utter nonsense.
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I'm not overrating these picks but i just don't understand why you're underrating them. There's & there will be many players in the draft who can be better than Kevin Love. It's not like he is a Jordan type of player, even if he was there will still be some players who will be better than him. I say keep these picks.
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since he's unlikely to play a major role on a Title contending team.
Seriously? ???
Who on earth CAN play a major role on a title contending team? Kawhi Leonard?
I think this "Love isn't good enough" crap is complete and utter nonsense.
Put your money where your mouth is. Explain to me why I'm wrong.
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I changed heading from "entire" stockpile to "huge" stockpile, since he did not say they should literally give up every single asset. That would be absurd, but thought I would clarify just in case.
Hyperbole strikes again.
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since he's unlikely to play a major role on a Title contending team.
Seriously? ???
Who on earth CAN play a major role on a title contending team? Kawhi Leonard?
I think this "Love isn't good enough" crap is complete and utter nonsense.
Put your money where your mouth is. Explain to me why I'm wrong.
Kawhi Leonard proves that you're wrong. He never averaged more than 12/6 and won the finals MVP this year. If you look at Kawhi Leonard and still seriously believe that Love cannot contribute to a title contender, then I don't know what to say to you. It takes more than 1 man to win a title.
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Worrying about overpaying for Love should not be our main concern. Lowballing Minnesota and having some team like GSW come in and scoop him up would be a disaster. It was never Ainge's 1st option to actually use all these picks. He was trying to collect enough assets to do almost exactly what he did for our last championship, package and trade them for proven allstars. We will soon have Love, god willing, and in a year or two he will make almost the same kind of trade for a 3rd allstar.
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This article reads to me more like Bulpett's response to those of the posters on the front page here over the past two days who don't want to give up picks and/or KO or Sully for Love.
It doesn't sound like he's advocating handing over all the C's assets, but multiple assets in order to get the deal done.
Bullpett: "With three first-round picks from Brooklyn and another from the Clippers in the coming years ? as well as their own choices ? the Celts should have a very strong arsenal with which to march into battle."
I dunno, maybe I am misconstruing, but seems he favors making available most of our picks to get the deal done.
That would be insane. To me, it reads as, "The C's have plenty of firsts to spare, as well as some young-player assets." I don't see any, "Clear the table, send everything the C's own over to Minny" in the article.
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Not sure where this thread is trying to go but to get back to the idea of giving up a huge stock pile for Love. Minni currently has #13 plus 3 second round picks. Most of the talk is give them a deal that starts with Celtics #6 and #17. That would be 3 firsts and 3 seconds. Seems like too many picks for one year.
Maybe there is some truth to the point that Minni wants players, not just draft picks. I don't think our young players hold the kind of promise that Minni would want but seems like we could use our picks to get players from other teams. The other teams could use the picks to help them get Carmelo (if sign and trade is the path).
I still hope they are able to pull off a Love trade that leaves us Rondo, Avery, and Green along with enough assets to get Asik and otherwise round out the roster over the next season or so.
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Bullpett is now saying that the only hope to Land love is a 3-way deal because the wolves don't want our assets.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/celtics_insider/2014/06/celtics_offers_for_love_not_drawing_minnesotas_affection
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since he's unlikely to play a major role on a Title contending team.
Seriously? ???
Who on earth CAN play a major role on a title contending team? Kawhi Leonard?
I think this "Love isn't good enough" crap is complete and utter nonsense.
Put your money where your mouth is. Explain to me why I'm wrong.
Kawhi Leonard proves that you're wrong. He never averaged more than 12/6 and won the finals MVP this year. If you look at Kawhi Leonard and still seriously believe that Love cannot contribute to a title contender, then I don't know what to say to you. It takes more than 1 man to win a title.
I don't think Kawhi Leonard makes it to the Finals as the best player on his team, which is where your correlation gets bizarre, since Love would be the best player on our team (and, by my reckoning, that team wouldn't make it to the Finals)
Leonard + Duncan + Parker + incredible bench depth > Rondo + Love + spare parts
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since he's unlikely to play a major role on a Title contending team.
Seriously? ???
Who on earth CAN play a major role on a title contending team? Kawhi Leonard?
I think this "Love isn't good enough" crap is complete and utter nonsense.
Put your money where your mouth is. Explain to me why I'm wrong.
Kawhi Leonard proves that you're wrong. He never averaged more than 12/6 and won the finals MVP this year. If you look at Kawhi Leonard and still seriously believe that Love cannot contribute to a title contender, then I don't know what to say to you. It takes more than 1 man to win a title.
I don't think Kawhi Leonard makes it to the Finals as the best player on his team, which is where your correlation gets bizarre, since Love would be the best player on our team (and, by my reckoning, that team wouldn't make it to the Finals)
Leonard + Duncan + Parker + incredible bench depth > Rondo + Love + spare parts
And you continue to assume that after Love, the rebuilding stops. That assumption makes no sense. First, it is clear that we would still need to upgrade at center and either SF or SG in order to compete for a championship, and obviously throw together a decent bench. Nobody is saying get Love and we're instant contenders. We have plenty of ammo to go out and get more pieces.
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Bullpett is now saying that the only hope to Land love is a 3-way deal because the wolves don't want our assets.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/celtics_insider/2014/06/celtics_offers_for_love_not_drawing_minnesotas_affection
Obviously there have been multiple threads on this, but it matches my thought again. Our players (Sully and KO and anyone not named Rondo) simply do not have as much value as many fans think.
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Bullpett is now saying that the only hope to Land love is a 3-way deal because the wolves don't want our assets.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/celtics_insider/2014/06/celtics_offers_for_love_not_drawing_minnesotas_affection
Obviously there have been multiple threads on this, but it matches my thought again. Our players (Sully and KO and anyone not named Rondo) simply do not have as much value as many fans think.
It could be posturing, as the Wolves look for more possible deals.
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Love is not kg and everyone knows he is leaving Twolves....we should not have to give the farm for him.
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Until draft night we are going to continue to get conflicting reports as it gets closer to trade deadline. Obviously if you are Flip you want to get the most out of any team.
ultimately though I think the C's ultimately end up with love. its all posturing on both sides
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since he's unlikely to play a major role on a Title contending team.
Seriously? ???
Who on earth CAN play a major role on a title contending team? Kawhi Leonard?
I think this "Love isn't good enough" crap is complete and utter nonsense.
Put your money where your mouth is. Explain to me why I'm wrong.
Kawhi Leonard proves that you're wrong. He never averaged more than 12/6 and won the finals MVP this year. If you look at Kawhi Leonard and still seriously believe that Love cannot contribute to a title contender, then I don't know what to say to you. It takes more than 1 man to win a title.
I don't think Kawhi Leonard makes it to the Finals as the best player on his team, which is where your correlation gets bizarre, since Love would be the best player on our team (and, by my reckoning, that team wouldn't make it to the Finals)
Leonard + Duncan + Parker + incredible bench depth > Rondo + Love + spare parts
And you continue to assume that after Love, the rebuilding stops. That assumption makes no sense. First, it is clear that we would still need to upgrade at center and either SF or SG in order to compete for a championship, and obviously throw together a decent bench. Nobody is saying get Love and we're instant contenders. We have plenty of ammo to go out and get more pieces.
That's not really my position, but that's ok -- I realize not everyone reads all of my posts.
San Antonio snagged Kawhi Leonard, who was a vital role player (and one of my favorite spurs, behind Patty Mills), for Georg Hill.
We got Kevin Garnett for considerably more than that.
I think that Kevin Love skews more towards the Leonard half of that spectrum, based on the 75-ish Timberwolves games I've seen over the last two seasons, as far as contributions to a team that wants a title. That influences my opinion on what would be an acceptable price for him, as well as where I put him in the pecking order of targets.
He's the ultimate stretch four. He's a great rebounder. He's got some inflated numbers from playing on a pretty terrible team, and he's also not the kind of player that can dramatically raise his teammate's play.
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Love is not kg and everyone knows he is leaving Twolves....we should not have to give the farm for him.
There we go with the farm again.
Where's Elmer Fudd when you need him?
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Bullpett is now saying that the only hope to Land love is a 3-way deal because the wolves don't want our assets.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/celtics_insider/2014/06/celtics_offers_for_love_not_drawing_minnesotas_affection
It sounds like somebody in Minny just doesn't like Boston very much [personally]. In the end, the Wolves need to do what's best for their future and if GS isn't giving up Thompson, Boston's deal seems to obviously be the best one. I can't imagine this is more than just posturing.
Thanks for posting, though.
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since he's unlikely to play a major role on a Title contending team.
Seriously? ???
Who on earth CAN play a major role on a title contending team? Kawhi Leonard?
I think this "Love isn't good enough" crap is complete and utter nonsense.
Put your money where your mouth is. Explain to me why I'm wrong.
Kawhi Leonard proves that you're wrong. He never averaged more than 12/6 and won the finals MVP this year. If you look at Kawhi Leonard and still seriously believe that Love cannot contribute to a title contender, then I don't know what to say to you. It takes more than 1 man to win a title.
I don't think Kawhi Leonard makes it to the Finals as the best player on his team, which is where your correlation gets bizarre, since Love would be the best player on our team (and, by my reckoning, that team wouldn't make it to the Finals)
Leonard + Duncan + Parker + incredible bench depth > Rondo + Love + spare parts
And you continue to assume that after Love, the rebuilding stops. That assumption makes no sense. First, it is clear that we would still need to upgrade at center and either SF or SG in order to compete for a championship, and obviously throw together a decent bench. Nobody is saying get Love and we're instant contenders. We have plenty of ammo to go out and get more pieces.
That's not really my position, but that's ok -- I realize not everyone reads all of my posts.
San Antonio snagged Kawhi Leonard, who was a vital role player (and one of my favorite spurs, behind Patty Mills), for Georg Hill.
We got Kevin Garnett for considerably more than that.
I think that Kevin Love skews more towards the Leonard half of that spectrum, based on the 75-ish Timberwolves games I've seen over the last two seasons, as far as contributions to a team that wants a title. That influences my opinion on what would be an acceptable price for him, as well as where I put him in the pecking order of targets.
He's the ultimate stretch four. He's a great rebounder. He's got some inflated numbers from playing on a pretty terrible team, and he's also not the kind of player that can dramatically raise his teammate's play.
The Spurs traded for a draft pick. Do you really think they could trade Hill to get Leonard the player established in the NBA now?
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They traded for the draft pick on the condition that Leonard was still on the board. ;)
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Lol at bulpetts article that the nets future picks don't have value
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They traded for the draft pick on the condition that Leonard was still on the board. ;)
Correct. A rookie who did not have close to the value he has now.
Could they have made that trade today?
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Oh, right. No, certainly not.
But, to follow up on the latest Durant scandal, I don't think Leonard is any better than, say, Paul George. Part of the reason I'm so hesitant to part with any of the Brooklyn picks (which was my point) is that I'm fairly confident one of them will turn out to be more important to future Celtics titles than Kevin Love.
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Flip is just posturing... GS will not give up Klay and no one else can compete with with a high pick plus Sullinger, just to start.. In the end the market will go down a bit and if the Celtics give up more than 3 firsts and Sullinger, and expiring contract then its a flop for the Celtics...
I can see the 6th and 17th plus the Clippers pick next year with Sully and Bogans.. not a dime more
plus if you still have enough go after Noah.. couple more first and Olynck
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Oh, right. No, certainly not.
But, to follow up on the latest Durant scandal, I don't think Leonard is any better than, say, Paul George. Part of the reason I'm so hesitant to part with any of the Brooklyn picks (which was my point) is that I'm fairly confident one of them will turn out to be more important to future Celtics titles than Kevin Love.
I don't want the Celtics to include those picks as well.
But both picks this year? Sure
The Clipper pick? Yes
Future Boston picks. Yep.
The Philly pick. Yes.
Just don't send out more then three picks.
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Agreed on all counts.