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Title: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: LarBrd33 on June 18, 2014, 02:44:04 AM
Just saw this:

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The Los Angeles Clippers are reportedly exploring the possibility of creating enough cap space to sign LeBron James should he explore leaving the Miami Heat.

The Clippers could create cap space by trading away DeAndre Jordan and Jamal Crawford, while unloading Jared Dudley by attaching a future first round pick.

James is close friends with Chris Paul and those two would form a new Big 3 along with Blake Griffin.

There have previously been reports that the Heat could be amenable to a sign-and-trade if Griffin were to be traded.

James may elect to opt-in for the 14-15 season, which would allow him to have more options while seeing if the Heat can make one more run as currently constructed.
Via Bill Simmons/ESPN

DeAndre makes about 11 mil a year.  Couldn't we attach picks to the Pierce trade exception and absorb his salary... thus allowing the Clippers to free up room for LeBron?

Shall we add him to the pipe dream list of true centers along with Asik, Gortat, and Sanders?
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: MISSERY on June 18, 2014, 02:46:30 AM
welcome clippers bandwagons, the new clippers fans
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: Robb on June 18, 2014, 04:09:28 AM
I think his salary needs to be under the TPE and not a penny over.  Am I right?

If I'm not, then I would still prefer Asik, but I wouldn't have an issue with helping dismantle the Heat. If we could make another impact/win soon trade all the better. East just got way worse and the West  that much tougher.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: Roy H. on June 18, 2014, 08:18:23 AM
I think his salary needs to be under the TPE and not a penny over.  Am I right?

There's a $100k buffer, I believe.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: gpap on June 18, 2014, 08:33:30 AM
I must say Lebron, CP3 and Blake would be nasty
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 18, 2014, 08:37:36 AM
Realty check I think they would want to keep him to stay viable with Bron.  But he is the likeliest of the big pay guys to get cut.   I would rather have him than Gortat or Asik I think but I doubt we can afford it without going over the cap ourselves.   Love, Jordan and Rondo isn't going to get it done, folks.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: arctic 3.0 on June 18, 2014, 08:53:10 AM
Realty check I think they would want to keep him to stay viable with Bron.  But he is the likeliest of the big pay guys to get cut.   I would rather have him than Gortat or Asik I think but I doubt we can afford it without going over the cap ourselves.   Love, Jordan and Rondo isn't going to get it done, folks.
Rondo, love, Jordan, green and a knockdown 3 PT shooter at 2 is good enough for 2-4 seed.

Also anyone know if TE can be combined with other pieces in a trade?
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: Evantime34 on June 18, 2014, 09:03:31 AM
Realty check I think they would want to keep him to stay viable with Bron.  But he is the likeliest of the big pay guys to get cut.   I would rather have him than Gortat or Asik I think but I doubt we can afford it without going over the cap ourselves.   Love, Jordan and Rondo isn't going to get it done, folks.
Rondo, love, Jordan, green and a knockdown 3 PT shooter at 2 is good enough for 2-4 seed.

Also anyone know if TE can be combined with other pieces in a trade?
Just curious if that is good enough for a 2-4 seed who is the 1 seed? If Miami loses LeBron it won't be them. After the playoffs, I have no faith in Indiana so I think that lineup could compete for the top spot.

I personally would use the TPE and throw in two firsts to get DeAndre.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: fantankerous on June 18, 2014, 09:09:34 AM
Jordan's salary is too high to use the TPE. 
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: manl_lui on June 18, 2014, 09:11:54 AM
a 1st round pick, maybe with some player fillers, my somewhat of a dream scenario

Rondo/Bradley/Melo/Love/Jordan

probably will never happen, but hey NBA is over for the summer, gotta dream right :D
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: jambr380 on June 18, 2014, 09:17:33 AM
According to HoopsHype, he makes $11,440,123 in 2014-15 (and just under $11,000,000 in 2013-14) so it would have to be 'this' year if we were to acquire him with the Pierce TPE.

And, yes, I would love love love to have him on the Cs. We discuss advanced metrics to describe how great Asik is defensively - those metrics aren't needed when discussing DeAndre. He is super-athletic, grabs a ton of rebounds and gets blocks with ease. If it takes an extra pick or two, I am all for it.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: Fafnir on June 18, 2014, 09:25:47 AM
I'd certainly take him, I don't know if I'd send 2 picks for him unless I knew there were going to be low picks. He's a great player for a contending team to give them size and athleticism but his contract is onerous for any other situation.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: pearljammer10 on June 18, 2014, 09:26:30 AM
This would be an absolute dream scenario come true for me. I don't see it happening though.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: pearljammer10 on June 18, 2014, 09:28:42 AM
I'd certainly take him, I don't know if I'd send 2 picks for him unless I knew there were going to be low picks. He's a great player for a contending team to give them size and athleticism but his contract is onerous for any other situation.

I don't really see how 11 mil for a player averaging 14 rebounds a game and 2.5+ blocks a game as a defensive game changer is all that terrible.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: rondohondo on June 18, 2014, 09:29:14 AM
this is nonsense

The clippers would have to move

Jordan
Reddick
Crawford


just to have enough to offer a max contract .

That's not happening

If they want Lebron , it will be a Blake Griffin and filler for Lebron .
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: D.o.s. on June 18, 2014, 09:55:02 AM
Just saw this:

Quote

The Los Angeles Clippers are reportedly exploring the possibility of creating enough cap space to sign LeBron James should he explore leaving the Miami Heat.

The Clippers could create cap space by trading away DeAndre Jordan and Jamal Crawford, while unloading Jared Dudley by attaching a future first round pick.

James is close friends with Chris Paul and those two would form a new Big 3 along with Blake Griffin.

There have previously been reports that the Heat could be amenable to a sign-and-trade if Griffin were to be traded.

James may elect to opt-in for the 14-15 season, which would allow him to have more options while seeing if the Heat can make one more run as currently constructed.
Via Bill Simmons/ESPN

DeAndre makes about 11 mil a year.  Couldn't we attach picks to the Pierce trade exception and absorb his salary... thus allowing the Clippers to free up room for LeBron?

Shall we add him to the pipe dream list of true centers along with Asik, Gortat, and Sanders?

Doc's shaping up to be a fairly bleh GM, and the Dudley thing is part of the reason why.

Bledsoe = Reddick + Dudley - 2nd round pick [- (Dudley + first rounder) + undetermined asset].

That's not a good return for Eric Bledsoe.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: manl_lui on June 18, 2014, 10:01:53 AM
Just saw this:

Quote

The Los Angeles Clippers are reportedly exploring the possibility of creating enough cap space to sign LeBron James should he explore leaving the Miami Heat.

The Clippers could create cap space by trading away DeAndre Jordan and Jamal Crawford, while unloading Jared Dudley by attaching a future first round pick.

James is close friends with Chris Paul and those two would form a new Big 3 along with Blake Griffin.

There have previously been reports that the Heat could be amenable to a sign-and-trade if Griffin were to be traded.

James may elect to opt-in for the 14-15 season, which would allow him to have more options while seeing if the Heat can make one more run as currently constructed.
Via Bill Simmons/ESPN

DeAndre makes about 11 mil a year.  Couldn't we attach picks to the Pierce trade exception and absorb his salary... thus allowing the Clippers to free up room for LeBron?

Shall we add him to the pipe dream list of true centers along with Asik, Gortat, and Sanders?

Doc's shaping up to be a fairly bleh GM, and the Dudley thing is part of the reason why.

Bledsoe = Reddick + Dudley - 2nd round pick [- (Dudley + first rounder) + undetermined asset].

That's not a good return for Eric Bledsoe.

can Doc give us a Celtics discount for Jordan then :)
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: jambr380 on June 18, 2014, 10:02:49 AM
this is nonsense

The clippers would have to move

Jordan
Reddick
Crawford


just to have enough to offer a max contract .

That's not happening

If they want Lebron , it will be a Blake Griffin and filler for Lebron .

It maybe far-fetched, but if we acquired Jordan (for instance), we would give them at least a first rounder. They could use that first rounder to dump off Crawford or Redick to another team - and that is only if  teams wouldn't take either or both of those guys off the Clips hands for free (which is reasonable since they are still quality players).

If you are Lebron, would you rather have DeAndre, Redick, and Crawford OR Blake Griffin and veteran role players looking to catch on a contender?

Also, wouldn't it be possible for the Clips to then take that TPE and trade for a guy like Asik?
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: fantankerous on June 18, 2014, 10:15:05 AM
According to HoopsHype, he makes $11,440,123 in 2014-15 (and just under $11,000,000 in 2013-14) so it would have to be 'this' year if we were to acquire him with the Pierce TPE.

And, yes, I would love love love to have him on the Cs. We discuss advanced metrics to describe how great Asik is defensively - those metrics aren't needed when discussing DeAndre. He is super-athletic, grabs a ton of rebounds and gets blocks with ease. If it takes an extra pick or two, I am all for it.

The TPE is for 10,275,136.  It's not large enough to acquire Jordan at his 2013-14 salary.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: D.o.s. on June 18, 2014, 10:19:46 AM
Just saw this:

Quote

The Los Angeles Clippers are reportedly exploring the possibility of creating enough cap space to sign LeBron James should he explore leaving the Miami Heat.

The Clippers could create cap space by trading away DeAndre Jordan and Jamal Crawford, while unloading Jared Dudley by attaching a future first round pick.

James is close friends with Chris Paul and those two would form a new Big 3 along with Blake Griffin.

There have previously been reports that the Heat could be amenable to a sign-and-trade if Griffin were to be traded.

James may elect to opt-in for the 14-15 season, which would allow him to have more options while seeing if the Heat can make one more run as currently constructed.
Via Bill Simmons/ESPN

DeAndre makes about 11 mil a year.  Couldn't we attach picks to the Pierce trade exception and absorb his salary... thus allowing the Clippers to free up room for LeBron?

Shall we add him to the pipe dream list of true centers along with Asik, Gortat, and Sanders?

Doc's shaping up to be a fairly bleh GM, and the Dudley thing is part of the reason why.

Bledsoe = Reddick + Dudley - 2nd round pick [- (Dudley + first rounder) + undetermined asset].

That's not a good return for Eric Bledsoe.

can Doc give us a Celtics discount for Jordan then :)

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: jambr380 on June 18, 2014, 10:24:04 AM
According to HoopsHype, he makes $11,440,123 in 2014-15 (and just under $11,000,000 in 2013-14) so it would have to be 'this' year if we were to acquire him with the Pierce TPE.

And, yes, I would love love love to have him on the Cs. We discuss advanced metrics to describe how great Asik is defensively - those metrics aren't needed when discussing DeAndre. He is super-athletic, grabs a ton of rebounds and gets blocks with ease. If it takes an extra pick or two, I am all for it.

The TPE is for 10,275,136.  It's not large enough to acquire Jordan at his 2013-14 salary.

Yeah, other sites seem to back up your number. I have only gone by what people have said around here and 11 Mill is what is typically thrown around - I guess I started to just accept this number (as I am sure others have). So much for this deal - unless we get creative with non-guaranteed contracts.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: Nef-Oracle on June 19, 2014, 01:44:14 PM
Enough of these "what if" thread. We tired  about it.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: Monkhouse on June 19, 2014, 01:49:20 PM
Enough of these "what if" thread. We tired  about it.

Then don't read it...

We have the option to scroll and choose which threads we want to look at. Clearly, you cared enough to type this rude comment of yours. At least show some respect, or civility, and not post at all.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on June 19, 2014, 01:50:14 PM
Kevin Garnett.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: D.o.s. on June 19, 2014, 01:56:41 PM
Enough of these "what if" thread. We tired  about it.

Then don't read it...

We have the option to scroll and choose which threads we want to look at. Clearly, you cared enough to type this rude comment of yours. At least show some respect, or civility, and not post at all.

Agreed.

I also don't appreciate people speaking on my behalf.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: saltlover on June 19, 2014, 02:13:53 PM
I imagine if the Clippers get Bron, it will require a sign-and-trade, and Jordan would seem to be their main trade piece, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

The player that interests me, especially in more of a rebuilding situation where we don't get Love and move on from players like Green, is Jared Dudley.  He stunk last year, and the Clippers might be forced to give up a draft pick to get rid of him.  His contract isn't that ridiculous, ($4.25 mil the next two years, with an ETO the final year) however, and he'd been at least serviceable prior to this most recent season.  He's completely in Doc's doghouse, but he could be a great change-of-scenery candidate, and we'd likely get a pick instead of giving one away to acquire him.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: gpap on June 19, 2014, 02:16:21 PM
this is nonsense

The clippers would have to move

Jordan
Reddick
Crawford


just to have enough to offer a max contract
.

That's not happening

If they want Lebron , it will be a Blake Griffin and filler for Lebron .

With the season the Clippers had, I don't see any one of those 3 guys being that hard to move.

Personally, I'd love to have any one of those guys on the Celts.

Also, I gotta say, Lebron to the Clippers would be a great fit.

And as a Celtics fan, let's hope he goes out west.

One less contender in the East we have to worry about.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: D.o.s. on June 19, 2014, 02:19:21 PM
Plus every single team in the East would bend over backwards to help facilitate a LeBron to Clippers trade.
Title: Re: If Clippers target Bron, what would you give up for Deandre?
Post by: gpap on June 19, 2014, 02:27:49 PM
Plus every single team in the East would bend over backwards to help facilitate a LeBron to Clippers trade.

Yup.

Plus The Clippers and Doc especially, owes us one.