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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: sed522002 on June 17, 2014, 10:20:07 AM
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Jay O @MrTrpleDouble10 26m
h/t to ==> RT @KevinOConnorNBA: Here is the latest from Chad Ford on Kevin Love rumors. pic.twitter.com/TVRInGr6G5
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That made my day ;D
How recent was this written?
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That made my day ;D
How recent was this written?
I guess today
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Danny is not going to give up that many assets for a potential 1 year rental.
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This has been the vibe I've gotten from all the naysaying and rumors of "better offers" TWolves management has been putting out. They're claiming there are better offers because they desperately want to up Love's price, either from others or by getting us to bid against ourselves. Problem is most smaller market teams aren't biting because they know Love won't stay, and a lot of the bigger teams are rebuilding or facing luxury tax issues.
I'm really hoping if we get Love that we're able to hang on to the #17, we could get a nice young piece at that spot, maybe another scoring wing that we desperately need. Doesn't look like it'll happen, though.
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Is there any doubt that Flip is actually the "source close to Flip?" They're trying to drive up the price. It's not difficult to establish what the Cs can offer for players, but all they need to do is get reporters to up the Cs inclusion of 1st rounders and maybe the Wolves can get some of those on the table from the other suitors.
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Danny is not going to give up that many assets for a potential 1 year rental.
I don't think he's saying that he'll give up ALL of that (hope not). I think he's just using it as an example of what all Danny can offer.
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This has been the vibe I've gotten from all the naysaying and rumors of "better offers" TWolves management has been putting out. They're claiming there are better offers because they desperately want to up Love's price, either from others or by getting us to bid against ourselves. Problem is most smaller market teams aren't biting because they know Love won't stay, and a lot of the bigger teams are rebuilding or facing luxury tax issues.
I'm really hoping if we get Love that we're able to hang on to the #17, we could get a nice young piece at that spot, maybe another scoring wing that we desperately need. Doesn't look like it'll happen, though.
I also think Love has been put on the back burner for some teams because they're trying to see what Lebron and Co. are going to do.
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This has been the vibe I've gotten from all the naysaying and rumors of "better offers" TWolves management has been putting out. They're claiming there are better offers because they desperately want to up Love's price, either from others or by getting us to bid against ourselves. Problem is most smaller market teams aren't biting because they know Love won't stay, and a lot of the bigger teams are rebuilding or facing luxury tax issues.
By all reports everyone is still low-balling, and will probably continue to due so until the draft is very close at hand.
The list of everything the C's "could" offer is consistently put out there with what "has" been offered. Jackie Mac has said that all-in sort of offer hasn't been made. It'd be interesting to know just how far Danny is willing to push.
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Danny is not going to give up that many assets for a potential 1 year rental.
I don't think he's saying that he'll give up ALL of that (hope not). I think he's just using it as an example of what all Danny can offer.
Well if he cant offer most if not all it doesnt end up becoming the best offer.
The prospects at 6 and 17 I think have done enough at the workouts to entice ainge to not trade them. If this was the 2012 or 2013 draft, ainge likely does this trade without a thought
BS plus rondo and love is a bad mix. BS is better suited for a full rebuild moving fwd imo
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This has been the vibe I've gotten from all the naysaying and rumors of "better offers" TWolves management has been putting out. They're claiming there are better offers because they desperately want to up Love's price, either from others or by getting us to bid against ourselves. Problem is most smaller market teams aren't biting because they know Love won't stay, and a lot of the bigger teams are rebuilding or facing luxury tax issues.
I'm really hoping if we get Love that we're able to hang on to the #17, we could get a nice young piece at that spot, maybe another scoring wing that we desperately need. Doesn't look like it'll happen, though.
I also think Love has been put on the back burner for some teams because they're trying to see what Lebron and Co. are going to do.
Yes and no. I think until the Miami opt outs are decided some teams aren't making any moves. But the teams in the Love hunt really aren't involved in the LeBron situation.
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It's up within the last hour. I suspect 6+17 + BKN 2016.
And it's very unlikely that it's a 1 year rental. Too much money would be lost by Love.
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Danny is not going to give up that many assets for a potential 1 year rental.
I don't think he's saying that he'll give up ALL of that (hope not). I think he's just using it as an example of what all Danny can offer.
Well if he cant offer most if not all it doesnt end up becoming the best offer.
The prospects at 6 and 17 I think have done enough at the workouts to entice ainge to not trade them. If this was the 2012 or 2013 draft, ainge likely does this trade without a thought
BS plus rondo and love is a bad mix. BS is better suited for a full rebuild moving fwd imo
Why?
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According to a rival GM, the Minnesota Timberwolves are ready to trade Kevin Love by draft night.
PBT
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This has been the vibe I've gotten from all the naysaying and rumors of "better offers" TWolves management has been putting out. They're claiming there are better offers because they desperately want to up Love's price, either from others or by getting us to bid against ourselves. Problem is most smaller market teams aren't biting because they know Love won't stay, and a lot of the bigger teams are rebuilding or facing luxury tax issues.
I'm really hoping if we get Love that we're able to hang on to the #17, we could get a nice young piece at that spot, maybe another scoring wing that we desperately need. Doesn't look like it'll happen, though.
I also think Love has been put on the back burner for some teams because they're trying to see what Lebron and Co. are going to do.
Yes and no. I think until the Miami opt outs are decided some teams aren't making any moves. But the teams in the Love hunt really aren't involved in the LeBron situation.
I think Chicago is the only team that comes to mind that was reportedly backing off from Love to see what the Heat do.
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Danny is not going to give up that many assets for a potential 1 year rental.
I don't think he's saying that he'll give up ALL of that (hope not). I think he's just using it as an example of what all Danny can offer.
Well if he cant offer most if not all it doesnt end up becoming the best offer.
The prospects at 6 and 17 I think have done enough at the workouts to entice ainge to not trade them. If this was the 2012 or 2013 draft, ainge likely does this trade without a thought
BS plus rondo and love is a bad mix. BS is better suited for a full rebuild moving fwd imo
How would say that? Brad Stevens is a bright young coach, plus ownership doesn't want to be in the lottery any more, so you can put the cancel on the 5 year plan which could turn into the 10 year plan if those picks bust out. Love is a top 12 player now.
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Danny is not going to give up that many assets for a potential 1 year rental.
I don't think he's saying that he'll give up ALL of that (hope not). I think he's just using it as an example of what all Danny can offer.
Well if he cant offer most if not all it doesnt end up becoming the best offer.
The prospects at 6 and 17 I think have done enough at the workouts to entice ainge to not trade them. If this was the 2012 or 2013 draft, ainge likely does this trade without a thought
BS plus rondo and love is a bad mix. BS is better suited for a full rebuild moving fwd imo
Stevens and rondo and love are a bad mix? Elite passing pg with stretch elite scoring and rebounding PF with motion offense man Brad Stevens. A bad mix?
And you think the 6th pick is worth enough to not want to trade for Love now?
You honestly don't think Ainge would trade 6+17+Sully for Love?
Triboy my friend, your view of the Celtics world never ceases to make me smile. You get me almost every time I log on to good ol' Celticsblog.
Go on, pull the reel back in...cast another lure....you didn't catch me this time. Hehe.
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I too think the C's "could" offer the best package given their assets, but how far is Danny willing to go?
Either way, I just want this over by draft. I don't want this whole Love situation lingering into July and August.
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BS plus rondo and love is a bad mix.
???
A high BBIQ coach, plus two high BBIQ players is a bad mix?
If you could build a prototypical 4 to play with Rondo, you'd probably get something relatively close to Love. His ability to shoot and defensive rebound to start the fastbreak is an ideal fit next to Rondo. A Rondo/Love pick & pop game would be pretty hard to guard. Do you know how many coaches would love to have 2 all-star players their 2nd year coaching? At Butler, Stevens made it to the NCAA Finals, he's use to winning even with an underdog team. I'm sure he doesn't mind babysitting the kiddies, but all coaches want to win sooner rather than later.
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Triboy has been pretty vocal about his opinion of our young guys and lottery picks this year. He clearly thinks very highly of them.
While I don't exactly agree, it's certainly his right to hold that opinion.
I just hope Flip feels the same way.
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A few things. Does everyone think its true that no one else can or would choose to beat an offer of #6, #17 and Sullinger? Then is that too much to offer? I could certainly imagine that it doesn't work out well as Gordon becomes a stud and Sullinger becomes better and stays healthy. Still, I would do it. But then where are the Celtics at? We still need a center. You have to worry about Rondo's ball movement and shooting. Green is inconsistent. I like Olynk to play minutes at 3 positions but we need rim defenders. I don't think Asik is good enough.
Can we get Noah? Any other ideas?
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A few things. Does everyone think its true that no one else can or would choose to beat an offer of #6, #17 and Sullinger? Then is that too much to offer? I could certainly imagine that it doesn't work out well as Gordon becomes a stud and Sullinger becomes better and stays healthy. Still, I would do it. But then where are the Celtics at? We still need a center. You have to worry about Rondo's ball movement and shooting. Green is inconsistent. I like Olynk to play minutes at 3 positions but we need rim defenders. I don't think Asik is good enough.
Can we get Noah? Any other ideas?
question is, do you bet your future on "luck" or say "we already have an all-star, lets grab another one"
Gordon is just as likely to be a bust as he is to develop into an all-star. and how long do you want to wait for him to develop into an all-star? and get the pieces in the team to compete. as Rondo likely would leave without another allstar like Love
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I think somehow Minnesota messes this up. I believe they won't pull the trigger on an offer during the draft and will instead wait until free agency or even the trade deadline to deal him at which point the offer will be much less.
I personally would prefer keeping the 17th pick in the deal and replacing it with another future pick. I hope we aren't giving up four firsts unless on of them is Philly's "first".
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A few things. Does everyone think its true that no one else can or would choose to beat an offer of #6, #17 and Sullinger? Then is that too much to offer? I could certainly imagine that it doesn't work out well as Gordon becomes a stud and Sullinger becomes better and stays healthy. Still, I would do it. But then where are the Celtics at? We still need a center. You have to worry about Rondo's ball movement and shooting. Green is inconsistent. I like Olynk to play minutes at 3 positions but we need rim defenders. I don't think Asik is good enough.
Can we get Noah? Any other ideas?
question is, do you bet your future on "luck" or say "we already have an all-star, lets grab another one"
Gordon is just as likely to be a bust as he is to develop into an all-star. and how long do you want to wait for him to develop into an all-star? and get the pieces in the team to compete. as Rondo likely would leave without another allstar like Love
I agree. That's why I said I would still do it. But then what? We need to extend Love and Rondo, unless you want to trade Rajon. There is no guy I would want more at the rim and next to Love than Noah.
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A few things. Does everyone think its true that no one else can or would choose to beat an offer of #6, #17 and Sullinger? Then is that too much to offer? I could certainly imagine that it doesn't work out well as Gordon becomes a stud and Sullinger becomes better and stays healthy. Still, I would do it. But then where are the Celtics at? We still need a center. You have to worry about Rondo's ball movement and shooting. Green is inconsistent. I like Olynk to play minutes at 3 positions but we need rim defenders. I don't think Asik is good enough.
Can we get Noah? Any other ideas?
question is, do you bet your future on "luck" or say "we already have an all-star, lets grab another one"
Gordon is just as likely to be a bust as he is to develop into an all-star. and how long do you want to wait for him to develop into an all-star? and get the pieces in the team to compete. as Rondo likely would leave without another allstar like Love
I agree. That's why I said I would still do it. But then what? We need to extend Love and Rondo, unless you want to trade Rajon. There is no guy I would want more at the rim and next to Love than Noah.
well, Obviously other shoes need to fall and other moves need to be made to make the C's a leigit contender in the East...but there is no one I trust more to do that than Danny Ainge.
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A few things. Does everyone think its true that no one else can or would choose to beat an offer of #6, #17 and Sullinger? Then is that too much to offer? I could certainly imagine that it doesn't work out well as Gordon becomes a stud and Sullinger becomes better and stays healthy. Still, I would do it. But then where are the Celtics at? We still need a center. You have to worry about Rondo's ball movement and shooting. Green is inconsistent. I like Olynk to play minutes at 3 positions but we need rim defenders. I don't think Asik is good enough.
Can we get Noah? Any other ideas?
Make a strong move for Gortat (who has expressed his love for the Celtics and wants to play here), and we'd be set. For true fireworks, we have to be able to get Melo with all of these
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According to a rival GM, the Minnesota Timberwolves are ready to trade Kevin Love by draft night.
PBT
Yeah, they more or less have to, at least on a handshake level, to actually be able to decide what rookies they'll be bringing in next year. I expect the rumors will heat up over the next several days as we get closer to draft day.
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Love was the no.1 option on a team which lacked offence, has a injury history and never been to the play offs. And from reports, his team hates how he points fingers. He like PG, the only option on a offensively bad team.
Plus he could Dwight and bolt after 1 year, you never give up to much for that. If anything, give up #6, #17, another #1 round pick, and some salary for a sign and trade to get Melo if he's willing. Then and only then, if he rejects, you go for love.
Melo has been to the play offs, all but this year and has won a scoring title. He also can play defence, when he can be bothered. Love can't play defense, and that is important in the post season.
Unless, he agrees to a extension, or new contract, then don't bother. You need a center for a guy like love on your team. Melo can play SF/PF and Defence, while scoring.
If Lebron leaves, then only he is above Melo as the best player to trade for.
Watch Love come, and this team be medicore.
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So...
Sullinger, Bogans, Bass (or Faverani + Anthony) and the 6th (and perhaps the future first from the Clips?) for Love
17th and the Pierce TE for Asik
Resign some bodies, use the MLE... where do I sign up?
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A few things. Does everyone think its true that no one else can or would choose to beat an offer of #6, #17 and Sullinger? Then is that too much to offer? I could certainly imagine that it doesn't work out well as Gordon becomes a stud and Sullinger becomes better and stays healthy. Still, I would do it. But then where are the Celtics at? We still need a center. You have to worry about Rondo's ball movement and shooting. Green is inconsistent. I like Olynk to play minutes at 3 positions but we need rim defenders. I don't think Asik is good enough.
Can we get Noah? Any other ideas?
Make a strong move for Gortat (who has expressed his love for the Celtics and wants to play here), and we'd be set. For true fireworks, we have to be able to get Melo with all of these
I like Gortat. Yeah we then need a wing who is better than Green. I would keep Bradley too.
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www.sportando.com/m/en/usa/nba/123143/celtics-are-preparing-a-big-offer-for-kevin-love.html
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www.sportando.com/m/en/usa/nba/123143/celtics-are-preparing-a-big-offer-for-kevin-love.html
Sportando is citing Ford. In principle, they don't really have their own sources, and rank rather low on my totem pole of reliable sports pundits.
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I like Gortat. Yeah we then need a wing who is better than Green. I would keep Bradley too.
Could that wing by Hayward? Everyone knows Stevens loves him.
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I like Gortat. Yeah we then need a wing who is better than Green. I would keep Bradley too.
Could that wing by Hayward? Everyone knows Stevens loves him.
Hayward is not better than Green. If anything, he's comparable.
I'm also not sure why you need to replace Green if he's going to be your third best player. He's fine.
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Can a Gortat + Love duo really play any defense? They would be amazing on offense though
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I like Gortat. Yeah we then need a wing who is better than Green. I would keep Bradley too.
Could that wing by Hayward? Everyone knows Stevens loves him.
Hayward is not better than Green. If anything, he's comparable.
I'm also not sure why you need to replace Green if he's going to be your third best player. He's fine.
I agree, I'd be inclined to keep Jeff. But you have to get a starting caliber 2 guard and move Avery to the bench.
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I like Gortat. Yeah we then need a wing who is better than Green. I would keep Bradley too.
Could that wing by Hayward? Everyone knows Stevens loves him.
Hayward is not better than Green. If anything, he's comparable.
I'm also not sure why you need to replace Green if he's going to be your third best player. He's fine.
Yay, finally some realistic Jeff Green praise. TP.
As far as SG goes, say it with me now... A-fflal-o...A-fflal-o....A-fflal-o.
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Can a Gortat + Love duo really play any defense? They would be amazing on offense though
I'd hate the Love + Gortat combination for the same reason I hated Love + Pekovic in Minnesota. Perhaps we can convince the Rockets to trade us Asik for a pick and a TE instead? :P
As for the starting caliber SG, Bradley one-dimensional and certainly not great, but if you've got Love, Rondo, and Green, perhaps you can get away with this.
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A T-Wolves board had this poll:
29% Bulls - Mirotic or T.Gibson + Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th FOR Love + Martin + Budinge
52% Celtics - 6# + 17# + BKN 2016 + Sullinger + A.Bradley (S&T) (4 Years - 26-28 M$ Maybe ?) + B.Bass + J.Anthony FOR Love + K.Martin
20% Other teams deals
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T-Wolves fans apparently see it as a 2-team race since they didn't bother to break out the possible GSW, PHX, or HOU deals. GSW will likely have tried to pitch something to Minn. I suspect HOU is focused on Melo from what I've read. Have no idea what PHX may be thinking and whether they'd trade Bledsoe (who is a RFA, maybe looking for the max, and has durability issues) and whether Minnesota would want to pay him the max.
FWIW, I said their Cs deal wasn't one we'd be crazy about (mostly because swapping AB for Martin doesn't appeal to me), but it's not a crazy deal either. Interestingly, they really don't like any deal with GSW that involves David Lee and view his contract as a bad one. GSW has to move Lee in any Love deal (evern if it's to a 3rd team) and I get the sense that the perception of Lee is negative for the money he makes (similar to Love's current contract) from reading various forums and pundits.
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So taking up Kevin Martin's 3-year obligation AND giving up three first rounders? Yeah, I don't think so (as in, yes, this is pretty crazy). If that's the deal, I'll take my chances with Love on the open market next season.
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Hey what if we trade away the 6#, 17#,sully,(s&T) Bradley,Bass and wallace FOR 13# pick,Love and martin.
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So taking up Kevin Martin's 3-year obligation AND giving up three first rounders? Yeah, I don't think so (as in, yes, this is pretty crazy). If that's the deal, I'll take my chances with Love on the open market next season.
Yeah, I'd take on that contract if we dropped a pick (probably the #17), and swapped Brooklyn 2016 for LAC 2015. Otherwise it's a bit much, especially since there don't seem to be many other plausible offers out there.
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A T-Wolves board had this poll:
29% Bulls - Mirotic or T.Gibson + Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th FOR Love + Martin + Budinge
52% Celtics - 6# + 17# + BKN 2016 + Sullinger + A.Bradley (S&T) (4 Years - 26-28 M$ Maybe ?) + B.Bass + J.Anthony FOR Love + K.Martin
20% Other teams deals
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T-Wolves fans apparently see it as a 2-team race since they didn't bother to break out the possible GSW, PHX, or HOU deals. GSW will likely have tried to pitch something to Minn. I suspect HOU is focused on Melo from what I've read. Have no idea what PHX may be thinking and whether they'd trade Bledsoe (who is a RFA, maybe looking for the max, and has durability issues) and whether Minnesota would want to pay him the max.
FWIW, I said their Cs deal wasn't one we'd be crazy about (mostly because swapping AB for Martin doesn't appeal to me), but it's not a crazy deal either. Interestingly, they really don't like any deal with GSW that involves David Lee and view his contract as a bad one. GSW has to move Lee in any Love deal (evern if it's to a 3rd team) and I get the sense that the perception of Lee is negative for the money he makes (similar to Love's current contract) from reading various forums and pundits.
I would do this deal. Martin is a productive sg who would fit very well next to Rondo. We would still have some assets left to trade for Asik or Gortat and put a legit contending quality starting 5 on the floor. I also can't rationalize sacrificing a potential top twenty player to keep Bradley, who is a third guard at best on a good team.
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A T-Wolves board had this poll:
29% Bulls - Mirotic or T.Gibson + Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th FOR Love + Martin + Budinge
52% Celtics - 6# + 17# + BKN 2016 + Sullinger + A.Bradley (S&T) (4 Years - 26-28 M$ Maybe ?) + B.Bass + J.Anthony FOR Love + K.Martin
20% Other teams deals
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T-Wolves fans apparently see it as a 2-team race since they didn't bother to break out the possible GSW, PHX, or HOU deals. GSW will likely have tried to pitch something to Minn. I suspect HOU is focused on Melo from what I've read. Have no idea what PHX may be thinking and whether they'd trade Bledsoe (who is a RFA, maybe looking for the max, and has durability issues) and whether Minnesota would want to pay him the max.
FWIW, I said their Cs deal wasn't one we'd be crazy about (mostly because swapping AB for Martin doesn't appeal to me), but it's not a crazy deal either. Interestingly, they really don't like any deal with GSW that involves David Lee and view his contract as a bad one. GSW has to move Lee in any Love deal (evern if it's to a 3rd team) and I get the sense that the perception of Lee is negative for the money he makes (similar to Love's current contract) from reading various forums and pundits.
I wonder what would happen to their poll if the Chi trade said Mirotic AND Gibson, which is closer to what has been reported.
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Rather have Asik over Gortat if what we are giving up is similar package. Asik is the better defender and rebounder, 2 years younger, and on an expiring contract. He could also possibly be used in a s+t after next season to land Marc Gasol if he wants out of Memphis.
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FWIW, Ford had us taking Gordon, Smart, or Vonleh at 6, but he's changed his tone from Gordon being a strong probability, even if he favors him for our slot. At 17, he has Ainge taking LaVine:
"LaVine is a difficult prospect to project. On raw talent, he's one of the top 10 players in this draft. But as a basketball player, he still has a long way to go. Celtics boss Danny Ainge hasn't been afraid to swing for the fences with players like this in the past, and I think at 17, the reward outweighs the risk. The wild card here is Missouri's Jordan Clarkson, who continues to move up the draft boards with stellar workouts."
We will likely need to draft a guard somewhere, but Ainge, despite his willingness to take risks, strikes me as a guy who will grab sliders where others will shy away, rather than reach (and LaVine is a major reach).
Gordon and LaVine would be a tough combination for me to like.
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I like Gortat. Yeah we then need a wing who is better than Green. I would keep Bradley too.
Could that wing by Hayward? Everyone knows Stevens loves him.
Hayward is not better than Green. If anything, he's comparable.
I'm also not sure why you need to replace Green if he's going to be your third best player. He's fine.
Yay, finally some realistic Jeff Green praise. TP.
As far as SG goes, say it with me now... A-fflal-o...A-fflal-o....A-fflal-o.
Rondo, Afflalo, Green and the Asik trade can go miles to solve the drawbacks of a Love trade. For all of Green's perceived issues, he's hit a good few clutch shots and game winners.
The only thing I don't agree with is your pronunciation of Afflalo. I think you have to separate the Fs :)
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I've been saying this for a month now. If this does happen regardless of Melo coming I can see Boston bringing Pierce back and KG agreeing to a buyout in Brooklyn to come back. Only fitting
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I've been saying this for a month now. If this does happen regardless of Melo coming I can see Boston bringing Pierce back and KG agreeing to a buyout in Brooklyn to come back. Only fitting
ONE last shot at Lebron and the Heat? Lets do it!
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I've been saying this for a month now. If this does happen regardless of Melo coming I can see Boston bringing Pierce back and KG agreeing to a buyout in Brooklyn to come back. Only fitting
ONE last shot at Lebron and the Heat? Lets do it!
At that point, you might as well bring back Ray too... I'd gladly have him off our bench. I think maybe the success of the Spurs would make those guys want to try one more time...
More likely all 3 join the Clips, though.
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I don't have any insight into this, but I really think KG retires.
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A T-Wolves board had this poll:
29% Bulls - Mirotic or T.Gibson + Boozer + Butler + 16th + 19th FOR Love + Martin + Budinge
52% Celtics - 6# + 17# + BKN 2016 + Sullinger + A.Bradley (S&T) (4 Years - 26-28 M$ Maybe ?) + B.Bass + J.Anthony FOR Love + K.Martin
20% Other teams deals
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T-Wolves fans apparently see it as a 2-team race since they didn't bother to break out the possible GSW, PHX, or HOU deals. GSW will likely have tried to pitch something to Minn. I suspect HOU is focused on Melo from what I've read. Have no idea what PHX may be thinking and whether they'd trade Bledsoe (who is a RFA, maybe looking for the max, and has durability issues) and whether Minnesota would want to pay him the max.
FWIW, I said their Cs deal wasn't one we'd be crazy about (mostly because swapping AB for Martin doesn't appeal to me), but it's not a crazy deal either. Interestingly, they really don't like any deal with GSW that involves David Lee and view his contract as a bad one. GSW has to move Lee in any Love deal (evern if it's to a 3rd team) and I get the sense that the perception of Lee is negative for the money he makes (similar to Love's current contract) from reading various forums and pundits.
I wonder what would happen to their poll if the Chi trade said Mirotic AND Gibson, which is closer to what has been reported.
Big issue is including Mirotic, who most likely isn't looking to go to Minn. Deal aslo includes Boozer and getting him out of the deal isn't easy.
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I don't have any insight into this, but I really think KG retires.
probably.
I hope so, actually.
THen I hope mid-season Brooklyn is struggling and KG decides he wants to come out of retirement to join a suddenly relevant Celtic team... and they work out a deal to let him do it.
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KG is toast. He really fell off the face of the earth this season.
May collect another big paycheck, but unlikely to be anywhere other than BKN.
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When was the last time a rookie coach plus vets (egos) have panned out well?? BS is fresh from college and wasnt even an assistant in the nba before.
Rondo misses a flight so he can have his bday party. Not a good example for the rest of the guys but BS cannot do nothing much about it. Kevin Love doesnt defend a player to the end and rushes for a rebound opportunity when another player does it and they get yanked.
BS will do better with a younger lineup so that he can mold the team the way he wants it to be. Have a system in place first and not one or two players act free
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Question: If Minnesota is seriously considering the C's offer, wouldn't it be better if they had time to work out players at 6 well before the draft takes place? I assume guys like Smart, Gordon, and Vonleh have not worked out for Minnesota who is picking 13th currently.
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BS will do better with a younger lineup so that he can mold the team the way he wants it to be. Have a system in place first and not one or two players act free
I think one of the big benefits Boston has, as compared to any other rebuilding teams and even some contenders, is a definitive culture. Sure, Stevens doesn't have a full system developed yet, but I think that matters less in Boston than almost anywhere else. We expect to win, and win as a team, and while a coach's philosophy and system may add to it, that sort of culture is ingrained in the organization as it stands.
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Love was the no.1 option on a team which lacked offence, has a injury history and never been to the play offs. And from reports, his team hates how he points fingers. He like PG, the only option on a offensively bad team.
Plus he could Dwight and bolt after 1 year, you never give up to much for that. If anything, give up #6, #17, another #1 round pick, and some salary for a sign and trade to get Melo if he's willing. Then and only then, if he rejects, you go for love.
Melo has been to the play offs, all but this year and has won a scoring title. He also can play defence, when he can be bothered. Love can't play defense, and that is important in the post season.
Unless, he agrees to a extension, or new contract, then don't bother. You need a center for a guy like love on your team. Melo can play SF/PF and Defence, while scoring.
If Lebron leaves, then only he is above Melo as the best player to trade for.
Watch Love come, and this team be medicore.
Minnesota had the 10th best offense in the league last season. If the offensive talent was that mediocre around him that actually speaks more highly for Love's impact on that end. In fact it does. Minnesota's offense nosedived with Love off the floor. With him, it was great.
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Question: If Minnesota is seriously considering the C's offer, wouldn't it be better if they had time to work out players at 6 well before the draft takes place? I assume guys like Smart, Gordon, and Vonleh have not worked out for Minnesota who is picking 13th currently.
If Minnesota tried to work out those guys then that would be a sign that they are close to a deal with a team in that draft range...that's showing your cards a little too early IMO.
I'm sure they will have enough info to decide which of those stars should be their draft pick in that scenario.
Rak
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When was the last time a rookie coach plus vets (egos) have panned out well?? BS is fresh from college and wasnt even an assistant in the nba before.
Rondo misses a flight so he can have his bday party. Not a good example for the rest of the guys but BS cannot do nothing much about it. Kevin Love doesnt defend a player to the end and rushes for a rebound opportunity when another player does it and they get yanked.
BS will do better with a younger lineup so that he can mold the team the way he wants it to be. Have a system in place first and not one or two players act free
If he's afraid of players, then he probably shouldn't be coaching at this level. Fact is he's dealing with millionaires playing a kid's game - there will be no shortage of egos. Even from young guys. If he can't handle it, he's probably better off in the NCAA.
With that said, I think you're severely underestimating his ability as a coach. Everyone was prepared for Rondo to be difficult with Brad this year but other the Birthday-gate (which was laughably overblown), there were no issues.
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Question: If Minnesota is seriously considering the C's offer, wouldn't it be better if they had time to work out players at 6 well before the draft takes place? I assume guys like Smart, Gordon, and Vonleh have not worked out for Minnesota who is picking 13th currently.
If Minnesota tried to work out those guys then that would be a sign that they are close to a deal with a team in that draft range...that's showing your cards a little too early IMO.
I'm sure they will have enough info to decide which of those stars should be their draft pick in that scenario.
Rak
I'm on that line of thinking. Plus, do you think the agents for the players projected in the 5-7 range would even set up workouts for teams lower in the draft?
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I'm on that line of thinking. Plus, do you think the agents for the players projected in the 5-7 range would even set up workouts for teams lower in the draft?
Did the Spurs work out Leonard before that draft? Is there a good way to look that up? I'm kind of curious now
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I'm on that line of thinking. Plus, do you think the agents for the players projected in the 5-7 range would even set up workouts for teams lower in the draft?
Did the Spurs work out Leonard before that draft? Is there a good way to look that up? I'm kind of curious now
I have no idea. I just know that Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, and Exum didn't even waste their time working out for teams lower than what they were projected.
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6, 17, Sully, Clippers 2015 pick (lottery protected) and better of Celtics' or Nets' 2016 first round pick (lottery protected). contingent on Love signing extension.
That is as far as I will go, and, I suspect, won't get the deal done.
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Get him here Danny!
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Think about where Sully and KO were drafted ...21 and what 12 ...picks for KLove and a couple first rounders .
Who amoungst us .....be honest thought KO and Sully would be worth a trade for K Love.? Two rookies
That's seems ridiculous when you think on it.
That's turning gravel into a Diamond.
If DA can turn Sully and KO into ......Kevin Love .......he has to do it. ...come on ......chances like this don't grow on trees .
Plus ...I think no Love = no Rondo
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Think about where Sully and KO were drafted ...21 and what 12 ...picks for KLove and a couple first rounders .
Who amount us .....be honest thought KO and Sully would be worth a trade for K Love.? Too rookies
That's seems ridiculous when you think on it.
That's turning gravel into a Diamond.
First you need the stars in the NBA, then you can worry about building the rest of the team. And whatever they have to give up to get Love, I would trust Danny to be able to put a contending team together with whatever is remaining.
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Give up whatever it takes to get Love. Then target Melo or LeBron.
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Think our chances of getting Love are increasing as draft nears...
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Think about where Sully and KO were drafted ...21 and what 12 ...picks for KLove and a couple first rounders .
Who amount us .....be honest thought KO and Sully would be worth a trade for K Love.? Too rookies
That's seems ridiculous when you think on it.
That's turning gravel into a Diamond.
If DA can turn Sully and KO into ......Kevin Love .......he has to do it. ...come on ......chances like this don't grow on trees .
Plus ...I think no Love = no Rondo
Can't go purely on draft position. Tony Parker was taken 28th! If not for the back or if he came out after his freshman year, Sully would have been much higher.
My package for Love, Sully or KO and two firsts, the six this year and one more (non protected).
Done, screw them if they don't want it, I'll go get Asik and my front line will be Asik and Sully. Sully can easily become a double double machine! Next we need a scorer, Gordon Hayward is the guy for me. My guards are Rondo and Bradley. I still have the 17 this year and a truck load of picks to go get others.
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6, 17, Sully, Clippers 2015 pick (lottery protected) and better of Celtics' or Nets' 2016 first round pick (lottery protected). contingent on Love signing extension.
That is as far as I will go, and, I suspect, won't get the deal done.
Love won't sign an extension. The most any deal will be contingent on is Love exercising his option for next year in advance, and even that is doubtful, unless Love REALLY wants to come to Boston. In fact, Love is not even eligible for an extension if traded on or before the draft.
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Ppl will object but if we get love I realistically see Boston as a dark horse location for James. He has a profound respect for the lineage and history of the organization. He also has an admiration for the fan base big time. Love is the stretch four he covets and rondo would make his life easier.
He loves ray Allen and maybe the thought if coming back to Boston appeases ray. He's said he considers himself a Celtic. James and ray could come back in tandem. Pierce as well. He'd be a quality sub for James. The thought of winning again in Boston might be enough to entice pierce to come back as a backup. Ppl say bring Paul to back up melo, well, why not James?
Lebron claims to be a great historian of the league. Playing for the celtics would give him a unique opportunity to play for a historical organization that he couldn't get in Miami or Cleveland.
If we get love I think we are a dark horse. Not many other options to compete and get paid.
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I think Love to the Celtics is a done deal. Have we heard anything as of yet about Love visiting any other cities to "check them out"? The draft is only not far off, the Wolves have been said to want to get something done before or on draft day, and Love so far has only been publicly spotted in Boston checking out the town.
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6, 17, Sully, Clippers 2015 pick (lottery protected) and better of Celtics' or Nets' 2016 first round pick (lottery protected). contingent on Love signing extension.
That is as far as I will go, and, I suspect, won't get the deal done.
Love won't sign an extension. The most any deal will be contingent on is Love exercising his option for next year in advance, and even that is doubtful, unless Love REALLY wants to come to Boston. In fact, Love is not even eligible for an extension if traded on or before the draft.
As long as Love opts in for his final year, Boston can take a chance on him, because they'll have the opportunity to either sign him to an extension or trade him next offseason.
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Well if you guys think Green is a good enough as the third best player on the team, that's encouraging, but you have more faith than I. And I realize Asik is available possibly for a low price but I have seen him a lot and feel like the idea of Asik as a defender, is much better than the actual reality of him. So I like Gortat better. It's just as well Danny has to fix this team and not me.
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Ppl will object but if we get love I realistically see Boston as a dark horse location for James. He has a profound respect for the lineage and history of the organization. He also has an admiration for the fan base big time. Love is the stretch four he covets and rondo would make his life easier.
He loves ray Allen and maybe the thought if coming back to Boston appeases ray. He's said he considers himself a Celtic. James and ray could come back in tandem. Pierce as well. He'd be a quality sub for James. The thought of winning again in Boston might be enough to entice pierce to come back as a backup. Ppl say bring Paul to back up melo, well, why not James?
Lebron claims to be a great historian of the league. Playing for the celtics would give him a unique opportunity to play for a historical organization that he couldn't get in Miami or Cleveland.
If we get love I think we are a dark horse. Not many other options to compete and get paid.
As much as I detest LeBron James I would unashamedly cheer him vociferously if he was in a CELTICS uniform next season (along with KLove)
It would make MUCH sense if LeBron came to BOS, though...he'd have a LOT of the weight he's been carrying in MIA lifted off his shoulders...
LeBron wouldn't have to worry about PASSING (Rondo would handle that).
LeBron wouldn't have to worry about REBOUNDING (KLove and hopefully Asik would handle that).
He'd have Rondo heading as 1st line of defense, with hopefully Asik as an able gatekeeper.
He'd have a TON lifted off his shoulders....
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Give up whatever it takes to get Love. Then target Melo or LeBron.
I like where you're headed
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When was the last time a rookie coach plus vets (egos) have panned out well??
Thibs in Chicago. Derrick Rose won the MVP that year. You might have heard of it.
BS is fresh from college and wasnt even an assistant in the nba before.
That's a good point, if it was June of 2013. Stevens could very well go the Larry Brown/Doug Collins/Paul Silas route, where they eventually get tuned out of the locker room, but we can't say that yet.
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Ppl will object but if we get love I realistically see Boston as a dark horse location for James. He has a profound respect for the lineage and history of the organization. He also has an admiration for the fan base big time. Love is the stretch four he covets and rondo would make his life easier.
He loves ray Allen and maybe the thought if coming back to Boston appeases ray. He's said he considers himself a Celtic. James and ray could come back in tandem. Pierce as well. He'd be a quality sub for James. The thought of winning again in Boston might be enough to entice pierce to come back as a backup. Ppl say bring Paul to back up melo, well, why not James?
Lebron claims to be a great historian of the league. Playing for the celtics would give him a unique opportunity to play for a historical organization that he couldn't get in Miami or Cleveland.
If we get love I think we are a dark horse. Not many other options to compete and get paid.
As much as I detest LeBron James I would unashamedly cheer him vociferously if he was in a CELTICS uniform next season (along with KLove)
It would make MUCH sense if LeBron came to BOS, though...he'd have a LOT of the weight he's been carrying in MIA lifted off his shoulders...
LeBron wouldn't have to worry about PASSING (Rondo would handle that).
LeBron wouldn't have to worry about REBOUNDING (KLove and hopefully Asik would handle that).
He'd have Rondo heading as 1st line of defense, with hopefully Asik as an able gatekeeper.
He'd have a TON lifted off his shoulders....
You're taking a lot of LeBron's best skills away with that, though.
Full disclosure: If I'm just arbitrarily placing LeBron somewhere on the floor, I'm replacing David Lee with him in Golden State.
Bogut, James, Iggy, Thompson, Curry.
That would be a fun team to watch, and a scarily effective defensive front court.
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Give up whatever it takes to get Love. Then target Melo or LeBron.
I like where you're headed
Me too
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Well if you guys think Green is a good enough as the third best player on the team, that's encouraging, but you have more faith than I. And I realize Asik is available possibly for a low price but I have seen him a lot and feel like the idea of Asik as a defender, is much better than the actual reality of him. So I like Gortat better. It's just as well Danny has to fix this team and not me.
Is that because he doesn't block a ton of shots? I think sometimes people confuse defense with shot blocking. They're not mutually exclusive. His advanced stats tell a different story. If he hadn't been stuck behind to elite centers in Joakim Noah and Dwight Howard, he's a clear starter on pretty much every other team in the league.
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Ppl will object but if we get love I realistically see Boston as a dark horse location for James. He has a profound respect for the lineage and history of the organization. He also has an admiration for the fan base big time. Love is the stretch four he covets and rondo would make his life easier.
He loves ray Allen and maybe the thought if coming back to Boston appeases ray. He's said he considers himself a Celtic. James and ray could come back in tandem. Pierce as well. He'd be a quality sub for James. The thought of winning again in Boston might be enough to entice pierce to come back as a backup. Ppl say bring Paul to back up melo, well, why not James?
Lebron claims to be a great historian of the league. Playing for the celtics would give him a unique opportunity to play for a historical organization that he couldn't get in Miami or Cleveland.
If we get love I think we are a dark horse. Not many other options to compete and get paid.
No way in hell do I want Ray Allen near anything green. Why do you have to include Ray in your equation? Let's just make a play for Lebron and leave it at that.
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I have seen him a lot and feel like the idea of Asik as a defender, is much better than the actual reality of him
I agree. Behold, the playoffs this year with the sublime performance of Aldridge.
They tried Terence Jones at PF the First game and he scored 45 and Asik played 12 minutes that game. Game 2 he scored 43 with Asik playing 24w ith Jones starting. Game three McHale moved Asik to PF and started him and ever looked back and he played 27 and LA scored 23. Game 4 with Asik at PF, LA scores 29. Game five Aldridge went cold or Houston contained him depending on your view and he scored 8 with Asik logging 33 minutes. Game six with Asik playing 33 minutes LA scores 30. Fat lady sings and the Portland Advanced. Now some of these times he was playing C. Lopez scored 6, 6, 11, 6, 17 and 12.
Asik's PER by game was -3, -8, +13, -2, -6 and +16.
His RPG were as follows: 6, 5, 8, 8, 15 and 7.
blocks were 0, 0, 1, 1, 1 and 1.
steals were 0, 1, 0, 0, 0 and 2.
scoring was 2, 6, 7, 6, 10 and 4.
Fouls were 5, 3, 4, 5. 6 and 6.
Asik did make a difference but he is not a world beater. One has to consider he was buried on the bench for a lot of the season. He can board well and doesn't require the ball. I think worse case scenario is you have a guy like Perkins, whom I give the nod to in shot blocking but he is a better rebounder, who doesn't need the ball and plays D. He is foul prone. He will need a team of shooters to thrive. He is over paid though.
Gortat is a better scorer. I think he would be a better fit for us given the fact that we are weak in scoring even if we add love. Gortat is a better shot blocker and Asik, if playing regular minutes is probably slightly a better rebounder but Gortat is no slouch in that area. I think Gortat is a better fight for us.
Funny Gortat tweet.
http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/gortats-retweet-roils-portions-wizards-fan-base
Both are probably long shots.
Ppl will object but if we get love I realistically see Boston as a dark horse location for James. He has a profound respect for the lineage and history of the organization. He also has an admiration for the fan base big time. Love is the stretch four he covets and rondo would make his life easier.
He loves ray Allen and maybe the thought if coming back to Boston appeases ray
is their a button to suck away people's TP????????
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As long as we dont give up any Nets picks... Im open to trading everything else.
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This has been the vibe I've gotten from all the naysaying and rumors of "better offers" TWolves management has been putting out. They're claiming there are better offers because they desperately want to up Love's price, either from others or by getting us to bid against ourselves. Problem is most smaller market teams aren't biting because they know Love won't stay, and a lot of the bigger teams are rebuilding or facing luxury tax issues.
I'm really hoping if we get Love that we're able to hang on to the #17, we could get a nice young piece at that spot, maybe another scoring wing that we desperately need. Doesn't look like it'll happen, though.
never ever give up. lol
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Well if you guys think Green is a good enough as the third best player on the team, that's encouraging, but you have more faith than I. And I realize Asik is available possibly for a low price but I have seen him a lot and feel like the idea of Asik as a defender, is much better than the actual reality of him. So I like Gortat better. It's just as well Danny has to fix this team and not me.
Is that because he doesn't block a ton of shots? I think sometimes people confuse defense with shot blocking. They're not mutually exclusive. His advanced stats tell a different story. If he hadn't been stuck behind to elite centers in Joakim Noah and Dwight Howard, he's a clear starter on pretty much every other team in the league.
Can you show me his advanced stats that would suggest he should be the choice over Gortat? And my answer to you is I didn't actually know his blocked shot numbers were average or below that until I checked them after your comment. I've not liked what I saw of him this year, just watching him play. I had thought he was pretty good in previous years.
I'd rather be encouraged that Asik will work out. I have the sense DA wants him and the earlier year deal just wasn't enough for Houston
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I dont want to trade everything we have just to get love..
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Ppl will object but if we get love I realistically see Boston as a dark horse location for James. He has a profound respect for the lineage and history of the organization. He also has an admiration for the fan base big time. Love is the stretch four he covets and rondo would make his life easier.
He loves ray Allen and maybe the thought if coming back to Boston appeases ray. He's said he considers himself a Celtic. James and ray could come back in tandem. Pierce as well. He'd be a quality sub for James. The thought of winning again in Boston might be enough to entice pierce to come back as a backup. Ppl say bring Paul to back up melo, well, why not James?
Lebron claims to be a great historian of the league. Playing for the celtics would give him a unique opportunity to play for a historical organization that he couldn't get in Miami or Cleveland.
If we get love I think we are a dark horse. Not many other options to compete and get paid.
As much as I detest LeBron James I would unashamedly cheer him vociferously if he was in a CELTICS uniform next season (along with KLove)
It would make MUCH sense if LeBron came to BOS, though...he'd have a LOT of the weight he's been carrying in MIA lifted off his shoulders...
LeBron wouldn't have to worry about PASSING (Rondo would handle that).
LeBron wouldn't have to worry about REBOUNDING (KLove and hopefully Asik would handle that).
He'd have Rondo heading as 1st line of defense, with hopefully Asik as an able gatekeeper.
He'd have a TON lifted off his shoulders....
if people think i'm tough on Lebron now. if he played for us i'd be unbearable.
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Ppl will object but if we get love I realistically see Boston as a dark horse location for James. He has a profound respect for the lineage and history of the organization. He also has an admiration for the fan base big time. Love is the stretch four he covets and rondo would make his life easier.
He loves ray Allen and maybe the thought if coming back to Boston appeases ray. He's said he considers himself a Celtic. James and ray could come back in tandem. Pierce as well. He'd be a quality sub for James. The thought of winning again in Boston might be enough to entice pierce to come back as a backup. Ppl say bring Paul to back up melo, well, why not James?
Lebron claims to be a great historian of the league. Playing for the celtics would give him a unique opportunity to play for a historical organization that he couldn't get in Miami or Cleveland.
If we get love I think we are a dark horse. Not many other options to compete and get paid.
As much as I detest LeBron James I would unashamedly cheer him vociferously if he was in a CELTICS uniform next season (along with KLove)
It would make MUCH sense if LeBron came to BOS, though...he'd have a LOT of the weight he's been carrying in MIA lifted off his shoulders...
LeBron wouldn't have to worry about PASSING (Rondo would handle that).
LeBron wouldn't have to worry about REBOUNDING (KLove and hopefully Asik would handle that).
He'd have Rondo heading as 1st line of defense, with hopefully Asik as an able gatekeeper.
He'd have a TON lifted off his shoulders....
if people think i'm tough on Lebron now. if he played for us i'd be unbearable.
It would take me about 3 seconds to put closure on my dislike for Lebron if he came to Boston.
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If Lebron came it would truly be a City of Champions
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I would be happy with the following team next season:
Rondo
Bradley
Green
Love
Asik
Asik and Bradley will provide the necessary defense. We will need more offense than Love and Green provide, but I suspect we will make more moves the next offseason to replace Green. My main point is Bradley will be able to go back to focusing on hounding the PG bringing the ball up to the front court, disrupting the other team's offensive flow. The puzzle would not be complete, but an excellent step forward, depending on the bench.
CB
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I hate to see KO and Sully go ....both really hurts.....it hurt when Big Al was traded.
Still......Boston NEEDS a Star to go with Rondo.......not maybe another great rookie
...we re talking serious team on the floor in a couple years.
Boston needs to compete , Not just every 23 years , but be a factor the majority of the time.
Love is an NBA personality ....a recognized product.....fan draw....TV draw .....the type of player Rondo needs to be serious again.
Given a chance ......I believe. Rondo and Love WILL recruit a third really nice player , and then maybe several KEY role players will want on board .
From every angle it's a win situation
Do what it takes to make it happen
The next piece will fall easier ..... A good center
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I still don't understand why everyone get's caught up in falling in love with the young guys. even if they do reach and live up to their potential, it will likely be 5 - 6 yrs. before we know just how good they are.
if you have a chance to get a player that's good and you know what you're getting you do it. it's easy math. let somebody else wait on that potential.
of course there's situations where you have no choice but to build and wait on the potential of youth like we had to when we drafted pierce. but look at how long it took us to be able to put pieces around him to win.
but if you can get better now, you do it. waiting on potential could easily and is more likely going to lead to more waiting.
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I still don't understand why everyone get's caught up in falling in love with the young guys. even if they do reach and live up to their potential, it will likely be 5 - 6 yrs. before we know just how good they are.
Maybe in a baseball draft when discussing high school players, but that's not an accurate statement about the NBA. In 2 years we know exactly how good 2012 draftees (Davis, Lillard, Beal, Drummmond, Barnes, Sullinger, etc.) are. In addition, just 2 days ago we saw Leonard capture the Finals MVP trophy at just 22 years old.
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I'd miss Sully because I like his attitude and his heart. I'm not seeing why everyone around here loves KO so much. He didn't wow me all that much this year and I don't think he'll ever be much.
But I'd take a trade with Love over these guys any day of the week.
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I would argue that we don't know - at all - what Sullinger is.
Love is an established NBA star, with the physical ability to do everything a champion needs him to do.
This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
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I think by far and away we have the best offer. Also if we give them what is being reported I will throw up from disgust.
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I hate to see KO and Sully go ....both really hurts.....it hurt when Big Al was traded.
Still......Boston NEEDS a Star to go with Rondo.......not maybe another great rookie
...we re talking serious team on the floor in a couple years.
Boston needs to compete , Not just every 23 years , but be a factor the majority of the time.
Love is an NBA personality ....a recognized product.....fan draw....TV draw .....the type of player Rondo needs to be serious again.
Given a chance ......I believe. Rondo and Love WILL recruit a third really nice player , and then maybe several KEY role players will want on board .
From every angle it's a win situation
Do what it takes to make it happen
The next piece will fall easier ..... A good center
No it won't . How do we get a good Center? Especially after giving up the farm for Kevin Love.
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I still don't understand why everyone get's caught up in falling in love with the young guys. even if they do reach and live up to their potential, it will likely be 5 - 6 yrs. before we know just how good they are.
Maybe in a baseball draft when discussing high school players, but that's not an accurate statement about the NBA. In 2 years we know exactly how good 2012 draftees (Davis, Lillard, Beal, Drummmond, Barnes, Sullinger, etc.) are. In addition, just 2 days ago we saw Leonard capture the Finals MVP trophy at just 22 years old.
We know what those players are now, we don't know what they'll all be in 3-4 years. Some more than others, but unless you're claiming they've all hit their ceilings then the jury's still out on a lot of them.
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I still don't understand why everyone get's caught up in falling in love with the young guys. even if they do reach and live up to their potential, it will likely be 5 - 6 yrs. before we know just how good they are.
Maybe in a baseball draft when discussing high school players, but that's not an accurate statement about the NBA. In 2 years we know exactly how good 2012 draftees (Davis, Lillard, Beal, Drummmond, Barnes, Sullinger, etc.) are. In addition, just 2 days ago we saw Leonard capture the Finals MVP trophy at just 22 years old.
We know what those players are now, we don't know what they'll all be in 3-4 years. Some more than others, but unless you're claiming they've all hit their ceilings then the jury's still out on a lot of them.
My point is that you don't have to wait 5-6 years for immediate return. Some of those players from that 2012 draft are already better than anyone on our team and they will only continue to grow. I have faith in Ainge's eye as a talent evaluator, so if he trades Rondo for another top 8 pick I'd be excited given his track record.
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So it looks like minnesota knew this all along but threw out reports that the Bulls had the better offer. It looks like mission accomplished if were giving them all our picks this year Sully or KO along with a coupe firsts next year (Clipper and Brooklyn pick) hope that isn't the case. That's way too much, no?
I have faith in Ainge though if it'll help us land Melo and that third shoe drops we have to do it.
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So it looks like minnesota knew this all along but threw out reports that the Bulls had the better offer. It looks like mission accomplished if were giving them all our picks this year Sully or KO along with a coupe firsts next year (Clipper and Brooklyn pick) hope that isn't the case. That's way too much, no?
I have faith in Ainge though if it'll help us land Melo and that third shoe drops we have to do it.
No its way too much.
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So it looks like minnesota knew this all along but threw out reports that the Bulls had the better offer. It looks like mission accomplished if were giving them all our picks this year Sully or KO along with a coupe firsts next year (Clipper and Brooklyn pick) hope that isn't the case. That's way too much, no?
I have faith in Ainge though if it'll help us land Melo and that third shoe drops we have to do it.
No its way too much.
I bet it'd almost take that save for both the Clippers and Nets it'd probably come down to which one they want one or the other. I think I would do it.
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So it looks like minnesota knew this all along but threw out reports that the Bulls had the better offer. It looks like mission accomplished if were giving them all our picks this year Sully or KO along with a coupe firsts next year (Clipper and Brooklyn pick) hope that isn't the case. That's way too much, no?
I have faith in Ainge though if it'll help us land Melo and that third shoe drops we have to do it.
No its way too much.
No, it's not.
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This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
You sound like Rick Pitino when he traded Billups.
Billups, Johnson, Pierce and Walker could've been a nice team.
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I would argue that we don't know - at all - what Sullinger is.
Love is an established NBA star, with the physical ability to do everything a champion needs him to do.
This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
You do remember 1994-2007 correct? I mean I love my team but boy did they stink it up for a long time.
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I would argue that we don't know - at all - what Sullinger is.
Love is an established NBA star, with the physical ability to do everything a champion needs him to do.
This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
You do remember 1994-2007 correct? I mean I love my team but boy did they stink it up for a long time.
I do, and I don't want to go back down that road.
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I would argue that we don't know - at all - what Sullinger is.
Love is an established NBA star, with the physical ability to do everything a champion needs him to do.
This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
You do remember 1994-2007 correct? I mean I love my team but boy did they stink it up for a long time.
I do, and I don't want to go back down that road.
Neither do I. Thankfully, the Celtics' FO is a lot better, nowadays.
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This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
You sound like Rick Pitino when he traded Billups.
Billups, Johnson, Pierce and Walker could've been a nice team.
Pitino didn't have such a rational reason when he traded Billups.
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So it looks like minnesota knew this all along but threw out reports that the Bulls had the better offer. It looks like mission accomplished if were giving them all our picks this year Sully or KO along with a coupe firsts next year (Clipper and Brooklyn pick) hope that isn't the case. That's way too much, no?
I have faith in Ainge though if it'll help us land Melo and that third shoe drops we have to do it.
No its way too much.
No, it's not.
Your entitled to your opinion, but so am I, and I think it is too much for a guy who everyone knows is leaving anyways.
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So it looks like minnesota knew this all along but threw out reports that the Bulls had the better offer. It looks like mission accomplished if were giving them all our picks this year Sully or KO along with a coupe firsts next year (Clipper and Brooklyn pick) hope that isn't the case. That's way too much, no?
I have faith in Ainge though if it'll help us land Melo and that third shoe drops we have to do it.
Depends what acquiring love also leads too. If Ainge didn't know ray silken would lead to kg he would never have traded the fifth overall pick for just him.
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So it looks like minnesota knew this all along but threw out reports that the Bulls had the better offer. It looks like mission accomplished if were giving them all our picks this year Sully or KO along with a coupe firsts next year (Clipper and Brooklyn pick) hope that isn't the case. That's way too much, no?
I have faith in Ainge though if it'll help us land Melo and that third shoe drops we have to do it.
Depends what acquiring love also leads too. If Ainge didn't know ray silken would lead to kg he would never have traded the fifth overall pick for just him.
I disagree, I think it depends on what other teSo it looks like minnesota knew this all along but threw out reports that the Bulls had the better offer. It looks like mission accomplished if were giving them all our picks this year Sully or KO along with a coupe firsts next year (Clipper and Brooklyn pick) hope that isn't the case. That's way too much, no?
I have faith in Ainge though if it'll help us land Melo and that third shoe drops we have to do it.
No its way too much.
No, it's not.
Your entitled to your opinion, but so am I, and I think it is too much for a guy who everyone knows is leaving anyways.
We might not even need to give that up, we don't have to give up fair value for Love, all we have to do is have the best offer.
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
There is so much wrong with this post... You're deluded if you seriously think Ainge will only offer Sully, and the 17th pick...
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
Chad Ford is no Woj, but that doesn't mean he's an unreliable source. He's plugged in with the General Managers.
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
Chad Ford is no Woj, but that doesn't mean he's an unreliable source. He's plugged in with the General Managers.
He is unreliable. Just bc he works for espn ppl think he is reliable
Woj is prob the only reliable nba source out there. And his info only comes out like the day prior of the actual event
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
There is so much wrong with this post... You're deluded if you seriously think Ainge will only offer Sully, and the 17th pick...
Your deluded if you think he is going to give up the farm on a possible 1 yr rental.
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chad ford is a pretty good source even if he isnt woj...you just dont want to hear it because you dont want to give up sullinger/olynyk
hate to break it to you triboy....if you want an allstar who averages 26ppg and 12rpg you are going to have to give up more than sullinger and #17.
at the very least you are giving up sullinger, #6 and #17. maybe throw in another first rounder. I hardly call that overpaying.
now if you give up 4 first rounders, sure that is overpaying. But ainge has 10picks over the next 5 years. hard to believe he uses all of them...
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Your deluded if you think he is going to give up the farm on a possible 1 yr rental.
He was reportedly willing to give up Rondo for a possible one-year rental of Chris Paul with no guarantee of an extension. In a trade with no extension, I think Ainge is willing to give up at least 75% of the value that he would trade for Love with an extension as part of the deal, possibly more
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
Chad Ford is no Woj, but that doesn't mean he's an unreliable source. He's plugged in with the General Managers.
He is unreliable. Just bc he works for espn ppl think he is reliable
Woj is prob the only reliable nba source out there. And his info only comes out like the day prior of the actual event
- Woj has already said the C's are going after Love
- Love says he wants to be traded by july 1st
- Love has visited Boston and partied with many sports stars from the patriots
- Love went to fenway with his agent and trainer , just happens to meet Rondo
- Wyc stated that we could see fireworks
- C's clearly have the best offer for Love, he has said he doesn't want to go to CLE
- Love goes on ESPN and the only thing they couldn't ask him about is Boston.....
It is going to happen . We might be throwing in an extra 1st rd pick to get Martin back, or move Wallaces contract .
This is going to happen
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
There is so much wrong with this post... You're deluded if you seriously think Ainge will only offer Sully, and the 17th pick...
Your deluded if you think he is going to give up the farm on a possible 1 yr rental.
Ainge wouldn't trade for Love without assurance from his agent that he'd sign an extension. Also, there's no way Minnesota trades a 25 year old All-Star for a midround pick and a prospect with a lot of questions marks (motivation for conditioning, back, defense, etc.). If the C's get Love I would guarantee number 6 is included.
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When did he say he didn't want to go to Cleveland
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Well we will see what happens. Love coming here is not guaranteed. Some of you can believe it that it is. But its not
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
Chad Ford is no Woj, but that doesn't mean he's an unreliable source. He's plugged in with the General Managers.
He is unreliable. Just bc he works for espn ppl think he is reliable
Woj is prob the only reliable nba source out there. And his info only comes out like the day prior of the actual event
So he's unreliable because you say so? How about giving a reason why fans shouldn't trust Ford, before attacking his credentials.
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When did he say he didn't want to go to Cleveland
The celtic fans. So it must be true
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
Chad Ford is no Woj, but that doesn't mean he's an unreliable source. He's plugged in with the General Managers.
He is unreliable. Just bc he works for espn ppl think he is reliable
Woj is prob the only reliable nba source out there. And his info only comes out like the day prior of the actual event
So he's unreliable because you say so? How about giving a reason why fans shouldn't trust Ford, before attacking his credentials.
Why dont u list some rumors he has stated that came out to be true in the past
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Becoming resigned to the likelihood we will get Love and we will overpay for him.
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When did he say he didn't want to go to Cleveland
The celtic fans. So it must be true
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/08/report-kevin-love-doesnt-want-to-play-for-the-cavaliers/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
Chad Ford is no Woj, but that doesn't mean he's an unreliable source. He's plugged in with the General Managers.
He is unreliable. Just bc he works for espn ppl think he is reliable
Woj is prob the only reliable nba source out there. And his info only comes out like the day prior of the actual event
So he's unreliable because you say so? How about giving a reason why fans shouldn't trust Ford, before attacking his credentials.
Why dont u list some rumors he has stated that came out to be true in the past
Why don't you list the things he said that came out false. You're the one who said he's unreliable. Post some examples that paints him as someone people shouldn't listen to.
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When did he say he didn't want to go to Cleveland
The celtic fans. So it must be true
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/08/report-kevin-love-doesnt-want-to-play-for-the-cavaliers/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs
TP
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When did he say he didn't want to go to Cleveland
The celtic fans. So it must be true
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/08/report-kevin-love-doesnt-want-to-play-for-the-cavaliers/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs
to be fair this was an old report, in his latest interview at E3 he said something along the lines of the Cavs rumors aren't bogus and he praised them sounded open to going there
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If DA can turn Sully and KO into ......Kevin Love .......he has to do it. ...come on ......chances like this don't grow on trees.
While I agree with your premise (getting Love is a great opportunity) it's probably more like Sully OR Olynyk and then 2 or 3 first round picks. So something like
Sully, Bogans, Anthony, along with Marcus Smart, Rodney Hood and another pick. That is just more accurate.
So here is my offer:
KO, Bogans, Wallace, #6, #17 and our top-3 protected 2015 1st round pick for Love and Martin.
That gives them three 1st round picks, #12 from last year and gets them out of Martin's deal. We include the 3rd first rounder because they are taking Wallace. Wallace and Martin are actually due the same $ but Wallace's deal is up a year sooner. This route also gives us $ to go after a center or re-sign Bradley.
Now I don't know if they like KO or Sully better, really I wouldn't quibble there. I like Sully better so I included KO. Not a deal breaker either way. I'd be willing to give them the Clipper's pick next year if they swap us LRMM for Bass.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pq7g7cl
Looks pretty lop-sided but factor in the 3 picks, two in a stacked draft and giving them some salary relief with Bogans it's probably the best they'll get for an all-star on the last year of his deal.
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When did he say he didn't want to go to Cleveland
The celtic fans. So it must be true
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/08/report-kevin-love-doesnt-want-to-play-for-the-cavaliers/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs
to be fair this was an old report, in his latest interview at E3 he said something along the lines of the Cavs rumors aren't bogus and he praised them sounded open to going there
That's an old report? lol It's from June 8th. 9 days ago.
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You guys are mostly arguing about the value of Love's promise to sign an extension. I think you are ignoring the most likely way that this deal will go down, and frankly the reason why it hasn't already happened.
Love will be traded for a huge haul that half of this blog will cry for, and he will sign an extension, but he will be the second player acquired by the C's this off season. The most likely scenario is that Ainge will use the same one-two that he did last time.
The most interesting question in my mind is who that guy is going to be. The league is may be on the brink of a dramatic reformation with the huge number of free agents to be signed. Carmelo Anthony and Lance Stephenson are names I see the most on this board, but they are definitely not the only possibilities. Aging all-stars Luol Deng and Pau Gasol are out there, and we have assets we can use to clear cap space for one.
My imagination is not as good as our GM's, but my message to you is that you'll know Kevin Love is on his way here when you see the opening move, not when you hear the next story about the Celtics having the best offer on the table.
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If DA can turn Sully and KO into ......Kevin Love .......he has to do it. ...come on ......chances like this don't grow on trees.
While I agree with your premise (getting Love is a great opportunity) it's probably more like Sully OR Olynyk and then 2 or 3 first round picks. So something like
Sully, Bogans, Anthony, along with Marcus Smart, Rodney Hood and another pick. That is just more accurate.
So here is my offer:
KO, Bogans, Wallace, #6, #17 and our top-3 protected 2015 1st round pick for Love and Martin.
That gives them three 1st round picks, #12 from last year and gets them out of Martin's deal. We include the 3rd first rounder because they are taking Wallace. Wallace and Martin are actually due the same $ but Wallace's deal is up a year sooner. This route also gives us $ to go after a center or re-sign Bradley.
Now I don't know if they like KO or Sully better, really I wouldn't quibble there. I like Sully better so I included KO. Not a deal breaker either way. I'd be willing to give them the Clipper's pick next year if they swap us LRMM for Bass.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pq7g7cl
Looks pretty lop-sided but factor in the 3 picks, two in a stacked draft and giving them some salary relief with Bogans it's probably the best they'll get for an all-star on the last year of his deal.
Not interested in keeping Sullinger, who plays the same position as Love. Ship him out, save a pick or something.
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You guys should try arguing with this:
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You will be more successful arguing with that than with triboy
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You guys should try arguing with this:
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You will be more successful arguing with that than with triboy
Sure. Like arguing with you what a bad pick KO has turned out to be.
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You guys should try arguing with this:
(http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Wallpaper/Brick-Wall-Images/thumbnails/thumbnail%20-%2002%20-%201740%20Swedish%20brick%20wall.jpg)
You will be more successful arguing with that than with triboy
Sure. Like arguing with you what a bad pick KO has turned out to be.
Maybe you missed the bulletin
1. I said I am wrong about him being a bust
2. 2 good months does not a good pick make.
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You guys should try arguing with this:
(http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Wallpaper/Brick-Wall-Images/thumbnails/thumbnail%20-%2002%20-%201740%20Swedish%20brick%20wall.jpg)
You will be more successful arguing with that than with triboy
Sure. Like arguing with you what a bad pick KO has turned out to be.
Maybe you missed the bulletin
1. I said I am wrong about him being a bust
2. 2 good months does not a good pick make.
Well you will repeat you were wrong again if we trade for love and give up the farm for him.
Guys like smart will become studs while Love becomes melo part 2. All individual stats, max dollars but insignificant results for the team.
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When did he say he didn't want to go to Cleveland
The celtic fans. So it must be true
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/08/report-kevin-love-doesnt-want-to-play-for-the-cavaliers/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs
to be fair this was an old report, in his latest interview at E3 he said something along the lines of the Cavs rumors aren't bogus and he praised them sounded open to going there
That's an old report? lol It's from June 8th. 9 days ago.
Lol not THAT old but you know what I mean with how quick the news comes and goes that Jackie Mac story feels like a month old
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
There is so much wrong with this post... You're deluded if you seriously think Ainge will only offer Sully, and the 17th pick...
Your deluded if you think he is going to give up the farm on a possible 1 yr rental.
I'm sure he'd only do it if Love agrees to sign. And it's not giving up the farm. We don't even have a farm to give up.
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Sully, # 6 and # 17 is a massive haul for Minny considering the quality available
at # 6 (Marcus Smart, or to a slightly lesser extent Vonleh or Randle) and Sully's potential. Another first beyond that seems like an overpay to me. Love is great but he's not a Garnett-entity.
Yes, he's younger than Garnett was but he's also missed a lot of games due to injury...
But, overpay or not, please send picks 40 and 44 to to the Celtics....The Wolves can only
handle so many rookies and I'd like to add Semaj Christon and DeAndre Daniels
or, since we're going for it next year, Thanasis Antetokounpo for defense off the bench.
To me the Celtics are rich whether they draft Smart/Vonleh/Exum/Randle and Hood/Payne/Payton/Ennis
or go for quick relevance with Love and a free agent or two...(and 40 and 44 heh heh!)
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Chad ford is an idiot. He is no woj
Ainge has never overpaid as a celts gm. He will prob offer sully or ko and 17 but thats it. If the wolves say no , too bad. He is set to draft smart, gordon, randle or whoever drops at 6th
You dont give up everything on a guy who might jet after 1 yr. His verbal promise means nothing to me. Look at what boozer did to the cavs
There is so much wrong with this post... You're deluded if you seriously think Ainge will only offer Sully, and the 17th pick...
Your deluded if you think he is going to give up the farm on a possible 1 yr rental.
I'm sure he'd only do it if Love agrees to sign. And it's not giving up the farm. We don't even have a farm to give up.
We have a few potted plants on a balcony. Inside are tiny seedlings that have yet to sprout anything of substance.
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I'm starting to really hope we don't get Love.
The more I look in to this the more I realise how much it would cost is to get (and keep) Love in Boston...both in terms of the assets we'd need to give up to acquire him, and in terms of the type of money we'd have to pay to get him to sign an extension.
Kevin Love is a nice player but he's just not worth all of that. He's not a transcendent player - not the type of guy who can transform a lottery team to a good playoff team on his own. Take one look at his own team for complete evidence of that.
It looks like of we wanted Love we'd absolutely HAVE to gone up #6 and #17 from this year's draft, an undetermined number of future first round picks and our own young players (Sully or Olynyk - possibly both).
I'm sorry, but Kevin Love is no LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Dwight Howard, Kevin Durant or Carmello Anthony. Those guys are all elite players who have, at some point in time, almost single handedly led mediocre teams to some degree of playoff success. These are guys who have are sure things - guys who have proven they can turn a terribly team into a playoff team pretty much overnight.
Love is no such player. There is no such record of success in his past history. He's yet to ever prove himself as a leader, as a clutch scorer, as a guy who will single Handedly will his team to wins the way Wade did with the Heat that before LeBron and Bosh decided to rock up to South beach. Love has proven absolutely nothing in this league aside from his ability to fill up a box score. There are no ex teammates out there talking about how much they love playing with him or how great a leader/worker he is. There are no legendary films showimg off his great playoff battles. There's nothing.
For Boston to get Love it looks like they would have to pretty much sacrifice almost all of their future, leaving them with absolutely no backup plan of this expensive (and highly risky) Love experiment didn't work out.
If you want to watch the Celtics as a lottery team for the next 4 years then by all means bring Love over. If you want to see them actually won something, then pass on him and let this evil temptation pass.
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You guys should try arguing with this:
(http://www.genealogyintime.com/GenealogyResources/Wallpaper/Brick-Wall-Images/thumbnails/thumbnail%20-%2002%20-%201740%20Swedish%20brick%20wall.jpg)
You will be more successful arguing with that than with triboy
Sure. Like arguing with you what a bad pick KO has turned out to be.
Maybe you missed the bulletin
1. I said I am wrong about him being a bust
2. 2 good months does not a good pick make.
Well you will repeat you were wrong again if we trade for love and give up the farm for him.
Guys like smart will become studs while Love becomes melo part 2. All individual stats, max dollars but insignificant results for the team.
Please don't insult Melo by comparing him to Love.
Carmelo Anthony is arguably the greatest pure scorer of this generation, at least PASSABLE as a one-on-one defender, and has had close to 10 season of playoff experience...most of those being cases where he almost single handedly fought of entire opposing teams to advance. He's a guy who has the capability to dominate LeBron or Durant on any given night.
Love is none of those things.
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Eh there's a rumor floating around that Golden State will offer Klay, Barnes and Lee... that oughta do it.
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Eh there's a rumor floating around that Golden State will offer Klay, Barnes and Lee... that oughta do it.
Some messageboards from golden state are saying its a done deal
Intill i hear wojo or someone decent reporting it. Not believing it
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Eh there's a rumor floating around that Golden State will offer Klay, Barnes and Lee... that oughta do it.
That drains that team ,which is thin down to minimum.
If Curry sprains his toe , that team would would be hard pressed to score 75 points in a game against anybody. Much less if he suffers another ankle injury . Their center is made of glass.
First of all I don't believe they would empty their team of talent , second , none of those players will stay at Minn except Lee....and they are closer to full contracts , not liable to resign cheap.
Also ......if your starting over draft picks , in this lottery trump Barnes and Lee , Klay won't resign in Minn....he'll go to LA , NY , Hpuston.
No picks for Minn , expensive guys showing up that won't like being there .....unproven Coach , never coached any games in college or,NBA .
Kerr is dreaming.
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some veteran forum poster on Rubechat is claiming he's got a trusted source telling him that a GSW deal for Thompson, Lee, Green and a future pick is basically done.
http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=276168
sprinkle some salt on this one.
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That's a steal for GS. They want to unload Lee and Love replaces him at the 4. Barnes hasn't improved at all. Thompson is the only decent player they give up. It's a no brainer for GS.
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That's a steal for GS. They want to unload Lee and Love replaces him at the 4. Barnes hasn't improved at all. Thompson is the only decent player they give up. It's a no brainer for GS.
And Thompson is going to require a big raise soon.
He's going to demand, and get, more money than Stephan Curry.
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That's a steal for GS. They want to unload Lee and Love replaces him at the 4. Barnes hasn't improved at all. Thompson is the only decent player they give up. It's a no brainer for GS.
And Thompson is going to require a big raise soon.
He's going to demand, and get, more money than Stephan Curry.
You think? I havent watched that much of him, but I would have beennshocked to see him get that much....you think he'll get more than 12 million per year. I always thought of him as a Jeff Green level player. Isn't his PER like 13 or 14?
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That's a steal for GS. They want to unload Lee and Love replaces him at the 4. Barnes hasn't improved at all. Thompson is the only decent player they give up. It's a no brainer for GS.
And Thompson is going to require a big raise soon.
He's going to demand, and get, more money than Stephan Curry.
You think? I havent watched that much of him, but I would have beennshocked to see him get that much....you think he'll get more than 12 million per year. I always thought of him as a Jeff Green level player. Isn't his PER like 13 or 14?
Yeah, but you can't mention PER on this blog.
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lol sure, I dont believe anyone who is a "poster" on a message board giving rumors.
Plus, I highly doubt that the Wolves would want that offer. from all accounts they want cost controlled contracts. The guys Golden State would be trading them are guys nearing the end of their rookie contracts who either will
A. Bolt, or
B. require too much money that the wolves wont pay.
so, in the end they would be trading Love for a low pick and some 1-2 year rentals....vs. the Celtics who can give them pretty much 4 cost controlled young players (one definitely being a lottery pick)
Plus, I have heard no reliable rumors that Golden state is willing to trade klay thompson.
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some veteran forum poster on Rubechat is claiming he's got a trusted source telling him that a GSW deal for Thompson, Lee, Green and a future pick is basically done.
http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=276168
sprinkle some salt on this one.
I don't see how the Celtics top that. Green is underrated and Klay will be gone in a few years but while he's there will be a pretty [dang] good shooter. If this is true then good for GSW. Let's hope for someone to fall at 6. Maybe the best trades are the ones you do not make.
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My sources tell me a Love trade to Boston is a done deal
....and my sources are just as credible as the random fan who posted his "scoop" about Golden State landing Love.
My sources also tell me that Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and Carmelo were all spotted walking down Causeway St. last night.
More to follow.
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Minny would be pretty dumb to do the GSW deal over Boston's.
With GSW trade they get a high salary Lee for 2 more year , both Barnes and Thompson will need to be signed to big long term deals soon, and they will be to good to get a top lottery pick, but not good enough to make the playoffs. They would basically be putting their team in a state of mediocrity (7-10 seed in west at best). No big time free agent is going to Minny to play with Barnes and Thompson, and no high lottery talent would be able to be added to that core.
With Boston deal they get #6 and 17 in a deep draft, who would be on cheap rookie deals for the next 4 years. They get an additional pick or 2 as future talent or trade chips . They get Sully who is still on a rookie deal for 2 more years, and likely won't require they pay day that Thompson and Barnes will likely get . C's can also help Minny cut more salary by taking back Martin for Bogans' contract .
Minny would also be getting another top 5-10 pick next year ( their own) if they do the C's deal .
so would you rather have two high lottery picks , a starting PF (who's only 22 and on a rookie deal) and an additional future pick or 2 , and the ability to shed another long term contract (Martin )
or
Take on Barnes, Thompson as your future core ?
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Minny would be pretty dumb to do the GSW deal over Boston's.
With GSW trade they get a high salary Lee for 2 more year , both Barnes and Thompson will need to be signed to big long term deals soon, and they will be to good to get a top lottery pick, but not good enough to make the playoffs. They would basically be putting their team in a state of mediocrity (7-10 seed in west at best). No big time free agent is going to Minny to play with Barnes and Thompson, and no high lottery talent would be able to be added to that core.
With Boston deal they get #6 and 17 in a deep draft, who would be on cheap rookie deals for the next 4 years. They get an additional pick or 2 as future talent or trade chips . They get Sully who is still on a rookie deal for 2 more years, and likely won't require they pay day that Thompson and Barnes will likely get . C's can also help Minny cut more salary by taking back Martin for Bogans' contract .
Minny would also be getting another top 5-10 pick next year ( their own) if they do the C's deal .
so would you rather have two high lottery picks , a starting PF (who's only 22 and on a rookie deal) and an additional future pick or 2 , and the ability to shed another long term contract (Martin )
or
Take on Barnes, Thompson as your future core ?
I agree. The ONLY thing that worries me is that the KG trade is still fresh in minds of TWolves ownership and that they won't want to deal another star player to Boston.
Like I worry that Minnesota thinks that if they did deal Love to Boston, that the perception to their fans is that the TWolves end up looking like a developmental league for the Celtics.
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Minny would be pretty dumb to do the GSW deal over Boston's.
With GSW trade they get a high salary Lee for 2 more year , both Barnes and Thompson will need to be signed to big long term deals soon, and they will be to good to get a top lottery pick, but not good enough to make the playoffs. They would basically be putting their team in a state of mediocrity (7-10 seed in west at best). No big time free agent is going to Minny to play with Barnes and Thompson, and no high lottery talent would be able to be added to that core.
With Boston deal they get #6 and 17 in a deep draft, who would be on cheap rookie deals for the next 4 years. They get an additional pick or 2 as future talent or trade chips . They get Sully who is still on a rookie deal for 2 more years, and likely won't require they pay day that Thompson and Barnes will likely get . C's can also help Minny cut more salary by taking back Martin for Bogans' contract .
Minny would also be getting another top 5-10 pick next year ( their own) if they do the C's deal .
so would you rather have two high lottery picks , a starting PF (who's only 22 and on a rookie deal) and an additional future pick or 2 , and the ability to shed another long term contract (Martin )
or
Take on Barnes, Thompson as your future core ?
I agree. The ONLY thing that worries me is that the KG trade is still fresh in minds of TWolves ownership and that they won't want to deal another star player to Boston.
Like I worry that Minnesota thinks that if they did deal Love to Boston, that the perception to their fans is that the TWolves end up looking like a developmental league for the Celtics.
its a different front office, I doubt they will let emotion come into play when it comes to doing what is best for their team.
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Minny would be pretty dumb to do the GSW deal over Boston's.
With GSW trade they get a high salary Lee for 2 more year , both Barnes and Thompson will need to be signed to big long term deals soon, and they will be to good to get a top lottery pick, but not good enough to make the playoffs. They would basically be putting their team in a state of mediocrity (7-10 seed in west at best). No big time free agent is going to Minny to play with Barnes and Thompson, and no high lottery talent would be able to be added to that core.
With Boston deal they get #6 and 17 in a deep draft, who would be on cheap rookie deals for the next 4 years. They get an additional pick or 2 as future talent or trade chips . They get Sully who is still on a rookie deal for 2 more years, and likely won't require they pay day that Thompson and Barnes will likely get . C's can also help Minny cut more salary by taking back Martin for Bogans' contract .
Minny would also be getting another top 5-10 pick next year ( their own) if they do the C's deal .
so would you rather have two high lottery picks , a starting PF (who's only 22 and on a rookie deal) and an additional future pick or 2 , and the ability to shed another long term contract (Martin )
or
Take on Barnes, Thompson as your future core ?
I agree. The ONLY thing that worries me is that the KG trade is still fresh in minds of TWolves ownership and that they won't want to deal another star player to Boston.
Like I worry that Minnesota thinks that if they did deal Love to Boston, that the perception to their fans is that the TWolves end up looking like a developmental league for the Celtics.
its a different front office, I doubt they will let emotion come into play when it comes to doing what is best for their team.
Same owner though, isn't it?
Anyway, I HOPE you're right.
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top story on realgm now.
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Won't Klay be a restricted free agent? That means the T'Wolves would still have a great level of control over him for a few years after his rookie deal.
I think the T'Wolves are just waiting for the Warriors to offer Klay because they don't want a total rebuild. A team of Rubio, Thompson, Lee, and Pekovic/Dieng would still be respectable.
On the Warriors side, a team of Curry, Martin, Love, and Bogut would be solid, at least offensively.
It would have been different if the Celtics had drawn a top 3 pick as the opportunity to take Wiggins or Parker would have been preferable to Thompson. Oh well!
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That's a steal for GS. They want to unload Lee and Love replaces him at the 4. Barnes hasn't improved at all. Thompson is the only decent player they give up. It's a no brainer for GS.
And Thompson is going to require a big raise soon.
He's going to demand, and get, more money than Stephan Curry.
You think? I havent watched that much of him, but I would have beennshocked to see him get that much....you think he'll get more than 12 million per year. I always thought of him as a Jeff Green level player. Isn't his PER like 13 or 14?
He's an elite shooter and SG is the weakest position in the league right now.
I think he'll demand around 10-12 per year as a starting salary and he'll probably get it. Look at how much money Nicholas Batum got offered by Minnesota.
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Won't Klay be a restricted free agent? That means the T'Wolves would still have a great level of control over him for a few years after his rookie deal.
I think the T'Wolves are just waiting for the Warriors to offer Klay because they don't want a total rebuild. A team of Rubio, Thompson, Lee, and Pekovic/Dieng would still be respectable.
Respectable would still mean missing the playoffs, it'd be a weird choice to make.
They'd have to look to flip Lee if at all possible.
I think the Wolves will want to clear their cap, get talent, and get picks. The GSW trade only gets them one of those 3 things. They might choose to do it, but I'll be surprised if its not a more complicated deal to shed some salary to another team in a three-way sort of trade.
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That's a steal for GS. They want to unload Lee and Love replaces him at the 4. Barnes hasn't improved at all. Thompson is the only decent player they give up. It's a no brainer for GS.
And Thompson is going to require a big raise soon.
He's going to demand, and get, more money than Stephan Curry.
You think? I havent watched that much of him, but I would have beennshocked to see him get that much....you think he'll get more than 12 million per year. I always thought of him as a Jeff Green level player. Isn't his PER like 13 or 14?
Yeah, but you can't mention PER on this blog.
It's a rare admirable quality of this blog.
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That's a steal for GS. They want to unload Lee and Love replaces him at the 4. Barnes hasn't improved at all. Thompson is the only decent player they give up. It's a no brainer for GS.
And Thompson is going to require a big raise soon.
He's going to demand, and get, more money than Stephan Curry.
You think? I havent watched that much of him, but I would have beennshocked to see him get that much....you think he'll get more than 12 million per year. I always thought of him as a Jeff Green level player. Isn't his PER like 13 or 14?
Yeah, but you can't mention PER on this blog.
It's a rare admirable quality of this blog.
Seriously. PER is a garbage stat.
Anyway, Thompson is going to get more than Curry because Curry's on a mega discount, since he signed the deal after a season that was shut down by ankle injuries. You know how Rondo's deal started out as arguably too much money than turned into one of the best deals in the league? Same with Curry.
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Minny would be pretty dumb to do the GSW deal over Boston's.
I can see why Minny would do it. The GSW deal would give them a hope of remaining a near-playoff team and avoiding an immediate rebuild. Of course, if Thompson doesn't resign long term, they'll have to rebuild anyway and be in much worse shape.
Mike
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Minny would be pretty dumb to do the GSW deal over Boston's.
I can see why Minny would do it. The GSW deal would give them a hope of remaining a near-playoff team and avoiding an immediate rebuild. Of course, if Thompson doesn't resign long term, they'll have to rebuild anyway and be in much worse shape.
Mike
Yeah that's where I'm at too, it and the Chicago deal are plausible alternative choices to make. I don't think they're as good long term, but it all depends on what you think of the talent at the top of this draft.
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That's a steal for GS. They want to unload Lee and Love replaces him at the 4. Barnes hasn't improved at all. Thompson is the only decent player they give up. It's a no brainer for GS.
And Thompson is going to require a big raise soon.
He's going to demand, and get, more money than Stephan Curry.
You think? I havent watched that much of him, but I would have beennshocked to see him get that much....you think he'll get more than 12 million per year. I always thought of him as a Jeff Green level player. Isn't his PER like 13 or 14?
Yeah, but you can't mention PER on this blog.
It's a rare admirable quality of this blog.
Seriously. PER is a garbage stat.
Anyway, Thompson is going to get more than Curry because Curry's on a mega discount, since he signed the deal after a season that was shut down by ankle injuries. You know how Rondo's deal started out as arguably too much money than turned into one of the best deals in the league? Same with Curry.
Isn't Curry on 12 million? I knew he was on a rondo-enque bargain but is Klay commanding more than 12? That would be p---ing money away surely?
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This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
You sound like Rick Pitino when he traded Billups.
Billups, Johnson, Pierce and Walker could've been a nice team.
Pitino didn't have such a rational reason when he traded Billups.
I think we have a different definition of the term "rational".
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This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
You sound like Rick Pitino when he traded Billups.
Billups, Johnson, Pierce and Walker could've been a nice team.
Pitino didn't have such a rational reason when he traded Billups.
I think we have a different definition of the term "rational".
That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into. Pitino dumped Billups during his rookie year and one of the main reasons was that he didn't want to have to give big contracts to all three of Walker/Mercer/Billups at the same time when they finished their rookie deals. I'd say trying to acquire an established young star player is more rational than that. Opinions vary apparently.
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This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
You sound like Rick Pitino when he traded Billups.
Billups, Johnson, Pierce and Walker could've been a nice team.
Pitino didn't have such a rational reason when he traded Billups.
I think we have a different definition of the term "rational".
That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into. Pitino dumped Billups during his rookie year and one of the main reasons was that he didn't want to have to give big contracts to all three of Walker/Mercer/Billups at the same time when they finished their rookie deals. I'd say trying to acquire an established young star player is more rational than that. Opinions vary apparently.
Billups was traded another 4-5 times over the course of many years before finally blossoming as a great player. Pitino traded him as a rookie to get Kenny Anderson, because he wanted to win immediately (LOL). Don't think it had as much to do about salary cap, although he may have claimed that later on in hind sight.
Having said that, I disliked the trade when it happened. I thought that billups would be a great shooter because his free throw shooting was so high (upper 80 percent) as a rookie. That is usually an indication of a player's ability to have a good outside FG percentage.
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That's a steal for GS. They want to unload Lee and Love replaces him at the 4. Barnes hasn't improved at all. Thompson is the only decent player they give up. It's a no brainer for GS.
And Thompson is going to require a big raise soon.
He's going to demand, and get, more money than Stephan Curry.
You think? I havent watched that much of him, but I would have beennshocked to see him get that much....you think he'll get more than 12 million per year. I always thought of him as a Jeff Green level player. Isn't his PER like 13 or 14?
Yeah, but you can't mention PER on this blog.
It's a rare admirable quality of this blog.
Seriously. PER is a garbage stat.
Anyway, Thompson is going to get more than Curry because Curry's on a mega discount, since he signed the deal after a season that was shut down by ankle injuries. You know how Rondo's deal started out as arguably too much money than turned into one of the best deals in the league? Same with Curry.
Isn't Curry on 12 million? I knew he was on a rondo-enque bargain but is Klay commanding more than 12? That would be p---ing money away surely?
Curry made $9,887,642 this year, and is slated to make
$10,629,213
$11,370,786
$12,112,359
over the next three, via Hoopshype.
My post should've been more speculative: 'If Thompson is going to get more...'
I think the only reason why Thompson might make that much is because he's a legitimate two way player with three point range at the SG spot, and those are relatively rare right now. The same reason why Bradley Beal could potentially make that much money.
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The salary cap will be several million higher when Thompson goes into free agency, too. More money for suitors to throw around.
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I dont know why we are even discussing a rumor thrown out by a poster on another message board. As of right now, the only rumors we have is Chad Ford saying they believe the C's have the best offer, and another source saying that the wolves plan to trade Love by the deadline.
I still think ainge finds a way to get him.
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That's right. We should never talk about anything speculative. Ever.
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This franchise is the Boston Celtics. It doesn't spend five or six years clinging to the futility of hope, especially not when draft-built champions are as rare as a Rondo trey.
We don't have time to wait. Make the move, Danny.
You sound like Rick Pitino when he traded Billups.
Billups, Johnson, Pierce and Walker could've been a nice team.
Pitino didn't have such a rational reason when he traded Billups.
I think we have a different definition of the term "rational".
That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into. Pitino dumped Billups during his rookie year and one of the main reasons was that he didn't want to have to give big contracts to all three of Walker/Mercer/Billups at the same time when they finished their rookie deals. I'd say trying to acquire an established young star player is more rational than that. Opinions vary apparently.
Billups was traded another 4-5 times over the course of many years before finally blossoming as a great player. Pitino traded him as a rookie to get Kenny Anderson, because he wanted to win immediately (LOL). Don't think it had as much to do about salary cap, although he may have claimed that later on in hind sight.
Having said that, I disliked the trade when it happened. I thought that billups would be a great shooter because his free throw shooting was so high (upper 80 percent) as a rookie. That is usually an indication of a player's ability to have a good outside FG percentage.
Pretty sure he talked about the contract situation when the trade was made.
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
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I have a feeling that if a trade goes down it will probably be on draft day/night. The closer it gets to draft day the more desperate the Wolves will get to move Love and get something in return. meaning the less that teams will be willing to offer. Ainge may be able to get him for 3 firsts and Sullinger hopefully.
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
Because you arent getting a 25 year old PF who averages 25ppg and 12rpg for peanuts. You have to give up some assets if you want a star player. Sullinger is a nice piece and I think he will have a long productive career in the NBA. but I doubt he sniff's those averages, or an all-star game.
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Finally let me post it....Bill Simmons Twitter...
If TWolves trade Love, Celts are heavy favs to get him now. GS won't discuss Klay T. + Bulls are focused on Melo. Boston trumps anyone else.
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
Greedy guts
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Minny would be pretty dumb to do the GSW deal over Boston's.
With GSW trade they get a high salary Lee for 2 more year , both Barnes and Thompson will need to be signed to big long term deals soon, and they will be to good to get a top lottery pick, but not good enough to make the playoffs. They would basically be putting their team in a state of mediocrity (7-10 seed in west at best). No big time free agent is going to Minny to play with Barnes and Thompson, and no high lottery talent would be able to be added to that core.
With Boston deal they get #6 and 17 in a deep draft, who would be on cheap rookie deals for the next 4 years. They get an additional pick or 2 as future talent or trade chips . They get Sully who is still on a rookie deal for 2 more years, and likely won't require they pay day that Thompson and Barnes will likely get . C's can also help Minny cut more salary by taking back Martin for Bogans' contract .
Minny would also be getting another top 5-10 pick next year ( their own) if they do the C's deal .
so would you rather have two high lottery picks , a starting PF (who's only 22 and on a rookie deal) and an additional future pick or 2 , and the ability to shed another long term contract (Martin )
or
Take on Barnes, Thompson as your future core ?
I agree. The ONLY thing that worries me is that the KG trade is still fresh in minds of TWolves ownership and that they won't want to deal another star player to Boston.
Like I worry that Minnesota thinks that if they did deal Love to Boston, that the perception to their fans is that the TWolves end up looking like a developmental league for the Celtics.
its a different front office, I doubt they will let emotion come into play when it comes to doing what is best for their team.
Its the same owner.
Taylor will want a massive overpay this time
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
Because you arent getting a 25 year old PF who averages 25ppg and 12rpg for peanuts. You have to give up some assets if you want a star player. Sullinger is a nice piece and I think he will have a long productive career in the NBA. but I doubt he sniff's those averages, or an all-star game.
Again, my concerns have nothing to do with Sullinger. I think the whole package is a bad deal for us.
Let me repeat what I've said a few weeks ago in another thread: Gotta love NBA teams built around a big man who can't defend and a PG who can't shoot. Red Auerbach would approve.
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Minny would be pretty dumb to do the GSW deal over Boston's.
With GSW trade they get a high salary Lee for 2 more year , both Barnes and Thompson will need to be signed to big long term deals soon, and they will be to good to get a top lottery pick, but not good enough to make the playoffs. They would basically be putting their team in a state of mediocrity (7-10 seed in west at best). No big time free agent is going to Minny to play with Barnes and Thompson, and no high lottery talent would be able to be added to that core.
With Boston deal they get #6 and 17 in a deep draft, who would be on cheap rookie deals for the next 4 years. They get an additional pick or 2 as future talent or trade chips . They get Sully who is still on a rookie deal for 2 more years, and likely won't require they pay day that Thompson and Barnes will likely get . C's can also help Minny cut more salary by taking back Martin for Bogans' contract .
Minny would also be getting another top 5-10 pick next year ( their own) if they do the C's deal .
so would you rather have two high lottery picks , a starting PF (who's only 22 and on a rookie deal) and an additional future pick or 2 , and the ability to shed another long term contract (Martin )
or
Take on Barnes, Thompson as your future core ?
I agree. The ONLY thing that worries me is that the KG trade is still fresh in minds of TWolves ownership and that they won't want to deal another star player to Boston.
Like I worry that Minnesota thinks that if they did deal Love to Boston, that the perception to their fans is that the TWolves end up looking like a developmental league for the Celtics.
its a different front office, I doubt they will let emotion come into play when it comes to doing what is best for their team.
Its the same owner.
Taylor will want a massive overpay this time
If he sticks to that process, he'll prove to be an idiot since, eventually, he'll end up with nothing for it.
A massive overpay stance is hardball that Taylor can't afford to play in the long run. I think most GMs recognize it too.
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
Because you arent getting a 25 year old PF who averages 25ppg and 12rpg for peanuts. You have to give up some assets if you want a star player. Sullinger is a nice piece and I think he will have a long productive career in the NBA. but I doubt he sniff's those averages, or an all-star game.
Again, my concerns have nothing to do with Sullinger. I think the whole package is a bad deal for us.
Let me repeat what I've said a few weeks ago in another thread: Gotta love NBA teams built around a big man who can't defend and a PG who can't shoot. Red Auerbach would approve.
I agree, but Sully and 3 firsts, provided that only one of them is a BKN pick, is hardly a bad deal.
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
Because you arent getting a 25 year old PF who averages 25ppg and 12rpg for peanuts. You have to give up some assets if you want a star player. Sullinger is a nice piece and I think he will have a long productive career in the NBA. but I doubt he sniff's those averages, or an all-star game.
Again, my concerns have nothing to do with Sullinger. I think the whole package is a bad deal for us.
Let me repeat what I've said a few weeks ago in another thread: Gotta love NBA teams built around a big man who can't defend and a PG who can't shoot. Red Auerbach would approve.
I agree, but Sully and 3 firsts, provided that only one of them is a BKN pick, is hardly a bad deal.
Yeah, its probably going to take a third 1st rounder. The question will be of what sort. Are we talking one of our own, the Clippers pick, or one of those Nets picks?
I'd prefer to leave those Nets picks alone but my guess is that MIN is going to demand one of those to the Clippers pick or even another one of ours.
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My gut feeling says that 2018 BKN should be untouchable, especially if Ainge + ownership are trying to go all in on a championship in the meantime: Brooklyn aught to be terrible by that point, and lottery talent would help offset the declining game of Love + Rondo.
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Let me repeat what I've said a few weeks ago in another thread: Gotta love NBA teams built around a big man who can't defend and a PG who can't shoot. Red Auerbach would approve.
Yup. Because building around Dwight Howard has done miracles for every team he's been on. Competent two-way big men are few and far between, and there is more to successful team building than the individual qualities of the players.
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My gut feeling says that 2018 BKN should be untouchable, especially if Ainge + ownership are trying to go all in on a championship in the meantime: Brooklyn aught to be terrible by that point, and lottery talent would help offset the declining game of Love + Rondo.
In 2018, Kevin Love will be 29. Smack in the middle of his prime. Rondo will be 32 and should still be pretty good - you might see some small decline but he should still be close to his current level. Keeping that pick and adding a potential star to that would be pretty phenomenal towards maintaining a (hopefully) title contending team.
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My gut feeling says that 2018 BKN should be untouchable, especially if Ainge + ownership are trying to go all in on a championship in the meantime: Brooklyn aught to be terrible by that point, and lottery talent would help offset the declining game of Love + Rondo.
In 2018, Kevin Love will be 29. Smack in the middle of his prime. Rondo will be 32 and should still be pretty good - you might see some small decline but he should still be close to his current level. Keeping that pick and adding a potential star to that would be pretty phenomenal towards maintaining a (hopefully) title contending team.
Kind of like what Len Bias was supposed to be for those aging Celtic teams from the late-80s
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Realgm, Simmons, and Chad ford all over it today. This trade is gaining momentum as draft nears.
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Finally let me post it....Bill Simmons Twitter...
If TWolves trade Love, Celts are heavy favs to get him now. GS won't discuss Klay T. + Bulls are focused on Melo. Boston trumps anyone else.
Nice!!!
The fewer the suitors, the less we'll have to pay!!
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One thing I'd just toss into the conversation is something that Jeff brought up on the front page yesterday. I totally don't buy the idea that acquiring Love is putting us more on the path of becoming the Miami Heat than the San Antonio Spurs.
First, this notion that the Spurs are a team without superstars is absurd. Tim Duncan is a top 10 player of all time, and potentially a top 5 player depending on who you ask. And while he's playing less, if you check out his per 36 minutes averages, he's doing exactly what he's always done throughout his career when he's on the floor. He's flanked by two other star caliber players in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili--and that's not even bringing Kawhi Leonard into the conversation. This is not some reincarnation of the 2004 Pistons.
Second, the notion that the Spurs would never move homegrown assets for superstars is negated by the fact they lucked into Tim Duncan in 1997. If the C's had lucked into the #1 pick in 2007 or this year, they wouldn't have brought in KG and Ray and they wouldn't be looking to acquire Love now.
Finally, while I don't particularly like the Heat, is becoming them so bad? They've been to the past four Finals and have won two of them. If that's the "negative" of acquiring Love, I'll take it.
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My gut feeling says that 2018 BKN should be untouchable, especially if Ainge + ownership are trying to go all in on a championship in the meantime: Brooklyn aught to be terrible by that point, and lottery talent would help offset the declining game of Love + Rondo.
In 2018, Kevin Love will be 29. Smack in the middle of his prime. Rondo will be 32 and should still be pretty good - you might see some small decline but he should still be close to his current level. Keeping that pick and adding a potential star to that would be pretty phenomenal towards maintaining a (hopefully) title contending team.
Kind of like what Len Bias was supposed to be for those aging Celtic teams from the late-80s
Exactly.
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One thing I'd just toss into the conversation is something that Jeff brought up on the front page yesterday. I totally don't buy the idea that acquiring Love is putting us more on the path of becoming the Miami Heat than the San Antonio Spurs.
First, this notion that the Spurs are a team without superstars is absurd. Tim Duncan is a top 10 player of all time, and potentially a top 5 player depending on who you ask. And while he's playing less, if you check out his per 36 minutes averages, he's doing exactly what he's always done throughout his career when he's on the floor. He's flanked by two other star caliber players in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili--and that's not even bringing Kawhi Leonard into the conversation. This is not some reincarnation of the 2004 Pistons.
Second, the notion that the Spurs would never move homegrown assets for superstars is negated by the fact they lucked into Tim Duncan in 1997. If the C's had lucked into the #1 pick in 2007 or this year, they wouldn't have brought in KG and Ray and they wouldn't be looking to acquire Love now.
Finally, while I don't particularly like the Heat, is becoming them so bad? They've been to the past four Finals and have won two of them. If that's the "negative" of acquiring Love, I'll take it.
All of those teams mentioned have Hall of Fame players. We're talking about bringing in Kevin Love.
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
Because you arent getting a 25 year old PF who averages 25ppg and 12rpg for peanuts. You have to give up some assets if you want a star player. Sullinger is a nice piece and I think he will have a long productive career in the NBA. but I doubt he sniff's those averages, or an all-star game.
Again, my concerns have nothing to do with Sullinger. I think the whole package is a bad deal for us.
Let me repeat what I've said a few weeks ago in another thread: Gotta love NBA teams built around a big man who can't defend and a PG who can't shoot. Red Auerbach would approve.
Well, you are assuming that if we trade for Love Ainge is done, which is not at all the case. If we trade Sully and a few picks for Love, then we will trade for a defensive center to complement him, and a legit sg to play alongside Rondo. Someone like Asik next to Love and someone like Martin or Gordon next to Rondo makes a lineup that Red would certainly approve of, unless you honestly believe that Heinson at power forward was a defensive force or that Cousy was a sharpshooter. Rondo is the closest thing to Cousy the league has seen since, and Love is like a modern day Heinson . Sure, Asik would be a far cry from Bill Russell, but there are thirty teams in the league nowadays and we are not going to win ten championships with one group, no one will.
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
Because you arent getting a 25 year old PF who averages 25ppg and 12rpg for peanuts. You have to give up some assets if you want a star player. Sullinger is a nice piece and I think he will have a long productive career in the NBA. but I doubt he sniff's those averages, or an all-star game.
Again, my concerns have nothing to do with Sullinger. I think the whole package is a bad deal for us.
Let me repeat what I've said a few weeks ago in another thread: Gotta love NBA teams built around a big man who can't defend and a PG who can't shoot. Red Auerbach would approve.
Red hated PGs that can't shoot. He'd have chewed glass before he picked one up. Just ask Cousy or DJ.
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
Because you arent getting a 25 year old PF who averages 25ppg and 12rpg for peanuts. You have to give up some assets if you want a star player. Sullinger is a nice piece and I think he will have a long productive career in the NBA. but I doubt he sniff's those averages, or an all-star game.
Again, my concerns have nothing to do with Sullinger. I think the whole package is a bad deal for us.
Let me repeat what I've said a few weeks ago in another thread: Gotta love NBA teams built around a big man who can't defend and a PG who can't shoot. Red Auerbach would approve.
Red hated PGs that can't shoot. He'd have chewed glass before he picked one up. Just ask Cousy or DJ.
A) He didn't pick Cousy, and didn't want him, at first
B) The team wasn't built around DJ
C) He did like big men who could play defense
Could you now please stop with the rethorical nonsense?
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I think the Wolves will want to clear their cap, get talent, and get picks. The GSW trade only gets them one of those 3 things. They might choose to do it, but I'll be surprised if its not a more complicated deal to shed some salary to another team in a three-way sort of trade.
Picks are the cheapest talent too and for a place where people do not like to stay are not they locked in longer?
Just ask Cousy or DJ.
Were you around for the DJ era? Because DJ was one of the most clutch shooters and a true asset in a close game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KotZZMki7E
http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/06/the-25-most-clutch-players-in-nba-finals-history/clutch-finals-18
His stats went up in the finals. Most guys go down and produce less. As for Cousy shooting percentages were way less back then.
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That wouldn't surprise me. CoachBo wants to trade Sully for Love instead of waiting to see what kind of player Sully turns into.
Me neither. If the trade was just Sullinger for Love, I'd be on board, but he wants to trade more than that.
Because you arent getting a 25 year old PF who averages 25ppg and 12rpg for peanuts. You have to give up some assets if you want a star player. Sullinger is a nice piece and I think he will have a long productive career in the NBA. but I doubt he sniff's those averages, or an all-star game.
Again, my concerns have nothing to do with Sullinger. I think the whole package is a bad deal for us.
Let me repeat what I've said a few weeks ago in another thread: Gotta love NBA teams built around a big man who can't defend and a PG who can't shoot. Red Auerbach would approve.
Red hated PGs that can't shoot. He'd have chewed glass before he picked one up. Just ask Cousy or DJ.
A) He didn't pick Cousy, and didn't want him, at first
B) The team wasn't built around DJ
C) He did like big men who could play defense
Could you now please stop with the rethorical nonsense?
I think the term "build around" is rhetorical nonsense. But whatever.
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I think the Wolves will want to clear their cap, get talent, and get picks. The GSW trade only gets them one of those 3 things. They might choose to do it, but I'll be surprised if its not a more complicated deal to shed some salary to another team in a three-way sort of trade.
Picks are the cheapest talent too and for a place where people do not like to stay are not they locked in longer?
Just ask Cousy or DJ.
Were you around for the DJ era?
Yes. He was a clutch player but a pretty poor shooter overall.
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here is the latest from Ford last night on Olbermann
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4713380/video-ford-talks-love-on-olbermann