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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Mr October on March 25, 2014, 07:31:34 PM
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If you had to pick best player available, who are your top 10 picks, in order?
If you only have a top 5 or 7, give us those. I find the 5-12 range really tough to separate. But here I go...
1. Wiggins - young Mcgrady, elite hops & speed, nice shooter, defender
2. Embiid - back concern drops him a little, but he is the big with the best tools in the draft
3. Parker - he is a load at either forward spot with a lot of scoring tools. Good rebounder.
4. Exum - haven't seen any games, but appears to have everything going for him as a 1 or 2
5. Randle - a beast around the basket. Excellent rebounder and speed for a big
6. Vonleh - a little slow and lost at times, but nice rebounder with a lot of scoring potential
7. Ennis - i dont see why he couldn't be the next elite PG, and a George Hill at worst.
8. Gordon - great intangibles and defense, but offense is way behind a young Kirilenko type
9. Smart - has "it", physical, good defense. Is he Tyreke Evans 2.0?
10. Hood - nice shooter, body for a wing
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1. Embiid – as long as his back checks out to a reasonable degree, to me he’s the surest thing in the draft. He’s an all-star, just a question of perennial or occasional
2. Wiggins – He’s a prototypical two way SG or SF with great athleticism. If he didn’t have a tendency to vanish from games (Jeff Green Syndrome) he’d be my #1
3. Parker – I think he’ll put in the work to be a good, maybe great NBA player. His defense is a bit suspect, but has a great, instinctive overall game and a scorers mentality.
4. Exum – The great enigma for me. I’m super excited about the kid, but have only seen him play in 2 videos. “In Danny We Trust” on whether he should be ranked 1 or 4 on Dante.
5. Vonleh – I’m enamored with this kid’s potential. Great size and length, outstanding rebounder, and his quickness, agility and shooting touch have me captivated. He’s a bit of a project though and the instincts are still in development.
6. Randle – ditto what Mr. October said. I think Randle may have been ripped down a bit too much earlier in the year and is a solid player.
<at this point I’d start to explore trading down>
7. Smart - I like his intangibles and defense. I think C's have to trade Rondo if they start Smart though.
8. Gordon – Smart and Gordon are two guys I haven’t been interested in at all. I’m starting to warm up to them, but I worry about their lack of shooting (particularly Gordon)
<at this point I would LOVE to trade down. Talk to me again around pick #15 when we’ve hopefully added another 1st plus a 2nd because the late lottery all looks the same to me.>
9. Ennis – seems to be able to lead a team effectively
10. Hood - I’d be very happy if Hood were a Celtic after this draft, but 10 just seems too high to take him.
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I agree with the top 9 but have to omit Hood... Early and Payton are moving up the board like lightning so I would rather fill that last spot with either of them..
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I agree with the top 9 but have to omit Hood... Early and Payton are moving up the board like lightning so I would rather fill that last spot with either of them..
Elfrid Payton is another guy I've been really intrigued by all season (I even watched a couple of ULL games on ESPN3). I can't get a sense for what range he'll be drafted in, but if he fell to late 1st early 2nd I'd love to see the C's pick up a 3rd pick and nab him somehow. Sounds like he might be moving much higher in the 1st anyway.
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1.) Wiggins
2.) Embiid - I'm wary of his back
3.) Parker
4.) Exum - He is for real and I would be happy if we got him
5.) Randle - I am not enamored with him but I think you have to take him
6.) Vonleh
7.) Smart
8.) Saric - although he could freefall in the draft and I'm hoping he does
9.) Aaron Gordon
10.) Jusuf Nurkic - 9'2" standing reach and great offensive skill already. If he falls to 14-17 and we have the 18th pick, I really hope we trade up to grab him
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Looks good..... :)
Probably pretty close how it will go down. The top three could be shuffled around in any order
I'd still like ....1#.Parker , Embiid , Wiggins
Prediction C's take Randle with 5 th selection... ;)
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Saric signed a multi-year deal with a Euro team. Not sure of what the buyout is, but I expect him to fall in the draft because of this. He would be an interesting second 1st round pick in the teens.
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Saric signed a multi-year deal with a Euro team. Not sure of what the buyout is, but I expect him to fall in the draft because of this. He would be an interesting second 1st round pick in the teens.
I would love him because a.) he just became a lot cheaper to get, b.) it's unlikely we'll be competitive next year anyways and 2015 is also a strong draft year and c.) he's a top 10 player from a skill/size standpoint in this draft.
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1. Embiid – as long as his back checks out to a reasonable degree, to me he’s the surest thing in the draft. He’s an all-star, just a question of perennial or occasional
2. Wiggins – He’s a prototypical two way SG or SF with great athleticism. If he didn’t have a tendency to vanish from games (Jeff Green Syndrome) he’d be my #1
3. Parker – I think he’ll put in the work to be a good, maybe great NBA player. His defense is a bit suspect, but has a great, instinctive overall game and a scorers mentality.
4. Exum – The great enigma for me. I’m super excited about the kid, but have only seen him play in 2 videos. “In Danny We Trust” on whether he should be ranked 1 or 4 on Dante.
5. Vonleh – I’m enamored with this kid’s potential. Great size and length, outstanding rebounder, and his quickness, agility and shooting touch have me captivated. He’s a bit of a project though and the instincts are still in development.
6. Randle – ditto what Mr. October said. I think Randle may have been ripped down a bit too much earlier in the year and is a solid player.
<at this point I’d start to explore trading down>
7. Smart - I like his intangibles and defense. I think C's have to trade Rondo if they start Smart though.
8. Gordon – Smart and Gordon are two guys I haven’t been interested in at all. I’m starting to warm up to them, but I worry about their lack of shooting (particularly Gordon)
<at this point I would LOVE to trade down. Talk to me again around pick #15 when we’ve hopefully added another 1st plus a 2nd because the late lottery all looks the same to me.>
9. Ennis – seems to be able to lead a team effectively
10. Hood - I’d be very happy if Hood were a Celtic after this draft, but 10 just seems too high to take him.
Embiid is anything but the surest thing in the draft imo. He's the most likely out of the supposed top 3-5 to bust. His injury issues are a concern. He's also relatively new to the game and his understanding of concepts might be behind other players his age. Either way, he's a project imo. I like him and I think he has the potential to be a good player but I personally wouldn't take him first overall.
I think Parker is the most "ready." I don't think he'll ever be a good defender but I think he'll be able to score at a good clip in the NBA. I wouldn't use the word "safe" but I think what you see is what you get with him. Pretty good offense, mediocre defense, some rebounding.
The one I'm most intrigued is Wiggins though. I think at worst he's a 3 and D guy. But I think he's the most talented one in the draft. Freak athlete, good looking shot, and can be a force on both ends of the court. He might not be as ready as Parker, but I think he brings more to the table than Parker does. I think he's the number one pick.
As for other prospects, I'm also high on Smart, Exum, and Vonleh.
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1. Jabari Parker
2. Andrew Wiggins
3. Joel Embiid
4. Dante Exum
5. Marcus Smart
6. Julius Randle
7. Noah Vonleh
8. Tyler Ennis
9. T.J. Warren (Why isn't he projected to go higher? Am I missing something?)
10. Jusuf Nurkic
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It is interesting that no one is slotting Harris at 9 or 10. He looks like a solid 2 way shooting guard. I only put Hood ahead of him because i have a feeling Harris is going to only measure 6'2.5" in the combine. He looked small in the games i saw him play. I am looking forward to seeing more of him this weekend.
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Saric signed a multi-year deal with a Euro team. Not sure of what the buyout is, but I expect him to fall in the draft because of this. He would be an interesting second 1st round pick in the teens.
Wow, i didnt know he signed a contract. Sounds like it is for 3 years, and no idea what the buyout might be. I would select him at 18 if for some reason he slides all the way down there.
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My list right now
1. Embiid - lost, indecisive but at times dominates the game on both ends of the court. Looks and plays like the dream when he is on
2. Exum -During the World vs Usa and U19 this past summer, he was better than alot of the usa players. Superb size for a pg , good passing skills and elite ability to drive and finish around the basket
3. Gordon - A bit of a tweener but unlike Parker can guard both pf/sf spots extremely well. A defensive force , who is all over the court and is an excellent team and weakside defender. High iq. Underrated offensive game and that is a consistent jump shot away from being an excellent two way player
4. Wiggins - Super athletic player that should be able to score on anybody. Has to become stronger, be more aggressive and work on driving and finishing with his left hand. A cross between Derozan and Terence Ross
5. Parker - Very skilled offensively , can score in many different ways, handle the ball, pass , post up. Needs to work on his defensive game and stamina in general. Body shape is better to play the PF position, but has sf skills. Worse case = Derrick Williams part 2 , which is not a good thing
6. Kyle Anderson - Slo mo or not, just too much skills not to go in the top 10. He has been a walking triple double machine from the start of the year. Amazing passing skills for a sf, can rebound, block shots, score on the drive, has a mid range game and now has a three point jump shot. His defense at the next level is a concern, but he is so long and has a high iq to make it up in other ways.
7. Randle - A force on the inside. Excellent rebounder due to excellent boxing out skills. Has to try a little harder to score on the inside , especially vs length. Hasn't really shown much of a jump shot and needs to work on it to excel at the next level. Lack of length is a worry.
Has a decent handle, passing skills and good bbiq. Like a wider Antoine Walker that likes to work in the paint and not jack up threes
8. TJ Warren - A 6'8 sf scoring machine. He knows how to score in so many different ways, it's hard to stop him. To make up for lack of great athleticism and quickness he will work extremely hard on the court. Will be usually the first one up the court to score transition baskets, dive for balls on the defensive end, run around screens non stop until he receives a pass. Defense at the next level is sort of a concern. Likes to steal the ball, and anticipates to steal instead of trying to stay in front of his man.
9. Tyler Ennis - Reminds me of Sam Cassel. Not that athletic or quick but once he gets a head start, can beat you to the basket. Unselfish and excellent court vision but also when the game is on the line can get you clutch baskets. Good team defender but only decent individual defender
10. Marcus Smart - Excellent defender and high end abilit to drive and finish around the basket. A bulldozer that plays with emotion. Too much though at times and can be out of control. Turnover prone, poor shot selection. Streaky jump shooter. Imo should be a SG at the next level and let someone else run the point. Simplify things for him.
Outside looking in
Vonleh - A very good looking future nba PF. A Pure pf that has excellent size, length and good athleticism, quickness . Has underrated offensive skills. Can block shots and rebound. But has a mediocre iq, feel for the game. Still if he can put it together, a future double double machine
KJ Mcdaniel - Super athletic/quick SF. On the same level as Wiggins if not even more explosive. Elite shot blocker , excellent rebounder and overall defender. Still learning to beat you offensively and has a decent looking jump shot, drive and finish and in the later part of the year was passing the ball at avg of about 3 a game. Mediocre iq, feel for the game and shot selection concern. Reminds me of Vince Carter. (better defensively but not as good offensively)
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1 Andrew Wiggins
2 jabari Parker
3 Joel embiid
4 Dante exum
5 Noah vonleh
6 Marcus smart
7 Julius randle
8 dario saric
9 Gary Harris
10 Clint capela
11 jusuf nurkic
12 Rodney hood
13 Aaron Gordon
14 Tyler Ennis
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6. Kyle Anderson - Slo mo or not, just too much skills not to go in the top 10. He has been a walking triple double machine from the start of the year. Amazing passing skills for a sf, can rebound, block shots, score on the drive, has a mid range game and now has a three point jump shot. His defense at the next level is a concern, but he is so long and has a high iq to make it up in other ways.
Woah, Anderson as the 6th best prospect? That is bold. I like him. I cant help but think Boris Diaw when i have seen him play. He is crafty and can fill a box score. One could argue that a Boris Diaw is worth a number 6 pick. I wish i saw the ucla v Arizona pac 12 title game. Arizona is not shy on athletic defenders, yet Anderson carved them up. UCLA v Florida on Thursday is must watch television.
I think there is a good chance Anderson is available at number 18 though. His slow speed on defense will scare teams off. I also wonder what kind of player he is on offense off the ball. If a guy like Rondo, Irving, Paul, etc is dominating the ball, how effective will Anderson be? NBA teams love their 3 and D wings these days.
I think the 3 and D thing, and probably some advanced metrics, are holding TJ Warren back as well. I like him in the teens. There is more to being a successful wing than only being a 3 and D role player. He is so active and has an impressive nose for scoring, even when his shot isn't falling from the outside.
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1. Wiggins
2. Embiid
3. Parker
4. Exum
5. Vonleh
6. Randle
7. Gordon
8. Ennis
9. Smart
10. Warren
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6. Kyle Anderson - Slo mo or not, just too much skills not to go in the top 10. He has been a walking triple double machine from the start of the year. Amazing passing skills for a sf, can rebound, block shots, score on the drive, has a mid range game and now has a three point jump shot. His defense at the next level is a concern, but he is so long and has a high iq to make it up in other ways.
Woah, Anderson as the 6th best prospect? That is bold. I like him. I cant help but think Boris Diaw when i have seen him play. He is crafty and can fill a box score. One could argue that a Boris Diaw is worth a number 6 pick. I wish i saw the ucla v Arizona pac 12 title game. Arizona is not shy on athletic defenders, yet Anderson carved them up. UCLA v Florida on Thursday is must watch television.
I think there is a good chance Anderson is available at number 18 though. His slow speed on defense will scare teams off. I also wonder what kind of player he is on offense off the ball. If a guy like Rondo, Irving, Paul, etc is dominating the ball, how effective will Anderson be? NBA teams love their 3 and D wings these days.
I think the 3 and D thing, and probably some advanced metrics, are holding TJ Warren back as well. I like him in the teens. There is more to being a successful wing than only being a 3 and D role player. He is so active and has an impressive nose for scoring, even when his shot isn't falling from the outside.
Kyle Anderson and Rondo can work. It would be like Rondo and Pierce working.
Anderson is just a better body away from being someone like Magic, but with a 3 pt shot. That is a great player.
TJ Warren is a streaky shooter and tries hard on defense. But he is an incredible , efficient scorer. His headfakes, step fakes from the three to the basket is advanced. He is also a very consistent player. Consistently almost scoring 20 points on a really mediocre team. Multiple 30 and a few 40 point games. And against good teams , he didn't stop scoring.
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Wiggins
Parker
Embiid
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Exum
Smart
Randle
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Vonleh
Gordon
Saric
Russ Smith (It's a twist!)
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1. Wiggins
2. Embiid
3. Parker
4. Exum
5. Vonleh
6. Randle
7. Gordon
8. Ennis
9. Smart
10. Warren
This but I'd take out TJ Warren and replace him with Cleanthony Early.
I think even coming from a loss, he played himself into the top 10.
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6. Kyle Anderson - Slo mo or not, just too much skills not to go in the top 10. He has been a walking triple double machine from the start of the year. Amazing passing skills for a sf, can rebound, block shots, score on the drive, has a mid range game and now has a three point jump shot. His defense at the next level is a concern, but he is so long and has a high iq to make it up in other ways.
Woah, Anderson as the 6th best prospect? That is bold. I like him. I cant help but think Boris Diaw when i have seen him play. He is crafty and can fill a box score. One could argue that a Boris Diaw is worth a number 6 pick. I wish i saw the ucla v Arizona pac 12 title game. Arizona is not shy on athletic defenders, yet Anderson carved them up. UCLA v Florida on Thursday is must watch television.
I think there is a good chance Anderson is available at number 18 though. His slow speed on defense will scare teams off. I also wonder what kind of player he is on offense off the ball. If a guy like Rondo, Irving, Paul, etc is dominating the ball, how effective will Anderson be? NBA teams love their 3 and D wings these days.
I think the 3 and D thing, and probably some advanced metrics, are holding TJ Warren back as well. I like him in the teens. There is more to being a successful wing than only being a 3 and D role player. He is so active and has an impressive nose for scoring, even when his shot isn't falling from the outside.
Kyle Anderson and Rondo can work. It would be like Rondo and Pierce working.
Anderson is just a better body away from being someone like Magic, but with a 3 pt shot. That is a great player.
TJ Warren is a streaky shooter and tries hard on defense. But he is an incredible , efficient scorer. His headfakes, step fakes from the three to the basket is advanced. He is also a very consistent player. Consistently almost scoring 20 points on a really mediocre team. Multiple 30 and a few 40 point games. And against good teams , he didn't stop scoring.
Good point about pierce and rondo. Every great team needs multiple shot creators. Another example could be Diaw and Ginobili thriving alongside Parker. Anderson could do just fine.
Considering Warren is only a 20 year old sophomore, his scoring game is indeed super advanced.
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Wiggins
Parker
Embiid
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Exum
Smart
Randle
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Vonleh
Gordon
Saric
Russ Smith (It's a twist!)
...The M Knight Shyamalan of mock drafters...
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I mean, after about, say, pick 7, I'd like to draft Russ Smith because he's entertaining.
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1. Wiggins
2. Embiid
3. Parker
4. Exum
5. Randle
6. Smart - Underrated player because the college game, with it's condensed zone D, is not ideal for his game. In the pro's he becomes a very difficult matchup because of his combination of quickness, strength, and ballhandling.
7. Vonleh
8. Saric
9. Ennis
10. Nurkic - Huge and young. If he were in the NCAA he could very well be projected to go much higher.
Next 5 (no specific order) - McDermott, Gordon, Hood, Smith, & Cauley-Stein
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A note on Saric: last I saw, he had a deal with his current team to stay for multiple seasons, and it's unlikely he'll even declare for the draft this season.
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This is my ranking not how I see it going down. Also looking at it in general not just for Cs
1. Embiid
2. Exum
3. Wiggins
4. Parker
5. Randle
6. Vonleh
7. Smart
8. Gordon
9. McDermott
10. Capela
11. Nurkic
12. Ennis
13. Saric (dont think he declares)
14. Warren
15. Cauley-Stein
16. Kyle Anderson
17. Stauskas
18. Harrell
19. Haiston
20. Grant
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I'm having a hard time getting the Ennis and Gordon love here. I don't like them at all for the Cs. If it came down to drafting either of them or trading the pick, it's a no-brainer for me.
I've been on the Kyle Anderson train for a long time. 14 double doubles, one triple double and numerous games with numbers across the board. I'd pick him over Ennis and Gordon, and as high as I am on him, I'd be hard-pressed to take him with our first unless it was 7 or worse.
I'd consider him with our second if he lasts, but I doubt he will.
Check out the video in this article link of UCLA's semi-final Pac-12 demolishing of in the semis of the Pac 12 tourney:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/ucla/la-sp-ucla-stanford-pac-12-20140315,0,5346311.story#axzz2w36ePgTC
It's the game highlights, but might as well be labeled "Kyle Anderson" highlights.
His anticipation, court awareness and vision are elite. The biggest knock on him is that he's not uber-athletic. Neither is Tyler Ennis and lots of people LOVE that guy. I don't get it. I take Anderson over Ennis 100x out of 100.
A 6'9" point guard/forward with a 7'2' wingspan.
And he's far more skilled than Gordon in all areas of the game. He just doesn't have the physical tools and the defense, but his BBIQ is impressive and will make up for a lot, especially positionally on defense.
Embid
Wiggins
Parker
Exum
Vonleh
Smart
Randle?
Anderson
Harris
Nukric
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Csfan, for myself I can tell you why I like the idea of drafting Gordon so much -- in short, I think his athleticism, defensive versatility, and ability to impact a game in a big way on the defensive end (he has "highlight" defensive potential) while presenting mismatches at either forward position would give our team something it lacks right now. He'd add another dimension.
Combine him with a move for a solid defensive center e.g. Asik and Rondo's continued recovery and I think that could transform the Celtics into an elite defensive team before very long.
Lacking the ability to add an elite scorer with superstar potential (i.e. Wiggins or Parker) or a defensive anchor with star potential (i.e. Embiid) with our top draft pick, I'd be happy to land as consolation a player who can fill a lot of gaps in our currently underwhelming lineup and provide a welcome respite from the sleepy, drifting style of play we're currently getting from the SF position.
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A note on Saric: last I saw, he had a deal with his current team to stay for multiple seasons, and it's unlikely he'll even declare for the draft this season.
Saric's deal is reportedly for three years, and for about as much money as the #6 overall pick would make in the first three years of his deal. It would actually make a lot of sense for Saric to enter the draft this year, because three years after being drafted, he is no longer subject to the rookie salary scale. Having that three year period end at the same time his new contract ends would give him more leverage for his next contract, since his NBA team wouldn't have to buy him out, and European teams would know that he wasn't subject to a salary restriction in the NBA, and would thus have to raise their offers.
It will lower his draft stock considerably, but if he's not going to come over until his slot restriction is gone, that's of little concern to him. It would definitely be a good long-term play to try to get him, maybe picking up an extra pick in the 20s to make it happen. When he comes to the NBA in 2017, assuming he continues to develop, he'll be ready to step into a major role immediately. And if he never develops, while you've cost yourself the pick, you never have to sign him to a contract.
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Wiggins
Parker
Embiid
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Exum
Smart
Randle
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Vonleh
Gordon
Saric
Russ Smith (It's a twist!)
This is most in line with my thoughts. Especially the first two tiers. Anything past pick #7 or so, I'm not too concerned about at the moment.
In terms of the first 6, pretty much agreed although I think I like Parker over Wiggins at the #1 slot.
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I think I'd take Wiggins over Parker, simply because I think the NBA game will agree with Wiggins and that he'll develop into a much better scorer over time than we've yet seen. I also like his defensive potential, compared to Parker, who might end up, like Melo, being best hidden at the 4 spot next to a large center. I'd be thrilled to end up with either, though.
Randle is a tough case for me. He's probably going to be a similar player to Zach Randolph or David Lee, but I'd worry that he might end up closer to Carl Landry or Ty Hansbrough. I feel like he might be the most NBA-ready player in that top 5-7 group, but his role is going to be essentially the same as the one Sullinger has played for our team. The two couldn't possibly play together.
Danny could always trade whichever of them he thinks has a lower ceiling in exchange for a player we can use now, but I don't like the idea of being somewhat forced to make a trade like that. If you're trading a young player on a rookie contract with a record or expectation of high productivity, you want to get the best return possible because that's a really valuable asset. Having the appearance of "needing" to make a trade doesn't put you in a good position to do that.
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Wiggins
Parker
Embiid
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Exum
Smart
Randle
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Vonleh
Gordon
Saric
Russ Smith (It's a twist!)
This is most in line with my thoughts. Especially the first two tiers. Anything past pick #7 or so, I'm not too concerned about at the moment.
In terms of the first 6, pretty much agreed although I think I like Parker over Wiggins at the #1 slot.
Yeah those are more informal groupings than anything else -- I haven't had a chance to do much March Madness coverage this year, and I'm too busy to pay serious attention to college hoops during their regular season, so a straight ranking would be difficult.
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Very surprised most of you do not have Harris listed in the top 10, some even excluding him from your top 20. Huge mistake. That kid is going to be a very good NBA player, would not be surprised to see him make the all star game one day. Love his two way motor. Really hope we get him. Would be a much better back court mate with Rondo than Avery Bradley. Trade Avery.
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1. Wiggins - has the highest upside of any player though the lack of consistent aggression is extremely concerning
2. Embiid - has the second highest upside of the top three players but has the highest bust potential of the top 3 players.
3. Parker - probably the most ready NBA player of the top three and easily the one with the most refined moves and basketball intelligence. Needs to get his body in NBA hsape in order to truly succeed at the next level.
4. Randle - might have better intangibles than the top 3 but he is an undersized PF with short arms. But the toughness and motor and left handed shot is going to make him a very good player for some team.
5. Ennis - I think he is the best PG of this draft class with a lot of tools, a good BBIQ and plays clutch. He might struggle some to start but in time I see him as Mike Conley good or maybe better
6. Smart - tough and big with a fearlessness going to the rack but his shooting is not good and he isn't going to just be able to out muscle guards in the NBA. He's going to need to model his game to be a cross between Wade and Rondo. Be the playmaker without a great shot that effects so many other areas of the game while using his body and size like Wade to get to the basket and score like Wade. Very unsure what his long term potential could be.
7. Exum - this is strictly based on absolutely nothing but media hype as I have seen so little of him and haven't seen him in anything but highlights which makes anyone look good.
8. TJ Warren - a warrior at the SF position that can do a lot of things very good and can score better than just about anyone in this class. But his shot has to get better or he could just become another chucker.
9. Gordon - he's here on my chart simply for his defense but unless, like Avery Bradley, he can learn to score at this next level, he becomes nothing more than a defensive specialist which makes this draft position rather high.
10. Doug McDermott - The kid is the best shooter and scorer in this class and brings a lot of intangibles and intelligence to the game. Tougher than he is given credit for. If he was a little more athletic and black, he might have been looked at as a top 5 talent.
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I decided to average out everyone's picks so far. Here is a consensus top 10:
1. Wiggins
2. Embiid
3. Parker
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4. Exum
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5. Randle
6. Vonleh
7. Smart
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8. Gordon
9. Ennis
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10. Saric
Others getting a lot of attention for the top 10 in order: Warren, Anderson, Nurkic, Harris, Hood
After reading a lot of criticism of Randle over the past couple months, it is interesting that he is still 5 or 6 on just about everyone's board.
By the way, chad ford is doing a chat right now
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/50277/nba-insider-chad-ford
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I was about to ask about Kyle Anderson, but someone beat me to it. Chad made a good point about how his career can go in very different directions depending on which team he goes to, and whether that team knows how to utilize him to his strengths.
Someone else asked about Nurkic, so i threw out a question about Capela. Interesting to hear that Capela has a lot of buzz. I hope the Celtics get a good look at both of them.
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10. Doug McDermott - The kid is the best shooter and scorer in this class and brings a lot of intangibles and intelligence to the game. Tougher than he is given credit for. If he was a little more athletic and black, he might have been looked at as a top 5 talent.
As someone who's been called racist on here for pointing out that Celtics fans tend to love white players, I'd like to draw attention to the relative lack of similar attention this post has received.
Not saying anything about Nick, just sayin'.
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As someone who's been called racist on here for pointing out that Celtics fans tend to love white players, I'd like to draw attention to the relative lack of similar attention this post has received.
People are probably ignoring it because they don't want to violate our rules, which don't allow discussion of a player's race. 8)
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I think if McDermott ended up here somehow, he'd be a polarizing presence (among fans), just as Kelly Olynyk has been so far this year, and just as Scalabrine was when he was here.
Make of that what you will.
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As someone who's been called racist on here for pointing out that Celtics fans tend to love white players, I'd like to draw attention to the relative lack of similar attention this post has received.
People are probably ignoring it because they don't want to violate our rules, which don't allow discussion of a player's race. 8)
Touche.
I think if McDermott ended up here somehow, he'd be a polarizing presence (among fans), just as Kelly Olynyk has been so far this year, and just as Scalabrine was when he was here.
Make of that what you will.
I feel like a lot of that polarization wouldn't have occurred had any of those guys been/become above average starters, though.
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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.
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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.
Is the comparison not also one of potential ability?
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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.
I agree that their games are somewhat similar, and a lot of people wouldn't make that connection due to visible differences, but McDermott's also like 3 years older than Parker and wasn't nearly as highly regarded in high school, being overshadowed by Harrison Barnes. Plus there's the stat inflation issue of playing for his dad.
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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.
While I have not studied Parker and McDermott enough to draw this conclusion in the instant case, generally I feel that Nick is spot on with this observation about the media, and fans in general, when comparing players.
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1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Embiid
4. Exum
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5. Gordon
6. Smart
7. Randle
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8. Willie Cauley-Stein
9. Vonleh
10. McDermott
As to Nick's comment about McDermott and Parker being similar. I slightly agree except for the difference in age. Which means Parker has room for growth and a much higher upside.
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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.
I agree that their games are somewhat similar, and a lot of people wouldn't make that connection due to visible differences, but McDermott's also like 3 years older than Parker and wasn't nearly as highly regarded in high school, being overshadowed by Harrison Barnes. Plus there's the stat inflation issue of playing for his dad.
I don't see them as all that similar at all beyond the broadest of strokes.
Both are scorers who are pretty good but not great facilitators.
McDermott is a shooter who can hit from anywhere on the court and is comfortable running off screens for deep catch and shoot jumpers Ray Allen style. When he's not doing that he has to post up to create offense because he's very limited off the bounce. No matter where he is on the court he can't attack the rim, instead he uses nice body control for hooks and nifty layups.
Parker is also a good post player and scorer, but he's at his best off the bounce and handling the ball. His jumper is very shaky and certainly isn't comfortable coming off screens to use it. He can post up but he's not very skilled with it yet and typically only does it when he has a mismatch.
Neither can defend a chair, McDermott is better than Parker but I chalk that up to playing 4 years in his Dad's system more than any better acumen.
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The comment is based more on the perception of these players that the media paints rather than calling people racist. I think McDermott and Parker are extremely similar players. Yet Parker is painted as the next Melo or Pierce and MeDermott the next Kyle Korver. Just think McDermott's game is closer to that of Parker and the manner in which many, including the media, compares players based first and foremost on skin color, paints an unfair picture of McDermott's game.
I agree that their games are somewhat similar, and a lot of people wouldn't make that connection due to visible differences, but McDermott's also like 3 years older than Parker and wasn't nearly as highly regarded in high school, being overshadowed by Harrison Barnes. Plus there's the stat inflation issue of playing for his dad.
I don't see them as all that similar at all beyond the broadest of strokes.
Both are scorers who are pretty good but not great facilitators.
McDermott is a shooter who can hit from anywhere on the court and is comfortable running off screens for deep catch and shoot jumpers Ray Allen style. When he's not doing that he has to post up to create offense because he's very limited off the bounce. No matter where he is on the court he can't attack the rim, instead he uses nice body control for hooks and nifty layups.
Parker is also a good post player and scorer, but he's at his best off the bounce and handling the ball. His jumper is very shaky and certainly isn't comfortable coming off screens to use it. He can post up but he's not very skilled with it yet and typically only does it when he has a mismatch.
Neither can defend a chair, McDermott is better than Parker but I chalk that up to playing 4 years in his Dad's system more than any better acumen.
TP. My thoughts exactly.
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I think that it is worth it to judge everyone on their merits and ignore their race, but in doing that, you'll see that McDermott is not going to translate well. He is too old, which is also why I don't like Cleanthony Early or Adreian Payne. He is too slow to guard SGs and SFs, but too small to play the 4, which is also why I have concerns about Montrezel Harrell and about 95% of the players in last year's draft.
I think a big reason though is that there have been a slew of white guys who have come out of college after big seasons and then pooped the bed in the league. Humans inherently look for patterns in things and that one sticks out like a sore thumb. Almost all of those players have had huge flaws (mainly lack of quickness) and flamed out, so now everyone just assumes that white guys will continue to be overrated until they prove themselves otherwise. Also I should say "American white guys" too, because anyone from the Adriatic, Italian or Spanish league often get judged fairly or even hyped up like what happened with Rubio.
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tbh with you, beginning of the season, it would've been Parker/Wiggins/Embiid easily
but after this tourney, say if you have the first pick, how confident or nervous will you be to pick first? I mean yea I know people are saying don't look too much into one bad tourney game, but hey
Wiggins went for 4 pts - knows he is explosive, good defender, and very very athletic.
Embiid - knows he's a good rebounder, efficient scorer, and great defense, but injury problems
I say Parker is the safest pick
Outside of the top 3, who are your "safest picks"?
I always had Marcus Smart and Exum on my list of safe bets, but then Gordon is also very good
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Outside of the top 3, who are your "safest picks"?
Of guys regularly mentioned in the top 10 or so -- but not in the holy trinity at the top -- if I had to name the 3 with the lowest floor a.k.a. smallest "bust" potential, I'd probably go with:
1. Randle
2. Smart
3. Exum
Randle is a pure 4, and he'll be productive offensively and on the boards at the next level.
Smart has a shaky jumper and I haven't seen anything of Exum but highlights, yet I choose them as having the lowest "bust" potential simply because the NBA is very kind to quick, reasonably athletic, high-usage ball-handling guards who can attack the rim.
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tbh with you, beginning of the season, it would've been Parker/Wiggins/Embiid easily
but after this tourney, say if you have the first pick, how confident or nervous will you be to pick first? I mean yea I know people are saying don't look too much into one bad tourney game, but hey
Wiggins went for 4 pts - knows he is explosive, good defender, and very very athletic.
Embiid - knows he's a good rebounder, efficient scorer, and great defense, but injury problems
I say Parker is the safest pick
Outside of the top 3, who are your "safest picks"?
I always had Marcus Smart and Exum on my list of safe bets, but then Gordon is also very good
You have to remember, almost every college player is going to lose his last game. That's what happens in single-elimination tournaments. Furthermore, since NBA prospects are often one of their team's best players, it's likely they had a sub-par performance, which helped contribute to that loss. You can't ignore the game, obviously, because it's a data point, but it shouldn't be treated much differently than any other data point.
If Wiggins and Parker were draft eligible last June, they'd have been the first two players taken then. They've had very good freshman years of college -- I don't think the failure of a tournament game should really impact either.
If I were the Celtics, I'd be very excited to pick first. Personally I'd pick Wiggins -- I think his offensive ceiling isn't much different from Parker's, and he's such a better defender. While there is always stress about picking the wrong guy, I really wouldn't be concerned this year about the pick if I were going for one of those two. Wiggins and Parker's floors are solid NBA-rotation players. Will Wiggins be the best player in the draft? I'd take the field. Same goes with Parker, Randle, or any of them. But will Wiggins or Parker be very useful NBA players, with star potential? Yes.
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tbh with you, beginning of the season, it would've been Parker/Wiggins/Embiid easily
but after this tourney, say if you have the first pick, how confident or nervous will you be to pick first? I mean yea I know people are saying don't look too much into one bad tourney game, but hey
Wiggins went for 4 pts - knows he is explosive, good defender, and very very athletic.
Embiid - knows he's a good rebounder, efficient scorer, and great defense, but injury problems
I say Parker is the safest pick
Outside of the top 3, who are your "safest picks"?
I always had Marcus Smart and Exum on my list of safe bets, but then Gordon is also very good
I think the top 10 is safe in that they should all be at least 10 year quality role players on good teams. I would add Harris, McDermott. Everyone else really depends on their mental makeup and willingness to work and and play team ball.
I would only say Wiggins and Parker are safe picks to be all stars, even though i think a bunch in this draft will get there eventually.
If I had to give anyone bust potential in the top 10, i would pick Vonleh. Based on only 1 year it is hard to tell how hard he works on his game. He has shown he can get fundamentally lost on both ends. Having said that, i would grab him at 6. The upside is there. The rebounding is there.
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tbh with you, beginning of the season, it would've been Parker/Wiggins/Embiid easily
but after this tourney, say if you have the first pick, how confident or nervous will you be to pick first? I mean yea I know people are saying don't look too much into one bad tourney game, but hey
Wiggins went for 4 pts - knows he is explosive, good defender, and very very athletic.
Embiid - knows he's a good rebounder, efficient scorer, and great defense, but injury problems
I say Parker is the safest pick
Outside of the top 3, who are your "safest picks"?
I always had Marcus Smart and Exum on my list of safe bets, but then Gordon is also very good
I actually think that Smart & Randle are safer picks than Wiggins & Embiid.
It's just that the ceiling for Wiggins & Embiid is that much higher but I also feel there is a greater bust potential with them
I think Smart & Randle have games that will serve them well in the NBA and should lead to long productive careers. The ceilings might not be terribly high with either one of them compared to Wiggins/Embiid but I see Smart/Rande being around the NBA for a while.
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
Not a fan.
At all.
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1. Jabari Parker
2. Andrew Wiggins
3. Joel Embiid
4. Dante Exum
5. Marcus Smart
6. Julius Randle
7. Noah Vonleh
8. Tyler Ennis
9. T.J. Warren (Why isn't he projected to go higher? Am I missing something?)
10. Jusuf Nurkic
Mine is:
1- Exum
2- Embid
3- Wiggins
4- Parker
5- Gordon
6- McDermott
7- Early
8- Ennis
9- Smart
10- Randle
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
Not a fan.
At all.
Why? Not a fan of anderson or gordon?
Imo both will end up as steals. Gordon is just a consistent shot away and anderson a stronger body. Both are leaders and team first players
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
Not a fan.
At all.
Why? Not a fan of anderson or gordon?
Imo both will end up as steals. Gordon is just a consistent shot away and anderson a stronger body. Both are leaders and team first players
You're blowing up the nucleus of this Celtics squad and replacing it with 4 rookies. None which strike me as a franchise changer.
The only thing you're guaranteeing here is another trip to the lottery in '15 and a step or two backwards next season and possibly beyond.
You're too wrapped up in the allure of potential with these kids.
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You're too wrapped up in the allure of potential with these kids.
Noticed there is a vocal minority that all have this same problem.
Most of the 30 kids that will drafted in the first round this year will either not make it in the league or be nothing more than a bench entity with little impact in the league. Unlike most drafts a larger amount have the potential to be solid rotational players or better but history has shown even in deep drafts, most players taken in the first round become league busts or inconsequential players. I don't see this year being any different.
Trying to fill the Celtics with 18-21 year olds all in the same draft and thinking that team will be successful is just one of the best plans I have ever heard of to ensure the Celtics will be in the lottery for the next 5-6 years.
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You're too wrapped up in the allure of potential with these kids.
Noticed there is a vocal minority that all have this same problem.
It's pretty much part of being a big draft person - you get fixated on best-case scenarios. And it tends to be an appealing idea because potential success always comes a lot cheaper than actual success. It's a lot easier to get "the next Kevin Love/Carmelo/Westbrook" than the actual ones.
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Nick, FWF and Donoghus nailed it. TP's to all three of 'ya.
Although I would also add that, given the expected breakdown of the draft order that we know so far, #5 is too high for Gordon and #8 is too high for Anderson, especially if you're trading away the best player in the whole scenario that second draft pick.
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
Not a fan.
At all.
Why? Not a fan of anderson or gordon?
Imo both will end up as steals. Gordon is just a consistent shot away and anderson a stronger body. Both are leaders and team first players
The players you are picking to draft are nice. Adding 4 rookies who need playing time to an already very young team could create a mess like we see in the year after year cellar dwellers. Where would the veteran leadership come from?
Gerald Wallace and Brandon Bass aren't going to cut it. Both aren't talented enough to lead by example, and both could become bitter disruptive forces as they know they would be on the way out the door.
Also the celtics don't need to acquire any more picks for the purposes of drafting. As is, it will be a challenge to add 9 first rounders over 5 years to a team of 15, while expecting to be a playoff team during that time.
If anything, i expect Ainge to trade away some of those 9 picks, maybe starting this June.
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if we fall past 5 or 6, then i lean toward gordon.
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
Not a fan.
At all.
Why? Not a fan of anderson or gordon?
Imo both will end up as steals. Gordon is just a consistent shot away and anderson a stronger body. Both are leaders and team first players
You're blowing up the nucleus of this Celtics squad and replacing it with 4 rookies. None which strike me as a franchise changer.
The only thing you're guaranteeing here is another trip to the lottery in '15 and a step or two backwards next season and possibly beyond.
You're too wrapped up in the allure of potential with these kids.
why are you jumping the gun? I stated in a few seasons . And no we won't go backwards. It won't be any worse than it is now. Green = fail. AB = jury is out. Rondo is a weak player without a supporting all star cast
And i agree none are considered a franchise changer. However all have potential to be all star players (or near). Absolute worse case, your getting players with high end motors, high iq (team passing would be great) , skilled , shooting, plus defensive stoppers (Gordon, Johnson, Harris).
If these 4 guys were in one Ncaa team, they would destroy the competition.
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
1st of all, that team wouldn't win a game. Secondly, Kyle Anderson wouldn't even be a top 10 pick in last years awful draft. I dont understand why people like him so much. He can pass yes....but he isn't quick enough to go by anyone in the nba, therefore he won't draw defense to be able to get assists. I honestly think he will not play for very long in the league. His game doesn't translate at all. To add to that he cant guard any wing in the nba and he cant guard any big. He is an awful prospect... The type to get u fired, especially if picked in the lottery. I wouldn't touch him in the first round
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
Yuck.
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
Yuck.
Lol. Apparently he is building around Kelly Olynyk.
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I shouldn't be but i get pretty annoyed by how some players are so overrated:
Aaron Gordon-good, athletic role player, and defender but not gonna be able to do much on offense. No scoring skills at all. Can't play in the post or on the perimeter. Not worth a top 10 let alone top 5 pick
Kyle Anderson- my least favorite prospect by far. Has a slow, akward offense game and suspect jumper. Gonna be awful defensively. Jusf don't see what he will bring to the table for an nba team. Oooo he can pass
Doug McDermott- i like scorers and shooters but not a good athlete at all. Wouldn't mind him at all in the late teens but he might not be able to score in the league and he definitely can't guard any nba players
Cleanthony Early- watched several Wichita state games and he would be a decent option in the mid second... But a top 10 prospect?! That is absurd! He had one good game, relax people
Some of you may think im being negative but I'm not...I'm just being realistic. You shouldn't expect much from any of these guys
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I shouldn't be but i get pretty annoyed by how some players are so overrated:
Aaron Gordon-good, athletic role player, and defender but not gonna be able to do much on offense. No scoring skills at all. Can't play in the post or on the perimeter. Not worth a top 10 let alone top 5 pick
Kyle Anderson- my least favorite prospect by far. Has a slow, akward offense game and suspect jumper. Gonna be awful defensively. Jusf don't see what he will bring to the table for an nba team. Oooo he can pass
Doug McDermott- i like scorers and shooters but not a good athlete at all. Wouldn't mind him at all in the late teens but he might not be able to score in the league and he definitely can't guard any nba players
Cleanthony Early- watched several Wichita state games and he would be a decent option in the mid second... But a top 10 prospect?! That is absurd! He had one good game, relax people
Some of you may think im being negative but I'm not...I'm just being realistic. You shouldn't expect much from any of these guys
I agree with you on Gordon, Early and McDermott, but not Kyle Anderson who has been underrated in all the mocks until recently. Since December until now, he has been consistently in the 20-30 range.
He is 6'8 1/2', has a 9 foot standing reach and a 7'3" wingspan. He played consistently all year with 13 double-doubles, one triple-double and many games with stats in not just points, assists and rebounds but also steals and blocks.
Anderson has improved his jumper tremendously this year hitting almost 50% from 3 and 2 land. He averaged 15,9 and 7 for the Bruins and had a great Pac-12 having big games against Stanford with a 13, 8, 7, 3, 1 stat line and Arizona 21, 15, and 5, often playing against Gordon.
This kid can ball. He has tremendous feel for the game and sees plays before they happen. His court vision and anticipation are elite and he is a good ball handler and excellent passer.
Slo-Mo is used disparagingly by some people to knock his athleticism. Slo-Mo really explains how he slows the game down in his mind.
His versatility makes him a steal in the 20s and a great pick in the low teens. This guy has been underrated, not overrated.
(Now watch him go out and have a bad game against the smothering FLA D. I hope not.)
Gonna be a good game.
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What do you guys think of this plan
trade Rondo for Sac 8th and 2016 1st
trade Green for atl 1st and carroll
Draft picks
5th - Gordon
8th - Anderson
16th - Garry Harris
18th - Nick Johnson
Lineup
C- Sullinger, KO, Iverson
PF - Gordon, KO, Bass
SF- Anderson, Wallace, Chris Johnson
SG - Harris, Chris Johnson
PG - Nick Johnson, Pressey
A young team, but in a few years a dangerous team imo. High IQ, competitive, and unique since Anderson will be mainly doing the pg work at the sf spot. A very good defensive team also with Gordon, Harris, Johnson.
Not a fan.
At all.
Why? Not a fan of anderson or gordon?
Imo both will end up as steals. Gordon is just a consistent shot away and anderson a stronger body. Both are leaders and team first players
You're blowing up the nucleus of this Celtics squad and replacing it with 4 rookies. None which strike me as a franchise changer.
The only thing you're guaranteeing here is another trip to the lottery in '15 and a step or two backwards next season and possibly beyond.
You're too wrapped up in the allure of potential with these kids.
why are you jumping the gun? I stated in a few seasons . And no we won't go backwards. It won't be any worse than it is now. Green = fail. AB = jury is out. Rondo is a weak player without a supporting all star cast
And i agree none are considered a franchise changer. However all have potential to be all star players (or near). Absolute worse case, your getting players with high end motors, high iq (team passing would be great) , skilled , shooting, plus defensive stoppers (Gordon, Johnson, Harris).
If these 4 guys were in one Ncaa team, they would destroy the competition.
Well I would hope so since apparently you are expecting them to compete in the NBA. I have to agree that you are getting caught up in the allure of potential. It's a common thing this time of year. The reality is that no one knows whether any of these guys are going to pan out. That doesn't mean they don't have talent and physical gifts, just that there's a lot more required to make it in this league. They need discipline, need to handle a long season, away from family/spouses, need to eat right, work out in the gym constantly, and also need a good head on their shoulders, ability to pick up plays and learn tons of stuff, and lastly, a bit of luck (i.e., few injuries). That's a lot to ask in addition to the potential. Some guys just can't hack it, or don't hack it.
I would prefer to build around Rondo and Sully.
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I'm a huge Kyle Anderson fan. He's not having the greatest game tonight, but man this kid has such a great feel for the game and such control over it. My only worries about him are on the defensive end. His length is gonna get him some steals and blocks even in the NBA, but I don't like his conditioning, his lateral movement, or his close outs.
I'd say his floor is better Evan Turner. His passing is far superior to Turner's though. I hope he gets a chance to play the PG position in the NBA. The way he uses his size to score reminds me of Turner, except Anderson is a little taller with a little more length.
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1. Wiggins
2. Embiid
3. Parker
4. Exum
5. Randle
6. Smart
7. Gordon
8. Anderson
9. Warren
10. Hood
This isn't where I think they'll go, but they're my top ten players.
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I shouldn't be but i get pretty annoyed by how some players are so overrated:
Aaron Gordon-good, athletic role player, and defender but not gonna be able to do much on offense. No scoring skills at all. Can't play in the post or on the perimeter. Not worth a top 10 let alone top 5 pick
Kyle Anderson- my least favorite prospect by far. Has a slow, akward offense game and suspect jumper. Gonna be awful defensively. Jusf don't see what he will bring to the table for an nba team. Oooo he can pass
Doug McDermott- i like scorers and shooters but not a good athlete at all. Wouldn't mind him at all in the late teens but he might not be able to score in the league and he definitely can't guard any nba players
Cleanthony Early- watched several Wichita state games and he would be a decent option in the mid second... But a top 10 prospect?! That is absurd! He had one good game, relax people
Some of you may think im being negative but I'm not...I'm just being realistic. You shouldn't expect much from any of these guys
I agree with you on Gordon, Early and McDermott, but not Kyle Anderson who has been underrated in all the mocks until recently. Since December until now, he has been consistently in the 20-30 range.
He is 6'8 1/2', has a 9 foot standing reach and a 7'3" wingspan. He played consistently all year with 13 double-doubles, one triple-double and many games with stats in not just points, assists and rebounds but also steals and blocks.
Anderson has improved his jumper tremendously this year hitting almost 50% from 3 and 2 land. He averaged 15,9 and 7 for the Bruins and had a great Pac-12 having big games against Stanford with a 13, 8, 7, 3, 1 stat line and Arizona 21, 15, and 5, often playing against Gordon.
This kid can ball. He has tremendous feel for the game and sees plays before they happen. His court vision and anticipation are elite and he is a good ball handler and excellent passer.
Slo-Mo is used disparagingly by some people to knock his athleticism. Slo-Mo really explains how he slows the game down in his mind.
His versatility makes him a steal in the 20s and a great pick in the low teens. This guy has been underrated, not overrated.
(Now watch him go out and have a bad game against the smothering FLA D. I hope not.)
Gonna be a good game.
"Smothering" is the right word. Every time Anderson touched the ball, he had two, and sometimes three Gators all over him.
'Kinda reminds me of how defenses were smothering Pierce in the Fall of his last season as a Celtic (Doc wasn't using both Pierce and Green together on the floor much until the Spring).
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1. Wiggins
2. Embiid
3. Parker
4. Exum
5. Randle
6. Smart
7. Gordon
8. Anderson
9. Warren
10. Hood
This isn't where I think they'll go, but they're my top ten players.
1.Embiid
2. Wiggins
3. Parker
4. Randle
5. Exum
6. Gordon
7.Vonleh
8.Smart
9. Ennis
10. Hood
I would be pumped if the C's got any of the top 7 guys. Any of those guys would help this team immediately.....
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I shouldn't be but i get pretty annoyed by how some players are so overrated:
Aaron Gordon-good, athletic role player, and defender but not gonna be able to do much on offense. No scoring skills at all. Can't play in the post or on the perimeter. Not worth a top 10 let alone top 5 pick
Kyle Anderson- my least favorite prospect by far. Has a slow, akward offense game and suspect jumper. Gonna be awful defensively. Jusf don't see what he will bring to the table for an nba team. Oooo he can pass
Doug McDermott- i like scorers and shooters but not a good athlete at all. Wouldn't mind him at all in the late teens but he might not be able to score in the league and he definitely can't guard any nba players
Cleanthony Early- watched several Wichita state games and he would be a decent option in the mid second... But a top 10 prospect?! That is absurd! He had one good game, relax people
Some of you may think im being negative but I'm not...I'm just being realistic. You shouldn't expect much from any of these guys
I agree with you on Gordon, Early and McDermott, but not Kyle Anderson who has been underrated in all the mocks until recently. Since December until now, he has been consistently in the 20-30 range.
He is 6'8 1/2', has a 9 foot standing reach and a 7'3" wingspan. He played consistently all year with 13 double-doubles, one triple-double and many games with stats in not just points, assists and rebounds but also steals and blocks.
Anderson has improved his jumper tremendously this year hitting almost 50% from 3 and 2 land. He averaged 15,9 and 7 for the Bruins and had a great Pac-12 having big games against Stanford with a 13, 8, 7, 3, 1 stat line and Arizona 21, 15, and 5, often playing against Gordon.
This kid can ball. He has tremendous feel for the game and sees plays before they happen. His court vision and anticipation are elite and he is a good ball handler and excellent passer.
Slo-Mo is used disparagingly by some people to knock his athleticism. Slo-Mo really explains how he slows the game down in his mind.
His versatility makes him a steal in the 20s and a great pick in the low teens. This guy has been underrated, not overrated.
(Now watch him go out and have a bad game against the smothering FLA D. I hope not.)
Gonna be a good game.
"Smothering" is the right word. Every time Anderson touched the ball, he had two, and sometimes three Gators all over him.
'Kinda reminds me of how defenses were smothering Pierce in the Fall of his last season as a Celtic (Doc wasn't using both Pierce and Green together on the floor much until the Spring).
Good comparison to what PP experienced. TP.
Last night Anderson still managed 11/9/5/2 even with all that attention.
How valuable he is really showed when UCLA stagnated when he was on the bench with those fouls, especially for that critical stretch in the second half that decided the game.
That second foul they called on him in the lane, early in the game had about a full 3-4 second delay. Talk about a late call, early in the game impacting the result of the game.
Too bad, was rooting for him.
Maybe it's better they didn't advance. Less spotlight on him so maybe the GMs who are discounting him for his lack of athleticism will keep sleeping on him.
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Just an update on the top 10 question:
Based on 21 responses, here are some trends.
1. As expected Wiggins, Embiid and Parker are tough to pick between in the top 3. So far most like wiggins the most, followed closely by Embiid.
2. Exum is almost hands down the 4th pick option, followed by a near unanimous Randle at 5th.
3. Most are split between Smart and Vonleh for 6 and 7.
4. Then the results are wide. Aaron Gordon is the next most picked player even though many wouldn't take him in the top 10.
5. The 8th-10th pick is trending towards: Ennis, Anderson, Warren, Saric, Hood, Harris, McDermott and Nurkic in that order.
If anyone else has a top 10 list for this draft please reply.
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Just an update on the top 10 question:
Based on 21 responses, here are some trends.
1. As expected Wiggins, Embiid and Parker are tough to pick between in the top 3. So far most like wiggins the most, followed closely by Embiid.
2. Exum is almost hands down the 4th pick option, followed by a near unanimous Randle at 5th.
3. Most are split between Smart and Vonleh for 6 and 7.
4. Then the results are wide. Aaron Gordon is the next most picked player even though many wouldn't take him in the top 10.
5. The 8th-10th pick is trending towards: Ennis, Anderson, Warren, Saric, Hood, Harris, McDermott and Nurkic in that order.
If anyone else has a top 10 list for this draft please reply.
Do these results really surprise you Mr. O?
Most of these results also mirror the most reliable mock drafts that have been put out there. Therefore, these results are most likely since most people are most likely to just ape what they read elsewhere.
Heck I put Exum in my top ten and have never seen the kid play, so in reality he shouldn't be in my top 10. Heck my guess is the only full game anyone has seen Exum play is that Nike Summit game. Kind of difficult to come to a definitive conclusion on a player based on one game of game film yet he is a definitive #4 pick?
I would give more credence to these results if they were different than just about every mock draft I have seen around the internet.
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True that the averages on this thread are reflecting the averages of the mocks elsewhere. The top 5 are kind of boring to talk about at this stage. But the further we move down the draft the more unpredictable it becomes.
There is some interesting debate in the 6-8 range. The most surprising is just how wide spread the opinions on Aaron Gordon are. I also find it interesting that there are folks in this thread who like Anderson way more than the mock draft sites do.
And then after number 8 the names become very widespread. The next one of these I would like to do is a 10-20 list, while pulling the consensus top 9 off the board. Over the past few weeks there have been some very spirited debates on who we take around 18, and who will even be available there. I think another list may help with that debate.
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True that the averages on this thread are reflecting the averages of the mocks elsewhere. The top 5 are kind of boring to talk about at this stage. But the further we move down the draft the more unpredictable it becomes.
There is some interesting debate in the 6-8 range. The most surprising is just how wide spread the opinions on Aaron Gordon are. I also find it interesting that there are folks in this thread who like Anderson way more than the mock draft sites do.
And then after number 8 the names become very widespread. The next one of these I would like to do is a 10-20 list, while pulling the consensus top 9 off the board. Over the past few weeks there have been some very spirited debates on who we take around 18, and who will even be available there. I think another list may help with that debate.
Really like that idea. That I think would make an interesting thread. I think though that the selection of the 2nd first rounder the Celtics have will greatly depend on who they select with the first pick. I just do not see the Celtics taking a PF or a duplicate of the position the player plays who they select with the first pick.
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True that the averages on this thread are reflecting the averages of the mocks elsewhere. The top 5 are kind of boring to talk about at this stage. But the further we move down the draft the more unpredictable it becomes.
There is some interesting debate in the 6-8 range. The most surprising is just how wide spread the opinions on Aaron Gordon are. I also find it interesting that there are folks in this thread who like Anderson way more than the mock draft sites do.
And then after number 8 the names become very widespread. The next one of these I would like to do is a 10-20 list, while pulling the consensus top 9 off the board. Over the past few weeks there have been some very spirited debates on who we take around 18, and who will even be available there. I think another list may help with that debate.
Really like that idea. That I think would make an interesting thread. I think though that the selection of the 2nd first rounder the Celtics have will greatly depend on who they select with the first pick. I just do not see the Celtics taking a PF or a duplicate of the position the player plays who they select with the first pick.
I completely agree. The more refined debates on who the Celtics pick will really get going once we know the lottery order on May 20th.
These lists are more about starting with a player ranking regardless of who is picking and regardless of position.