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Title: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 28, 2014, 10:30:49 AM
All comments on picks, rules, etc. should be made here and not in the draft thread.

Link to draft thread:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=69943.0

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MAKING PICKS
- The times in the draft thread are when your pick is DUE, not when you are on the clock. Make your pick before that time, or you will be skipped by the following GMs.
- If you are going to miss your pick time, you can leave a list with a commissioner (AB_Celtic, BleedGreen1989, or KGs Knee) or another GM.
- Post your picks in the draft thread, and all other comments in the general commentary thread.

TRADES
- Trades must be sent by both parties to a commissioner via PM for processing.
- A commissioner has the right to veto overly-lopsided trades at his or her discretion.
- Trades can include already-drafted players and future picks, but each team must end up with 12 players at the end of the game. No 2-for-1 swaps.

DISCOURSE
- Be respectful of all GMs, commissioners, and spectators.
- Constructive criticism is good, but do not post anything along the lines of "that was a dumb pick."
- Do not discuss players who have not already been drafted.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 28, 2014, 10:33:02 AM
TP to AB for setting it all up!

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on February 28, 2014, 10:33:58 AM
interesting that the last pick in the franchise round gets the 1st pick in every subsequent round.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 28, 2014, 10:35:52 AM
interesting that the last pick in the franchise round gets the 1st pick in every subsequent round.

That's how it was done last year, and I think it's the best way to ensure parity in a very top-heavy NBA.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on February 28, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
Might have to move back to the second day of keepers draft due to exams. Anybody interested in the 6th team selection, let me know. Is that even legal?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 28, 2014, 11:16:48 AM
Might have to move back to the second day of keepers draft due to exams. Anybody interested in the 6th team selection, let me know. Is that even legal?

I don't think it is legal, but you can just give a list to AB or someone who'll be around - there are a few teams that'll almost certainly go before you, so it doesn't even have to be 6 teams long.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 28, 2014, 11:18:30 AM
Might have to move back to the second day of keepers draft due to exams. Anybody interested in the 6th team selection, let me know. Is that even legal?

I don't think it is legal, but you can just give a list to AB or someone who'll be around - there are a few teams that'll almost certainly go before you, so it doesn't even have to be 6 teams long.

Last year there was some discussion of swapping entire pick "sets" but I don't think anyone ever did it. I wouldn't be entirely opposed.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 28, 2014, 11:28:01 AM
Might have to move back to the second day of keepers draft due to exams. Anybody interested in the 6th team selection, let me know. Is that even legal?

I don't think it is legal, but you can just give a list to AB or someone who'll be around - there are a few teams that'll almost certainly go before you, so it doesn't even have to be 6 teams long.

Last year there was some discussion of swapping entire pick "sets" but I don't think anyone ever did it. I wouldn't be entirely opposed.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind that.

Or paying an additional later round pick to swap franchise picks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on February 28, 2014, 11:51:23 AM
interesting that the last pick in the franchise round gets the 1st pick in every subsequent round.

That's how it was done last year, and I think it's the best way to ensure parity in a very top-heavy NBA.
that's how it's been done every year.  The person getting Durant and Westbrook should be at the end.  this is coming from someone who has always gotten an early team selection and had to make late player selections (due to work issues).  looking forward to trying it from the other way around this time.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on February 28, 2014, 12:33:18 PM
A note on trades:

Trades must be sent by both parties via PM to AB_Celtic, BleedGreen1989, or KGs Knee for processing. Excessively lopsided trades may be blocked by a Commissioner at his or her discretion.

Please send trades in this format:
Quote
Team A sends: Player A, Player B
Team B sends: Player C, Player D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on February 28, 2014, 12:53:24 PM
I will veto any trade that does not personally net me a superstar...

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(Just kidding)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 01, 2014, 01:39:16 PM
If anyone wants to discuss rules, now would be the time to do it.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 02, 2014, 12:54:00 PM
Just awaiting taking a team with the 10th pick that should have gone much higher.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2014, 12:56:49 PM
Just awaiting taking a team with the 10th pick that should have gone much higher.

Its the best place to be picking. Plus, you don't have that hollow, "I've been handed a superhero team and I have zero challenge for the rest of this thing" feeling you get with a Thunder or Heat pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 02, 2014, 02:37:35 PM
Just awaiting taking a team with the 10th pick that should have gone much higher.

Its the best place to be picking. Plus, you don't have that hollow, "I've been handed a superhero team and I have zero challenge for the rest of this thing" feeling you get with a Thunder or Heat pick.
I was thinking it might be cool to have one of the last franchise picks knowing that you get the cream of the crop of players left knowing that there will be ten teams left over to filch the best players from those teams that didn't get to protect two players.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: wdleehi on March 02, 2014, 02:41:00 PM
Just awaiting taking a team with the 10th pick that should have gone much higher.

Its the best place to be picking. Plus, you don't have that hollow, "I've been handed a superhero team and I have zero challenge for the rest of this thing" feeling you get with a Thunder or Heat pick.
I was thinking it might be cool to have one of the last franchise picks knowing that you get the cream of the crop of players left knowing that there will be ten teams left over to filch the best players from those teams that didn't get to protect two players.

Every once and awhile, someone gets to pick a team like the Spurs with the second to last pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 02, 2014, 02:49:59 PM
If done right, the last pick in the franchise round (+ a stud in the first round) could lead to one of the best teams.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: indeedproceed on March 02, 2014, 02:51:55 PM
Just awaiting taking a team with the 10th pick that should have gone much higher.

Its the best place to be picking. Plus, you don't have that hollow, "I've been handed a superhero team and I have zero challenge for the rest of this thing" feeling you get with a Thunder or Heat pick.
I was thinking it might be cool to have one of the last franchise picks knowing that you get the cream of the crop of players left knowing that there will be ten teams left over to filch the best players from those teams that didn't get to protect two players.

With 20 teams, I think its a good strategy. Problem is..I think there are what..3 teams with "can't miss" 3rd guys? OKC, MIA, Deng's in Cleveland now so Chicago is out, its a pretty short list. Unless someone opts for a binkie over an established player, the 3rd guy strategy is a pretty thin pool. Used to have SAS, Boston (now Brooklyn), Chicago, OKC, Miami, now the 3rd best player on 3 of those teams is a guy so far past his prime..
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 02, 2014, 05:06:53 PM
A reminder that if you're unable to make your pick tomorrow, you can leave a list with me via PM. If you have the X'th pick, be sure to make your list X teams long, and include your two keepers for each team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Celtics4ever on March 02, 2014, 05:13:09 PM
I am liking Cauley Stein if we got a mid range first round pick because I think he could cover Sully's weak areas.  He has shot blocking, length and defensive range and can run.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 02, 2014, 05:19:25 PM
I am liking Cauley Stein if we got a mid range first round pick because I think he could cover Sully's weak areas.  He has shot blocking, length and defensive range and can run.
You post in the right topic?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 02, 2014, 09:40:20 PM
just to clarify, the times posted in the pick list are the DUE times, correct?  not when we're on the clock--correct?

also, even though a list of players was provided (thanks by the way), we could choose to pick someone playing elsewhere, correct?

just a couple of clarifications for everyone.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 02, 2014, 10:02:42 PM
just to clarify, the times posted in the pick list are the DUE times, correct?  not when we're on the clock--correct?

also, even though a list of players was provided (thanks by the way), we could choose to pick someone playing elsewhere, correct?

just a couple of clarifications for everyone.

Yes, that's right about the pick times. If you're late, you might get lucky and the GM after you will wait until his deadline to make his pick, but if your pick is due at 12:00, the GM after you is completely in his rights to pick at 12:00:01.

I think the list should be exhaustive, as I compiled it from (1) current NBA rosters, (2) a webpage including most free agents who have played in the NBA within the last five years, and (3) a list of rights owned by NBA teams. If there's someone missing please PM me and if it's a legitimate addition I'll put him on the list. Better safe than sorry; you don't want to pick a guy and have him not be eligible and have to re-pick after other GMs took your second choice.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 02, 2014, 10:02:43 PM
Are we trying to build the best team for the future? Or are we basing teams on fantasy points and this years statistics? Take injuries into account etc.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 02, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
Are we trying to build the best team for the future? Or are we basing teams on fantasy points and this years statistics? Take injuries into account etc.

That's entirely up to you. You can treat it as a one-year exercise and "go for the title," or build for the future with young guys. Injuries in the past have been a grey area, but generally you're docked a little if one of your key pieces is hurt or is an injury risk. Again, though, this is all for fun, so as long as you're okay taking a hurt player, that should be all that matters.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 02, 2014, 10:27:38 PM
I treat it like CB draft except picking two players to keep.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 02, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Are we trying to build the best team for the future? Or are we basing teams on fantasy points and this years statistics? Take injuries into account etc.

That's entirely up to you. You can treat it as a one-year exercise and "go for the title," or build for the future with young guys. Injuries in the past have been a grey area, but generally you're docked a little if one of your key pieces is hurt or is an injury risk. Again, though, this is all for fun, so as long as you're okay taking a hurt player, that should be all that matters.

Agreed, though we judge based on actual basketball, not on fantasy points.  While they often correlate, they do not do so exactly.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 02, 2014, 11:42:07 PM
Are we trying to build the best team for the future? Or are we basing teams on fantasy points and this years statistics? Take injuries into account etc.

That's entirely up to you. You can treat it as a one-year exercise and "go for the title," or build for the future with young guys. Injuries in the past have been a grey area, but generally you're docked a little if one of your key pieces is hurt or is an injury risk. Again, though, this is all for fun, so as long as you're okay taking a hurt player, that should be all that matters.

Agreed, though we judge based on actual basketball, not on fantasy points.  While they often correlate, they do not do so exactly.

Excellent. Thanks folks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 09:23:55 AM
37 minutes until celticpride07 selects the Miami Heat and kicks this thing off.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 03, 2014, 09:40:51 AM
I like my pick spot even though I will get a lesser franchise. I like having a much better selection in the third round, fourth round, etc.  I think I should be able to get a pretty solid team that way. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Enzzo on March 03, 2014, 09:43:40 AM
How exactly do we know the standings? Are we using some outside site to track wins/losses?

Sorry, this is all new to me, but I'm excited.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 03, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
Just to clarify cause I always get this wrong - is the "draft time" the DEADLINE to make your pick, or the start of your pick window?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 03, 2014, 10:18:37 AM
Just to clarify cause I always get this wrong - is the "draft time" the DEADLINE to make your pick, or the start of your pick window?

It's the DEADLINE. celticpride07 is late as of right now. I have Merovich's list and will hold off until 10:30 to make his selection. If cp07 doesn't pick before then, I will likely autopick for him to preserve the league.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 03, 2014, 10:32:23 AM
Autopick

celticpride07 selects the Miami Heat
Keepers: Lebron James, Chris Bosh

I don't like starting off this way, but if cp07 isn't going to be around all day and his pick is going to keep getting skipped, he (or some other GM) is going to be stuck with a crummy team.

celticpride07 has until the end of the day to post here, or I'll begin searching for a replacement.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 10:35:59 AM
Autopick

celticpride07 selects the Miami Heat
Keepers: Lebron James, Chris Bosh

I don't like starting off this way, but if cp07 isn't going to be around all day and his pick is going to keep getting skipped, he (or some other GM) is going to be stuck with a crummy team.

celticpride07 has until the end of the day to post here, or I'll begin searching for a replacement.

Yeah, generally I'm against auto-picking but in a format like this you kind of have to.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: indeedproceed on March 03, 2014, 10:37:05 AM
Heavy is the head that wears the crown, brah.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 03, 2014, 10:45:28 AM
Well, the third pick sucks cause you just miss out on LBJ and KD, but at least I can nab my hometown team that does not feature the purple and gold.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 03, 2014, 10:50:42 AM
I like my pick spot even though I will get a lesser franchise. I like having a much better selection in the third round, fourth round, etc.  I think I should be able to get a pretty solid team that way.
That's what I'm looking forward to this year.  I've usually had a top pick for a team but had a lousy draft position at the end of each round and seeing each of my preferred players getting snatched up before I could pick.  I want to see how the other half lives this time around.  should be a good year to do it to with 10 full teams not having their best players already taken out of the mix
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 03, 2014, 11:03:22 AM
Lots of ways I could have gone with that 4th pick, but when there's an MVP candidate on the table, you gotta take him.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 11:07:38 AM
Lots of ways I could have gone with that 4th pick, but when there's an MVP candidate on the table, you gotta take him.

I dig it.

Still a bunch of good pairs.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 03, 2014, 11:13:13 AM
Top 5 went as expected.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 03, 2014, 11:19:38 AM
Top 5 went as expected.

Yup. 4 of my teams got picked out of the 5...Back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 03, 2014, 11:20:55 AM
Top 5 went as expected.
yup, pretty much.  no surprises there.

I think the next couple are pretty sure things but should get real interesting starting around the 10th team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 03, 2014, 11:26:14 AM
Well, everything went expected except for that little thing like the autopick being used on the very first pick of the draft.

That kind sucks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 03, 2014, 11:35:02 AM
Top 5 went as expected.
yup, pretty much.  no surprises there.

I think the next couple are pretty sure things but should get real interesting starting around the 10th team.
No surprise coming on the 10th pick. I'll just take the best players available...team that is.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 03, 2014, 11:39:26 AM
It is hard to try and guess what teams will be out there for me at 18.  I do think I should make out pretty solid and then with so many options in the following round, I think I will have a pretty solid team.  I just have to figure out if I'm going for the title this year or building a future dynasty.  Probably depend a bit on who is available for the franchise.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 03, 2014, 11:42:45 AM
It is hard to try and guess what teams will be out there for me at 18.  I do think I should make out pretty solid and then with so many options in the following round, I think I will have a pretty solid team.  I just have to figure out if I'm going for the title this year or building a future dynasty.  Probably depend a bit on who is available for the franchise.

Im going for contention this year AND dynasty for the future.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 03, 2014, 11:49:37 AM
Well if you guys are going to contend you are going to have to make trades so keep my PM on speed dial. Always willing to rip off....I mean, help....yeah I meant help.....another GM attain their goals.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 03, 2014, 12:01:32 PM
Got a feeling Young Nick is going to miss his pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: airbelinelli on March 03, 2014, 12:06:06 PM
Got one of the best point guards in the NBA, and a do everything lock down defender. Not a bad start I'd say.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 03, 2014, 12:37:21 PM
Top 5 went as expected.
yup, pretty much.  no surprises there.

I think the next couple are pretty sure things but should get real interesting starting around the 10th team.
No surprise coming on the 10th pick. I'll just take the best players available...team that is.
you always manage to pull off a surprise or two Nick.  you're one of the better GMs each season.  There's a reason why the #1 rule of the Pick 2 draft is "Don't trade with Nick unless you feel like getting taken"   ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 03, 2014, 12:40:09 PM
Got a feeling Young Nick is going to miss his pick.

He'll make it. He messaged me earlier.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 03, 2014, 12:50:36 PM
Top 5 went as expected.
yup, pretty much.  no surprises there.

I think the next couple are pretty sure things but should get real interesting starting around the 10th team.
No surprise coming on the 10th pick. I'll just take the best players available...team that is.
you always manage to pull off a surprise or two Nick.  you're one of the better GMs each season.  There's a reason why the #1 rule of the Pick 2 draft is "Don't trade with Nick unless you feel like getting taken"   ;)
I take no credit for my ability to GM...its all in my spreadsheet...it does all the work for me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 03, 2014, 01:08:24 PM
KGs Knee made this Excel sheet to keep track of rosters as the game progresses. Send some TPs his way.

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=939A5BC288B56D79!309&app=Excel&wdo=2&authkey=!AAbhrX0WcLEd5yU
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
Top 5 went as expected.
yup, pretty much.  no surprises there.

I think the next couple are pretty sure things but should get real interesting starting around the 10th team.
No surprise coming on the 10th pick. I'll just take the best players available...team that is.
you always manage to pull off a surprise or two Nick.  you're one of the better GMs each season.  There's a reason why the #1 rule of the Pick 2 draft is "Don't trade with Nick unless you feel like getting taken"   ;)
I take no credit for my ability to GM...its all in my spreadsheet...it does all the work for me.

(http://s30.postimg.org/rsxqiev5d/image.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 03, 2014, 01:13:43 PM
Young Nick is gonna wait until the very end to make his pick...isn't he.

Sounds like Young Nick could be my son, he's was always making me wait around for stuff to get done.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 01:18:37 PM
Wow Young Nick is a big crap face.

Was hoping people would overlook the Conely/Gasol duo and opt for more flashy names.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 03, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Wow Young Nick is a big crap face.

Was hoping people would overlook the Conely/Gasol duo and opt for more flashy names.

People do. Look at the DKC standings.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
Wow Young Nick is a big crap face.

Was hoping people would overlook the Conely/Gasol duo and opt for more flashy names.

People do. Look at the DKC standings.

And we're not even half way through the first round and our first DKC mention ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 03, 2014, 01:25:03 PM
And we're not even half way through the first round and our first DKC mention ;)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/791795e48174543944efdf7459a21102/tumblr_mk8vseH8OU1qc9n6mo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 03, 2014, 01:27:34 PM
It is hard to try and guess what teams will be out there for me at 18.  I do think I should make out pretty solid and then with so many options in the following round, I think I will have a pretty solid team.  I just have to figure out if I'm going for the title this year or building a future dynasty.  Probably depend a bit on who is available for the franchise.

Im going for contention this year AND dynasty for the future.
Aldridge and Lillard is definitely a good start, but what you do in the latter rounds truly dictates your motives as everyone should have some pretty solid 1-5 for both the future and now. 

My problem is picking 18th is I miss out on pretty much all of the All-NBA guys so I have to go the Detroit Pistons method of team construction if I am going to win a title this season, so I may be better suited for the future dynasty approach.  I do have a couple of ideas that I am hoping works for me on that run.  Of course maybe some win now type guys slip to me and I can do both.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 01:34:58 PM
And we're not even half way through the first round and our first DKC mention ;)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/791795e48174543944efdf7459a21102/tumblr_mk8vseH8OU1qc9n6mo1_500.jpg)

That actually makes me mildly uncomfortable
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 03, 2014, 01:36:26 PM
Rerouting this conversation here:

Sorry for not making my pick I'm  at work good thing for auto pick
gotta send a list on these things.

And that wraps up the drafting for today. We'll resume in the morning. For now, I'm locking the draft thread.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 01:37:12 PM
Ughhh and Nick ends the day by stealing my pick.

Cool. Whatever. I don't care...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 03, 2014, 01:40:21 PM
It is hard to try and guess what teams will be out there for me at 18.  I do think I should make out pretty solid and then with so many options in the following round, I think I will have a pretty solid team.  I just have to figure out if I'm going for the title this year or building a future dynasty.  Probably depend a bit on who is available for the franchise.

Im going for contention this year AND dynasty for the future.
Aldridge and Lillard is definitely a good start, but what you do in the latter rounds truly dictates your motives as everyone should have some pretty solid 1-5 for both the future and now. 

My problem is picking 18th is I miss out on pretty much all of the All-NBA guys so I have to go the Detroit Pistons method of team construction if I am going to win a title this season, so I may be better suited for the future dynasty approach.  I do have a couple of ideas that I am hoping works for me on that run.  Of course maybe some win now type guys slip to me and I can do both.

Yeah its definitely hard picking in that slot. You dont get the all nba guys that teams build there championship runs around. You'll have a well balanced, lot of talent team, but no one star that can take over the games when they need a win. Might be able to package a couple overall talent guys for a number one however. Never know how these things will shake out.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 03, 2014, 01:40:42 PM
Hey AB, just noticed that I'm locked out of the Draft thread--read only.  not that I have anything to post but I just want to verify this is something that can be cleared up by tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 03, 2014, 01:41:33 PM
Ughhh and Nick ends the day by stealing my pick.

Cool. Whatever. I don't care...

Thought about taking them at 6 just due to Anthony Davis... Couldnt justify the second keeper more than Portland however.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 03, 2014, 01:42:43 PM
Hey AB, just noticed that I'm locked out of the Draft thread--read only.  not that I have anything to post but I just want to verify this is something that can be cleared up by tomorrow.

I'm locking it during off-hours. Trying to keep it so that the only posts in there are selections. It'll be unlocked again tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 03, 2014, 01:45:26 PM
It is hard to try and guess what teams will be out there for me at 18.  I do think I should make out pretty solid and then with so many options in the following round, I think I will have a pretty solid team.  I just have to figure out if I'm going for the title this year or building a future dynasty.  Probably depend a bit on who is available for the franchise.

Im going for contention this year AND dynasty for the future.
Aldridge and Lillard is definitely a good start, but what you do in the latter rounds truly dictates your motives as everyone should have some pretty solid 1-5 for both the future and now. 

My problem is picking 18th is I miss out on pretty much all of the All-NBA guys so I have to go the Detroit Pistons method of team construction if I am going to win a title this season, so I may be better suited for the future dynasty approach.  I do have a couple of ideas that I am hoping works for me on that run.  Of course maybe some win now type guys slip to me and I can do both.

Yeah its definitely hard picking in that slot. You dont get the all nba guys that teams build there championship runs around. You'll have a well balanced, lot of talent team, but no one star that can take over the games when they need a win. Might be able to package a couple overall talent guys for a number one however. Never know how these things will shake out.
it's not as bad as one might think, especially this year.  I'm 19th and thinking I'm in a prime spot.  There's easily 10 teams left that have at least 1 stud player to build with if not 2.  not to mention having the 2nd pick each round (barring trades) with an extra 10 teams to pick from is pretty sweet. 
the only downfall is that those extra 10 teams help the players with a top team get a good player this year.  normally another 20 top players would be off the board for them as well as picking 10 slots later so 30 top players, in all, would be off the boards for their picks normally.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 03, 2014, 01:46:40 PM
Hey AB, just noticed that I'm locked out of the Draft thread--read only.  not that I have anything to post but I just want to verify this is something that can be cleared up by tomorrow.

I'm locking it during off-hours. Trying to keep it so that the only posts in there are selections. It'll be unlocked again tomorrow morning.
thanks - just wanted to check.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 03, 2014, 01:49:54 PM
I think Davis is right now, a top 10 player in this league. I couldn't pass up on a top 10 player, regardless of who the other player would be. Sometimes in these games, you just can't trade for a talent of Davis' ability without sacrificing two other great players or very good draft position, so he was the pick more than the team or the second player.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 01:57:15 PM
I think Davis is right now, a top 10 player in this league. I couldn't pass up on a top 10 player, regardless of who the other player would be. Sometimes in these games, you just can't trade for a talent of Davis' ability without sacrificing two other great players or very good draft position, so he was the pick more than the team or the second player.

Can't argue with that.

If you hadn't taken him, I would of.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 03, 2014, 02:17:21 PM
I think Davis is right now, a top 10 player in this league. I couldn't pass up on a top 10 player, regardless of who the other player would be. Sometimes in these games, you just can't trade for a talent of Davis' ability without sacrificing two other great players or very good draft position, so he was the pick more than the team or the second player.

Can't argue with that.

If you hadn't taken him, I would of.
great team to snag at #10.  surprised they didn't go sooner.  had them higher than SAS particularly for Davis although I may have kept Holiday over Gordon
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 03, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
I think Davis is right now, a top 10 player in this league. I couldn't pass up on a top 10 player, regardless of who the other player would be. Sometimes in these games, you just can't trade for a talent of Davis' ability without sacrificing two other great players or very good draft position, so he was the pick more than the team or the second player.

Can't argue with that.

If you hadn't taken him, I would of.
great team to snag at #10.  surprised they didn't go sooner.  had them higher than SAS particularly for Davis although I may have kept Holiday over Gordon
Trade value...Holiday may have been the pick if he wasn't injured for the year. Gordon is healthy and with no salaries, he will be easier to move for more value than a hurt Holiday ever would have been.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 03, 2014, 02:34:17 PM
I think Davis is right now, a top 10 player in this league. I couldn't pass up on a top 10 player, regardless of who the other player would be. Sometimes in these games, you just can't trade for a talent of Davis' ability without sacrificing two other great players or very good draft position, so he was the pick more than the team or the second player.

Can't argue with that.

If you hadn't taken him, I would of.
great team to snag at #10.  surprised they didn't go sooner.  had them higher than SAS particularly for Davis although I may have kept Holiday over Gordon

Also can't argue with that. I too would have taken Holiday just due to the injury concerns I have with Gordon and the fact that I just don't really like his game.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 03, 2014, 02:47:48 PM
So... let's talk trades. I've been having trade withdrawals since the DKC trade deadline.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 03, 2014, 03:00:05 PM
In general, let's try to refrain from talking about players who haven't been drafted yet!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 03, 2014, 03:01:36 PM
So... let's talk trades. I've been having trade withdrawals since the DKC trade deadline.

Haha you and me both!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 03, 2014, 03:10:33 PM
In general, let's try to refrain from talking about players who haven't been drafted yet!

Yeah, this is a pretty well-established 'rule' that really is for the best.  No reason to allow for any potential 'influencing' of GM's draft strategies.  That could  get messy quick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 03, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
In general, let's try to refrain from talking about players who haven't been drafted yet!

Yeah, this is a pretty well-established 'rule' that really is for the best.  No reason to allow for any potential 'influencing' of GM's draft strategies.  That could  get messy quick.

You guys know I'm drafting Phil Pressey. No need to beat around the bush...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 03, 2014, 03:17:51 PM
Nick stole my team.

Pretty slick. Awesome pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 03, 2014, 03:19:19 PM
Put some preliminary rules in the first post of this thread. Will update as more become evident.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 03, 2014, 03:21:17 PM
By the way, where are all the trades?

Boring  :-X
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Young Nick on March 03, 2014, 03:24:47 PM
Wow Young Nick is a big crap face.

Was hoping people would overlook the Conely/Gasol duo and opt for more flashy names.

That's why they call me Crapface McGee.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 03, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
By the way, where are all the trades?

Boring  :-X

Call me crazy but I kinda want to know who my keepers are before I start cutting deals. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 03, 2014, 03:31:07 PM
By the way, where are all the trades?

Boring  :-X

Call me crazy but I kinda want to know who my keepers are before I start cutting deals.

Wow... seriously?  >:(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 03, 2014, 03:32:31 PM
By the way, where are all the trades?

Boring  :-X

Call me crazy but I kinda want to know who my keepers are before I start cutting deals.

Wow... seriously?  >:(

I'll give you my second-best keeper and 2nd rounder for Harden.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 03, 2014, 03:32:33 PM
By the way, where are all the trades?

Boring  :-X

Call me crazy but I kinda want to know who my keepers are before I start cutting deals.

You're crazy  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 03, 2014, 03:34:36 PM
I'm always down to deal.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 03, 2014, 04:42:19 PM
Eric Gordon officially on the block. I will even trade him to teams that do not have a team or keepers yet.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 09:34:48 AM
Nick, I may be interested in Gordon.  Depends on what franchise I get.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 09:35:38 AM
Love and Rubio, excellent selections to start the day.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Enzzo on March 04, 2014, 09:41:36 AM
Love and Rubio, excellent selections to start the day.

 ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2014, 09:42:43 AM
Love and Rubio, excellent selections to start the day.

 ;D

That was my pick last year and I foolishly blew it up.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2014, 09:49:15 AM
Evan's online. Maybe we can get off to a fast start this morning

Edit: Woop Woop
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2014, 09:54:03 AM
Who's George Monroe? ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 04, 2014, 10:00:33 AM
Who's George Monroe? ;)

He's a little old, and I think the Celtics technically have his rights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Munroe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Munroe)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 04, 2014, 10:02:40 AM
Who's George Monroe? ;)

He's a little old, and I think the Celtics technically have his rights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Munroe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Munroe)
My brain is apparently not working this morning.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 04, 2014, 10:11:35 AM
Love and Rubio, excellent selections to start the day.

That was the team I was hoping for, but not the keepers.  Seems like the shine's come off Rubio these days. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 04, 2014, 10:27:23 AM
Love and Rubio, excellent selections to start the day.

That was the team I was hoping for, but not the keepers.  Seems like the shine's come off Rubio these days.
was thinking the same thing.  teams left are getting to the point of picking one keeper and one piece of tradebait
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 04, 2014, 10:28:48 AM
Like the Drummond Monore pick, and I have confidence that Evan will surround them with a much better squad than Dumars has.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Enzzo on March 04, 2014, 10:30:18 AM
Love and Rubio, excellent selections to start the day.

That was the team I was hoping for, but not the keepers.  Seems like the shine's come off Rubio these days.
was thinking the same thing.  teams left are getting to the point of picking one keeper and one piece of tradebait

He's definitley declined after his surgery, but he's still a solid PG. I personally like him more than anyone else on the team (Love aside).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 04, 2014, 10:33:15 AM
Edit
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 04, 2014, 10:40:09 AM
Breadstein selects the Knicks
And I'll keep Anthony and Chandler

In a league where salaries don't matter, I think grabbing a top-10 player and a solid defensive and rebounding C this late in the round is a steal.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Enzzo on March 04, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
Breadstein selects the Knicks
And I'll keep Anthony and Chandler

In a league where salaries don't matter, I think grabbing a top-10 player and a solid defensive and rebounding C this late in the round is a steal.

Agreed, that's a solid pick. Hopefully they can run it better than Dolan, won't be too hard.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 04, 2014, 10:46:19 AM
Breadstein selects the Knicks
And I'll keep Anthony and Chandler

In a league where salaries don't matter, I think grabbing a top-10 player and a solid defensive and rebounding C this late in the round is a steal.

That was my group in last year's Pick 2.  It's a great foundation to build around.  And very, very easy to get a squad that looks better than this year's Knicks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Who on March 04, 2014, 10:49:02 AM
Breadstein selects the Knicks
And I'll keep Anthony and Chandler

In a league where salaries don't matter, I think grabbing a top-10 player and a solid defensive and rebounding C this late in the round is a steal.
Yep, me too. I had them in my top ten. Actually, the Knicks were my second choice at pick #7.

Melo and Tyson are a very good combo to build around. A top go-to scorer and a top defensive anchor. Gives you a good foundation to build with on both ends of the court. Both non-PGs (league's deepest position). Lots of flexibility.

The Knicks supporting cast has hurt them so much this season. The big Italian has been awful. Their starting PG and 6th man have been killing them. Their old star big man hasn't helped. So many non-contributors to net negatives in that supporting cast. The CB Pick II Draft is a great draft to fix bad supporting casts because you keep your stars and dump the rest. Allows NYK to fix it's problems and build a very strong team.

I think NYC has a top three combo in the East.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 04, 2014, 11:01:23 AM
really good pick this late in the draft!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 04, 2014, 11:05:43 AM
Oh man, I just wokr up...

Its my pick right?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 11:07:39 AM
Oh man, I just wokr up...

Its my pick right?
It would appear that way as foul picked Boston.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 11:10:14 AM
Some interesting teams still on the board
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 04, 2014, 11:10:39 AM
Taking offers on Harden and Howard.

Too early?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 04, 2014, 11:12:42 AM
Nice pick, love the backcourt combo. Add a quality big (which should be easy) and you'll have no trouble
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Who on March 04, 2014, 11:13:51 AM
Phoenix is an exciting pick. Looking forward to seeing what Yoki does there.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 11:14:48 AM
Phoenix is interesting at this point.  Maybe a bit too backcourt heavy for me, but Dragic and Bledsoe can definitely put the ball in the hoop.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 04, 2014, 11:21:46 AM
Phoenix is interesting at this point.  Maybe a bit too backcourt heavy for me, but Dragic and Bledsoe can definitely put the ball in the hoop.

Agreed.

Which is why Eric Bledsoe is on the block.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 04, 2014, 11:32:53 AM
Taking offers on Harden and Howard.

Too early?

I'll take offers on Lillard or Aldridge (even though I'm happy with keeping them).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 11:37:12 AM
Rose and Noah, definitely were in consideration at my pick.  I was really just struggling with Rose always being hurt.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 04, 2014, 11:39:34 AM
Rose and Noah, definitely were in consideration at my pick.  I was really just struggling with Rose always being hurt.

Yeah I thought of both the Knicks and Bulls at 6 as well but Rose's injury swayed me away. Good picks this late in the draft.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 11:40:52 AM
Rose and Noah, definitely were in consideration at my pick.  I was really just struggling with Rose always being hurt.

Yeah I thought of both the Knicks and Bulls at 6 as well but Rose's injury swayed me away. Good picks this late in the draft.
Just JBcat left before my pick.  I still have no idea what I'm going to do.  I am definitely leaning one way, which means that is who JBcat is going to take, but my mind could certainly change.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 11:55:56 AM
Happy to have Cousins.  Struggled a bit with whether or not I felt I got enough value from the second pick (and who that should be), but then I realized that Sacramento and Houston were the only teams with two players in the top 20 in PER this year, so I really couldn't pass that up and my decision was made with Cousins and Thomas (Cousins is 6th in PER, Thomas is 20th).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 04, 2014, 11:56:42 AM
Shocked one team hasn't been selected yet.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 11:57:38 AM
Shocked one team hasn't been selected yet.
I was wavering between three teams.  Ultimately I just couldn't pass up Cousins, but it was a struggle with the other two, and I'm sure the team you are thinking of is one of them.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2014, 12:00:16 PM
WAS was my pick if not Chicago
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 04, 2014, 12:37:20 PM
A lot of good picks so far.  normally I'd be thrilled with Cle with Kyrie and AV but with AV's injuries, I'll settle with Deng as a keeper.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Who on March 04, 2014, 12:56:16 PM
Wow, that last pick is looking really good with the #1 selection. Title contender.

Edit: Hmm, surprised Dallas didn't get taken. Or even Brooklyn.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 04, 2014, 12:57:48 PM
Is there a clear cut number one pick like previous years?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Enzzo on March 04, 2014, 12:58:57 PM
Is there a clear cut number one pick like previous years?

Don't know about a clear cut winner, but the Knicks pick was pretty great as there are no salaries to worry about.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 04, 2014, 01:00:40 PM
Wow, that last pick is looking really good with the #1 selection. Title contender.

Edit: Hmm, surprised Dallas didn't get taken. Or even Brooklyn.
Dallas did come to my mind, but Derozan has been destroying it
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
I had three players pegged that I wanted after my pick and all three are still there so I really like my position.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 01:11:11 PM
Wow, that last pick is looking really good with the #1 selection. Title contender.

Edit: Hmm, surprised Dallas didn't get taken. Or even Brooklyn.
quite a few solid teams left, which means the guys who picked yesterday are getting some very strong players.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 01:12:08 PM
Is there a clear cut number one pick like previous years?
no
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2014, 01:17:35 PM
Eyeing a handful of guys with my first pick tomorrow.

Very happy to get a former MVP in Rose and a possible DPOY player in Noah.

Should be a fun duo to build around.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 04, 2014, 03:40:46 PM
Most of these picks are really good, and I only disagree with a few. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2014, 03:44:03 PM
I think the only real surprise I've seen so far was Ricky Rubio being selected as a keeper for Minny.  Would have went with Pekovic there myself.

Rubio has been statistically one of the worst PG's in the entire NBA this year.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 04, 2014, 04:05:23 PM
Rubio has been statistically one of the worst PG's in the entire NBA this year.
That seems a bit harsh for the guy with the most steals in the league and the third most assists.  He is a way above average rebounder from the position at 4.5 a game. He is also 34.7% from three point range and 81.4% from the line.  He has been awful from 2 point range though.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2014, 04:27:48 PM
Rubio has been statistically one of the worst PG's in the entire NBA this year.
That seems a bit harsh for the guy with the most steals in the league and the third most assists.  He is a way above average rebounder from the position at 4.5 a game. He is also 34.7% from three point range and 81.4% from the line.  He has been awful from 2 point range though.

I don't think Rubio is a terrible player by any means and I should have said "starting PG".  Obviously there are any number of backup PG's far worse.

That said, offensively, a PER of 15 and averages of 8.8 PPG on 36% FG is pretty bad for a starting PG. He only attempts 3 free throws per game, so his high FT% is not too meaningful.  Neither is his 3P% (1.6 attempts per game).  He is a good passer and rebounder.  He also plays passing lanes well, but is otherwise pretty ineffective on defense.

Statistically, he's pretty poor, overall.  Certainly never lived up to the initial hype.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2014, 04:32:05 PM
Having Kevin Love is really nice though.  Not as if Minny's GM should be bumming.  There's plenty to work with there.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 04, 2014, 06:10:37 PM
New Orleans is looking to move up into the 2nd round from the 3rd round. If interested PM me. Thinking something like my 3.11 and 5.11 for a 2nd and a 7th.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2014, 06:21:20 PM
Was listening to the latest BS Report and Simmons had Zach Lowe on. They were both going over their MVP list to this point and both had Noah in their top-5.

What he has done this year has been remarkable. Three games since Jan 1 of 10+ assists and has also replaced Garnett as the best perimeter defending big IMO.

Also must be in consideration for DPOY.

When Rose comes back they're going to be a tough out for Miami or Indiana.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 04, 2014, 06:36:10 PM
Been doing a mock draft based on no trades and looks like most teams will be 4 very good to excellent players deep with just a 20 team league.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 04, 2014, 06:38:28 PM
Is Rose actually going to come back this year?  I was under the impression he was done for the season (again).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2014, 07:24:43 PM
Been doing a mock draft based on no trades and looks like most teams will be 4 very good to excellent players deep with just a 20 team league.

Yeah, teams are going to be stacked with only 20 GM's
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 04, 2014, 07:40:15 PM
BG1989, I like how on your sig, you stopped listing after round 8. You only had to list two more, ya lazy!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 04, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
BG1989, I like how on your sig, you stopped listing after round 8. You only had to list two more, ya lazy!

Im surprised I listed to round 8.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 08:11:24 AM
Been doing a mock draft based on no trades and looks like most teams will be 4 very good to excellent players deep with just a 20 team league.
which also shows just how much talent is truly in the league today.  It is drafts like this that I use all the time to demonstrate with actual evidence just how much better the league is today than any other time in history. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 05, 2014, 09:14:00 AM
Been doing a mock draft based on no trades and looks like most teams will be 4 very good to excellent players deep with just a 20 team league.
which also shows just how much talent is truly in the league today.  It is drafts like this that I use all the time to demonstrate with actual evidence just how much better the league is today than any other time in history.

I'm sorry but the eye test makes it obvious that the golden age of basketball coincided perfectly with when I was young.  Just like society  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 09:16:17 AM
I'm suppose to be studying for a midterm, but all I can seem to do is mock draft the first round and see if its worth it to move back in the first round.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 05, 2014, 09:24:42 AM
Monroe is available for a first rounder (provided my targeted player is still around at that point)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 09:31:27 AM
Also, if anybody is going to be available around 2:30, Rondoallaturca has asked if somebody can take his list and make his selection.

I'll be in class and unable to get online.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 09:36:40 AM
Willing to move back from 1.5 providing my guy(s) aren't there...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 09:39:05 AM
Looking to move up in the first. Have 1.16.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 05, 2014, 09:48:49 AM
I'm open to moving back in the 1st round from 1.7.  Not interested in any deal that leaves me without a first entirely.

I will be unavailable until just before 10, though, so if you send an offer you'll have to wait a bit.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: celticpride07 on March 05, 2014, 09:55:37 AM
Could trade 1.20 for a player or taking offers for bosh
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 10:02:01 AM
I have a list of 3, but there is one guy I really want.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 05, 2014, 10:06:19 AM
Might want to move picks or Westbrook for one specific individual currently in the draft (giving up Westbrook requires package).  Failing that, willing to move up in the first round in exchange for moving down in later rounds
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 10:07:38 AM
anyone heard from fitz.  I don't like to skip people so I will give him some time, but just wondering if he is going to show up.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 05, 2014, 10:09:10 AM
anyone heard from fitz.  I don't like to skip people so I will give him some time, but just wondering if he is going to show up.
You are due at 10:30 so don't wait longer than that
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 10:09:44 AM
anyone heard from fitz.  I don't like to skip people so I will give him some time, but just wondering if he is going to show up.
You are due at 10:30 so don't wait longer than that
of course, but I could in theory pick now, which was what I was getting at.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 05, 2014, 10:11:30 AM
anyone heard from fitz.  I don't like to skip people so I will give him some time, but just wondering if he is going to show up.
You are due at 10:30 so don't wait longer than that
of course, but I could in theory pick now, which was what I was getting at.
I'm surprised he didn't give anyone a list.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 10:28:47 AM
The Sacramento Kings select former MVP and the stone cold veteran leadership with the complimentary game Dirk Nowitzki
That was my #2 if Ibaka was gone.  excellent selection

This was too easy.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 05, 2014, 10:31:08 AM
Dirk is still a top ten player in the NBA and by far the best player still available.  I was very surprised to see Dallas not picked in the team round.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 10:32:50 AM
Fitz sent me his pick late last night, but then followed it up with another PM saying "never mind."

Hopefully he's online soon.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 10:39:14 AM
Shopping 1.5 to move back in the first.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 10:42:07 AM
Dirk is still a top ten player in the NBA and by far the best player still available.  I was very surprised to see Dallas not picked in the team round.
Plus he is the perfect compliment to Demarcus Cousins.  I have the inside/outside game perfected with this lineup.  Plus, Dirk still has the ability to take over a game, especially in crunch time, that the Kings will need (as well as the steely veteran leadership that Cousins and Thomas being so young don't quite have yet).  Very happy Dirk was there for me.  I really like how my team is shaping up.  I now have the 6th, 8th, and 20th best PER's on the year for my first three.  No one else can even come close to that.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2014, 10:48:24 AM
Dirk is still a top ten player in the NBA and by far the best player still available.  I was very surprised to see Dallas not picked in the team round.
Plus he is the perfect compliment to Demarcus Cousins.  I have the inside/outside game perfected with this lineup.  Plus, Dirk still has the ability to take over a game, especially in crunch time, that the Kings will need (as well as the steely veteran leadership that Cousins and Thomas being so young don't quite have yet).  Very happy Dirk was there for me.  I really like how my team is shaping up.  I now have the 6th, 8th, and 20th best PER's on the year for my first three.  No one else can even come close to that.

Alongside Cousins that's a great duo.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 10:55:22 AM
I'd be willing to move down from 1.6. PM offers if interested.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 10:57:33 AM
Dirk is still a top ten player in the NBA and by far the best player still available.  I was very surprised to see Dallas not picked in the team round.
Plus he is the perfect compliment to Demarcus Cousins.  I have the inside/outside game perfected with this lineup.  Plus, Dirk still has the ability to take over a game, especially in crunch time, that the Kings will need (as well as the steely veteran leadership that Cousins and Thomas being so young don't quite have yet).  Very happy Dirk was there for me.  I really like how my team is shaping up.  I now have the 6th, 8th, and 20th best PER's on the year for my first three.  No one else can even come close to that.

Alongside Cousins that's a great duo.

Offensively it would be a beauty to watch but I worry a bit about defense.

Dirk is savvy but not a very good defender and Cousins isn't exactly the defensive anchor I would want next to Dirk.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 11:03:53 AM
Dirk is still a top ten player in the NBA and by far the best player still available.  I was very surprised to see Dallas not picked in the team round.
Plus he is the perfect compliment to Demarcus Cousins.  I have the inside/outside game perfected with this lineup.  Plus, Dirk still has the ability to take over a game, especially in crunch time, that the Kings will need (as well as the steely veteran leadership that Cousins and Thomas being so young don't quite have yet).  Very happy Dirk was there for me.  I really like how my team is shaping up.  I now have the 6th, 8th, and 20th best PER's on the year for my first three.  No one else can even come close to that.

Alongside Cousins that's a great duo.

Offensively it would be a beauty to watch but I worry a bit about defense.

Dirk is savvy but not a very good defender and Cousins isn't exactly the defensive anchor I would want next to Dirk.
fair point, but with Ibaka gone there aren't many top tier defensive PF's left.  There also aren't going to be many (if any at all) duo's that will even pose real problems for Dirk & DMC on either end of the floor.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 11:04:21 AM
Since fitz did reach out to me about picking for him (indicating he wouldn't be here) and I know he's on Australian time, I'm going to make an autopick for him.

Fitz gets Pau Gasol

I don't know if this is Australian humor, Fitz. But I don't find this funny.

 ;D

So close...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 11:06:18 AM
A reminder to post comments on picks in THIS thread, not the draft thread.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 11:06:20 AM
TRADE

Chicago Sends: Dwayne Wade and 7.5

Miami Sends: 1.20 4.20
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2014, 11:06:46 AM
Chicago picks Dwayne Wade

Garrrr.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 11:08:18 AM
TRADE

Chicago Sends: Dwayne Wade and 7.5

Miami Sends: 1.20 4.20

This isn't official yet. Since it involves BG, it has to go through me (or KGK). Both parties must PM me the trade.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 11:11:50 AM
TRADE

Chicago Sends: Dwayne Wade and 7.5

Miami Sends: 1.20 4.20

This isn't official yet. Since it involves BG, it has to go through me (or KGK). Both parties must PM me the trade.

All set, trade approved.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 11:12:08 AM
I don't think Bogut is much of a reach.

He's been in the conversation for DPOY most the season.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 11:13:53 AM
I don't think Bogut is much of a reach.

He's been in the conversation for DPOY most the season.

He is IMO in a sense that I think I could've selected some All Star names instead.

I just thought it'll be hard without an defensive anchor, and there's not a lot out there.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 11:14:53 AM
Interesting to see cp07 going for the big three in Miami. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: celticpride07 on March 05, 2014, 11:15:26 AM
it kind of makes me sick to have all three heatles but want to see what i can put around them
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 11:15:35 AM
Dirk is still a top ten player in the NBA and by far the best player still available.  I was very surprised to see Dallas not picked in the team round.
Plus he is the perfect compliment to Demarcus Cousins.  I have the inside/outside game perfected with this lineup.  Plus, Dirk still has the ability to take over a game, especially in crunch time, that the Kings will need (as well as the steely veteran leadership that Cousins and Thomas being so young don't quite have yet).  Very happy Dirk was there for me.  I really like how my team is shaping up.  I now have the 6th, 8th, and 20th best PER's on the year for my first three.  No one else can even come close to that.

Alongside Cousins that's a great duo.

Offensively it would be a beauty to watch but I worry a bit about defense.

Dirk is savvy but not a very good defender and Cousins isn't exactly the defensive anchor I would want next to Dirk.
fair point, but with Ibaka gone there aren't many top tier defensive PF's left.  There also aren't going to be many (if any at all) duo's that will even pose real problems for Dirk & DMC on either end of the floor.

Meh, disagree on both accounts I guess.

I think there's still a handful of solid defensive bigs. Maybe less flashy names though.

Also a little too early to say there's no duos that will give you problems defensively.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 11:19:29 AM
it kind of makes me sick to have all three heatles but want to see what i can put around them

It's great that you dont have to worry about the cap though?  I mean if we have the cap, you'd be way up there already.

Great trade.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 11:22:22 AM
Interesting to see cp07 going for the big three in Miami. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Yeah, I see why he would do it. Whoever has Lebron already has an enormous advantage anyways.

I'd get bored though. I like to tinker and build too much. I'd be an awful RL GM lol
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 11:23:53 AM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 11:25:22 AM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
I would of picked him if I hadn't fallen asleep.   >:(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 05, 2014, 11:26:13 AM
Whoever is picking next, I would love to trade up. If not, can I leave a list with somebody?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: celticpride07 on March 05, 2014, 11:29:03 AM
Anybody interested in 2.20 3.20 for a late first pm me
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 11:30:14 AM
The Danny Ainge Fantasy Campers select Arron Afflalo.

First pick that's legitimately frustrated me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 05, 2014, 11:30:41 AM
Thoughts on Afflalo?  Some more highly regarded guys out there but he's the best 2-way player at the league's shallowest position.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 05, 2014, 11:31:06 AM
The Danny Ainge Fantasy Campers select Arron Afflalo.

First pick that's legitimately frustrated me.

Already 3 Bruins that I won't be able to draft now... :'(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 05, 2014, 11:34:01 AM
Evantime and enzzo, check PMs!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 11:35:43 AM
Evantime and enzzo, check PMs!

Whatever he's offering. I'll match. My picks are two spots earlier.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 11:37:36 AM
Dirk is still a top ten player in the NBA and by far the best player still available.  I was very surprised to see Dallas not picked in the team round.
Plus he is the perfect compliment to Demarcus Cousins.  I have the inside/outside game perfected with this lineup.  Plus, Dirk still has the ability to take over a game, especially in crunch time, that the Kings will need (as well as the steely veteran leadership that Cousins and Thomas being so young don't quite have yet).  Very happy Dirk was there for me.  I really like how my team is shaping up.  I now have the 6th, 8th, and 20th best PER's on the year for my first three.  No one else can even come close to that.

Alongside Cousins that's a great duo.

Offensively it would be a beauty to watch but I worry a bit about defense.

Dirk is savvy but not a very good defender and Cousins isn't exactly the defensive anchor I would want next to Dirk.
fair point, but with Ibaka gone there aren't many top tier defensive PF's left.  There also aren't going to be many (if any at all) duo's that will even pose real problems for Dirk & DMC on either end of the floor.

Meh, disagree on both accounts I guess.

I think there's still a handful of solid defensive bigs. Maybe less flashy names though.

Also a little too early to say there's no duos that will give you problems defensively.
Possibly, but when you start actually looking at Cousins, especially this year, you find he has gotten the better of virtually every matchup.  Even against Howard, Cousins won 2, lost 1, and the other game Cousins played less than 10 minutes (the 3 games were clear wins for the guy that won).  2 games between Cousins and Bogut, Cousins won both.  Cousins and Noah, Cousins dominated him in their only match-up this year.  Cousins and Marc Gasol split.

I can say that no duo will give Cousins and Nowtizki problems because no center has effectively shut down Cousins and that is without a bona fide big time PF playing next to him to take some of the focus away from him.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 05, 2014, 11:38:24 AM
Do I have to wait all the way until 1 o'clock to start the second session
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 11:40:08 AM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
I would of picked him if I hadn't fallen asleep.   >:(
Sucks man, though I must say I'm glad you did since I got Dirk and Ibaka was off the board.  I had Dirk 1, Ibaka 2, and Wade 3 coming into the day.  Was glad I got Dirk.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 11:41:02 AM
Do I have to wait all the way until 1 o'clock to start the second session

No, but the guy after you can wait until 1:15 if he wants, and so on.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 11:46:43 AM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
I would of picked him if I hadn't fallen asleep.   >:(
Sucks man, though I must say I'm glad you did since I got Dirk and Ibaka was off the board.  I had Dirk 1, Ibaka 2, and Wade 3 coming into the day.  Was glad I got Dirk.
Still very happy with Pau  :)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 11:49:17 AM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
I would of picked him if I hadn't fallen asleep.   >:(
Sucks man, though I must say I'm glad you did since I got Dirk and Ibaka was off the board.  I had Dirk 1, Ibaka 2, and Wade 3 coming into the day.  Was glad I got Dirk.
Still very happy with Pau  :)

I hope you're happy stealing my pick...

 ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 11:52:10 AM
Love the Thompson pick. I had him third among available SG's. You gotta get the shooting guards while you can in this round. All the good ones will be gone.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 11:52:25 AM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
I would of picked him if I hadn't fallen asleep.   >:(
Sucks man, though I must say I'm glad you did since I got Dirk and Ibaka was off the board.  I had Dirk 1, Ibaka 2, and Wade 3 coming into the day.  Was glad I got Dirk.
Still very happy with Pau  :)

I hope you're happy stealing my pick...

 ;D
just send me an incredibly favourable offer for him and you might get him.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Enzzo on March 05, 2014, 11:54:37 AM
Sorry to the guys that PM'ed me, I'm stuck in a meeting on my phone and it's a pain to navigate and focus on work. But hopefully Nikola stays healthy for me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 11:55:00 AM
Looking to get another first pm me if anything interests you
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 11:55:58 AM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
I would of picked him if I hadn't fallen asleep.   >:(
Sucks man, though I must say I'm glad you did since I got Dirk and Ibaka was off the board.  I had Dirk 1, Ibaka 2, and Wade 3 coming into the day.  Was glad I got Dirk.
Still very happy with Pau  :)

I hope you're happy stealing my pick...

 ;D
just send me an incredibly favourable offer for him and you might get him.

That may include giving up your fellow Aussie Bogut, don't it?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 11:57:10 AM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
I would of picked him if I hadn't fallen asleep.   >:(
Sucks man, though I must say I'm glad you did since I got Dirk and Ibaka was off the board.  I had Dirk 1, Ibaka 2, and Wade 3 coming into the day.  Was glad I got Dirk.
Still very happy with Pau  :)

I hope you're happy stealing my pick...

 ;D
just send me an incredibly favourable offer for him and you might get him.

That may include giving up your fellow Aussie Bogut, don't it?
Of course.. and picks  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
Wow. Jordan and Davis is pretty sick. Thought the Wolves would have taken DeAndre.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 11:58:13 AM
Who's going to score inside against New Orleans?
nobody
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 11:58:59 AM
Who's going to score inside against New Orleans?
nobody

EDIT
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Enzzo on March 05, 2014, 11:59:46 AM
Wow. Jordan and Davis is pretty sick. Thought the Wolves would have taken DeAndre.

Yeah, really sucks that this is during the craziest part of my day. I have little 30 second spurts to check to see who's avail, what I need, etc..

Oh well.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 12:01:34 PM
edit
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 12:01:49 PM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
I would of picked him if I hadn't fallen asleep.   >:(
Sucks man, though I must say I'm glad you did since I got Dirk and Ibaka was off the board.  I had Dirk 1, Ibaka 2, and Wade 3 coming into the day.  Was glad I got Dirk.
Still very happy with Pau  :)

I hope you're happy stealing my pick...

 ;D
just send me an incredibly favourable offer for him and you might get him.

That may include giving up your fellow Aussie Bogut, don't it?
Of course.. and picks  ;D

Can't do it, mate. You know how I love my Bogut.

I think I can live without Pau. Although that's a very slick back up plan for missing out on Dirk.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 05, 2014, 12:03:05 PM
Still looking for someone to leave a list with. My pick is at 230.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 12:05:57 PM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
I would of picked him if I hadn't fallen asleep.   >:(
Sucks man, though I must say I'm glad you did since I got Dirk and Ibaka was off the board.  I had Dirk 1, Ibaka 2, and Wade 3 coming into the day.  Was glad I got Dirk.
Still very happy with Pau  :)

I hope you're happy stealing my pick...

 ;D
just send me an incredibly favourable offer for him and you might get him.

That may include giving up your fellow Aussie Bogut, don't it?
Of course.. and picks  ;D

Can't do it, mate. You know how I love my Bogut.

I think I can live without Pau. Although that's a very slick back up plan for missing out on Dirk.
Buggar, Bogut is a fave of mine.

very similar production, especially in the last few games.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 12:06:43 PM
Still looking for someone to leave a list with. My pick is at 230.

If nobody else steps up send it to me.

I'll step out of class and make your pick for you or just tell my teacher "Hold on, this is the CelticsBlog Pick 2 draft!"
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 05, 2014, 12:08:11 PM
Still looking for someone to leave a list with. My pick is at 230.

If nobody else steps up send it to me.

I'll step out of class and make your pick for you or just tell my teacher "Hold on, this is the CelticsBlog Pick 2 draft!"

I can't pick cause I have a class as well haha. I don't want to pull you out of class though.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Who on March 05, 2014, 12:09:29 PM
DeAndre Jordan + Anthony Davis = wow!

The athleticism, defensive length and activity between those two. They would be horrible to play against.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 12:09:51 PM
Still looking for someone to leave a list with. My pick is at 230.

If nobody else steps up send it to me.

I'll step out of class and make your pick for you or just tell my teacher "Hold on, this is the CelticsBlog Pick 2 draft!"

I can't pick cause I have a class as well haha. I don't want to pull you out of class though.

Figures lol. Well my teacher is pretty relaxed so it won't be a biggie.

Would rather somebody else do it if they can though.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
DeAndre Jordan + Anthony Davis = wow!

The athleticism, defensive length and activity between those two. They would be horrible to play against.

Yeah, Jordan really stepped it up this year. Think I have him in my top 5 for centers.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 12:14:53 PM
Looking to move up a few spots, PM me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 05, 2014, 12:15:02 PM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
thought about it but the main reason not to take him was age.  that and I wanted a top defender at that position who wasn't useless on offense
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 12:16:12 PM
Who's going to score inside against New Orleans?
nobody
Demarcus Cousins.  Just like he has done all season long against Anthony Davis and Deandre Jordan. 

Cousins v. Davis - DMC 21.7/12.3 & Davis 16.7/7 (DMC even is out shot blocking Davis in the match-up)

Cousins v. Jordan - DMC 24/12.7 & Jordan 11.7/11.7

Not worried at all.  Especially since neither Jordan nor Davis can guard Dirk on the wing at all.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 12:17:46 PM
Great pick by SacTown. Thought Dirk shoulda went first.
thought about it but the main reason not to take him was age.  that and I wanted a top defender at that position who wasn't useless on offense
Yeah I have short window with Dirk which was a concern, but with two very young guys I needed that veteran leader and there really isn't a better complimentary style to Cousins than Dirk (obviously Love and even Ibaka fit into that category as well).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 12:20:46 PM
Afflalo is the pick that just seems strange to me.  Can't quite figure that one out.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
Who's going to score inside against New Orleans?
nobody

This guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s2YJvXbnU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s2YJvXbnU4)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 05, 2014, 12:21:08 PM
Left my list with BG. However, we both have class so I would really appreciate if someone could take on the list instead. See y'all later today.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 12:21:38 PM
Who's going to score inside against New Orleans?
nobody
Demarcus Cousins.  Just like he has done all season long against Anthony Davis and Deandre Jordan. 

Cousins v. Davis - DMC 21.7/12.3 & Davis 16.7/7 (DMC even is out shot blocking Davis in the match-up)

Cousins v. Jordan - DMC 24/12.7 & Jordan 11.7/11.7

Not worried at all.  Especially since neither Jordan nor Davis can guard Dirk on the wing at all.
Those stats really surprise me..

how did Sully take DMC to town so easily?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 12:21:39 PM
Afflalo is the pick that just seems strange to me.  Can't quite figure that one out.

I could see why Boston picked him. SG position is very thin and Affalo is probably one of the best two-way SG there is.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 12:22:49 PM
Who's going to score inside against New Orleans?
nobody

This guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s2YJvXbnU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s2YJvXbnU4)
other than DeRozan I mean
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 05, 2014, 12:25:05 PM
Afflalo is the pick that just seems strange to me.  Can't quite figure that one out.

I could see why Boston picked him. SG position is very thin and Affalo is probably one of the best two-way SG there is.

Yup, wanted a guy next to Rondo who could shoot 3s, defend, be a secondary playmaker, and create his own shot when needed.  Afflalo fits the bill better than anyone left.

47%/44%/82% with 3.6 assists a game, and just entering his prime.  And just one season away from the Derek Harper (improved PPG in each of first 8 seasons).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 05, 2014, 12:26:16 PM
Afflalo is the pick that just seems strange to me.  Can't quite figure that one out.

I could see why Boston picked him. SG position is very thin and Affalo is probably one of the best two-way SG there is.
Had Afflalo high on my list as well for no other reason than SG is pretty thin in the league today and he's one of the few available that are a good pickup if surrounded by other good players.  There's other decent ones out there but Wade, Klay and Afflalo were pretty much the top of the list at SG
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2014, 12:37:13 PM
Afflalo is the pick that just seems strange to me.  Can't quite figure that one out.

I could see why Boston picked him. SG position is very thin and Affalo is probably one of the best two-way SG there is.

Yup, wanted a guy next to Rondo who could shoot 3s, defend, be a secondary playmaker, and create his own shot when needed.  Afflalo fits the bill better than anyone left.

47%/44%/82% with 3.6 assists a game, and just entering his prime.  And just one season away from the Derek Harper (improved PPG in each of first 8 seasons).

Afflalo would be a great player for the Celtics in real life and would be a player I'd want Danny to target. (The reason I pushed so hard to get him in the DKC).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 12:38:08 PM
Who's going to score inside against New Orleans?
nobody
Demarcus Cousins.  Just like he has done all season long against Anthony Davis and Deandre Jordan. 

Cousins v. Davis - DMC 21.7/12.3 & Davis 16.7/7 (DMC even is out shot blocking Davis in the match-up)

Cousins v. Jordan - DMC 24/12.7 & Jordan 11.7/11.7

Not worried at all.  Especially since neither Jordan nor Davis can guard Dirk on the wing at all.
Those stats really surprise me..

how did Sully take DMC to town so easily?

Cousins talent is undeniable, but his monster stat lines seem somewhat empty to me.

He puts up monster numbers but his team remains nearly 20 games below .500.

I have to imagine though Dirk is a significant upgrade to Jason Thompsan lol.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 12:45:05 PM
Also looking to move up into the second. Offering my third and fourth for, say, second and sixth.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 05, 2014, 12:49:05 PM
Cousins talent is undeniable, but his monster stat lines seem somewhat empty to me.

He puts up monster numbers but his team remains nearly 20 games below .500.

I have the same feeling about Kevin Love, though his stats and teams have been a little better at least.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: celticpride07 on March 05, 2014, 12:58:06 PM
Looking to move both my 2.20 and 3.20 PM me
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 05, 2014, 01:01:42 PM
looooooooooong wait since the last pick :(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 01:10:31 PM
Who's going to score inside against New Orleans?
nobody
Demarcus Cousins.  Just like he has done all season long against Anthony Davis and Deandre Jordan. 

Cousins v. Davis - DMC 21.7/12.3 & Davis 16.7/7 (DMC even is out shot blocking Davis in the match-up)

Cousins v. Jordan - DMC 24/12.7 & Jordan 11.7/11.7

Not worried at all.  Especially since neither Jordan nor Davis can guard Dirk on the wing at all.
Those stats really surprise me..

how did Sully take DMC to town so easily?

Cousins talent is undeniable, but his monster stat lines seem somewhat empty to me.

He puts up monster numbers but his team remains nearly 20 games below .500.

I have to imagine though Dirk is a significant upgrade to Jason Thompsan lol.
The Pelicans are only 2.5 games than the Kings and they have Davis, Gordon, and a bunch of other talented players (who haven't been picked yet so I won't name them).  The West is very deep this year. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2014, 01:12:10 PM
looooooooooong wait since the last pick :(

Looong wait but at least its giving me more time to think about my pick... Any suggestions are welcomed and graced with TPs.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 05, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
Still looking for someone to leave a list with. My pick is at 230.

If nobody else steps up send it to me.

I'll step out of class and make your pick for you or just tell my teacher "Hold on, this is the CelticsBlog Pick 2 draft!"

I can't pick cause I have a class as well haha. I don't want to pull you out of class though.

just got home from class...

send me your list, I'll be on
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 05, 2014, 01:17:03 PM
looooooooooong wait since the last pick :(

Looong wait but at least its giving me more time to think about my pick... Any suggestions are welcomed and graced with TPs.
cool.  I suggest you pick someone I don't have my eye on  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2014, 01:23:38 PM
looooooooooong wait since the last pick :(

Looong wait but at least its giving me more time to think about my pick... Any suggestions are welcomed and graced with TPs.
cool.  I suggest you pick someone I don't have my eye on  ;D

Eh, I'll give that a TP. ha.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: airbelinelli on March 05, 2014, 01:30:44 PM
Went bold in grabbing Horford even though he's hurt. Feel like he'd do a better job at David lee's role on the warriors then lee does
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 05, 2014, 01:34:19 PM
Went bold in grabbing Horford even though he's hurt. Feel like he'd do a better job at David lee's role on the warriors then lee does
was hoping he'd slide due to the injury  :'(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
Not going to rush my pick if anyone has offers for it send them my way.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 01:44:41 PM
I pick 1.16. PM if interested
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 01:50:15 PM
I really debated hard about Al Horford.

But knowing the CB Draft's history of killing every injured players to the fullest, had to go in a different direction.

Tough though, Horford is everything you can ask for for a Center.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 05, 2014, 01:57:52 PM
Rampant scandalous speculation time:  Horford keeps tearing his pectorals because he's a heavy PED user.  Discuss!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 01:58:34 PM
I really debated hard about Al Horford.

But knowing the CB Draft's history of killing every injured players to the fullest, had to go in a different direction.

Tough though, Horford is everything you can ask for for a Center.
except short and he hates playing the position.

I was actually thinking he would make it out of this round and mid-way through round 2 at a minimum.  I mean it isn't like we are talking about Shaq in his prime here.  14/9.5/2.6 for the career is solid, but not overly exciting or awesome either.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2014, 01:59:27 PM
Agh last minute trade talks
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 05, 2014, 02:01:52 PM
I really debated hard about Al Horford.

But knowing the CB Draft's history of killing every injured players to the fullest, had to go in a different direction.

Tough though, Horford is everything you can ask for for a Center.
except short and he hates playing the position.

I was actually thinking he would make it out of this round and mid-way through round 2 at a minimum.  I mean it isn't like we are talking about Shaq in his prime here.  14/9.5/2.6 for the career is solid, but not overly exciting or awesome either.
He's an other PF playing out of position unfortunately.  if Atlanta ever actually paired him with a solid center and let him play PF, he'd be so much better.  if he wasn't injured, Atlanta would probably have been one of the teams picked and he'd be a keeper.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 02:06:31 PM
If you're trying to finish up a trade, you can always pick the player the other team wants and finalize the trade after the fact.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 05, 2014, 02:07:47 PM
If you aren't sure who to pick, Monroe is available for your first.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 05, 2014, 02:16:25 PM
all my hopefuls for the next round are dropping like flies :(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 02:17:56 PM
I really debated hard about Al Horford.

But knowing the CB Draft's history of killing every injured players to the fullest, had to go in a different direction.

Tough though, Horford is everything you can ask for for a Center.
except short and he hates playing the position.



Didnt stop him from playing it great.

I understand the career numbers, but before he went down, he's primed for an All Star year. 18/8/1.5 blocks, 56% shooting. 22.16 PER and is just good on both ends.

The injury (now looks like recurring) is what scares me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2014, 02:20:43 PM
If you aren't sure who to pick, Monroe is available for your first.

Would have done it but not a fan of him next to Aldridge. Much happier with taking Kawhi next to LA and Lillard.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 05, 2014, 02:25:32 PM
If you aren't sure who to pick, Monroe is available for your first.

Would have done it but not a fan of him next to Aldridge. Much happier with taking Kawhi next to LA and Lillard.

Kawhi is an excellent pick there.  Really ensures you can defend LeBron/Durant as well as any team can.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 02:26:00 PM
If you aren't sure who to pick, Monroe is available for your first.

So is exciting young PG Eric Bledsoe.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 02:27:41 PM
Really wanted Millsap or West to put next to Howard. But Lee isn't too shabby at this point. Was debating between him and another guy.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 02:28:02 PM
I really debated hard about Al Horford.

But knowing the CB Draft's history of killing every injured players to the fullest, had to go in a different direction.

Tough though, Horford is everything you can ask for for a Center.
except short and he hates playing the position.



Didnt stop him from playing it great.

I understand the career numbers, but before he went down, he's primed for an All Star year. 18/8/1.5 blocks, 56% shooting. 22.16 PER and is just good on both ends.

The injury (now looks like recurring) is what scares me.
He was having a good year, but none of that strikes me as great.  Horford is a good solid all around player, but he doesn't excel at anything.  He isn't a #1 scorer, he isn't a great rebounder, he isn't a great passer.  He is sort of like Jeff Green but because he is bigger and taller he can play center and is thus more valuable than a good solid, but not great at anything, SF.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 05, 2014, 02:32:41 PM
Really wanted Millsap or West to put next to Howard. But Lee isn't too shabby at this point. Was debating between him and another guy.

I think I would have gone with a wing defender there.  Probably could have gotten a stretch four with a bit more range later.

Lee is a solid complement to Howard/Harden, none the less.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 02:36:01 PM
I know it's boring, but this season Stephenson and George have been one of the best wing combos in the league, at both ends of the floor.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 02:38:06 PM
I really debated hard about Al Horford.

But knowing the CB Draft's history of killing every injured players to the fullest, had to go in a different direction.

Tough though, Horford is everything you can ask for for a Center.
except short and he hates playing the position.



Didnt stop him from playing it great.

I understand the career numbers, but before he went down, he's primed for an All Star year. 18/8/1.5 blocks, 56% shooting. 22.16 PER and is just good on both ends.

The injury (now looks like recurring) is what scares me.
He was having a good year, but none of that strikes me as great.  Horford is a good solid all around player, but he doesn't excel at anything.  He isn't a #1 scorer, he isn't a great rebounder, he isn't a great passer.  He is sort of like Jeff Green but because he is bigger and taller he can play center and is thus more valuable than a good solid, but not great at anything, SF.

But he's way more consistent than Green.

He is having a good year, maybe headed to a much better one actually if not for the injury.

His November numbers goes 17/8/2 assist/1 block 56% shooting.

He then got even better by December going 21/9/3 assist/1 block/59%! shooting. And he's taking 15 shots. He's ultra efficient and during that time, you can make an argument that he's a top 5 Center. For someone who's a not a number 1 option on scoring, he sure does score pretty efficiently and a lot by December.

Of course, it stopped when he tore his pec. But I disagree that he's just "solid". Well, not this year at least.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 02:39:01 PM
Batum

Dagnabit!

I thought he will slide...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 05, 2014, 02:40:52 PM
Love Batum next to CP3 and Blake

Excellent choice
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 05, 2014, 02:43:22 PM
If you aren't sure who to pick, Monroe is available for your first.

Would have done it but not a fan of him next to Aldridge. Much happier with taking Kawhi next to LA and Lillard.

Kawhi is an excellent pick there.  Really ensures you can defend LeBron/Durant as well as any team can.

Portland's biggest weakness is defense really. So being able to put a young, athletic, wing who can contain the Durants and James AND has championship level experience was a decision I should have made final around 1:45 as opposed to 2:11 when I made the pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 05, 2014, 02:47:14 PM
Love Batum next to CP3 and Blake

Excellent choice
Yep.  I was hoping I would get him next round.  In fact he was the only guy on my list.  I will have to do some real work tonight to come up with my plan B.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 03:09:42 PM
Just got out of an exam that ran late.  I would like to request a 5-10 minute pause

No pauses, but if BG is nice enough he'll wait until the deadline to make his pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 03:14:56 PM
Just got out of an exam that ran late.  I would like to request a 5-10 minute pause

No pauses, but if BG is nice enough he'll wait until the deadline to make his pick.

Didn't plan on making my pick until later tonight so you've got plenty of time.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 05, 2014, 03:18:25 PM
Just got out of an exam that ran late.  I would like to request a 5-10 minute pause

No pauses, but if BG is nice enough he'll wait until the deadline to make his pick.

Didn't plan on making my pick until later tonight so you've got plenty of time.

BOOOO!!!  I wanted to get my pick lined up for tomorrow.  >:(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 03:20:42 PM
Rosters post is updated with the exception of BG's last pick. Any position shufflings you want to make, just let me know.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=69983.0
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 05, 2014, 03:21:23 PM
Just got out of an exam that ran late.  I would like to request a 5-10 minute pause

No pauses, but if BG is nice enough he'll wait until the deadline to make his pick.

Didn't plan on making my pick until later tonight so you've got plenty of time.

Heh, thanks.  Didn't see this until after I picked, but thanks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: airbelinelli on March 05, 2014, 03:22:25 PM
I really debated hard about Al Horford.

But knowing the CB Draft's history of killing every injured players to the fullest, had to go in a different direction.

Tough though, Horford is everything you can ask for for a Center.
except short and he hates playing the position.



Didnt stop him from playing it great.

I understand the career numbers, but before he went down, he's primed for an All Star year. 18/8/1.5 blocks, 56% shooting. 22.16 PER and is just good on both ends.

The injury (now looks like recurring) is what scares me.
He was having a good year, but none of that strikes me as great.  Horford is a good solid all around player, but he doesn't excel at anything.  He isn't a #1 scorer, he isn't a great rebounder, he isn't a great passer.  He is sort of like Jeff Green but because he is bigger and taller he can play center and is thus more valuable than a good solid, but not great at anything, SF.

With Curry on the team he doesnt need to be a #1 option, and paired with a good C he makes for a very good frontcourt. And then there's always Iggy hanging around to do everything for the team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 05, 2014, 03:24:18 PM
Rosters post is updated with the exception of BG's last pick. Any position shufflings you want to make, just let me know.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=69983.0
Can you list DeRozan at SG instead of SF please?

Edit: Thanks, TP
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Young Nick on March 05, 2014, 03:32:27 PM
Quick few notes because I am new to things here:

Did my mobile post of my pick get deleted by AB_Celtic to keep things clean?
Am I expected to update my signature to reflect my team?

Obviously this league is as much as I make out of it, but am I expected to be throwing out all these crazy hypothetical trades for future picks? Call me conservative, but I like to know who is on the board before I trade away a pick.

That being said, the Grizz couldn't be happier to welcome Millsap to the team. Here is a very, very well-rounded player who, like Gasol, can act as a floor-spreading big shooting 37% (!!) from 3. Read about the Marc Gasol All-Stars on Grantland. We have the team's namesake and Millsap, a starter for the 2013-14 squad.

That being said, he is tradable if the right offer comes across my inbox.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Did my mobile post of my pick get deleted by AB_Celtic to keep things clean?
Yes, I had already made the pick for you.

Am I expected to update my signature to reflect my team?
Some people like to, but it's not a requirement. Your team will be posted in the rosters thread, and you can edit the depth chart from there as well by PM'ing me. But, having your team and your picks in your sig makes it easier for people to talk trades with you.

Obviously this league is as much as I make out of it, but am I expected to be throwing out all these crazy hypothetical trades for future picks? Call me conservative, but I like to know who is on the board before I trade away a pick.
If you don't want to, you don't have to. Some people like to make trades, some don't. I made almost a dozen in last years pick two, but will likely make only a few this year, if that.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 03:59:05 PM
Westbrook - Lawson is quite an interesting tandem...

I mean they are both talented, but kind of a similar mold as a scoring PG. Something has to give here. Who's going to be playing off the ball.

KD?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Who on March 05, 2014, 03:59:55 PM
Westbrook - Lawson is quite an interesting tandem...

I mean they are both talented, but kind of a similar mold as a scoring PG. Something has to give here. Who's going to be playing off the ball.

KD?

Play Durant at the four. Run n Gun !!!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 05, 2014, 04:01:48 PM
Westbrook - Lawson is quite an interesting tandem...

I mean they are both talented, but kind of a similar mold as a scoring PG. Something has to give here. Who's going to be playing off the ball.

KD?

Play Durant at the four. Run n Gun !!!

That would be wicked.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 05, 2014, 04:07:55 PM
Westbrook - Lawson is quite an interesting tandem...

I mean they are both talented, but kind of a similar mold as a scoring PG. Something has to give here. Who's going to be playing off the ball.

KD?

Play Durant at the four. Run n Gun !!!

Interesting...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Young Nick on March 05, 2014, 04:27:36 PM
Westbrook - Lawson is quite an interesting tandem...

I mean they are both talented, but kind of a similar mold as a scoring PG. Something has to give here. Who's going to be playing off the ball.

KD?

Play Durant at the four. Run n Gun !!!

This seems to imply a little bit of sarcasm, or at least that Who thinks that it is a somewhat unrealistic line-up. I fully disagree. These three on the court together with a big who can throw outlet passes and a 3 that can run and shoot (think ______ as a possible future draft choice) is terrifying. These guys would be like the Suns, but well, better. I fully support this line-up.

Reminder: don't talk about undrafted players.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 05, 2014, 04:33:05 PM
Still loads and loads of real talent left on the board. I was going to try to trade up and grab another 2nd rounder but I am not sure that is going to be necessary. Probably just continue to take BPA and build from there.

Normally with a full slate of GMs 90 players would be off the board. Now only 60 players are off. We have to draft another round and a half before we get to the point where the normal first round talent is off the board.

Think patience in letting talent drop to you will be the payoff in this draft.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 05, 2014, 05:12:34 PM
I've had one good offer for Hibbert. Trying to see what else is out there. PM me if interested.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 05:32:36 PM
Will e making my selection in a couple hours when offer home to my computer, but still shopping the next pick.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 06:16:06 PM
Also getting some interesting offers on Noah...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 05, 2014, 06:22:20 PM
Finally back on a computer. I was delighted to be able to land Batum with my late first! I did not think I would have a shot at him at all.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 07:16:19 PM
Will be making my selection around 8:15 or so.

Apologize for the delay.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 05, 2014, 08:35:45 PM
Very happy to get a frontcourt player of Randolph's caliber at the end of the round.

Averaging 17.3 points, 10.3 rebounds, and 2.5 assists.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 08:49:49 PM
Very happy to get a frontcourt player of Randolph's caliber at the end of the round.

Averaging 17.3 points, 10.3 rebounds, and 2.5 assists.

Nice pick
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 05, 2014, 08:58:20 PM
He's solid at both ends of the court.  Not very efficent anymore on the offensive end, but still decent, plus good defense.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 05, 2014, 10:34:41 PM
He's solid at both ends of the court.  Not very efficent anymore on the offensive end, but still decent, plus good defense.

Was debating between Z-Bo and Lee.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 09:20:56 AM
Entertaining offers for 2.3.  Let me know if you are interested.  Will move multiple picks and/or Thomas as well.  It would take a lot for me to move Cousins or Nowitzki, but I am not opposed to it either.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 09:30:08 AM
when are we open for business?  anxious to get underway today
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 09:31:33 AM
when are we open for business?  anxious to get underway today

You don't have Lebron James! Stop lying in your sig ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
when are we open for business?  anxious to get underway today

You don't have Lebron James! Stop lying in your sig ;)
crud -- thought I cleaned that out from last year.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 09:36:15 AM
Hopefully Fitz didn't fall back asleep again lol

It's 1:30AM for the Aussie right now.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 09:36:58 AM
Hopefully Fitz didn't fall back asleep again lol

It's 1:30AM for the Aussie right now.

He didn't try to make contact with me like last time, so I can't autopick for him.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 06, 2014, 09:40:01 AM
If you still need a center pm me about Greg Monroe.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 09:45:16 AM
Hopefully Fitz didn't fall back asleep again lol

It's 1:30AM for the Aussie right now.

He didn't try to make contact with me like last time, so I can't autopick for him.
he may have been better served with a high franchise pick and a late draft time slot.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 09:47:06 AM
Hopefully Fitz didn't fall back asleep again lol

It's 1:30AM for the Aussie right now.

He didn't try to make contact with me like last time, so I can't autopick for him.
he may have been better served with a high franchise pick and a late draft time slot.
True, but with the first pick all he has to do is send the 1 guy he wants to someone or even post it here in the commentary section if the draft isn't yet open.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 09:54:39 AM
ANNOUNCEMENT

Roy H. will be joining the game as a co-GM with fitzhickey for the Toronto Raptors.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
ANNOUNCEMENT

Roy H. will be joining the game as a co-GM with fitzhickey for the Toronto Raptors.

NOOOOOO  not Roy!!  That's stacking the deck
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Roy H. on March 06, 2014, 10:00:00 AM
ANNOUNCEMENT

Roy H. will be joining the game as a co-GM with fitzhickey for the Toronto Raptors.

NOOOOOO  not Roy!!  That's stacking the deck

Ha.  Trust me, it's a "checked out, not paying attention" version, not the cut-throat jerk that you all know and love.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Who on March 06, 2014, 10:02:55 AM
Vucevic is an interesting fit alongside Ibaka and Kyrie. Best defensive PF in the league to help him out defensively. Two jump-shooting bigs to space the floor for Kyrie. Lots of room for Kyrie's dribble drive game.

Fits together nicely.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 10:04:00 AM
I am trading my pick to nick.  I have sent the pm confirming.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 10:05:35 AM
Trade

Sacramento sends 2.3 and 8.3
New Orleans sends Eric Gordon and 7.11
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Roy H. on March 06, 2014, 10:09:12 AM
Trade

Sacramento sends 2.3 and 8.3
New Orleans sends Eric Gordon and 7.10

Interesting trade.

Thomas + Gordon defensively makes me cringe a little bit, especially with Cousins and Dirk protecting the rim. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 10:10:12 AM
Trade

Sacramento sends 2.3 and 8.3
New Orleans sends Eric Gordon and 7.10


Temporarily invalid, New Orleans holds 7.11, and not 7.10. Awaiting confirmation from GMs.
I am fine with that.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 10:10:22 AM
nickagneta and Moranis check PMs.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 10:12:17 AM
Trade

Sacramento sends 2.3 and 8.3
New Orleans sends Eric Gordon and 7.10

Interesting trade.

Thomas + Gordon defensively makes me cringe a little bit, especially with Cousins and Dirk protecting the rim.
That was my hesitation with the trade, but I looked at other SG's and wings out there, and I couldn't turn down the value.  I definitely need to pick up a couple of strong wing defenders to balance the team out a bit.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 10:13:03 AM
Trade goes through
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 10:27:53 AM
Gahhhh Nick stole my BFF Chandler!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 06, 2014, 10:35:21 AM
BG if you take my guy I will eat 7 slices of pizza instead of two.

I swear...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 10:38:00 AM
BG if you take my guy I will eat 7 slices of pizza instead of two.

I swear...

LOL you're that guy....
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
Vucevic is an interesting fit alongside Ibaka and Kyrie. Best defensive PF in the league to help him out defensively. Two jump-shooting bigs to space the floor for Kyrie. Lots of room for Kyrie's dribble drive game.

Fits together nicely.
Thank you.  that's what I'm going for -- a team where everyone complements each other well
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 10:40:48 AM
Gahhhh Nick stole my BFF Chandler!
Had I kept the pick I would have gone with Chandler Parsons myself.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
Looking over the rosters page, there's a lot of good combos and with only 20 teams, just about every team should be better than their real life counterparts.

That's always good in the Pick 2.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 11:00:54 AM
Asik is an interesting pick in the second round given Noah is already in Chicago
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 06, 2014, 11:02:57 AM
PM me if you have interest in Monroe, I don't expect him to be in Detroit past the end of this round
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
TRADE

Chicago Sends: Joakim Noah and 10.5
Portland Sends: 2.15 and 3.15
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 11:06:38 AM
TRADE

Chicago Sends: Joakim Noah and 10.5
Portland Sends: 2.15 and 3.15
Thought that Asik pick was a bit strange. Makes more sense now.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 11:12:54 AM
Love Noah next to Aldridge with Leonard and Lillard.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 06, 2014, 11:13:49 AM
Gay was bound to be picked sooner than later. Great complement to Dragic, Bledsoe, and Bogut.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 06, 2014, 11:15:52 AM
Gay was bound to be picked sooner than later. Great complement to Dragic, Bledsoe, and Bogut.

Needed another scorer, and there's only a couple out there plus him that I see available.

Plus, the fact that he's shooting efficiently now as a third wheel sold me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 11:17:50 AM
Lillard-Leonard-Aldridge-Noah is frightening.

EDIT: filling out the bench might be hard though.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 06, 2014, 11:18:58 AM
Love Noah next to Aldridge with Leonard and Lillard.

Thank you. I'm very excited about the core of my squad thus far. Exciting to watch, compliment each other well, and can not only contend this season but for the next 6 to 7 years as well.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Who on March 06, 2014, 11:23:24 AM
Phoenix is another team that could put together a great running team.

Two PG system. Bledsoe and Dragic. Slide Rudy Gay over to PF. Bogut in the paint to provide interior defense and rebounding (help balance out the smaller quicker side). Bring in another shooter and athlete at SF. Run and gun. All day long.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 11:27:02 AM
I'm interested to hear why Chicago moved Noah, though. He's having an MVP-type season.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 06, 2014, 11:30:50 AM
I'm interested to hear why Chicago moved Noah, though. He's having an MVP-type season.

Me too.

I mean other than the multiple round bumps.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: indeedproceed on March 06, 2014, 11:31:05 AM
I'm interested to hear why Chicago moved Noah, though. He's having an MVP-type season.

Yeah, Chi-town moved Noah for a 3rd and 4th round picks...not quite 'oh my god why did you do that' type of a deal but def not one that favors Chicago.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 06, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
Willing to move back in the 2nd or even out of it for players/later picks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 11:36:41 AM
I'm interested to hear why Chicago moved Noah, though. He's having an MVP-type season.

Yeah, Chi-town moved Noah for a 3rd and 4th round picks...not quite 'oh my god why did you do that' type of a deal but def not one that favors Chicago.

I felt the value was too good to pass up.

Noah is having an excellent season but Asik is the forgotten one. If he was off the board, I wasn't making the deal.

Noah is obviously superior offensively, but I consider them both elite defensively. Zach Randolph and Omer Asik is a very formidable frontcourt and I pick up an additional 2nd and additional 3rd to go with my additional 4th. With only 20 teams, I think those picks are quite valuable.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 11:36:54 AM
Fielding offers for David Lee and my 2nd.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 11:42:03 AM
I'm interested to hear why Chicago moved Noah, though. He's having an MVP-type season.

Yeah, Chi-town moved Noah for a 3rd and 4th round picks...not quite 'oh my god why did you do that' type of a deal but def not one that favors Chicago.
I would never have guessed that Noah could be had for that.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 11:47:19 AM
Matthews was someone I was looking at with the 11th pick to replace Gordon.

High quality round thus far.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 06, 2014, 11:48:30 AM
Ready to make my pick, but I'm going to wait 5 minutes to see if anyone wants to get in a last minute trade offer.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
I'm interested to hear why Chicago moved Noah, though. He's having an MVP-type season.

Yeah, Chi-town moved Noah for a 3rd and 4th round picks...not quite 'oh my god why did you do that' type of a deal but def not one that favors Chicago.
I would never have guessed that Noah could be had for that.

Not a popular move, eh?

This is my second time doing the Pick 2 so perhaps I misjudged the talent depth.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: indeedproceed on March 06, 2014, 11:58:38 AM
Love the pick of Hayward. Excellent.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 11:59:50 AM
Well done guys, my entire list for today is gone.

With centers disappearing in a hurry, I'll take the best healthy one left - Celtics draft Marcin Gortat to run the P+R with Rondo.
he was my second choice if Roy had snagged Vucevic
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 12:01:47 PM
Might need to leave a list with someone. Who can take it?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 06, 2014, 12:04:17 PM
TRADE

Chicago Sends: Joakim Noah and 10.5
Portland Sends: 2.15 and 3.15

Mmm, well, this trade looks a little one-sided.  We'll see after the picks, I suppose.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 12:04:19 PM
Ugh Hayward snatched up quicker than I thought...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 06, 2014, 12:05:43 PM
Ugh Hayward snatched up quicker than I thought...
I would trade him to you, send me a pm.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 12:07:24 PM
TRADE

Chicago Sends: Joakim Noah and 10.5
Portland Sends: 2.15 and 3.15

Mmm, well, this trade looks a little one-sided.  We'll see after the picks, I suppose.
waaaay lopsided for Chicago.  with Asik on Chi's roster, no need to way overpay to get Noah from them.  even without Asik, that's still too much for Noah.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 12:07:29 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 12:08:28 PM
Ugh Hayward snatched up quicker than I thought...
a bit early for him.  I see some better SFs out there still
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 06, 2014, 12:09:47 PM
I'd say Hayward is a SG. I think it was a solid pick at this stage. I knew he wasn't going to make it back to me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 12:10:17 PM
Was wondering when Kobe was going to get picked.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 12:11:00 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Who on March 06, 2014, 12:11:00 PM
Wes Matthews is a real nice fit in between Deron Williams and Carmelo Anthony.

That is a very impressive rotation.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 06, 2014, 12:12:22 PM
Ugh Hayward snatched up quicker than I thought...
a bit early for him.  I see some better SFs out there still
PM me who you think they are, because I don't see any available that I think have a better all around game.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.

I would of taken him at 2.15 lol

Best part, you don't have to pay him $24mill per year!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 06, 2014, 12:14:15 PM
Sorry who do I send a trade to get it confirmed?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 12:15:03 PM
Sorry who do I send a trade to get it confirmed?

Me
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 12:17:04 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.
Its an easy gamble and one I wouldn't make in the CB Draft but in the Pick 2, what is there to lose. If he comes back in 2014-15 and he is 20PPG, 5 APG, 5 RPG with a Kobe like efficiency, its a steal. If he doesn't make it back at all, I still have a solid young core to build off. If he makes it back in some capacity in between, we see.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 12:17:32 PM
TRADE

OKC sends Ty Lawson, 3.19
Detroit sends Greg Monroe, 3.9
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 12:19:38 PM
TRADE

OKC sends Ty Lawson, 3.19
Detroit sends Greg Monroe, 3.9
Given OKC HAD to move Lawson, that's quite the haul.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Evantime34 on March 06, 2014, 12:22:36 PM
TRADE

OKC sends Ty Lawson, 3.19
Detroit sends Greg Monroe, 3.9
Given OKC HAD to move Lawson, that's quite the haul.
People on Celticsblog criminally undervalue Monroe. I had to move him as well, because he throws a wrench into the system I am trying to run.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 12:22:42 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.
Its an easy gamble and one I wouldn't make in the CB Draft but in the Pick 2, what is there to lose. If he comes back in 2014-15 and he is 20PPG, 5 APG, 5 RPG with a Kobe like efficiency, its a steal. If he doesn't make it back at all, I still have a solid young core to build off. If he makes it back in some capacity in between, we see.
no disagreement there.  just thought that with his injury status, he would be a safer pick after someone had their starting lineup put together
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 06, 2014, 12:24:21 PM
I think that we're both pretty happy with that trade, which is the best kind of trade.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 12:24:28 PM
TRADE

OKC sends Ty Lawson, 3.19
Detroit sends Greg Monroe, 3.9
Given OKC HAD to move Lawson, that's quite the haul.
People on Celticsblog criminally undervalue Monroe. I had to move him as well, because he throws a wrench into the system I am trying to run.

I like it for OKC. They get to move up 10 spots and get the better player in the deal.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 06, 2014, 12:25:59 PM
TRADE

OKC sends Ty Lawson, 3.19
Detroit sends Greg Monroe, 3.9
Given OKC HAD to move Lawson, that's quite the haul.
People on Celticsblog criminally undervalue Monroe. I had to move him as well, because he throws a wrench into the system I am trying to run.

I like it for OKC. They get to move up 10 spots and get the better player in the deal.

I personally think that Lawson is better, but I'm certainly not upset to hear you say that.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 06, 2014, 12:28:31 PM
I was wondering when Manu would go.  Can he still play heavy minutes?  He's certainly good when he's out there.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Young Nick on March 06, 2014, 12:35:01 PM
He is definitely the most skilled wing player I could get. With Conley and Gasol, I expect his defensive shortcomings won't be as a big deal. He and Conley will play well off of each other because he is very comfortable with the ball in his hands and running the offense. Now we have 1-2-4 that can shoot the 3-ball and a team of willing and potent passers.

(That being said, he is very tradable, preferably for a wing drafted earlier in the second round.)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 12:35:25 PM
I would love you all if we could keep this moving. Have a meeting during my pick, but I can make it before then if everyone else before me goes.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 12:37:47 PM
I would love you all if we could keep this moving. Have a meeting during my pick, but I can make it before then if everyone else before me goes.

You can send me your list if need be. I'm going to be free for a couple hours.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 12:44:53 PM
Really anxious right now.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 06, 2014, 12:45:05 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.

I would of taken him at 2.15 lol

Best part, you don't have to pay him $24mill per year!

I love the Kobe pick. Nice work.

A lineup of

Kobe
Parsons
Davis
Jordan

is pretty sweet thus far.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 06, 2014, 12:46:25 PM
TRADE

OKC sends Ty Lawson, 3.19
Detroit sends Greg Monroe, 3.9
Given OKC HAD to move Lawson, that's quite the haul.
People on Celticsblog criminally undervalue Monroe. I had to move him as well, because he throws a wrench into the system I am trying to run.

I like it for OKC. They get to move up 10 spots and get the better player in the deal.

I like it for OKC too. I am just not a Lawson fan... I really cant give a reason why but I've never valued him  very high. If I didn't have Aldridge I would have bit on the Monroe offering.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 12:47:58 PM
Go Chicago!!!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 12:51:40 PM
Go Chicago!!!

Give me 10 I'm making lunch!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 12:52:46 PM
Go Chicago!!!

Give me 10 I'm making lunch!

Wow... don't you have a personal chef or something? C'mon man
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 01:02:35 PM
Go Chicago!!!

Give me 10 I'm making lunch!

Wow... don't you have a personal chef or something? C'mon man

There ya go. Pick's in.

And why would I hire a personal chef? I have a culinary arts degree  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 01:03:55 PM
Psyched I was able to pick up Pierce this late in the round. Had Pierce, Green, and Ariza at the top of my list, in that order.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 01:07:28 PM
Psyched I was able to pick up Pierce this late in the round. Had Pierce, Green, and Ariza at the top of my list, in that order.

Surprised you had Pierce rated over Green and Ariza
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 06, 2014, 01:07:56 PM
All these Bruins getting picked, and none of them to the Clippers.  :'(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Merovech on March 06, 2014, 01:08:57 PM
Psyched I was able to pick up Pierce this late in the round. Had Pierce, Green, and Ariza at the top of my list, in that order.

Yeah, seeing Johnson going before both Ariza and Pierce was a surprise.  I think that Ariza is the best of the three, btw. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 01:09:45 PM
Psyched I was able to pick up Pierce this late in the round. Had Pierce, Green, and Ariza at the top of my list, in that order.

Surprised you had Pierce rated over Green and Ariza

I still consider Pierce being a better player than Green and Ariza right now. I also would trust Pierce more at the end of games than those two.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 06, 2014, 01:11:03 PM
Oh, and just to be clear to everyone, I'm probably not going to draft until close to my deadline, as I will be busy from 1:30 to ~2:45.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 01:12:22 PM
Absolutely psyched I got Thad Young. I think he's a great third guy in an already strong front court with George and Hibbert. Strong defense, athleticism, and can hit a three every now and then.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 01:17:13 PM
Psyched I was able to pick up Pierce this late in the round. Had Pierce, Green, and Ariza at the top of my list, in that order.

Surprised you had Pierce rated over Green and Ariza

I still consider Pierce being a better player than Green and Ariza right now. I also would trust Pierce more at the end of games than those two.

Interesting. Reputation would certainly side with you on Pierce being more clutch, but I think Ariza's reputation as a "3&D" guy hurts him a little.

He's having an excellent season averaging 15 points, 6.4 rebounds, and nearly 2 steals a game while shooting 46/43/79.

I thought about Pierce but ultimately sided with Ariza.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 01:18:17 PM
Psyched I was able to pick up Pierce this late in the round. Had Pierce, Green, and Ariza at the top of my list, in that order.

Surprised you had Pierce rated over Green and Ariza

I still consider Pierce being a better player than Green and Ariza right now. I also would trust Pierce more at the end of games than those two.

Interesting. Reputation would certainly side with you on Pierce being more clutch, but I think Ariza's reputation as a "3&D" guy hurts him a little.

He's having an excellent season averaging 15 points, 6.4 rebounds, and nearly 2 steals a game while shooting 46/43/79.

I thought about Pierce but ultimately sided with Ariza.

Yep, can't go wrong with either guys. If you picked Pierce, I would have snagged Ariza.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 01:18:30 PM
If anybody wants to leave a list, I'll be available for most of the day.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 06, 2014, 01:20:12 PM
Absolutely psyched I got Thad Young. I think he's a great third guy in an already strong front court with George and Hibbert. Strong defense, athleticism, and can hit a three every now and then.

Pretty good pick at that spot. I was tempted to take him back at 1.15. Surprised he lasted this long.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 01:26:05 PM
Absolutely psyched I got Thad Young. I think he's a great third guy in an already strong front court with George and Hibbert. Strong defense, athleticism, and can hit a three every now and then.

Pretty good pick at that spot. I was tempted to take him back at 1.15. Surprised he lasted this long.

Yeah, Thad's a great fit. Miami and Indiana are likely going to be even better than their RL teams, which is scary.

The talent going into the 3rd round is still quite high.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 01:35:36 PM
Psyched I was able to pick up Pierce this late in the round. Had Pierce, Green, and Ariza at the top of my list, in that order.

Yeah, seeing Johnson going before both Ariza and Pierce was a surprise.  I think that Ariza is the best of the three, btw.
I'd have been surprised if it had happened the other way around.  Was hoping JJ's rep had taken enough of a hit this year that he'd slide to the next round.  so much for that.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 06, 2014, 01:57:43 PM
The 3.1 is on the block.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: fitzhickey on March 06, 2014, 03:04:37 PM
Hopefully Fitz didn't fall back asleep again lol

It's 1:30AM for the Aussie right now.
Sorry guys. I'll just be pm'ing a list to AB now.

I was doing homework until like 12:30 and fell asleep lol
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 06, 2014, 03:15:05 PM
Like the Favors pick. Good fit with Monroe.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 06, 2014, 03:18:44 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 03:24:27 PM
Like the Favors pick. Good fit with Monroe.
had Favors as my #3 this round (initially my #1).  was hoping we would continue to be overlooked.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 06, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
The 3.1 is on the block.
I'll swap 3.2 for it  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Kobe2684 on March 06, 2014, 03:27:42 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.
The more the Lakers continue to tank, the less it looks like Kobe's gonna come back this year. They're trying to get a top 3 pick. And boy do they need it.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: celticpride07 on March 06, 2014, 03:29:34 PM
I will make my  pick when I get home from guys 2.20 ..also willing to take trade offers for it
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 03:30:27 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.
The more the Lakers continue to tank, the less it looks like Kobe's gonna come back this year. They're trying to get a top 3 pick. And boy do they need it.
I thought about Kobe, but all the recent reports indicate he is not coming back this year and given his age and just how long he is going to miss (plus how bad he looked in the 6 games he played this year), I just couldn't justify him until at least the 3rd round and then I probably would have passed.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 03:30:53 PM
I will make my  pick when I get home from guys 2.20 ..also willing to take trade offers for it
I messaged you an offer.  Let me know when you get a chance.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 06, 2014, 03:43:02 PM
Check your PMs, Enzzo.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 04:02:07 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.
The more the Lakers continue to tank, the less it looks like Kobe's gonna come back this year. They're trying to get a top 3 pick. And boy do they need it.
I thought about Kobe, but all the recent reports indicate he is not coming back this year and given his age and just how long he is going to miss (plus how bad he looked in the 6 games he played this year), I just couldn't justify him until at least the 3rd round and then I probably would have passed.
Here's the way I looked at things.

1. Within a very short time of this draft starting Miami had their Big 3 back together and probably would be able to get a better surrounding cast than the IRL Heat. So trying to go for best team this year was going to be an effort in futility.

2. On this site, drafting Kobe is usually going to get you grief. If this was a more competitive draft, I don't choose Kobe. I hate Kobe. Respect his game and know he is a winner but a Kobe team has to be Kobe-centric and its just hard to defend if your heart isn't into it.

3. With Parsons, Davis and Jordan already in place and knowing Kobe wouldn't be back this year, I decided to "go for it all" in 2015 by locking Kobe up now and hopefully building a team that when he is added to it and healthy, makes them an instant contender. By all accounts, Davis will be a top 5 player in this league for a long time. He is still the cornerstone of the franchise but if Kobe can come back as Kobe with Davis having another year to develop, then wow!! Kobe might have a shot at title 6.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: KGs Knee on March 06, 2014, 04:17:24 PM
Here's the way I looked at things.


2. On this site, drafting Kobe is usually going to get you grief. If this was a more competitive draft, I don't choose Kobe. I hate Kobe. Respect his game and know he is a winner but a Kobe team has to be Kobe-centric and its just hard to defend if your heart isn't into it.

Tell me about it.

Kobe is a jerk, and that's being nice.  Defending him is difficult, and lord knows I've had plenty of opportunity in the current and past.  I kind of wish he'd just go away.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 06, 2014, 04:30:01 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.
The more the Lakers continue to tank, the less it looks like Kobe's gonna come back this year. They're trying to get a top 3 pick. And boy do they need it.
I thought about Kobe, but all the recent reports indicate he is not coming back this year and given his age and just how long he is going to miss (plus how bad he looked in the 6 games he played this year), I just couldn't justify him until at least the 3rd round and then I probably would have passed.
Here's the way I looked at things.

1. Within a very short time of this draft starting Miami had their Big 3 back together and probably would be able to get a better surrounding cast than the IRL Heat. So trying to go for best team this year was going to be an effort in futility.

This is kind of how I feel.

Both Miami and Indiana have their "Big 3's" locked up and will likely be able to add better talent to those teams.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 04:37:09 PM
Okay there's just no denying that one player left has more talent than any other. I have a strong core. If he gets healthy.....

Okay gonna drop the bomb.
very optimistic he's going to make it back nevermind back to what he once was.
The more the Lakers continue to tank, the less it looks like Kobe's gonna come back this year. They're trying to get a top 3 pick. And boy do they need it.
I thought about Kobe, but all the recent reports indicate he is not coming back this year and given his age and just how long he is going to miss (plus how bad he looked in the 6 games he played this year), I just couldn't justify him until at least the 3rd round and then I probably would have passed.
Here's the way I looked at things.

1. Within a very short time of this draft starting Miami had their Big 3 back together and probably would be able to get a better surrounding cast than the IRL Heat. So trying to go for best team this year was going to be an effort in futility.

This is kind of how I feel.

Both Miami and Indiana have their "Big 3's" locked up and will likely be able to add better talent to those teams.
well sure, but all the other teams are also a lot better and I'm not sure I'd call Stephenson a "big" 3 and Wade is no where near the player he once was. 

Kobe is just too big a question mark especially given his age.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 06, 2014, 04:43:50 PM
Lillard, Leonard, Aldridge, Noah is my fav core right now.  Really like the balance there.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: nickagneta on March 06, 2014, 04:44:19 PM


Kobe is just too big a question mark especially given his age.
Probably.

But if he does come back strong this team is very strong and if not, my guess is even without Kobe I will be able to put a better team on the floor than the IRL Pelicans.

I look at it this way, Gordon or Kobe? I don't like either player but healthy Kobe makes this team a contender, Gordon doesn't.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 04:45:22 PM
I'm not sure I'd call Stephenson a "big" 3

Kinda biased here, but I would. 14 pts, 7.5 reb, 5 ast on nearly 50% shooting and with elite defense. I'm a firm Lance believer and think he should have been an all-star.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 04:52:14 PM


Kobe is just too big a question mark especially given his age.
Probably.

But if he does come back strong this team is very strong and if not, my guess is even without Kobe I will be able to put a better team on the floor than the IRL Pelicans.

I look at it this way, Gordon or Kobe? I don't like either player but healthy Kobe makes this team a contender, Gordon doesn't.
I just don't see it for a 36 year old wing in his 18th year in the league coming off a year lost to injury.  I would be absolutely floored if Kobe is anything close to a good player again (nonetheless great).  He was never a great outside shooter and has been losing a step defensively for years, and that was before the injury.  Just don't see him as a real piece and I'm much happier to have Gordon than Bryant, both for this year, and every single year thereafter. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 05:41:56 PM
Rosters thread should be updated properly, but check my work just in case.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=69983.0
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 06, 2014, 06:44:41 PM
Rosters thread should be updated properly, but check my work just in case.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=69983.0

Looks great, well done, and thanks for this.


Only thing I see is Monroe is no longer on the Pistons. TP to you sir.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: GENERAL COMMENTARY
Post by: Moranis on March 06, 2014, 07:23:52 PM
I'm not sure I'd call Stephenson a "big" 3

Kinda biased here, but I would. 14 pts, 7.5 reb, 5 ast on nearly 50% shooting and with elite defense. I'm a firm Lance believer and think he should have been an all-star.
The defense definitely ups him from a lot of other "3" of big 3's, but I just can't compare him to say Ray Allen, Chris Bosh, or an in prime Andrew Bynum from the most recent big 3's. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 06, 2014, 08:18:45 PM
Eric Gordon isn't a good player; he's basically the rich man's Nate Robinson.   He is shooting uncharacteristically great from the 3 and still isn't very efficient offensively, and his being on the court transforms the Pelicans from a top-10 defense to by far the Association's worst.  In addition, he is a constant injury risk.  I don't think that Kobe will ever be the same again, and he might not even be an average player anymore, but I'd be surprised if he returns as a worse player the Gordon.  In my opinion, the Eric Gordon of old is as much a thing of the past as the Kobe Bryant of yore.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 06, 2014, 08:29:55 PM
Brook Lopez is a great pick for the future.  I'm really surprised that's rebuilding or younger team didn't pick him earlier.  I was tempted to do so, to tell the truth.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 06, 2014, 08:35:51 PM
Lillard, Leonard, Aldridge, Noah is my fav core right now.  Really like the balance there.

Was just going to say this too.  Lots of good teams out there, but this one has a very good start to it.

My team is interesting so far.  Like the offense/defensive mix of A Jefferson and Faried with a solid backcourt with Beal and Wall.  Would love to stick Durant in the middle of that. Ha
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 06, 2014, 08:42:35 PM
A heads-up:

From tomorrow afternoon until Sunday morning I will be participating in a philanthropy event at my university. There is no drafting going on, so that won't be a problem, but any trades will have to be processed by BleedGreen1989 or KGs Knee. Please PM them if you want to do a trade over the weekend.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 06, 2014, 08:57:47 PM
Brook Lopez is a great pick for the future.  I'm really surprised that's rebuilding or younger team didn't pick him earlier.  I was tempted to do so, to tell the truth.

It's hard when a player gets recurring injuries.

Trust me, from a guy who defended Andrew Bogut a ton (and he doesnt have recurring injuries), that's a big blow on any CB Draft team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 06, 2014, 09:07:35 PM
Lillard, Leonard, Aldridge, Noah is my fav core right now.  Really like the balance there.

Was just going to say this too.  Lots of good teams out there, but this one has a very good start to it.

My team is interesting so far.  Like the offense/defensive mix of A Jefferson and Faried with a solid backcourt with Beal and Wall.  Would love to stick Durant in the middle of that. Ha

Thanks Fellahs. Off to a good start, see what I can do in the later rounds to fill it out.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 06, 2014, 09:56:47 PM
Love Portland's team. Kinda jealous. Always wanted to pair Noah next to Love or Aldridge.

Oh wait, I did pair Love and Noah in the CB draft two years ago.  :P 2nd round exit...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 06, 2014, 10:37:24 PM
So there is no snake drafting for Pick 2? I just realized my pick is at 245 every day, and that's the worst possible time for me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 06:49:28 AM
Eric Gordon isn't a good player; he's basically the rich man's Nate Robinson.   He is shooting uncharacteristically great from the 3 and still isn't very efficient offensively, and his being on the court transforms the Pelicans from a top-10 defense to by far the Association's worst.  In addition, he is a constant injury risk.  I don't think that Kobe will ever be the same again, and he might not even be an average player anymore, but I'd be surprised if he returns as a worse player the Gordon.  In my opinion, the Eric Gordon of old is as much a thing of the past as the Kobe Bryant of yore.
Eric Gordon's career TS% is 56.2%.  Paul Pierce for his career is 56.8%.  Nate Robinson is 53.6% for his career.  Gordon was less efficient the last two years with the injury and struggled a bit early this year, but he is getting back to his pre-injury form (it takes awhile when you are injured), which is nothing like what you are describing.  Defensively he is still a bit slower than he was and he was never great defensively, but your assessment of his overall game clearly does not match reality.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 07, 2014, 07:06:14 AM
Eric Gordon isn't a good player; he's basically the rich man's Nate Robinson.   He is shooting uncharacteristically great from the 3 and still isn't very efficient offensively, and his being on the court transforms the Pelicans from a top-10 defense to by far the Association's worst.  In addition, he is a constant injury risk.  I don't think that Kobe will ever be the same again, and he might not even be an average player anymore, but I'd be surprised if he returns as a worse player the Gordon.  In my opinion, the Eric Gordon of old is as much a thing of the past as the Kobe Bryant of yore.
Eric Gordon's career TS% is 56.2%.  Paul Pierce for his career is 56.8%.  Nate Robinson is 53.6% for his career.  Gordon was less efficient the last two years with the injury and struggled a bit early this year, but he is getting back to his pre-injury form (it takes awhile when you are injured), which is nothing like what you are describing.  Defensively he is still a bit slower than he was and he was never great defensively, but your assessment of his overall game clearly does not match reality.

It's a shame how things of gone lately for Eric Gordon because he really had everything you want in a 2nd scoring option at the SG position.

A terrific long distance jump-shooter. A strong dribble drive threat who can get into the paint and finish around the basket. Got to the FT line at a high clip (6-7 FTAs a game). Had very good ball-handling ability. Turned himself into a well above average and good secondary creator on the perimeter. Very tough in the pick and roll and in transition.

Eric Gordon had the whole package (offensively). All those key areas you want in today's game with the absence of hand-checking on the perimeter and the growing importance of spacing.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 08:02:17 AM
Eric Gordon isn't a good player; he's basically the rich man's Nate Robinson.   He is shooting uncharacteristically great from the 3 and still isn't very efficient offensively, and his being on the court transforms the Pelicans from a top-10 defense to by far the Association's worst.  In addition, he is a constant injury risk.  I don't think that Kobe will ever be the same again, and he might not even be an average player anymore, but I'd be surprised if he returns as a worse player the Gordon.  In my opinion, the Eric Gordon of old is as much a thing of the past as the Kobe Bryant of yore.
Eric Gordon's career TS% is 56.2%.  Paul Pierce for his career is 56.8%.  Nate Robinson is 53.6% for his career.  Gordon was less efficient the last two years with the injury and struggled a bit early this year, but he is getting back to his pre-injury form (it takes awhile when you are injured), which is nothing like what you are describing.  Defensively he is still a bit slower than he was and he was never great defensively, but your assessment of his overall game clearly does not match reality.

It's a shame how things of gone lately for Eric Gordon because he really had everything you want in a 2nd scoring option at the SG position.

A terrific long distance jump-shooter. A strong dribble drive threat who can get into the paint and finish around the basket. Got to the FT line at a high clip (6-7 FTAs a game). Had very good ball-handling ability. Turned himself into a well above average and good secondary creator on the perimeter. Very tough in the pick and roll and in transition.

Eric Gordon had the whole package (offensively). All those key areas you want in today's game with the absence of hand-checking on the perimeter and the growing importance of spacing.
He is starting to get back to that form.  If he can avoid another injury there is a good chance he goes back to that (or at least close) especially given he is still a young guy.

And for the record Kobe's career TS% is 55.5% (or almost a percent lower than Gordon's).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 07, 2014, 08:05:55 AM
3.1 is still on the block.  We'd need to stay in the 3rd round to move it.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 08:37:43 AM
3.1 is still on the block.  We'd need to stay in the 3rd round to move it.
don't think I can help you as I don't see much benefit in moving up two spots.  If you want to move DeRozan I would have an interest in him however.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 07, 2014, 08:40:51 AM
So there is no snake drafting for Pick 2? I just realized my pick is at 245 every day, and that's the worst possible time for me.
hasn't been a snake-draft format since I've been playing the past few sessions.  Personally, I don't think it should be-->no reason the player that picks Miami should get both the 30th and 31st picks (or as the case would be this year, 20th and 21st).  the players getting the tail end of the team selection wouldn't really be able to put together a team on that level.

as for the time, I can sympathize.  I usually have to request a slot at the end so that it doesn't conflict with my schedule.  the organizers have bent over backwards in the past to accommodate time requests when given some notice.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 07, 2014, 08:41:35 AM
3.1 is still on the block.  We'd need to stay in the 3rd round to move it.
so my offer of 3.2 wasn't good enough for you?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 07, 2014, 08:59:50 AM
won't be available when I need to pick (3.2)-- sent picks to AB. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 07, 2014, 09:54:25 AM
Finalizing a trade... 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 07, 2014, 09:58:15 AM
Eric Gordon isn't a good player; he's basically the rich man's Nate Robinson.   He is shooting uncharacteristically great from the 3 and still isn't very efficient offensively, and his being on the court transforms the Pelicans from a top-10 defense to by far the Association's worst.  In addition, he is a constant injury risk.  I don't think that Kobe will ever be the same again, and he might not even be an average player anymore, but I'd be surprised if he returns as a worse player the Gordon.  In my opinion, the Eric Gordon of old is as much a thing of the past as the Kobe Bryant of yore.
Eric Gordon's career TS% is 56.2%.  Paul Pierce for his career is 56.8%.  Nate Robinson is 53.6% for his career.  Gordon was less efficient the last two years with the injury and struggled a bit early this year, but he is getting back to his pre-injury form (it takes awhile when you are injured), which is nothing like what you are describing.  Defensively he is still a bit slower than he was and he was never great defensively, but your assessment of his overall game clearly does not match reality.

I was probably too harsh on him offensively, since he is still recovering, as you say, and he is a decent offensive player right now, but he was a terrible defender even pre-injury, the kind that can't easily be masked.  I think that he'd be a great bench player, and I should have said that originally.  Perhaps his overall game would be better with better non-Davis teammates.  He's not a lose-now pick-up, by any means, I just don't think that he's great.  I really should have said "isn't a good starter", not "isn't a good player."  I stand by the fact that I think that he's a bad starter, however.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 07, 2014, 09:59:51 AM
Finalizing a trade...

So have you taken over for Fitz Roy?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 07, 2014, 10:00:53 AM
A heads-up:

From tomorrow afternoon until Sunday morning I will be participating in a philanthropy event at my university. There is no drafting going on, so that won't be a problem, but any trades will have to be processed by BleedGreen1989 or KGs Knee. Please PM them if you want to do a trade over the weekend.

Well that sure is a fancy way of saying "I'll be at the college's checkers club bake sale".  ;)

I should be around for most of this afternoon and the weekend to accept trades.  I'll be logging off in a few to get some much needed sleep, but will be back this afternoon.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 07, 2014, 10:03:36 AM
Finalizing a trade...

So have you taken over for Fitz Roy?

Nope.  Fitz is still running the show.  Send any correspondence to both of us.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 07, 2014, 10:04:11 AM
Trade

Raptors trade:  3.1, 6.1
Thunder trade: 3.9, 4.19
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 07, 2014, 10:08:44 AM
Gonna make slamtheking's 3.2 pick in a minute or so.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 07, 2014, 10:10:22 AM
Taj Gibson

Great pick.  He was #1 on my draft board.  (Not necessarily Fitz's).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 07, 2014, 10:11:53 AM
slamtheking takes Kevin Martin

Dangit. Fan of this pick as well... Two strong picks to start "round three".
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 07, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Taj Gibson

Great pick.  He was #1 on my draft board.  (Not necessarily Fitz's).

Yeah, love this pick.

Him and Monroe compliment each other very well.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 10:12:59 AM
Eric Gordon isn't a good player; he's basically the rich man's Nate Robinson.   He is shooting uncharacteristically great from the 3 and still isn't very efficient offensively, and his being on the court transforms the Pelicans from a top-10 defense to by far the Association's worst.  In addition, he is a constant injury risk.  I don't think that Kobe will ever be the same again, and he might not even be an average player anymore, but I'd be surprised if he returns as a worse player the Gordon.  In my opinion, the Eric Gordon of old is as much a thing of the past as the Kobe Bryant of yore.
Eric Gordon's career TS% is 56.2%.  Paul Pierce for his career is 56.8%.  Nate Robinson is 53.6% for his career.  Gordon was less efficient the last two years with the injury and struggled a bit early this year, but he is getting back to his pre-injury form (it takes awhile when you are injured), which is nothing like what you are describing.  Defensively he is still a bit slower than he was and he was never great defensively, but your assessment of his overall game clearly does not match reality.

I was probably too harsh on him offensively, since he is still recovering, as you say, and he is a decent offensive player right now, but he was a terrible defender even pre-injury, the kind that can't easily be masked.  I think that he'd be a great bench player, and I should have said that originally.  Perhaps his overall game would be better with better non-Davis teammates.  He's not a lose-now pick-up, by any means, I just don't think that he's great.  I really should have said "isn't a good starter", not "isn't a good player."  I stand by the fact that I think that he's a bad starter, however.
Fair enough.  The way I looked at the trade for Gordon, was that I would have taken Parsons (who nick actually selected), who is a worse shooter and is actually older than Gordon.  I also got to move up about 15 spots in the 7th round, which I think has some decent value.  I also realized there were plenty of similar SF's to Parsons out there (granted a few of them went later yesterday), but not very many good SG's so I saw it as value all around.  I get the younger player, the much better shooter and ball handler, at a much less deep position, and I get to move up in the depth building rounds (and it isn't like Parsons is a good defender either).  Seemed like an easy trade to make for me. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 07, 2014, 10:15:17 AM
Made my pick.  Worried tht it's a mistake to pick him over a shooting guard, but im also worried that the moat enticing shooting gaurd is a flash-in-the-pan.  There are a few shooting guards with whom I would still be comfortable starting,, though none might be there by the time I pick again.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 07, 2014, 10:16:21 AM
Gonna make slamtheking's 3.2 pick in a minute or so.
thanks AB - TP for covering for me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 07, 2014, 10:16:44 AM
slamtheking takes Kevin Martin

Dangit. Fan of this pick as well... Two strong picks to start "round three".
Thank you -- I aim to please  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 07, 2014, 10:17:32 AM
Made my pick.  Worried tht it's a mistake to pick him over a shooting guard, but im also worried that the moat enticing shooting gaurd is a flash-in-the-pan.  There are a few shooting guards with whom I would still be comfortable starting,, though none might be there by the time I pick again.

Gibson is basically going to be Ibaka-lite for you.  Great fit.

If you can move Favors for a top-tier shooting guard, I wouldn't fault you there.  If not, I think there's decent SG depth.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 07, 2014, 10:18:16 AM
Made my pick.  Worried tht it's a mistake to pick him over a shooting guard, but im also worried that the moat enticing shooting gaurd is a flash-in-the-pan.  There are a few shooting guards with whom I would still be comfortable starting,, though none might be there by the time I pick again.
there were plenty of good SGs on the board that aren't a flash in the pan.  I like the Gibson pick but agree your backcourt needs some bodies.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 10:19:02 AM
contemplating my selection.  Have a couple of guys I am tossing around.  Will select in a minute or two.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 07, 2014, 10:21:08 AM

Phew.  Glad to hear that you guys liked the pick. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 07, 2014, 10:32:56 AM
Eric Gordon isn't a good player; he's basically the rich man's Nate Robinson.   He is shooting uncharacteristically great from the 3 and still isn't very efficient offensively, and his being on the court transforms the Pelicans from a top-10 defense to by far the Association's worst.  In addition, he is a constant injury risk.  I don't think that Kobe will ever be the same again, and he might not even be an average player anymore, but I'd be surprised if he returns as a worse player the Gordon.  In my opinion, the Eric Gordon of old is as much a thing of the past as the Kobe Bryant of yore.
Eric Gordon's career TS% is 56.2%.  Paul Pierce for his career is 56.8%.  Nate Robinson is 53.6% for his career.  Gordon was less efficient the last two years with the injury and struggled a bit early this year, but he is getting back to his pre-injury form (it takes awhile when you are injured), which is nothing like what you are describing.  Defensively he is still a bit slower than he was and he was never great defensively, but your assessment of his overall game clearly does not match reality.

I was probably too harsh on him offensively, since he is still recovering, as you say, and he is a decent offensive player right now, but he was a terrible defender even pre-injury, the kind that can't easily be masked.  I think that he'd be a great bench player, and I should have said that originally.  Perhaps his overall game would be better with better non-Davis teammates.  He's not a lose-now pick-up, by any means, I just don't think that he's great.  I really should have said "isn't a good starter", not "isn't a good player."  I stand by the fact that I think that he's a bad starter, however.
Fair enough.  The way I looked at the trade for Gordon, was that I would have taken Parsons (who nick actually selected), who is a worse shooter and is actually older than Gordon.  I also got to move up about 15 spots in the 7th round, which I think has some decent value.  I also realized there were plenty of similar SF's to Parsons out there (granted a few of them went later yesterday), but not very many good SG's so I saw it as value all around.  I get the younger player, the much better shooter and ball handler, at a much less deep position, and I get to move up in the depth building rounds (and it isn't like Parsons is a good defender either).  Seemed like an easy trade to make for me.

Okay, that makes sense.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 10:37:18 AM
Definitely had to start taking some defenders as my team sorely need them.  Butler is pretty young and has shown a great instinct defensively.  I also like the versatility in that he can play and guard both SF's and SG's.  Still have some work to do, but I like how my team is shaping up.

Thomas
Gordon
Butler
Nowitzki
Cousins

Should be a force offensively.  I definitely need to get a rim protector and another guard/wing defender for the bench, but I like how this team is shaping up.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 10:38:52 AM
I guess it's to much wishful thinking that Taj Gibson will fall.

Great pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 07, 2014, 10:38:59 AM
Looking to buy an additional third. Offering my 4th and 5th for a 3rd and later pick. PM me!!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 07, 2014, 10:44:04 AM
Looking to buy an additional third. Offering my 4th and 5th for a 3rd and later pick. PM me!!

Never mind. J-Crossover went.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
Will pick soon, just looking over the list.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 11:01:21 AM
Really considered Holiday even though I had a PG and no SF, as I thought he was the best player available.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 07, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Very surprised to see a couple guys still lingering out there.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 11:04:49 AM
Really considered Holiday even though I had a PG and no SF, as I thought he was the best player available.

It all came down to defense. Dragic and Bledsoe to me are a little too small.

Not that Holiday is big, but he's long enough to cover SG's. And with those three rotation the Guard spots, there's plenty of ball handling, running and distributing.

And with Bogut's passing to add, Rudy Gay is going to be so happy.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 07, 2014, 11:04:50 AM
I think OKC should start Taj Gibson at PF and use Derrick Favors as a PF/C 6th man.

D.Favors and T.Gibson would be a nice defensive combo when G.Monroe rests.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 11:17:53 AM
Really considered Holiday even though I had a PG and no SF, as I thought he was the best player available.

It all came down to defense. Dragic and Bledsoe to me are a little too small.

Not that Holiday is big, but he's long enough to cover SG's. And with those three rotation the Guard spots, there's plenty of ball handling, running and distributing.

And with Bogut's passing to add, Rudy Gay is going to be so happy.
Yeah that is why I was struggling with that selection and took a bit longer than normal.  I had Butler, Holiday, and one other guy that I just kept flip flopping with.  Ultimately I took the strong defender in an unfilled position, but it was a tough call.  I have a couple of guys I am hoping live through the day so that I can pick them up and really start putting together a championship level team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 07, 2014, 11:27:07 AM
Very surprised to see a couple guys still lingering out there.
me too.  had several players rated higher than some taken already.  with luck at least one will slide to me in the next round.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 07, 2014, 11:33:09 AM
Pelicans select Victor Oladipo

Just don't say anything nice about him, or IP will never shut up about it.

 ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 11:33:53 AM
Word in Phoenix is Eric Bledsoe and Jrue Holiday are playing for the staring other guard spot.

As per multiple sources, they decided that they would determine the starter by whoever is going to beat the other Marvel vs Capcom 3.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 07, 2014, 11:37:20 AM
Thoughts on this front court?

C: Pau Gasol
PF: Ryan Anderson
SF: Josh Smith

The knee jerk reaction is, "Smith sucks as a SF".  I don't think that's true, though.  Rather, it's "Smith sucks when he's relied on to provide spacing".

Smith can succeed at SF.  However, he can't succeed when his starting bigs can't play more than 5 feet away from the basket.  If you free up space for him -- like Ryan Anderson will do -- he's still an excellent player.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 07, 2014, 11:37:29 AM
Good pick by the Pelicans. Oladipo is the rookie of the year, IMO.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
Pelicans select Victor Oladipo

Just don't say anything nice about him, or IP will never shut up about it.

 ;D
Living in Tampa now I watch a lot of Magic basketball. Can't help but be a fan of the kid.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Evantime34 on March 07, 2014, 11:38:27 AM
Word in Phoenix is Eric Bledsoe and Jrue Holiday are playing for the staring other guard spot.

As per multiple sources, they decided that they would determine the starter by whoever is going to beat the other Marvel vs Capcom 3.
The Modern day Minnesota T-Wolves draft every point guard possible.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 07, 2014, 11:39:07 AM
Can someone take my list? While on that note, is there anyone that can take my list everyday at 245p?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Fafnir on March 07, 2014, 11:39:16 AM
Thoughts on this front court?

C: Pau Gasol
PF: Ryan Anderson
SF: Josh Smith

The knee jerk reaction is, "Smith sucks as a SF".  I don't think that's true, though.  Rather, it's "Smith sucks when he's relied on to provide spacing".

Smith can succeed at SF.  However, he can't succeed when his starting bigs can't play more than 5 feet away from the basket.  If you free up space for him -- like Ryan Anderson will do -- he's still an excellent player.
I don't like it defensively.

Josh Smith needs to be at PF to impact the game defensively. He can play the wing part time and against certain match ups. But overall he needs to be a 4.

I don't see Anderson being able to cover wings, so while offensively it'll work better than Detroit Smith at SF, I still don't like it.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 07, 2014, 11:42:03 AM
Thoughts on this front court?

C: Pau Gasol
PF: Ryan Anderson
SF: Josh Smith

The knee jerk reaction is, "Smith sucks as a SF".  I don't think that's true, though.  Rather, it's "Smith sucks when he's relied on to provide spacing".

Smith can succeed at SF.  However, he can't succeed when his starting bigs can't play more than 5 feet away from the basket.  If you free up space for him -- like Ryan Anderson will do -- he's still an excellent player.
I don't like it defensively.

Josh Smith needs to be at PF to impact the game defensively. He can play the wing part time and against certain match ups. But overall he needs to be a 4.

I don't see Anderson being able to cover wings, so while offensively it'll work better than Detroit Smith at SF, I still don't like it.

I agree, Smith's biggest defensive impact is at PF.  Still, I think he's a strong perimeter defender on SFs.

Pau is still a strong defender at center.  Anderson isn't a great perimeter defender, but I think that can be covered for.  Very few teams have big, mobile power forwards to give him trouble.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 11:43:24 AM
Word in Phoenix is Eric Bledsoe and Jrue Holiday are playing for the staring other guard spot.

As per multiple sources, they decided that they would determine the starter by whoever is going to beat the other Marvel vs Capcom 3.
The Modern day Minnesota T-Wolves draft every point guard possible.

Except we never drafted Jonny Flynn.  ;D

I guess it's safe to say his name, no?

He's too good to pass. I think we can run a 2 PG system with 3 high caliber PG's taking most of the minutes at the guard spots. Holiday is a capable defender at SG, shoots a solid percentage at the 3 (39%) so he's enough of a threat outside. Which is why he may get the starting nod.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 07, 2014, 11:45:26 AM
Thoughts on this front court?

C: Pau Gasol
PF: Ryan Anderson
SF: Josh Smith

The knee jerk reaction is, "Smith sucks as a SF".  I don't think that's true, though.  Rather, it's "Smith sucks when he's relied on to provide spacing".

Smith can succeed at SF.  However, he can't succeed when his starting bigs can't play more than 5 feet away from the basket.  If you free up space for him -- like Ryan Anderson will do -- he's still an excellent player.

Agreed

Josh Smith is a major post-up threat at the SF position. Very difficult for opponents. If you can create enough spacing to get him down there -- and R.Anderson + P.Gasol certainly can -- then J-Smith can wreck havoc inside. Good scrappy SF. Also a very good scorer in transition and on cuts. Can handle and pass the ball some too.

Strong defensive player + rebounder at the SF position also. Too often J.Smith's perimeter defense gets blamed for the bad defense being played by G.Monroe and A.Drummond. A strong defender on the perimeter although Pau + R.Anderson will have similar problems providing a strong enough interior help defense.

Overall, I like that combination ... although I would probably like it more with a natural SF instead of R.Anderson with J.Smith sliding over to PF to provide more shot-blocking and help defense around the basket. I think a jump-shooting SF with athleticism and quickness would give you better balance.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: celticpride07 on March 07, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
Looking to deal 3.20.for a pg
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 07, 2014, 12:56:14 PM
Can someone take my list? While on that note, is there anyone that can take my list everyday at 245p?

Scratch that. I'll be able to make my pick today, but is there someone available at this time slot for the future?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 07, 2014, 01:30:33 PM
Very surprised to see a couple guys still lingering out there.
me too.  had several players rated higher than some taken already.  with luck at least one will slide to me in the next round.

Again even so far this round, I'm surprised to see some of the names overlooked (one player in particular).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 01:31:01 PM
San Antonio is going to take Nene.

The way good PF's are thinning, I really itched on taking him at 3.6

But with Bogut and him, I don't think I can defend the injuries of those two combined.

But of course, skill wise, you can never go wrong.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 01:32:41 PM
Looking to deal 3.20.for a pg
Sent you a PM.  Let me know.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 07, 2014, 01:39:32 PM
San Antonio is going to take Nene.

The way good PF's are thinning, I really itched on taking him at 3.6

But with Bogut and him, I don't think I can defend the injuries of those two combined.

But of course, skill wise, you can never go wrong.

Yeah, the injury a real bummer. Not much point in adding an adding a guy who is out for the year to a soon to be 38 year old Tim Duncan.

I came pretty close to not taking Nene because of it but he is scheduled back in time for the playoffs so I figured it would be alright (well, hopefully!).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 07, 2014, 01:40:16 PM
Check PMs, Enzzo and celticpride07.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 07, 2014, 01:50:58 PM
Pick has been traded. Awaiting confirmation.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 07, 2014, 01:51:53 PM
About time Ashton Kutcher gets picked. I'd be so much more excited about the pick if CHI kept Noah. Korver thrives with great passing bigs, and neither ZBo or Asik fit the bill.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 07, 2014, 01:52:05 PM
Trade

HOU sends: 3.16, 5.16, 7.16
PHX sends: Eric Bledsoe, 8.6, 10.6
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 01:52:27 PM
Korver was the other guy I was thinking about with my pick this round.  Figured it was probably a bit too early to take a pure specialty player like him so I passed, but man can that guy shoot the rock.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 07, 2014, 01:55:08 PM
Bledsoe/Harden and Lee/Howard are great complements. I still can't help but wonder how much better this team would look if HOU opted for one of the many defensive-minded glue SFs on the board. At this stage in his career, Pierce's defense is very inadequate for a contender, and what he brings to the table on offense is severely subdued when you already have the likes of the other 4 in the lineup. He's really just a glorified three-point shooter on this team.

EDIT: Just realized Pierce was taken after the likes of Green and Ariza. I thought it was the other way around. There were still better alternatives on the board though, IMO.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2014, 02:00:09 PM
Pelicans happy with the first week of drafting.

3 possible future 1st team All-Defense players and a couple monster rebounders.

That's my type of team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 07, 2014, 02:00:37 PM
Huh, my third rates player this round is still available.  If anyone with one of the next few picks wants to talk trade, I'm willing to move some assets.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 07, 2014, 02:01:28 PM
Bledsoe/Harden and Lee/Howard are great complements. I still can't help but wonder how much better this team would look if HOU opted for one of the many defensive-minded glue SFs on the board. At this stage in his career, Pierce's defense is very inadequate for a contender, and what he brings to the table on offense is severely subdued when you already have the likes of the other 4 in the lineup. He's really just a glorified three-point shooter on this team.

EDIT: Just realized Pierce was taken after the likes of Green and Ariza. I thought it was the other way around. There were still better alternatives on the board though, IMO.

I don't see a better SF than Pierce on the board. Send me a message on who you think so I can get him next round.  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 07, 2014, 02:09:26 PM
I'll shop around my 3.17 before selecting.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 07, 2014, 02:18:05 PM
Starting with the Cs I was never gonna put a contender together.  But with

Rondo
Afflalo
G Green
Sullinger
Gortat

I'd love to watch this team play...offense.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 07, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
you guys are just being spiteful now, taking all my binkies before I can pick again.  thought for sure either Nene or KG would slip to the next round.    >:(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 07, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
I feel like KG and Lance would get along pretty well.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 07, 2014, 02:35:16 PM
Why are the Nets only playing KG 21mpg?

It seems crazy to play such an important player so little. It's not like their big man rotation is loaded with talent. No wonder they are not winning more games.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 07, 2014, 02:37:36 PM
Why are the Nets only playing KG 21mpg?

(http://carpetbaggery.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fathertime.gif)

They've already blown any chance at a high playoff seed, so they just want him to be able to contribute once they get in there.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 07, 2014, 02:38:42 PM
About time Ashton Kutcher gets picked. I'd be so much more excited about the pick if CHI kept Noah. Korver thrives with great passing bigs, and neither ZBo or Asik fit the bill.

Really would love to see Korver on my Portland squad. Knew he wouldnt drop much further than where he was drafted.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 02:41:40 PM
Why are the Nets only playing KG 21mpg?

It seems crazy to play such an important player so little. It's not like their big man rotation is loaded with talent. No wonder they are not winning more games.
Because KG is shot.  He is only shooting 44%, defensively has lost a couple of steps, etc.  He is still a solid rebounder and every once in awhile he looks like the KG of old, but most of the time he just looks old.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 07, 2014, 03:09:14 PM
Why are the Nets only playing KG 21mpg?

It seems crazy to play such an important player so little. It's not like their big man rotation is loaded with talent. No wonder they are not winning more games.
Because KG is shot.  He is only shooting 44%, defensively has lost a couple of steps, etc.  He is still a solid rebounder and every once in awhile he looks like the KG of old, but most of the time he just looks old.

On most teams KG doesn't make sense, but on a team that's already a contender, where he only has to contribute 25 minutes or so and bring the passion, he's a perfect fit.

If Indi's defense was top tier before, I don't know what to call it now.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 03:18:48 PM
Why are the Nets only playing KG 21mpg?

It seems crazy to play such an important player so little. It's not like their big man rotation is loaded with talent. No wonder they are not winning more games.
Because KG is shot.  He is only shooting 44%, defensively has lost a couple of steps, etc.  He is still a solid rebounder and every once in awhile he looks like the KG of old, but most of the time he just looks old.

On most teams KG doesn't make sense, but on a team that's already a contender, where he only has to contribute 25 minutes or so and bring the passion, he's a perfect fit.

If Indi's defense was top tier before, I don't know what to call it now.
Oh I agree.  I probably would have taken him next round here, but the reality is, KG just doesn't have much left.  Still a great bench player, especially in a format like this, but no where near the player he was even a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 07, 2014, 03:30:02 PM
This has nothing to do against celticspride and his draft choices with the Heat... But I just think its funny that my three least favorite players in the league are James, Wade, and Bosh...


My fourth is Brandon Jennings.

And my fifth is Brook Lopez.

So even though he has assembled a talented team, he has also assembled a team that would be extremely...EXTREMELY easy for me to root against.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 07, 2014, 03:32:19 PM
Why are the Nets only playing KG 21mpg?

It seems crazy to play such an important player so little. It's not like their big man rotation is loaded with talent. No wonder they are not winning more games.
Because KG is shot.  He is only shooting 44%, defensively has lost a couple of steps, etc.  He is still a solid rebounder and every once in awhile he looks like the KG of old, but most of the time he just looks old.

On most teams KG doesn't make sense, but on a team that's already a contender, where he only has to contribute 25 minutes or so and bring the passion, he's a perfect fit.

If Indi's defense was top tier before, I don't know what to call it now.
Oh I agree.  I probably would have taken him next round here, but the reality is, KG just doesn't have much left.  Still a great bench player, especially in a format like this, but no where near the player he was even a couple of years ago.

How many here actually think he will stick around next year and not retire after this one? Will he be guilted into staying since the Nets used so many picks to actually get him?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 03:41:33 PM
This has nothing to do against celticspride and his draft choices with the Heat... But I just think its funny that my three least favorite players in the league are James, Wade, and Bosh...


My fourth is Brandon Jennings.

And my fifth is Brook Lopez.

So even though he has assembled a talented team, he has also assembled a team that would be extremely...EXTREMELY easy for me to root against.
I don't really like Jennings on that team.  Just seems like an odd fit.  Lopez, IF healthy, is a great offensive player, but I think they could have used a healthy more defense oriented player there (especially someone that actually can rebound the ball). 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 07, 2014, 03:44:23 PM
Yeah, I agree that Jennings is a weird fit on that team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 03:51:03 PM
This has nothing to do against celticspride and his draft choices with the Heat... But I just think its funny that my three least favorite players in the league are James, Wade, and Bosh...


My fourth is Brandon Jennings.

And my fifth is Brook Lopez.

So even though he has assembled a talented team, he has also assembled a team that would be extremely...EXTREMELY easy for me to root against.
I don't really like Jennings on that team.  Just seems like an odd fit.  Lopez, IF healthy, is a great offensive player, but I think they could have used a healthy more defense oriented player there (especially someone that actually can rebound the ball).

I think Brandon Jennings is an odd fit anywhere he goes...  ;D

But I agree. LeBron and Wade could have handled the play making duties. No need for another player that makes his damage offensively by dominating the ball.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 07, 2014, 03:53:57 PM
How many here actually think he will stick around next year and not retire after this one? Will he be guilted into staying since the Nets used so many picks to actually get him?

KG will retire and Pierce will sign a one year vet min deal to play with the Celtics.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: celticpride07 on March 07, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
Yeah, I agree that Jennings is a weird fit on that team.

I'm drafting for talent right now will  probably be making some moves after
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 07, 2014, 04:21:33 PM
What are people's thoughts on going big for spot minutes?

PG: Stephenson
SG: George
SF: Young
PF: Garnett
C: Hibbert
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 07, 2014, 04:26:38 PM
What are people's thoughts on going big for spot minutes?

PG: Stephenson
SG: George
SF: Young
PF: Garnett
C: Hibbert
I think they struggle to get the ball into the half court.  Once there it is probably ok, but that will be a struggle.  I also think you are left open to a lot of the quicker lineups defensively.  Now a few minutes here and there you might have something, but it would be tough to roll that lineup for any extended period of time.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Phoenix after 3 rounds.

PG -    Jrue Holiday
SG -    Goran Dragic
SF -    Rudy Gay
PF -    Terrence Jones
C   -    Andrew Bogut

Holiday gets the defensive assignments against tall SG's or elite PG's. 

What are the Pick 2 Universe's thoughts?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 07, 2014, 04:37:38 PM
Phoenix after 3 rounds.

PG -    Jrue Holiday
SG -    Goran Dragic
SF -    Rudy Gay
PF -    Terrence Jones
C   -    Andrew Bogut

Holiday gets the defensive assignments against tall SG's or elite PG's. 

What are the Pick 2 Universe's thoughts?

This is an exciting team. Dragic is probably one of my favorite players in the league and if Jrue can get back to his all-star form, this is a sure fire playoff team.

Thoughts on Houston?
PG: Eric Bledsoe
SG: James Harden
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: David Lee
 C: Dwight Howard
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 04:54:41 PM
Phoenix after 3 rounds.

PG -    Jrue Holiday
SG -    Goran Dragic
SF -    Rudy Gay
PF -    Terrence Jones
C   -    Andrew Bogut

Holiday gets the defensive assignments against tall SG's or elite PG's. 

What are the Pick 2 Universe's thoughts?

This is an exciting team. Dragic is probably one of my favorite players in the league and if Jrue can get back to his all-star form, this is a sure fire playoff team.

Thoughts on Houston?
PG: Eric Bledsoe
SG: James Harden
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: David Lee
 C: Dwight Howard

Thought for a thought eh?

Houston is STAR STUDDED. There's no shortage in points here.

I worry defensively about Harden, Pierce and Lee though. Bledsoe can hold his own against opposing PG. But Dwight can only cover for someone so much. Covering from three guys might be tough.

Then again, it might be even tougher to outscore this team. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 07, 2014, 04:56:26 PM
Thoughts on Houston?
PG: Eric Bledsoe
SG: James Harden
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: David Lee
 C: Dwight Howard

Overall, this is probably my second favorite team. Better than the real life Rockets by a noticeable margin.

It's funny though that you took Lee earlier than I thought you should have, instead of a SF, but then was able to draft a solid SF the next round (proving me wrong).  But then you took the wrong SF.  There were a few better options.  This team would look much better with Ariza there.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 07, 2014, 04:59:47 PM
I know you guys hate my Noah trade but whatevs, YOLO, get over it, ect...

Derrick Rose
Kyle Korver
Trevor Ariza
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

Sixth Man: Jamal Crawford
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 07, 2014, 05:01:00 PM
What are people's thoughts on going big for spot minutes?

PG: Stephenson
SG: George
SF: Young
PF: Garnett
C: Hibbert

Um, need a PG.  Bring Young in off the bench.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 05:06:12 PM
I know you guys hate my Noah trade but whatevs, YOLO, get over it, ect...

Derrick Rose
Kyle Korver
Trevor Ariza
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

Sixth Man: Jamal Crawford

We hate it because you didnt trade him to us.

I'm on the fence on this team. On paper it looks like it'll be a tough team to beat. But Rose looks like he's having "recurring" knee issues and he's the only guy I see who can make plays for others. Well, Jamal can but doesnt normally do it.

Z-Bo will be solid in and out, and the defense is there. Korver is a very good team defender, he won't shut down anyone, but he knows his spots. Ariza and Asik can hold their own.

Of course you can still grab a PG in the next rounds, trade for one (wink, wink). It's a strong team. But it's as strong as Derrick Rose's ability to stay on the court. I think Noah couldve been a better fit, as he can play inside out with Randolph.

Without Rose, I think they are IRL Chicago but with a little less scoring. Will play tough, hard nosed D and will be tough to score against. But once Crawford and ZBo get's checked good, will have a tough time scoring either.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 07, 2014, 05:08:04 PM
Thoughts on Houston?
PG: Eric Bledsoe
SG: James Harden
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: David Lee
 C: Dwight Howard

Overall, this is probably my second favorite team. Better than the real life Rockets by a noticeable margin.

It's funny though that you took Lee earlier than I thought you should have, instead of a SF, but then was able to draft a solid SF the next round (proving me wrong).  But then you took the wrong SF.  There were a few better options.  This team would look much better with Ariza there.

Ariza was taken before my pick. Was seriously considering trading up for him, but I think Pierce will be fine.  He's still a very reliable starter even at this stage in his career.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 07, 2014, 05:21:15 PM
Thoughts on Houston?
PG: Eric Bledsoe
SG: James Harden
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: David Lee
 C: Dwight Howard

Overall, this is probably my second favorite team. Better than the real life Rockets by a noticeable margin.

It's funny though that you took Lee earlier than I thought you should have, instead of a SF, but then was able to draft a solid SF the next round (proving me wrong).  But then you took the wrong SF.  There were a few better options.  This team would look much better with Ariza there.

Ariza was taken before my pick. Was seriously considering trading up for him, but I think Pierce will be fine.  He's still a very reliable starter even at this stage in his career.

Ah yes, picked right before you.  I thought it was the other way around for some reason.  That sucks.

Pierce is still ok, but he's really fallen off.  Honestly, he's the 'weak link' in this lineup.  But at that point, it appears that was probably the best pick you could have made.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 07, 2014, 05:26:41 PM
What are people's thoughts on going big for spot minutes?

PG: Stephenson
SG: George
SF: Young
PF: Garnett
C: Hibbert

Not wild about it. I think KG and Hibbert would be useful together against bigger frontlines. But I think keeping Thad Young on the floor instead of a PG will hurt more than it will help. Make the offense too stagnant.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 07, 2014, 05:36:42 PM
What do people think of Toronto?
PG:Lowry
SG:DeRozan
SF:Josh Smith
PF:Ryan Anderson
C: Pau Gasol
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 07, 2014, 05:48:26 PM
Thoughts on Houston?
PG: Eric Bledsoe
SG: James Harden
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: David Lee
 C: Dwight Howard

Overall, this is probably my second favorite team. Better than the real life Rockets by a noticeable margin.

In a 20 team league if any team doesn't look better than their NBA equivalent, somebody goofed.

I think Houston's up there with Portland for the best team currently.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2014, 05:53:35 PM
Phoenix after 3 rounds.

PG -    Jrue Holiday
SG -    Goran Dragic
SF -    Rudy Gay
PF -    Terrence Jones
C   -    Andrew Bogut

Holiday gets the defensive assignments against tall SG's or elite PG's. 

What are the Pick 2 Universe's thoughts?
Holiday has struggled at times this year when paired with Tyreke Evans, a player that considers himself a PG and should run the offense. Holiday and Dragic are both going to want the ball and that has worked well in Phoenix with Eric Bledsoe, but I am not sure how Holiday would handle it.

Really like Bogut's play this year and Jones has grown as a player to become a significant contributor as a 4th option, transition offense, offensive rebounding type player that compliments a defensive anchor very well.

Just not a fan of Gay. Inefficient volume "me" type player who's stats are more impressive than his play.

Overall I like this team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 07, 2014, 05:56:08 PM
In a 20 team league if any team doesn't look better than their NBA equivalent, somebody goofed.

this is true...

lots of good teams being assembled
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2014, 05:59:33 PM
I know you guys hate my Noah trade but whatevs, YOLO, get over it, ect...

Derrick Rose
Kyle Korver
Trevor Ariza
Zach Randolph
Omer Asik

Sixth Man: Jamal Crawford
Rose has as many questions about what he will return like next year as Kobe does and without an MVP Rose, this team probably struggles. I would suggest adding a play making guard to find Korver his open looks and feed Randolph down low.

Strong defensively, especially 3-5. You'll struggle shutting down teams with two good wing players.

The team is centered around Rose being Rose. Hope he can be again some day.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2014, 06:02:09 PM

Thoughts on Houston?
PG: Eric Bledsoe
SG: James Harden
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: David Lee
 C: Dwight Howard
Excellent, well constructed team.All the parts appear to fit together well and compliment each other. One of the better teams in this endeavor
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2014, 06:07:37 PM
What do people think of Toronto?
PG:Lowry
SG:DeRozan
SF:Josh Smith
PF:Ryan Anderson
C: Pau Gasol
Unfortunately you have two of the players in the league I like the least and think are over rated the most in DeRozan and Smith. I am also not a fan of playing Smith at anything but PF. He's not a SF. Use him where he gives you the most chance to be the best he can be, at PF.

Might be best served playing Smith at PF, drafting a starting SF and bringing a now injured Anderson off the bench.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2014, 06:12:28 PM
Pelicans

PG: Victor Oladipo
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan

I know Kobe is out probably for the year so I imagine Oladipo could be a SG and I can draft a PG while relegating Kobe to bench status for the remainder of this year. Depending on Kobe's health, I would determine the starting lineup for the 2014-15 season that following year.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: airbelinelli on March 07, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
Thoughts on the warriors?
Curry
Joe Johnson
Iggy
Horford
Valanciunas

Might look to make a few tweeks but what are the thoughts through the starting 5?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 06:17:37 PM
Phoenix after 3 rounds.

PG -    Jrue Holiday
SG -    Goran Dragic
SF -    Rudy Gay
PF -    Terrence Jones
C   -    Andrew Bogut

Holiday gets the defensive assignments against tall SG's or elite PG's. 

What are the Pick 2 Universe's thoughts?
Holiday has struggled at times this year when paired with Tyreke Evans, a player that considers himself a PG and should run the offense. Holiday and Dragic are both going to want the ball and that has worked well in Phoenix with Eric Bledsoe, but I am not sure how Holiday would handle it.

Really like Bogut's play this year and Jones has grown as a player to become a significant contributor as a 4th option, transition offense, offensive rebounding type player that compliments a defensive anchor very well.

Just not a fan of Gay. Inefficient volume "me" type player who's stats are more impressive than his play.

Overall I like this team.

Except he's shooting 46% from the field and a decent 35% from 3, while averaging 20 points per game. As a third option in IRL SacTo.

After that trade, it's clear that Gay is better suited as not to be the go to guy on offense. Gay looks comfortable in that role too. His usage rate DROPPED from 30 to 26. He's averaging more points while taking less shots. His assist went up (i know its just by one but for a "me" first player, that's significant). He doesnt have to carry this team offensively, which puts him in a better position to score effectively, as evident by RL when he moved.

About Dragic and Holiday pairing up. I guess we can only prove it until we see it. But Dragic - Bledsoe working is a pretty optimistic comparison. I mean Jrue and Eric are not spot up PG's, they would indeed want the ball. But Dragic coexisted with Bledsoe, I think it's safe to say that he can with Holiday.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 06:21:34 PM
Pelicans

PG: Victor Oladipo
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan

I know Kobe is out probably for the year so I imagine Oladipo could be a SG and I can draft a PG while relegating Kobe to bench status for the remainder of this year. Depending on Kobe's health, I would determine the starting lineup for the 2014-15 season that following year.

Thoughts?

This is a defensive stalwart. This team will control the rebounds and protect the rim.

And I am also a fan of Victor (Home)Oladipo.  ;D, But I don't think him and pretty boy Parsons can provide enough offense. DeAndre doesnt really score on his own too. So IMO the offense is a bit of the problem. That's until Kobe comes back at least.

But for now, if this team can only score 56, they will do that while holding the opponent to 50.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 06:25:42 PM
Thoughts on the warriors?
Curry
Joe Johnson
Iggy
Horford
Valanciunas

Might look to make a few tweeks but what are the thoughts through the starting 5?

This looks exactly like RL Dubs, except Valanciunas is no where close to Boguts BBIQ, especially defensively.

But Horford makes up for that. Horford is your David Lee with better defense. Problem is, that pectoral tearing, seems to be recurring, so that may be a big concern. 

Steph Curry, is a SUPERSTAR. But he may have to do a lot more than he already has IRL. JJ this year had spurts, but his still not going to put enough points to help. And Iggy's just not making shots. (this year at least).

But hey, Iggy, Joe, Steph. That's one clutch trio.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 07, 2014, 06:26:00 PM
Phoenix after 3 rounds.

PG -    Jrue Holiday
SG -    Goran Dragic
SF -    Rudy Gay
PF -    Terrence Jones
C   -    Andrew Bogut

Holiday gets the defensive assignments against tall SG's or elite PG's. 

What are the Pick 2 Universe's thoughts?
Holiday has struggled at times this year when paired with Tyreke Evans, a player that considers himself a PG and should run the offense. Holiday and Dragic are both going to want the ball and that has worked well in Phoenix with Eric Bledsoe, but I am not sure how Holiday would handle it.

Really like Bogut's play this year and Jones has grown as a player to become a significant contributor as a 4th option, transition offense, offensive rebounding type player that compliments a defensive anchor very well.

Just not a fan of Gay. Inefficient volume "me" type player who's stats are more impressive than his play.

Overall I like this team.

Except he's shooting 46% from the field and a decent 35% from 3, while averaging 20 points per game. As a third option in IRL SacTo.

After that trade, it's clear that Gay is better suited as not to be the go to guy on offense. Gay looks comfortable in that role too. His usage rate DROPPED from 30 to 26. He's averaging more points while taking less shots. His assist went up (i know its just by one but for a "me" first player, that's significant). He doesnt have to carry this team offensively, which puts him in a better position to score effectively, as evident by RL when he moved.

About Dragic and Holiday pairing up. I guess we can only prove it until we see it. But Dragic - Bledsoe working is a pretty optimistic comparison. I mean Jrue and Eric are not spot up PG's, they would indeed want the ball. But Dragic coexisted with Bledsoe, I think it's safe to say that he can with Holiday.
I will admit that Gay has played efficiently in Sactown.

I also admit Dragic and Bledsoe worked well together for 20 games. I don't see a chemistry issue with Dragic, its Holiday. Watched a bunch of Pelican games with him and Evans both trying to be the main facilitator in New Orleans and Holiday struggled with it. The Peilcans offense suffered because of it. If anything Dragic is even a more high usage player than Tyreke and I wonder if Holiday will struggle like he has at times this year playing with Evans when both wanted the ball and both wanted to run the offense through them.

Of course, good coaching solves all that.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 07, 2014, 06:31:15 PM
Pelicans

PG: Victor Oladipo
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan

I know Kobe is out probably for the year so I imagine Oladipo could be a SG and I can draft a PG while relegating Kobe to bench status for the remainder of this year. Depending on Kobe's health, I would determine the starting lineup for the 2014-15 season that following year.

Thoughts?

I love the non-Kobe parts of the roster.

Big fan of the Anthony Davis + DeAndre Jordan big man combo. I think their length, quickness, overall athleticism and shot-blocking is going to be extremely difficult to play against. Gives you a terrific defensive backbone.

I really like the Oladipo and Parsons combo on the wing too. Parsons a good all around SF with a sweet jump-shot. Oladipo a super athletic wrecking ball kind of a player. A great slasher in the making. I love having that explosive athleticism alongside Parsons. Again, a top notch defensive talent in Oladipo with a good defensive player with height/length in Parsons alongside him. Continuing in the excellent defensive foundation already established with the bigs.

I think there a couple of really good young PGs still available to complete the picture. Truly excellent foundation so far with those four guys. I'd love to watch that team play.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 07, 2014, 06:33:52 PM
Pelicans

PG: Victor Oladipo
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan

I know Kobe is out probably for the year so I imagine Oladipo could be a SG and I can draft a PG while relegating Kobe to bench status for the remainder of this year. Depending on Kobe's health, I would determine the starting lineup for the 2014-15 season that following year.

Thoughts?

I love the non-Kobe parts of the roster.

Big fan of the Anthony Davis + DeAndre Jordan big man combo. I think their length, quickness, overall athleticism and shot-blocking is going to be extremely difficult to play against. Gives you a terrific defensive backbone.

I really like the Oladipo and Parsons combo on the wing too. Parsons a good all around SF with a sweet jump-shot. Oladipo a super athletic wrecking ball kind of a player. A great slasher in the making. I love having that explosive athleticism alongside Parsons. Again, a top notch defensive talent in Oladipo with a good defensive player with height/length in Parsons alongside him. Continuing in the excellent defensive foundation already established with the bigs.

On the Kobe subject,

I do not see any role for Kobe Bryant on that team. Not after you picked up Oladipo.

I think Kobe will just get in the way. Wanting all his touches, playing in the spots on the floor he wants to be in -- the rest of his teammates be [dang]ed -- and of course his shot attempts. I think his defense will be lousy after that achilles injury too and that he won't give the effort/focus that will be demanded of the rest of his teammates on that end of the floor.

I just don't think an aging post achilles injury Kobe Bryant is the type of player you want around your young guys who already have such an excellent defensive first team first attitude.

I also think the young guys will defer to Kobe Bryant too much and would grow into leadership positions better without him. A larger than life type personality. Domineering. I think Davis will make it his team, in his image, quicker without a Kobe Bryant in the way.

Especially so if it is pushing Oladipo out of position to PG.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 07, 2014, 06:45:19 PM
Phoenix after 3 rounds.

PG -    Jrue Holiday
SG -    Goran Dragic
SF -    Rudy Gay
PF -    Terrence Jones
C   -    Andrew Bogut

Holiday gets the defensive assignments against tall SG's or elite PG's. 

What are the Pick 2 Universe's thoughts?
Holiday has struggled at times this year when paired with Tyreke Evans, a player that considers himself a PG and should run the offense. Holiday and Dragic are both going to want the ball and that has worked well in Phoenix with Eric Bledsoe, but I am not sure how Holiday would handle it.

Really like Bogut's play this year and Jones has grown as a player to become a significant contributor as a 4th option, transition offense, offensive rebounding type player that compliments a defensive anchor very well.

Just not a fan of Gay. Inefficient volume "me" type player who's stats are more impressive than his play.

Overall I like this team.

Except he's shooting 46% from the field and a decent 35% from 3, while averaging 20 points per game. As a third option in IRL SacTo.

After that trade, it's clear that Gay is better suited as not to be the go to guy on offense. Gay looks comfortable in that role too. His usage rate DROPPED from 30 to 26. He's averaging more points while taking less shots. His assist went up (i know its just by one but for a "me" first player, that's significant). He doesnt have to carry this team offensively, which puts him in a better position to score effectively, as evident by RL when he moved.

About Dragic and Holiday pairing up. I guess we can only prove it until we see it. But Dragic - Bledsoe working is a pretty optimistic comparison. I mean Jrue and Eric are not spot up PG's, they would indeed want the ball. But Dragic coexisted with Bledsoe, I think it's safe to say that he can with Holiday.
I will admit that Gay has played efficiently in Sactown.

I also admit Dragic and Bledsoe worked well together for 20 games. I don't see a chemistry issue with Dragic, its Holiday. Watched a bunch of Pelican games with him and Evans both trying to be the main facilitator in New Orleans and Holiday struggled with it. The Peilcans offense suffered because of it. If anything Dragic is even a more high usage player than Tyreke and I wonder if Holiday will struggle like he has at times this year playing with Evans when both wanted the ball and both wanted to run the offense through them.

Of course, good coaching solves all that.

I guess it's 50/50. There is evidence to suggest that it can or cannot work. All I can say to this is Dragic is a better player. Better shooter so he's more of a threat, and opens up the floor more for Holiday. And vice versa, although I will expect Holiday's assists numbers to go down, as he won't be having most of the rock, but like Bledsoe, both him and Dragic can take turns, and since both can shoot (Dragic crazy efficiently and Holiday solid), it's much different that the Pels. The other guy can't shoot.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 07, 2014, 06:49:41 PM
Thoughts on the warriors?
Curry
Joe Johnson
Iggy
Horford
Valanciunas

Might look to make a few tweeks but what are the thoughts through the starting 5?

I love the Iggy and Horford combination at SF/PF. Two tough team first guys. I really like the physical toughness and intensity those two provide and think they will set a terrific tone for your team. Both players have a big impact outside of scoring.

A scoring guard like Steph Curry is an excellent fit alongside those two forwards.

Jonas Valanciunas is a young player with good upside. He should have a very good future in front of him. As he grows and becomes the player he is capable of becoming, this team becomes a major threat.

I think those four guys are the core of the team. Rather than Joe Johnson who is more peripheral. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 07, 2014, 07:44:48 PM
I'd love to pick up an early fourth round pick or one of (the majority of) the current SGs out there.  I'm open to considering even dramatic moves, though I like the five players that I have now very much.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 07, 2014, 07:52:40 PM
I'd love to pick up an early fourth round pick or one of (the majority of) the current SGs out there.  I'm open to considering even dramatic moves, though I like the five players that I have now very much.

Check PM's
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 07, 2014, 08:07:04 PM
Entertaining offers for Smith and Anderson
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 07, 2014, 08:48:20 PM
Liking my team though not championship worthy.

Wall and Beal one of the more explosive backcourts in the league.
Al Jefferson tearing it up int the middle.  Some really huge games lately.
T Harris and Faried glue low maintenance type players.  Maybe a little underrated.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 07, 2014, 09:21:11 PM
What are ya'll's opinions about my team after round 3, as currently constructed.  Also, any opinions on how I should divvy up the minutes among Monroe, Favors, and Gibson, if I keep all three?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 07, 2014, 09:22:02 PM
I'm definitely liking the looks of my team. We have fantastic floor-spacing, especially if we grab a three who works best off the ball. Still entertaining offers for just about anyone on the team, mainly Millsap and Manu. Let me know.

The thing is, especially with Millsap, while he is available, I value my draftees highly.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 07, 2014, 11:32:07 PM
What are ya'll's opinions about my team after round 3, as currently constructed.  Also, any opinions on how I should divvy up the minutes among Monroe, Favors, and Gibson, if I keep all three?

I like Gibson a lot more next to Favors. if I were you, I'd try to move Favors.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 08, 2014, 12:04:01 AM
What are ya'll's opinions about my team after round 3, as currently constructed.  Also, any opinions on how I should divvy up the minutes among Monroe, Favors, and Gibson, if I keep all three?

I like Gibson a lot more next to Favors. if I were you, I'd try to move Favors.

Do you mean that you like Gibson next to Monroe more than Favors next to Monroe?  Either I'm not understanding or your wording is a little ambiguous.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 08, 2014, 12:51:10 AM
What are ya'll's opinions about my team after round 3, as currently constructed.  Also, any opinions on how I should divvy up the minutes among Monroe, Favors, and Gibson, if I keep all three?

I like Gibson a lot more next to Favors. if I were you, I'd try to move Favors.

Do you mean that you like Gibson next to Monroe more than Favors next to Monroe?  Either I'm not understanding or your wording is a little ambiguous.

Oops. Typo. I meant I like Gibson more next to Monroe.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: celticpride07 on March 08, 2014, 06:31:03 AM
Taking offers on Lopez and Jennings PM me if interested
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 08, 2014, 09:10:50 AM
Howard and Harden are playing as good any duo as there is in the league right now.  Unbelievable.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 08, 2014, 09:15:11 AM
Howard and Harden are playing as good any duo as there is in the league right now.  Unbelievable.
I was surprised they fell to #5 when selecting teams. I thought they were clearly the best two man duo in the draft.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 08, 2014, 09:56:11 AM
Howard and Harden are playing as good any duo as there is in the league right now.  Unbelievable.
I was surprised they fell to #5 when selecting teams. I thought they were clearly the best two man duo in the draft.

Completely agree with this statement.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 08, 2014, 10:00:21 AM
Love more thoughts on the Portland team in the making.

Pg: Lillard
SG:
Sf: Leonard
PF: Aldridge
C:   Noah
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 08, 2014, 10:38:05 AM
Love more thoughts on the Portland team in the making.

Pg: Lillard
SG:
Sf: Leonard
PF: Aldridge
C:   Noah

Best team in Pick2. Each players are perfect compliments for one another. Great balance of offense and defense. Noah and Aldridge are the best front court in the league. Curious to see how you fill out the rest of the team, but great start.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 08, 2014, 11:29:52 AM
Howard and Harden are playing as good any duo as there is in the league right now.  Unbelievable.
I was surprised they fell to #5 when selecting teams. I thought they were clearly the best two man duo in the draft.

Best duo in the draft?  I completely disagree.  Durant and Westbrook are both better than Harden or Howard.  Harden and Howard complement each other well, but not nearly well enough to change that. I would have drafted Howard and Harden third if I had been drafting every position.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 08, 2014, 11:45:34 AM
Howard and Harden are playing as good any duo as there is in the league right now.  Unbelievable.
I was surprised they fell to #5 when selecting teams. I thought they were clearly the best two man duo in the draft.

Best duo in the draft?  I completely disagree.  Durant and Westbrook are both better than Harden or Howard.  Harden and Howard complement each other well, but not nearly well enough to change that. I would have drafted Howard and Harden third if I had been drafting every position.

Westbrook better than Howard and Harden? I disagree. I would rank Russ 4th if we're ranking the players.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 08, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
Howard and Harden are playing as good any duo as there is in the league right now.  Unbelievable.
I was surprised they fell to #5 when selecting teams. I thought they were clearly the best two man duo in the draft.

Best duo in the draft?  I completely disagree.  Durant and Westbrook are both better than Harden or Howard.  Harden and Howard complement each other well, but not nearly well enough to change that. I would have drafted Howard and Harden third if I had been drafting every position.

Westbrook better than Howard and Harden? I disagree. I would rank Russ 4th if we're ranking the players.

I had the rockets at third myself only because you cant pass on Durant in one of the first two slots. However I think the duo of Howard/Harden is better than Durant/Westbrook simply because of Westbrook.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 08, 2014, 12:42:40 PM
I those comments prompted me to do an in-depth stastical comparasion of the four.  I'll post it when I get back o my computer in a few minutes, but the fairly obvious conclusion, IMO, is that the player rankings go Durant>>Harden>Westbrook>Howard.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 08, 2014, 12:55:18 PM
I those comments prompted me to do an in-depth stastical comparasion of the four.  I'll post it when I get back o my computer in a few minutes, but the fairly obvious conclusion, IMO, is that the player rankings go Durant>>Harden>Westbrook>Howard.

Durant > Howard > Harden > Westbrook
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 08, 2014, 12:56:21 PM
Double post.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 08, 2014, 01:29:25 PM
I those comments prompted me to do an in-depth stastical comparasion of the four.  I'll post it when I get back o my computer in a few minutes, but the fairly obvious conclusion, IMO, is that the player rankings go Durant>>Harden>Westbrook>Howard.

Durant > Howard > Harden > Westbrook


See, now that is just not supported by the facts. 

   Durant   Westbrook   Harden   Howard
PER   30.41   23.78   22.29   22.1
WS/48   0.308   0.17   0.204   0.176
ORtg   123   107   117   110
DRtg   102   102   107   100
TS%   63.8   54.2   60.8   60.1
TRB%   11.3   10.4   6.8   20.3
AST%   26.6   38.8   25.2   9.3
TOV%   12.7   16.6   15.4   17.2
STL%   1.9   3   1.9   1.3
BLK%   1.6   0.2   0.8   3.8
PTS/36   29.8   24.3   23.1   19.9
AST/36   5.2   8.1   3.3   1.9
TRB/36   7.2   6.6   4.4   13.1
TOV/36   3.4   4.5   3.5   3.4
STL/36   1.4   2.1   1.4   0.9
BLK/36   0.7   0.1   0.4   1.9
Shooting %s   51.0/39.4/87.5   43.8/34.8/81.6   45.8/34.2/85.0   59.0/33.3/59.2



Uhh, well, the formatting didn't come out right, so I just attached the graph as an excel sheet.  Anyway, the facts pretty clearly show that Durant is leagues above the other three, Harden's shooting and scoring pushes him above Westbrook's overall better passing, rebounding, and defensive game (seriously underrated defender), and that Howard's offensive mediocrity and only "very good", not "incredible" defense makes him the worst of the four.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 08, 2014, 01:31:44 PM
Arguably, Howard is on the same level as Westbrook, but I certainly don't think that he is better (and there is no way that he is better than Harden)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 08, 2014, 01:33:00 PM
Can it be Monday morning yet?

I have my list already made and want to make my two selections now!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 08, 2014, 04:15:42 PM
Can it be Monday morning yet?

I have my list already made and want to make my two selections now!
I hear you man.  I have one guy I want, hoping he is there at 3 when I pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 08, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
Can it be Monday morning yet?

I have my list already made and want to make my two selections now!
I hear you man.  I have one guy I want, hoping he is there at 3 when I pick.
he's probably the guy I'm planning to take at #2  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 08, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
I those comments prompted me to do an in-depth stastical comparasion of the four.  I'll post it when I get back o my computer in a few minutes, but the fairly obvious conclusion, IMO, is that the player rankings go Durant>>Harden>Westbrook>Howard.

Durant > Howard > Harden > Westbrook

I agree with this order.

There isn't a huge difference after Durant.

When I ask myself though, who would be better, Howard & Harden, or Howard and Westbrook, I wouldn't think twice about choosing Harden.

Howard and Durant would be unfair.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 08, 2014, 06:32:24 PM
Fitz check PM's
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 08, 2014, 08:47:07 PM
I those comments prompted me to do an in-depth stastical comparasion of the four.  I'll post it when I get back o my computer in a few minutes, but the fairly obvious conclusion, IMO, is that the player rankings go Durant>>Harden>Westbrook>Howard.

Durant > Howard > Harden > Westbrook

I agree with this order.

There isn't a huge difference after Durant.

When I ask myself though, who would be better, Howard & Harden, or Howard and Westbrook, I wouldn't think twice about choosing Harden.

Howard and Durant would be unfair.

  You cannot say that "there isn't a huge difference after Durant" (whether or not that statement is true-it's subjective, I guess), then also state that Howard + Harden is better than Durant + Westbrook, especially since synergy regarding those combinations is already included in the stats.  To clarify, if A>B and B=C=D, then A + C > B + D.

Also, less importantly, I think that you are severely over-rating Howard (imo, hes an overrated player in general, though I'm now ignoring my opinion in this argument) because he has a more impressive career length.  Howard is limited offensively (though obviously still above average) and Westbrook is severly underrated defensively. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 08, 2014, 09:01:26 PM
Think he was saying Howard + Harden would be better than Howard + Westbrook. And the only reason Durant/Westbrook is considered better than Howard/Harden has more to do with Durant being a tier above all three rather than Westbrook being better than Harden or Howard because he's not. Lol hope that made sense. Don't think there's a GM in the league that would take Westbrook over Howard
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 08, 2014, 09:06:14 PM
Think I am going to approach the rest of this draft as if Kobe wasn't on the Pelicans. I figure if I can make a very good team without Kobe, and only add Kobe in 2015 if he is almost back to being the Kobe we expect, then that would work for the year. If Kobe isn't what is expected out of Kobe, I can just send him home and not let him have an effect on the clubhouse and the rest of the team.

Its a gamble with probably a relatively low chance of success but if Kobe does come back big, then there is a chance that a team that probably wouldn't have had a chance to win it all, could win it all.

So I guess all this leads to the following: Kobe is on the block. He is kind of my Big Papi gamble the Red Sox keep taking. He's old. His body isn't what it used to be, but if I can bottle magic for one last great Kobe year, maybe it means a ring but it will be a waiting game on him. So of course, in the meantime, if anyone wants to talk trade for Kobe while I wait to see if he is going to bottle up that magic, hit me up.

I love the rest of my team though and as much as I will listen to offers on any of the rest, its going to need to be an offer that knocks my socks off to move anyone else.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 08, 2014, 10:38:09 PM
Think he was saying Howard + Harden would be better than Howard + Westbrook. And the only reason Durant/Westbrook is considered better than Howard/Harden has more to do with Durant being a tier above all three rather than Westbrook being better than Harden or Howard because he's not. Lol hope that made sense. Don't think there's a GM in the league that would take Westbrook over Howard

Oh, okay. I thought that he was also saying that Harden + Howard is better than Durant + Westbrook.  Yeah, even I would pick Howard over Westbrook (though, for me, that is more a function of how there are a lot more very good PGs than centers).  Yeah, I just wanted to show that the stats show that Durant + Westbrook is better than Harden + Howard.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 08, 2014, 10:49:44 PM
Think he was saying Howard + Harden would be better than Howard + Westbrook. And the only reason Durant/Westbrook is considered better than Howard/Harden has more to do with Durant being a tier above all three rather than Westbrook being better than Harden or Howard because he's not. Lol hope that made sense. Don't think there's a GM in the league that would take Westbrook over Howard

This sums it up pretty well.

Personally, as of this moment Howard & Harden are playing better than Durant & Westbrook. I'd say it's almost a wash as far as which duo is better, and can see an argument for either pairing being superior to the other.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 08, 2014, 10:58:33 PM
Think he was saying Howard + Harden would be better than Howard + Westbrook. And the only reason Durant/Westbrook is considered better than Howard/Harden has more to do with Durant being a tier above all three rather than Westbrook being better than Harden or Howard because he's not. Lol hope that made sense. Don't think there's a GM in the league that would take Westbrook over Howard

This sums it up pretty well.

Personally, as of this moment Howard & Harden are playing better than Durant & Westbrook. I'd say it's almost a wash as far as which duo is better, and can see an argument for either pairing being superior to the other.

I think that's a bridge too far.  There's a wide gap between Durant and the other three, and I think some folks are under-estimating Westbrook based upon his recovery from injury.  I think Westbrook and Harden are on the same tier, talent-wise.

Howard...  I don't think he has the mentality to win.  He's probably the second most talented of the guys mentioned, and at times the second most dominant, but he truly is a clown.  I think he's lost whatever edge he had as a young player, and I'll be very surprised if he's ever back in the Finals.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 08, 2014, 11:04:42 PM
Think he was saying Howard + Harden would be better than Howard + Westbrook. And the only reason Durant/Westbrook is considered better than Howard/Harden has more to do with Durant being a tier above all three rather than Westbrook being better than Harden or Howard because he's not. Lol hope that made sense. Don't think there's a GM in the league that would take Westbrook over Howard

This sums it up pretty well.

Personally, as of this moment Howard & Harden are playing better than Durant & Westbrook. I'd say it's almost a wash as far as which duo is better, and can see an argument for either pairing being superior to the other.

I think that's a bridge too far.  There's a wide gap between Durant and the other three, and I think some folks are under-estimating Westbrook based upon his recovery from injury.  I think Westbrook and Harden are on the same tier, talent-wise.

Howard...  I don't think he has the mentality to win.  He's probably the second most talented of the guys mentioned, and at times the second most dominant, but he truly is a clown.  I think he's lost whatever edge he had as a young player, and I'll be very surprised if he's ever back in the Finals.

Yeah, I pretty much disagree with this in entirety.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 08, 2014, 11:12:40 PM
Think he was saying Howard + Harden would be better than Howard + Westbrook. And the only reason Durant/Westbrook is considered better than Howard/Harden has more to do with Durant being a tier above all three rather than Westbrook being better than Harden or Howard because he's not. Lol hope that made sense. Don't think there's a GM in the league that would take Westbrook over Howard

This sums it up pretty well.

Personally, as of this moment Howard & Harden are playing better than Durant & Westbrook. I'd say it's almost a wash as far as which duo is better, and can see an argument for either pairing being superior to the other.

I think that's a bridge too far.  There's a wide gap between Durant and the other three, and I think some folks are under-estimating Westbrook based upon his recovery from injury.  I think Westbrook and Harden are on the same tier, talent-wise.

Howard...  I don't think he has the mentality to win.  He's probably the second most talented of the guys mentioned, and at times the second most dominant, but he truly is a clown.  I think he's lost whatever edge he had as a young player, and I'll be very surprised if he's ever back in the Finals.

I more or less agree with this entirely, though I think that Howard's simply not as good a player as he once was.  Perhaps that is still some lingering effect from his injury, but his downfall from absolute top-tier, All-NBA, to his current, top-20, borderline top-15 status started in 2011.  He had an amazing four season stretch from 2006-07 to 2010-11, and nothing can change that, but he isn't the same player and most likely never will be again.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 08, 2014, 11:17:44 PM
Think he was saying Howard + Harden would be better than Howard + Westbrook. And the only reason Durant/Westbrook is considered better than Howard/Harden has more to do with Durant being a tier above all three rather than Westbrook being better than Harden or Howard because he's not. Lol hope that made sense. Don't think there's a GM in the league that would take Westbrook over Howard

This sums it up pretty well.

Personally, as of this moment Howard & Harden are playing better than Durant & Westbrook. I'd say it's almost a wash as far as which duo is better, and can see an argument for either pairing being superior to the other.

I think that's a bridge too far.  There's a wide gap between Durant and the other three, and I think some folks are under-estimating Westbrook based upon his recovery from injury.  I think Westbrook and Harden are on the same tier, talent-wise.

Howard...  I don't think he has the mentality to win.  He's probably the second most talented of the guys mentioned, and at times the second most dominant, but he truly is a clown.  I think he's lost whatever edge he had as a young player, and I'll be very surprised if he's ever back in the Finals.

Yeah, I pretty much disagree with this in entirety.

Please, defend Dwight's mentality.  I know that you have the kid in the DKC, but his focus hasn't seemed to be on winning for years. 

First, he forces a trade, but only after misleading Orlando.  He publicly got into spats with Van Gundy and D'Antoni.  He flopped in LA largely because he couldn't deal with a demanding alpha-dog like Kobe, and allegedly he was against a Rondo trade because of the same issues.

He wants to show up, collect a pay check, and be a clown.  He doesn't have that killer instinct that the great players have, and because of that, he's never going to win.

I agree with Merovech that there's been some erosion of his athleticism, but I think the mental aspect is just as big of a part.  If he had KG's passion and motor, or Kobe's killer instinct (flawed or not), he'd be unstoppable.  Instead, he's just a guy putting up 19 and 12 who won't make the Conference Finals.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 08, 2014, 11:40:22 PM
Honestly, having Howard in the DKC has nothing to do with how I feel about Howard, other than Howard is the main reason I picked the franchise.

Dwight may be a jovial individual, and a bit indecisive when it comes to what he wants out of life, but Howard 'wants' to win plenty. Whether or not he knows how, well that can be said about any player until they actually do.

Kobe is an all time jackass, nobody wants to play with him anymore. The Rondo stuff is mere conjecture based on a quote taken out of context. D'Antoni has been a terrible coach since he left Phoenix, big surprise a star player had issues with him, and how he was being used. So does Pau.

It is funny though to hear your opinion of Dwight, being someone who defends Cousins. We obviously aren't going to agree, or change the others mind. I hope you enjoy crow though.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 08, 2014, 11:46:01 PM
It is funny though to hear your opinion of Dwight, being someone who defends Cousins.

Cousins is nothing like Howard, though.  Cousins is fiery and passionate, and gets extraordinarily frustrated by losing. 

Dwight just wants to have a good time.  He might "want" to win, but only on his terms.  He'd rather lose than deal with headstrong coaches or teammates.

As for eating crow, let's just say that I agree with this guy:

I want NO part of Howard.  He is NOT a center piece type player.  He needs someone else to be the leader.

Plus, I'm not sure Dwight has the "proper" mentality to be a Celtic.

Rondo just has so much more of that "winners mentality" than Howard does.  I'd beg you all to go ask KG or Kobe (two players who are widely accepted as the fiercest competitors in the game).  I'd bet everything I own those two would rather have Rondo on their side.  That is all you need to know, IMHO.


Howard makes Rondo look like Patron Saint when it comes to "mentality".

But you're not concerned about Howard's immature attitude, and seeming lack of "killer instinct"?

Let's just say I'd be willing to bet good money Gasol wins a title before Howard ever does.  In fact, I doubt Howard ever will.

Howard is such a poor leader and poor 4th quarter player, there is very little likelihood a team with him as it's best player wins a title.

I'm not sure that that's that much different than what I've been arguing.  Heck, we used the exact same words ("mentality", lack of "killer instinct", will never win a championship, etc).  Howard is a great player, but his mentality is deficient. He's nowhere close to as good as Durant, and he's a lot closer to the Harden / Westbrook tier than he is the Durant one.

So let's just agree to ... agree?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 09, 2014, 12:09:53 AM
Well, can't deny I said that. Turns out I was wrong.   Takes a real man to recognize & admit it.   ;)

This season has brought me back to believing in Howard again. He play is undeniable. His decision to leave Kobe helped bolster that. It showed me he rather blaze his own path, not ride someone else's coattails.

I'm glad though that you have nothing better to to with your time than research all my past posts. You got a lot more posts than I do, I have no doubts I could easily find contradictory past statements of yours too. Not interested though. This ain't a 'you know what' measuring contest.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 09, 2014, 12:19:14 AM
He play is undeniable.

And this is where you and I disagree, I guess.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 09, 2014, 01:00:30 AM
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Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 09, 2014, 01:24:28 AM
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I approve.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 09, 2014, 06:13:43 AM
Howard...  I don't think he has the mentality to win.  He's probably the second most talented of the guys mentioned, and at times the second most dominant, but he truly is a clown.  I think he's lost whatever edge he had as a young player, and I'll be very surprised if he's ever back in the Finals.

I'd be shocked if Houston don't make the Finals over the next few years.

Heck, I'd be surprised if they didn't a Championship(s?). That Harden and Dwight combination is just so strong + with Morey there, Houston will have a strong supporting cast around them given time.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 09, 2014, 06:21:48 AM
I'd go Durant > Harden, Dwight > Westbrook

I think Westbrook can be on a par with Harden + Dwight at times but I don't believe that Westbrook is at that level consistently enough which is why I'd drop him a tier behind those two other guys.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 09, 2014, 06:36:10 AM
As for duos to build around,

I'd go Harden, Dwight > Durant, Westbrook ... because I think the inside-outside combination is a much better duo to build around. You have your top scorer (like OKC), your second option (like OKC) and a top defender/rebounder (unlike OKC). A terrific foundation on both ends of the floor.

I just believe that Houston gives you a better foundation to build around and more flexibility in the draft and in trades because it gives you that foundation on both ends of the floor. Houston can take BPA across players with multiple differing skill-sets whereas OKC (out of necessity) has to focus on interior defense + rebounding which limits their drafting / trade options.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 09, 2014, 06:45:06 AM
I don't think Dwight Howard is as good as he used to be either.

I had Dwight Howard on a par with LeBron James back in 2009 + 2010 + 2011 and thought Dwight should have been the MVP one of those years.

I don't think Dwight Howard is the defensive force he was back then. When he was unquestionably the DPOY for several years running. To just being one of several DPOY candidates nowadays. Nor is he as good offensively. Not as efficient / lethal as he was at his peak. Still, his overall package as one of the top rebounders in the league + one of the top interior defenders + a strong offensive threat who is an efficient 18-20ppg scorer is one heck of an overall package.

I still have him on my second tier of stars. As a top 5-7 player. Albeit not at that MVP level I thought Dwight was at a few years ago where I'd have him on a par with what LeBron + Durant are doing now.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 09, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
Jumping in on this conversation, I think that its clear Durant is the best of the bunch and the lead cog in his duo. Howard is the lead cog in his duo. I find Harden and Westbrook to be about the same in quality of player. So if that's the case is Durant better than Howard? of Course and its not close.

One thing not being brought up here is the liability that Howard can be on offense because of his foul shooting. His 50%+ foul shooting is embarrassing for a high school basketball player, never mind a professional. He makes his coach have to adjust his rotations and strategy because near the end of games, its easier to foul Howard and play that he is going to miss from the line than it is to try to stop the Rockets as a whole.

I really think that point is ignored by many and is something that should stand out to anyone that has a center that can't hit free throws.

Oh wait, I have DeAndre Jordan. Disregard what I said. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 09, 2014, 11:27:26 AM
Just to make it clear, as Roy has seemed to take the approach of attempting to call into question my integrity, I change my mind about players frequently.  I mean, the opposite would involve being closed-minded.

I'm sure you could go back through plenty of my past posts and find statements one way of the other about more than one player.  Lebron would be at the top of that list.  I bagged on him for years.  He proved me wrong and I have nothing but glowing things to say about him now (mostly). When I see new evidence to change my opinion, I do so.

I've waffled on Dwight over the years.  I was a believer for much of his career.  The past few years soured me on him.  This year showed me he is back to his old ways of dominating, and his improved post play and demeanor is 'up to snuff'.  I understand plenty of people will disagree about this, and know fully well why.

He's not on the level of James or Durant, and he does has his flaws.  So do a good number of other players on his level.  CP3, Harden, George, Wetsbrook, Curry, Aldridge, Love etc. all have aspects of their games that are 'weaker' than the rest of their games. Howard's closer to 60% free throws this year, FWIW (still not great, but good enough).  Apparently it'd dropped recently and is back to 55%.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 09, 2014, 11:33:30 AM
You know who I think will be on the level of Lebron and Durant within the next couple of years, Anthony Davis.  He's not there yet, but I'm becoming a believer.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 09, 2014, 11:39:55 AM
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There's a weird anti-DeRozan bias among a lot of the folks who participate in these games, and I disagree with it.  He's isn't as efficient as I'd like but kid can ball.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 09, 2014, 11:44:58 AM
Just to make it clear, as Roy has seemed to take the approach of attempting to call into question my integrity, I change my mind about players frequently.  I mean, the opposite would involve being closed-minded.

I'm sure you could go back through plenty of my past posts and find statements one way of the other about more than one player.  Lebron would be at the top of that list.  I bagged on him for years.  He proved me wrong and I have nothing but glowing things to say about him now (mostly). When I see new evidence to change my opinion, I do so.

I've waffled on Dwight over the years.  I was a believer for much of his career.  The past few years soured me on him.  This year showed me he is back to his old ways of dominating, and his improved post play and demeanor is 'up to snuff'.  I understand plenty of people will disagree about this, and know fully well why.

He's not on the level of James or Durant, and he does has his flaws.  So do a good number of other players on his level.  CP3, Harden, George, Wetsbrook, Curry, Aldridge, Love etc. all have aspects of their games that are 'weaker' than the rest of their games. Howard's closer to 60% free throws this year, FWIW (still not great, but good enough).  Apparently it'd dropped recently and is back to 55%.

I don't want to put words in your mouth but I think a lot of us soured quickly on Howard when he put the Lakers jersey on, and liked him a lot better as soon as he took it off.  The way he left Orlando, and the injury issues that coincided with it, didn't help either.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 09, 2014, 11:48:26 AM
Just to make it clear, as Roy has seemed to take the approach of attempting to call into question my integrity, I change my mind about players frequently.  I mean, the opposite would involve being closed-minded.

My intention wasn't to call into question your integrity.  However, you seemed to be very opposed to my observations of Howard, saying that you pretty much disagreed with my analysis completely.  You seemed a bit flippant in your dismissal of my arguments.

I thought it was interesting, then, to see just how close our analysis of Howard was as recently as a few months ago.  I mean, we were almost word-for-word in our analysis. 

I respect the fact that you changed your mind.  However, as somebody who held the exact same opinions as I currently do as recently as a few months ago, I guess I was surprised by how firm and unbending you were in your present beliefs.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 09, 2014, 11:54:35 AM
Just to make it clear, as Roy has seemed to take the approach of attempting to call into question my integrity, I change my mind about players frequently.  I mean, the opposite would involve being closed-minded.

My intention wasn't to call into question your integrity.  However, you seemed to be very opposed to my observations of Howard, saying that you pretty much disagreed with my analysis completely.  You seemed a bit flippant in your dismissal of my arguments.

I thought it was interesting, then, to see just how close our analysis of Howard was as recently as a few months ago.  I mean, we were almost word-for-word in our analysis. 

I respect the fact that you changed your mind.  However, as somebody who held the exact same opinions as I currently do as recently as a few months ago, I guess I was surprised by how firm and unbending you were in your present beliefs.

Meh, I guess I tend to be rather "firm" in what I believe, at any given moment.  Just my nature I suppose.  I don't think we're terribly different in that regard.

So if you weren't 'calling me out', well then I apologize for accusing you.  Sure seemed that way, I was wrong I guess.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 09, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
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There's a weird anti-DeRozan bias among a lot of the folks who participate in these games, and I disagree with it.  He's isn't as efficient as I'd like but kid can ball.
I don't know if I had a bias against DeRozan but I didn't think he was that great of a player. He was playing poor defense and has always been inefficient.

Toronto getting rid of the absolutely awful defenders like Gay and Bargs and others has shown DeRozan not to be as poor a defender as he appeared before and he has definitely shown offensively that he can be a top 2 option on offense.

But its only this year that he has shown a maturity in his whole game and that he could be relied upon to be the offensive weapon that he has been this year. I think as he continues to grow as a player he will change people's minds about him. I know I don't think the same way about him now as I did earlier this year.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 09, 2014, 11:58:08 AM
Just to make it clear, as Roy has seemed to take the approach of attempting to call into question my integrity, I change my mind about players frequently.  I mean, the opposite would involve being closed-minded.

My intention wasn't to call into question your integrity.  However, you seemed to be very opposed to my observations of Howard, saying that you pretty much disagreed with my analysis completely.  You seemed a bit flippant in your dismissal of my arguments.

I thought it was interesting, then, to see just how close our analysis of Howard was as recently as a few months ago.  I mean, we were almost word-for-word in our analysis. 

I respect the fact that you changed your mind.  However, as somebody who held the exact same opinions as I currently do as recently as a few months ago, I guess I was surprised by how firm and unbending you were in your present beliefs.

Meh, I guess I tend to be rather "firm" in what I believe, at any given moment.  Just my nature I suppose.  I don't think we're terribly different in that regard.

So if you weren't 'calling me out', well then I apologize for accusing you.  Sure seemed that way, I was wrong I guess.

My apologies, as well.  I wasn't "calling you out" to suggest that you're a hypocrite or anything of that nature.  Rather, I was defending my own analysis by showing where you were on the subject.  I do agree that people evolve on players all the time.  (Case in point:  Zach Randolph.  I think that 100% of the blog changed their thinking on him.)

Let's move on.  We can discuss a Howard-for-DMC trade in the off-season to make us both look silly. Haha.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 09, 2014, 11:59:59 AM

There's a weird anti-DeRozan bias among a lot of the folks who participate in these games, and I disagree with it.  He's isn't as efficient as I'd like but kid can ball.

This is probably an example of another player who fits the "changed my mind" criteria.

DeRozan has looked much improved of late.  Gotta give him credit.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 09, 2014, 12:00:46 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1507095_687887481269945_756676790_n.jpg)

There's a weird anti-DeRozan bias among a lot of the folks who participate in these games, and I disagree with it.  He's isn't as efficient as I'd like but kid can ball.
I don't know if I had a bias against DeRozan but I didn't think he was that great of a player. He was playing poor defense and has always been inefficient.

Toronto getting rid of the absolutely awful defenders like Gay and Bargs and others has shown DeRozan not to be as poor a defender as he appeared before and he has definitely shown offensively that he can be a top 2 option on offense.

But its only this year that he has shown a maturity in his whole game and that he could be relied upon to be the offensive weapon that he has been this year. I think as he continues to grow as a player he will change people's minds about him. I know I don't think the same way about him now as I did earlier this year.

Funny story.  I was offered a deal that involved DeRozan for Dion Waiters (along with other moving parts).  I had no interest in DeRozan, and offered him around the league.  There was pretty much zero interest.

I was wrong (although I'm happy with the Waiters trade that I did make), and so was just about everyone else.

It's funny that DeRozan and Monta Ellis both turned a corner in the same year.  Maybe Brandon Jennings is next.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 09, 2014, 12:01:07 PM
Let's move on.  We can discuss a Howard-for-DMC trade in the off-season to make us both look silly. Haha.

 ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 09, 2014, 12:09:27 PM
You know who I think will be on the level of Lebron and Durant within the next couple of years, Anthony Davis.  He's not there yet, but I'm becoming a believer.
Always been a believer in Davis. He's the only reason I chose the P'cans. I do believe, like you, that he will be in the class of Durant and LeBron but not for a year or so.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 09, 2014, 12:20:08 PM
So while we're on the topic of changing minds about players, how about that Gerald Green?   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 09, 2014, 01:30:22 PM
just to cover my butt, can't make my pick on time for tomorrow so sent a PM to AB.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 09, 2014, 02:14:10 PM
just to cover my butt, can't make my pick on time for tomorrow so sent a PM to AB.

Slam, check PM's.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 09, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
You know who I think will be on the level of Lebron and Durant within the next couple of years, Anthony Davis.  He's not there yet, but I'm becoming a believer.
Agreed :D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 09, 2014, 07:55:39 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1507095_687887481269945_756676790_n.jpg)

There's a weird anti-DeRozan bias among a lot of the folks who participate in these games, and I disagree with it.  He's isn't as efficient as I'd like but kid can ball.
He doesn't shoot that badly, outside his 3PT% but the dude can score! Along with his all around game. Unfair criticism.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 09, 2014, 08:39:02 PM
just to cover my butt, can't make my pick on time for tomorrow so sent a PM to AB.

Slam, check PM's.
got it
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 09, 2014, 08:50:38 PM
Knew Derozan had it in him. Got killed for picking him in the 3rd round last year in pick2.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 10, 2014, 04:00:35 AM
Kyle Lowry just got a triple double. DeRozan with 25 points and 7 rebounds. Josh Smith with 28 points and 11 rebounds, and to top it off Pau Gasol with 20 points and 11 rebounds. Nice night for my Raptors
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 10, 2014, 09:28:54 AM
You mean players can have good games, this is all shocking news to me. 

I do like the JJ Redick pick.  Good shooter and has improved his defense a lot over the last couple of seasons (though still not what you would call a plus defender).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 10, 2014, 09:43:46 AM
You mean players can have good games, this is all shocking news to me. 

I do like the JJ Redick pick.  Good shooter and has improved his defense a lot over the last couple of seasons (though still not what you would call a plus defender).
Gotta flaunt whatever I get  ;D

I like your PG rotation. also find it funny that you have one of the smallest point guards as well as one of the tallest. good young players.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 10, 2014, 09:50:45 AM
You mean players can have good games, this is all shocking news to me. 

I do like the JJ Redick pick.  Good shooter and has improved his defense a lot over the last couple of seasons (though still not what you would call a plus defender).
Gotta flaunt whatever I get  ;D

I like your PG rotation. also find it funny that you have one of the smallest point guards as well as one of the tallest. good young players.
I know MCW has tailed off a bit from his hot start, but I was a bit surprised he lasted this long.  There aren't a whole lot of PG's in NBA history that as a rookie average 16.7 points, 6.3 assists, 5.4 rebounds, and 2.0 steals.  His shooting leaves something to be desired, but as a rookie on a bad team that can be expected a bit.

I was happy to have him as I definitely needed some size in the back-court with Thomas and Gordon as the starters. Given his length, I think he can probably play with both Thomas and Gordon, which was definitely what I was looking for.  He also fits in well with my youth movement (you know except for Dirk).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 10, 2014, 10:44:06 AM
I'm always a fan of any team that takes Anderson Varejao. Great role player.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 10, 2014, 10:44:53 AM
Very surprised and happy to see Varejao still on the board. Tried to move up for him a couple of times actually. Starting center averaging 8 points/10 rebounds a block and a steal.

Playing against Zach Randolph, Omer Asik, and Anderson Varejao is going to be like getting into a bar fight with a European rugby team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 10, 2014, 10:45:57 AM
I'm always a fan of any team that takes Anderson Varejao. Great role player.
terrific player -- when he's healthy.

would have taken him over Vucevic except for Sideshow Bob's recent health issues
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 10, 2014, 10:51:59 AM
Anderson Varejao will be in a suit far too often to be worth a 4th round pick.  Just the reality of where he is at.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 10, 2014, 10:54:15 AM
Playing against Zach Randolph, Omer Asik, and Anderson Varejao is going to be like getting into a bar fight with a European rugby team.

Extremely dangerous until you trick them into breaking out in song?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 10, 2014, 11:05:27 AM
Before making your picks, always search the draft times post (command+f or what have you) to make sure he hasn't already been taken.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 10, 2014, 11:08:44 AM
Dont tell anyone, but im taking an extra 2 minutes of bathroom break to comment on my latest acquisition.

Very Glad to grab Draymond. One of them "do the little things" guy. What he doesnt provide in efficient shootinf, he makes up for excellent defense (can literally cover PG's to PF's), hustle, leadership and great BBIQ.

I'm always a fan of any team that takes Anderson Varejao. Great role player.

I dont think I heard this in the Original Recipe CB Draft...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 10, 2014, 11:10:27 AM
Anderson Varejao will be in a suit far too often to be worth a 4th round pick.  Just the reality of where he is at.

His most recent game he played in. That's all that matters in an exercise such as this.

This is the same person who got beat in the CB Draft by a Rajon Rondo who hadent played in 8 months, so to me, unless an injury is career-ending, I essentially disregard them.

You are allowed to interpret injuries however you wish in these drafts.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 10, 2014, 11:12:09 AM
Have 4.16 and looking to move up.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 10, 2014, 11:26:46 AM
Knicks have a sneaky good team around Melo.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 10, 2014, 11:32:35 AM
Anderson Varejao will be in a suit far too often to be worth a 4th round pick.  Just the reality of where he is at.

His most recent game he played in. That's all that matters in an exercise such as this.

This is the same person who got beat in the CB Draft by a Rajon Rondo who hadent played in 8 months, so to me, unless an injury is career-ending, I essentially disregard them.

You are allowed to interpret injuries however you wish in these drafts.
Well sure but you are talking about a guy the last four years whose games played are 31, 25, 25, 49.  This isn't a one time injury.  This is a guy who is consistently hurt over the last 4 years.  I just can't have a player like that as critical as my 6th man.  Maybe it won't you, but I find that hard to believe.  Sideshow Bob just can't stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 10, 2014, 11:34:09 AM
Knicks have a sneaky good team around Melo.

Yeah, Carlos Boozer was good value at this point and Tristan Thompsan is the perfect clean-up man for Melo.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 10, 2014, 11:53:19 AM
I'm taking Nick off my buddy list...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 10, 2014, 12:00:56 PM
Happy with Ross as my 6th man, who scored 51 points in a game recently, and has excellent 3 point range.  My gunner off the bench and will play him at the 2 and 3 spots.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 10, 2014, 12:03:57 PM
I'm taking Nick off my buddy list...

Really considered Hill last round, but I thought I'd be too boring.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 10, 2014, 12:12:21 PM
I'm taking Nick off my buddy list...

Really considered Hill last round, but I thought I'd be too boring.

Yeah, probably would have. You have enough Pacers lol.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 10, 2014, 12:39:48 PM
Happy with Ross as my 6th man, who scored 51 points in a game recently, and has excellent 3 point range.  My gunner off the bench and will play him at the 2 and 3 spots.

Potential future DPOY candidate, too.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 10, 2014, 12:43:04 PM
Anderson Varejao will be in a suit far too often to be worth a 4th round pick.  Just the reality of where he is at.

His most recent game he played in. That's all that matters in an exercise such as this.

This is the same person who got beat in the CB Draft by a Rajon Rondo who hadent played in 8 months, so to me, unless an injury is career-ending, I essentially disregard them.

You are allowed to interpret injuries however you wish in these drafts.
Well sure but you are talking about a guy the last four years whose games played are 31, 25, 25, 49.  This isn't a one time injury.  This is a guy who is consistently hurt over the last 4 years.  I just can't have a player like that as critical as my 6th man.  Maybe it won't you, but I find that hard to believe.  Sideshow Bob just can't stay healthy.
exactly.  If he could stay healthy, he'd have been my keeper instead of Deng
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 10, 2014, 12:44:59 PM
liking my roster so far.  Good players on offense and Defense (well Martin's a tad allergic to D but 1 out 6 isn't too bad at all)
Got Kyrie as my go-to scorer but every starter a more-than-capable scorer and my 6th man is as well.  also, Blatche can play with either Ibaka or Vucevic so I really like the way the team is shaping up.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 10, 2014, 12:48:02 PM
liking my roster so far.  Good players on offense and Defense (well Martin's a tad allergic to D but 1 out 6 isn't too bad at all)
Got Kyrie as my go-to scorer but every starter a more-than-capable scorer and my 6th man is as well.  also, Blatche can play with either Ibaka or Vucevic so I really like the way the team is shaping up.

I don't think Vucevic is a plus defender yet.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 10, 2014, 12:58:41 PM
Already inquired with Moranis, but if he's unable, is there anybody that can take a list for me today?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 10, 2014, 01:01:00 PM
Already inquired with Moranis, but if he's unable, is there anybody that can take a list for me today?

I can.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 10, 2014, 01:02:56 PM
Already inquired with Moranis, but if he's unable, is there anybody that can take a list for me today?

I can.

Thanks. TP in advance. I'll send you a list in a bit.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 10, 2014, 01:04:53 PM
I was amazed Sanders is still available. This dude can play defense.
Also I love the picks before and after mine. Both in terms of overall talent, and in terms of goodness of fit on their respective teams.

Props to Nick and AirB for drafting well.

At this juncture I'd say I am most impressed with the Blazers and the Pellies. Obviously teams like LAC and Indy and Houston scare as well, but those two teams strike me as contenders.

If not for my loaded front court, I would think I can be there, too.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 10, 2014, 01:06:20 PM
I was amazed Sanders is still available. This dude can play defense.
Also I love the picks before and after mine. Both in terms of overall talent, and in terms of goodness of fit on their respective teams.

Props to Nick and AirB for drafting well.

At this juncture I'd say I am most impressed with the Blazers and the Pellies. Obviously teams like LAC and Indy and Houston scare as well, but those two teams strike me as contenders.

If not for my loaded front court, I would think I can be there, too.

Just noticed that the CB title of Shavlik Randolph is misspelled.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 10, 2014, 01:27:47 PM
Doesn't seem like a pick will be made soon so I'll check out now. Roy has my list for my pick today.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 10, 2014, 01:44:39 PM
I was amazed Sanders is still available. This dude can play defense.
Also I love the picks before and after mine. Both in terms of overall talent, and in terms of goodness of fit on their respective teams.

Props to Nick and AirB for drafting well.

At this juncture I'd say I am most impressed with the Blazers and the Pellies. Obviously teams like LAC and Indy and Houston scare as well, but those two teams strike me as contenders.

If not for my loaded front court, I would think I can be there, too.

Despite his troubles off the court and his down season, this was the guy I was most surprised to see still sitting there this late in the draft, especially with teams always looking for center depth. I think this was a great pick for you.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 10, 2014, 01:46:22 PM
Finished with the starting lineup

Pelicans

PG: George Hill
SG: Victor Oladipo
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan

Bench for 2015: Kobe Bryant

Yeah, the P'Cans won't score a bunch but neither will the opposition
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 10, 2014, 01:49:45 PM
Portland's Starting Lineup ends with:

PG: Lillard
SG: D. Green
SF: Leonard
PF: Aldridge
C:  Noah


Scoring: Check
Defense: Check
Shooting: Check
Rebounding: Check
Youth: Check
Athleticism: Check
Leadership: Check
Hustle and Effort: Check
Playoff Experience: Check
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 10, 2014, 01:57:55 PM
Completely forgot about Sanders.  C'est la vie.  Very nice pickup.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 10, 2014, 02:02:50 PM
Team is definitely coming into place and setting up well for a long term contender as Dirk is the only guy over 25 on my team.

PG - Isaiah Thomas, Michael Carter-Williams
SG - Eric Gordon
SF - Jimmy Butler
PF - Dirk Nowtizki
C - Demarcus Cousins

I have a few guys that I think I should be able to pick up, which will compliment the team well, though I was hoping to land Tony Allen with my next pick.  Also, kind of fun to have the shortest PG in the league and I believe the tallest PG in the league. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 10, 2014, 02:02:58 PM
You know what we see less and less of in these drafts now? the "What the heck were you thinking" picks of a couple to a few years back. GGMs are just getting better and better at putting together cohesive units without making ridiculous reach picks.

Props to everybody.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 10, 2014, 02:09:52 PM
You know what we see less and less of in these drafts now? the "What the heck were you thinking" picks of a couple to a few years back. GGMs are just getting better and better at putting together cohesive units without making ridiculous reach picks.

Props to everybody.
TL;DR I'm a genius for taking Calderon.

In all seriousness, I completely agree with this. Outside of a few super-good teams (Portland I'm looking at you), the parity in this draft is excellent, and that's due to smart picks on everyone's part.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 10, 2014, 02:18:36 PM
I'm currently waiting to hear back from fitz.

If anybody has interest in the 4.19 or 5.1, let me know.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 10, 2014, 02:20:47 PM
You know what we see less and less of in these drafts now? the "What the heck were you thinking" picks of a couple to a few years back. GGMs are just getting better and better at putting together cohesive units without making ridiculous reach picks.

Props to everybody.
TL;DR I'm a genius for taking Calderon.

In all seriousness, I completely agree with this. Outside of a few super-good teams (Portland I'm looking at you), the parity in this draft is excellent, and that's due to smart picks on everyone's part.
have to agree.  everyone picked so far is someone that would have been drafted at some point.  some may be a little earlier than expected but no real shocks so far. 

I was waiting for some of the trade binkies from the general trade threads to go early but then realized none of the "Gotta Get This Guy Now And Grossly Overpay For Him" crowd was participating here.  That would be an interesting draft to see.   ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: indeedproceed on March 10, 2014, 02:34:04 PM
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Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 10, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Pending confirmation, nickagneta has the next pick.

We are still willing to move the 5.1.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 10, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
Trade

Toronto sends 4.19 and 8.1
New Orleans sends 5.11 and 6.11


I'm on my phone right now and will update front page posts in a bit.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 10, 2014, 02:59:53 PM
Trade

Toronto sends 4.19 and 8.1
New Orleans sends 5.11 and 6.11


I'm on my phone right now and will update front page posts in a bit.

Sweet.  At nick's instructions, I took Kanter.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 10, 2014, 03:09:56 PM
Houston after round 4

Bledsoe
Harden
Pierce
David Lee
Howard
Tony Allen
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 10, 2014, 03:13:21 PM
Thanks for making the pick, Roy!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 10, 2014, 04:18:49 PM
Pelicans

PG: George Hill
SG: Victor Oladipo
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan

Bench: Kobe Bryant, Enes Kanter
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 10, 2014, 04:28:12 PM
Portland's Starting Lineup ends with:

PG: Lillard
SG: D. Green
SF: Leonard
PF: Aldridge
C:  Noah


Scoring: Check
Defense: Check
Shooting: Check
Rebounding: Check
Youth: Check
Athleticism: Check
Leadership: Check
Hustle and Effort: Check
Playoff Experience: Check
This team is insanely good.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 10, 2014, 05:16:00 PM
Making official things more official.

Trade
Toronto sends: Enes Kanter (picked at 4.19), 8.1
New Orleans trades: 5.11, 6.11
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 10, 2014, 06:30:07 PM
Just log in.

First off, I think it's safe to say that Portland is front running the West.

So, this is what the Suns look like after 4 rounds.

PG: Jrue Holiday
SG: Goran Dragic
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: Terrence Jones
C  : Andrew Bogut

Bench: Draymond Green

Outside of Bogut, this is a pretty athletic team that can run you out of the gym.

Anyhow, I would like to throw away some pride and ask anyone on the panel. Is Draymond a better option at PF over T-Jones?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 10, 2014, 07:36:30 PM
Hmm, I really surprised to see one specific player still not drafted...I hope that he continues to fall.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 10, 2014, 08:02:50 PM
Hmm, I really surprised to see one specific player still not drafted...I hope that he continues to fall.

I'm probably thinking about the same exact player.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 10, 2014, 08:09:49 PM
Hmm, I really surprised to see one specific player still not drafted...I hope that he continues to fall.

I'm probably thinking about the same exact player.

That's probably make three of us.

There is one surprising player falling weirdly.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 10, 2014, 08:37:19 PM
Hmm, I really surprised to see one specific player still not drafted...I hope that he continues to fall.

I'm probably thinking about the same exact player.

That's probably make three of us.

There is one surprising player falling weirdly.

Who? Filll me in. I don't have a pick next round so you guys don't have to worry about me picking him. Just curious. PM me!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 10, 2014, 08:40:32 PM
Hmm, I really surprised to see one specific player still not drafted...I hope that he continues to fall.

I'm probably thinking about the same exact player.

That's probably make three of us.

There is one surprising player falling weirdly.

With pick 5.1, I'm happy to say I have no idea who you're talking about.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 10, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
Pelicans

PG: George Hill
SG: Victor Oladipo
SF: Chandler Parsons
PF: Anthony Davis
C: DeAndre Jordan

Bench: Kobe Bryant, Enes Kanter

I stand with my previous opinion about the Pels. Only this time, I think they got even more better defensively.

Hill, (Home)Oladipo, Brow and DeAndre is a beast of a defensive lineup. Chandler Parsons is no slouch.

I still think the offense still needs a little more help, at least while Kobe is out.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 10, 2014, 09:31:58 PM
Houston after round 4

Bledsoe
Harden
Pierce
David Lee
Howard
Tony Allen

While Tony Allen brings in more defense, IMO he's not enough to move the needle.

But Houston is very good enough to start with, so there's no harm there. I still think Harden, Pierce and Lee would need help form Dwight, and that's too much to cover. But offensively, they'll kill you in any ways possible.

TA will solve some defensive issued in the wing of course, but at the expense of offense.

Still a formidable team. A team that may allow 110 points, but will score 118.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: indeedproceed on March 10, 2014, 09:50:54 PM
Houston after round 4

Bledsoe
Harden
Pierce
David Lee
Howard
Tony Allen

While Tony Allen brings in more defense, IMO he's not enough to move the needle.

But Houston is very good enough to start with, so there's no harm there. I still think Harden, Pierce and Lee would need help form Dwight, and that's too much to cover. But offensively, they'll kill you in any ways possible.

TA will solve some defensive issued in the wing of course, but at the expense of offense.

Still a formidable team. A team that may allow 110 points, but will score 118.

Pierce is holding opposing small forwards to an 11.8 PER. David Lee is a little worse off, but he's right at about league average. Think you're over estimating the liability there.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 10, 2014, 09:57:18 PM
Houston after round 4

Bledsoe
Harden
Pierce
David Lee
Howard
Tony Allen

While Tony Allen brings in more defense, IMO he's not enough to move the needle.

But Houston is very good enough to start with, so there's no harm there. I still think Harden, Pierce and Lee would need help form Dwight, and that's too much to cover. But offensively, they'll kill you in any ways possible.

TA will solve some defensive issued in the wing of course, but at the expense of offense.

Still a formidable team. A team that may allow 110 points, but will score 118.

Pierce is holding opposing small forwards to an 11.8 PER. David Lee is a little worse off, but he's right at about league average. Think you're over estimating the liability there.

Guess I did.

I still cringe every time Lee doesn't even bother challenging layups. But I can't deny the numbers.

I guess I overlooked Pierce, point taken.

Please tell me I'm right about Harden though... ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 10, 2014, 10:15:59 PM
Pick 2 'cers

Likely going with a short rotation like the one below.

PG: Jose Calderon / (??)
SG: Lance Stephenson / [Paul George] / (??)
SF: Paul George / [Thaddeus Young]
PF: Thaddeus Young / Kevin Garnett
C: Roy Hibbert / [Kevin Garnett] / (??)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 10, 2014, 11:36:38 PM
Houston after round 4

Bledsoe
Harden
Pierce
David Lee
Howard
Tony Allen

While Tony Allen brings in more defense, IMO he's not enough to move the needle.

But Houston is very good enough to start with, so there's no harm there. I still think Harden, Pierce and Lee would need help form Dwight, and that's too much to cover. But offensively, they'll kill you in any ways possible.

TA will solve some defensive issued in the wing of course, but at the expense of offense.

Still a formidable team. A team that may allow 110 points, but will score 118.

Pierce is holding opposing small forwards to an 11.8 PER. David Lee is a little worse off, but he's right at about league average. Think you're over estimating the liability there.

Guess I did.

I still cringe every time Lee doesn't even bother challenging layups. But I can't deny the numbers.

I guess I overlooked Pierce, point taken.

Please tell me I'm right about Harden though... ;D

With Howard anchoring, Allen in the DPOY discussion almost every year, and a wise (even if slow) Pierce holding opposing sf's nicely I have a hard time thinking they would let up 110 points a game... More like 90 to 93 from my eyes.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 11, 2014, 12:03:05 AM
I don't see how defense is an issue. No opposing guards are getting easy buckets with Bledsoe and Allen. Dwight Howard is the best defensive anchor there is in the league and Pierce can still hold his own against any wings in the NBA. Harden and Lee are the only "weak" defenders I suppose, but with Howard next Lee, and Harden getting help from Bledsoe, Allen, and Pierce, I doubt that would even be an issue.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 11, 2014, 12:09:49 AM
Houston after round 4

Bledsoe
Harden
Pierce
David Lee
Howard
Tony Allen

While Tony Allen brings in more defense, IMO he's not enough to move the needle.

But Houston is very good enough to start with, so there's no harm there. I still think Harden, Pierce and Lee would need help form Dwight, and that's too much to cover. But offensively, they'll kill you in any ways possible.

TA will solve some defensive issued in the wing of course, but at the expense of offense.

Still a formidable team. A team that may allow 110 points, but will score 118.

Pierce is holding opposing small forwards to an 11.8 PER. David Lee is a little worse off, but he's right at about league average. Think you're over estimating the liability there.

Guess I did.

I still cringe every time Lee doesn't even bother challenging layups. But I can't deny the numbers.

I guess I overlooked Pierce, point taken.

Please tell me I'm right about Harden though... ;D

With Howard anchoring, Allen in the DPOY discussion almost every year, and a wise (even if slow) Pierce holding opposing sf's nicely I have a hard time thinking they would let up 110 points a game... More like 90 to 93 from my eyes.

I'm thinking that it would probably be somewhere in the middle, like 100ppg, and dependent on whether the other team can take advantage of Harden's below-average defense or tries to go up against Howard. The more that you play Tony Allen, of course, the more that this number goes down, but I think that you're offense would fall faster.  I wouldn't want to play Allen too much in your line-up, though I guess he's great to spell Pierce as long as someone is in to provide spacing and prevent Allen from attempting more than a minimum of shots.  Anyway, I really like most of your picks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 11, 2014, 12:12:31 AM
I don't see how defense is an issue. No opposing guards are getting easy buckets with Bledsoe and Allen. Dwight Howard is the best defensive anchor there is in the league and Pierce can still hold his own against any wings in the NBA. Harden and Lee are the only "weak" defenders I suppose, but with Howard next Lee, and Harden getting help from Bledsoe, Allen, and Pierce, I doubt that would even be an issue.

But putting Allen means benching either PP or Beard (I assume), that's a lot of offense to give up for defense.

Sure, that's a hard wall to break, but Tony Allen will not give this Rockets team any points.

As for Harden and Lee getting helped by Howard or Pierce or Bledsoe, well, maybe.

Bledsoe is a heck of a defender, but will he be able to effectively defend SG's at 6'1"? Those are Harden's covers that he blatantly ignores (especially those back cuts). That may be a tough out. Pierce may be a bit slow for SG's as well.

Watched a lot of David Lee games (all of it actually), he's actually a solid one on one defender. My concern is, if Dwight, say, get's stretched out on the pick and roll and leaves Lee down as a help defender, that's trouble. That's what he's bad at. He doest give effort on challenging shots, nor gives effort to even close out (on most occasions).

Dont get me wrong, I still think this Houston team is at worst, top 4. I guess I'm just picking knits (did I spell that right), about Harden getting burned and Lee's bad help defense. That could still be a problem, but after being proved wrong on Pierce by IP, it probably isnt that big of a concern. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 11, 2014, 12:48:34 AM
Yeah... Not sure how to reply to that. First you say my team will have no troubles scoring, now you're saying we will have a tough time scoring if we put Tony Allen in the lineup. I'm not sure how one guy could disrupt the flow of the offense when he will be the 5th and last option on offense every time he is on the court.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 11, 2014, 01:21:47 AM
Yeah... Not sure how to reply to that. First you say my team will have no troubles scoring, now you're saying we will have a tough time scoring if we put Tony Allen in the lineup. I'm not sure how one guy could disrupt the flow of the offense when he will be the 5th and last option on offense every time he is on the court.

I guess I phrased myself really wrong there (sorry, English is not my primary language). Let me try again.

I guess what I meant to say is, Tony Allen will provide better defense, but since you'd have to either take out (I assume) Pierce or Harden for him to be on the floor, the offense would slow down in a sense that he wont provide offense on his own, and will kill floor spacing (shooting less than 35% from 10-23 feet this year).

He'll be another very good defensive body, but on the other side,h is man can cheat a bit to double off either Lee, Howard, Harden or whoever is on the floor because he could not shoot.

A little snag, for whatever minutes he's on the floor.



Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 11, 2014, 08:22:33 AM
Taking final offers on 5.1
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 11, 2014, 08:31:14 AM
had a couple of good offers for 5.2 but not enough.  have sent my picks to AB for this round.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 11, 2014, 09:50:03 AM
Tiago Splitter is a nice pickup for Toronto. Nice flexibility in their big man rotation.

PF/SF - Josh Smith
PF      - Ryan Anderson
C/PF   - Pau Gasol
C/PF   - Tiago Splitter

Raptors can go big (Splitter, Pau), they can go small, they can go defensive or put two highly skilled offensive bigs on the floor. Or even slide Josh Smith to the 3 to put extra size at their forward positions. Can both create matchup problems for opponents or negate possible matchup problems that opponents present.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 11, 2014, 10:05:13 AM
willing to take offers on 5.11
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 11, 2014, 10:09:22 AM
Continuing my theme of making Dirk Nowitzki a babysitter, I went with Noel.  I realize it is a gamble to take a guy who has never played a game in the NBA, but I think he is a great fit (in theory) with both Cousins and Nowitzki down low and I sorely needed a rim protector (of which I think he was by far the best one available). 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 11, 2014, 10:12:00 AM
Continuing my theme of making Dirk Nowitzki a babysitter, I went with Noel.  I realize it is a gamble to take a guy who has never played a game in the NBA, but I think he is a great fit (in theory) with both Cousins and Nowitzki down low and I sorely needed a rim protector (of which I think he was by far the best one available).
I love me some Nerlens. If he develops into what some think he will be, then you just get a steal.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 11, 2014, 10:12:14 AM
Tiago Splitter is a nice pickup for Toronto. Nice flexibility in their big man rotation.

PF/SF - Josh Smith
PF      - Ryan Anderson
C/PF   - Pau Gasol
C/PF   - Tiago Splitter

Raptors can go big (Splitter, Pau), they can go small, they can go defensive or put two highly skilled offensive bigs on the floor. Or even slide Josh Smith to the 3 to put extra size at their forward positions. Can both create matchup problems for opponents or negate possible matchup problems that opponents present.

Splitter was my first choice today, but Roy beat me too it.  A very underrated defender.  Then had to go with the homer pick Olynyk as a fallback plan.  He has been playing very well lately.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 11, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
I wanted Nerlens on my team, just so I can ask him if his name really is from pronouncing "New Orleans" in ermahgerd style.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 11, 2014, 10:59:02 AM
A lot of good players available.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 11, 2014, 11:01:46 AM
Also taking offers for Lee, Pierce, Allen.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 11, 2014, 11:18:49 AM
did we hit a snag on BleedGreen?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 11, 2014, 11:20:51 AM
did we hit a snag on BleedGreen?

Guess so; he's skipped for now. So are you technically, but you're here so you can/should pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 11, 2014, 11:33:56 AM
Suns now have it's SG.

A young, blossoming player who's quietly (for many reasons) having a solid season.

Averagin 13.8 PPG, a solid 3rd guard who can attack the rim and is still perfect for (thanks Who) running style offense that is led by Dragon and Jrue.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 11, 2014, 11:38:43 AM
It was definitely time for Walker and Teague.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 11, 2014, 11:39:37 AM
It was definitely time for Walker and Teague.

Teague is the guy I though was dropping dramatically.

Not having an efficient year, but still playing very well.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 11, 2014, 11:40:20 AM
There finally goes two PGs that normally would be taken much higher. That's what happens when you only have 20 teams in a league saturated with competent PGs.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 11, 2014, 11:42:38 AM
I considered Teague and Walker when I took Carter-Williams yesterday, but ultimately I went for the younger, bigger, and better all around player in MCW.  I am surprised that Teague (especially) was around this long, but when everyone has quality starting PG's and there are so many good PG's out there I guess it really isn't that surprising that he slipped a little.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Evantime34 on March 11, 2014, 11:44:10 AM
It was definitely time for Walker and Teague.
I think between Lawson and Teague, they could both push the ball every time possible and since they are splitting minutes they won't get tired.

Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 11, 2014, 11:54:54 AM
Darn. I was hoping one of Teague/Kemba would be available at my next pick.

Would've been great backup PGs for Tony Parker.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 11, 2014, 11:57:54 AM
Shocked they lasted this long. Great picks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 11, 2014, 12:13:58 PM
Portland's Starting Lineup ends with:

PG: Lillard
SG: D. Green
SF: Leonard
PF: Aldridge
C:  Noah


You know, for as much as I absolutely loved your core when it was just Lillard, Leonard, Aldridge & Noah, I was a bit worried you might not be able to fill out the starting lineup (especially considering the dearth of high quality SG's in the league today), having traded away your 3rd round pick.

Obviously, this is more a byproduct of there only being 20 teams in this draft, but getting Green with your 4th round pick is a steal none the less.

This is just a phenomenal starting 5.  Job well done, PJ!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 11, 2014, 12:20:00 PM
Can we pick, or do we wait until after the break?

There's a guy we like, but we are also okay moving the pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 11, 2014, 12:22:53 PM
I don't see how defense is an issue. No opposing guards are getting easy buckets with Bledsoe and Allen. Dwight Howard is the best defensive anchor there is in the league and Pierce can still hold his own against any wings in the NBA. Harden and Lee are the only "weak" defenders I suppose, but with Howard next Lee, and Harden getting help from Bledsoe, Allen, and Pierce, I doubt that would even be an issue.

But putting Allen means benching either PP or Beard (I assume), that's a lot of offense to give up for defense.

Sure, that's a hard wall to break, but Tony Allen will not give this Rockets team any points.

As for Harden and Lee getting helped by Howard or Pierce or Bledsoe, well, maybe.

Bledsoe is a heck of a defender, but will he be able to effectively defend SG's at 6'1"? Those are Harden's covers that he blatantly ignores (especially those back cuts). That may be a tough out. Pierce may be a bit slow for SG's as well.

Watched a lot of David Lee games (all of it actually), he's actually a solid one on one defender. My concern is, if Dwight, say, get's stretched out on the pick and roll and leaves Lee down as a help defender, that's trouble. That's what he's bad at. He doest give effort on challenging shots, nor gives effort to even close out (on most occasions).

Dont get me wrong, I still think this Houston team is at worst, top 4. I guess I'm just picking knits (did I spell that right), about Harden getting burned and Lee's bad help defense. That could still be a problem, but after being proved wrong on Pierce by IP, it probably isnt that big of a concern.

I think the simple answer here is using a 'closing' lineup of Harden, Allen, Pierce, Lee & Howard.

Bledsoe a better individual player, but his talents are a bit redundant with those of Harden.  TA is such an excellent, and versatile defender, having him in the lineup with Pierce and Harden would allow TA to likely guard the best player on the opposition 1-3.  The overall offensive talents of the rest of that lineup would mitigate whatever shortcomings TA has on offense.

Houston is still my co-favorite, along with Portland.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 11, 2014, 12:25:06 PM
I personally have the Blazers as my #1 seed in the west. That being said, I have one main concern: Green and Leonard are not as comfortable with the ball in their hands as Matthews and Batum. Lillard can operate so well off the ball that this line-up potentially limits him in that capacity.

However, seeing how well PJ has drafted, I wouldn't be surprised for him to add rotation players who will allow Lillard to act more as a 2 than a 1. This team would be a pleasure to watch.

Unrelated: I want to see Rockets/Pellies. High quality on one end of the floor, JV on the other.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 11, 2014, 12:34:05 PM
Portland's Starting Lineup ends with:

PG: Lillard
SG: D. Green
SF: Leonard
PF: Aldridge
C:  Noah


You know, for as much as I absolutely loved your core when it was just Lillard, Leonard, Aldridge & Noah, I was a bit worried you might not be able to fill out the starting lineup (especially considering the dearth of high quality SG's in the league today), having traded away your 3rd round pick.

Obviously, this is more a byproduct of there only being 20 teams in this draft, but getting Green with your 4th round pick is a steal none the less.

This is just a phenomenal starting 5.  Job well done, PJ!

Thanks! TP for the feedback. I feel I was lucky that Green was still there. Now I hope I don't screw up my bench!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 11, 2014, 12:35:03 PM
Can we pick, or do we wait until after the break?

There's a guy we like, but we are also okay moving the pick.

I think to give BG and Enzzo a chance to make their picks, it would be nice if you could wait until the end of the break, but as per the rules there's nothing making you wait.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 11, 2014, 12:42:09 PM
I personally have the Blazers as my #1 seed in the west. That being said, I have one main concern: Green and Leonard are not as comfortable with the ball in their hands as Matthews and Batum. Lillard can operate so well off the ball that this line-up potentially limits him in that capacity.

However, seeing how well PJ has drafted, I wouldn't be surprised for him to add rotation players who will allow Lillard to act more as a 2 than a 1. This team would be a pleasure to watch.

Unrelated: I want to see Rockets/Pellies. High quality on one end of the floor, JV on the other.

Noah is quite possible the best passing big in the game.  I don't see much of an issue.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 11, 2014, 12:47:13 PM
Sorry guys. Held up in a meeting all morning.

Will make my selection shortly.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 11, 2014, 01:39:10 PM
airbelinelli is one happy camper.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 11, 2014, 01:49:20 PM
Marco Belinelli is having a great year for the Spurs. 50% from the field, 44% from 3 and 85% from the FT line. Third most minutes on the team after Tim Duncan and Tony Parker.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 11, 2014, 02:01:53 PM
figures.  had one guy at the top of my list for next round and was watching a bunch of guys get picked that I had slotted for later rounds.  Got really optimistic I'd land him next round, but no, freaking Young Nick has to go and snag Martell Webster on me.   >:(
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 11, 2014, 02:03:36 PM
Looking to make another pick at either the end of this round or beginning of the 6th. Pm me if you're looking to move a selection.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: airbelinelli on March 11, 2014, 02:26:52 PM
Had to nab belinelli, not just because of my username but also feel he'd be a great fit next to Curry.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 11, 2014, 03:26:17 PM
What do people think of Toronto's many lineups?

Starters:
Lowry
Reddick
DeRozan
Smith
Gasol

Big:
Lowry
DeRozan
Smith
Splitter
Gasol

Scoring:
Lowry
Derozan
Smith
Anderson
Gasol
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 11, 2014, 03:29:10 PM
What do people think of Toronto's many lineups?

Starters:
Lowry
Reddick
DeRozan
Smith
Gasol

Big:
Lowry
DeRozan
Smith
Splitter
Gasol

Scoring:
Lowry
Derozan
Smith
Anderson
Gasol

Defense / rebounding:

Lowry
DeRozan
Carroll
Smith
Gasol

Shooting:

Lowry
Redick
Carroll
Anderson
Gasol

Fun stuff.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 11, 2014, 03:38:20 PM
I'm mostly looking forward to playing with my team in 2k. Calderon, Jack, and George are all lights-out  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on March 11, 2014, 03:41:52 PM
I'm mostly looking forward to playing with my team in 2k. Calderon, Jack, and George are all lights-out  ;D

Already played with mine.

Scoring isn't pretty but defense and rebounding is top notch.

Jamal Crawford is an animal too in 2K lol.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 11, 2014, 03:49:52 PM
I'm mostly looking forward to playing with my team in 2k. Calderon, Jack, and George are all lights-out  ;D

Already played with mine.

Scoring isn't pretty but defense and rebounding is top notch.

Jamal Crawford is an animal too in 2K lol.

Korver is always good for a few catch-and-shoot threes in 2k. Pretty much automatic.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 11, 2014, 04:26:26 PM
Welcome back, STAT!

PHX is going to fix that knee and you'll be back in All Star for in no time.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 11, 2014, 05:58:08 PM
A little worried about my interior D but Al Jefferson has turned the corner this year on defense.  His coaches has said as much too.  Lots of smart GMs here so picking 17th in the first round my team isn't real top heavy, and tried to go after guys that are a little under the radar, or trending up.

Some of my guys have been on a tear lately.

big Al's last 10 games 25.6 PPG, 9.5 RPG, .546 FG% (Maybe best low post scorer in league)
Faried's last 6 games in March 20.3 PPG, 10.3 RPG, .655 FG%
Olynyk's last 3 games in March 16.7 PPG, 6.6 RPG, .493 FG% 3 point shooting improving
Tobias Harris's last 10 games 18.8 PPG, 6.4 RPG, .519 FG%.  Always liked this player.
Ross last 9 games 13.6 PPG and .523 FG% Excellent 3 pt shooter.  Coming into his own since they traded Gay.

Really like my backcourt of Beal and Wall.  Focus my offense around Wall and Jefferson with others playing off of them

Saying all that it's going to be tough beating some of the teams out there.  :-\
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 11, 2014, 06:13:45 PM
So, whats our Over - Under on how many more games Amare will play?

But in all seriouness, 14 points, 5 rebounds, 62% shooting in his last 10 games.

He's still rounding into form, but now we se he's really, albeit slowly, coming back.

Although, is better to start Stat over Jones?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 11, 2014, 09:14:21 PM
Methinks someone who was going to continue to fall is going to go pretty quickly in the next round because of today's NBA games.

... mysterious ...
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Merovech on March 11, 2014, 09:55:47 PM
Methinks someone who was going to continue to fall is going to go pretty quickly in the next round because of today's NBA games.

... mysterious ...

On that note, now selling 6.1.  Send me your best offer and you could get the steal of the draft!  (I may have overdrafted two positions at the expense of another...)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 12, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
thought about trading the pick, but I couldn't pass up Miles Plumlee at this point.  Just his second year and is the starting center for a team 9 games above .500 out west.  In just under 26 minutes he is going for 8.6 p, 8.2 r, and 1.3 b (per 36 that is around 12/11.5/2).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 12, 2014, 10:44:20 AM
ENZZO: If you do not make today's selection by your deadline time, I will make both picks for you.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 12, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
A reminder that if you don't think you can make your pick, sending a list is always an option. I'll make your pick for you, even if it's on my phone in class.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 12, 2014, 11:22:41 AM
Remember when DeAndre Jordan was considered a poor man's Javale McGee?  How the mighty have fallen.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 12, 2014, 11:24:10 AM
Methinks someone who was going to continue to fall is going to go pretty quickly in the next round because of today's NBA games.

... mysterious ...

On that note, now selling 6.1.  Send me your best offer and you could get the steal of the draft!  (I may have overdrafted two positions at the expense of another...)

If anyone was curious, the guy I was thinking of was Bynum.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 12, 2014, 12:05:07 PM
Wow, can't believe one player is still on the board. Really hoping he continues to fall.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 12, 2014, 12:10:54 PM
Methinks someone who was going to continue to fall is going to go pretty quickly in the next round because of today's NBA games.

... mysterious ...

On that note, now selling 6.1.  Send me your best offer and you could get the steal of the draft!  (I may have overdrafted two positions at the expense of another...)

If anyone was curious, the guy I was thinking of was Bynum.
one game does not a valuable player make. 

I saw Bynum as a gamble until the last round when people would have plenty of opportunity to grab a reliable backup center by then.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 12, 2014, 12:19:51 PM
Wow, can't believe one player is still on the board. Really hoping he continues to fall.
there's one that really stands out to me.  curious if he's the guy you'll be taking with your pick
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 12, 2014, 12:20:14 PM
Kirilenko + Green = Enough energy to power Raccoon City.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 12, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
No idea where Enzzo is, so I'll make his picks.

Yesterday's (5.10) pick: Darren Collison
Today's (6.10) pick: Timofey Mozgov

I want to kick you right now.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 12, 2014, 12:35:39 PM
Remember when DeAndre Jordan was considered a poor man's Javale McGee?  How the mighty have fallen.

Not sure if McGee was every mighty.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 12, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
Remember when DeAndre Jordan was considered a poor man's Javale McGee?  How the mighty have fallen.

Not sure if McGee was every mighty.

Or considered better the DeAndre
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 12, 2014, 12:41:19 PM
well all the people I considered for my pick have now gone off the board.  I did really want Brewer though.  Thought he would have been a nice addition and I was hoping AK47 was going to slip through the cracks till next round, oh well.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 12, 2014, 12:47:57 PM
Remember when DeAndre Jordan was considered a poor man's Javale McGee?  How the mighty have fallen.

Not sure if McGee was every mighty.

He was mighty overrated for a couple seasons.   :)

But very good value for a 6th pick I think.


Or considered better the DeAndre

In the very first Pick 2 draft (2010?) I took DeAndre around now and it was generally criticized as a reach.  Meanwhile Javale was actually a keeper once or twice.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: indeedproceed on March 12, 2014, 01:03:28 PM
Remember when DeAndre Jordan was considered a poor man's Javale McGee?  How the mighty have fallen.

Not sure if McGee was every mighty.

He was mighty overrated for a couple seasons.   :)

But very good value for a 6th pick I think.


Or considered better the DeAndre

In the very first Pick 2 draft (2010?) I took DeAndre around now and it was generally criticized as a reach.  Meanwhile Javale was actually a keeper once or twice.

Well he didn't get that extension based on the smell of his shoes, and someone whose job depended on it gave him that money, and then someone traded for him ( before abandoning the sinking ship). He had huge potential.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 12, 2014, 01:12:26 PM
I'll admit this is funny, so I'm gonna move this to general commentary.

The Detroit Pistons select Wilson Chandler

Liam Neeson'd.

Nice one dude.
new catchphrase for the draft.  TP
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 12, 2014, 01:15:12 PM
well all the people I considered for my pick have now gone off the board.  I did really want Brewer though.  Thought he would have been a nice addition and I was hoping AK47 was going to slip through the cracks till next round, oh well.
makes me feel very proud of myself that I had Brewer at the top of my board for this round   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 12, 2014, 01:33:42 PM
Seeing as this is a bit of an experimental year, I've been considering a small addition to the end of the draft that I would like feedback on.

I propose having a round of voting for superlatives. There will be a set number of categories, and each GM can vote for a team that matches each superlative by sending a PM to me (can't vote for your own team of course).

The advantage of superlatives is that there are no defined "losers," preserving the laid-back atmosphere of the Pick 2 going forward in future years.

Categories could include:
Best overall team
Team of the future
Best defensive team
Best offensive team
Most athletic team

If you think this is a good or bad idea, please reply to this post saying so.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 12, 2014, 01:36:09 PM
Seeing as this is a bit of an experimental year, I've been considering a small addition to the end of the draft that I would like feedback on.

I propose having a round of voting for superlatives. There will be a set number of categories, and each GM can vote for a team that matches each superlative by sending a PM to me (can't vote for your own team of course).

The advantage of superlatives is that there are no defined "losers," preserving the laid-back atmosphere of the Pick 2 going forward in future years.

Categories could include:
Best overall team
Team of the future
Best defensive team
Best offensive team
Most athletic team

If you think this is a good or bad idea, please reply to this post saying so.

Good idea. Why not throw in some more exotic categories, such as Craziest Team, Team Most Likely to Get in a Fight, or Most Hate-able Team (Hi Miami)?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 12, 2014, 01:38:53 PM
As much as I love Giannis, I can't help but think it's a bit early for him to be selected. Then again, when he is an All-Star two years from now, I'll probably need help dislodging my foot from my mouth.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 12, 2014, 01:41:03 PM

Or considered better the DeAndre

In the very first Pick 2 draft (2010?) I took DeAndre around now and it was generally criticized as a reach.  Meanwhile Javale was actually a keeper once or twice.

Well, in a draft where a guy like Wade ends up not a keeper, I'm not sure how much this proves.

I've never liked McGee.



EDIT: Not saying it's a bad pick for this stage of the game.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 12, 2014, 01:42:03 PM
Three guys ahead of me. One guy I really want. This is going to be a nail-biter.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 12, 2014, 01:42:46 PM
Seeing as this is a bit of an experimental year, I've been considering a small addition to the end of the draft that I would like feedback on.

I propose having a round of voting for superlatives. There will be a set number of categories, and each GM can vote for a team that matches each superlative by sending a PM to me (can't vote for your own team of course).

The advantage of superlatives is that there are no defined "losers," preserving the laid-back atmosphere of the Pick 2 going forward in future years.

Categories could include:
Best overall team
Team of the future
Best defensive team
Best offensive team
Most athletic team

If you think this is a good or bad idea, please reply to this post saying so.

Love it.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: airbelinelli on March 12, 2014, 01:45:20 PM
Mr. Young Nick,

While it may have been a bit early to grab him, he does have ridiculous potential and I think hes a good fit with my team. He's not going to be asked to do a lot, he'd get minutes when Iggy is sitting and has the length needed to be a force on defense while running the break and getting passes from Curry.

With the horford injury, I kinda took myself out of win now mode, so getting potentially the best player in albeit a weak draft class is a pretty good nab for me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: indeedproceed on March 12, 2014, 01:47:16 PM
Portland should love it, they're front and center for best overall.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 12, 2014, 01:50:46 PM
I'd recommend against any superlatives. The thing that sets Pick 2 apart, and that keeps it "chill", is that there's no competition at all. I would hate to see that change. People can discuss their teams and their favorites, but I don't think there should be a "winner" or a "best".
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 12, 2014, 01:53:02 PM
Portland should love it, they're front and center for best overall.

Exactly.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 12, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
Portland should love it, they're front and center for best overall.

That's what happens when you consolidate for more top tier talent in a deep draft. If I had the time early on, I would have pushed for something similar.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 12, 2014, 01:56:23 PM

Or considered better the DeAndre

In the very first Pick 2 draft (2010?) I took DeAndre around now and it was generally criticized as a reach.  Meanwhile Javale was actually a keeper once or twice.

Well, in a draft where a guy like Wade ends up not a keeper, I'm not sure how much this proves.

I've never liked McGee.



EDIT: Not saying it's a bad pick for this stage of the game.

No worries, I don't really like McGee either.  But he still has too much potential to pass on this late in the draft.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 12, 2014, 01:59:16 PM
I'd recommend against any superlatives. The thing that sets Pick 2 apart, and that keeps it "chill", is that there's no competition at all. I would hate to see that change. People can discuss their teams and their favorites, but I don't think there should be a "winner" or a "best".

I agree with this, one of the reasons I really like this draft and don't care for the CB draft is that I can just put together a team I like instead of worrying about impressing anybody.  Which is good since nobody seems too impressed with the new-look Celtics.   :)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 12, 2014, 02:04:14 PM
I'd recommend against any superlatives. The thing that sets Pick 2 apart, and that keeps it "chill", is that there's no competition at all. I would hate to see that change. People can discuss their teams and their favorites, but I don't think there should be a "winner" or a "best".

I agree with this, one of the reasons I really like this draft and don't care for the CB draft is that I can just put together a team I like instead of worrying about impressing anybody.  Which is good since nobody seems too impressed with the new-look Celtics.   :)

Other than McGee, I'd like watching the Pick 2 Celtics play.  Heck, I think I could even wrap my head around rooting for Gerald again.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 12, 2014, 02:05:56 PM
The Los Angeles Clippers select JR Smith.

Based on where he would have been taken at the beginning of the season, Smith is one of the biggest fallers.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 12, 2014, 02:06:06 PM
I'd recommend against any superlatives. The thing that sets Pick 2 apart, and that keeps it "chill", is that there's no competition at all. I would hate to see that change. People can discuss their teams and their favorites, but I don't think there should be a "winner" or a "best".

I agree with this, one of the reasons I really like this draft and don't care for the CB draft is that I can just put together a team I like instead of worrying about impressing anybody.  Which is good since nobody seems too impressed with the new-look Celtics.   :)
I think they're better than the current-reality Celtics.  take that for what it's worth though
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 12, 2014, 02:06:57 PM
The Los Angeles Clippers select JR Smith.

Based on where he would have been taken at the beginning of the season, Smith is one of the biggest fallers.
agreed, probably the biggest dropper for non-injury reasons
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 12, 2014, 02:07:33 PM
Seeing as this is a bit of an experimental year, I've been considering a small addition to the end of the draft that I would like feedback on.

I propose having a round of voting for superlatives. There will be a set number of categories, and each GM can vote for a team that matches each superlative by sending a PM to me (can't vote for your own team of course).

The advantage of superlatives is that there are no defined "losers," preserving the laid-back atmosphere of the Pick 2 going forward in future years.

Categories could include:
Best overall team
Team of the future
Best defensive team
Best offensive team
Most athletic team

If you think this is a good or bad idea, please reply to this post saying so.

Good idea. Why not throw in some more exotic categories, such as Craziest Team, Team Most Likely to Get in a Fight, or Most Hate-able Team (Hi Miami)?

I do think that these are both good ideas to incorporate into the CB Draft, perhaps to make it feel less "winner take all".
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 12, 2014, 02:08:16 PM
Still looking to trade for one of the remaining picks this round.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 12, 2014, 02:09:09 PM
I'd recommend against any superlatives. The thing that sets Pick 2 apart, and that keeps it "chill", is that there's no competition at all. I would hate to see that change. People can discuss their teams and their favorites, but I don't think there should be a "winner" or a "best".

I agree with this, one of the reasons I really like this draft and don't care for the CB draft is that I can just put together a team I like instead of worrying about impressing anybody.  Which is good since nobody seems too impressed with the new-look Celtics.   :)
I think they're better than the current-reality Celtics.  take that for what it's worth though

With 20 teams I think everyone's solidly better than their real-life equivalents.  But thanks!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 12, 2014, 02:11:49 PM
Ecstatic that Markieff Morris fell to me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 12, 2014, 02:13:09 PM
Wow, can't believe one player is still on the board. Really hoping he continues to fall.
there's one that really stands out to me.  curious if he's the guy you'll be taking with your pick
Morris was not the guy I thought you were referring to.

turns out AB is the one that snagged my guy JJ
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 12, 2014, 02:16:16 PM
Wow, can't believe one player is still on the board. Really hoping he continues to fall.
there's one that really stands out to me.  curious if he's the guy you'll be taking with your pick
Morris was not the guy I thought you were referring to.

turns out AB is the one that snagged my guy JJ

I would say Morris is the front runner for 6th man of the year. Having a great season for the Suns.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 12, 2014, 02:24:19 PM
I would say Morris is the front runner for 6th man of the year. Having a great season for the Suns.

He's definitely had a brilliant year and will get a few votes here and there for the 6th man of the year, but to call him the frontrunner seems a bit egregious. I can't really say anything about him that sets him far apart from Jamal Crawford or Reggie Jackson, who are both more obvious choices for me. However, as far as draft position goes, Markieff was definitely a solid addition at this point in the draft.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 12, 2014, 02:32:11 PM
I would say Morris is the front runner for 6th man of the year. Having a great season for the Suns.

He's definitely had a brilliant year and will get a few votes here and there for the 6th man of the year, but to call him the frontrunner seems a bit egregious. I can't really say anything about him that sets him far apart from Jamal Crawford or Reggie Jackson, who are both more obvious choices for me. However, as far as draft position goes, Markieff was definitely a solid addition at this point in the draft.

Jackson has started a chunk of games in place of Russ so you would have to take that into consideration. That might have helped out his stats a bit. Crawford, he's in the conversation every year, so I'll give you that.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 12, 2014, 02:58:23 PM
Darn. I thought Chris Andersen would last another round or two. He's a guy who often slips in these drafts for some unknown reason. Nice pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 12, 2014, 03:00:46 PM
I'd recommend against any superlatives. The thing that sets Pick 2 apart, and that keeps it "chill", is that there's no competition at all. I would hate to see that change. People can discuss their teams and their favorites, but I don't think there should be a "winner" or a "best".
That is just because it is clear that my team is a dynasty a couple of seasons down the road.  No one will touch me when my guys all hit their prime (aside from Dirk of course whose prime ship sailed a few seasons back).
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 12, 2014, 03:01:09 PM

REMINDER

Tomorrow there are TWO rounds of drafting. That means that the majority of you will have two picks to make instead of one (unless you made a trade).

Check the pick times post (below) for when your picks are due, and don't be late!
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=69943.msg1631922#msg1631922

- Your friendly neighborhood commissioner AB.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 12, 2014, 04:52:01 PM
Darn. I thought Chris Andersen would last another round or two. He's a guy who often slips in these drafts for some unknown reason. Nice pick.

I was leary as to whether it was too early for him or not but I wanted him so I went for it. The props make me feel better about the decision. TP.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 12, 2014, 09:39:26 PM
Paul Pierce still got it. Completely destroyed Lebron tonight.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 12, 2014, 09:41:14 PM
Paul Pierce still got it. Completely destroyed Lebron tonight.
He was on fire!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 12, 2014, 09:49:43 PM
Paul Pierce still got it. Completely destroyed Lebron tonight.
He was on fire!
always great to see PP have a good night.  against Bron is just extra special
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 13, 2014, 10:59:23 AM
OJ Mayo is a really nice pickup this late in the draft.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 13, 2014, 11:00:30 AM
I think OJ Mayo is a really nice pickup this late in the draft.

Not a Mayo fan, but at this point in the draft, that's a good pick.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 13, 2014, 11:01:52 AM
OJ Mayo is a really nice pickup this late in the draft.

Thank you!

Mayo with the Bucks is a disaster. I think it's proven that he can never be the number 1 option. But if you put him in a system where he's not the focal point of the offense, a la Dallas, he will do some damage.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 13, 2014, 11:03:54 AM
Please stay on top of your pick times. Don't pick before you're up, and try not to pick late.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Evantime34 on March 13, 2014, 11:05:00 AM
Please stay on top of your pick times. Don't pick before you're up, and try not to pick late.
I know it's not my time to pick yet, I just thought I was up, honest mistake.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 13, 2014, 11:05:59 AM
Please stay on top of your pick times. Don't pick before you're up, and try not to pick late.
I know it's not my time to pick yet, I just thought I was up, honest mistake.
Of course, it happens. Just reminding people.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 13, 2014, 11:22:36 AM
Pretty happy with my two picks today.  Got a great young passing PG (9.5 apg) who is a solid outside shooter (43% from three) in Kendall Marshall and a cagey veteran scorer (and underrated defender) in Vince Carter.

Team is shaping up pretty well

Starters - Isaiah Thomas, Eric Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Dirk Nowitzki, Demarcus Cousins
Bench - Kendall Marshall, Michael Carter-Williams, Vince Carter, Miles Plumlee, Nerlens Noel

Looking for a 3 and a 4 from my two picks tomorrow, with some guys I think should be on the board.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: celticpride07 on March 13, 2014, 11:26:17 AM
Shopping brook Lopez for a decent PF or C PM me if you have interest
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 13, 2014, 12:47:42 PM
OJ Mayo is a really nice pickup this late in the draft.

Thank you!

Mayo with the Bucks is a disaster. I think it's proven that he can never be the number 1 option. But if you put him in a system where he's not the focal point of the offense, a la Dallas, he will do some damage.

I fully agree with this line of reasoning. To be honest, I think this round has featured possibly the wisest drafting we have seen so far in the Pick 2. Everybody is stepping up.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 13, 2014, 12:53:30 PM
Not sure where Yoki and rondoallaturca are. Hopefully they'll show up soon.

Merovech is up.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 13, 2014, 01:27:05 PM
New Orleans with pick 8.3 selects Brandon Bass

I like that pick. That is a nice pick.

(http://img.geocaching.com/cache/a43272eb-f2dc-4a52-b6da-07b6e998114c.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 13, 2014, 01:27:55 PM
Darn - I was hoping Bass or J.Dudley would be there by my next pick.

Chalmers and Bass are really good pickups for New Orleans.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 13, 2014, 01:45:54 PM
Wanted Bass too. Great value at this point.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 13, 2014, 01:47:03 PM
Im not trying to be a jerk here, I just want to put that on recrord.

I appreciate what The Commish has done, running a very smooth draft. Due to work circumstance I lost the ability to pick on time and leave a list. That one is on me.

With that in mind, thanks for being great AB, but id appreciate if I just get skipped instead of being "auto picked". Again, not trying to be a jerk, but id rather lose the advantage of picking early than getting a player I dont really think will help my team.

I apologize in advance for any inconvinience this post gets. Im not sure if its in the rules that we get auto picked. If it is, then its an honest mistake, and please disregard this statement all together.

Again, missing my pick and not being able to send a list is entirely my fault. But id reeally rather just take the consequence of being skipped than getting auto picked. I dont know if im speaking for the rest but thats just me.

With that in mind, thanks AB_Celtic for running a great draft.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 13, 2014, 01:50:53 PM
I agree with Yoki. In previous years, auto-pick was only used in the earlier rounds, at this point, I don't think it's necessary. Or at least have the patience to wait it out a round before making auto-picks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 13, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
Alright, I'll admit a mistake on my part. I shouldn't have made some auto picks in those cases.

However, we can't allow people to re-pick. That might have changed subsequent people's picks. I'm sorry for any inconvenience this causes, but those auto-picks are the guys you get. If you have any further issues or want more clarification, feel free to PM me.

Apologies to those who didn't get their guy. No more auto-picks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 13, 2014, 01:56:26 PM
Alright, I'll admit a mistake on my part. I shouldn't have made some auto picks in those cases.

However, we can't allow people to re-pick. That might have changed subsequent people's picks. I'm sorry for any inconvenience this causes, but those auto-picks are the guys you get. If you have any further issues or want more clarification, feel free to PM me.

Apologies to those who didn't get their guy. No more auto-picks.

I imagine the best way to go about this for each individual to let AB_Celtic know what he should do in the unfortunate event of missing a pick. Should he autopick? If so, how long after your draft time elapses? After X minutes or Y draft choices?
I think this will leave everyone happier moving forward.

I for one would like to be autopicked if I miss my pick by an hour.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 13, 2014, 01:56:34 PM
agreed on auto-pick.  would rather have that person skipped than have someone assigned to them.  ensures either active participation or that lists are submitted in advance to get who they want. 

Personally, I've had to rely on AB making a lot of my picks due to last minute changes to my schedule but he's been more than willing to help out in those regards.  being available for your picks or missing out has long been an understanding when playing this game.  it offered a big advantage to those who would wait for the preceding person to miss their time and then snatch up the player they wanted as soon as they were on the clock. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 13, 2014, 02:31:32 PM
Alright, I'll admit a mistake on my part. I shouldn't have made some auto picks in those cases.

However, we can't allow people to re-pick. That might have changed subsequent people's picks. I'm sorry for any inconvenience this causes, but those auto-picks are the guys you get. If you have any further issues or want more clarification, feel free to PM me.

Apologies to those who didn't get their guy. No more auto-picks.

That being said, I'm likely going to continue to auto-pick for Enzzo, unless anyone has an objection.

Sorry again folks.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 13, 2014, 02:38:09 PM
Alright, I'll admit a mistake on my part. I shouldn't have made some auto picks in those cases.

However, we can't allow people to re-pick. That might have changed subsequent people's picks. I'm sorry for any inconvenience this causes, but those auto-picks are the guys you get. If you have any further issues or want more clarification, feel free to PM me.

Apologies to those who didn't get their guy. No more auto-picks.

That being said, I'm likely going to continue to auto-pick for Enzzo, unless anyone has an objection.

Sorry again folks.
So long as you don't snag the guy I want, auto pick all day. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 13, 2014, 02:52:21 PM
being available for your picks or missing out has long been an understanding when playing this game.  it offered a big advantage to those who would wait for the preceding person to miss their time and then snatch up the player they wanted as soon as they were on the clock.

See I don't like this. First off I thought we all were under the impression that this is a more laid back league, unlike DKC or CB. We want everyone to do as well as possible, so I think it's kinda BS for people to pick the second that they are allowed. Let's give people some leniency.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 13, 2014, 02:54:15 PM
I want to have the most fun team in the league. So on that note I take SWAGGY P!. Young, Nick

Well **** me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 13, 2014, 03:07:42 PM
I now have 3 Bobcats on my team.  Jefferson, Zeller, and Henderson.  Didn't plan it that way I swear.  Lol
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 13, 2014, 03:08:31 PM
I really like the PJ Tucker pick too. New Orleans getting great value in this round. Chalmers, Tucker and Bass.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 13, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
being available for your picks or missing out has long been an understanding when playing this game.  it offered a big advantage to those who would wait for the preceding person to miss their time and then snatch up the player they wanted as soon as they were on the clock.

See I don't like this. First off I thought we all were under the impression that this is a more laid back league, unlike DKC or CB. We want everyone to do as well as possible, so I think it's kinda BS for people to pick the second that they are allowed. Let's give people some leniency.
the review/evaluation is still laid back.  getting the best player isn't necessarily.  wasn't in the past.  used to be almost automatic jumping in as soon as someone missed their timeslot so you could grab your guy before the late person could take them.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Young Nick on March 13, 2014, 03:27:50 PM
I am new here so I admit that you definitely know more about how these things go than I do. I still believe in a fair fight and thus giving people a few minutes' leniency. AB_Celtic could have autopicked from airb's list the second the clock struck 3:21, but he gave me fair warning and waited when I told him I was merely deciding between two people.

15 minutes per pick (now 10) is not much time, especially for those who have jobs or are in class when their selections are due. I don't want to be successful by taking advantage of this fact, I want to do so via crafting the best team while we all are on an equal playing field.

This is my own personal style; I am not imposing this upon anyone. I just think that's the best way to go about this in a fantasy game in such a devoted community such as f.CB. Feel free to disagree, these are good conversations to get all 20 GM's on the same page!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 13, 2014, 03:29:15 PM
New Orleans Pelicans

PG: George Hill/Mario Chalmers
SG: Victor Oladipo/Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons/P.J. Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis/Brandon Bass
C: DeAndre Jordan/Enes Kanter
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 13, 2014, 03:39:25 PM
I am new here so I admit that you definitely know more about how these things go than I do. I still believe in a fair fight and thus giving people a few minutes' leniency. AB_Celtic could have autopicked from airb's list the second the clock struck 3:21, but he gave me fair warning and waited when I told him I was merely deciding between two people.

15 minutes per pick (now 10) is not much time, especially for those who have jobs or are in class when their selections are due. I don't want to be successful by taking advantage of this fact, I want to do so via crafting the best team while we all are on an equal playing field.

This is my own personal style; I am not imposing this upon anyone. I just think that's the best way to go about this in a fantasy game in such a devoted community such as f.CB. Feel free to disagree, these are good conversations to get all 20 GM's on the same page!
I get you.  no problem.  it's a much different dynamic with just 20 GMs than 30.  getting the player you want is more likely with less people picking. 

I'm one of those that work during the draft so I definitely get the challenges and have done as best I can to work within those timelines.   usually I get around this by asking for a team that picks late in the draft but I usually get hosed in the draft rounds with a lot of good players gone before I pick.  I'm actually enjoying being on the opposite end this time around even with the timing issues.  Thankfully AB's been a great sport about helping get my picks in for me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 13, 2014, 03:41:17 PM
Portland will add the playoff tested, Lebron stopping, high IQ'd, all around veteran play of Boris Diaw
BOOO  HISSS

took my next guy you thief!!   guess that's fair play for stealing Brewer from you.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 13, 2014, 03:45:08 PM
Dang it, PJ! Let me regroup here.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 13, 2014, 04:00:58 PM
Finally back. Regarding the missed pick, I just don't understand why an autopick was made so soon. Previously, if you missed a pick like Enzzo, you had the whole day to make it. I don't know why a few rounds later, that is not the case anymore. I expected that consistency.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 13, 2014, 04:03:36 PM
Willing to talk trade with anyone for anyone but know I love the team I have put together and prying anyone but Kobe from the P'Cans means giving up some quality.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 13, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
Portland will add the playoff tested, Lebron stopping, high IQ'd, all around veteran play of Boris Diaw
BOOO  HISSS

took my next guy you thief!!   guess that's fair play for stealing Brewer from you.

Ha! Payback!
Dang it, PJ! Let me regroup here.

Haha I feel like we've been on the same page for most of this draft.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 13, 2014, 04:12:28 PM
Portland will add the playoff tested, Lebron stopping, high IQ'd, all around veteran play of Boris Diaw
BOOO  HISSS

took my next guy you thief!!   guess that's fair play for stealing Brewer from you.

Ha! Payback!
Dang it, PJ! Let me regroup here.

Haha I feel like we've been on the same page for most of this draft.

Shoulda known you were targeting Diaw after all the trade offers you've sent me for him in DKC!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 13, 2014, 04:13:51 PM
Portland will add the playoff tested, Lebron stopping, high IQ'd, all around veteran play of Boris Diaw
BOOO  HISSS

took my next guy you thief!!   guess that's fair play for stealing Brewer from you.

Ha! Payback!
Dang it, PJ! Let me regroup here.

Haha I feel like we've been on the same page for most of this draft.

Shoulda known you were targeting Diaw after all the trade offers you've sent me for him in DKC!

Haha! TP!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 13, 2014, 04:31:29 PM
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Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 13, 2014, 04:50:09 PM
New Orleans Pelicans

PG: George Hill/Mario Chalmers
SG: Victor Oladipo/Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons/P.J. Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis/Brandon Bass
C: DeAndre Jordan/Enes Kanter
Strong defensive team, but that is going to be a team that is going to struggle to score against the teams of the quality in this thing.  No good drive and dish guys, no one to take over games, only Parsons and Hill as shooters (and at 38% they aren't elite).  The gamble on Kobe isn't going to pay off this year, and with another year and a lot more rust, I can't see him ever being close to the player he once was.  Just a real struggle offensively.  I think you would have been better served keeping Gordon whose drive and dish and outside shooting would have been huge to that roster.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 13, 2014, 05:00:47 PM
New Orleans Pelicans

PG: George Hill/Mario Chalmers
SG: Victor Oladipo/Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons/P.J. Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis/Brandon Bass
C: DeAndre Jordan/Enes Kanter
Strong defensive team, but that is going to be a team that is going to struggle to score against the teams of the quality in this thing.  No good drive and dish guys, no one to take over games, only Parsons as a shooter (and he isn't even elite).  Just a real struggle offensively.  I think you would have been better served keeping Gordon whose drive and dish and outside shooting would have been huge to that roster.

Yeah, I was surprised by the choices of George Hill and Mario Chalmers.

I really like both players but I thought New Orleans would have gone for more of a playmaking PG instead. Preferably with their starting PG instead of Hill or even as a backup PG to provide contrast to George Hill's style of play when something different may be needed.

It puts a lot of pressure on Oladipo to be the main creator offensively off the dribble. I am not sure that is good for Oladipo. A mistake-prone player right now. I think a playmaking PG to take some pressure of his plate and allowing him to be the secondary creator on the perimeter would've helped him.

Jeff Teague was the player on the board when George Hill was picked that I was expecting NOP to take. I thought his dribble penetration and playmaking would've been a good fit.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 13, 2014, 05:04:15 PM
New Orleans Pelicans

PG: George Hill/Mario Chalmers
SG: Victor Oladipo/Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons/P.J. Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis/Brandon Bass
C: DeAndre Jordan/Enes Kanter

I really like what NOP have done with the bench. A top backup center in Kanter. Two above average backup forwards in PJ Tucker and Brandon Bass. A really solid two-way guard in Mario Chalmers. To put together such a strong bench with three late picks was really impressive. I think it's one of the stronger bench units in the CB Pick II.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 13, 2014, 05:37:00 PM
New Orleans Pelicans

PG: George Hill/Mario Chalmers
SG: Victor Oladipo/Kobe Bryant
SF: Chandler Parsons/P.J. Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis/Brandon Bass
C: DeAndre Jordan/Enes Kanter
Strong defensive team, but that is going to be a team that is going to struggle to score against the teams of the quality in this thing.  No good drive and dish guys, no one to take over games, only Parsons as a shooter (and he isn't even elite).  Just a real struggle offensively.  I think you would have been better served keeping Gordon whose drive and dish and outside shooting would have been huge to that roster.

Yeah, I was surprised by the choices of George Hill and Mario Chalmers.

I really like both players but I thought New Orleans would have gone for more of a playmaking PG instead. Preferably with their starting PG instead of Hill or even as a backup PG to provide contrast to George Hill's style of play when something different may be needed.

It puts a lot of pressure on Oladipo to be the main creator offensively off the dribble. I am not sure that is good for Oladipo. A mistake-prone player right now. I think a playmaking PG to take some pressure of his plate and allowing him to be the secondary creator on the perimeter would've helped him.

Jeff Teague was the player on the board when George Hill was picked that I was expecting NOP to take. I thought his dribble penetration and playmaking would've been a good fit.

You guys pretty much covered it.  An awesome defensive team but a little frail in the backcourt with Kobe out.  Lots of 85 to 80 games with this team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 13, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
Any thoughts on the Kings with two rounds left

Starters - Isaiah Thomas, Eric Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Dirk Nowitzki, Demarcus Cousins
Bench - Kendall Marshall, Michael Carter-Williams, Vince Carter, Miles Plumlee, Nerlens Noel
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 13, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Any thoughts on the Kings with two rounds left

Starters - Isaiah Thomas, Eric Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Dirk Nowitzki, Demarcus Cousins
Bench - Kendall Marshall, Michael Carter-Williams, Vince Carter, Miles Plumlee, Nerlens Noel

I think your 4-5 rotation is one of the best in this exercise. Dirk-Cousins is a perfect fit, Nerlens has tons of potential, and I love Plumlee's game.

That said, I think every other position is fairly weak. Thomas I'm okay with, but next to Gordon that's one small frontcourt. I also think Jimmy Butler should be primarily a SG. MCW and Carter are nice pickups, and I'm meh on Marshall.

I'd look to add a bigger wing player next round who can take some minutes at the 3, or maybe try to move Gordon or Thomas for one.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 13, 2014, 05:54:57 PM
Thoughts on Toronto?
PG: Lowry/Jeremy Lin
SG: JJ Reddick/Avery Bradley
SF: DeMar DeRozan/Demarre Carrol
PF: Josh Smith/Ryan Anderson
C: Pau Gasol/Thiago Splitter
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 13, 2014, 06:01:03 PM
Thoughts on Toronto?
PG: Lowry/Jeremy Lin
SG: JJ Reddick/Avery Bradley
SF: DeMar DeRozan/Demarre Carrol
PF: Josh Smith/Ryan Anderson
C: Pau Gasol/Thiago Splitter

Very solid team but I can see the frontcourt a little erratic with Josh Smith, Gasol on the downside of his career, and Anderson out. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 13, 2014, 06:25:16 PM
A little worried about my interior D but Al Jefferson has turned the corner this year on defense.  His coaches has said as much too.  Lots of smart GMs here so picking 17th in the first round my team isn't real top heavy, and tried to go after guys that are a little under the radar, or trending up.

Some of my guys have been on a tear lately.

big Al's last 10 games 25.6 PPG, 9.5 RPG, .546 FG% (Maybe best low post scorer in league)
Faried's last 6 games in March 20.3 PPG, 10.3 RPG, .655 FG%
Olynyk's last 3 games in March 16.7 PPG, 6.6 RPG, .493 FG% 3 point shooting improving
Tobias Harris's last 10 games 18.8 PPG, 6.4 RPG, .519 FG%.  Always liked this player.
Ross last 9 games 13.6 PPG and .523 FG% Excellent 3 pt shooter.  Coming into his own since they traded Gay.

Really like my backcourt of Beal and Wall.  Focus my offense around Wall and Jefferson with others playing off of them

Saying all that it's going to be tough beating some of the teams out there.  :-\

Adding to the theme of my team Cody Zeller has been playing much better lately.  8.1 PPG, 5.1 RPG, .500 in 17.5 MPG in his last 10 games.

Brandon Knight 20.3 PPG, 5.0 APG, .466 FG% in his last 10 games.

Gerald Henderson has been injured of late but have always liked him.

So I have now

PG: Wall/Knight
SG: Beal/Henderson
SF: Harris/Ross Could flip flop but like Ross's scoring off the bench
PF: Faried/Olynyk/Harris (in small ball lineups)
C: A Jefferson, C Zeller

Still a little worried about the backup bigs. 
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 13, 2014, 06:39:07 PM
Thoughts on Toronto?
PG: Lowry/Jeremy Lin
SG: JJ Reddick/Avery Bradley
SF: DeMar DeRozan/Demarre Carrol
PF: Josh Smith/Ryan Anderson
C: Pau Gasol/Thiago Splitter

Very solid team but I can see the frontcourt a little erratic with Josh Smith, Gasol on the downside of his career, and Anderson out.
Thanks man,

just wanna point out Gasol's per 36 are his career best :)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 13, 2014, 06:58:22 PM
Thoughts on Toronto?
PG: Lowry/Jeremy Lin
SG: JJ Reddick/Avery Bradley
SF: DeMar DeRozan/Demarre Carrol
PF: Josh Smith/Ryan Anderson
C: Pau Gasol/Thiago Splitter

Very solid team but I can see the frontcourt a little erratic with Josh Smith, Gasol on the downside of his career, and Anderson out.
Thanks man,

just wanna point out Gasol's per 36 are his career best :)

Wow. Never would guessed without checking his numbers.  Aging well.  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 13, 2014, 07:03:19 PM
Any thoughts on the Kings with two rounds left

Starters - Isaiah Thomas, Eric Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Dirk Nowitzki, Demarcus Cousins
Bench - Kendall Marshall, Michael Carter-Williams, Vince Carter, Miles Plumlee, Nerlens Noel

I think it's a dynamic and deadly offensive team.

Dirk Nowitzki is an incredible offensive player. Just the threat of his outside shooting opens up so much space for everyone else. Throw in the low post game (and high post game) of D.Cousins. Then mix in a pair of guards (I.Thomas, E.Gordon) who are dangerous dribble drive threats and are very strong outside shooters ... incredibly difficult to defend.

But, Dirk is the guy. He gives order and balance to everything. I might worry a bit about chemistry without him, but, with him, I think Dirk brings everything together offensively and makes it work at a wonderful level.

I really like Jimmy Butler on this team. Glue guy. Does all the little things. Enables the offense with his well-rounded game. Does the dirty work defensively. Rebounds. Tough. Always plays hard.

On the bench - I like Vince Carter. Still playing well. Another highly skilled backup SF to add into the offensive mix. A pair of backup centers in Plumlee and Noel who will do the dirty work in the paint. I like MCW. Great prospect. Not wild about Kendall Marshall. I think a scoring PG would be better to pair with MCW (SG). A jump-shooting PF and defensive guard/wing would finish it off nicely.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 14, 2014, 06:30:24 AM
Any thoughts on the Kings with two rounds left

Starters - Isaiah Thomas, Eric Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Dirk Nowitzki, Demarcus Cousins
Bench - Kendall Marshall, Michael Carter-Williams, Vince Carter, Miles Plumlee, Nerlens Noel

I think it's a dynamic and deadly offensive team.

Dirk Nowitzki is an incredible offensive player. Just the threat of his outside shooting opens up so much space for everyone else. Throw in the low post game (and high post game) of D.Cousins. Then mix in a pair of guards (I.Thomas, E.Gordon) who are dangerous dribble drive threats and are very strong outside shooters ... incredibly difficult to defend.

But, Dirk is the guy. He gives order and balance to everything. I might worry a bit about chemistry without him, but, with him, I think Dirk brings everything together offensively and makes it work at a wonderful level.

I really like Jimmy Butler on this team. Glue guy. Does all the little things. Enables the offense with his well-rounded game. Does the dirty work defensively. Rebounds. Tough. Always plays hard.

On the bench - I like Vince Carter. Still playing well. Another highly skilled backup SF to add into the offensive mix. A pair of backup centers in Plumlee and Noel who will do the dirty work in the paint. I like MCW. Great prospect. Not wild about Kendall Marshall. I think a scoring PG would be better to pair with MCW (SG). A jump-shooting PF and defensive guard/wing would finish it off nicely.
Thanks.  That is what I was going for.  I was thinking I needed a big defending wing and a PF with my last two picks, which matches exactly what you are thinking.

As for Marshall, I just thought he was BPA last round.  43% from three with 9.5 assists per game on the year.  Hard to pass that up in the 7th round.  Especially for a 22 year old 2nd year PG.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 14, 2014, 07:55:15 AM
Any thoughts on the Kings with two rounds left

Starters - Isaiah Thomas, Eric Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Dirk Nowitzki, Demarcus Cousins
Bench - Kendall Marshall, Michael Carter-Williams, Vince Carter, Miles Plumlee, Nerlens Noel

I think it's a dynamic and deadly offensive team.

Dirk Nowitzki is an incredible offensive player. Just the threat of his outside shooting opens up so much space for everyone else. Throw in the low post game (and high post game) of D.Cousins. Then mix in a pair of guards (I.Thomas, E.Gordon) who are dangerous dribble drive threats and are very strong outside shooters ... incredibly difficult to defend.

But, Dirk is the guy. He gives order and balance to everything. I might worry a bit about chemistry without him, but, with him, I think Dirk brings everything together offensively and makes it work at a wonderful level.

I really like Jimmy Butler on this team. Glue guy. Does all the little things. Enables the offense with his well-rounded game. Does the dirty work defensively. Rebounds. Tough. Always plays hard.

On the bench - I like Vince Carter. Still playing well. Another highly skilled backup SF to add into the offensive mix. A pair of backup centers in Plumlee and Noel who will do the dirty work in the paint. I like MCW. Great prospect. Not wild about Kendall Marshall. I think a scoring PG would be better to pair with MCW (SG). A jump-shooting PF and defensive guard/wing would finish it off nicely.
Thanks.  That is what I was going for.  I was thinking I needed a big defending wing and a PF with my last two picks, which matches exactly what you are thinking.

As for Marshall, I just thought he was BPA last round.  43% from three with 9.5 assists per game on the year.  Hard to pass that up in the 7th round.  Especially for a 22 year old 2nd year PG.

I like this team, but because of Dirk it's in win now mode from year to year.  I wanted Noel. Could be a great pickup for the future. Gordon has to stay healthy too.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 14, 2014, 08:02:32 AM
Any thoughts on the Kings with two rounds left

Starters - Isaiah Thomas, Eric Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Dirk Nowitzki, Demarcus Cousins
Bench - Kendall Marshall, Michael Carter-Williams, Vince Carter, Miles Plumlee, Nerlens Noel

I think it's a dynamic and deadly offensive team.

Dirk Nowitzki is an incredible offensive player. Just the threat of his outside shooting opens up so much space for everyone else. Throw in the low post game (and high post game) of D.Cousins. Then mix in a pair of guards (I.Thomas, E.Gordon) who are dangerous dribble drive threats and are very strong outside shooters ... incredibly difficult to defend.

But, Dirk is the guy. He gives order and balance to everything. I might worry a bit about chemistry without him, but, with him, I think Dirk brings everything together offensively and makes it work at a wonderful level.

I really like Jimmy Butler on this team. Glue guy. Does all the little things. Enables the offense with his well-rounded game. Does the dirty work defensively. Rebounds. Tough. Always plays hard.

On the bench - I like Vince Carter. Still playing well. Another highly skilled backup SF to add into the offensive mix. A pair of backup centers in Plumlee and Noel who will do the dirty work in the paint. I like MCW. Great prospect. Not wild about Kendall Marshall. I think a scoring PG would be better to pair with MCW (SG). A jump-shooting PF and defensive guard/wing would finish it off nicely.
Thanks.  That is what I was going for.  I was thinking I needed a big defending wing and a PF with my last two picks, which matches exactly what you are thinking.

As for Marshall, I just thought he was BPA last round.  43% from three with 9.5 assists per game on the year.  Hard to pass that up in the 7th round.  Especially for a 22 year old 2nd year PG.

I like this team, but because of Dirk it's in win now mode from year to year.  I wanted Noel. Could be a great pickup for the future. Gordon has to stay healthy too.
I, of course, would like to win now, but Dirk and Vince are the only two guys above 25 on the roster and as such this team is set up to win for 10 years.   Gordon does need to stay healthy, but he is the 5th leading scorer on the team (DMC, Dirk, Isaiah, and MCW are all more than him).  I believe this is the only team with 3 separate 20 point per game scorers.  I have shooters at every single starting position.  This team is an offensive juggernaut in the starting lineup with some excellent defensive minded bigs on the bench for contrast.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 14, 2014, 08:51:26 AM
Have seen any comments by anyone praising or trashing my team.  anyone have thoughts on this championship-caliber squad?

No-longer-dysfunctional -->CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
PG: Kyrie Irving/Rodney Stuckey
SG: Kevin Martin/Tyreke Evans
SF: Luol Deng/Corey Brewer
PF: Serge Ibaka/Andray Blatche
C: Nikola Vucevic/Kosta Koufos

My viewpoint: I've got a solid 4 guard rotation where 3 can act as ballhandlers.  I've got 2 excellent defensive SFs that can are decent scorers.  I've got a PF combo that can score and defend--one's a better defender while the other is a better scorer.  I've got a couple of centers that can definitely score and while they aren't all world defenders, they aren't horrible either.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 14, 2014, 08:53:01 AM
Any thoughts on the Kings with two rounds left

Starters - Isaiah Thomas, Eric Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Dirk Nowitzki, Demarcus Cousins
Bench - Kendall Marshall, Michael Carter-Williams, Vince Carter, Miles Plumlee, Nerlens Noel

I think it's a dynamic and deadly offensive team.

Dirk Nowitzki is an incredible offensive player. Just the threat of his outside shooting opens up so much space for everyone else. Throw in the low post game (and high post game) of D.Cousins. Then mix in a pair of guards (I.Thomas, E.Gordon) who are dangerous dribble drive threats and are very strong outside shooters ... incredibly difficult to defend.

But, Dirk is the guy. He gives order and balance to everything. I might worry a bit about chemistry without him, but, with him, I think Dirk brings everything together offensively and makes it work at a wonderful level.

I really like Jimmy Butler on this team. Glue guy. Does all the little things. Enables the offense with his well-rounded game. Does the dirty work defensively. Rebounds. Tough. Always plays hard.

On the bench - I like Vince Carter. Still playing well. Another highly skilled backup SF to add into the offensive mix. A pair of backup centers in Plumlee and Noel who will do the dirty work in the paint. I like MCW. Great prospect. Not wild about Kendall Marshall. I think a scoring PG would be better to pair with MCW (SG). A jump-shooting PF and defensive guard/wing would finish it off nicely.
Thanks.  That is what I was going for.  I was thinking I needed a big defending wing and a PF with my last two picks, which matches exactly what you are thinking.

As for Marshall, I just thought he was BPA last round.  43% from three with 9.5 assists per game on the year.  Hard to pass that up in the 7th round.  Especially for a 22 year old 2nd year PG.

I like this team, but because of Dirk it's in win now mode from year to year.  I wanted Noel. Could be a great pickup for the future. Gordon has to stay healthy too.
I, of course, would like to win now, but Dirk and Vince are the only two guys above 25 on the roster and as such this team is set up to win for 10 years.   Gordon does need to stay healthy, but he is the 5th leading scorer on the team (DMC, Dirk, Isaiah, and MCW are all more than him).  I believe this is the only team with 3 separate 20 point per game scorers.  I have shooters at every single starting position.  This team is an offensive juggernaut in the starting lineup with some excellent defensive minded bigs on the bench for contrast.

I like your team, but saying it's set to win for 10 years may be stretching it. Especially in our 20 team league. Lol  Outside of Butler, Dirk, Carter, and maybe Gordon lots of players still have to prove they can play winning ball, but it's a solid foundation.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 14, 2014, 10:27:13 AM
Happy to add the other Morris.  You know the better shooting one.  Adds a nice stretch 4 to the bench and compliments Plumlee and Noel quite well in the bench big man rotation.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 14, 2014, 10:42:12 AM
Getting to the part of the draft where we are basically pulling at straws here. Good picks thus far but the talent drop off is about to happen.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 14, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
So is this over after today's draft or is there going to be a short period to remain open for trades to finalize rosters?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 14, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Thaddeus Young is 3rd in steals per game (2nd in total steals). I didn't know that. That is pretty darn impressive from the PF position.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 14, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
So is this over after today's draft or is there going to be a short period to remain open for trades to finalize rosters?

I'll likely allow trades over this weekend and then lock all threads except for the General Commentary thread on Monday.

Thaddeus Young is 3rd in steals per game (2nd in total steals). I didn't know that. That is pretty darn impressive from the PF position.

Dude has some length.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 14, 2014, 11:14:36 AM
Happy to add the other Morris.  You know the better shooting one.  Adds a nice stretch 4 to the bench and compliments Plumlee and Noel quite well in the bench big man rotation.
Marcus Morris is a really nice pickup. I was thinking about him as backup SF. Versatile forward.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 14, 2014, 11:20:06 AM
Happy to add the other Morris.  You know the better shooting one.  Adds a nice stretch 4 to the bench and compliments Plumlee and Noel quite well in the bench big man rotation.
Marcus Morris is a really nice pickup. I was thinking about him as backup SF. Versatile forward.
certainly could play some at 3, especially when I want to go big.  I have a guy in mind I'm hoping I can land with my last pick, which would add a similar dimension from a slightly smaller guy.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 14, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
So is this over after today's draft or is there going to be a short period to remain open for trades to finalize rosters?

I'll likely allow trades over this weekend and then lock all threads except for the General Commentary thread on Monday.

Thaddeus Young is 3rd in steals per game (2nd in total steals). I didn't know that. That is pretty darn impressive from the PF position.

Dude has some length.

Almost took Young over Leonard with my first pick in this draft. Couldn't come around to liking Thad playing the three along Aldridge at the 4.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 14, 2014, 11:27:59 AM
I really like players like Shaun Livingston in these late rounds. Can play PG, SG and SF. Valuable utility man to have at the end of your bench.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 14, 2014, 11:28:23 AM
So is this over after today's draft or is there going to be a short period to remain open for trades to finalize rosters?

I'll likely allow trades over this weekend and then lock all threads except for the General Commentary thread on Monday.

Thaddeus Young is 3rd in steals per game (2nd in total steals). I didn't know that. That is pretty darn impressive from the PF position.

Dude has some length.

Almost took Young over Leonard with my first pick in this draft. Couldn't come around to liking Thad playing the three along Aldridge at the 4.

Thad can be effective at the 3, but I think he belongs at the 4. Much like Josh Smith.

I was happy to be able to grab Thad in the 2nd.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 14, 2014, 12:20:29 PM
Mahinmi is a great pickup.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 14, 2014, 12:31:23 PM
Mahinmi is a great pickup.

Thanks. He will be a great backup for Dwight Howard.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 14, 2014, 12:32:48 PM
Celtics will take Pero Antic to fill the ultra rare stretch-5 enforcer role.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


I was torn between him and Morrow to fill out my bench and thought for sure Antic was so unknown he'd slide to round 10.  AAAAAARRGGGGHHHHHH
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 14, 2014, 12:36:04 PM
Celtics will take Pero Antic to fill the ultra rare stretch-5 enforcer role.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


I was torn between him and Morrow to fill out my bench and thought for sure Antic was so unknown he'd slide to round 10.  AAAAAARRGGGGHHHHHH

TP for a terrific avatar/post combination.  And for liking my pick so much  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 14, 2014, 12:48:30 PM
Celtics will take Pero Antic to fill the ultra rare stretch-5 enforcer role.
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


I was torn between him and Morrow to fill out my bench and thought for sure Antic was so unknown he'd slide to round 10.  AAAAAARRGGGGHHHHHH

TP for a terrific avatar/post combination.  And for liking my pick so much  ;D
I've liked too many of your picks -- because I was torn between the guy I picked and the one that fell to you.  we're on the same wavelength far too often here.   thankfully I get to pick ahead of you  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 14, 2014, 12:50:02 PM
With Jrue Holiday, Amar'e Stoudemire, Jason Smith and sporadically, Andrew Bogut, the Phoenix Medical Staff is in full work mode.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 14, 2014, 01:27:04 PM
As we near the end of the game, interest usually drops off. Make your picks if you can though; go for binkies and high-potential guys!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 14, 2014, 01:31:42 PM
Rolling the dice on Alex Len.

Darn you Roy.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 14, 2014, 01:38:40 PM
Well with the addition of Wesley Johnson the Kings are complete.  One thing we've got going for us that the other teams don't is an air of familiarity as all but Jimmy Butler and Eric Gordon have a real life teammate on the squad.

Phoenix (2) - Plumlee, Morris
Sacramento (2) - Thomas, Cousins
Dallas (2) - Nowitzki, Carter
Los Angeles (2) - Marshall, Johnson (also played in phoenix last year)
Philadelphia (2) - Carter-Williams, Noel
Chicago (1) - Butler
New Orleans (1) - Gordon

EDIT: Slight error now corrected.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 14, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
The Sacramento Kings are going to take a youngish journeyman wing and go with Wesley Johnson who is playing well for that team out west.

Always root for Wesley to do well - he seems to have finally found a good niche in D'Antoni's system.  Hope he can parlay it into a solid career.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 14, 2014, 02:11:33 PM
The Sacramento Kings are going to take a youngish journeyman wing and go with Wesley Johnson who is playing well for that team out west.

Always root for Wesley to do well - he seems to have finally found a good niche in D'Antoni's system.  Hope he can parlay it into a solid career.

Doesnt a lot of players "find a good niche" with D'Antoni. I guess my question is, is that  a good or bad thing?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: indeedproceed on March 14, 2014, 02:17:18 PM
The Sacramento Kings are going to take a youngish journeyman wing and go with Wesley Johnson who is playing well for that team out west.

Always root for Wesley to do well - he seems to have finally found a good niche in D'Antoni's system.  Hope he can parlay it into a solid career.

Not the reclamation project from LAL that I would've picked. Wesley Johnson might have bought himself another few years in the league, but they've got another guy who I think has an outside shot of being a real-life better than replacement starter if he can build on this season.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 14, 2014, 02:18:07 PM
The Sacramento Kings are going to take a youngish journeyman wing and go with Wesley Johnson who is playing well for that team out west.

Always root for Wesley to do well - he seems to have finally found a good niche in D'Antoni's system.  Hope he can parlay it into a solid career.

Doesnt a lot of players "find a good niche" with D'Antoni. I guess my question is, is that  a good or bad thing?

If you're a good transition player, usually you'll do well with D'Antoni. 

As to whether it's a good or bad thing...well, it's certainly good for the players, but team results have been less positive lately.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 14, 2014, 02:29:15 PM
Final Roster for the Pick 2 Danny Ainge Fantasy Campers:

Rondo/Beverley/Jordan Crawford
Afflalo/G Green/Crawford
Sefolosha/G Green/Bennett
Sullinger/Henson/Bennett
Gortat/McGee/Antic

Not up there with the powerhouses but I like it - strong defensive players with some primarily offensive options mixed in.  Lots of weapons for Rondo to get the ball to, and plenty of bench scoring.  Mix of up and comers and guys in their prime.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 14, 2014, 02:29:18 PM
I love the Perk pick. Genuine physical toughness. Muscle and length in the post and at the rim.

I really like the Richard Jefferson one too. RJ has real quality for a deep reserve. Still a solid defender and has become a really good 3 point shooter. Good two-way bench player.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 14, 2014, 02:48:02 PM
The Sacramento Kings are going to take a youngish journeyman wing and go with Wesley Johnson who is playing well for that team out west.

Always root for Wesley to do well - he seems to have finally found a good niche in D'Antoni's system.  Hope he can parlay it into a solid career.

Not the reclamation project from LAL that I would've picked. Wesley Johnson might have bought himself another few years in the league, but they've got another guy who I think has an outside shot of being a real-life better than replacement starter if he can build on this season.

Kendall Marshall was already drafted a few rounds ago, and was a solid pick.

No one else on the Lakers roster fits that description.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fairweatherfan on March 14, 2014, 02:49:19 PM
The Sacramento Kings are going to take a youngish journeyman wing and go with Wesley Johnson who is playing well for that team out west.

Always root for Wesley to do well - he seems to have finally found a good niche in D'Antoni's system.  Hope he can parlay it into a solid career.

Not the reclamation project from LAL that I would've picked. Wesley Johnson might have bought himself another few years in the league, but they've got another guy who I think has an outside shot of being a real-life better than replacement starter if he can build on this season.

Kendall Marshall was already drafted a few rounds ago, and was a solid pick.

No one else on the Lakers roster fits that description.

I think I know who he means but mum's the word til the round's over.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: KGs Knee on March 14, 2014, 02:53:28 PM
The Sacramento Kings are going to take a youngish journeyman wing and go with Wesley Johnson who is playing well for that team out west.

Always root for Wesley to do well - he seems to have finally found a good niche in D'Antoni's system.  Hope he can parlay it into a solid career.

Not the reclamation project from LAL that I would've picked. Wesley Johnson might have bought himself another few years in the league, but they've got another guy who I think has an outside shot of being a real-life better than replacement starter if he can build on this season.

Kendall Marshall was already drafted a few rounds ago, and was a solid pick.

No one else on the Lakers roster fits that description.

I think I know who he means but mum's the word til the round's over.


Oh, I'm sure I know exactly who he means, probably one if his DKC guys.

He'd be wrong.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 14, 2014, 02:57:05 PM
I love the Perk pick. Genuine physical toughness. Muscle and length in the post and at the rim.

I really like the Richard Jefferson one too. RJ has real quality for a deep reserve. Still a solid defender and has become a really good 3 point shooter. Good two-way bench player.

Thanks. I'll always defend the fact that Perk brings more to the table than his stats show just due to his physical intimidation. When Perk was alongside KG no one wanted to drive in the paint, as soon as Perk was traded, teams attacked KG and never looked back.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: indeedproceed on March 14, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
The Sacramento Kings are going to take a youngish journeyman wing and go with Wesley Johnson who is playing well for that team out west.

Always root for Wesley to do well - he seems to have finally found a good niche in D'Antoni's system.  Hope he can parlay it into a solid career.

Not the reclamation project from LAL that I would've picked. Wesley Johnson might have bought himself another few years in the league, but they've got another guy who I think has an outside shot of being a real-life better than replacement starter if he can build on this season.

Kendall Marshall was already drafted a few rounds ago, and was a solid pick.

No one else on the Lakers roster fits that description.

I think I know who he means but mum's the word til the round's over.


Oh, I'm sure I know exactly who he means, probably one if his DKC guys.

He'd be wrong.

You're wrong. I have....DUM DUM DUMMMM

statistics
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 14, 2014, 03:08:39 PM
CJ Miles is a great pick. Undervalued player.

I was hoping he'd still be there by my pick. So close ... two picks away.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 14, 2014, 03:10:02 PM
I love the Perk pick. Genuine physical toughness. Muscle and length in the post and at the rim.

I really like the Richard Jefferson one too. RJ has real quality for a deep reserve. Still a solid defender and has become a really good 3 point shooter. Good two-way bench player.

Thanks. I'll always defend the fact that Perk brings more to the table than his stats show just due to his physical intimidation. When Perk was alongside KG no one wanted to drive in the paint, as soon as Perk was traded, teams attacked KG and never looked back.
TP to you PJ for taking Perk.  loved him in Boston.  Was going to buy a Perk jersey when I heard the news of the trade.  talk about weird timing.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on March 14, 2014, 03:15:17 PM
2014 Pick 2 New Orleans Pelicans

PG: George Hill/Jameer Nelson/Mario Chalmers
SG: Victor Oladipo/Kobe Bryant/(Mario Chalmers)
SF: Chandler Parsons/P.J. Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis/Brandon Bass/Mike Scott
C: DeAndre Jordan/Enes Kanter

Love this team. Defense, rebounding, efficient offense, youth, experience, superstar talent, guys that can shoot, guys that can score.

Very happy with this team and if Kobe can come back close to Kobe, I think 2015 can belong to this team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 14, 2014, 03:16:05 PM
I love the Perk pick. Genuine physical toughness. Muscle and length in the post and at the rim.

I really like the Richard Jefferson one too. RJ has real quality for a deep reserve. Still a solid defender and has become a really good 3 point shooter. Good two-way bench player.

Thanks. I'll always defend the fact that Perk brings more to the table than his stats show just due to his physical intimidation. When Perk was alongside KG no one wanted to drive in the paint, as soon as Perk was traded, teams attacked KG and never looked back.
TP to you PJ for taking Perk.  loved him in Boston.  Was going to buy a Perk jersey when I heard the news of the trade.  talk about weird timing.

I dont think there has ever been a player that at one point in his career I was so completely frustrated with and then my opinion completely changed on so much. Throughout the years watching him grow and develop as a player was fascinating to watch. He became a favorite of mine and I will always respect what he did for the Celtics during that championship run.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 14, 2014, 03:18:02 PM
As the game comes to a close, I'd like to thank all of you GMs for a relatively smooth and hiccup-free Pick 2 draft. This was my first time commishing, and despite how much work it was, it could have been a lot worse without your cooperation.

Hope y'all had fun, and feel free to keep up the conversation of your teams in this thread.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 14, 2014, 03:19:28 PM
As the game comes to a close, I'd like to thank all of you GMs for a relatively smooth and hiccup-free Pick 2 draft. This was my first time commishing, and despite how much work it was, it could have been a lot worse without your cooperation.

Hope y'all had fun, and feel free to keep up the conversation of your teams in this thread.

TP for the hard work. My first pick 2, definitely love participating in these CB drafts.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Who on March 14, 2014, 03:24:50 PM
As the game comes to a close, I'd like to thank all of you GMs for a relatively smooth and hiccup-free Pick 2 draft. This was my first time commishing, and despite how much work it was, it could have been a lot worse without your cooperation.

Hope y'all had fun, and feel free to keep up the conversation of your teams in this thread.

TP for the hard work. My first pick 2, definitely love participating in these CB drafts.

+1 ... Thanks for all the hard work putting this together.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on March 14, 2014, 03:42:11 PM
I believe this is PHX's Roster and possible rotations.

PG:  Jure Holiday / Goran Dragic / Alec Burks
SG: Goran Dragic / OJ Mayo / Marcus Thornton
SF:  Rudy Gay / Andrei Kirilenko
PF:  Terrence Jones / Draymond Green
C :  Andrew Bogut / Amar'e Stoudemire / Jason Smith

Admittedly, it may not be a Championship contending team but we are going to be a tough outing for anyone else.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 14, 2014, 03:44:34 PM
The Sacramento Kings are going to take a youngish journeyman wing and go with Wesley Johnson who is playing well for that team out west.

Always root for Wesley to do well - he seems to have finally found a good niche in D'Antoni's system.  Hope he can parlay it into a solid career.

Not the reclamation project from LAL that I would've picked. Wesley Johnson might have bought himself another few years in the league, but they've got another guy who I think has an outside shot of being a real-life better than replacement starter if he can build on this season.
The thing about Johnson this year is he has actually been quite good.  28.6 minutes a game with 9.3 p, 4.1 r, 1.4 a, 1.1 s, 1.1 b on 37% from three, 48.5% from two, 78% from the line, and with + defense overall.  Pretty solid year on the whole and still not in his prime.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 14, 2014, 03:53:45 PM
PJ, you there?
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 14, 2014, 04:14:08 PM
The Houston Rockets:

PG: Eric Bledsoe, Steve Blake, Pablo Prigioni
SG: James Harden, Tony Allen, (Tim Hardaway Jr)
SF: Paul Pierce, Tim Hardaway Jr, Richard Jefferson
PF: David Lee, Markieff Morris, (Richard Jefferson)
 C: Dwight Howard, Ian Mahinmi
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 14, 2014, 04:19:59 PM
The finished Blazers. Youth in the starters, champions and veteran leadership from the bench.

PG: Lillard/Jackson
SG: Green/Miller/Wroten
SF: Leonard/Prince
PF: ALdridge/Diaw
C:  Noah/Andersen/Perkins




Rotation Minutes:

Lillard (36)/Jackson (12)
Green (30)/Jackson (12)/Miller(6)
Leonard (35)/Prince (13)
Aldridge (38)/Diaw(10)
Noah(34)/Andersen(10)/Perkins(4)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 14, 2014, 04:46:19 PM
Most teams look very good.  Congrats to everyone.  Here is my finished product.

C: Al Jefferson/Oden/C Zeller/Big Baby/Olynyk
PF: Faried/ Jefferson/Baby/Olynyk
SF: T Harris/T Ross
SG: Beal/G Henderson
PG: Wall/Brandon Knight

Can play the matchup game with bigs as many of them can play 2 positions depending on who I play. Offense built around Jefferson, Wall, and Beal.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 14, 2014, 04:49:06 PM
As the game comes to a close, I'd like to thank all of you GMs for a relatively smooth and hiccup-free Pick 2 draft. This was my first time commishing, and despite how much work it was, it could have been a lot worse without your cooperation.

Hope y'all had fun, and feel free to keep up the conversation of your teams in this thread.
TP to you AB for putting this together and running it.  well done.  looking forward to the team review (hope we're still doing it this time around)
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 14, 2014, 04:49:16 PM
The finished Blazers. Youth in the starters, champions and veteran leadership from the bench.

PG: Lillard/Jackson
SG: Green/Miller/Wroten
SF: Leonard/Prince
PF: ALdridge/Diaw
C:  Noah/Andersen/Perkins




Rotation Minutes:

Lillard (36)/Jackson (12)
Green (30)/Jackson (12)/Miller(6)
Leonard (35)/Prince (13)
Aldridge (38)/Diaw(10)
Noah(34)/Andersen(10)/Perkins(4)

Great team. Starting 5 compliments each other perfectly. Jackson is great off the bench, takes pressure off of Lillard and will be a leader for that 2nd unit. The only minor weakness I see is depth on the wing. Prince is probably one of my favorite players of all time but he's on his last legs. So is Miller. I would have liked to see you go with some younger, fresher legs for those backup wing positions. Overall, this is probably the best team in Pick2 and would be really fun to watch.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 14, 2014, 04:53:38 PM
Most teams look very good.  Congrats to everyone.  Here is my finished product.

C: Al Jefferson/Oden/C Zeller/Big Baby/Olynyk
PF: Faried/ Jefferson/Baby/Olynyk
SF: T Harris/T Ross
SG: Beal/G Henderson
PG: Wall/Brandon Knight

Can play the matchup game with bigs as many of them can play 2 positions depending on who I play. Offense built around Jefferson, Wall, and Beal.

Really good collection of young talent here. Harris, Beal, and Wall are all going to be great players (Wall already is). With that said, I could see this team probably sneaking into the playoffs with the 7th or 8th seed. I would have liked your team better if you had more veteran presence off the bench. I also worry about your interior defense. Although Jefferson and Faried are improved in that category, they're still not great defenders. Should be an exciting young squad though.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: slamtheking on March 14, 2014, 05:00:11 PM
Here's the new FUNCTIONAL Cavaliers

PG: Kyrie Irving / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Kevin Martin / Tyreke Evans / Anthony Morrow
SF: Luol Deng / Corey Brewer
PF: Serge Ibaka / Andray Blatche/Reggie Evans
C: Nikola Vucevic / Kosta Koufos

Team can score, defend and rebound.  Scoring balance from each position.  Have 2 SF defensive studs to work on the Brons, Durants and Melos of the league.  Have Reggie to knock some heads of anyone that wants to drive the lane.

I think it's a really well balanced bunch that's in the championship discussion.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 14, 2014, 05:08:13 PM
Here's the new FUNCTIONAL Cavaliers

PG: Kyrie Irving / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Kevin Martin / Tyreke Evans / Anthony Morrow
SF: Luol Deng / Corey Brewer
PF: Serge Ibaka / Andray Blatche/Reggie Evans
C: Nikola Vucevic / Kosta Koufos

Team can score, defend and rebound.  Scoring balance from each position.  Have 2 SF defensive studs to work on the Brons, Durants and Melos of the league.  Have Reggie to knock some heads of anyone that wants to drive the lane.

I think it's a really well balanced bunch that's in the championship discussion.

Very strong team. Not sure they're championship contenders but a playoff team. If I could make a comparison, I would compare them to the Denver Nuggets of last year. Not play style or anything, but record-wise. 50+ win team, but will struggle in the playoffs. Think you need a 2nd "guy" to take you to the next level. Not convinced Kyrie will be able to lead a team to a championship yet.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 14, 2014, 05:10:42 PM
2014 Pick 2 New Orleans Pelicans

PG: George Hill/Jameer Nelson/Mario Chalmers
SG: Victor Oladipo/Kobe Bryant/(Mario Chalmers)
SF: Chandler Parsons/P.J. Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis/Brandon Bass/Mike Scott
C: DeAndre Jordan/Enes Kanter

Love this team. Defense, rebounding, efficient offense, youth, experience, superstar talent, guys that can shoot, guys that can score.

Very happy with this team and if Kobe can come back close to Kobe, I think 2015 can belong to this team.

Love this team. One of my favorites in the league. You have one of the strongest bench in the league. Was very impressed with your late round picks. Each one of your 2nd unit guys could easily be starters.

Playoff team but not quite championship level. In two or three years, when Davis reaches his prime, Oladipo/Parsons take it to the next level, and Jordan continues to play as well as he has, this is easily a championship contending team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 14, 2014, 06:02:22 PM
2014 Pick 2 Raptors

PG: Kyle Lowry/Jeremy Lin
SG: JJ  Reddick/Avery Bradley
SF: DeMar DeRozan/Demarre Carrol/Michael Beasley
PF: Josh Smith/Ryan Anderson/Michael Beasley
C:Pau Gasol/Thiago Splitter/Alex Len

So many starting combos I can go with
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 14, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
Los Angeles Clippers

Chris Paul | Kirk Hinrich
Wilson Chandler | JR Smith | Kent Bazemore
Nicolas Batum | Matt Barnes
Blake Griffin | Amir Johnson
Robin Lopez | Zaza Pachulia | Jermaine O'Neal
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 14, 2014, 06:21:53 PM
Los Angeles Clippers

Chris Paul | Kirk Hinrich
Wilson Chandler | JR Smith | Kent Bazemore
Nicolas Batum | Matt Barnes
Blake Griffin | Amir Johnson
Robin Lopez | Zaza Pachulia | Jermaine O'Neal

The "Core 4" of this team is just gorgeous: Paul-Batum-Griffin-Lopez fits together about as well as any 4 starters can. I would love to watch this team.

Kirk Hinrich is a great fit, too. Too soon? ;)

2014 Pick 2 Raptors

PG: Kyle Lowry/Jeremy Lin
SG: JJ  Reddick/Avery Bradley
SF: DeMar DeRozan/Demarre Carrol/Michael Beasley
PF: Josh Smith/Ryan Anderson/Michael Beasley
C:Pau Gasol/Thiago Splitter/Alex Len

So many starting combos I can go with

Normally a team with DeRozan and Smith in the starting lineup is going to suffer some issues with spacing, but fitz and Roy were able to fill out the team in a way that almost eliminates that fact. Reddick is one of the best shooters in the league, and Anderson will supply plenty of shooting from the PF spot. A well-put-together team.

Here's the new FUNCTIONAL Cavaliers

PG: Kyrie Irving / Rodney Stuckey
SG: Kevin Martin / Tyreke Evans / Anthony Morrow
SF: Luol Deng / Corey Brewer
PF: Serge Ibaka / Andray Blatche/Reggie Evans
C: Nikola Vucevic / Kosta Koufos

Team can score, defend and rebound.  Scoring balance from each position.  Have 2 SF defensive studs to work on the Brons, Durants and Melos of the league.  Have Reggie to knock some heads of anyone that wants to drive the lane.

I think it's a really well balanced bunch that's in the championship discussion.

A definite playoff team in my opinion. I think going small would work really well on this team; something like Irving-Evans-(Martin/Brewer)-Deng-Ibaka would supply tons of floor spreading, great passing, and strong defense. Not super sold on Vucevic, but I don't think that hurts you.



I'll do more write-ups later. Gotta finish a final project.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: AB_Celtic on March 14, 2014, 06:23:48 PM
Also, pretty happy about the versatility of lineups that I have.
Calderon, Jack, or DJ at the 1
Lance, Johnson, Jack, or George at the 2
George, Granger, Johnson, or Young at the 3
Young, Garnett, Hickson, or Hansbrough at the 4
Hibbert, Garnett, Hickson, or Hansbrough at the 5
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: fitzhickey on March 14, 2014, 06:25:27 PM
Los Angeles Clippers

Chris Paul | Kirk Hinrich
Wilson Chandler | JR Smith | Kent Bazemore
Nicolas Batum | Matt Barnes
Blake Griffin | Amir Johnson
Robin Lopez | Zaza Pachulia | Jermaine O'Neal
Man Amir Johnson off the bench is a luxury.

Very solid team.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 14, 2014, 06:46:28 PM
Who's San Antonio Spurs squad really stands out to me. David West and Nene are two bigs that are just meant for Pop's system, and to have Nene be able to come off the bench and theoretically back up either PF/C is a huge, huge luxury. Green is a solid all-around guy whose weaknesses will be easily concealed on the team, and the athleticism of all the wings in general provide a nice dynamic with the veteran core of Parker/West/Duncan. His squad might lack flashy names, but it's one of the best teams assembled in this exercise in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: rondoallaturca on March 14, 2014, 07:04:49 PM
Los Angeles Clippers

Chris Paul | Kirk Hinrich
Wilson Chandler | JR Smith | Kent Bazemore
Nicolas Batum | Matt Barnes
Blake Griffin | Amir Johnson
Robin Lopez | Zaza Pachulia | Jermaine O'Neal

The "Core 4" of this team is just gorgeous: Paul-Batum-Griffin-Lopez fits together about as well as any 4 starters can. I would love to watch this team.

Kirk Hinrich is a great fit, too. Too soon? ;)

While I had my eyes on another guy, I definitely don't mind the Hinrich pick. His toughness and versatility actually fits in well with the rest of my team. I really could assemble countless lineups with this team, with Hinrich (PG/SG), Chandler (SG/SF/PF), Batum (SG/SF/PF), Smith (SG/SF), and Amir (PF/C) in the fold. My wing rotation is the best thing I like about this team, since outside of Smith, they're all plus defenders that no one would want to go up against. Combined with a frontcourt that is able to bring Amir Johnson off the bench, this team can run while still being elite defensively, and you can't field many teams that can do that. I have athleticism, I have speed, I have perimeter shooting, and I have defense - what else could you ask more in today's NBA? How many people want to go up against CP3/Chandler/Batum/Blake/Amir closing out a game?

And I have Kent Bazemore on the bench!
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Moranis on March 15, 2014, 09:54:14 AM
The new look Sacramento Kings and their 3 man rotations at every position.

PG - Isaiah Thomas / Kendall Marshall / Michael Carter-Williams
SG - Eric Gordon / Michael Carter-Williams / Vince Carter
SF - Jimmy Butler / Vince Carter / Wesley Johnson
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Miles Plumlee / Marcus Morris
C - Demarcus Cousins / Nerlens Noel / Miles Plumlee

Isaiah, Dirk, and Demarcus are all 20 ppg scorers as well as all three in the top 20 of PER on the season (I believe we are the only team with 3 such players in any of those categories, let alone both).

Demarcus has been unstoppable in the post this year.  No player has been able to shut him down, including Dwight, Davis, etc. and that is with the crap at PF in Sacramento.  Put him next to Dirk and he becomes a monster.

Gordon and Marshall are both above 40% from three, Nowitzki and Morris are just under it, while Thomas, Johnson, Carter, and Butler are all good outside shooters and even Demarcus is good from the high post.  There are no weak points offensively with this unit.

Butler is one of the best wing defenders in the league.  Carter adds that element to the bench.  Down low, Noel and Plumlee are rim protectors and/or bangers.  Both can play with either starting big man for a lot of match-up potential

In addition to being an excellent shooter, Marshall is second in the league in assists and apg at 9.5. 

Vince is 37, Dirk is 35, Johnson is 26.  No one else is older than 25 on the team.  The team is probably not a title contender this year, but would be a match-up nightmare for anyone and thus could make some noise, especially with Dirk leading the charge.  However, with the team so young and so talented, the window for it is 10 years, which sets it apart from most of the teams in this thing.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: JBcat on March 15, 2014, 11:30:58 AM
With Noel out, you only have 2 true back up bigs so Cousins and Dirk will have to log heavy minutes.  I checked Cousins and he is only at 32 MPG, but would be more if he didn't get in foul trouble so much.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Enzzo on March 17, 2014, 10:53:39 AM
Hey guys, so sorry for my absence. There was an emergency and I've had to go overseas and haven't had access (or time) to jump on here. I still have limited access although I'm hoping to be back home by the weekend. If there's anyone looking to co-GM that would help, sorry for any hold ups because of me.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: BigAlTheFuture on March 17, 2014, 11:46:15 AM
Hey guys, so sorry for my absence. There was an emergency and I've had to go overseas and haven't had access (or time) to jump on here. I still have limited access although I'm hoping to be back home by the weekend. If there's anyone looking to co-GM that would help, sorry for any hold ups because of me.

I think the league is over now.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: Roy H. on March 17, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
Hey guys, so sorry for my absence. There was an emergency and I've had to go overseas and haven't had access (or time) to jump on here. I still have limited access although I'm hoping to be back home by the weekend. If there's anyone looking to co-GM that would help, sorry for any hold ups because of me.

Not a problem at all, man. Hope all is well.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on March 17, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
Hey guys, so sorry for my absence. There was an emergency and I've had to go overseas and haven't had access (or time) to jump on here. I still have limited access although I'm hoping to be back home by the weekend. If there's anyone looking to co-GM that would help, sorry for any hold ups because of me.

Stank happens. Hope everything's all good.
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: nickagneta on October 10, 2014, 02:27:20 PM
2014 Pick 2 New Orleans Pelicans

PG: George Hill/Jameer Nelson/Mario Chalmers
SG: Victor Oladipo/Kobe Bryant/(Mario Chalmers)
SF: Chandler Parsons/P.J. Tucker
PF: Anthony Davis/Brandon Bass/Mike Scott
C: DeAndre Jordan/Enes Kanter

And people doubted that Kobe could come back. This team was one of my best ever in these drafts
Title: Re: 2014 Pick 2: General Commentary
Post by: pearljammer10 on October 10, 2014, 04:25:03 PM
The finished Blazers. Youth in the starters, champions and veteran leadership from the bench.

PG: Lillard/Jackson
SG: Green/Miller/Wroten
SF: Leonard/Prince
PF: ALdridge/Diaw
C:  Noah/Andersen/Perkins




Rotation Minutes:

Lillard (36)/Jackson (12)
Green (30)/Jackson (12)/Miller(6)
Leonard (35)/Prince (13)
Aldridge (38)/Diaw(10)
Noah(34)/Andersen(10)/Perkins(4)

finals MVP. DPOY. 3 champions. 1 runner up. 5th place 6th man. One top 5 in MVP voting one more in top ten. I loved my squad as well.