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Title: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: prov1ml34 on January 05, 2014, 05:23:26 PM
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Boston Celtics, I'm told, are in advanced discussions on a trade to acquire Jerryd Bayles from Memphis in a deal involving Courtney Lee


Not sure how I feel about it...other than Bayless is a FA this summer so it'll free up a lot of $ going forward. And Bayless usually kills us.


SEMI-UPDATE:

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Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick
As @ESPNSteinLine reports, Boston-Memphis discussing Courtney Lee-Jerryd Bayless swap.I'm told other pieces may be involved if it progresses
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: crownontherocks on January 05, 2014, 05:24:46 PM
^ this

Looks like this deal is close
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 05, 2014, 05:25:33 PM
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Boston Celtics, I'm told, are in advanced discussions on a trade to acquire Jerryd Bayles from Memphis in a deal involving Courtney Lee


Not sure how I feel about it...

If there are no picks involved, wow. Bayless is on an expiring contract. I'd be flabbergasted if Ainge pulls that off.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 05, 2014, 05:29:00 PM
Reports were last year that Memphis offered to take Lee with it's trade exception at the deadline.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: crownontherocks on January 05, 2014, 05:29:11 PM
As @ESPNSteinLine reports, Boston-Memphis discussing Courtney Lee-Jerryd Bayless swap.I'm told other pieces may be involved if it progresses

Sam amick
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: VitorSullyandKOFan on January 05, 2014, 05:29:56 PM
Good trade if it happens.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: prov1ml34 on January 05, 2014, 05:32:39 PM
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A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
Source: Courtney Lee trade to #Grizzlies is close to being completed.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 05:33:23 PM
Would mainly be a salary dump.  Lee makes 5.2 mil a year for the next 3 years.  He serves no purpose for a team that is trying to bottom out.

Now if we can just find a taker for Bass and Wallace we'd be in business.

I wonder if we have to give up a pick in order for Memphis to take on Lee's salary?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 05:33:43 PM
Woah, Didn't see that one coming.

Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: crownontherocks on January 05, 2014, 05:36:53 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Atzar on January 05, 2014, 05:39:06 PM
If we aren't giving up anything else of value... yes please!
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 05:42:52 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed

Maybe we get mike miller too. haha he's expiring. in more ways than one. haha
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 05, 2014, 05:43:05 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed

Assuming no other salary would be going with Bayless to Boston, Memphis would probably use the TE from the Rudy Gay trade to absorb Lee's salary.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: prov1ml34 on January 05, 2014, 05:43:37 PM
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Trade call on Boston's looming acquisition of Jerryd Bayless for Courtney Lee, I'm told, is being scheduled for Monday. Deal is happening
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 05, 2014, 05:44:13 PM
I like it, but the trade machine says it's a no-go. There's got to be one more moving part?

edit: someone else already said the same thing.

As far as guys on the floor go, I'm kind of non-plussed. Lee had been playing really well this year, but I think he'll do good things for the Grizz, who I enjoy.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: prov1ml34 on January 05, 2014, 05:45:22 PM
She is a done deal folks, would like to know if there are any other parts/assets included on either side....

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Sean Grande ‏@SeanGrandePBP
Courtney Lee "probably will not play" is the early word from Brad Stevens tonight. More to come at 6:30 from here in OKC.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Endless Paradise on January 05, 2014, 05:46:21 PM
Something else has to be involved.  Memphis is in less position to take on extra salary than Boston, so I don't see why they'd do a straight swap of Lee and Bayless when Bayless has the expiring.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: henr1k on January 05, 2014, 05:47:09 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed

Grizzlies can use their Rudy Gay trade exception to make the numbers work.

I like the trade cause if gives us more flexibility going forward but I still can't get over the fact we lost 3 2nd round picks to sign Lee. (1 of which was from Charlotte)

Edit: Lucky17 already mentioned TPE while I was playing with trade machine
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: greenteam17 on January 05, 2014, 05:48:15 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6398704
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 05, 2014, 05:49:10 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed

Grizzlies can use their Rudy Gay trade exception to make the numbers work.

I like the trade cause if gives us more flexibility going forward but I still can't get over the fact we lost 3 2nd round picks to sign Lee. (1 of which was from Charlotte)

A shame Lee never really worked out in Boston. At the time, the deal was universally lauded as a great piece of work by Ainge to cobble together enough assets to make a deal happen.

I'll wish Lee well. He gets to go to a playoff team in the West, and should contribute.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 05, 2014, 05:49:38 PM
What?? What a coup. Bayless always murders us, too.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Endless Paradise on January 05, 2014, 05:50:09 PM
He gets to go to a playoff team in the West...

Yeeeeeaaaaah.... about that. Hahaha.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 05, 2014, 05:51:49 PM
If it's a straight up swap of Lee for Bayless, Celtics will get some breathing room under the LT threshold, which could facilitate some other deals between now and mid-February.

And Bayless has value around the league. Like Crawford, he's scoring combo guard on a relatively small and expiring contract. I wouldn't be surprised if Ainge flips him.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 05, 2014, 05:53:02 PM
He gets to go to a playoff team in the West...

Yeeeeeaaaaah.... about that. Hahaha.

LOL, guess I should have looked more closely at the standings. I thought they were hanging around the 8th seed, with Gasol coming back.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 05, 2014, 05:54:22 PM
link:

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/10247719/boston-celtics-reach-agreement-trade-courtney-lee-memphis-grizzlies-jerryd-bayless

Seems like a salary dump, primarily.

Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: snively on January 05, 2014, 05:56:44 PM
Lee's worth his money if he's getting 24mpg as the 3rd guard. Not the ideal situation for him though - I've always thought he'd be best sandwiched between two ball-dominant guards, like Irving and Waiters in Cleveland.

Not a fan of Bayless, especially on a team with Crawford, but it's nice to have that much less salary to get in the way.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Endless Paradise on January 05, 2014, 05:56:58 PM
Wow, a straight swap.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 05, 2014, 05:57:25 PM
Wow.  Nicely done Danny.

Lee was playing really well for us this season, but glad we're getting rid of his contract.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: lon3lytoaster on January 05, 2014, 05:57:48 PM
Curious why the call is happening tomorrow, though. Are the offices closed today?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: henr1k on January 05, 2014, 05:58:06 PM

A shame Lee never really worked out in Boston. At the time, the deal was universally lauded as a great piece of work by Ainge to cobble together enough assets to make a deal happen.

I'll wish Lee well. He gets to go to a playoff team in the West, and should contribute.

Yeah, I remember being super excited that Danny managed to replace Ray with Terry+Lee combo. Just shows that being a GM isn't that easy.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Mencius on January 05, 2014, 05:58:29 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed

Assuming no other salary would be going with Bayless to Boston, Memphis would probably use the TE from the Rudy Gay trade to absorb Lee's salary.
I thought trade exceptions could not be combined with actual players.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I was thinking either Franklin or Leuer would be coming our way along with Bayless.

I like the move.  Didn't make sense to keep Lee's salary on the books for 2 years after this.  I'm sure Danny will still be open to trading Bass or Hump, too.  One down, at least one to go.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: tyrone biggums on January 05, 2014, 05:58:38 PM
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A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
Source: Courtney Lee trade to #Grizzlies is close to being completed.

This means it's bogus, correct?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 05:59:23 PM
Curious why the call is happening tomorrow, though. Are the offices closed today?

Snow day. LOL
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 05:59:46 PM
Bayless is irrelevant.  It's purely a salary dump.

Should be interesting to see if there is more salary dumps to come.  We still have big contracts on the books for a team that is 3-5 years away from competing:  Wallace, Bass, Green, Rondo.

Obviously Rondo and Green have more trade value than Wallace and Bass.

One down.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 05, 2014, 06:01:30 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed

Assuming no other salary would be going with Bayless to Boston, Memphis would probably use the TE from the Rudy Gay trade to absorb Lee's salary.
I thought trade exceptions could not be combined with actual players.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I was thinking either Franklin or Leuer would be coming our way along with Bayless.

I like the move.  Didn't make sense to keep Lee's salary on the books for 2 years after this.  I'm sure Danny will still be open to trading Bass or Hump, too.  One down, at least one to go.

Technically, I believe it'll be a two step-transaction: Memphis will use the Gay TE to take Lee, and then trade Bayless to Boston, who will absorb Bayless' salary via the TE created by trading Lee to Memphis.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 06:02:02 PM
Bayless is irrelevant.  It's purely a salary dump.

Should be interesting to see if there is more salary dumps to come.  We still have big contracts on the books for a team that is 3-5 years away from competing:  Wallace, Bass, Green, Rondo.

Obviously Rondo and Green have more trade value than Wallace and Bass.

One down.

Bayless can give you 25 points in one quarter though. lol
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 05, 2014, 06:03:39 PM
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A. Sherrod Blakely ‏@SherrodbCSN
Source: Courtney Lee trade to #Grizzlies is close to being completed.

This means it's bogus, correct?

Ha! TP.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 06:04:07 PM
Bayless is irrelevant.  It's purely a salary dump.

Should be interesting to see if there is more salary dumps to come.  We still have big contracts on the books for a team that is 3-5 years away from competing:  Wallace, Bass, Green, Rondo.

Obviously Rondo and Green have more trade value than Wallace and Bass.

One down.

Bayless can give you 25 points in one quarter though. lol
This does something rather interesting.  If Boston lets Bradley and Crawford walk, they now only have 43 mil in committed salary next season.  Cap is generally 58 mil.   We have to sign our draft picks, though... which will cut into that.  If we can dump Bass's salary, we might be looking at enough space to chase a significant free agent.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Mencius on January 05, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed

Assuming no other salary would be going with Bayless to Boston, Memphis would probably use the TE from the Rudy Gay trade to absorb Lee's salary.
I thought trade exceptions could not be combined with actual players.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I was thinking either Franklin or Leuer would be coming our way along with Bayless.

I like the move.  Didn't make sense to keep Lee's salary on the books for 2 years after this.  I'm sure Danny will still be open to trading Bass or Hump, too.  One down, at least one to go.

Technically, I believe it'll be a two step-transaction: Memphis will use the Gay TE to take Lee, and then trade Bayless to Boston, who will absorb Bayless' salary via the TE created by trading Lee to Memphis.
Oh, thanks.  Well, that's creative if it works out that way.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 06:07:05 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed

Assuming no other salary would be going with Bayless to Boston, Memphis would probably use the TE from the Rudy Gay trade to absorb Lee's salary.
I thought trade exceptions could not be combined with actual players.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I was thinking either Franklin or Leuer would be coming our way along with Bayless.

I like the move.  Didn't make sense to keep Lee's salary on the books for 2 years after this.  I'm sure Danny will still be open to trading Bass or Hump, too.  One down, at least one to go.

Technically, I believe it'll be a two step-transaction: Memphis will use the Gay TE to take Lee, and then trade Bayless to Boston, who will absorb Bayless' salary via the TE created by trading Lee to Memphis.
Oh, thanks.  Well, that's creative if it works out that way.
That's legal?  If you use a trade exception to absorb salary, the other team gets a trade exception?  You sure they wouldn't absorb Lee using the Gay trade exception... and then Boston absorb's bayless using part of the Pierce trade exception?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 06:08:40 PM
Bayless is irrelevant.  It's purely a salary dump.

Should be interesting to see if there is more salary dumps to come.  We still have big contracts on the books for a team that is 3-5 years away from competing:  Wallace, Bass, Green, Rondo.

Obviously Rondo and Green have more trade value than Wallace and Bass.

One down.

Bayless can give you 25 points in one quarter though. lol
This does something rather interesting.  If Boston lets Bradley and Crawford walk, they now only have 43 mil in committed salary next season.  Cap is generally 58 mil.   We have to sign our draft picks, though... which will cut into that.  If we can dump Bass's salary, we might be looking at enough space to chase a significant free agent.

Maybe thats the plan?
Good move by danny though. This season is a wash. Although a fun wash I might add. I love watching this team this season.

But I think thats a good move.
Now if Danny moves Gerald Wallaces horrible contract, that would be amazing
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: The Rondo Show on January 05, 2014, 06:09:42 PM
Apparently it's official
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 05, 2014, 06:09:54 PM
That's legal?
Yes.

ah, I see you edited. You can learn all about trade exceptions, how they're created, and how they work from the FAQ:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q81
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: prov1ml34 on January 05, 2014, 06:11:50 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: jojowhite10 on January 05, 2014, 06:12:52 PM
Only way we dump Wallace's contract is if he starts playing significantly more minutes and starts scoring more.

I think this is a good move for Ainge. I am curious whether trading for an expiring means he plans on letting Humphries expire at the end of the year as well
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 06:13:27 PM
That's legal?
Yes.

ah, I see you edited. You can learn all about trade exceptions, how they're created, and how they work from the FAQ:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q81
But the one thing I took away from that Doc/Clippers fiasco is that you couldn't have two separate deals contingent on each other.  How is this any different if deal 2 is dependent on Deal 1 and vice versa?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 06:14:12 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 06:14:57 PM
Only way we dump Wallace's contract is if he starts playing significantly more minutes and starts scoring more.

I think this is a good move for Ainge. I am curious whether trading for an expiring means he plans on letting Humphries expire at the end of the year as well
Although Lee for expiring is a tiny insignificant trade... it does indeed paint the picture of Boston heading in the "selling' direction.

Should be an interesting month.

Bayless should be a nice back-up for Crawford this year once we trade Rondo for draft picks and expirings. 

lol j/k
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Eja117 on January 05, 2014, 06:15:05 PM
I'm not saying Bayless is an all star or anything, but neither was Lee and Lee was unhappy. Bayless has scored in double digits in over a third of his games this year and is a young decent athletic combo guard.  He's a tad redundant with what we have, but him, Avery, and J Craw are a nice group for now, and when Rondo comes back it gets nicer. Nice depth situation. There's nothing to dislike here.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: VitorSullyandKOFan on January 05, 2014, 06:15:57 PM
Only way we dump Wallace's contract is if he starts playing significantly more minutes and starts scoring more.

I think this is a good move for Ainge. I am curious whether trading for an expiring means he plans on letting Humphries expire at the end of the year as well
Although Lee for expiring is a tiny insignificant trade... it does indeed paint the picture of Boston heading in the "selling' direction.

Should be an interesting month.

It's not insignificant it gives more flexibility and cap space if we want to add good players in the summer or Feb deadline.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 05, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
That's legal?
Yes.

ah, I see you edited. You can learn all about trade exceptions, how they're created, and how they work from the FAQ:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q81
But the one thing I took away from that Doc/Clippers fiasco is that you couldn't have two separate deals contingent on each other.  How is this any different if deal 2 is dependent on Deal 1 and vice versa?

The Doc/Clippers thing had to do with the fact that you can't actually trade coaches, and the "wink wink, nudge nudge" nature of the transaction (which was supposed to be KG/DOC for DeAndre and a 1st, I think) p---ed off the rest of the owners, who complained to the league, who instituted the "no tradsies" moratorium between us and the Clips.

We didn't trade Doc. We released Doc from his contract early so that he could sign a new contract with the Clippers in exchange for a 1st round pick.

Of course, one of the "unspoken" contingencies of KG heading to the Clippers was that Doc would be the coach. That's why the league office brought the hammer down on the KG/DeAndre trade--because it was effectively a player + coach for player + draft pick trade, and that's illegal under the current CBA.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: jojowhite10 on January 05, 2014, 06:21:19 PM
Only way we dump Wallace's contract is if he starts playing significantly more minutes and starts scoring more.

I think this is a good move for Ainge. I am curious whether trading for an expiring means he plans on letting Humphries expire at the end of the year as well
Although Lee for expiring is a tiny insignificant trade... it does indeed paint the picture of Boston heading in the "selling' direction.

Should be an interesting month.

It's not insignificant it gives more flexibility and cap space if we want to add good players in the summer or Feb deadline.

Think he meant when it comes to affecting the W/L total for the team--same page.

I just hope we can find a way to dump Wallace's contract. I would be willing to throw in a first
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 05, 2014, 06:23:53 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 05, 2014, 06:25:20 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 06:29:39 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

And somewhere Courtney Lee is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time DIDN'T pay off! I should shut my mouth more often!"
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 06:34:14 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

And somewhere Courtney Lee is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time DIDN'T pay off! I should shut my mouth more often!"
Or he's thinking "Sweet... this is a team that could be reasonably competitive this year and I'll actually have a role"
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Celtics18 on January 05, 2014, 06:37:29 PM
I wish Courtney the best in Memphis.  Hopefully, he will be able to find a solid role in their rotation.

Good luck, Courtney.  You'll be missed. 
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: VitorSullyandKOFan on January 05, 2014, 06:40:04 PM
I think Ainge will try to sign Bynum now that he has flexibility.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: crownontherocks on January 05, 2014, 06:41:28 PM
If we wanted to can we trade bayless before trade deadline
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 06:41:37 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

And somewhere Courtney Lee is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time DIDN'T pay off! I should shut my mouth more often!"
Or he's thinking "Sweet... this is a team that could be reasonably competitive this year and I'll actually have a role"

Or he's saying I'm in another position where theres a lot of Guards.. Tony Allen, Nick Calathes, Seth Curry, Jamaal Franklin, Quincy Pondexter and Mike Miller..

Or that....
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: chambers on January 05, 2014, 06:42:03 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
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Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)


Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 05, 2014, 06:42:32 PM
If we wanted to can we trade bayless before trade deadline

Yes. Just so long as his salary isn't combined with another Celtic player's to bring back a larger salary.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 06:45:50 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
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Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)

TP... should free up some minutes for Brooks.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 05, 2014, 06:46:12 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

And somewhere Courtney Lee is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time DIDN'T pay off! I should shut my mouth more often!"
Or he's thinking "Sweet... this is a team that could be reasonably competitive this year and I'll actually have a role"

Or he's saying I'm in another position where theres a lot of Guards.. Tony Allen, Nick Calathes, Seth Curry, Jamaal Franklin, Quincy Pondexter..

Or that....

Pondexter is out for the season with a foot injury and Curry was released.  Pretty sure Lee will get the nod ahead of Calathes and Franklin.  Should get a decent amount of playing time.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 06:48:14 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

And somewhere Courtney Lee is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time DIDN'T pay off! I should shut my mouth more often!"
Or he's thinking "Sweet... this is a team that could be reasonably competitive this year and I'll actually have a role"

Or he's saying I'm in another position where theres a lot of Guards.. Tony Allen, Nick Calathes, Seth Curry, Jamaal Franklin, Quincy Pondexter..

Or that....

Pondexter is out for the season with a foot injury and Curry was released.  Pretty sure Lee will get the nod ahead of Calathes and Franklin.  Should get a decent amount of playing time.

Was he waived today? or yesterday?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 05, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
I tried the espn trade machine and said failed

Grizzlies can use their Rudy Gay trade exception to make the numbers work.

I like the trade cause if gives us more flexibility going forward but I still can't get over the fact we lost 3 2nd round picks to sign Lee. (1 of which was from Charlotte)

You win some, you lose some...

At least it was a 2nd round pick in a draft that's looking to be historically bad
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SCeltic34 on January 05, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

And somewhere Courtney Lee is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time DIDN'T pay off! I should shut my mouth more often!"
Or he's thinking "Sweet... this is a team that could be reasonably competitive this year and I'll actually have a role"

Or he's saying I'm in another position where theres a lot of Guards.. Tony Allen, Nick Calathes, Seth Curry, Jamaal Franklin, Quincy Pondexter..

Or that....

Pondexter is out for the season with a foot injury and Curry was released.  Pretty sure Lee will get the nod ahead of Calathes and Franklin.  Should get a decent amount of playing time.

Was he waived today? or yesterday?

Think it was today.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: rondohondo on January 05, 2014, 06:52:30 PM
so if we can move bass for an expiring could we offer a max contract next year?

Say we move Bass for expiring  , and bottom out with a top 5 pick...

Sign Melo to a max deal

Now have the # 5 or higher pick to draft or trade for another big piece .

Melo is your # 1 scorerer and finisher
Sully is the # 2 option and beast in the low post
Rondo is # 3 option and sets everyone up
Green as 6th man off bench
-Bradley would fit perfectly at 2 guard, but not sure we can resign him , and still sign a max FA ?

We would be a rim protector away from a legit contender IMO
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: chambers on January 05, 2014, 06:52:32 PM
so who starts?
Crawford or Bayless?

And when Rondo comes back, who's the back up?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Endless Paradise on January 05, 2014, 06:53:42 PM
FWIW, the Grizzlies are supposedly considering bringing Curry back once they can start signing players to 10-day contracts.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 06:56:15 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

And somewhere Courtney Lee is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time DIDN'T pay off! I should shut my mouth more often!"
Or he's thinking "Sweet... this is a team that could be reasonably competitive this year and I'll actually have a role"

Or he's saying I'm in another position where theres a lot of Guards.. Tony Allen, Nick Calathes, Seth Curry, Jamaal Franklin, Quincy Pondexter..

Or that....

Pondexter is out for the season with a foot injury and Curry was released.  Pretty sure Lee will get the nod ahead of Calathes and Franklin.  Should get a decent amount of playing time.
Pretty sure Memphis wouldn't take on the 15 mil in his contract if they didn't have a role for him.  He'll get minutes. 
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on January 05, 2014, 07:01:04 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote
Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)



Hahahaha we were right, DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, unless...


Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 07:01:29 PM
so if we can move bass for an expiring could we offer a max contract next year?

Say we move Bass for expiring  , and bottom out with a top 5 pick...

Sign Melo to a max deal

Now have the # 5 or higher pick to draft or trade for another big piece .

Melo is your # 1 scorerer and finisher
Sully is the # 2 option and beast in the low post
Rondo is # 3 option and sets everyone up
Green as 6th man off bench
-Bradley would fit perfectly at 2 guard, but not sure we can resign him , and still sign a max FA ?

We would be a rim protector away from a legit contender IMO
If you move Bass for an expiring contract AND let Bradley and Crawford walk, you'd have cap space.

As is we're looking at like 15 mil in cap space if you let Bradley and Crawford walk, but that's before we hand out contracts to our draft picks and before you re-sign Bradley.

It would make some sense to package Bradley + Bass for an expiring contract and a draft pick.  I mean, if Boston is going the "Sign Melo" route, they are going to let Bradley walk... so might as well trade him now. 

Or I mean someting like Bass + Bradley + Bogans expiring + Crawford for Bynum and Waiters makes sense too.  You'd dump Bass's salary, get rid of a couple guys you probably wouldn't re-sign anyways (Bradley and Crawford) and pick up a young asset still on his rookie deal (Waiters).  That'd put your cap at around 40 mil next season... after you sign your rookies you're still probably looking at 10+ mil to offer a free agent.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: timobusa on January 05, 2014, 07:03:40 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

And somewhere Courtney Lee is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time DIDN'T pay off! I should shut my mouth more often!"
Or he's thinking "Sweet... this is a team that could be reasonably competitive this year and I'll actually have a role"

Or he's saying I'm in another position where theres a lot of Guards.. Tony Allen, Nick Calathes, Seth Curry, Jamaal Franklin, Quincy Pondexter..

Or that....

Pondexter is out for the season with a foot injury and Curry was released.  Pretty sure Lee will get the nod ahead of Calathes and Franklin.  Should get a decent amount of playing time.

Was he waived today? or yesterday?

Think it was today.

Ahh I see. Well if that was done today, this trade was probably premeditated weeks ago.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: nickagneta on January 05, 2014, 07:09:10 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote
Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)

TP... should free up some minutes for Brooks.
How does trading a very good role playing guard for a very good role playing guard open up time for MarShon Brooks, a guard and the last player on the depth chart, a horrible one at that?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: jambr380 on January 05, 2014, 07:09:27 PM
so if we can move bass for an expiring could we offer a max contract next year?

Say we move Bass for expiring  , and bottom out with a top 5 pick...

Sign Melo to a max deal

Now have the # 5 or higher pick to draft or trade for another big piece .

Melo is your # 1 scorerer and finisher
Sully is the # 2 option and beast in the low post
Rondo is # 3 option and sets everyone up
Green as 6th man off bench
-Bradley would fit perfectly at 2 guard, but not sure we can resign him , and still sign a max FA ?

We would be a rim protector away from a legit contender IMO

I am pretty sure in this scenario, Danny would package a first along with Wallace to get him off the books. It would be great to do it by the trade deadline so we could acquire an expiring. If it's after the season, we could really only trade with a team under the cap...which may require more than just a first.

Also, you should expect Green to be traded - hopefully with Det for Monroe.

This is all very plausible. If we can parlay Bass or Humphries into a first, we will have plenty of picks to work with this offseason.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: rondoallaturca on January 05, 2014, 07:09:58 PM
Money-conscious Memphis has to have another deal lined up. There is no way they absorb this much salary for a Courtney Lee level player straight up.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 05, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
With Lee out tonight and Brooks in the D-League I wonder if there will be a KEITH BOGANS sighting!

BOGANS FIRST GUARD OFF THE BENCH? WHAAAT?

Somewhere Bogans is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time really paid off! I should do that more often!"

And somewhere Courtney Lee is thinking "Hey, that whining about playing time DIDN'T pay off! I should shut my mouth more often!"

Haha. Well apparently, Keith Bogans is a much more persuasive dude than Courtney Lee.

On a serious note: lots of credit to Ainge for selling high on Lee. Six months ago this deal would have been unthinkable.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: j804 on January 05, 2014, 07:14:54 PM
Bayless is irrelevant.  It's purely a salary dump.

Should be interesting to see if there is more salary dumps to come.  We still have big contracts on the books for a team that is 3-5 years away from competing:  Wallace, Bass, Green, Rondo.

Obviously Rondo and Green have more trade value than Wallace and Bass.

One down.

Bayless can give you 25 points in one quarter though. lol
This does something rather interesting.  If Boston lets Bradley and Crawford walk, they now only have 43 mil in committed salary next season.  Cap is generally 58 mil.   We have to sign our draft picks, though... which will cut into that.  If we can dump Bass's salary, we might be looking at enough space to chase a significant free agent.
Gordon Hayward?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 05, 2014, 07:15:59 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote
Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)

TP... should free up some minutes for Brooks.
How does trading a very good role playing guard for a very good role playing guard open up time for MarShon Brooks, a guard and the last player on the depth chart, a horrible one at that?

Lee took SG minutes, Bayless more than likely will take PG minutes. That means it's more likely that Bayless would be taking on Pressey's minutes as oppossed to Lee taking on potential Brook minutes. But Bayless can function out there with two PGs on the floor... but it's a different dynamic rotation wise.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 05, 2014, 07:17:19 PM
Money-conscious Memphis has to have another deal lined up. There is no way they absorb this much salary for a Courtney Lee level player straight up.

It might be worth mentioning that Lee has a fairly significant edge over Bayless in PER while only being a 2 million dollar increase in salary over Jerryd...

And that they've hired John Hollinger, the guy who invented PER, to helm their statistician squad.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: rondoallaturca on January 05, 2014, 07:19:11 PM
Money-conscious Memphis has to have another deal lined up. There is no way they absorb this much salary for a Courtney Lee level player straight up.

It might be worth mentioning that Lee has a fairly significant edge over Bayless in PER while only being a 2 million dollar increase in salary over Jerryd...

And that they've hired John Hollinger, the guy who invented PER, to helm their statistician squad.

Yeah, Lee's viewed favorably by advanced statistics so I'm not surprised Hollinger grabbed him. Also, my apologies; I was not aware Bayless was making north of $3M.

EDIT: Actually, this trade would still bring Memphis to about $200K away from the tax threshold. Cutting Seth Curry, and they'd still be just $500K. I doubt they'd be comfortable being that close to the luxury tax. I still expect them to make a follow-up move.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Boris Badenov on January 05, 2014, 07:20:06 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote
Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)

TP... should free up some minutes for Brooks.
How does trading a very good role playing guard for a very good role playing guard open up time for MarShon Brooks, a guard and the last player on the depth chart, a horrible one at that?

Lee took SG minutes, Bayless more than likely will take PG minutes. That means it's more likely that Bayless would be taking on Pressey's minutes as oppossed to Lee taking on potential Brook minutes. But Bayless can function out there with two PGs on the floor... but it's a different dynamic rotation wise.

Speaking of the future, I'm a little surprised no one has spun this into a "Rondo will be traded" or "Rondo will definitely not return this year" theory yet.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: nickagneta on January 05, 2014, 07:20:15 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote
Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)

TP... should free up some minutes for Brooks.
How does trading a very good role playing guard for a very good role playing guard open up time for MarShon Brooks, a guard and the last player on the depth chart, a horrible one at that?

Lee took SG minutes, Bayless more than likely will take PG minutes. That means it's more likely that Bayless would be taking on Pressey's minutes as oppossed to Lee taking on potential Brook minutes. But Bayless can function out there with two PGs on the floor... but it's a different dynamic rotation wise.
Bayless is a combo guard, and a pretty good one at that. He can just take on Lee's role.

Now if Brooks starts getting minutes over Bayless, then I am going to start believing that Ainge is telling Stevens who to play and who not to play in a full out tank job. There's just no way Brooks deserves minutes over Bayless. Bayless is just too good.


Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: nickagneta on January 05, 2014, 07:22:21 PM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.


Now they are both on the same team.....for now.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 05, 2014, 07:27:02 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote
Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)

TP... should free up some minutes for Brooks.
How does trading a very good role playing guard for a very good role playing guard open up time for MarShon Brooks, a guard and the last player on the depth chart, a horrible one at that?

Lee took SG minutes, Bayless more than likely will take PG minutes. That means it's more likely that Bayless would be taking on Pressey's minutes as oppossed to Lee taking on potential Brook minutes. But Bayless can function out there with two PGs on the floor... but it's a different dynamic rotation wise.
Bayless is a combo guard, and a pretty good one at that. He can just take on Lee's role.

Now if Brooks starts getting minutes over Bayless, then I am going to start believing that Ainge is telling Stevens who to play and who not to play in a full out tank job. There's just no way Brooks deserves minutes over Bayless. Bayless is just too good.

I'm not arguing Bayless is worse than Brooks but let's not act like its miles apart.

Bayless is shooting 37% and 28% from 3pt.

I have no issue giving Brooks at least equal minutes to Bayless.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 05, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
Quote
Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)

TP... should free up some minutes for Brooks.
How does trading a very good role playing guard for a very good role playing guard open up time for MarShon Brooks, a guard and the last player on the depth chart, a horrible one at that?

Lee took SG minutes, Bayless more than likely will take PG minutes. That means it's more likely that Bayless would be taking on Pressey's minutes as oppossed to Lee taking on potential Brook minutes. But Bayless can function out there with two PGs on the floor... but it's a different dynamic rotation wise.
Bayless is a combo guard, and a pretty good one at that. He can just take on Lee's role.

Now if Brooks starts getting minutes over Bayless, then I am going to start believing that Ainge is telling Stevens who to play and who not to play in a full out tank job. There's just no way Brooks deserves minutes over Bayless. Bayless is just too good.

I'm not advocating who should play. All I'm saying that Lee and Bayless are two different players who'll affect the rotation differently. With Bayless there's a better opportunity for Brooks to get on the floor than there was with Lee. Whether he gets in or not, whether he earns minutes or not, is quite irrelevant.

Fact is that we lack size in our guard position, something that Lee provided off the bench, and now Bogans is the other alternative.

How much playing time will Bayless have though in order to get SG minutes, if you assume he'll get all the back-up PG minutes?

Right off the bat logic should let you infer that the effect of Bayless instead of Lee in the rotation is how it'll affect the back-up PG minutes firstly, and how it'll open up opportunities for a SG off the bench instead. The X factor would be how many minutes will Stevens allocate to Bayless. He could get all the bench minutes on those positions, but I severely doubt it.

Guess he could play Pressey and Bayless together, but that's a lot of size they're giving up without the defense to support it.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Ogaju on January 05, 2014, 07:31:04 PM
any relation to Skip Bayless?/ lol
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 05, 2014, 07:34:22 PM
supports the rebuild of the Celtics…like Lee …but that contract just needed to GO .


Gerrrrrrate…….the Tank rolls forward.



Now dump Wallace and Bass ….we'll be in business
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: tyrone biggums on January 05, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.


Now they are both on the same team.....for now.

Yeah I remember. I'm assuming when Jimmer gets traded or signs here we'll reminisce about the Rondo for Jimmer/Tyreke Evans dream scenarios too. Ainge must trade for every scrub that has been rumored to be moved for Rondo in the last 3 years in order to confuse the internet GM's!!!
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: 2short on January 05, 2014, 07:46:38 PM
If this was already mentioned forgive me for not reading through all the posts (no glasses)
Can this mean Crawford is soon to go , maybe in a package with bass?
Bayless can play pg pressey can back him up and looming on the horizon is rondos return
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: greg683x on January 05, 2014, 07:47:39 PM
espn has an article written up for the trade being accepted but it doesnt look like theyve decided to post it yet, unless ive overlooked it onthe headlines on the main and nba pages.  I googled jerryd bayless and the article popped up.  Heres a link to it....


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10247719/boston-celtics-looking-trade-courtney-lee-memphis-grizzlies-jerryd-bayless
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BballTim on January 05, 2014, 07:53:33 PM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.

  You know how it is. Any young pg that has a decent stretch of play is either better than Rondo or "soon will be".
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 05, 2014, 08:01:12 PM
I'm surprised at this trade, because I hadn't heard any rumors, but I like it.

The trade for Lee was a good one when it was made—Danny got creative to acquire a shooter to help KG and Pierce on one more run. That plan didn't work out and has since been scrapped for a new (rebuilding) plan, and Lee didn't quite fit in with that (at least, not with that contract). Today's trade saves the Cs some money this season, but more importantly opens up cap space over the next couple seasons.

I like Lee and wish him well, but this is a good step for a rebuilding Cs team.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: ChefEricT on January 05, 2014, 08:02:49 PM
If this was already mentioned forgive me for not reading through all the posts (no glasses)
Can this mean Crawford is soon to go , maybe in a package with bass?
Bayless can play pg pressey can back him up and looming on the horizon is rondos return

I was thinking either Crawford or Bradley could be next.  Either way, I think there is more to come.  Even though this was a relatively small trade, it has me quite excited.  Nobody was talking about this before it happened.  I think it's safe to say that we all love to play GM (especially in a time of rebuilding) and many ideas are posted on here (though I haven't contributed much in a while), but nobody was talking about this possibility.  Going back to the assembly of GPA, we were posting all sorts of ideas, but Garnett didn't look like a realistic possibility and nobody was talking about Allen.  Out of left field, Danny trades for Allen and Garnett becomes realistic.  As much as we love to play GM, we can't get in Danny's head.  He's super creative and when everybody is looking left, he pulls off a trick from the right.  It just goes to show, we have no idea what is next, but I sure am excited to see.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 05, 2014, 08:08:47 PM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.

  You know how it is. Any young pg that has a decent stretch of play is either better than Rondo or "soon will be".
That's not how it is.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: crownontherocks on January 05, 2014, 08:09:50 PM
http://instagram.com/p/izq75CqiLr/

Lee thanks Boston
Classy move
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: chambers on January 05, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
I knew that there was something behind sending Marshon Brooks to the D-League.

I thought this was happening-

Quote from: chambers on January 02, 2014, 06:11:42 AM
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Of course it could be he's just getting some game time because he's got nothing better to do on the bench of the C's.

I should have worded my last post better but its hard to type a lot on the cell phone sometimes.

I agree with shak that something is fishy, we have different thoughts on why something fishy is up.

For a team that's trying to develop young guys, this may be the best way to do just that by giving Brooks some game time in D League.
It's just my personal opinion that he's been put on ice while we showcase the other guards.
Statistically he's a pretty good player on offense and his defense is average.
In Brooklyn in his second year he was shooting 46% from the field in 4 attempts a game as a jumpshooter althought his three point shooting was poor. His form looks good though and it's tough to say how much better he's gotten from behind the arc considering his pathetic playing time.

I'd say there's a big chance that we trade one or two of Lee, Bradley and Crawford and he slides into the regular rotation- that's what I mean by something 'fishy' being up.
Just pure speculation on my behalf but taking him out and giving him serious time with the scrubs is being done for a reason.
They said he wont be there long so maybe something is in the works :)

TP... should free up some minutes for Brooks.
How does trading a very good role playing guard for a very good role playing guard open up time for MarShon Brooks, a guard and the last player on the depth chart, a horrible one at that?

Lee took SG minutes, Bayless more than likely will take PG minutes. That means it's more likely that Bayless would be taking on Pressey's minutes as oppossed to Lee taking on potential Brook minutes. But Bayless can function out there with two PGs on the floor... but it's a different dynamic rotation wise.
Bayless is a combo guard, and a pretty good one at that. He can just take on Lee's role.

Now if Brooks starts getting minutes over Bayless, then I am going to start believing that Ainge is telling Stevens who to play and who not to play in a full out tank job. There's just no way Brooks deserves minutes over Bayless. Bayless is just too good.

Bayless is a good player but he's wild and unpredictable. He'll be reigned in under Steven's system ala Jordan Crawford.

I think there's a very good chance that Brooks is a rotation player now. It depends on where Stevens plays Bayless.
Does he bring Bayless in off the bench or does he start Bayless at PG and Bradley at SG with Craw off the bench?

I can see Pressey and Marshon's minutes being essentially swapped.
SG's: Bradley, Brooks
PG: Crawford, Bayless

Crawford and Bayless interchangeable combo guards.

We'll potentially see another move come shortly that will cement the guard rotation.
I wonder who goes...Bradley or Crawford?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 05, 2014, 08:27:36 PM
Sad to see Lee go …just now picked his game up a notch …but in the long scheme of things its the right move and puts him on a nice team where he can get time and playoffs
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: nickagneta on January 05, 2014, 08:31:10 PM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.

  You know how it is. Any young pg that has a decent stretch of play is either better than Rondo or "soon will be".
In fairness that was back in 2008-09 but yeah, that happens a lot.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Kuberski33 on January 05, 2014, 08:31:35 PM
so if we can move bass for an expiring could we offer a max contract next year?

Say we move Bass for expiring  , and bottom out with a top 5 pick...

Sign Melo to a max deal

Now have the # 5 or higher pick to draft or trade for another big piece .

Melo is your # 1 scorerer and finisher
Sully is the # 2 option and beast in the low post
Rondo is # 3 option and sets everyone up
Green as 6th man off bench
-Bradley would fit perfectly at 2 guard, but not sure we can resign him , and still sign a max FA ?

We would be a rim protector away from a legit contender IMO
Melo or any other established 'max' caliber player isn't coming here.  Best chance is someone we'd hope will develop into that kind of talent - i.e. Hayward.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: tyrone biggums on January 05, 2014, 08:45:37 PM
so if we can move bass for an expiring could we offer a max contract next year?

Say we move Bass for expiring  , and bottom out with a top 5 pick...

Sign Melo to a max deal

Now have the # 5 or higher pick to draft or trade for another big piece .

Melo is your # 1 scorerer and finisher
Sully is the # 2 option and beast in the low post
Rondo is # 3 option and sets everyone up
Green as 6th man off bench
-Bradley would fit perfectly at 2 guard, but not sure we can resign him , and still sign a max FA ?

We would be a rim protector away from a legit contender IMO
Melo or any other established 'max' caliber player isn't coming here.  Best chance is someone we'd hope will develop into that kind of talent - i.e. Hayward.

I strongly disagree with this. If the Celtics keep Rondo and this player wants to play with Rondo then why not? It's not like the weather is any worse in Boston. Plus you add in Sullinger and a top pick and this becomes a very attractive situation.

I remember when it was the said the Boston Red Sox would never attract top free agents either. People need to stop acting like coming to the Celtics is worse than going to the Bucks.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BballTim on January 05, 2014, 08:50:10 PM


  Without reading 7 pages to see if this came up, I wonder if Houston would be more interested in Bass/Bayless(expiring) than Bass/Lee to go with the Clips pick. It's, what, $13M less in salary?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on January 05, 2014, 08:59:00 PM


  Without reading 7 pages to see if this came up, I wonder if Houston would be more interested in Bass/Bayless(expiring) than Bass/Lee to go with the Clips pick. It's, what, $13M less in salary?

Bayless probably can't be traded on the trade deadline... that's why Houston wanted to trade Asik in mid December.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Kuberski33 on January 05, 2014, 09:00:09 PM
so if we can move bass for an expiring could we offer a max contract next year?

Say we move Bass for expiring  , and bottom out with a top 5 pick...

Sign Melo to a max deal

Now have the # 5 or higher pick to draft or trade for another big piece .

Melo is your # 1 scorerer and finisher
Sully is the # 2 option and beast in the low post
Rondo is # 3 option and sets everyone up
Green as 6th man off bench
-Bradley would fit perfectly at 2 guard, but not sure we can resign him , and still sign a max FA ?

We would be a rim protector away from a legit contender IMO
Melo or any other established 'max' caliber player isn't coming here.  Best chance is someone we'd hope will develop into that kind of talent - i.e. Hayward.

I strongly disagree with this. If the Celtics keep Rondo and this player wants to play with Rondo then why not? It's not like the weather is any worse in Boston. Plus you add in Sullinger and a top pick and this becomes a very attractive situation.

I remember when it was the said the Boston Red Sox would never attract top free agents either. People need to stop acting like coming to the Celtics is worse than going to the Bucks.
Weather's too cold and team is too far from contending.  It's very, very difficult to attract a legitimate max player to a cold weather city that isn't NY.  BTW I'm not sold on Sully.  He's had serious problems when you defend him with size.  I'm not so sure his ceiling isn't slightly above a Big Baby Davis or Bass.  I think he needs a shot blocker at the 5 to not be anything more than an average defender.  Hope Im wrong.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Tr1boy on January 05, 2014, 09:02:13 PM
Loving this trade. Bayless has that swagger the team is missing.

Better than Jcraw. People will see. 
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BballTim on January 05, 2014, 09:07:04 PM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.

  You know how it is. Any young pg that has a decent stretch of play is either better than Rondo or "soon will be".
That's not how it is.

  That's how it's been since 2008. Many of your lists of point guards better than Rondo include a list of players that "soon will be". Bayless fit the bill for many. So did Jennings. So did Conley. Also Lowry. The list is long and storied.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: ssspence on January 05, 2014, 09:09:39 PM
Loving this trade. Bayless has that swagger the team is missing.

Better than Jcraw. People will see.

you make it sound like you think the Cs did it for bball purposes.

it's a pure salary dump.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BballTim on January 05, 2014, 09:13:23 PM


  Without reading 7 pages to see if this came up, I wonder if Houston would be more interested in Bass/Bayless(expiring) than Bass/Lee to go with the Clips pick. It's, what, $13M less in salary?

Bayless probably can't be traded on the trade deadline... that's why Houston wanted to trade Asik in mid December.

  Ah, yes, the "deadline". Maybe the trade makes us more likely to trade Bass and an expiring (Crawford or Brooks) for Asik. Either way it saves Houston from having Lee on the books for the next two years, so it would sweeten the pot for them, so to speak.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Tr1boy on January 05, 2014, 09:13:43 PM
Loving this trade. Bayless has that swagger the team is missing.

Better than Jcraw. People will see.

you make it sound like you think the Cs did it for bball purposes.

it's a pure salary dump.

it's only half the equation. Ainge wanted Bayless last year

Lee while a good off the bench guy is not going to help us. Bayless can be clutch and get hot fast. Could be a starter on several teams imo

Not having a great year statistic wise, but he has torched us enough times.  Maybe as a celtic he will have a even better year
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BballTim on January 05, 2014, 09:14:53 PM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.

  You know how it is. Any young pg that has a decent stretch of play is either better than Rondo or "soon will be".
That's not how it is.

  That's how it's been since 2008. Many of your lists of point guards better than Rondo include a list of players that "soon will be". Bayless fit the bill for many. So did Jennings. So did Conley. Also Lowry. The list is long and storied.

Newsflash: This thread has nothing to do with your Rondo obsession. Pipe down.

  Learn to read. I didn't start the conversation.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 05, 2014, 09:17:34 PM
Loving this trade. Bayless has that swagger the team is missing.

Better than Jcraw. People will see.

you make it sound like you think the Cs did it for bball purposes.

it's a pure salary dump.

it's only half the equation. Ainge wanted Bayless last year

Lee while a good off the bench guy is not going to help us. Bayless can be clutch and get hot fast. Could be a starter on several teams imo

Not having a great year statistic wise, but he has torched us enough times.  Maybe as a celtic he will have a even better year

A starter as a PG or as a SG?

I kind of see him as really redundant with Crawford, which is why I ask.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: ssspence on January 05, 2014, 09:19:47 PM
Loving this trade. Bayless has that swagger the team is missing.

Better than Jcraw. People will see.

you make it sound like you think the Cs did it for bball purposes.

it's a pure salary dump.

it's only half the equation. Ainge wanted Bayless last year

Lee while a good off the bench guy is not going to help us. Bayless can be clutch and get hot fast. Could be a starter on several teams imo

Not having a great year statistic wise, but he has torched us enough times.  Maybe as a celtic he will have a even better year

If Bayless plays truly well? Maybe... maybe they care about his place in the future of the Cs.

But he's an expiring deal, and gives them some room under the lux tax right now. As a management decision, this was all about cutting Lee's remaining two plus years.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Bahku on January 05, 2014, 09:30:59 PM
Like this deal very much ... Bayless' numbers have dropped this season, but there are obvious reasons. This kid can go off, and if he finds a home here this could be very good in the long-run, too.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Moranis on January 05, 2014, 09:34:46 PM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.

  You know how it is. Any young pg that has a decent stretch of play is either better than Rondo or "soon will be".
That's not how it is.

  That's how it's been since 2008. Many of your lists of point guards better than Rondo include a list of players that "soon will be". Bayless fit the bill for many. So did Jennings. So did Conley. Also Lowry. The list is long and storied.
now you are being silly.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: chambers on January 05, 2014, 09:35:54 PM


  Without reading 7 pages to see if this came up, I wonder if Houston would be more interested in Bass/Bayless(expiring) than Bass/Lee to go with the Clips pick. It's, what, $13M less in salary?

That's a good idea but I don't think it's possible now.
But now that Lee is gone, perhaps we can move Bogans+Bass for Asik?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Tr1boy on January 05, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
If this was considered a pure salary dump, Bayless would have zero chance to be with the team next year.

I doubt that is the case. Even with Rondo, you still need to keep a backup pg. When Rondo comesback, my gut feeling tells me, Pressey is going to be waived or sent to D league.  Kid has got lots of chances to straighten out his jump shot and he either misses them or to not look bad doesn't take em.

Bayless can be a pretty good backup pg solution for the next 2-3 years. Jcraw will be traded as soon as Ainge finds a suiter for him.  A future 2nd round pick is probably all that it will take, and DA is prob hoping for a 2014 one

People will see how Bayless will affect the team. It's not that he can score but he instills confidence. He can put you on his back, especially late in the game. JCraw prob has done it one or two times (though screwed up several more). But there has been nobody else. We got a team with a bunch of nice guys or not enough confidence in their capabilities to help this team comeback or runaway from a close game
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: nickagneta on January 05, 2014, 09:43:26 PM


  Without reading 7 pages to see if this came up, I wonder if Houston would be more interested in Bass/Bayless(expiring) than Bass/Lee to go with the Clips pick. It's, what, $13M less in salary?

That's a good idea but I don't think it's possible now.
But now that Lee is gone, perhaps we can move Bogans+Bass for Asik?
My guess here is that with Bogans always being on the Celtics during the initial trade negotiations that a Bogans and Bass for Asik deal was always on the table, was discussed and rejected.

Morey is looking for players to compliment this year's team and future assets, not necessarily just salary relief. I don't think Bass fits the bill as the type of player they want to add to their team. I think they want a more athletically gifted PF like player that excels at either three point shooting, rebounding or defense of stretch 4's.

Plus Morey being the greedy, I need to dominate every trade type of GM(really like that about him) also wants a pick. So perhaps if Danny included a 2014 pick with bass and Bogans then maybe but I find that unlikely.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 05, 2014, 09:51:20 PM
Loving this trade. Bayless has that swagger the team is missing.

Better than Jcraw. People will see.

you make it sound like you think the Cs did it for bball purposes.

it's a pure salary dump.

it's only half the equation. Ainge wanted Bayless last year

Lee while a good off the bench guy is not going to help us. Bayless can be clutch and get hot fast. Could be a starter on several teams imo

Not having a great year statistic wise, but he has torched us enough times.  Maybe as a celtic he will have a even better year

If Bayless plays truly well? Maybe... maybe they care about his place in the future of the Cs.

But he's an expiring deal, and gives them some room under the lux tax right now. As a management decision, this was all about cutting Lee's remaining two plus years.

Yeah but we need a point guard who can run the offense not just look for his own shot. Win win all around.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Tr1boy on January 05, 2014, 09:53:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nJ28rjI7KI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Q2NpHwnrg

Bayless torching us. Bradley was on him like Glue in the 2nd clip, hand in his face, but he still went off.

We need him to do this for us the rest of the way. All in all a very nice trade by DA. 
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: slamtheking on January 05, 2014, 09:54:30 PM
nice salary dump.  on the odd chance Bayless shows he's worth keeping, it should be for a cheaper deal than he has now.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BballTim on January 05, 2014, 10:37:34 PM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.

  You know how it is. Any young pg that has a decent stretch of play is either better than Rondo or "soon will be".
That's not how it is.

  That's how it's been since 2008. Many of your lists of point guards better than Rondo include a list of players that "soon will be". Bayless fit the bill for many. So did Jennings. So did Conley. Also Lowry. The list is long and storied.
now you are being silly.

  Some people were, not me.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: jambr380 on January 05, 2014, 11:15:34 PM
nice salary dump.  on the odd chance Bayless shows he's worth keeping, it should be for a cheaper deal than he has now.

He's had a number of years to prove his potential and he just hasn't done it consistently. If Bayless stays on with us, it's because he was willing to sign for the vet minimum and we either traded Crawford / couldn't afford to keep him.

Definitely not a bad pick up on a salary dump. Lee will provide quality and more consistent / efficient minutes than Bayless and we get out of a contract that didn't make sense for our team.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: nickagneta on January 05, 2014, 11:45:57 PM
Short term thinking, Lee's contract had to go and to get an expiring was the best you could hope for but Danny got a quality player that just happens to be an almost exact replica of one he already has, Jordan Crawford.

Given that there have been some rumors regarding teams being interested in Crawford, could this trade be the precursor to Crawford heading out of town and Bayless just jumping right into the role Crawford hascarved out for this team and been playing for the Celtics?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: j804 on January 05, 2014, 11:49:12 PM
Short term thinking, Lee's contract had to go and to get an expiring was the best you could hope for but Danny got a quality player that just happens to be an almost exact replica of one he already has, Jordan Crawford.

Given that there have been some rumors regarding teams being interested in Crawford, could this trade be the precursor to Crawford heading out of town and Bayless just jumping right into the role Crawford hascarved out for this team and been playing for the Celtics?
I think so and if nothing happens this guarantees a top pick. Rejoice tankers it'll be the Bogans and Jared Bayless show.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Chief Macho on January 06, 2014, 12:08:26 AM
Being a Arizona alum,  I'll never understand why Bayless hasn't had a better pro career.  Kid was a monster as a freshman and compared to some of our best prospects ever.  Just never has lived up to the potential.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LEHGOCELTICS on January 06, 2014, 12:24:38 AM
Thanks for your services Courtney. Although it didn't really work out, I still appreciate what you did for this organization.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 06, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
So this was a straight up swap?
Did we use the trade exception and did they use there's  bc I thought salaries didn't match...

To be clear no other pieces were involved? Picks or salary fillers?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Kane3387 on January 06, 2014, 12:53:44 AM
Short term thinking, Lee's contract had to go and to get an expiring was the best you could hope for but Danny got a quality player that just happens to be an almost exact replica of one he already has, Jordan Crawford.

Given that there have been some rumors regarding teams being interested in Crawford, could this trade be the precursor to Crawford heading out of town and Bayless just jumping right into the role Crawford hascarved out for this team and been playing for the Celtics?

Bayless could still be moved on his own. His salary is very tradeable.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Yoki_IsTheName on January 06, 2014, 01:28:50 AM
Thank you C-Lee for the services.

I still dont get the trade. I like Jerryd Bayless as a player, but with Crawford on the helm, its probably redundant to have another scoring PG.

Did we save money on this trade? Or is J-Craw the next to go?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Snakehead on January 06, 2014, 01:30:37 AM
Thank you C-Lee for the services.

I still dont get the trade. I like Jerryd Bayless as a player, but with Crawford on the helm, its probably redundant to have another scoring PG.

Did we save money on this trade? Or is J-Craw the next to go?

We just saved money.  Bayless can be gone after this year and Courtney Lee had two years after this season at more money.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Moranis on January 06, 2014, 08:28:18 AM
So this was a straight up swap?
Did we use the trade exception and did they use there's  bc I thought salaries didn't match...

To be clear no other pieces were involved? Picks or salary fillers?
Memphis needs to send out more salary, probably someone like Mike Miller.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Moranis on January 06, 2014, 08:29:47 AM
BTW, howmany of the CB old timers remember the trade Rondo for Bayless threads years ago and how people scoffed at how Portland would never trade a talent like Bayless who could shoot and score for someone like Rondo.

  You know how it is. Any young pg that has a decent stretch of play is either better than Rondo or "soon will be".
That's not how it is.

  That's how it's been since 2008. Many of your lists of point guards better than Rondo include a list of players that "soon will be". Bayless fit the bill for many. So did Jennings. So did Conley. Also Lowry. The list is long and storied.
now you are being silly.

  Some people were, not me.
I just think you are misremembering things.  Just because people included Rondo in trades for those people and maybe even said things like those players were better fits with the current team, certainly doesn't mean people thought those players were better than Rondo.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Roy H. on January 06, 2014, 08:31:21 AM
So this was a straight up swap?
Did we use the trade exception and did they use there's  bc I thought salaries didn't match...

To be clear no other pieces were involved? Picks or salary fillers?
Memphis needs to send out more salary, probably someone like Mike Miller.

Memphis absorbed Lee's deal using their exception from the Rudy Gay trade.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: 2short on January 06, 2014, 09:01:04 AM
Thank you C-Lee for the services.

I still dont get the trade. I like Jerryd Bayless as a player, but with Crawford on the helm, its probably redundant to have another scoring PG.

Did we save money on this trade? Or is J-Craw the next to go?
i'd like to move crawford now, he could go to a team looking for scoring combo guard off bench
bay less starting pg, backup pressey
sg bradley, bogans

return of rondo, keeps his minutes in check, bayless is 1st guard off bench
still more trades to come
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 06, 2014, 09:04:55 AM
So this was a straight up swap?
Did we use the trade exception and did they use there's  bc I thought salaries didn't match...

To be clear no other pieces were involved? Picks or salary fillers?
Memphis needs to send out more salary, probably someone like Mike Miller.

Memphis absorbed Lee's deal using their exception from the Rudy Gay trade.
Has it been confirmed that's whats happening? I haven't seen a "final" construction of the trade. Just that its happening.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 06, 2014, 09:06:52 AM
Loving this trade. Bayless has that swagger the team is missing.

Better than Jcraw. People will see.
Oh man, Bayless and Crawford on this team as PGs?

Having one chucker is bad enough at the position, now two?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: the_Bird on January 06, 2014, 09:07:55 AM
I always liked Courtney Lee; I know he struggled a bit last year, but Doc seemed to have him on a much shorter leash than everyone else, he never really had a chance to play his way out of it.  In the end, though, he was overpaid for the role he was being asked to play here, and he wasn't happpy; better to cut ties now, save some money down the road. 

Does the shedding of his future salary give us some leeway to use our own trade exemption next summer?

In terms of this year's performance:

A. It doesn't really matter; this team isn't very good, regardless

B. AB's a better all-around player and deserves the lion's share of the off-guard minutes.  Bogans can pick up a few minutes, it's a downgrade from Lee but Bogans should be OK in that role.

C. Probably increased the liklihood of resigning AB, on a tangential note.

D. Bayless, we'll see.  Probably a better backup PG option than Pressy, and it gives another option for backup PG that Jordan Crawford.  Crawford can fill in some of Lee's SG minutes, too.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 06, 2014, 09:10:45 AM
I always liked Courtney Lee; I know he struggled a bit last year, but Doc seemed to have him on a much shorter leash than everyone else, he never really had a chance to play his way out of it.  In the end, though, he was overpaid for the role he was being asked to play here, and he wasn't happpy; better to cut ties now, save some money down the road. 

Does the shedding of his future salary give us some leeway to use our own trade exemption next summer?

In terms of this year's performance:

A. It doesn't really matter; this team isn't very good, regardless

B. AB's a better all-around player and deserves the lion's share of the off-guard minutes.  Bogans can pick up a few minutes, it's a downgrade from Lee but Bogans should be OK in that role.

C. Probably increased the liklihood of resigning AB, on a tangential note.

D. Bayless, we'll see.  Probably a better backup PG option than Pressy, and it gives another option for backup PG that Jordan Crawford.  Crawford can fill in some of Lee's SG minutes, too.
We were only slightly (100k ish) range under the luxury tax. This cuts another 2.1 million off our salary figure, which leaves us with 6 million or so space under the apron.

But I don't see us using the TPE in a way that would make us tax payers. Not unless we're getting an all-star in return somehow.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: KGs Knee on January 06, 2014, 09:11:26 AM
I really like this trade.  I think it not only makes us a better team this season, but gives us flexibility to move Crawford for an asset (probably small), and most importantly, cuts salary from the books.

If only the price for dumping Wallace on someone wasn't likely to be so [dang] high.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 06, 2014, 09:15:48 AM
I really like this trade.  I think it not only makes us a better team this season, but gives us flexibility to move Crawford for an asset (probably small), and most importantly, cuts salary from the books.

If only the price for dumping Wallace on someone wasn't likely to be so [dang] high.
How does it make us a better team this year?

Lee's been great in his role, Bayless has been playing poorly for the Grizzlies.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Snakehead on January 06, 2014, 09:23:02 AM
Bayless can score certainly but has never shown the passing ability Crawford has that makes him able to step in and play some PG.

But we could use a player who can create their own shot.  I know that scares people but it has sunk us in the past and is something we often miss.

But yes, trust me I don't view this as a move made to make a playoff run.  But if our team is better I won't be surprised.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 06, 2014, 09:23:50 AM
Bayless can score certainly but has never shown the passing ability Crawford has that makes him able to step in and play some PG.

But we could use a player who can create their own shot.  I know that scares people but it has sunk us in the past and is something we often miss.
Right but Bayless has been creating a whole lot of bricks this year.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Snakehead on January 06, 2014, 09:25:31 AM
Bayless can score certainly but has never shown the passing ability Crawford has that makes him able to step in and play some PG.

But we could use a player who can create their own shot.  I know that scares people but it has sunk us in the past and is something we often miss.
Right but Bayless has been creating a whole lot of bricks this year.

I believe the O'Connor piece mentioned how bad he's been shooting... and that maybe we can hope he is hot here and drives it back up to his average  ;D

We will have to see.  But yeah his numbers so far, not too hot.

But that's the appealing thing for Crawford now.  The other day he shot terribly from the field (like 1 for 10) but had 9 assists.  I just don't see Bayless doing that really. 

Part of what makes Crawford a better piece now than some are saying by so directly comparing the two players.  Isn't just a chucker.  Also has some nice size.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: crimson_stallion on January 06, 2014, 09:31:59 AM
I like the deal.  I really don't like Crawford much in the starting PG role, even if it's just temporarilly. 

Yes I know he's shown some talent as a passer, but it really seems like for every 15 point, 10 assist game he has there is a 6 point, 4 turnover, 3-18 shooting night that follows.

He's still lost us a number of games with his occasionally horrible decision making.

Getting rid off Lee is an important salary cut that had to be done.  Crawford is one of the few assets with value here, and one of the few that can actually get us some worthwhile return back.  Bayless pretty much replaces what Crawford offers, meaning we can basically trade Crawford out (and get value in return) yet more or less still have a Crawford-like player here.

Basically it lets us have our cake and eat it too.

Bayless is also on a smaller contract than Crawford.

Like it.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on January 06, 2014, 09:32:39 AM
I really like this trade.  I think it not only makes us a better team this season, but gives us flexibility to move Crawford for an asset (probably small), and most importantly, cuts salary from the books.

If only the price for dumping Wallace on someone wasn't likely to be so [dang] high.
How does it make us a better team this year?

Lee's been great in his role, Bayless has been playing poorly for the Grizzlies.

Fills a void. Allow me to explain with zero science and all the bias in the world.

Right now our PG lineup is:

J-Craw, Phil Pressey (5-10 mins)



Note how I did not include J-Craw's minutes.

This is because the J-Craw we need shows up 6.5 - 8.5 out of every 10 games. So here's a breakdown.


When good J-Craw is with the team, our PG lineup becomes:

PG J-Craw (love you Craw!) (25-35 mins), Phil Pressey (5-10 mins)

When putrid J-Craw shows up, our PG lineup is:

Chucker Craw (omg kill me), "Point Guard Avery Bradley" (FML) (5-10 mins), Phil Pressey (5-10 mins)

The omission of J-Craw's minutes, for the second time, is not a mistake. Chucker Craw could be a point guard, but he also could be a streetballer-ballstopper ala Marshon Brooks.



With Bayless, we could potentially have a point guard more often than not, every game!

Put Bayless on the floor with J-Craw? It's a numbers game. The chance that one out of the two decides not to chuck and actually run the team is far greater than if we only put one of them on the floor.

If we're lucky, we might even have a point guard for 40 minutes...hell 48 minutes!

The worst that could happen is we'll never ever see Avery Bradley "play point guard" ever again. *shudders*
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Snakehead on January 06, 2014, 09:36:17 AM


Put Bayless on the floor with J-Craw? It's a numbers game. The chance that one out of the two decides not to chuck and actually run the team is far greater than if we only put one of them on the floor.

If we're lucky, we might even have a point guard for 40 minutes...hell 48 minutes!

The worst that could happen is we'll never ever see Avery Bradley "play point guard" ever again. *shudders*

If you're saying something like this just realize he is at in the same level of a passer as Crawford is.  That's the whole thing that makes Crawford appealing moving into a PG role, even as a gunner.  As I said, the other day had a 9 assists game even when he wasn't hot.  I don't think you'll get that from Bayless.  He can be a PG on your line up sheet, but he isn't a passer.  Know that going in.

He will be able to play PG mins but I just don't think it's going to be the same.  If he isn't hot he will give you nothing.

And that is what it is.  He will very possibly be better for us than Lee anyways (as I say above, we could use some gunners to force the issue and create shots).
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 06, 2014, 09:38:11 AM
I don't think replacing one of our SGs with a smaller player who shoots worse is going to make our offense better.

He's been playing mostly SG for about two years now and hasn't been much of a playmaker for Memphis. Plus defensively he's a downgrade from Lee.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Endless Paradise on January 06, 2014, 09:50:11 AM
The team's not upgraded at all, but that's not the concern - cap space this summer is.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: ssspence on January 06, 2014, 10:13:58 AM
So this was a straight up swap?
Did we use the trade exception and did they use there's  bc I thought salaries didn't match...

To be clear no other pieces were involved? Picks or salary fillers?
Memphis needs to send out more salary, probably someone like Mike Miller.

Memphis absorbed Lee's deal using their exception from the Rudy Gay trade.
Has it been confirmed that's whats happening? I haven't seen a "final" construction of the trade. Just that its happening.

And if I understand it correctly, Boston basically trades Lee to Memphis first in exchanges for the matching piece of their trade exception ($5.whatever mil), then Memphis does the same from Boston? Essentially, two separate trades for the respective exceptions, and Boston loses $3.135mil of the PP trade exception....
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 06, 2014, 10:33:15 AM
So this was a straight up swap?
Did we use the trade exception and did they use there's  bc I thought salaries didn't match...

To be clear no other pieces were involved? Picks or salary fillers?
Memphis needs to send out more salary, probably someone like Mike Miller.

Memphis absorbed Lee's deal using their exception from the Rudy Gay trade.
Has it been confirmed that's whats happening? I haven't seen a "final" construction of the trade. Just that its happening.

And if I understand it correctly, Boston basically trades Lee to Memphis first in exchanges for the matching piece of their trade exception ($5.whatever mil), then Memphis does the same from Boston? Essentially, two separate trades for the respective exceptions, and Boston loses $3.135mil of the PP trade exception....
No Boston doesn't have to use our trade exception. You can always send out more salary than you take back.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LooseCannon on January 06, 2014, 10:49:42 AM
So this was a straight up swap?
Did we use the trade exception and did they use there's  bc I thought salaries didn't match...

To be clear no other pieces were involved? Picks or salary fillers?
Memphis needs to send out more salary, probably someone like Mike Miller.

Memphis absorbed Lee's deal using their exception from the Rudy Gay trade.
Has it been confirmed that's whats happening? I haven't seen a "final" construction of the trade. Just that its happening.

And if I understand it correctly, Boston basically trades Lee to Memphis first in exchanges for the matching piece of their trade exception ($5.whatever mil), then Memphis does the same from Boston? Essentially, two separate trades for the respective exceptions, and Boston loses $3.135mil of the PP trade exception....

You misunderstand.  The transaction doesn't have to be structured the same way from the teams' different points of views.  For Boston, it would be a straight-up deal of Lee for Bayless, while for Memphis it should be two separate trades of Bayless for nothing and nothing for Lee using the trade exception.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on January 06, 2014, 10:53:57 AM
That'll make for some confusing paperwork, no?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 06, 2014, 10:54:20 AM
I don't think replacing one of our SGs with a smaller player who shoots worse is going to make our offense better.

He's been playing mostly SG for about two years now and hasn't been much of a playmaker for Memphis. Plus defensively he's a downgrade from Lee.
He's averaged about 5 ap36 with Memphis. He's been a playmaker just fine (more last year than this year), he's just not getting too much playing time.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 06, 2014, 10:58:00 AM
I don't think replacing one of our SGs with a smaller player who shoots worse is going to make our offense better.

He's been playing mostly SG for about two years now and hasn't been much of a playmaker for Memphis. Plus defensively he's a downgrade from Lee.
He's averaged about 5 ap36 with Memphis. He's been a playmaker just fine (more last year than this year), he's just not getting too much playing time.
His AST% is low this year (near bottom of all PGs), and his assists per 36 are at 3.7.

He was better last year at 5.6 and a better AST% but they've moved him to SG almost full time. Not a great sign of his ability to run and offense and make plays.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 06, 2014, 11:03:46 AM
I don't think replacing one of our SGs with a smaller player who shoots worse is going to make our offense better.

He's been playing mostly SG for about two years now and hasn't been much of a playmaker for Memphis. Plus defensively he's a downgrade from Lee.
He's averaged about 5 ap36 with Memphis. He's been a playmaker just fine (more last year than this year), he's just not getting too much playing time.
His AST% is low this year (near bottom of all PGs), and his assists per 36 are at 3.7.

He was better last year at 5.6 and a better AST% but they've moved him to SG almost full time. Not a great sign of his ability to run and offense and make plays.
Sounds to me like they simply had a need for a SG off the bench, and that move didn't work out -- hence they swapped him for Lee. He should be fine as a backup PG.

edit: Although this hypothesis also seems weird, since I'm not sure who else is handling backup PG duties in Memphis. Mike Miller and Tony Allen don't seem fit for the part.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 06, 2014, 11:05:18 AM
That'll make for some confusing paperwork, no?
That's why they've got people who cover it for a living.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: henr1k on January 06, 2014, 11:12:52 AM
Well, it seems Grizzlies will also get 2016 2nd round pick from C's. Herrington is covering Grizzlies fwiw

https://twitter.com/HerringtonNBA/status/420038060965773312
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 06, 2014, 11:14:28 AM
Well, it seems Grizzlies will also get 2016 2nd round pick from C's. Herrington is covering Grizzlies fwiw

https://twitter.com/HerringtonNBA/status/420038060965773312

TP for the tweet, I've been waiting for the official deal all day.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Snakehead on January 06, 2014, 11:22:12 AM
I don't think replacing one of our SGs with a smaller player who shoots worse is going to make our offense better.

He's been playing mostly SG for about two years now and hasn't been much of a playmaker for Memphis. Plus defensively he's a downgrade from Lee.
He's averaged about 5 ap36 with Memphis. He's been a playmaker just fine (more last year than this year), he's just not getting too much playing time.
His AST% is low this year (near bottom of all PGs), and his assists per 36 are at 3.7.

He was better last year at 5.6 and a better AST% but they've moved him to SG almost full time. Not a great sign of his ability to run and offense and make plays.
Sounds to me like they simply had a need for a SG off the bench, and that move didn't work out -- hence they swapped him for Lee. He should be fine as a backup PG.

edit: Although this hypothesis also seems weird, since I'm not sure who else is handling backup PG duties in Memphis. Mike Miller and Tony Allen don't seem fit for the part.

He has put up some assist numbers but I don't see him as a passer at all.  Like I said before, he can give you some PG minutes (and is fit to defend the position) but I don't see him on the level of Crawford passing wise.

I still am okay with a guy who can score for himself anyways, we could probably use that.  I just hope he shoots better here.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Endless Paradise on January 06, 2014, 11:26:46 AM
The Grizzlies are reportedly bringing back Seth Curry now that players can be signed to 10-day contracts, so I guess that takes care of the backup PG situation for now.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Chief on January 06, 2014, 11:51:55 AM
I don't think replacing one of our SGs with a smaller player who shoots worse is going to make our offense better.

He's been playing mostly SG for about two years now and hasn't been much of a playmaker for Memphis. Plus defensively he's a downgrade from Lee.
He's averaged about 5 ap36 with Memphis. He's been a playmaker just fine (more last year than this year), he's just not getting too much playing time.

Living in TN, I've watched quite a few games, and he plays 2 guard most the time.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: aingeforthree on January 06, 2014, 11:56:55 AM
I don't know how Ainge does it. How in the hells bells do you land an expiring for a Lee type contract ?

It's almost impossible. It's simply amazing. He's opening this roster up which is going to allow for some great future additions. Helluva move here.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Monkhouse on January 06, 2014, 11:59:05 AM
I don't know how Ainge does it. How in the hells bells do you land an expiring for a Lee type contract ?

It's almost impossible. It's simply amazing. He's opening this roster up which is going to allow for some great future additions. Helluva move here.

By giving false hope to a franchise that is desperately hoping to have similar success as last year, and a 2nd round pick.

I'm hoping the Grizzlies blow it up, and trade us Gasol if they don't get close to the playoffs.

Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Endless Paradise on January 06, 2014, 12:05:59 PM
I don't know how Ainge does it. How in the hells bells do you land an expiring for a Lee type contract ?

It's almost impossible. It's simply amazing. He's opening this roster up which is going to allow for some great future additions. Helluva move here.

By giving false hope to a franchise that is desperately hoping to have similar success as last year, and a 2nd round pick.

I'm hoping the Grizzlies blow it up, and trade us Gasol if they don't get close to the playoffs.

They'll certainly trade Z-Bo before Gasol.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: the_Bird on January 06, 2014, 12:18:28 PM
I don't know how Ainge does it. How in the hells bells do you land an expiring for a Lee type contract ?

It's almost impossible. It's simply amazing. He's opening this roster up which is going to allow for some great future additions. Helluva move here.

What's so amazing about it?  Lee's a good player who is *slightly* overpaid relative to his worth.  He's having a great season.  Memphis needs a backup SG.  And, they're picking up a draft pick which - if we're still slogging along in a couple years, could well be in the 35-40 range. 

I like the trade, but let's not go overboard; it's the kind of return I'd expect for Courtney Lee (and Brandon Bass, ultimately).
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: slamtheking on January 06, 2014, 12:21:21 PM
I don't know how Ainge does it. How in the hells bells do you land an expiring for a Lee type contract ?

It's almost impossible. It's simply amazing. He's opening this roster up which is going to allow for some great future additions. Helluva move here.

What's so amazing about it?  Lee's a good player who is *slightly* overpaid relative to his worth.  He's having a great season.  Memphis needs a backup SG.  And, they're picking up a draft pick which - if we're still slogging along in a couple years, could well be in the 35-40 range. 

I like the trade, but let's not go overboard; it's the kind of return I'd expect for Courtney Lee (and Brandon Bass, ultimately).
agreed.  This was a solid deal for both teams.  Lee, when he plays like he has this season, is worth his deal and would be a great role player for a team like Memphis.  His situation is good for Memphis in that he's cost controlled for another 2 years when they should have all their horses completely healthy for title runs. 
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: aingeforthree on January 06, 2014, 12:34:05 PM
I don't know how Ainge does it. How in the hells bells do you land an expiring for a Lee type contract ?

It's almost impossible. It's simply amazing. He's opening this roster up which is going to allow for some great future additions. Helluva move here.

What's so amazing about it?  Lee's a good player who is *slightly* overpaid relative to his worth.  He's having a great season.  Memphis needs a backup SG.  And, they're picking up a draft pick which - if we're still slogging along in a couple years, could well be in the 35-40 range. 

I like the trade, but let's not go overboard; it's the kind of return I'd expect for Courtney Lee (and Brandon Bass, ultimately).

You just turned an overpaid contract into an expiring contract.

Go overboard.

It's not everyday you can pull that off.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: VitorSullyandKOFan on January 06, 2014, 08:31:27 PM
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Buzz in Reno here at D-League Showcase is that Courtney Lee-for-Jerryd Bayless trade expanding to include third team: Oklahoma City

Stein

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Word is that OKC's Ryan Gomes will be added to trade to and goes to Boston ... with Celtics then expected to waive Gomes

Stein

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Thunder involvement in this manner would create some extra luxury-tax wiggle room for OKC ... presumably to set them up for another trade

Stein.

Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Vermont Green on January 06, 2014, 08:41:44 PM
Stein's quotes about including Gomes don't make any sense to me.  I must be missing something,
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: hpantazo on January 06, 2014, 08:48:55 PM
Stein's quotes about including Gomes don't make any sense to me.  I must be missing something,

Yea, why should either Boston or Memphis help OKC cut salary without getting something out of it? What do the thunder take back in return?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 06, 2014, 08:49:52 PM
Stein's quotes about including Gomes don't make any sense to me.  I must be missing something,

Salary move. Gomes will not even put on a jersey for Boston before he gets cut.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 06, 2014, 08:58:41 PM
How does the Gomes thing help Boston...more salary dump?..... ???
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Roy H. on January 06, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
Stein's quotes about including Gomes don't make any sense to me.  I must be missing something,

Salary move. Gomes will not even put on a jersey for Boston before he gets cut.

Why immediately cut him, if we've got an open roster spot?  Just as a courtesy to him and his agent, to maybe latch on to another team?

If OKC is involved, they must be sending a 2nd rounder to one of the two teams.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Moranis on January 06, 2014, 09:05:14 PM
Stein's quotes about including Gomes don't make any sense to me.  I must be missing something,

Salary move. Gomes will not even put on a jersey for Boston before he gets cut.

Why immediately cut him, if we've got an open roster spot?  Just as a courtesy to him and his agent, to maybe latch on to another team?

If OKC is involved, they must be sending a 2nd rounder to one of the two teams.
I would imagine they are sending the second rounder to Memphis and Boston keeps its pick.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 06, 2014, 09:06:51 PM
i know nothing about the details of the gomes aspect of this trade, so let me give my opinion.  ;D

perhaps ainge is doing a bit of a favor for OKC, one that costs the celtics nothing but creates some good will that someday may be repaid.

worst case is the celtics get gomes. fine.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on January 06, 2014, 09:15:54 PM
Stein's quotes about including Gomes don't make any sense to me.  I must be missing something,

Salary move. Gomes will not even put on a jersey for Boston before he gets cut.

Why immediately cut him, if we've got an open roster spot?  Just as a courtesy to him and his agent, to maybe latch on to another team?

If OKC is involved, they must be sending a 2nd rounder to one of the two teams.

Yeah, that was my thinking. No need for Gomes to sit on our bench. At least give him an opportunity to sign with somebody else.

I'd rather use that roster spot on a 10-day D League guy.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Tr1boy on January 06, 2014, 09:41:55 PM
This is the NBA and all about business not charity

OKC likely to give up a 2016 2nd or something to memphis. Which is almost as good as signing an undrafted player

Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on January 06, 2014, 10:06:23 PM
When he was on the Celtics---Gomes was the guy who publicly stated that the C's were Losing games ON PURPOSE, for the Draft---we don't need him around--!
 ;)
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 06, 2014, 10:12:20 PM
When he was on the Celtics---Gomes was the guy who publicly stated that the C's were Losing games ON PURPOSE, for the Draft---we don't need him around--!
 ;)


Oh Great ...just what we need .....a rat .....

I hate him already
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BballTim on January 06, 2014, 10:18:35 PM
When he was on the Celtics---Gomes was the guy who publicly stated that the C's were Losing games ON PURPOSE, for the Draft---we don't need him around--!
 ;)

  Losing games on purpose by not playing him more, take that for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: csfansince60s on January 06, 2014, 10:19:17 PM
Stein's quotes about including Gomes don't make any sense to me.  I must be missing something,

Salary move. Gomes will not even put on a jersey for Boston before he gets cut.

Why immediately cut him, if we've got an open roster spot?  Just as a courtesy to him and his agent, to maybe latch on to another team?

If OKC is involved, they must be sending a 2nd rounder to one of the two teams.

If we're doing them the favor by freeing up space for them by taking Gomes, one would think so, for sure .

Guess not though:

https://twitter.com/intent/user?original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fbasketball.realgm.com%2Fnba%2Fteams%2FBoston-Celtics%2F2%2FHome&screen_name=Murf56&tw_i=420391512938008578&tw_p=embeddedtimeline&tw_w=349949388812070912

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Source confirms ESPN report that OKC's Ryan Gomes has now been included in Jerryd Bayless deal. Along with Lee, Celts give up 2016 2nd pick.
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Why are we giving up the pick?.

Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 06, 2014, 10:22:30 PM
Is this guy worth a second pic?....... ???

I'm lost on this move  ???
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 06, 2014, 10:24:09 PM
Was wondering why this was taking so long.

Celtics may still be giving up a pick, but I have to believe that they are getting one from OKC for taking on Gomes. There's no reason to include him in the deal otherwise.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Smitty77 on January 06, 2014, 10:25:55 PM
I agree.  This makes NO sense.  Why in the world would OKC NOT have to give up something like a future 2nd rounder to us at least?????????????????

Murphy better be incorrect on this!!!!  Why are we doing the Thunder ANY favors after they knowingly sent us damaged goods in Green??????????????????????

Smitty77
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 06, 2014, 10:27:11 PM
Why we pay them to take they junk.......they  bring us junk.......always. jUNK. ...
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Mazingerz on January 06, 2014, 10:42:09 PM
Why we pay them to take they junk.......they  bring us junk.......always. jUNK. ...

Gomes can be waived . . Saw this on celticslife
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 06, 2014, 10:43:18 PM
Maybe not to use any of the trade exception from the Nets  ???   
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Celts17Pride on January 06, 2014, 10:44:50 PM
Maybe not to use any of the trade exception from the Nets  ???
I believe this is correct.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: TheFlex on January 06, 2014, 10:49:48 PM
Don't get the uproar over the Gomes inclusion. We're giving up a second rounder that will probably be so low in 2016 we could just buy it back if we really wanted to. Besides, with all of our picks (9 first rounders over the next five years), what place do second rounders really have on an already overcrowded Celtics team?

Our motivation is clear: Gomes is an expiring deal and he makes a little over a mil. We can keep as salary filler in a trade Danny may have in mind. We can flat out waive him right now to be very comfortably under the tax line, or we can just let him expire in the offseason. This contract is far from cumbersome for us: we do the Thunder a favor (GMs do this all the time to earn brownie points with each other), it does little to hurt our improving cap situation, and it may even help facilitate a trade for us in the future.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 06, 2014, 10:50:52 PM
Maybe not to use any of the trade exception from the Nets  ???
I believe this is correct.

No, that's not an issue. There would be no need for the Celtics to use any part of that TE to get a deal done. Memphis needs to use a TE to take Lee's salary, but Boston can take back less salary with no complications.

Boston has to be getting something in the deal if they are taking on Gomes, just to waive him. Could be cash, could be another 2nd.

Quote
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2h

To recap: Celts get Bayless and Gomes and likely waive Gomes. Grizz get Courtney Lee. Some second-rounders likely involved to tie it all up

My guess: Boston sends out a 2nd to Memphis, but gets one back from OKC.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Smitty77 on January 06, 2014, 10:56:35 PM
Maybe not to use any of the trade exception from the Nets  ???
I believe this is correct.

No, that's not an issue. There would be no need for the Celtics to use any part of that TE to get a deal done. Memphis needs to use a TE to take Lee's salary, but Boston can take back less salary with no complications.

Boston has to be getting something in the deal if they are taking on Gomes, just to waive him. Could be cash, could be another 2nd.

Quote
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2h

To recap: Celts get Bayless and Gomes and likely waive Gomes. Grizz get Courtney Lee. Some second-rounders likely involved to tie it all up

My guess: Boston sends out a 2nd to Memphis, but gets one back from OKC.

I would totally agree and hope this to be true Lucky17!!\

Smitty77
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Roy H. on January 06, 2014, 10:58:43 PM
Quote
As part of the Lee-Bayless deal, Boston will send a future second round pick to Memphis. OKC gets a protected 2nd rounder in '17

OKC must be sending the Celtics cash. 

That 2017 #2 is probably top-55 protected or something of that nature (similar to the deals we made with Sacramento when we paid them to take Cassell's and POB's contracts, where they traded us #2s that we'll never see.)
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Tr1boy on January 06, 2014, 11:06:39 PM
can bayless play tomorrow?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Smitty77 on January 06, 2014, 11:08:52 PM
Can Rondo play tomorrow??:-)))))))))))
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 06, 2014, 11:17:06 PM
Quote
As part of the Lee-Bayless deal, Boston will send a future second round pick to Memphis. OKC gets a protected 2nd rounder in '17

OKC must be sending the Celtics cash. 

That 2017 #2 is probably top-55 protected or something of that nature (similar to the deals we made with Sacramento when we paid them to take Cassell's and POB's contracts, where they traded us #2s that we'll never see.)

A little disappointing/anticlimactic if Mannix is right.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 06, 2014, 11:43:18 PM
If it is a 2017 2nd to OKC, I think it's Memphis'; Boston's is already conditionally owed to Brooklyn.

Quote
2017 second round draft pick to Brooklyn
If Boston exercises its right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Brooklyn's 2017 1st round pick, then Boston will convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Brooklyn protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Boston's obligation to Brooklyn will be extinguished) [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]; this potential pick conveyance is the same as the one described in "2017 first round draft pick from Brooklyn" on Boston Credits

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Roy H. on January 06, 2014, 11:49:29 PM
If it is a 2017 2nd to OKC, I think it's Memphis'; Boston's is already conditionally owed to Brooklyn.

Quote
2017 second round draft pick to Brooklyn
If Boston exercises its right to swap its 2017 1st round pick for Brooklyn's 2017 1st round pick, then Boston will convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Brooklyn protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Boston's obligation to Brooklyn will be extinguished) [Boston-Brooklyn, 7/12/2013]; this potential pick conveyance is the same as the one described in "2017 first round draft pick from Brooklyn" on Boston Credits

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

My guess is that it's the heavily protected 2017 pick from Sacramento.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 06, 2014, 11:52:24 PM
Ah, right.

I'm OK with that, if so. Wyc's opened his checkbook a few times in the last several years; he's earned the right to make some of that money back.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 07, 2014, 07:40:18 AM
Quote from: WEEI
Gomes’ involvement in the deal appears to be a salary dump by Oklahoma City to help facilitate the trade and create a small amount of cap space, Stein reported. The Celtics are expected to waive the former Providence College star before the remainder of his $884,293 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday.
I'm confused with the whole Gomes situation. If he is non-guaranteed and can be waived today, how exactly is that saving OKC money? Can't they just waive him themselves?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Roy H. on January 07, 2014, 07:46:03 AM
Quote from: WEEI
Gomes’ involvement in the deal appears to be a salary dump by Oklahoma City to help facilitate the trade and create a small amount of cap space, Stein reported. The Celtics are expected to waive the former Providence College star before the remainder of his $884,293 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday.
I'm confused with the whole Gomes situation. If he is non-guaranteed and can be waived today, how exactly is that saving OKC money? Can't they just waive him themselves?

They would have saved whatever future salary he was owed.  However, the amount they had already paid him (say, $400k) would have counted toward OKC's cap and luxury tax.  Now, it counts against ours.  OKC probably sent some money along to compensate us.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: snowball on January 07, 2014, 08:05:27 AM
good trade. Bayless is a scorer.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: vwoodruff on January 07, 2014, 08:54:37 AM
It seems strange that the trade hasn't been finalized yet. I wonder whether Danny is checking in with Houston to see if they can make this a 4-team deal that finally nets Asik. It seems that the inclusion of Gomes could do just that:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=meqjy3v

Boston sends:

Boston receives:

Houston sends:

Houston receives:

Memphis sends:

Memphis receives:

OKC sends:

OKC sends:

This gives Houston the opportunity to move Asik without taking on the salary commitment to Lee/Bogans, while allowing the Cs to retain the expiring deals of Bogans, Crawford, and Humphries for other potential moves. This also keeps the Cs under the luxury tax.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: pearljammer10 on January 07, 2014, 10:06:24 AM
It seems strange that the trade hasn't been finalized yet. I wonder whether Danny is checking in with Houston to see if they can make this a 4-team deal that finally nets Asik. It seems that the inclusion of Gomes could do just that:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=meqjy3v

Boston sends:
  • Bass to HOU
  • Lee to MEM
  • 2015 #1 from LAC to HOU

Boston receives:
  • Bayless from MEM
  • Asik from HOU

Houston sends:
  • Asik to BOS

Houston receives:
  • Bass from BOS
  • Franklin from MEM
  • Gomes from OKC
  • 2015 #1 from LAC via BOS

Memphis sends:
  • Bayless to BOS
  • Jamaal Franklin to HOU

Memphis receives:
  • Lee from BOS

OKC sends:
  • Gomes to HOU

OKC sends:
  • future considerations (SAC 2nd via BOS)

This gives Houston the opportunity to move Asik without taking on the salary commitment to Lee/Bogans, while allowing the Cs to retain the expiring deals of Bogans, Crawford, and Humphries for other potential moves. This also keeps the Cs under the luxury tax.

If Lee Bass and a first for Asik couldnt get it done I dont see how Bass and a first would. I feel that Bogans expiring would have to at least be included to be somewhat sppealing for Houston to make the deal. I think Houston can find a team that would give a much better return than Bass and a first.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 07, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
Quote from: WEEI
Gomes’ involvement in the deal appears to be a salary dump by Oklahoma City to help facilitate the trade and create a small amount of cap space, Stein reported. The Celtics are expected to waive the former Providence College star before the remainder of his $884,293 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday.
I'm confused with the whole Gomes situation. If he is non-guaranteed and can be waived today, how exactly is that saving OKC money? Can't they just waive him themselves?

They would have saved whatever future salary he was owed.  However, the amount they had already paid him (say, $400k) would have counted toward OKC's cap and luxury tax.  Now, it counts against ours.  OKC probably sent some money along to compensate us.

thanks roy for clearing that up. i had the same question as kozy on this.

on a related question, is the reason the celtics are including gomes in this deal to make salaries match? or, is it doing a "favor" to OKC, which may pay off down the line? or both? or neither?  :)
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Evantime34 on January 07, 2014, 10:55:31 AM
I don't understand why this trade hasn't been announced yet
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Fafnir on January 07, 2014, 10:57:31 AM
I don't understand why this trade hasn't been announced yet
Issues with the OKC three-way complicated addition probably scuttled the trade call yesterday afternoon.

I'd assume they've scheduled a trade call for today, until the trade call nothing is official.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: sed522002 on January 07, 2014, 11:21:50 AM
I don't understand why this trade hasn't been announced yet
Issues with the OKC three-way complicated addition probably scuttled the trade call yesterday afternoon.

I'd assume they've scheduled a trade call for today, until the trade call nothing is official.

Just announced it and he'll wear #11.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/press_release/celtics-acquire-jerryd-bayless

Marc D'Amico ‏@Marc_DAmico 3m
The Celtics' latest acquisition, point guard @jerrydbayless, will wear No. 11 with the Celtics.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Snakehead on January 07, 2014, 11:31:28 AM
And we seem to have officially cut Gomes.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Endless Paradise on January 07, 2014, 11:33:47 AM
Quote from: WEEI
Gomes’ involvement in the deal appears to be a salary dump by Oklahoma City to help facilitate the trade and create a small amount of cap space, Stein reported. The Celtics are expected to waive the former Providence College star before the remainder of his $884,293 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday.
I'm confused with the whole Gomes situation. If he is non-guaranteed and can be waived today, how exactly is that saving OKC money? Can't they just waive him themselves?

They would have saved whatever future salary he was owed.  However, the amount they had already paid him (say, $400k) would have counted toward OKC's cap and luxury tax.  Now, it counts against ours.  OKC probably sent some money along to compensate us.

thanks roy for clearing that up. i had the same question as kozy on this.

on a related question, is the reason the celtics are including gomes in this deal to make salaries match? or, is it doing a "favor" to OKC, which may pay off down the line? or both? or neither?  :)

Looks like Boston and Memphis tried to go through with the original deal, but I guess the league told them it couldn't work as intended. Calls were made, OKC got involved, gave the requisite filler in Gomes' contract to make the deal work.  I don't think this was a show of goodwill towards the Thunder as much as it was that Boston needed help, so they reached out to OKC.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BballTim on January 07, 2014, 11:43:23 AM
Quote from: WEEI
Gomes’ involvement in the deal appears to be a salary dump by Oklahoma City to help facilitate the trade and create a small amount of cap space, Stein reported. The Celtics are expected to waive the former Providence College star before the remainder of his $884,293 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday.
I'm confused with the whole Gomes situation. If he is non-guaranteed and can be waived today, how exactly is that saving OKC money? Can't they just waive him themselves?

They would have saved whatever future salary he was owed.  However, the amount they had already paid him (say, $400k) would have counted toward OKC's cap and luxury tax.  Now, it counts against ours.  OKC probably sent some money along to compensate us.

thanks roy for clearing that up. i had the same question as kozy on this.

on a related question, is the reason the celtics are including gomes in this deal to make salaries match? or, is it doing a "favor" to OKC, which may pay off down the line? or both? or neither?  :)

Looks like Boston and Memphis tried to go through with the original deal, but I guess the league told them it couldn't work as intended. Calls were made, OKC got involved, gave the requisite filler in Gomes' contract to make the deal work.  I don't think this was a show of goodwill towards the Thunder as much as it was that Boston needed help, so they reached out to OKC.

  We could have made it work with trade exceptions, couldn't we?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: kozlodoev on January 07, 2014, 11:44:28 AM
Quote from: WEEI
Gomes’ involvement in the deal appears to be a salary dump by Oklahoma City to help facilitate the trade and create a small amount of cap space, Stein reported. The Celtics are expected to waive the former Providence College star before the remainder of his $884,293 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday.
I'm confused with the whole Gomes situation. If he is non-guaranteed and can be waived today, how exactly is that saving OKC money? Can't they just waive him themselves?

They would have saved whatever future salary he was owed.  However, the amount they had already paid him (say, $400k) would have counted toward OKC's cap and luxury tax.  Now, it counts against ours.  OKC probably sent some money along to compensate us.

thanks roy for clearing that up. i had the same question as kozy on this.

on a related question, is the reason the celtics are including gomes in this deal to make salaries match? or, is it doing a "favor" to OKC, which may pay off down the line? or both? or neither?  :)

Looks like Boston and Memphis tried to go through with the original deal, but I guess the league told them it couldn't work as intended. Calls were made, OKC got involved, gave the requisite filler in Gomes' contract to make the deal work.  I don't think this was a show of goodwill towards the Thunder as much as it was that Boston needed help, so they reached out to OKC.
I like Gomes. I won't be terribly disappointed if we keep him for SF depth.

edit: It seems, though, that he's waived already. Ah well.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 07, 2014, 11:53:02 AM
Really looking forward to getting the "official" story behind this trade. [Paging Mr. Forsberg: Mr. Forsberg, please pick up the white courtesy phone.] Especially why OKC had to step in to help broker the deal.

Some sources are reporting that Memphis got a 2nd from Boston, others are saying OKC ended up with two conditional seconds.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Endless Paradise on January 07, 2014, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: WEEI
Gomes’ involvement in the deal appears to be a salary dump by Oklahoma City to help facilitate the trade and create a small amount of cap space, Stein reported. The Celtics are expected to waive the former Providence College star before the remainder of his $884,293 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday.
I'm confused with the whole Gomes situation. If he is non-guaranteed and can be waived today, how exactly is that saving OKC money? Can't they just waive him themselves?

They would have saved whatever future salary he was owed.  However, the amount they had already paid him (say, $400k) would have counted toward OKC's cap and luxury tax.  Now, it counts against ours.  OKC probably sent some money along to compensate us.

thanks roy for clearing that up. i had the same question as kozy on this.

on a related question, is the reason the celtics are including gomes in this deal to make salaries match? or, is it doing a "favor" to OKC, which may pay off down the line? or both? or neither?  :)

Looks like Boston and Memphis tried to go through with the original deal, but I guess the league told them it couldn't work as intended. Calls were made, OKC got involved, gave the requisite filler in Gomes' contract to make the deal work.  I don't think this was a show of goodwill towards the Thunder as much as it was that Boston needed help, so they reached out to OKC.

  We could have made it work with trade exceptions, couldn't we?

Well, I obviously wasn't involved, but I'd imagine if they could've done the original deal, they would've done it. Clearly something came up, which would explain both the delay and why it was expanded.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Tr1boy on January 07, 2014, 12:35:53 PM
Whatever it's done. It will be interesting to read the details whenever that will post

Does anyone know if Bayless will play tonight?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 07, 2014, 12:40:52 PM
Whatever it's done. It will be interesting to read the details whenever that will post

Does anyone know if Bayless will play tonight?

I'd heard he'd arrived in Denver last night.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: aingeforthree on January 07, 2014, 12:42:31 PM
Any trade exception for the C's in this ?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: BballTim on January 07, 2014, 12:45:49 PM
Quote from: WEEI
Gomes’ involvement in the deal appears to be a salary dump by Oklahoma City to help facilitate the trade and create a small amount of cap space, Stein reported. The Celtics are expected to waive the former Providence College star before the remainder of his $884,293 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday.
I'm confused with the whole Gomes situation. If he is non-guaranteed and can be waived today, how exactly is that saving OKC money? Can't they just waive him themselves?

They would have saved whatever future salary he was owed.  However, the amount they had already paid him (say, $400k) would have counted toward OKC's cap and luxury tax.  Now, it counts against ours.  OKC probably sent some money along to compensate us.

thanks roy for clearing that up. i had the same question as kozy on this.

on a related question, is the reason the celtics are including gomes in this deal to make salaries match? or, is it doing a "favor" to OKC, which may pay off down the line? or both? or neither?  :)

Looks like Boston and Memphis tried to go through with the original deal, but I guess the league told them it couldn't work as intended. Calls were made, OKC got involved, gave the requisite filler in Gomes' contract to make the deal work.  I don't think this was a show of goodwill towards the Thunder as much as it was that Boston needed help, so they reached out to OKC.

  We could have made it work with trade exceptions, couldn't we?

Well, I obviously wasn't involved, but I'd imagine if they could've done the original deal, they would've done it. Clearly something came up, which would explain both the delay and why it was expanded.

  My point was, if we *could* have completed the trade using only trade exceptions and didn't, we could be trying to preserve the trade exception for future use.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: furball on January 07, 2014, 01:14:51 PM
Whatever it's done. It will be interesting to read the details whenever that will post

Does anyone know if Bayless will play tonight?

I'd heard he'd arrived in Denver last night.

Baxter Holmes ‏@BaxterHolmes 17m

Jerryd Bayless is available to play tonight. He will come off the bench.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Tr1boy on January 07, 2014, 01:54:58 PM
Whatever it's done. It will be interesting to read the details whenever that will post

Does anyone know if Bayless will play tonight?

I'd heard he'd arrived in Denver last night.

Baxter Holmes ‏@BaxterHolmes 17m

Jerryd Bayless is available to play tonight. He will come off the bench.

sweet.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: j804 on January 07, 2014, 02:21:39 PM
Bayless already talking up Rondo knowing hell probably help him get his next paycheck: he's the best point guard in the league

 ;D
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: hardlyyardley on January 07, 2014, 03:45:42 PM
Another second round pick gone
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 07, 2014, 03:50:17 PM
Quote from: WEEI
Gomes’ involvement in the deal appears to be a salary dump by Oklahoma City to help facilitate the trade and create a small amount of cap space, Stein reported. The Celtics are expected to waive the former Providence College star before the remainder of his $884,293 salary becomes guaranteed on Tuesday.
I'm confused with the whole Gomes situation. If he is non-guaranteed and can be waived today, how exactly is that saving OKC money? Can't they just waive him themselves?

They would have saved whatever future salary he was owed.  However, the amount they had already paid him (say, $400k) would have counted toward OKC's cap and luxury tax.  Now, it counts against ours.  OKC probably sent some money along to compensate us.

thanks roy for clearing that up. i had the same question as kozy on this.

on a related question, is the reason the celtics are including gomes in this deal to make salaries match? or, is it doing a "favor" to OKC, which may pay off down the line? or both? or neither?  :)

Looks like Boston and Memphis tried to go through with the original deal, but I guess the league told them it couldn't work as intended. Calls were made, OKC got involved, gave the requisite filler in Gomes' contract to make the deal work.  I don't think this was a show of goodwill towards the Thunder as much as it was that Boston needed help, so they reached out to OKC.

  We could have made it work with trade exceptions, couldn't we?

Well, I obviously wasn't involved, but I'd imagine if they could've done the original deal, they would've done it. Clearly something came up, which would explain both the delay and why it was expanded.

  My point was, if we *could* have completed the trade using only trade exceptions and didn't, we could be trying to preserve the trade exception for future use.

Tim, I'm inclined to side with your suspicions here. My totally baseless, utterly out-of-the-blue guess is that Presti heard about the trade then offered to help keep our TE fully intact in exchange for helping the thunder get some payroll relief.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on January 07, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
Another second round pick gone

The picks are protected 51-55. OKC will only get the pick if the Celts get a top 10 to top 5 record.

The Grizzlies pick has similar protections.

It's just a throw in so that we're actually giving something to comply with the spirit of trades.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1umrrx/thunder_acquires_two_secondround_draft_picks_in/cejr08s
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 07, 2014, 07:38:44 PM
http://www.nba.com/thunder/news/thunder-acquires-two-second-round-draft-picks

Quote
The Oklahoma City Thunder acquired a pair of conditional second-round draft picks from the Memphis Grizzlies as part of a three-team deal, it was announced today by Executive Vice President and General Manager Sam Presti. Included in the trade, the Thunder sent forward Ryan Gomes to the Boston Celtics and cash considerations to the Grizzlies.

Oklahoma City acquired the 2014 Philadelphia 76ers’ second-round pick (conditional), which was owned by the Grizzlies. Additionally, the Thunder acquired the Grizzlies’ 2017 second-round draft selection (conditional).

As part of the three-team trade, the Grizzlies acquired guard Courtney Lee and a 2016 second-round draft pick from the Celtics in exchange for guard Jerryd Bayless.

Neither of the conditional second rounders going to OKC are from Boston.

This means that there were three second rounders involved in the deal.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: More Banners on January 07, 2014, 08:59:38 PM
So...we're down to Rondo being the only guard we're committed to for next year?  Others are FA, RFA, or non-guaranteed, right?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on January 07, 2014, 09:00:16 PM
My bad.

So we're sending an unprotected pick? Dang.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: hwangjini_1 on January 07, 2014, 10:15:43 PM
has anyone heard whether the celtics will be receiving any money in this deal? and if so, how much?
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: Lucky17 on January 07, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
http://www.nba.com/thunder/news/thunder-acquires-two-second-round-draft-picks

Quote
The Oklahoma City Thunder acquired a pair of conditional second-round draft picks from the Memphis Grizzlies as part of a three-team deal, it was announced today by Executive Vice President and General Manager Sam Presti. Included in the trade, the Thunder sent forward Ryan Gomes to the Boston Celtics and cash considerations to the Grizzlies.

Oklahoma City acquired the 2014 Philadelphia 76ers’ second-round pick (conditional), which was owned by the Grizzlies. Additionally, the Thunder acquired the Grizzlies’ 2017 second-round draft selection (conditional).

As part of the three-team trade, the Grizzlies acquired guard Courtney Lee and a 2016 second-round draft pick from the Celtics in exchange for guard Jerryd Bayless.

Neither of the conditional second rounders going to OKC are from Boston.

Cash from OKC to MEM.
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: TripleOT on January 07, 2014, 10:46:11 PM
Give Bayless free reign.  Play Bayless, Crawford, Brooks, Wallace and KO together for 36 minutes a game and tell them to fire at will. 
Title: Re: Celtics to trade Lee for Jerryd Bayless?
Post by: D.o.s. on January 07, 2014, 11:31:28 PM
So...we're down to Rondo being the only guard we're committed to for next year?  Others are FA, RFA, or non-guaranteed, right?
I believe so.