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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: ssspence on January 05, 2014, 12:02:24 AM
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I read the ridiculous 'report' today about Griffin for Melo, and thought it was the dumbest rumor of all time. Then I googled it, and found this (which sums it up perfectly):
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/04/rumor-knicks-clippers-have-discussed-proposing-a-trade-involving-carmelo-anthony-and-blake-griffin/
The concept is a joke to begin with -- stupid. The reporting is nonsensical -- stupid. And then Doc went ahead and called ESPN what it should be called for printing it.... stupid.
Broussard should be canned. I'm sure James Dolan will give him a gig as a cheerleader.
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its a fire starter but not out reality
1)griffin name has been tossed since last year. 2) melo is a fa next season, has a home in LA and is friends with paul. 3) clippers cant keep both griffin and melo due to the cap
if the clippers fail again to get anywhere , this rumor could build steam
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He made his career hanging off of Lebron's jock, plus ESPN needs someone to make Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith look intelligent by comparison.
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And he does this stuff a lot. It really bugs me.
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How does Steven A. Smith and most of the ESPN crew still have a job?
Here's a fantastic quote from the comments in your article:
The writer of this article says, “Why are we here, again?”
We are here because other writers and yourself and writing and posting articles that say this. THAT is how we got here.
Writers of websites need to write and post articles and they need to be ones that generate clicks.
So who cares if neither team has discussed this with another team. That has nothing to do with posting an article and generating clicks for sponsors.
I mean, this author admitted as much be asking “Why are we here, again?” in his OWN article.
Oh well, it’s how things are today in journalism, all of it, not just sports journalism.
They perpetuate bullEdited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. They can perpetuate BS because of marketing, making them seem knowledgeable. They perpetuate bullEdited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. to generate clicks, they don't care if they're right.
Rondo being portrayed as a eccentric malcontent generates clicks, when a lot of it is probably conjecture.
The latest on Rondo is that he's optimistic and positive about his return; and he's excited to play for Brad Stevens. You don't hear any of that on the main page of ESPN.
What is on the front page is 38 angles of LeBron dunking.
And garbage trade rumors.
Whatever sells.
ESPN is just sports. Not a big deal.
But what's annoying and concerning is even in "real" news it's just a bunch of bullEdited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. Is the news game too competitive?
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(http://theclassical.org/sites/default/files/CBroussMultiSources.jpg)
Lol never gets old
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It's ESPN = not news but sports marketing.
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He is like a man with a bag of flour in the middle of a crack house.
I am an addict. No matter how many times I check, I just can't stop myself from going back to him and asking what's in the bag.
I guess I'm the problem. There isn't enough actual basketball news to satisfy me, so I consume rumor posts of the form "There have been no talks yet, but writer so and so said that the Knicks would have interest if Dallas offered Dirk Nowitzki for Amare Stoudemire"
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He made his career hanging off of Lebron's jock, plus ESPN needs someone to make Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith look intelligent by comparison.
Stephen A. Smith used to be a pretty good beat writer, actually. Makes me sad.
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I was talking with my friend about this kind of thing, how NBA media has become totally obsessed with trades: trades that might be looked at, trades that get made up, trades that might happen next year, trade demands, anything.
And it's not a thing in other sports. Not that they're never talked about, but when do you see people talking about Calvin Johnson getting traded away from the Lions? If the NFL was treated like the NBA that would be happening all offseason probably.... "With the Lions in turmoil, will Megatron be traded?". Or for example there are legit questions about Marshawn Lynch and what the Seahawks do with him for next year. This guy is one of the very best RBs in the league on the best team and no one talks about that.
NBA is more personal with a smaller group of players, and they have more room to be stars. And trades can really radically change a team. I guess that's my guess about what makes it different. Either way, it's way out of hand.
I blame Bill Simmons hypothetical trades (about all he talks about NBA wise now) and then all the "sources" reporters out there who can just use that word and say whatever they want.
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LOL TP. So true. I wish they'd start holding analysts more accountable for these ridiculous trade rumors. They can actually harm team's morale and chemistry.
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA
Props to NYK fans asking if Clippers would have to include a pick in a Melo-Blake swap. There is bold, and there is NYK fan bold.
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It's ESPN = not news but sports marketing.
Precisely. Not dissimilar from CNN, Fox, etc. either. Not news, just sensationalism.
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I was talking with my friend about this kind of thing, how NBA media has become totally obsessed with trades: trades that might be looked at, trades that get made up, trades that might happen next year, trade demands, anything.
And it's not a thing in other sports. Not that they're never talked about, but when do you see people talking about Calvin Johnson getting traded away from the Lions? If the NFL was treated like the NBA that would be happening all offseason probably.... "With the Lions in turmoil, will Megatron be traded?". Or for example there are legit questions about Marshawn Lynch and what the Seahawks do with him for next year. This guy is one of the very best RBs in the league on the best team and no one talks about that.
NBA is more personal with a smaller group of players, and they have more room to be stars. And trades can really radically change a team. I guess that's my guess about what makes it different. Either way, it's way out of hand.
I blame Bill Simmons hypothetical trades (about all he talks about NBA wise now) and then all the "sources" reporters out there who can just use that word and say whatever they want.
Also the NFL has a couple of distinct "advantages" that help them avoid the trade coverage--the stars have much less leverage in regards to demanding a trade and free agency, the season is much shorter, and teams have a much tighter leash on their players (which is related to the absence of power in free agency for the players).
However, consider how often people talk about coaches on the hot seat in the NFL, and things like that. There are just as many sourceless puff pieces about the NFL as the NBA, they just cover different things.
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I was talking with my friend about this kind of thing, how NBA media has become totally obsessed with trades: trades that might be looked at, trades that get made up, trades that might happen next year, trade demands, anything.
And it's not a thing in other sports. Not that they're never talked about, but when do you see people talking about Calvin Johnson getting traded away from the Lions? If the NFL was treated like the NBA that would be happening all offseason probably.... "With the Lions in turmoil, will Megatron be traded?". Or for example there are legit questions about Marshawn Lynch and what the Seahawks do with him for next year. This guy is one of the very best RBs in the league on the best team and no one talks about that.
NBA is more personal with a smaller group of players, and they have more room to be stars. And trades can really radically change a team. I guess that's my guess about what makes it different. Either way, it's way out of hand.
I blame Bill Simmons hypothetical trades (about all he talks about NBA wise now) and then all the "sources" reporters out there who can just use that word and say whatever they want.
Also the NFL has a couple of distinct "advantages" that help them avoid the trade coverage--the stars have much less leverage in regards to demanding a trade and free agency, the season is much shorter, and teams have a much tighter leash on their players (which is related to the absence of power in free agency for the players).
However, consider how often people talk about coaches on the hot seat in the NFL, and things like that. There are just as many sourceless puff pieces about the NFL as the NBA, they just cover different things.
I would much rather have it be about the coaches than something as direct as the players, in the NBA too where individuals are very important, of course.
Just having stuff like these Carmello situations is so annoying. When the sport actually has some amazing talent right now for this to be what's talked about, just pretty lame.
Yes it happens in all sports but I think it's getting particularly bad in the NBA. I don't see this level of the media just throwing things out there with "sources" that are so disruptive.
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I don't see a problem with this. I'm sure the Knicks have actually discussed proposing that trade. And once the rumor was out there I would be surprised if the Clippers didn't talk about it (long enough to at least laugh at the ridiculousness of it).
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Well Doc feels the same way...he called out ESPN specifically..lol
Dan Woike @DanWoikeSports
"It’s just stupid. My whole issue with any of that crap, that network, to me, reports a story they created." -- Doc Rivers on ESPN story
Dan Woike @DanWoikeSports
(more) "Then, they do reports on it for the next two days, on a story, they created. But, it's stupid."
6:27 PM - 4 Jan 2014
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1911392-doc-rivers-calls-blake-griffin-for-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-stupid?
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Good for Doc, I'm glad someone called these sportswriters out for making up rumors just so they can have a story.
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Well Doc feels the same way...he called out ESPN specifically..lol
Dan Woike @DanWoikeSports
"It’s just stupid. My whole issue with any of that crap, that network, to me, reports a story they created." -- Doc Rivers on ESPN story
Dan Woike @DanWoikeSports
(more) "Then, they do reports on it for the next two days, on a story, they created. But, it's stupid."
6:27 PM - 4 Jan 2014
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1911392-doc-rivers-calls-blake-griffin-for-carmelo-anthony-trade-rumors-stupid?
Here's a great example via deadspin of THE WORLDWIDE LEADER doing this with football:
http://deadspin.com/how-espn-manufactures-a-story-colin-kaepernick-edition-1185400028
NSFW headline in the link when you click it:
Step 1: Ron Jaworski goes on SportsCenter Wednesday at a little after noon and says something absolutely ridiculous: "I truly believe Colin Kaepernick could be one of the greatest quarterbacks ever."
Step 2: SportsCenter replays that clip less than an hour later. "Strong words from Jaws!"
Step 3: A reporter at 49ers camp asks Colin Kaepernick, "Ron Jaworski said today he thought you could be the greatest quarterback of all-time, the best quarterback ever. How do you deal with praise and stuff in this off-season and what not?" That full question—and Kaepernick's response—are later broadcast on SportsCenter.
Step 4: Steve Levy goes on the 11 p.m. SportsCenter and talks about what Jaworski had to say.
Step 5: Steve Young comes on SportsCenter to do a spot on Jaws's opinion.
Step 6: San Francisco's ABC affiliate does a segment dedicated to it. ABC and ESPN are both owned by Disney.
Step 7: SportsCenter replays Jaws's hot take several times overnight. SportsCenter anchor Jonathan Coachman reports that Kaepernick is "humbly appreciative of all this greatest-ever talk." All this greatest-ever talk.
Step 8: The AP writes up a story about Jaworski's take. (So does SI.)
Step 9: ESPN picks up the AP story.
Step 10: ESPN puts the AP story on the front page of ESPN.com with the headline, "Jaworski praises Colin Kaepernick."
Step 11: ESPN Radio's Mike Golic plays the clip and dedicates one of his first segments to it on Thursday morning.
Step 12: A topic for the morning SportsCenter. "Jaws made a little bit of news yesterday!" Jaworski comes on with Adam Schefter to talk about what he said. And then Jaworski says that Kaepernick answered the question—that is, a question from the reporter about Jaworski's take—perfectly.
Step 13: Jaws goes on another edition of SportsCenter. "I'm going to stick to what I said!" he said, laughing hysterically.
Step 14: Jaworski goes on First Take to talk about it with Skip Bayless. "You put it on Tebow," Jaworski tells him.
This is the effect that ESPN has. This is the effect it has on the sports world. Create a meme, report it out, repeat it all day, and let the rest of the media world re-report it, which ESPN then re-re-reports. Wash, rinse, etc.
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He made his career hanging off of Lebron's jock, plus ESPN needs someone to make Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith look intelligent by comparison.
Stephen A. Smith used to be a pretty good beat writer, actually. Makes me sad.
A lot of the horrible national writers used to be pretty good beat writers and should still be listened to when talking about the teams they covered closely due to their good sources and ignored when they talk about anyone else.
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This is the same network that has on staff the illiterate jamele hill and keith olberdork.
They make Broussard look like Collins or VanGundy as an NBA commentator.