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Title: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: FLCeltsFan on December 30, 2013, 10:25:19 PM
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Atlanta Hawks (17-14) at Boston Celtics (13-17)
Tuesday, December 31, 2013
1:00 PM ET
Game #31 Home Game #17
TV: CSNNE, SportSouth, NBA-LP 752(DTV)/751,753(Xfinity)
Radio: WBZ, WQXI
TD Garden

(http://mall.ballparks.com/images/normal_boston_9086.jpg)

Probable Starting Matchups
Point Guard

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/4758.jpg) vs (http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/4624.jpg)
Jordan Crawford vs Jeff Teague

Shooting Guard
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Avery Bradley vs Lou Williams

Small Forward
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Jeff Green vs Kyle Korver

Power Forward
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Brandon Bass vs Paul Millsap

Center
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Jared Sullinger vs Elton Brand

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Celtics Reserves
MarShon Brooks
Kris Humphries
Phil Pressey
Courtney Lee
Gerald Wallace
Keith Bogans
Kelly Olynyk
Vitor Faverani

Injuries
Rajon Rondo (ACL)out
 
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Hawks Reserves
Mike Scott
Gustavo Ayon
Shelvin Mack
Pero Antic
Dennis Shroder
Jared Cunningham

Injuries
DeMarre Carroll (thumb) out
Cartier Martin (ankle) questionable
John Jenkins (leg)  out
Al Horford (shoulder)  out

Key Matchups
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Brandon Bass vs Paul Millsap
Millsap has been playing very well this year for the Hawks, averaging 17.4 points, 8.4 rebounds, and 1.1 blocks per game.  Bass's defensive strengths should make this a good matchup.

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/5055.jpg)vs (http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/basketball/nba/players/3324.jpg)
Jared Sullinger vs Elton Brand
With Al Horford out, this could be a matchup that favors the Celtics.  Brand is a big body in the paint and a very good player, but he has also lost a step over the years. 

Honorable Mention
Jordan Crawford vs Jeff Teague
Teague has become a very good point guard and is averaging 17.0 points, 8.3 assists and 1.4 steals per game.  If Teague gets hot, we may see Avery on him and Crawford defending against Lou Williams.  It will be important to slow Teague down. 

Game Notes

The Celtics host the Hawks in the second of 4 meetings between these two teams this season.  The Celtics won the first meeting in Atlanta 94-87.   The Celtics have extra motivation to beat the Hawks in that they will more than likely own the Hawks' pick in this year's draft and every loss improves that pick. 

Atlanta is currently in the 3rd spot in the East, 6.5 games behind the Heat, who are in the second spot.  The Celtics are in 8th and 1 game behind the Raptors, who hold the 4th spot by virtue of leading the Atlantic Division.

The Hawks lost their center and best player when Al Horford went out with a shoulder injury.  Horford is a two-time NBA All-Star who is the Hawks leading scorer (18.6 points per game) and rebounder (8.4 rebounds per game).   Losing him was a major loss, but they are still a very tough team even without him.  The Celtics can't take them lightly. 

This is the Celtics second consecutive afternoon game.  They are 2-1 in matinee games this season.  Afternoon games tend to favor the home team.  Let's hope the Celtics have their minds on the game and aren't planning their New Year's Even celebrations.

Keys to the Game
Play 48 Minutes - The Celtics have been getting off to fast starts and big leads.  But, in the second half, they stop running, stop moving the ball, and stop going to the basket.  They have to keep doing what works right until the final buzzer.

Defend the Perimeter
- The Hawks depend on the three to score.  They are 3rd in the league, making 9.5 3's per game and are making 38.3% of their shots from beyond the arc.  They have several good shooters from distance and the Celtics must up their perimeter defense. 

Rebound
- The Celtics must crash the boards as a team, especially the guards.  Rebounding takes effort and the Celtics must be the team that wins the rebounding battle.

Set the Pace - The Celtics have to run on every possession.  Part of the reason they have given up big leads is that they stop running, stop pushing the ball inside, and stop moving the ball.  They have to keep up the pace for the entire game. 

X-Factors

Matinee and Focus
Matinee games usually favor the home team and that would be the Celtics in this game.  They should also get a boost from the home crowd.  Hopefully they will keep their focus in this game and not be thinking about their New Years Eve plans. 
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 30, 2013, 10:26:49 PM
let me be the first to give you a TP for the last game in 2013 FL.  spectacular job as always
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: FLCeltsFan on December 30, 2013, 11:05:55 PM
Thanks slamtheking!   And a TP back at you for being the first comment on the last game thread of 2013. 

Go Celtics!!! 
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Ogaju on December 30, 2013, 11:09:08 PM
what result helps us tank in this game?

Do we need to win or lose to have a better chance at a lottery pick?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: celticslove on December 31, 2013, 12:06:50 AM
TP for the all year all season great job!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on December 31, 2013, 01:36:57 AM
We need to lose for the sake of our own pick but win for the sake of the pick due to us  from the DJ White trade which might end up being the Atlanta one. While I'm here, BOLD PREDICTIONS: Rondo makes shock return to the team in the 4th quarter, Wallace makes it to 20 points from off the bench, and Sullinger single handedly eats the Hawks front court alive.   
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on December 31, 2013, 07:18:21 AM
LET'S GO CELTICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on December 31, 2013, 11:15:26 AM
HERE'S MIKE AND TOMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    ;D
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 31, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
We need to lose for the sake of our own pick but win for the sake of the pick due to us  from the DJ White trade which might end up being the Atlanta one. While I'm here, BOLD PREDICTIONS: Rondo makes shock return to the team in the 4th quarter, Wallace makes it to 20 points from off the bench, and Sullinger single handedly eats the Hawks front court alive.
I honestly don't know which one is more possible: Wallace scoring 20 or rondo returning.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 12:14:43 PM
what result helps us tank in this game?

Do we need to win or lose to have a better chance at a lottery pick?

good question. if we ONLY look at this in terms of draft positioning, a hawk win is probably better than a celtic loss...slightly.

it seems that the hawks will make the playoffs regardless of the result tonight since the eastern conference is reaching historic levels of suck. so, a loss by atlanta MAYBE would change the draft position by one slot for the celtics, maybe getting #18 instead of #19, that sort of change.

on the other hand, a loss by the celtics helps keep them in the hunt for the lottery.  ;) for the celtics, each loss not only gives them a better draft position, it also increases their chance of "winning" a top spot in the lottery.

another loss MAYBE would change the celtics' draft position from, let's say, #8 to #7 or something like that. small shift in location, but a potentially large advantage in terms of talent available to choose from.

so, in the final, dismal, depressing analysis....a celtic loss benefits the team more in terms of draft positioning.

but having said all that, i must absolutely now say.... gooooo celtics!!  ;D

p.s. happy new year everyone! i wish you all a healthy and happy new year.  :)
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: DesertDweller on December 31, 2013, 12:44:37 PM
I thought I was explicitly clear about this!!!

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/CACTUS1944/1eb446fc-a716-4a90-9e05-3c6131773550.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/CACTUS1944/media/1eb446fc-a716-4a90-9e05-3c6131773550.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 12:47:29 PM
Bold Prediction

Jared Sullinger eats Elton Brand alive with 20 points 17 rebounds

Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: danglertx on December 31, 2013, 01:07:15 PM
It feels like they've played two games in a month, ready for some C's basketball!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: celtic -_- pride on December 31, 2013, 01:08:01 PM
Jarred sullinger will eat a tuna fish alive tonight with
21 points and 8 rebounds. Jarred sure does like his tuna fish
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 31, 2013, 01:12:19 PM
Bradley is too quick for Korver.  I'd like to see him try and take it to the hoop
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: danglertx on December 31, 2013, 01:19:02 PM
Not exactly a basketball clinic being put on this afternoon in Boston.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 01:23:40 PM
I thought I was explicitly clear about this!!!

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/CACTUS1944/1eb446fc-a716-4a90-9e05-3c6131773550.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/CACTUS1944/media/1eb446fc-a716-4a90-9e05-3c6131773550.jpg.html)

Even tankers can rejoice in a Celtic victory this afternoon!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 01:27:25 PM
Ooooof! Green is so fluid in the open court. I look forward to seeing what he does with rondo, now that the celtics are a running team.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 01:31:00 PM
Dennis Schroeder aka Rondos alien clone.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 01:35:37 PM
Ooooof! Green is so fluid in the open court. I look forward to seeing what he does with rondo, now that the celtics are a running team.
We're a running team now?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Roy H. on December 31, 2013, 01:38:28 PM
Courtney Lee, adding to his trade value!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 01:38:48 PM
Lee has been nice off the bench this last month. Keep it up YG!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Roy H. on December 31, 2013, 01:39:36 PM
Ooooof! Green is so fluid in the open court. I look forward to seeing what he does with rondo, now that the celtics are a running team.
We're a running team now?

21st in pace, baby! ;)
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 01:40:49 PM
Ooooof! Green is so fluid in the open court. I look forward to seeing what he does with rondo, now that the celtics are a running team.
We're a running team now?

21st in pace, baby! ;)
With fewer fast break points per game than last year and two years ago as well.

Not much fewer, about the same actually. Same with the pace  too....

But hey we don't fast break because of Doc, er Rondo, er Pierce, er KG, er Deli guy!

Yup definitely is all the deli guys fault.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: danglertx on December 31, 2013, 01:44:21 PM
Definitely winning the battle of the bench so far.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: VitorSullyandKOFan on December 31, 2013, 01:44:36 PM
Hump is playing very good we might get something good at the deadline.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: bello_man09 on December 31, 2013, 01:49:27 PM
wow Lee with the block!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: bello_man09 on December 31, 2013, 01:50:54 PM
why won't wallace shoot!!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: danglertx on December 31, 2013, 01:52:32 PM
Hump is playing very good we might get something good at the deadline.

I doubt we get anything better than just his expiring contract would be for us.  We'd have to take back 12mil to trade him and that would have to be expiring or it wouldn't be worth it.  I can't see any trade from a contender that makes sense for Hump.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 01:53:48 PM
AB continues to prove he's not a PG.  blew a layup for Wallace by mishandling the ball again
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 01:54:03 PM
AB has tunnel vision when he's leading the fast break.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Roy H. on December 31, 2013, 01:54:05 PM
I love Antic.  I want him on the Celtics, just because he's awesome looking.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: tyrone biggums on December 31, 2013, 01:54:23 PM
So...trade our pick the Hawks pick and the Clippers 2015 to move up in the top 5? Anyone?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 01:54:35 PM
So apparently internet box scores are broken? Ugh.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 01:55:06 PM
I love Antic.  I want him on the Celtics, just because he's awesome looking.

What about Robert Sacre? They look identical. hhaha
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: fairweatherfan on December 31, 2013, 01:55:51 PM
Hump is playing very good we might get something good at the deadline.

I doubt we get anything better than just his expiring contract would be for us.  We'd have to take back 12mil to trade him and that would have to be expiring or it wouldn't be worth it.  I can't see any trade from a contender that makes sense for Hump.

We could get Bynum!  ;D

Though to be honest I'd be shocked if Danny wasn't at least considering it.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: VitorSullyandKOFan on December 31, 2013, 01:56:00 PM
I love Antic.  I want him on the Celtics, just because he's awesome looking.

He looks like a James Bond villain.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 01:56:32 PM
So does anyone mind posting the score every now and then? I can't follow it via box score now and apparently the NBA now doesn't let you get radio unless you buy league pass or are local.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: bello_man09 on December 31, 2013, 01:57:30 PM
that missed dunk just sumed up wallace season!!!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Roy H. on December 31, 2013, 01:57:32 PM
So does anyone mind posting the score every now and then? I can't follow it via box score now and apparently the NBA now doesn't let you get radio unless you buy league pass or are local.

42-26, Celts.

Sully is cleaning up on the boards, and Lee has looked fantastic on both ends.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 01:58:10 PM
So does anyone mind posting the score every now and then? I can't follow it via box score now and apparently the NBA now doesn't let you get radio unless you buy league pass or are local.

42-26, Celts.
Wow, was 8 points last update my phone got.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Roy H. on December 31, 2013, 01:59:07 PM
So does anyone mind posting the score every now and then? I can't follow it via box score now and apparently the NBA now doesn't let you get radio unless you buy league pass or are local.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/gameflash/2013/12/31/34905/index.html#boxscore
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 01:59:52 PM
is anyone else watching this game and thinking there's a decent possibility that the Nets/Hawks pick we get this year will end up being a better pick than our own? 

If the Leastern conference wasn't so abysmal this year, there'e no way any of the 3 teams should make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 02:01:00 PM
So does anyone mind posting the score every now and then? I can't follow it via box score now and apparently the NBA now doesn't let you get radio unless you buy league pass or are local.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/gameflash/2013/12/31/34905/index.html#boxscore
Thanks Roy. CBS/NBA/ESPN were all busted
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 02:02:36 PM
Ooooof! Green is so fluid in the open court. I look forward to seeing what he does with rondo, now that the celtics are a running team.
We're a running team now?

They run more compared to the last few years!  :)

They just aren't very talented or efficient at it.... And then in the second half the running game goes down the tubes... Lol.
Well, i still look forward to seeing how this team looks with rondo playing with a younger crew, with fresher legs.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: VitorSullyandKOFan on December 31, 2013, 02:02:47 PM
Losing another big lead.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 02:02:57 PM
Maybe I should stick to not having a boxscore, once that loaded the Hawks went on a huge run!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: tyrone biggums on December 31, 2013, 02:03:51 PM
Oh no...is it Sully's wrist?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 02:04:07 PM
is anyone else watching this game and thinking there's a decent possibility that the Nets/Hawks pick we get this year will end up being a better pick than our own? 

If the Leastern conference wasn't so abysmal this year, there'e no way any of the 3 teams should make the playoffs.

Yeah no kidding. It is hard to evaluate what we really have with the current celtics when they are playing against such terrible teams night after night.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on December 31, 2013, 02:04:15 PM
Another lead evaporating and Korver still hasn't hit his 3 yet
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 31, 2013, 02:05:58 PM
Please trade Crawford.  He has zero basketball iq
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on December 31, 2013, 02:08:31 PM
is anyone else watching this game and thinking there's a decent possibility that the Nets/Hawks pick we get this year will end up being a better pick than our own? 

If the Leastern conference wasn't so abysmal this year, there'e no way any of the 3 teams should make the playoffs.

Yeah no kidding. It is hard to evaluate what we really have with the current celtics when they are playing against such terrible teams night after night.

You've gotta think Atlanta is still going to make the playoffs.

Sadly, Milsap/Teague/Korver is a playoff team in the East.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: danglertx on December 31, 2013, 02:13:02 PM
is anyone else watching this game and thinking there's a decent possibility that the Nets/Hawks pick we get this year will end up being a better pick than our own? 

If the Leastern conference wasn't so abysmal this year, there'e no way any of the 3 teams should make the playoffs.

Yeah no kidding. It is hard to evaluate what we really have with the current celtics when they are playing against such terrible teams night after night.

You've gotta think Atlanta is still going to make the playoffs.

Sadly, Milsap/Teague/Korver is a playoff team in the East.

So they are one injury away from the lottery... like most other teams right now.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: manl_lui on December 31, 2013, 02:16:21 PM
is anyone else watching this game and thinking there's a decent possibility that the Nets/Hawks pick we get this year will end up being a better pick than our own? 

If the Leastern conference wasn't so abysmal this year, there'e no way any of the 3 teams should make the playoffs.

Yeah no kidding. It is hard to evaluate what we really have with the current celtics when they are playing against such terrible teams night after night.

You've gotta think Atlanta is still going to make the playoffs.

Sadly, Milsap/Teague/Korver is a playoff team in the East.

So they are one injury away from the lottery... like most other teams right now.
what are the chances Knicks gets their team together and start winning again

while Nets/hawks continue to suck.

We get 2 lottery picks, package them for a top 3 pick?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 02:18:21 PM
is anyone else watching this game and thinking there's a decent possibility that the Nets/Hawks pick we get this year will end up being a better pick than our own? 

If the Leastern conference wasn't so abysmal this year, there'e no way any of the 3 teams should make the playoffs.

Yeah no kidding. It is hard to evaluate what we really have with the current celtics when they are playing against such terrible teams night after night.


You've gotta think Atlanta is still going to make the playoffs.

Sadly, Milsap/Teague/Korver is a playoff team in the East.

Yeah, there are gonna be 6 terrible playoff teams in the east. Six. So bad.

The difference between a 4th seed in the east and the 4th spot in the lottery is so close talent wise.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 02:19:30 PM
You don't package multiple picks to move up often in the NBA, not unless you're moving up only a few spots.

In this draft I'd be shocked if anything like that happened. Maybe if the C's had 5 they could go to 3. Sort of like the Kevin Love/Mayo deal. The team having the third pick would want to draft "Kevin Love" (say Exum) but see the chance to trade down 2 spots and still get him.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: matteo on December 31, 2013, 02:26:28 PM
brad just told team "last chance, last chance, either you change it up or I'm gonna change it up (talking to starters)
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 02:29:36 PM
Bold Prediction

Jared Sullinger eats Elton Brand alive with 20 points 17 rebounds

i thought sully was trying to lose weight.  ;D
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 02:29:45 PM
Please trade Crawford.  He has zero basketball iq

What happened? He has regressed so much with his decision making.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on December 31, 2013, 02:31:07 PM
brad just told team "last chance, last chance, either you change it up or I'm gonna change it up (talking to starters)

Celtics starters are 8 for 34!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 31, 2013, 02:32:05 PM
No ball movement. Bench Crawford.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 02:32:18 PM
brad just told team "last chance, last chance, either you change it up or I'm gonna change it up (talking to starters)

It looks ugly out there. My turn, my turn basketball.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: sed522002 on December 31, 2013, 02:35:41 PM
brad just told team "last chance, last chance, either you change it up or I'm gonna change it up (talking to starters)

It looks ugly out there. My turn, my turn basketball.

I'll bench all the starters for this mess. Starting with Crawford.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 02:38:28 PM
Attack the hoop. Crawford is one of the few who can do it.

He is having a terrible game, but the celts need him.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 02:38:53 PM
Brad giving Crawford a chance to redeem himself by leaving him in instead of subbing Pressey.

And its paying off..
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 02:40:02 PM
Please trade Crawford.  He has zero basketball iq

What happened? He has regressed so much with his decision making.

that makes it up, in part, to stevens to let him know this. crawford's last 3 was in the "no, no, no, yes" category. i am glad he made it, but it was not a good shot to take.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: vinnie on December 31, 2013, 02:40:18 PM
My God is this horrific basketball. More power to you guys who can watch this crap. The NBA should be ashamed. The league needs to contract.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Shamrocker on December 31, 2013, 02:40:52 PM
Why is Jeff Green refusing to sit down?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on December 31, 2013, 02:41:32 PM
KO is having one of his better quarters of the season
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 02:42:16 PM
Why is Jeff Green refusing to sit down?

He looks p---ed.

Hopefully if he gets back in he beasts.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: vinnie on December 31, 2013, 02:42:30 PM
Why is Jeff Green refusing to sit down?

I thought he was angry when he was taken out and was yapping at Stevens.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: bello_man09 on December 31, 2013, 02:43:15 PM
Nice Play by OK...way to run the floor...
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 02:44:39 PM
KO is having one of his better quarters of the season

Tommy loves olynyk!! I feel like he is this teams Walter McCarty.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 02:45:49 PM
watching Milsap this game really makes me think Houston should be making a real push to swap Asik for him.  He'd be terrific next to Howard.  Atlanta isn't doing anything without Horford this year and Asik would allow the to move Horford to PF next year where he really belongs.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 02:46:11 PM
this is a pretty ugly game. glad that olly is playing well on offense, but his defense will always be a challenge for him.

i like avery's play as he runs the ball up the court.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 02:46:31 PM
My God is this horrific basketball. More power to you guys who can watch this crap. The NBA should be ashamed. The league needs to contract.

It's brutal but we are doing our part.  ;)
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 02:48:51 PM
MARC EFFING DAVIS LOL
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 02:49:22 PM
KO looking comfortable for a change
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 02:49:42 PM
MARC EFFING DAVIS LOL

Atrocious!!!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 02:50:14 PM
This 2nd unit is amazing.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: bello_man09 on December 31, 2013, 02:50:36 PM
KO is besting
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: manl_lui on December 31, 2013, 02:52:48 PM
I wish I could be watching instead of working :(

I saw at one point we had an 18 pt lead? What is wrong with us blowing big leads!!!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: bello_man09 on December 31, 2013, 02:53:57 PM
I wish I could be watching instead of working :(

I saw at one point we had an 18 pt lead? What is wrong with us blowing big leads!!!

young team..oh wait we blew leads with Doc  and KG and pierce..
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: triboy16f on December 31, 2013, 02:54:15 PM
KO looking comfortable for a change

his shot looks excellent. alot more snap in his wrist.

and when he runs is getting rewarded this time.

Decent defense also.  Again he can't save others but is trying out there utilizing his big body
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: danglertx on December 31, 2013, 02:54:33 PM
Olynyk at this point has to be a catch and shoot guy or one dribble and shoot or pass.  He doesn't back anyone down well and gets ZERO calls.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 02:57:13 PM
KO looking comfortable for a change

his shot looks excellent. alot more snap in his wrist.

and when he runs is getting rewarded this time.

Decent defense also.  Again he can't save others but is trying out there utilizing his big body
This is the KO I was hoping would carryover from Summer League.  If he could play like this consistently it would be a huge boost for this team.   

Hump is looking pretty good too -- I think with KO playing well next to him, it's actually helping Hump's game today.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 02:57:29 PM
and with that, a KO 3.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 02:57:40 PM
and a steal
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Who on December 31, 2013, 02:58:07 PM
Nice shot by Olynyk. Gives Boston some breathing room. 9 point game.

Steal by Olynyk, foul on fastbreak layup, 11 point game.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: triboy16f on December 31, 2013, 02:59:00 PM
oh wow KO on fire today. That shot looking amazing
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: jc3celticsphan on December 31, 2013, 02:59:39 PM
olynyk silence the critics
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: manl_lui on December 31, 2013, 03:00:30 PM
I might be wrong, but did I just see this in the box score

Korver makes 3 pt
Gerald Wallace fouls Korver +1 free throw

Korver converted a 4 pt play?

Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: TheGreenMonster on December 31, 2013, 03:01:13 PM
Thank God for the bench
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 03:01:22 PM
olynyk silence the critics

he has for at least one game. let's see whether he can consistently shoot and pass at a high level.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: manl_lui on December 31, 2013, 03:01:51 PM
and Stevens isn't kidding when he said he was going to yank the players out...

the 2nd unit is definitely coming to play tonight
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: danglertx on December 31, 2013, 03:02:06 PM
Worried about the second string running out of gas and not being able to finish this off.  As good as Olynyk has been, Hump controlling the boards has been just as important.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 03:02:14 PM
I might be wrong, but did I just see this in the box score

Korver makes 3 pt
Gerald Wallace fouls Korver +1 free throw

Korver converted a 4 pt play?


YEP
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 03:03:17 PM
Refs hating on wallace tonight
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 03:05:37 PM
atlanta didn't take long to figure out AB can't handle the ball under pressure
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Shamrocker on December 31, 2013, 03:06:56 PM
Wallace and Pressey were playing fine.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 03:07:13 PM
Marc davis calling EEEVERYTHING tonight, even fouls that dont exist
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: nickagneta on December 31, 2013, 03:08:48 PM
If the C's lose this you don't have to look any farther than Jordan Crawford for a reason why.

EDIT: With Avery Bradley coming in a close second
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: rondoallaturca on December 31, 2013, 03:08:57 PM
Why does Marc Davis still have a job?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Shamrocker on December 31, 2013, 03:09:12 PM
I'm tired of Jordan Crawford and his low basketball IQ.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: VitorSullyandKOFan on December 31, 2013, 03:09:21 PM
Marc davis calling EEEVERYTHING tonight, even fouls that dont exist

He brought the Hawks back in the game.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: SparzWizard on December 31, 2013, 03:09:33 PM
Why they taking 3-pointers in a tight game...
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 03:09:56 PM
If the C's lose this you don't have to look any farther than Jordan Crawford for a reason why.
too many poor choices on shot selection. trying to the hero with those shots.

hump is playing well tonight, very well.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 31, 2013, 03:10:19 PM
4-21 shooting between Crawford and Bradley tonight
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: triboy16f on December 31, 2013, 03:10:27 PM
when Jcraw is out there, KO never gets a touch of the ball

The guy loves to pound the ball too much
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 03:10:35 PM
Marc davis calling EEEVERYTHING tonight, even fouls that dont exist

He brought the Hawks back in the game.

SINGLEHANDEDLY..
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 03:11:33 PM
4-21 shooting between Crawford and Bradley tonight
with one OMG bucket for good measure  :o
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: nickagneta on December 31, 2013, 03:11:45 PM
If the C's lose this you don't have to look any farther than Jordan Crawford for a reason why.
too many poor choices on shot selection. trying to the hero with those shots.

hump is playing well tonight, very well.
His defense has been atrocious too.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 03:11:52 PM
Steeeeeez

Wow
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Who on December 31, 2013, 03:11:58 PM
Haha, Crawford with the rainbow shot
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: timobusa on December 31, 2013, 03:12:18 PM
Marc Davis not even making it subtle.

He hates the C's
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 03:12:28 PM
when Jcraw is out there, KO never gets a touch of the ball

The guy loves to pound the ball too much
agreed, people thought Rondo pounded the ball -- Craw does it far more often.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Shamrocker on December 31, 2013, 03:12:44 PM
Why bench Green but not Crawford? Don't get it.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: danglertx on December 31, 2013, 03:13:04 PM
I like when Tommy says, "see this is what happens when Pressey is in there, they start pushing the ball up the floor."  No, that is what happens when a point guard is in there.  Crawford isn't a point guard.  Bradley isn't a point guard.  Lee isn't a point guard.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on December 31, 2013, 03:13:43 PM
How many people here have Milsap as an all star?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 31, 2013, 03:13:54 PM
Anyone know how many 4th quarter free throws each team has?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: tomrod on December 31, 2013, 03:14:38 PM
What is Stevens doing? No reason Green shouldn't be on the court. Humphries and Crawford bailed coach out twice with wild shots...
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 03:14:54 PM
good lord no, 
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 03:15:43 PM
if we've learned anything this year, Crawford and AB are not guards that should be on the floor at the end of a close game. 
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on December 31, 2013, 03:15:51 PM
I thought Stevens should have initially called the timeout. I knew it was going to come down to a Crawford jumper
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 03:16:12 PM
why was crawford shooting 3s when it is ONE point lead??????
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Who on December 31, 2013, 03:16:37 PM
It's more like which team can blow this game and lose rather than who can step up and win it.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: nickagneta on December 31, 2013, 03:16:38 PM
Please remove Crawford from the final 4 seconds of this game. He has been awful today.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 03:16:42 PM
How many people here have Milsap as an all star?
this year in the Least, he looks like one.  he looks more like the primary target for an Asik trade though
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: umpacu on December 31, 2013, 03:16:56 PM
Oh God, Crawford, stop it now!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 03:17:25 PM
why was crawford shooting 3s when it is ONE point lead??????

The steez giveth and the steez taketh.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 03:17:36 PM
WHY WHY WHY!!!!???
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on December 31, 2013, 03:17:56 PM
Should have traded Crawford when he had a little value
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 03:18:07 PM
aaaaaaannnndddd....crawford jacks up another difficult shot without passing it... for the loss.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: VitorSullyandKOFan on December 31, 2013, 03:18:25 PM
Another blown lead and game.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective. 

Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: slamtheking on December 31, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
well, on the plus side, we're one step closer to missing the playoffs :-\
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Surferdad on December 31, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
if we've learned anything this year, Crawford and AB are not guards that should be on the floor at the end of a close game.
So go with Lee and the rookie Pressey?  Perhaps you prefer Bogans?  It's not like they have good choices here.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Shamrocker on December 31, 2013, 03:18:52 PM
Disgusting. So tired of Crawford.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: SparzWizard on December 31, 2013, 03:19:11 PM
Jordan Crawford is NOT Paul Pierce, end of story.

Only Paul Pierce can take those shots. Hit or miss.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 03:19:15 PM
So closing out the game with only Humphries and Crawford shooting in the last 3 minutes doesn't seem like a great plan to me.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: nickagneta on December 31, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
The play was for Crawford to go left and throw the ball behind Olynyk to Lee in the corner for the corner shot. He improvised and lost the game.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 31, 2013, 03:19:35 PM
Unbelievable. Just cannot believe that Stevens comes up with that POS play. Just awful
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: The Rondo Show on December 31, 2013, 03:19:45 PM
Crawford killed us today
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 03:20:23 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

it was just a plain hard loss to swallow. at least olly looked good and at times the celtics ran a good offensive and credible defense.

but again...the mismatched talent on this team limits what they can do. enjoyable game to watch....even with the attempted heroics by crawford.

happy new year everyone!!!!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: tomrod on December 31, 2013, 03:21:16 PM
One of the first Stevens stubborn coach moments. Hope this benching of Bass, Green and Sullinger is useful down the road. The team we had out the final minutes could not score in the clutch.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Shamrocker on December 31, 2013, 03:21:37 PM
Not Stevens' finest hour. Not sure why he benched Green but not Crawford. Not sure why he took out Pressey either.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: triboy16f on December 31, 2013, 03:21:44 PM
Danny needs to trade Jcraw asap. Has little to no future with the team.

The guy follows the rules for the first half and tries to get others involved. But in the 2nd half, not sure if he is tired but changes to a different personality and looks to always shoot the ball. There are no drive and pass. No mixing things up. Just you have a hand in my face and i will shoot the shot

Idiot style of basketball
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: sed522002 on December 31, 2013, 03:21:54 PM
Unbelievable. Just cannot believe that Stevens comes up with that POS play. Just awful

I can almost bet that wasn't the play Stevens drawn for them. Craw looked like he improvised on that one.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: nickagneta on December 31, 2013, 03:22:02 PM
Unbelievable. Just cannot believe that Stevens comes up with that POS play. Just awful
Watch the play again. That wasn't the play. Lee broke open to the left corner. Craford was supposed to go left and use the Olynyk screen on his man for a clear pass to Lee in the corner. Crawford went right and improvised the shot.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 03:22:09 PM
So closing out the game with only Humphries and Crawford shooting in the last 3 minutes doesn't seem like a great plan to me.

stevens agrees with you, and i am sure he had alternative realities/game plans in mind.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Timdawgg on December 31, 2013, 03:22:58 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

it was just a plain hard loss to swallow. at least olly looked good and at times the celtics ran a good offensive and credible defense.

but again...the mismatched talent on this team limits what they can do. enjoyable game to watch....even with the attempted heroics by crawford.

happy new year everyone!!!!

Happy New Year!!!! Out with the old, in with the new...Bye Crawford!!!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 03:23:31 PM
One of the first Stevens stubborn coach moments. Hope this benching of Bass, Green and Sullinger is useful down the road. The team we had out the final minutes could not score in the clutch.

it is all about development and trying different combinations this year, not winning.

and by the way, have a tp for the new year.  ;D
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 03:23:46 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.
And a win/win from a tanking perspective.

The first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2013, 03:24:12 PM
Well for a moment, we're still hanging onto the 8th seed (an E-Ticket to the Pacer Curb-Stomp Fun Ride) with our picks projected to be #15 and #20.

Good news is that if Chicago wins tonight, we'll fall out of the playoffs and be in the lotto with the 9th best odds in the draft. I mean... temporarily, of course.  It's a long season. 

Bad news is that Atlanta just keeps creating distance.  The pick we get from Brooklyn/Hawks will be 20+. 
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on December 31, 2013, 03:25:15 PM
Unbelievable. Just cannot believe that Stevens comes up with that POS play. Just awful
Watch the play again. That wasn't the play. Lee broke open to the left corner. Craford was supposed to go left and use the Olynyk screen on his man for a clear pass to Lee in the corner. Crawford went right and improvised the shot.

Yeah, Lee slid over to the corner and was wide open for a three.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: sed522002 on December 31, 2013, 03:28:07 PM
They showed Brandon and Green having a little tiff on the bench(not Lebron/Chalmers level)
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: nickagneta on December 31, 2013, 03:29:02 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: MVPPierceNoJoke on December 31, 2013, 03:29:30 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2013, 03:30:20 PM
Well for a moment, we're still hanging onto the 8th seed (an E-Ticket to the Pacer Curb-Stomp Fun Ride) with our picks projected to be #15 and #20.

Good news is that if Chicago wins tonight, we'll fall out of the playoffs and be in the lotto with the 9th best odds in the draft. I mean... temporarily, of course.  It's a long season. 

Bad news is that Atlanta just keeps creating distance.  The pick we get from Brooklyn/Hawks will be 20+.

Bad news is that if Chicago wins tonight... it will be against the Raptors.  We NEED the Raptors to keep winning so they can stay on top of the Atlantic.  I want no part of winning the Atlantic.  Keep it away from me... 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBWQCHb95rg

Bos vs Atlanta and Chicago vs Toronto is just the absolute worst couple of matchups for Pro Tankers.   We need Toronto and Chicago to win win win.  We need Boston and Atlanta to lose lose lose.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: csfansince60s on December 31, 2013, 03:31:32 PM
Well for a moment, we're still hanging onto the 8th seed with our picks projected to be #15 and #20.

Good news is that if Chicago wins tonight, we'll fall out of the playoffs and be in the lotto with the 9th best odds in the draft. I mean... temporarily, of course.  It's a long season. 

Bad news is that Atlanta just keeps creating distance.  The pick we get from Brooklyn/Hawks will be 20+. [quote ]

The bad news especially bothers me. This GD Hawks team has won 3 of their last 4 by a total of 5 points. Can't wait till their luck ends, and it will. They will fall hard.

18 point lead...crap....losing, I guess helps us with our draft choice, BUT NOT TO THIS TEAM!!!

The Cs winning or losing today will be irrelevant as to whether they will be in the lottery or not...they will.

Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Nerf DPOY on December 31, 2013, 03:32:23 PM
Well for a moment, we're still hanging onto the 8th seed (an E-Ticket to the Pacer Curb-Stomp Fun Ride) with our picks projected to be #15 and #20.

Good news is that if Chicago wins tonight, we'll fall out of the playoffs and be in the lotto with the 9th best odds in the draft. I mean... temporarily, of course.  It's a long season. 

Bad news is that Atlanta just keeps creating distance.  The pick we get from Brooklyn/Hawks will be 20+.

Well, the Hawks are 18-14 but there's 50 Horford-less games left to go. I'm just worried 18 wins will be enough for the 8 seed this year.....
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: nickagneta on December 31, 2013, 03:32:23 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory
How about if they just play as well as they can and win as many games as possible and if they end up in the lottery so be it and if they end up in the playoffs, so be it.

The last thing this young team needs is purposeful losing strategies by their GM or coach.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 03:34:02 PM
One of the first Stevens stubborn coach moments. Hope this benching of Bass, Green and Sullinger is useful down the road. The team we had out the final minutes could not score in the clutch.

I was ok with it. The starters needed a message. A loss in a season like this is worth it.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2013, 03:36:03 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory

Especially if the chronically injured Jared Sullinger is done for the season.  Our tanking hopes would sky rocket.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 03:36:29 PM
Well for a moment, we're still hanging onto the 8th seed (an E-Ticket to the Pacer Curb-Stomp Fun Ride) with our picks projected to be #15 and #20.

Good news is that if Chicago wins tonight, we'll fall out of the playoffs and be in the lotto with the 9th best odds in the draft. I mean... temporarily, of course.  It's a long season. 

Bad news is that Atlanta just keeps creating distance.  The pick we get from Brooklyn/Hawks will be 20+.

Well, the Hawks are 18-14 but there's 50 Horford-less games left to go. I'm just worried 18 wins will be enough for the 8 seed this year.....
They'll probably be around a .500 team without Horford. Still a playoff team.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory

Especially if the chronically injured Jared Sullinger is done for the season.  Our tanking hopes would sky rocket.

what happened to sully? i missed that part of the game. did he injure his back?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Fafnir on December 31, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory

Especially if the chronically injured Jared Sullinger is done for the season.  Our tanking hopes would sky rocket.

what happened to sully? i missed that part of the game. did he injure his back?
Its his left wrist I believe, he's been nursing it for a while wearing a glove on it even.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 03:39:25 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory
How about if they just play as well as they can and win as many games as possible and if they end up in the lottery so be it and if they end up in the playoffs, so be it.

The last thing this young team needs is purposeful losing strategies by their GM or coach.

The lack of talent will take care of sending the team tanking down the standings. No wacky strategies needed.

The west coast trip will be brutal. Teams look really good on the west coast.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Chief on December 31, 2013, 03:39:31 PM
I had the Hawks feed. The announcers were laughing at Jordan Crawford.

Also, Bass was terrible. Anyone who thinks he is a great defender, probably changed their mind this afternoon.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Nerf DPOY on December 31, 2013, 03:39:37 PM

The last thing this young team needs is purposeful losing strategies by their GM....

I think assembling this roster with Crawford,Bradley, and Pressey as the PG options was just that.I think Ainge expected more games like this one from Crawford, as opposed to the overall pleasant surprise he's been.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2013, 03:40:42 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory

Especially if the chronically injured Jared Sullinger is done for the season.  Our tanking hopes would sky rocket.

what happened to sully? i missed that part of the game. did he injure his back?
Its his left wrist I believe, he's been nursing it for a while wearing a glove on it even.
Man... between Rondo, Sully and Bradley... our core sure is injury prone.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Chief on December 31, 2013, 03:41:47 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.

Public altercation? I missed that. More details please. :)
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on December 31, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
One of the first Stevens stubborn coach moments. Hope this benching of Bass, Green and Sullinger is useful down the road. The team we had out the final minutes could not score in the clutch.

I was ok with it. The starters needed a message. A loss in a season like this is worth it.

I was more than okay with it.

Humphries had 18 points and 10 rebounds. Why shouldn't he finish the game? Because he's not a "starter"?
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: jc3celticsphan on December 31, 2013, 03:42:03 PM
i think im the only one who doesnt like bass. he never changes he will always be a selfish player just like crawford. but atleast crawford has more ability

bench bass and give KO his starting job back he actually can pass the ball


Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: jc3celticsphan on December 31, 2013, 03:44:21 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory

Especially if the chronically injured Jared Sullinger is done for the season.  Our tanking hopes would sky rocket.

what happened to sully? i missed that part of the game. did he injure his back?
Its his left wrist I believe, he's been nursing it for a while wearing a glove on it even.
Man... between Rondo, Sully and Bradley... our core sure is injury prone.
bradley hasnt been hurt for awhile please dont jinx us

and atleast its not sully's back its his left hand
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: sed522002 on December 31, 2013, 03:44:56 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory
How about if they just play as well as they can and win as many games as possible and if they end up in the lottery so be it and if they end up in the playoffs, so be it.

The last thing this young team needs is purposeful losing strategies by their GM or coach.

^Yes to everything you just said.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Nerf DPOY on December 31, 2013, 03:46:06 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory

Especially if the chronically injured Jared Sullinger is done for the season.  Our tanking hopes would sky rocket.

what happened to sully? i missed that part of the game. did he injure his back?
Its his left wrist I believe, he's been nursing it for a while wearing a glove on it even.
Man... between Rondo, Sully and Bradley... our core sure is injury prone.

Maybe I'm nit-picking over terminology here, but do we really have a core? That's not meant to be an indictment on any player on this team, but we're a below .500 team in the East that appears to be more than just a player away...
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Mr October on December 31, 2013, 04:02:55 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Tanking is starting to look better for the Celtics. With the upcoming schedule the Celtics should be heavy underdogs for the next 9 games. Say they go 1-8 or 2-7. And we are in top 5 territory

Especially if the chronically injured Jared Sullinger is done for the season.  Our tanking hopes would sky rocket.

what happened to sully? i missed that part of the game. did he injure his back?
Its his left wrist I believe, he's been nursing it for a while wearing a glove on it even.
Man... between Rondo, Sully and Bradley... our core sure is injury prone.

Maybe I'm nit-picking over terminology here, but do we really have a core? That's not meant to be an indictment on any player on this team, but we're a below .500 team in the East that appears to be more than just a player away...

I would call them, along with green, the core players of this team. They are the most talented players on the roster, and you have to start building somewhere.

Are they core players for a championship team in the future? No. I think rondo could be, but the others would be role players.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on December 31, 2013, 04:03:12 PM
I hate it....but now is the time for an 8-10 game losing streak---and a timely trade of at least one of our starters....Feel bad for Humphries and the other guys who played Hard today---Crawford SUCKED badly--and the refs made sure to call a foul every time the Hawks fell down on the slightest contact.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.

Public altercation? I missed that. More details please. :)

Oh wow.  As if it couldn't get worse... now our starters are brawling on the bench.

This is a disaster.  Our team is already 5 games below .500.  Our injury-prone core can't stay on the court.  Over the past two seasons, Bradley has missed 28% of his games.  Sully has missed 41%.  And our "star point guard" has missed a whopping 68% of his games. 

Meanwhile, our 2nd and 3rd highest paid players rot on our bench.  Gerald Wallace is on the hook for 30 million and is statistically one of the worst players in the entire league.

Now I hear tale that two of our starters were coming to blows on the bench?  Outrageous! 

Only one conclusion can be drawn from all of this.  Enough is enough.  This isn't working.  It's time.   

Time to blow it up, Danny. 


Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 31, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.

Public altercation? I missed that. More details please. :)

Oh wow.  As if it couldn't get worse... now our starters are brawling on the bench.

This is a disaster.  Our team is already 5 games below .500.  Our injury-prone core can't stay on the court.  Over the past two seasons, Bradley has missed 28% of his games.  Sully has missed 41%.  And our "star point guard" has missed a whopping 68% of his games. 

Meanwhile, our 2nd and 3rd highest paid players rot on our bench.  Gerald Wallace is on the hook for 30 million and is statistically one of the worst players in the entire league.

Now I hear tale that two of our starters were coming to blows on the bench?  Outrageous! 

Only one conclusion can be drawn from all of this.  Enough is enough.  This isn't working.  It's time.   

Time to blow it up, Danny.

he did already.

and it might not be best to define "injury prone" on the basis of 1 and 1/3 seasons, just a thought.

but in any case, let's be positive for at least the rest of this year.  ;D
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 31, 2013, 04:33:35 PM
Hum.....maybe it was good I missed this game ......people all,stirred up on the blog......wow....

Glade to learn Kelly finally had a decent game and then Bass and green acting infintile and Sully can't hit the side of a,monster barn.

Crawford taking the last shot?     Why not Green ?    ???

Don't think I'll rewatch this game......better for my nerves
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Surferdad on December 31, 2013, 04:35:42 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.

Public altercation? I missed that. More details please. :)

Oh wow.  As if it couldn't get worse... now our starters are brawling on the bench.

This is a disaster.  Our team is already 5 games below .500.  Our injury-prone core can't stay on the court.  Over the past two seasons, Bradley has missed 28% of his games.  Sully has missed 41%.  And our "star point guard" has missed a whopping 68% of his games. 

Meanwhile, our 2nd and 3rd highest paid players rot on our bench.  Gerald Wallace is on the hook for 30 million and is statistically one of the worst players in the entire league.

Now I hear tale that two of our starters were coming to blows on the bench?  Outrageous! 

Only one conclusion can be drawn from all of this.  Enough is enough.  This isn't working.  It's time.   

Time to blow it up, Danny.

he did already.

and it might not be best to define "injury prone" on the basis of 1 and 1/3 seasons, just a thought.

but in any case, let's be positive for at least the rest of this year.  ;D
Yes he did indeed blow it up. He traded away two HOFers, let another one walk, and traded away the coach that won you a ring.  But whatever, once you've blown up the toy, keep banging it against the wall.  >:(
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2013, 04:47:35 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.

Public altercation? I missed that. More details please. :)

Oh wow.  As if it couldn't get worse... now our starters are brawling on the bench.

This is a disaster.  Our team is already 5 games below .500.  Our injury-prone core can't stay on the court.  Over the past two seasons, Bradley has missed 28% of his games.  Sully has missed 41%.  And our "star point guard" has missed a whopping 68% of his games. 

Meanwhile, our 2nd and 3rd highest paid players rot on our bench.  Gerald Wallace is on the hook for 30 million and is statistically one of the worst players in the entire league.

Now I hear tale that two of our starters were coming to blows on the bench?  Outrageous! 

Only one conclusion can be drawn from all of this.  Enough is enough.  This isn't working.  It's time.   

Time to blow it up, Danny.

he did already.

and it might not be best to define "injury prone" on the basis of 1 and 1/3 seasons, just a thought.

but in any case, let's be positive for at least the rest of this year.  ;D
Yes he did indeed blow it up. He traded away two HOFers, let another one walk, and traded away the coach that won you a ring.  But whatever, once you've blown up the toy, keep banging it against the wall.  >:(
Blow it up again!  AND AGAIN!  MUHAHAHA. 

I'm just kidding around.  This team will be fine in a few years.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: DesertDweller on December 31, 2013, 04:51:50 PM
CRAWFORD GIVETH AND CRAWFORD TAKETH AWAY!!!

I said it several times, Stevens has got to rein Crawford in or get rid of him. this was the Celtics game and Crawford just blew it. he hates to share the ball and therefore don't belong on this team.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 31, 2013, 04:55:21 PM
CRAWFORD GIVETH AND CRAWFORD TAKETH AWAY!!!

I said it several times, Stevens has got to rein Crawford in or get rid of him. this was the Celtics game and Crawford just blew it. he hates to share the ball and therefore don't belong on this team.
This season isn't the best ball Crawford has played.  He's always been an up and down headcasey player.  There's a reason why the Wizards gave him away for literally nothing.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: danglertx on December 31, 2013, 04:58:30 PM
Crawford just isn't a point guard.  We need one of those or we will continue to lose leads, continue to struggle down the stretch, and continue to not get many easy looks.

Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: cltc5 on December 31, 2013, 05:08:47 PM
Wait Green no showed again?  There's a surprise ::)
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: DesertDweller on December 31, 2013, 05:16:39 PM
For whoever asked why the line up was the way it was at the end of the game is because the first unit....STUNK UP THE PLACE!!! Stevens was trying to talk to Green when he came off the floor and Green walked right by him. starters arguing with each other and then you have Crawford who single handedly with lousy passing and stupid shots, including the final shot which, I will bet, was not drawn up for him to take!!!
I haven't been this aggravated over a loss simply because it should never have happened.
and once again for you tankers....blow this up!!!!!!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 31, 2013, 05:31:24 PM
Wallace misses that gimme dunk which would have put us up by 20.  Instead, ATL goes on a 15-0 run to finish the 2nd quarter.

Then we lose by 1.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Smitty77 on December 31, 2013, 05:39:05 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.

Public altercation? I missed that. More details please. :)

Oh wow.  As if it couldn't get worse... now our starters are brawling on the bench.

This is a disaster.  Our team is already 5 games below .500.  Our injury-prone core can't stay on the court.  Over the past two seasons, Bradley has missed 28% of his games.  Sully has missed 41%.  And our "star point guard" has missed a whopping 68% of his games. 

Meanwhile, our 2nd and 3rd highest paid players rot on our bench.  Gerald Wallace is on the hook for 30 million and is statistically one of the worst players in the entire league.

Now I hear tale that two of our starters were coming to blows on the bench?  Outrageous! 

Only one conclusion can be drawn from all of this.  Enough is enough.  This isn't working.  It's time.   

Time to blow it up, Danny.

he did already.

and it might not be best to define "injury prone" on the basis of 1 and 1/3 seasons, just a thought.

but in any case, let's be positive for at least the rest of this year.  ;D
Yes he did indeed blow it up. He traded away two HOFers, let another one walk, and traded away the coach that won you a ring.  But whatever, once you've blown up the toy, keep banging it ag
ainst the wall.  >:(

Yes, we really miss Doc:-))  He has taken an upgraded Clippers team that was 25-8 last year at this point and "coached" this deeper and more talented Clipper team to 21-12.  I love how almost everyone on this blog worships Doc and makes fun of Vinny Del Negro.  I will bet that the Clips will NOT win 56 games as they did last year!!!

Smitty77
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Adelaide Celt on December 31, 2013, 05:39:32 PM
tonight was a lose/lose from a tanking perspective.

Not really, tonight was a win/lose from a tanking perspective. A positive and a negative to come from the result regardless.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 31, 2013, 05:42:49 PM
Missed the game.  I guess I was OK either way on this one.
 
I think Atlanta is squeaking out wins that they'll be losing in a few weeks.  Our pick still remains the best chance for lottery so it's OK to lose this one. 

Great to hear about (and see highlights of) Olynik's carer game. Looks like he shot very well and passed well.  Keep it going Kelly!
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on December 31, 2013, 06:03:35 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.

Public altercation? I missed that. More details please. :)

Oh wow.  As if it couldn't get worse... now our starters are brawling on the bench.

This is a disaster.  Our team is already 5 games below .500.  Our injury-prone core can't stay on the court.  Over the past two seasons, Bradley has missed 28% of his games.  Sully has missed 41%.  And our "star point guard" has missed a whopping 68% of his games. 

Meanwhile, our 2nd and 3rd highest paid players rot on our bench.  Gerald Wallace is on the hook for 30 million and is statistically one of the worst players in the entire league.

Now I hear tale that two of our starters were coming to blows on the bench?  Outrageous! 

Only one conclusion can be drawn from all of this.  Enough is enough.  This isn't working.  It's time.   

Time to blow it up, Danny.

he did already.

and it might not be best to define "injury prone" on the basis of 1 and 1/3 seasons, just a thought.

but in any case, let's be positive for at least the rest of this year.  ;D
Yes he did indeed blow it up. He traded away two HOFers, let another one walk, and traded away the coach that won you a ring.  But whatever, once you've blown up the toy, keep banging it ag
ainst the wall.  >:(

Yes, we really miss Doc:-))  He has taken an upgraded Clippers team that was 25-8 last year at this point and "coached" this deeper and more talented Clipper team to 21-12.  I love how almost everyone on this blog worships Doc and makes fun of Vinny Del Negro.  I will bet that the Clips will NOT win 56 games as they did last year!!!

Smitty77

right on. I really miss doc's rotations, small ball, no offensive rebounding, and primarily jump shooting team.  ::)

we never got out to leads like this last year. We just have to learn to finish. and we have nowhere near the talent. That right there shows how good stevens is. doc won in 2008 because of the big 3. he should have won again in 2010 but his crappy coaching cost us. Should have beat the heat in 7 in 2012 as well. thanks doc!  ::)
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: satch on December 31, 2013, 07:11:55 PM
This current celtic team would have a better record than last years if Rondo was playing.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 31, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.

Public altercation? I missed that. More details please. :)

Oh wow.  As if it couldn't get worse... now our starters are brawling on the bench.

This is a disaster.  Our team is already 5 games below .500.  Our injury-prone core can't stay on the court.  Over the past two seasons, Bradley has missed 28% of his games.  Sully has missed 41%.  And our "star point guard" has missed a whopping 68% of his games. 

Meanwhile, our 2nd and 3rd highest paid players rot on our bench.  Gerald Wallace is on the hook for 30 million and is statistically one of the worst players in the entire league.

Now I hear tale that two of our starters were coming to blows on the bench?  Outrageous! 

Only one conclusion can be drawn from all of this.  Enough is enough.  This isn't working.  It's time.   

Time to blow it up, Danny.

he did already.

and it might not be best to define "injury prone" on the basis of 1 and 1/3 seasons, just a thought.

but in any case, let's be positive for at least the rest of this year.  ;D
Yes he did indeed blow it up. He traded away two HOFers, let another one walk, and traded away the coach that won you a ring.  But whatever, once you've blown up the toy, keep banging it ag
ainst the wall.  >:(

Yes, we really miss Doc:-))  He has taken an upgraded Clippers team that was 25-8 last year at this point and "coached" this deeper and more talented Clipper team to 21-12.  I love how almost everyone on this blog worships Doc and makes fun of Vinny Del Negro.  I will bet that the Clips will NOT win 56 games as they did last year!!!

Smitty77

right on. I really miss doc's rotations, small ball, no offensive rebounding, and primarily jump shooting team.  ::)

we never got out to leads like this last year. We just have to learn to finish. and we have nowhere near the talent. That right there shows how good stevens is. doc won in 2008 because of the big 3. he should have won again in 2010 but his crappy coaching cost us. Should have beat the heat in 7 in 2012 as well. thanks doc!  ::)

When I miss Docs rotations ...I just watch him doing same damage to the clippers game ........I feel better he is gone.......
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on December 31, 2013, 10:20:16 PM
This current celtic team would have a better record than last years if Rondo was playing.

you could be right. I was thinking this as well. Shows doc did not get the most out of his teams.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on December 31, 2013, 10:22:25 PM
Bass and Green benched for public altercation on bench.

Given they both also played awful, maybe that was a good thing.

Public altercation? I missed that. More details please. :)

Oh wow.  As if it couldn't get worse... now our starters are brawling on the bench.

This is a disaster.  Our team is already 5 games below .500.  Our injury-prone core can't stay on the court.  Over the past two seasons, Bradley has missed 28% of his games.  Sully has missed 41%.  And our "star point guard" has missed a whopping 68% of his games. 

Meanwhile, our 2nd and 3rd highest paid players rot on our bench.  Gerald Wallace is on the hook for 30 million and is statistically one of the worst players in the entire league.

Now I hear tale that two of our starters were coming to blows on the bench?  Outrageous! 

Only one conclusion can be drawn from all of this.  Enough is enough.  This isn't working.  It's time.   

Time to blow it up, Danny.

he did already.

and it might not be best to define "injury prone" on the basis of 1 and 1/3 seasons, just a thought.

but in any case, let's be positive for at least the rest of this year.  ;D
Yes he did indeed blow it up. He traded away two HOFers, let another one walk, and traded away the coach that won you a ring.  But whatever, once you've blown up the toy, keep banging it ag
ainst the wall.  >:(

Yes, we really miss Doc:-))  He has taken an upgraded Clippers team that was 25-8 last year at this point and "coached" this deeper and more talented Clipper team to 21-12.  I love how almost everyone on this blog worships Doc and makes fun of Vinny Del Negro.  I will bet that the Clips will NOT win 56 games as they did last year!!!

Smitty77

right on. I really miss doc's rotations, small ball, no offensive rebounding, and primarily jump shooting team.  ::)

we never got out to leads like this last year. We just have to learn to finish. and we have nowhere near the talent. That right there shows how good stevens is. doc won in 2008 because of the big 3. he should have won again in 2010 but his crappy coaching cost us. Should have beat the heat in 7 in 2012 as well. thanks doc!  ::)

When I miss Docs rotations ...I just watch him doing same damage to the clippers game ........I feel better he is gone.......

yep. good riddance. Never really cared for doc or his style.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 01, 2014, 12:32:29 AM
Missed the game

Watching now ...almost  halftime ...Celtics looking decent

Somewhere ...something goes haywire

Oooohh.......two minutes to play in half ...stupid crap start n......
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on January 01, 2014, 02:13:38 AM
I'm just surprised somebody isn't saying that The Celtics now are 'better' than last season becauts Rondo is out 
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: nickagneta on January 01, 2014, 03:09:41 PM
You guys criticizing Doc Rivers and loving Brad Stevens will be the first guys calling for Stevens head after three losing seasons.

I said it now, January 1st 2014.

Book it. It will be happening in 2-3 years. You will all turn on him and being having similar complaints about Stevens.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Chief on January 01, 2014, 03:24:11 PM
You guys criticizing Doc Rivers and loving Brad Stevens will be the first guys calling for Stevens head after three losing seasons.

I said it now, January 1st 2014.

Book it. It will be happening in 2-3 years. You will all turn on him and being having similar complaints about Stevens.

I won't turn on Stevens. It didn't take long to tell he really knows basketball. My question is; Will the players turn on him? They shouldn't but the NBA has always been a players league. Managing veteran egos is what Doc was best at. His bench skills is what I often questioned.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 01, 2014, 04:37:52 PM
You guys criticizing Doc Rivers and loving Brad Stevens will be the first guys calling for Stevens head after three losing seasons.

I said it now, January 1st 2014.

Book it. It will be happening in 2-3 years. You will all turn on him and being having similar complaints about Stevens.

I won't turn on Stevens. It didn't take long to tell he really knows basketball. My question is; Will the players turn on him? They shouldn't but the NBA has always been a players league. Managing veteran egos is what Doc was best at. His bench skills is what I often questioned.

Exactly........I'm not going to turn on him either.   Doc is an elite baby sitter......like Phil Jackson.......able to wipe three butts with a single smile. ....handler of the diva s...aka Howard's , Melos and Kobe's ., D wades and such .   Lakers forums are already laughing at Doc , not really being all that better than Vinnie for the Clips .......we knew this all along.  Doc is a YES MAN for the stars.

The big names are NOT many times the best  coach..... Look what Vogel an unknown given a shot could do at Indy.

The best deal is to stay away from te D Will ,  Melo,  Howard coach killers.......let them stay on the Lakers and Nets.

Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: Chief on January 01, 2014, 04:44:07 PM
You guys criticizing Doc Rivers and loving Brad Stevens will be the first guys calling for Stevens head after three losing seasons.

I said it now, January 1st 2014.

Book it. It will be happening in 2-3 years. You will all turn on him and being having similar complaints about Stevens.

I won't turn on Stevens. It didn't take long to tell he really knows basketball. My question is; Will the players turn on him? They shouldn't but the NBA has always been a players league. Managing veteran egos is what Doc was best at. His bench skills is what I often questioned.

Exactly........I'm not going to turn on him either.   Doc is an elite baby sitter......like Phil Jackson.......able to wipe three butts with a single smile. ....handler of the diva s...aka Howard's , Melos and Kobe's ., D wades and such .   Lakers forums are already laughing at Doc , not really being all that better than Vinnie for the Clips .......we knew this all along.  Doc is a YES MAN for the stars.

The big names are NOT many times the best  coach..... Look what Vogel an unknown given a shot could do at Indy.

The best deal is to stay away from te D Will ,  Melo,  Howard coach killers.......let them stay on the Lakers and Nets.

The difference between Jackson and Rivers is that Jackson was a  very good bench coach. Actually, he was not a bad at developing talent either.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 01, 2014, 04:49:36 PM
You guys criticizing Doc Rivers and loving Brad Stevens will be the first guys calling for Stevens head after three losing seasons.

I said it now, January 1st 2014.

Book it. It will be happening in 2-3 years. You will all turn on him and being having similar complaints about Stevens.

I won't turn on Stevens. It didn't take long to tell he really knows basketball. My question is; Will the players turn on him? They shouldn't but the NBA has always been a players league. Managing veteran egos is what Doc was best at. His bench skills is what I often questioned.

Exactly........I'm not going to turn on him either.   Doc is an elite baby sitter......like Phil Jackson.......able to wipe three butts with a single smile. ....handler of the diva s...aka Howard's , Melos and Kobe's ., D wades and such .   Lakers forums are already laughing at Doc , not really being all that better than Vinnie for the Clips .......we knew this all along.  Doc is a YES MAN for the stars.

The big names are NOT many times the best  coach..... Look what Vogel an unknown given a shot could do at Indy.

The best deal is to stay away from te D Will ,  Melo,  Howard coach killers.......let them stay on the Lakers and Nets.
I dunno.  Nick is probably right.  The season is early and we've overachieved.  We already have one malcontent (Gerald Wallace).  Last night, two of our starters had a bit of a confrontation on the bench.  Our petulant point guard hasn't even joined the equation yet. 

Rick Pitino was a phenomenal coach who had the respect of the Celtic players early on as well... after enough losses piled up, he lost them.  This team is still likely going to struggle for the next 3-5 years.  Not enough talent currently... and unlikely we'll be saved by the draft if we accidentally make the playoffs this year.  Let's see if you're still 100% on board with Brad after multiple years of bottomfeeder basketball.  Inevitably you'll want a scapegoat. 
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 01, 2014, 05:41:22 PM
I don't think we will win a Championship anytime soon .....we simply don't have the talent ...no matter who is coach......a nice young smart coach is good for 21 year olds to learn and develop under.....Doc stroked egos....dumped on the rest of the team

Somewhere in the background there has to be authority figure ..... We have DA handle the divas when it's time o have them on the team  ..the stars ....LOL ........needs to e somebody riding shotgun    ...ake.....Pat Riley gots Spo's back.

Long as DA upgrades the team every year and Stevens shows improvement on his part , I understand its going to be several years o put together a contending team. 
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: 2short on January 01, 2014, 05:46:23 PM
You guys criticizing Doc Rivers and loving Brad Stevens will be the first guys calling for Stevens head after three losing seasons.

I said it now, January 1st 2014.

Book it. It will be happening in 2-3 years. You will all turn on him and being having similar complaints about Stevens.

I won't turn on Stevens. It didn't take long to tell he really knows basketball. My question is; Will the players turn on him? They shouldn't but the NBA has always been a players league. Managing veteran egos is what Doc was best at. His bench skills is what I often questioned.

Exactly........I'm not going to turn on him either.   Doc is an elite baby sitter......like Phil Jackson.......able to wipe three butts with a single smile. ....handler of the diva s...aka Howard's , Melos and Kobe's ., D wades and such .   Lakers forums are already laughing at Doc , not really being all that better than Vinnie for the Clips .......we knew this all along.  Doc is a YES MAN for the stars.

The big names are NOT many times the best  coach..... Look what Vogel an unknown given a shot could do at Indy.

The best deal is to stay away from te D Will ,  Melo,  Howard coach killers.......let them stay on the Lakers and Nets.
I dunno.  Nick is probably right.  The season is early and we've overachieved.  We already have one malcontent (Gerald Wallace).  Last night, two of our starters had a bit of a confrontation on the bench.  Our petulant point guard hasn't even joined the equation yet. 

Rick Pitino was a phenomenal coach who had the respect of the Celtic players early on as well... after enough losses piled up, he lost them.  This team is still likely going to struggle for the next 3-5 years.  Not enough talent currently... and unlikely we'll be saved by the draft if we accidentally make the playoffs this year.  Let's see if you're still 100% on board with Brad after multiple years of bottomfeeder basketball.  Inevitably you'll want a scapegoat.
I hate to jump on one line BUT Rick Pitino at the pro level was a poor coach, bad in NY, bad in Boston.  Maybe he is good at college level (egotistical jerk by the way) but not a good pro coach and even worse as a gm.
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: triboy16f on January 01, 2014, 06:57:24 PM
One plus by stevens yesterday

1. Keep the 2nd unit on the floor In the 4th

Two minuses by stevens yesterday

1. Not call plays for olynyk. He went 8-11. A pro coach would ride out this efficiency

2. Have faith in jcraw as he does. He went 3-11. Not only inefficient in the gamr but there is no indication he is a reliable clutch player
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: SHAQATTACK on January 01, 2014, 08:08:11 PM
If we don't beat. Bulls next game....

Other than the Pelicans ......

We might not win another game till the Jan 17 meeting against the Laker s. ......a game we should win.....they massively suck

I think our vets realize  a very likely long losing stretch is approaching  and not winning these winnable games is demoralizing them

And me oo...LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Hawks (17-14) at Celtics (13-17) Game 31 12/31
Post by: DesertDweller on January 02, 2014, 08:08:07 AM
A little more on Crawford....it's really a shame that this guy can't control himself because at times he's a freaky good shooter.  if he could just learn to control himself when he's not hitting because when he's not hitting that's not the only thing that affects his game.  he tries to compensate by being to fancy with the passes and collects a lot of turnovers.
basicly what I'm saying is, if this guy could play within what he is capable of doing, he is a weapon but when he tries to do too much, he becomes a game killer!!!

the scary thing about JC is whether he actually can be coached or not.  when he uses his head he makes some great passes that are productive but his biggest problem is remembering there are four more players on the floor!!!