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Title: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: FLCeltsFan on December 21, 2013, 09:21:14 PM
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Boston Celtics (12-16) at Indiana Pacers (21-5)
Sunday, December 22, 2013
6:00 PM ET
Regular Season Game #29, Road Game #14
TV: CSNNE, FSI, NBA-LP 751(DTV)/751,753(xfinity)
Radio: WBZ, 1070 The Fan
Bankers Life Fieldhouse

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Point Guard
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Jordan Crawford vs George Hill

Shooting Guard
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Avery Bradley vs Lance Stephenson

Small Forward

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Jeff Green vs Paul George

Power Forward
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Brandon Bass vs David West

Center

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Jared Sullinger vs Roy Hibbert

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Celtics Reserves
MarShon Brooks
Kris Humphries
Vitor Faverani
Phil Pressey
Courtney Lee
Keith Bogans
Gerald Wallace
Kelly Olynyk

Injuries
Rajon Rondo (ACL)out

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Pacers Reserves
Luis Scola
Orlando Johnson
Chris Copeland
Ian Mahinmi
CJ Watson
Rasual Butler
Solomon Hill
Donald Sloan

Injuries
Danny Granger (calf) probable

Game Notes
The Atlantic Division leading Celtics visit the Central Division leading Pacers.  Even though each team leads their respective division, there is a big difference between their records.  The Celtics are 4 games under .500 while the Pacers are 16 games over .500. 

When these two teams met in November, the Pacers snapped a 4 game losing streak to the Celtics at TD Garden.  Since that game, the Celtics have won 8 of 14.  The Celtics lead the overall series 86-69 but Indiana leads 46-30 in Indiana. 

This game is a part of a back to back set for both teams. The Celtics are playing on the back end of back to back games while the Pacers are playing in the front have of their back to back set. 

The Pacers are looking for their second straight win while the Celtics are trying to bounce back after 2 straight losses.  The Pacers are 6-4 in their last 10 games and an impressive 12-1 at home.  The Celtics are 5-5 in their last 10 games and 5-8 on the road.

The Chat Room will be rocking on game night so be sure to check it out and don't miss the CLNS Post Game Show immediately after the game. Links to both will be in the game thread on the front page.

Key Matchups

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Jeff Green vs Paul George
Jeff Green vs Paul George
Paul George is playing very well this season, averaging 24.8 points, 6.0 rebounds, 3.6 assists and 2.08 steals. Jeff Green will need to work on the defensive end to try to contain him. It would be good for Jeff to have a big night offensively to make George work on the defensive end as well.

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Jared Sullinger vs Roy Hibbert
Roy Hibbert is a nightmare for pretty much anyone to match up with and Jared Sullinger will have a distinct height disadvantage when guarding the 7'2" Hibbert who is averaging 12.5 points, 8.5 rebounds and 2.8 blocks per game. 

Keys to the Game
Start Strong, Finish Stronger - In their past two games, the Celtics have gotten off to a very strong start, and a big lead.  But then something happens and they seem to lose focus and they end up losing the lead and the game.  The Celtics must focus on finishing strong.   

Run on Every Possession - The only hope that the Celtics have of getting easy shots would be to run every time they have the ball. They can't win in a half court game with the Pacers.

Go to the Hoop - When the Celtics attack the basket, good things happen. When they lapse into shooting jumpers and stop trying to get the ball inside, they struggle. The Celtics have to try to get into the paint on every possession and either get a shot, a foul, or kick it out to the open man.

Be Aggressive - The Celtics need to be the team that wants to win more. They have to attack and run and play with more energy than the Pacers if they want to win.  This may be tough on the second night of back to backs, but they need to read way down and somehow find a way to be the more aggressive team.

Rebound
- The Pacers are a big team and so if the Celtics want to stay in this, they must crash the boards as a team.  Every Celtic must make it his job to try to grab every rebound. 

X-Factors
On the Road and Fatigue
Young players tend to struggle more on the road but the Celtics young players are more mature than most. Can they keep their focus and turn off the distractions on the road?  Also, fatigue may be a factor after playing a tough game the night before. 
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 21, 2013, 10:06:26 PM
hot diggity! i'm the first to post on this thread!!!  ;D

great job flc, as ever a tp for your great work.

looks like a potential celtic stomping is possible, but maybe they can pull this out.

gooooo celtics!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 21, 2013, 10:16:13 PM
If they sit Hibbert the whole game ...it would be close to a game .

Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: celticslove on December 21, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
should be a lopside W for Indiana.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: PhoSita on December 21, 2013, 10:21:02 PM
Will be fun to see Sully vs West.

Hibbert should be able to do whatever he wants inside.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on December 22, 2013, 04:50:49 AM
Bold Predictions: Sully ou David Wests David West, Green puts Paul George on a poster. And...a complimentary Steez winner from at least 40 feet.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: j804 on December 22, 2013, 05:12:35 AM
If they sit Hibbert the whole game ...it would be close to a game .
lol predict a competitive game through the half followed by another third quarter collapse when Paul George gets going
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 04:25:46 PM
I think the loss tonight will put Toronto at the top of the Atlantic. LOL... they are going to be so mad.  What a frustrating season for Eastern Conference tankers.  Brooklyn and New York threw everyone off.

Good news is that we're right on the verge of the lotto.  We're still in this baby.  Wiggins or bust!
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: celtic -_- pride on December 22, 2013, 05:17:53 PM
we will be hangin around for the first half then get stomped in the second.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: lon3lytoaster on December 22, 2013, 05:26:16 PM
I think the loss tonight will put Toronto at the top of the Atlantic. LOL... they are going to be so mad.  What a frustrating season for Eastern Conference tankers.  Brooklyn and New York threw everyone off.

Good news is that we're right on the verge of the lotto.  We're still in this baby.  Wiggins or bust!

Parker.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: KGs Knee on December 22, 2013, 05:26:37 PM
I think the loss tonight will put Toronto at the top of the Atlantic. LOL... they are going to be so mad.  What a frustrating season for Eastern Conference tankers.  Brooklyn and New York threw everyone off.

Good news is that we're right on the verge of the lotto.  We're still in this baby.  Wiggins or bust!

The funniest part of this is that if we get the 1st pick, it won't be Wiggins.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 06:26:17 PM
no one around in the game thread?
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 06:27:10 PM
the celtics look good so far, hanging in there with the Pacers. Crawford has got to stop chucking it though
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: timobusa on December 22, 2013, 06:27:19 PM
Here! just too lazy to type haha
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 06:34:20 PM
the Pacers size is tough to deal with. As soon as Sullinger went out Hibbert took over.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: YoungOne87 on December 22, 2013, 06:35:11 PM
where is asik? oh wait we still have bass...
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Vox_Populi on December 22, 2013, 06:36:08 PM
Hibbert should be able to do whatever he wants inside.
Aaaand it's looking like you're correct. 10 points on 5-6 shooting with 5 rebounds.

In the first quarter.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 06:46:14 PM
Granger's still got it.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: esel1000 on December 22, 2013, 06:59:09 PM
It's getting ugly... not surprised
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 22, 2013, 06:59:19 PM
What the hell was Green doing on D on that last play?  Switched off of Hill inexplicably and left him wide open.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 06:59:19 PM
Where's Sullinger's 3 point shot tonight? Why don't they try to draw Hibbert out of the paint with it?
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 06:59:45 PM
What the hell was Green doing on D on that last play?  Switched off of Hill inexplicably and left him wide open.

Green looks comatose tonight
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Watsonthedragon on December 22, 2013, 07:04:58 PM
So first EVER post on here for me. I've been very active on the site/reading the forums for years now and finally got around to getting a login approved and such! I've gotta say, not nearly as much participation on the game threads recently than in the past! Anyway, glad to be here and ready to start contributing! I love you guys and this place!
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 07:05:46 PM
So first EVER post on here for me. I've been very active on the site/reading the forums for years now and finally got around to getting a login approved and such! I've gotta say, not nearly as much participation on the game threads recently than in the past! Anyway, glad to be here and ready to start contributing! I love you guys and this place!

welcome, and TP for your 1st post!
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 07:06:22 PM
Bass leading the celtics with 1 assist. That about covers the 1st half for us.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 22, 2013, 07:07:36 PM
Getting sick of Crawford. 
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 22, 2013, 07:07:56 PM
Watching Jeff Green disappear for entire games and halves at a time is maddening.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 07:08:19 PM
Getting sick of Crawford.

I'm a bit worried that he's going to lose the trade value that he built up
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 07:09:09 PM
Watching Jeff Green disappear for entire games and halves at a time is maddening.

I agree, but I think it correlates well with lack of assists from our guards
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: celtic -_- pride on December 22, 2013, 07:11:04 PM
This game should be proof that we are not a real playoff team. I so desperately want Ainge to commit to a direction. I personally want him to trade out of the playoffs and play to our strength and right now that is our number of draft picks. Can't stand this mediocrity
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: esel1000 on December 22, 2013, 07:11:23 PM
Watching Jeff Green disappear for entire games and halves at a time is maddening.

It's truly amazing... almost makes you wonder if it would be worth just trading him for Asik. At least we'd have a real center who I'm guessing would play d the whole game (aka not fully disappear)

Green shows the ability to guard superstars, and have amazing offensive plays but he is so inconsistent... Not sure if Green is worth Asik or if I'm just frustrated at this point
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: esel1000 on December 22, 2013, 07:12:21 PM
This game should be proof that we are not a real playoff team. I so desperately want Ainge to commit to a direction. I personally want him to trade out of the playoffs and play to our strength and right now that is our number of draft picks. Can't stand this mediocrity

It will truly be a travesty if we win the titanic division... These last three games have proven that. Either get blown out or lose big leads.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Shamrocker on December 22, 2013, 07:12:48 PM
Getting sick of Crawford.

I'm a bit worried that he's going to lose the trade value that he built up

Ever since he won player of the week, his performance has gone downhill.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: celtic -_- pride on December 22, 2013, 07:18:36 PM
This game should be proof that we are not a real playoff team. I so desperately want Ainge to commit to a direction. I personally want him to trade out of the playoffs and play to our strength and right now that is our number of draft picks. Can't stand this mediocrity

It will truly be a travesty if we win the titanic division... These last three games have proven that. Either get blown out or lose big leads.
Yea I mean from an entertainment stand point there has been some great games to watch but I want to witness another championship. No one expected the NY disasters so I
Understand we shouldn't even be in the playoffs but DA needs to do something before the trade deadline. We will be better when rondo comes back and even furthers our problems. I won't support losing and will always want to win but I will support putting out a bad team trying to win that just sucks hahaha
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 22, 2013, 07:18:56 PM
1. This team is very young and inconsistency will happen. They seem to go on 3-4 games losing streaks and then 3-4 games winning streaks. No need to despair during the losing streaks. They are going to happen.

2. This concept that player's trade value changes from game to game and week to week is fan fantasy basketball stuff and GMs in the NBA do not view things like that. Its nonsensical to think that a players value for trading changes game to game based on their performances. Sorry people, that's just not how it works.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 07:21:29 PM
1. This team is very young and inconsistency will happen. They seem to go on 3-4 games losing streaks and then 3-4 games winning streaks. No need to despair during the losing streaks. They are going to happen.

2. This concept that player's trade value changes from game to game and week to week is fan fantasy basketball stuff and GMs in the NBA do not view things like that. Its nonsensical to think that a players value for trading changes game to game based on their performances. Sorry people, that's just not how it works.

game to game, sure, value doesn't change, but during the season of course it does. Crawford's trade value has certainly increased since the beginning of the season, and if he reverts to his selfish, boneheaded play his value will return back to preseason level.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: cltc5 on December 22, 2013, 07:24:24 PM
It's funny to watch this team struggle against very good teams but destroy equally poor teams and the excitement level around here escalate.  Not criticim, because I'm just a s guilty.  But we are nothing more than a bench squad out there and that's including green, excluding sully, and KO gets a pass for being a rook.  Lets get rid of this dead weight and start the rebuild.  LOL, seems we were saying the same thing last year.  Oh the roller coaster.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 22, 2013, 07:25:07 PM
We are definitely bottom feeders against a good team or a big one we are exposed.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Vox_Populi on December 22, 2013, 07:29:03 PM
If they sit Hibbert the whole game ...it would be close to a game .
lol predict a competitive game through the half followed by another third quarter collapse when Paul George gets going
You were correct as well.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: slamtheking on December 22, 2013, 07:29:45 PM
just an ugly game.  no real positive takeaways from this game other than I'm positive we need much better players to even dream of contending :-\
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: cltc5 on December 22, 2013, 07:30:34 PM
3 years of this with Jeff Green up and down.  Ive seen enough >:(
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: coco on December 22, 2013, 07:38:30 PM
Love Abby but I can care less about Buttler stuff
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: slamtheking on December 22, 2013, 07:38:42 PM
and the academy award for acting goes to --- Paul George
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: celtic -_- pride on December 22, 2013, 07:39:35 PM
3 years of this with Jeff Green up and down.  Ive seen enough >:(
Jeff is what he is. I don't expect much from him anymore
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: cltc5 on December 22, 2013, 07:40:24 PM
This should be an exciting playoffs matchup ::)
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: coco on December 22, 2013, 07:41:15 PM
I Bass that indispensable? 
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: celtic -_- pride on December 22, 2013, 07:42:24 PM
I'm not enjoying this game at all. It's not even entertaining. Some losses are fun to watch but the pacing of this game is just horrid. Time to bench people and give brooks some minutes. WE HAVE 47 points with 347 to go in the 3rd. Goodness
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: slamtheking on December 22, 2013, 07:43:51 PM
was hoping KO would show something a little better on offense besides a badly telegraphed up and under
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 07:45:38 PM
We can look forward to a massacre like this if we accidentally make the playoffs and make it far enough to face one of the two competent eastern conference teams.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: coco on December 22, 2013, 07:47:18 PM
We really have too many 4s.  Can't wait to see KO and Sully play together but coach can't seem to find minutes
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Chief on December 22, 2013, 07:48:15 PM
Pacers are the real deal.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: celtic -_- pride on December 22, 2013, 07:49:13 PM
I'm glad pj just mentioned the tech thing. I was hoping he would pick up a tech with the non calls. He needs to rally his team and let them know he's got their back. Another thing is it's really annoying to see how JG has been discouraged. He needs to get mean not walk around and pout. Gah do I wanna watch this next quarter ?
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Vox_Populi on December 22, 2013, 07:49:52 PM
Why does George always go off in the 3rd?
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 22, 2013, 07:51:18 PM
1. This team is very young and inconsistency will happen. They seem to go on 3-4 games losing streaks and then 3-4 games winning streaks. No need to despair during the losing streaks. They are going to happen.

2. This concept that player's trade value changes from game to game and week to week is fan fantasy basketball stuff and GMs in the NBA do not view things like that. Its nonsensical to think that a players value for trading changes game to game based on their performances. Sorry people, that's just not how it works.

game to game, sure, value doesn't change, but during the season of course it does. Crawford's trade value has certainly increased since the beginning of the season, and if he reverts to his selfish, boneheaded play his value will return back to preseason level.
I think it takes months and months of play to change trade value in any meaningful way and Crawford was gotten for garbage and probably is still on this team because any offers the C's are getting is sending garbage back to us for him.

Players go on 20-30 games hot streaks and then revert back to what they were. GMs across the league know this and right before our eyes we are starting to see it happen with Crawford. His value is no different now than at the start of the year. If the C's could get a second rounder with a garbage expiring contract for Crawfor they would take it. But they probably haven't so he is still a Celtic.

If Crawford played like he did the first 25 games of the season for this whole season, then his value would change and you would see it in the offers he would get as a RFA.But he he slowly goes back to being Jordan Crawford, he will be worth very little to either this team and any other.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Chief on December 22, 2013, 07:52:50 PM
Looks like Lee got his way. Which means Bradley at pg for a few minutes, which is not good for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Redz on December 22, 2013, 07:54:07 PM
Avery had Hump open for about 10 seconds underneath!
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: aporel#18 on December 22, 2013, 07:54:22 PM
Avery Bryant... not good.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 07:54:30 PM
Toronto will briefly have the 4th seed until they lose tonight.  Lol id love for them to win tonight so they can take that Atlantic division hot potato
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: cltc5 on December 22, 2013, 07:55:22 PM
wowbest offensive flow all game right there
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Chief on December 22, 2013, 07:55:37 PM
Marshon Brooks = fat lady singing
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 22, 2013, 07:59:46 PM
Back in the Parker hunt.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 22, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
Olynyk needs to start crashing the boards.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 22, 2013, 08:04:06 PM
Olynyk is awful.

If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.

So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 08:04:19 PM
You can officially add "stone hands" to oly's scouting report.  Rondo is going to hate him.

Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 08:08:38 PM
Olynyk is awful.

If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.

So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Give him another year before you give up on him.  It was an awful draft class.  He was an ok college player with limited upside.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on December 22, 2013, 08:09:14 PM
Kelly 'Rockpaw' Olynyk flunks his way to bust of the year, no? This is after 4 beers and plenty of rosé.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: YoungOne87 on December 22, 2013, 08:10:48 PM
olynyk is rookie, give him a break...
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: slamtheking on December 22, 2013, 08:11:51 PM
KO does seem very overmatched in this game.  even against their scrubs
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: coco on December 22, 2013, 08:11:51 PM
Personally, I don't see how he(KO)hurts you more than having Bass out there
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 22, 2013, 08:13:39 PM
Olynyk is awful.

If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.

So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Give him another year before you give up on him.  It was an awful draft class.  He was an ok college player with limited upside.
I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.

There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.

He's just not good.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 22, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
Man, who saw Olynyk just get stuffed there?
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: aporel#18 on December 22, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
I don't get what's that the Pacers have against our young Celtics, but they'll get payback sooner than they think.

Celtics need to learn from this beatdown and use that in the future.

Go Celtics!
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 22, 2013, 08:17:39 PM
Personally, I don't see how he(KO)hurts you more than having Bass out there
This is a joke, right?

Bass has given this team about 10-11 PPG, 5-6 RPG, shoots extremely well from his range and plays great defense.

Olynyk hasn't shown he can do any of those things except rebound and even then, usually not against the better rebounding team's rotational players.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: cltc5 on December 22, 2013, 08:17:50 PM
I dont know which is more surprising...That this was only a 23 point loss or that Indiana didn't score 200 points.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: slamtheking on December 22, 2013, 08:17:55 PM
yup, we're just a bunch of role players going up against a team of legit starters.  results showed it.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: CelticG1 on December 22, 2013, 08:18:13 PM
Jeez people are pretty teary eyed over Olynyk.  Remember when Bradley absolutely sacked his first few years in the league
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 08:18:49 PM
Olynyk is awful.

If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.

So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Give him another year before you give up on him.  It was an awful draft class.  He was an ok college player with limited upside.
I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.

There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.

He's just not good.
He's definitely in over his head.  I'll tell you one thing.  This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair.  He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle.  I can't take him serious.  He looks like an idiot out there.

Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player.  You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: letsgoblue86 on December 22, 2013, 08:19:11 PM
Personally, I don't see how he(KO)hurts you more than having Bass out there
This is a joke, right?

Bass has given this team about 10-11 PPG, 5-6 RPG, shoots extremely well from his range and plays great defense.

Olynyk hasn't shown he can do any of those things except rebound and even then, usually not against the better rebounding team's rotational players.
I haven't seen anything from Olynyk on the boards that indicates he's worth keeping. 
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 08:19:38 PM
Jeez people are pretty teary eyed over Olynyk.  Remember when Bradley absolutely sacked his first few years in the league

that's what I'm worried about, Bradley still sucks and is now older
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: esel1000 on December 22, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
Whatever team wins the Titanic will probably be the worst team in history to win a division... just hope it's not us.

Also it seems as though Lance averages a triple double against us
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: YoungOne87 on December 22, 2013, 08:21:06 PM
Personally, I don't see how he(KO)hurts you more than having Bass out there
This is a joke, right?

Bass has given this team about 10-11 PPG, 5-6 RPG, shoots extremely well from his range and plays great defense.

Olynyk hasn't shown he can do any of those things except rebound and even then, usually not against the better rebounding team's rotational players.

bass only plays great defense against guys like melo and thats about it.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: cltc5 on December 22, 2013, 08:21:48 PM
Olynyk is awful.

If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.

So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Give him another year before you give up on him.  It was an awful draft class.  He was an ok college player with limited upside.
I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.

There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.

He's just not good.
He's definitely in over his head.  I'll tell you one thing.  This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair.  He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle.  I can't take him serious.  He looks like an idiot out there.

Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player.  You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.

lol.  yea the hair isn't cute anymore.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 08:22:49 PM
Boston now at the 8th seed and only a mere half game out of the lotto.  Let's hope for Toronto to win tonight.  I don't want that Atlantic Division Hot Potato.  Aint nothin good to come from it.

Toronto temporarily has the crown with another quarter to go vs OKC.  God that would be hilarious if Toronto won the Atlantic after blatantly making tank trades.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on December 22, 2013, 08:23:42 PM
Rockpaw shot 2-9,  no pass was 3-10 not much difference, no?
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hpantazo on December 22, 2013, 08:24:59 PM
Olynyk is awful.

If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.

So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Give him another year before you give up on him.  It was an awful draft class.  He was an ok college player with limited upside.
I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.

There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.

He's just not good.
He's definitely in over his head.  I'll tell you one thing.  This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair.  He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle.  I can't take him serious.  He looks like an idiot out there.

Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player.  You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.

lol.  yea the hair isn't cute anymore.

He's got to go the Robert Swift route, shave his head, get some tats, then he will be all set
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: coco on December 22, 2013, 08:26:02 PM
Personally, I don't see how he(KO)hurts you more than having Bass out there
This is a joke, right?

Bass has given this team about 10-11 PPG, 5-6 RPG, shoots extremely well from his range and plays great defense.

Olynyk hasn't shown he can do any of those things except rebound and even then, usually not against the better rebounding team's rotational players.

Bass numbers are a reflection of the minutes he is getting.  Before his injury, KO was comming along.

I guess what I am saying is that Bass is average.  Nothing more.  Yes KO needs to get better, but that won't happen playing 7mins/gm... Which is around hi average since comming back from injury.

....not too long ago AB couldn't shoot it in the Ocean...
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 08:27:43 PM
Olynyk is awful.

If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.

So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Give him another year before you give up on him.  It was an awful draft class.  He was an ok college player with limited upside.
I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.

There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.

He's just not good.
He's definitely in over his head.  I'll tell you one thing.  This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair.  He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle.  I can't take him serious.  He looks like an idiot out there.

Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player.  You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.

lol.  yea the hair isn't cute anymore.

He's got to go the Robert Swift route, shave his head, get some tats, then he will be all set
I was thinking the same thing.  Lol.

But no... he just needs to go back to short hair so I can take him seriously.

(http://facetimebaby.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/kelly-olynyk-7.jpg)

Maybe grow some facial hair if you're worried about looking like Bieber.   Grow out the eccentric floppy hairstyle when you can back it up with your game.  Adam Morrison all over again.

Who were the folks on this forum who raged when Oly was compared to A-Mo?  A-Mo's rookie campaign looks dominant compared to this.  Someone needs to fess up here.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: TenaciousD on December 22, 2013, 08:28:35 PM
[quote author=I'll tell you one thing.  This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair.  He's too much of  hairstyle.  I can't take him serious.  He looks like an idiot out there
[/quote]. defintely petty.  he wont do any better with a buzz.  worry about his handles.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 22, 2013, 08:36:34 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Tr1boy on December 22, 2013, 08:39:18 PM
Olynyk is awful.

If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.

So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Give him another year before you give up on him.  It was an awful draft class.  He was an ok college player with limited upside.
I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.

There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.

He's just not good.
He's definitely in over his head.  I'll tell you one thing.  This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair.  He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle.  I can't take him serious.  He looks like an idiot out there.

Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player.  You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.

You have unreal expectations. He is a rookie. What are bennett, cody zeller and majority of the top 15 doing also?

And tell me , who did u want to have drafted then past olynyk?

The guy needs 1 yr of experience , gain a better body and then lets judge. Tonight he still did decent with his rebounding and passing especially. He is a stretch 4 also and not a dominant defensive player. We all knew that
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on December 22, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

I agree.

I was pretty unhappy with the pick when it happened but tried to buy into the Summer league hype.

Still think his "best case" scenario is a Spencer Hawes type player. Solid but nothing special.

Edit: I really wanted Shabazz Muhammed so I wasn't all the way right
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Tr1boy on December 22, 2013, 08:44:42 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 08:45:23 PM
Olynyk is awful.

If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.

So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Give him another year before you give up on him.  It was an awful draft class.  He was an ok college player with limited upside.
I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.

There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.

He's just not good.
He's definitely in over his head.  I'll tell you one thing.  This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair.  He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle.  I can't take him serious.  He looks like an idiot out there.

Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player.  You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.

You have unreal expectations. He is a rookie. What are bennett, cody zeller and majority of the top 15 doing also?

And tell me , who did u want to have drafted then past olynyk?

The guy needs 1 yr of experience , gain a better body and then lets judge. Tonight he still did decent with his rebounding and passing especially. He is a stretch 4 also and not a dominant defensive player. We all knew that
I don't have unrealistic expectations.  I think it was pretty clear this was a garbage draft.  Ainge himself was quick to set expectations on Oly as someone who could be a good role player some day.  No star potential.  He's a bit of a stiff.  He could have a nice career... he could out of the league in a couple years.  One of the worst draft classes ever has lived up to expectations.

The fact that this draft class was pegged as a disaster and lived up to the hype really adds to the credibility of this upcoming "transcendent" draft coming up.  There's some stars comin.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: rondohondo on December 22, 2013, 08:47:09 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

I agree.

I was pretty unhappy with the pick when it happened but tried to buy into the Summer league hype.

Still think his "best case" scenario is a Spencer Hawes type player. Solid but nothing special.
I thoughtt olynyk was going to be a hansborough type, but he is really soft

Wanted Danny to draft giannis, he has a chance to be special
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: coco on December 22, 2013, 08:51:34 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.


KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter.  Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist.  That, I didn't know he had.  He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass.  So the knock is his defense and shooting.  His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 08:53:05 PM
We need a big losing streak.  We're only 1.5 games out of a Top 8 pick.  Freakin Atlantic Division is going to ruin the whole plan for the year.  Time to dump Bass, Lee, Green for expiring contracts.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Tr1boy on December 22, 2013, 08:58:50 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.


KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter.  Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist.  That, I didn't know he had.  He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass.  So the knock is his defense and shooting.  His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.

Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.

Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender.  He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.
 
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 09:03:17 PM
Awwww... Toronto was winning at half, but now they are down 10.  So much for the Raptors taking the top of the Atlantic from us.  :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBWQCHb95rg
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: BleedGreen1989 on December 22, 2013, 09:06:40 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.


KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter.  Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist.  That, I didn't know he had.  He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass.  So the knock is his defense and shooting.  His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.

Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.

Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender.  He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.

I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Tr1boy on December 22, 2013, 09:12:01 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.


KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter.  Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist.  That, I didn't know he had.  He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass.  So the knock is his defense and shooting.  His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.

Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.

Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender.  He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.

I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.

i disagree.  Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?

It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 22, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.


KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter.  Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist.  That, I didn't know he had.  He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass.  So the knock is his defense and shooting.  His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.

Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.

Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender.  He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.

I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.

i disagree.  Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?

It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 09:30:58 PM
Rondo says he's not coming back in January.  Come on... TANK!!!!  http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231186/Rajon-Rondo-Return-In-January-Isnt-Realistic
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Nerf DPOY on December 22, 2013, 09:41:37 PM
Rondo says he's not coming back in January.  Come on... TANK!!!!  http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231186/Rajon-Rondo-Return-In-January-Isnt-Realistic

And the Raptors came back to win.

Edit: The relevance being about dropping in the standings.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Tr1boy on December 22, 2013, 09:45:55 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.


KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter.  Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist.  That, I didn't know he had.  He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass.  So the knock is his defense and shooting.  His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.

Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.

Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender.  He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.

I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.

i disagree.  Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?

It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.

He has not got dominated by his own guy (a nba pf). Maybe a few times but in general no. If he is on the court with other guys that are not doing their job, he can't save them either

and this is where ppl are mad at him.

He is going to be fine. Remember he is also coming back from an ankle injury and just getting warmed up.  He should be out there with Sullinger or Faverani more and not Bass or Humphries
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 22, 2013, 09:50:35 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.


KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter.  Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist.  That, I didn't know he had.  He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass.  So the knock is his defense and shooting.  His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.

Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.

Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender.  He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.

I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.

i disagree.  Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?

It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.

He has not got dominated by his own guy (a nba pf). Maybe a few times but in general no. If he is on the court with other guys that are not doing their job, he can't save them either

and this is where ppl are mad at him.

He is going to be fine. Remember he is also coming back from an ankle injury and just getting warmed up.  He should be out there with Sullinger or Faverani more and not Bass or Humphries
Let me just state now I completely disagree with just about everything you say regarding Olynyk and leave it at that and agree to disagree. If in three years he is still in the league in a Bargani type career, well, good for him and you will be right about him and I will happily say I am wrong.

I just hope if he is out of the league in a year or two you will be big enough to admit you were all wrong about him.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Tr1boy on December 22, 2013, 09:59:47 PM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.


KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter.  Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist.  That, I didn't know he had.  He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass.  So the knock is his defense and shooting.  His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.

Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.

Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender.  He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.

I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.

i disagree.  Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?

It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.

He has not got dominated by his own guy (a nba pf). Maybe a few times but in general no. If he is on the court with other guys that are not doing their job, he can't save them either

and this is where ppl are mad at him.

He is going to be fine. Remember he is also coming back from an ankle injury and just getting warmed up.  He should be out there with Sullinger or Faverani more and not Bass or Humphries
Let me just state now I completely disagree with just about everything you say regarding Olynyk and leave it at that and agree to disagree. If in three years he is still in the league in a Bargani type career, well, good for him and you will be right about him and I will happily say I am wrong.

I just hope if he is out of the league in a year or two you will be big enough to admit you were all wrong about him.

If he is out of the league, i will admit i was wrong. It could be as soon as next year actually

But i have faith.  The sullinger and olynyk experiment needs a longer run also
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 22, 2013, 11:23:36 PM
Rondo says he's not coming back in January.  Come on... TANK!!!!  http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231186/Rajon-Rondo-Return-In-January-Isnt-Realistic

And the Raptors came back to win.

Edit: The relevance being about dropping in the standings.
Woah!  A tanking double-whammy!  We're now a game behind Toronto for the Atlantic. 
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: celtic -_- pride on December 23, 2013, 02:08:30 AM
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.

Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.

Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.


KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter.  Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist.  That, I didn't know he had.  He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass.  So the knock is his defense and shooting.  His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.

Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.

Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender.  He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.

I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.

i disagree.  Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?

It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.

He has not got dominated by his own guy (a nba pf). Maybe a few times but in general no. If he is on the court with other guys that are not doing their job, he can't save them either

and this is where ppl are mad at him.

He is going to be fine. Remember he is also coming back from an ankle injury and just getting warmed up.  He should be out there with Sullinger or Faverani more and not Bass or Humphries
i agree i was starting to become rather impressed with the KO/sully duo. they were developing some great chemistry. but lets all take this as a reminder that summer league really doesnt mean anything. he beasted SL and now he can barely get 6 points 4 boards consistently. the year is still early though he has time for redemption. and hopefully he gets stronger. he is getting bullied in the paint.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: pokeKingCurtis on December 23, 2013, 03:53:01 AM
As a disclaimer, I'm one of those who are pretty happy with Olynyk, maybe a little too optimistic.

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Using age to eval a player is wrong

If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?

They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies

Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.

I agree with this.

This, along with the fact that bigs take more time to develop, is why I'm still very much holding out for Olynyk. He's already showing flashes of goodies.

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but lets all take this as a reminder that summer league really doesnt mean anything.

Well, it means a little.

For one, those who can't even compete at that level are probably not going to compete in the NBA at all.

Being unable to "beast" the summer league is kind of telling as well. Being able to "beast" it doesn't mean it'll translate, but there's a chance.

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Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.

Not being an avid college follower, I'm not qualified to completely disagree. But I'm confident he's a better shooter than he's showing right now.

He's not taking tough shots. Those are wide open, in rhythm shots. He's definitely shown the ability to hit those in summer.

And, FWIW, he did very well in the Jazz 100 drill for guards and wings (where players shoot 100 3's in quick succession; Olynyk made 63, the 2nd highest among all who participated and he was doing it against wing players). (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=305915)

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now he can barely get 6 points 4 boards consistently.

Well, in 20 minutes, limited touches and such a messed up roster I think it's decent.

Surprisingly grabs some boards despite being bullied and not having the best hands for rebounding. I like his positioning.

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He has not got dominated by his own guy (a nba pf). Maybe a few times but in general no. If he is on the court with other guys that are not doing their job, he can't save them either

For this reason, I would love to see a solid defensive center on the team. Next to Olynyk and Sully. The center hole makes it such that some players "[can]not do their job". I'm curious as to how Olynyk would look splitting time at PF next to a legit center and at C next to Sully.

Sully is our best center. It's rough.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 23, 2013, 07:49:12 AM
I'm not sure that some of the Kelly Olynyk fans have reviewed his stats to see just how bad he is playing and why he is starting to see less and less minutes in the rotation:

He takes 6.7 shots per game.
He scores 6.6 points a game.
[when you need to take 7 shots a game to score 6-7 points, that is a reaally bad sign.]

His FG% is 38.3%
His 3PT% is 28.1%
His TS% is 45.4%
His eFG% is 40.6%

In case you are wondering, for a shooting guard those stats are abysmal. For a PF/C the are downright crominally bad

His rebound% is 13.6%.
His turnover percentage is 20.7%

[When you are a big and your rebound % isn't above 15%, that's pretty bad. When your turnover% is 20%  that's awful.]

His ORTG is 90
His DRTG is 105

[That means when he is on the floor, after 100 possessions his team is being outscored by 15 points. A ORTG of 90 is anemic]

His Simple rating is 12.9[Which is 2.5 times worse than any other Celtic except Bogans who barely sees the floor]

The team gives up 6.2 more points when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
The team scores 5.7 points less when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
His OWS are below zero and his DWS are almost at 0.
His total win shares are currently at 0.008.

Any way you look at this guy whether statistically or with the eye, he is playing horribly, probably bad enough to warrant not being in the league. His developmental curve is smaller than most rookies because of his age.

Here's hoping Ainge can use him in some trade like he did JuJuan Johnson before he has to cut him because he will be adding two more rookie projects next year.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: DesertDweller on December 23, 2013, 09:01:15 AM
Celtics slowly slipping back to where most fans thought they would be. all of a sudden there's no chemistry.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: esel1000 on December 23, 2013, 09:47:30 AM
Why did Sully only get 16 mins last night? Injury? Rest? I mean getting blown out or not he is our best player and has led some nice comebacks in the 4th, would have rather seen him in than Olynyk for that long
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Tr1boy on December 23, 2013, 11:49:34 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIqIa0o3zyo

I know some people will wonder why i'm putting up a clip of Olynyk getting stuffed. But imo its encouraging to see him be patient, a little selfish and show a glimpse of himself during the SL

He is playing nervous, too worried about feeding the ball to others, setting picks for them and not playing the way he can. We have seen maybe 20 percent of his SL skills so far this year. All of a sudden bc its the nba , the bag of tricks are gone? I refuse to belive it

He is especially good at spinning , or dribbling , spinning then scoring a layup or shooting a jump shot.  This pt fwd crap Stevens has him do 100 percent of the time might be limiting what he can really do out there.

Sullinger last year struggled, got stuffed left and right, but this year is playing the way he can. I know Olynyk can also in time or given much more freedom. Just the only thing i'm not sure is, if he should put on 20 pounds of muscle or thin out like Dirk to take his game to the next level
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 24, 2013, 03:33:02 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIqIa0o3zyo

I know some people will wonder why i'm putting up a clip of Olynyk getting stuffed. But imo its encouraging to see him be patient, a little selfish and show a glimpse of himself during the SL

He is playing nervous, too worried about feeding the ball to others, setting picks for them and not playing the way he can. We have seen maybe 20 percent of his SL skills so far this year. All of a sudden bc its the nba , the bag of tricks are gone? I refuse to belive it

He is especially good at spinning , or dribbling , spinning then scoring a layup or shooting a jump shot.  This pt fwd crap Stevens has him do 100 percent of the time might be limiting what he can really do out there.

Sullinger last year struggled, got stuffed left and right, but this year is playing the way he can. I know Olynyk can also in time or given much more freedom. Just the only thing i'm not sure is, if he should put on 20 pounds of muscle or thin out like Dirk to take his game to the next level
Another explanation for the difference in play between SL and now for Olynyk is that he could pull those moves off versus summer league scrubs that were not concentrating on defense but offense only.

Now he is in the big league playing against NBA rotation players, starters and stars and players playing defense, sometime not so well sometimes superb, and he just can't pull off those moves because he isn't fast enough, quick, enough, or strong enough to do those moves versus seasoned pros.

This is something I discussed when he was going off in the Summer league. That if you stopped looking at his stats and started looking at how quick and physical he was being that there was a good chance he could struggle mightily in the NBA because once real life NBA power forwards were guarding him, his game would suffer.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 24, 2013, 03:47:20 PM
Fasten your seat belts ......the western trip is gonna put us in a step dive that probably takes the Celtics to the NBA basement ....hello Bucks ;D. And nets ......where we  should just stay .....for the lottery......keep rehabbing Rondo.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: DesertDweller on December 25, 2013, 11:42:24 AM
This is a monster 5 game western road trip coming up and the way the Celtics are playing right this minute I don't see a "W" in sight on this tour.
I really hope Stevens is over with the Sully/KO experiment.
Olynyk is getting thrown around like a red headed step child. he is way too slow for whatever it is Stevens is trying to run. I'm really worried about Kelly because I'm not seeing any improvement and teams are not fooled with his over under layups. he becomes very confused when double teamed and is easily stripped of the ball. for him to make it he has to put on some pounds and become way more aggressive!!!
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: cman88 on December 25, 2013, 12:52:17 PM
This is a monster 5 game western road trip coming up and the way the Celtics are playing right this minute I don't see a "W" in sight on this tour.
I really hope Stevens is over with the Sully/KO experiment.
Olynyk is getting thrown around like a red headed step child. he is way too slow for whatever it is Stevens is trying to run. I'm really worried about Kelly because I'm not seeing any improvement and teams are not fooled with his over under layups. he becomes very confused when double teamed and is easily stripped of the ball. for him to make it he has to put on some pounds and become way more aggressive!!!

I would rather see Olynyk get playing time and develop rather than stunting his growth giving those minutes to vets like Bass/Humphries.

This season isn't about winning. its about developing our talent and hopefully getting a high pick. hopefully we lose every game on our western road trip
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: DesertDweller on December 28, 2013, 05:58:00 AM
I just don't get you guys that revel in the Celtics losing for the sake of the possibility at getting a good draft pick.
Besides not being fun to watch, think about the embarrassment the players must feel literally throwing games and what it does for the younger player's morale.

To me, It's a lose, lose situation!!!

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p194/CACTUS1944/NOTANKING1.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/CACTUS1944/media/NOTANKING1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: hwangjini_1 on December 28, 2013, 08:44:22 AM
I'm not sure that some of the Kelly Olynyk fans have reviewed his stats to see just how bad he is playing and why he is starting to see less and less minutes in the rotation:

He takes 6.7 shots per game.
He scores 6.6 points a game.
[when you need to take 7 shots a game to score 6-7 points, that is a reaally bad sign.]

His FG% is 38.3%
His 3PT% is 28.1%
His TS% is 45.4%
His eFG% is 40.6%

In case you are wondering, for a shooting guard those stats are abysmal. For a PF/C the are downright crominally bad

His rebound% is 13.6%.
His turnover percentage is 20.7%

[When you are a big and your rebound % isn't above 15%, that's pretty bad. When your turnover% is 20%  that's awful.]

His ORTG is 90
His DRTG is 105

[That means when he is on the floor, after 100 possessions his team is being outscored by 15 points. A ORTG of 90 is anemic]

His Simple rating is 12.9[Which is 2.5 times worse than any other Celtic except Bogans who barely sees the floor]

The team gives up 6.2 more points when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
The team scores 5.7 points less when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
His OWS are below zero and his DWS are almost at 0.
His total win shares are currently at 0.008.

Any way you look at this guy whether statistically or with the eye, he is playing horribly, probably bad enough to warrant not being in the league. His developmental curve is smaller than most rookies because of his age.

Here's hoping Ainge can use him in some trade like he did JuJuan Johnson before he has to cut him because he will be adding two more rookie projects next year.

Great, now also add one more stat...his total of 19 games played in his entire career. Really guys, this is truly a rush to judgement even by cb standards. (well, maybe not by our standards. ;) )

From what I see so far olly fits with the predictions about him and his abilities. It might be more fruitful to re-evaluate the cb expectations on him than pass a career [dang]ing judgement at this stage.

I was skeptical about the opinions during summer league that olly was a star and might up up 18-29 points a game during the season. I am at least as skeptical that he is a bust, at least based upon his performance so far.

Personally, I think he will be a good, above average offensive front court player, who will be torched by athletic forwards. A great guy to have coming off the bench on a championship team.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: nickagneta on December 28, 2013, 10:38:44 AM
I'm not sure that some of the Kelly Olynyk fans have reviewed his stats to see just how bad he is playing and why he is starting to see less and less minutes in the rotation:

He takes 6.7 shots per game.
He scores 6.6 points a game.
[when you need to take 7 shots a game to score 6-7 points, that is a reaally bad sign.]

His FG% is 38.3%
His 3PT% is 28.1%
His TS% is 45.4%
His eFG% is 40.6%

In case you are wondering, for a shooting guard those stats are abysmal. For a PF/C the are downright crominally bad

His rebound% is 13.6%.
His turnover percentage is 20.7%

[When you are a big and your rebound % isn't above 15%, that's pretty bad. When your turnover% is 20%  that's awful.]

His ORTG is 90
His DRTG is 105

[That means when he is on the floor, after 100 possessions his team is being outscored by 15 points. A ORTG of 90 is anemic]

His Simple rating is 12.9[Which is 2.5 times worse than any other Celtic except Bogans who barely sees the floor]

The team gives up 6.2 more points when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
The team scores 5.7 points less when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
His OWS are below zero and his DWS are almost at 0.
His total win shares are currently at 0.008.

Any way you look at this guy whether statistically or with the eye, he is playing horribly, probably bad enough to warrant not being in the league. His developmental curve is smaller than most rookies because of his age.

Here's hoping Ainge can use him in some trade like he did JuJuan Johnson before he has to cut him because he will be adding two more rookie projects next year.

Great, now also add one more stat...his total of 19 games played in his entire career. Really guys, this is truly a rush to judgement even by cb standards. (well, maybe not by our standards. ;) )

From what I see so far olly fits with the predictions about him and his abilities. It might be more fruitful to re-evaluate the cb expectations on him than pass a career [dang]ing judgement at this stage.

I was skeptical about the opinions during summer league that olly was a star and might up up 18-29 points a game during the season. I am at least as skeptical that he is a bust, at least based upon his performance so far.

Personally, I think he will be a good, above average offensive front court player, who will be torched by athletic forwards. A great guy to have coming off the bench on a championship team.
You do realize that most people that proclaimed him to be something very good to great did so on the stats of 30 college games(I refuse to believe anyone watched more than a few Butler games), some you-tube highlight clips, and 5 Summer League games?

At least watching 19 professional games gives a clear indication of his pluses and minuses against professional competition.

He's played pretty lousy. I think that is hard to debate. The question is can he get better? I happen to think he is what he is for many reasons and won't improve.
Title: Re: Celtics (12-16) at Pacers (21-5) Game #29 12/22
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 28, 2013, 12:09:25 PM
His weaknesses short arms and athletic ability are hard to improve.  Arms can't be except by hustle and smarts to compensate.  Speed really can only be improved marginally.  Strength can be improved a lot.  His confidence is shot right now.   I like guys who play on an even keel and hate confidence guys.   When all is going well they do ok but when things get tough or not going well they struggle.   That is not Celtic heart or the heart of a champion to me.  Luck is the residue of preparation being 7 foot alone won't cut it now in the NBA.  He has to develop a niche or skill. 

I have a dim view of Canadian Imports aside from beer the more I see of their games.  He could be an ok backup but starter, I am not seeing it.