If they sit Hibbert the whole game ...it would be close to a game .lol predict a competitive game through the half followed by another third quarter collapse when Paul George gets going
I think the loss tonight will put Toronto at the top of the Atlantic. LOL... they are going to be so mad. What a frustrating season for Eastern Conference tankers. Brooklyn and New York threw everyone off.
Good news is that we're right on the verge of the lotto. We're still in this baby. Wiggins or bust!
I think the loss tonight will put Toronto at the top of the Atlantic. LOL... they are going to be so mad. What a frustrating season for Eastern Conference tankers. Brooklyn and New York threw everyone off.
Good news is that we're right on the verge of the lotto. We're still in this baby. Wiggins or bust!
Hibbert should be able to do whatever he wants inside.Aaaand it's looking like you're correct. 10 points on 5-6 shooting with 5 rebounds.
What the hell was Green doing on D on that last play? Switched off of Hill inexplicably and left him wide open.
So first EVER post on here for me. I've been very active on the site/reading the forums for years now and finally got around to getting a login approved and such! I've gotta say, not nearly as much participation on the game threads recently than in the past! Anyway, glad to be here and ready to start contributing! I love you guys and this place!
Getting sick of Crawford.
Watching Jeff Green disappear for entire games and halves at a time is maddening.
Watching Jeff Green disappear for entire games and halves at a time is maddening.
This game should be proof that we are not a real playoff team. I so desperately want Ainge to commit to a direction. I personally want him to trade out of the playoffs and play to our strength and right now that is our number of draft picks. Can't stand this mediocrity
Getting sick of Crawford.
I'm a bit worried that he's going to lose the trade value that he built up
Yea I mean from an entertainment stand point there has been some great games to watch but I want to witness another championship. No one expected the NY disasters so IThis game should be proof that we are not a real playoff team. I so desperately want Ainge to commit to a direction. I personally want him to trade out of the playoffs and play to our strength and right now that is our number of draft picks. Can't stand this mediocrity
It will truly be a travesty if we win the titanic division... These last three games have proven that. Either get blown out or lose big leads.
1. This team is very young and inconsistency will happen. They seem to go on 3-4 games losing streaks and then 3-4 games winning streaks. No need to despair during the losing streaks. They are going to happen.
2. This concept that player's trade value changes from game to game and week to week is fan fantasy basketball stuff and GMs in the NBA do not view things like that. Its nonsensical to think that a players value for trading changes game to game based on their performances. Sorry people, that's just not how it works.
You were correct as well.If they sit Hibbert the whole game ...it would be close to a game .lol predict a competitive game through the half followed by another third quarter collapse when Paul George gets going
3 years of this with Jeff Green up and down. Ive seen enough >:(Jeff is what he is. I don't expect much from him anymore
I think it takes months and months of play to change trade value in any meaningful way and Crawford was gotten for garbage and probably is still on this team because any offers the C's are getting is sending garbage back to us for him.1. This team is very young and inconsistency will happen. They seem to go on 3-4 games losing streaks and then 3-4 games winning streaks. No need to despair during the losing streaks. They are going to happen.
2. This concept that player's trade value changes from game to game and week to week is fan fantasy basketball stuff and GMs in the NBA do not view things like that. Its nonsensical to think that a players value for trading changes game to game based on their performances. Sorry people, that's just not how it works.
game to game, sure, value doesn't change, but during the season of course it does. Crawford's trade value has certainly increased since the beginning of the season, and if he reverts to his selfish, boneheaded play his value will return back to preseason level.
Olynyk is awful.Give him another year before you give up on him. It was an awful draft class. He was an ok college player with limited upside.
If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.
So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.Olynyk is awful.Give him another year before you give up on him. It was an awful draft class. He was an ok college player with limited upside.
If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.
So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
Personally, I don't see how he(KO)hurts you more than having Bass out thereThis is a joke, right?
He's definitely in over his head. I'll tell you one thing. This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair. He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle. I can't take him serious. He looks like an idiot out there.I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.Olynyk is awful.Give him another year before you give up on him. It was an awful draft class. He was an ok college player with limited upside.
If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.
So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.
He's just not good.
I haven't seen anything from Olynyk on the boards that indicates he's worth keeping.Personally, I don't see how he(KO)hurts you more than having Bass out thereThis is a joke, right?
Bass has given this team about 10-11 PPG, 5-6 RPG, shoots extremely well from his range and plays great defense.
Olynyk hasn't shown he can do any of those things except rebound and even then, usually not against the better rebounding team's rotational players.
Jeez people are pretty teary eyed over Olynyk. Remember when Bradley absolutely sacked his first few years in the league
Personally, I don't see how he(KO)hurts you more than having Bass out thereThis is a joke, right?
Bass has given this team about 10-11 PPG, 5-6 RPG, shoots extremely well from his range and plays great defense.
Olynyk hasn't shown he can do any of those things except rebound and even then, usually not against the better rebounding team's rotational players.
He's definitely in over his head. I'll tell you one thing. This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair. He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle. I can't take him serious. He looks like an idiot out there.I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.Olynyk is awful.Give him another year before you give up on him. It was an awful draft class. He was an ok college player with limited upside.
If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.
So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.
He's just not good.
Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player. You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.
He's definitely in over his head. I'll tell you one thing. This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair. He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle. I can't take him serious. He looks like an idiot out there.I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.Olynyk is awful.Give him another year before you give up on him. It was an awful draft class. He was an ok college player with limited upside.
If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.
So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.
He's just not good.
Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player. You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.
lol. yea the hair isn't cute anymore.
Personally, I don't see how he(KO)hurts you more than having Bass out thereThis is a joke, right?
Bass has given this team about 10-11 PPG, 5-6 RPG, shoots extremely well from his range and plays great defense.
Olynyk hasn't shown he can do any of those things except rebound and even then, usually not against the better rebounding team's rotational players.
I was thinking the same thing. Lol.He's definitely in over his head. I'll tell you one thing. This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair. He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle. I can't take him serious. He looks like an idiot out there.I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.Olynyk is awful.Give him another year before you give up on him. It was an awful draft class. He was an ok college player with limited upside.
If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.
So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.
He's just not good.
Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player. You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.
lol. yea the hair isn't cute anymore.
He's got to go the Robert Swift route, shave his head, get some tats, then he will be all set
He's definitely in over his head. I'll tell you one thing. This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair. He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle. I can't take him serious. He looks like an idiot out there.I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.Olynyk is awful.Give him another year before you give up on him. It was an awful draft class. He was an ok college player with limited upside.
If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.
So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.
He's just not good.
Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player. You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
I don't have unrealistic expectations. I think it was pretty clear this was a garbage draft. Ainge himself was quick to set expectations on Oly as someone who could be a good role player some day. No star potential. He's a bit of a stiff. He could have a nice career... he could out of the league in a couple years. One of the worst draft classes ever has lived up to expectations.He's definitely in over his head. I'll tell you one thing. This is petty and ridiculous, but he needs to cut his hair. He's too much of a bum to have an eccentric hairstyle. I can't take him serious. He looks like an idiot out there.I gave upon him on draft day. The same way I did with JR Giddens, JaJuan Johnson and Fab Melo. My only hope is Danny gives up on him before committing past next year on his contract.Olynyk is awful.Give him another year before you give up on him. It was an awful draft class. He was an ok college player with limited upside.
If Larbd33's theory on players peaking at 23 is correct, then what Olymyk is doing this year is what you should expect his whole career because he'll be 23 in April.
So that's a poor shooting, horrid defending, weak, slow tall guy that hustles his way to some rebounds and will cost your team points every time he is on the floor.
There's a poster on this board quoting me in his sig stating Olynyk would be another JJJ, Jerome Moiso, Adam Morrison and others. I think he put it in his sig to make fun of me. I still stand by that quote after watching Olynyk this year.
He's just not good.
Save the eccentric hairstyle for when you're actually a relevant player. You should be embarrassed to be known more for your lovely locks than your basketball skills.
You have unreal expectations. He is a rookie. What are bennett, cody zeller and majority of the top 15 doing also?
And tell me , who did u want to have drafted then past olynyk?
The guy needs 1 yr of experience , gain a better body and then lets judge. Tonight he still did decent with his rebounding and passing especially. He is a stretch 4 also and not a dominant defensive player. We all knew that
I thoughtt olynyk was going to be a hansborough type, but he is really softDifference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
I agree.
I was pretty unhappy with the pick when it happened but tried to buy into the Summer league hype.
Still think his "best case" scenario is a Spencer Hawes type player. Solid but nothing special.
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter. Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist. That, I didn't know he had. He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass. So the knock is his defense and shooting. His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter. Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist. That, I didn't know he had. He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass. So the knock is his defense and shooting. His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.
Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.
Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender. He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.
Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter. Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist. That, I didn't know he had. He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass. So the knock is his defense and shooting. His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.
Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.
Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender. He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.
I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.
I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter. Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist. That, I didn't know he had. He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass. So the knock is his defense and shooting. His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.
Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.
Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender. He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.
I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.
i disagree. Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?
It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
Rondo says he's not coming back in January. Come on... TANK!!!! http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231186/Rajon-Rondo-Return-In-January-Isnt-Realistic
I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter. Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist. That, I didn't know he had. He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass. So the knock is his defense and shooting. His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.
Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.
Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender. He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.
I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.
i disagree. Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?
It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
Let me just state now I completely disagree with just about everything you say regarding Olynyk and leave it at that and agree to disagree. If in three years he is still in the league in a Bargani type career, well, good for him and you will be right about him and I will happily say I am wrong.I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter. Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist. That, I didn't know he had. He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass. So the knock is his defense and shooting. His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.
Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.
Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender. He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.
I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.
i disagree. Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?
It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
He has not got dominated by his own guy (a nba pf). Maybe a few times but in general no. If he is on the court with other guys that are not doing their job, he can't save them either
and this is where ppl are mad at him.
He is going to be fine. Remember he is also coming back from an ankle injury and just getting warmed up. He should be out there with Sullinger or Faverani more and not Bass or Humphries
Let me just state now I completely disagree with just about everything you say regarding Olynyk and leave it at that and agree to disagree. If in three years he is still in the league in a Bargani type career, well, good for him and you will be right about him and I will happily say I am wrong.I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter. Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist. That, I didn't know he had. He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass. So the knock is his defense and shooting. His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.
Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.
Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender. He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.
I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.
i disagree. Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?
It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
He has not got dominated by his own guy (a nba pf). Maybe a few times but in general no. If he is on the court with other guys that are not doing their job, he can't save them either
and this is where ppl are mad at him.
He is going to be fine. Remember he is also coming back from an ankle injury and just getting warmed up. He should be out there with Sullinger or Faverani more and not Bass or Humphries
I just hope if he is out of the league in a year or two you will be big enough to admit you were all wrong about him.
Woah! A tanking double-whammy! We're now a game behind Toronto for the Atlantic.Rondo says he's not coming back in January. Come on... TANK!!!! http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231186/Rajon-Rondo-Return-In-January-Isnt-Realistic
And the Raptors came back to win.
Edit: The relevance being about dropping in the standings.
i agree i was starting to become rather impressed with the KO/sully duo. they were developing some great chemistry. but lets all take this as a reminder that summer league really doesnt mean anything. he beasted SL and now he can barely get 6 points 4 boards consistently. the year is still early though he has time for redemption. and hopefully he gets stronger. he is getting bullied in the paint.I know +/- stats aren't the best but Olynyk has some of the worst +/- stats in the league and usually the players with the worst +/- stats in the league are getting dominated by just about anyone who plays against them.Difference between Bradley and Olynyk is he sucked in the league when he was 19. Bradley is only 6 months older than Olynyk and now is a top defender in the league while being a very good shooter.
Olynyk sucks when he is just 4 months shy of being 23. Big difference in my mind. If Olynyk was a 19 year old kid like Bradley and Sully was when they entered the league that would be different. But he's not. Pretty much he is what he is at this point.
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
KO came into the league with the reputation of a good shooter. Obviously that is no the case at the moment, but can't deny the 6pts a game he gives you just by making a great pass and collecting the assist. That, I didn't know he had. He is rebounding the ball better, not great but just as good/bad as Bass. So the knock is his defense and shooting. His shooting will come around, and as long as he learns team defense...he/we should be ok with the pick.
Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.
Also like i said it is extremely unfair to want him to be a traditional Center defender. He going to be closer to a defender that Nowitzki is vs Chandler or Asik. Maybe he still might but i doubt he will be.
I don't even consider Olynyk a center. He's a 4 all the way to me but he'll likely get exposed defensively anywhere you put him on the court.
i disagree. Which PF has dominated Olynyk this year?
It's when stevens forces Olynyk against guys like Gasol, Pekovic , Hibbert, that he has had trouble
He has not got dominated by his own guy (a nba pf). Maybe a few times but in general no. If he is on the court with other guys that are not doing their job, he can't save them either
and this is where ppl are mad at him.
He is going to be fine. Remember he is also coming back from an ankle injury and just getting warmed up. He should be out there with Sullinger or Faverani more and not Bass or Humphries
Using age to eval a player is wrong
If a rookie is 25, suddenly he should play like a third yr player?
They have less time to make their mark but one yr of mistakes or getting their feet wet are allowed for all rookies
Olynyk ppl forget had a unique situation in being a pg and having a crazy growth spurt. Last yr was his first yr as a center. This is his 2nd yr in total and 1st yr in the nba trying to understand and figure out how to play close to the basket.(just in general play pro ball). Give him a break.
but lets all take this as a reminder that summer league really doesnt mean anything.
Olynyk had a good rep as a good shooter for a PF or Center. Not a good or great shooter in general.
now he can barely get 6 points 4 boards consistently.
He has not got dominated by his own guy (a nba pf). Maybe a few times but in general no. If he is on the court with other guys that are not doing their job, he can't save them either
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIqIa0o3zyoAnother explanation for the difference in play between SL and now for Olynyk is that he could pull those moves off versus summer league scrubs that were not concentrating on defense but offense only.
I know some people will wonder why i'm putting up a clip of Olynyk getting stuffed. But imo its encouraging to see him be patient, a little selfish and show a glimpse of himself during the SL
He is playing nervous, too worried about feeding the ball to others, setting picks for them and not playing the way he can. We have seen maybe 20 percent of his SL skills so far this year. All of a sudden bc its the nba , the bag of tricks are gone? I refuse to belive it
He is especially good at spinning , or dribbling , spinning then scoring a layup or shooting a jump shot. This pt fwd crap Stevens has him do 100 percent of the time might be limiting what he can really do out there.
Sullinger last year struggled, got stuffed left and right, but this year is playing the way he can. I know Olynyk can also in time or given much more freedom. Just the only thing i'm not sure is, if he should put on 20 pounds of muscle or thin out like Dirk to take his game to the next level
This is a monster 5 game western road trip coming up and the way the Celtics are playing right this minute I don't see a "W" in sight on this tour.
I really hope Stevens is over with the Sully/KO experiment.
Olynyk is getting thrown around like a red headed step child. he is way too slow for whatever it is Stevens is trying to run. I'm really worried about Kelly because I'm not seeing any improvement and teams are not fooled with his over under layups. he becomes very confused when double teamed and is easily stripped of the ball. for him to make it he has to put on some pounds and become way more aggressive!!!
I'm not sure that some of the Kelly Olynyk fans have reviewed his stats to see just how bad he is playing and why he is starting to see less and less minutes in the rotation:
He takes 6.7 shots per game.
He scores 6.6 points a game.
[when you need to take 7 shots a game to score 6-7 points, that is a reaally bad sign.]
His FG% is 38.3%
His 3PT% is 28.1%
His TS% is 45.4%
His eFG% is 40.6%
In case you are wondering, for a shooting guard those stats are abysmal. For a PF/C the are downright crominally bad
His rebound% is 13.6%.
His turnover percentage is 20.7%
[When you are a big and your rebound % isn't above 15%, that's pretty bad. When your turnover% is 20% that's awful.]
His ORTG is 90
His DRTG is 105
[That means when he is on the floor, after 100 possessions his team is being outscored by 15 points. A ORTG of 90 is anemic]
His Simple rating is 12.9[Which is 2.5 times worse than any other Celtic except Bogans who barely sees the floor]
The team gives up 6.2 more points when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
The team scores 5.7 points less when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
His OWS are below zero and his DWS are almost at 0.
His total win shares are currently at 0.008.
Any way you look at this guy whether statistically or with the eye, he is playing horribly, probably bad enough to warrant not being in the league. His developmental curve is smaller than most rookies because of his age.
Here's hoping Ainge can use him in some trade like he did JuJuan Johnson before he has to cut him because he will be adding two more rookie projects next year.
You do realize that most people that proclaimed him to be something very good to great did so on the stats of 30 college games(I refuse to believe anyone watched more than a few Butler games), some you-tube highlight clips, and 5 Summer League games?I'm not sure that some of the Kelly Olynyk fans have reviewed his stats to see just how bad he is playing and why he is starting to see less and less minutes in the rotation:
He takes 6.7 shots per game.
He scores 6.6 points a game.
[when you need to take 7 shots a game to score 6-7 points, that is a reaally bad sign.]
His FG% is 38.3%
His 3PT% is 28.1%
His TS% is 45.4%
His eFG% is 40.6%
In case you are wondering, for a shooting guard those stats are abysmal. For a PF/C the are downright crominally bad
His rebound% is 13.6%.
His turnover percentage is 20.7%
[When you are a big and your rebound % isn't above 15%, that's pretty bad. When your turnover% is 20% that's awful.]
His ORTG is 90
His DRTG is 105
[That means when he is on the floor, after 100 possessions his team is being outscored by 15 points. A ORTG of 90 is anemic]
His Simple rating is 12.9[Which is 2.5 times worse than any other Celtic except Bogans who barely sees the floor]
The team gives up 6.2 more points when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
The team scores 5.7 points less when he is on the floor over 48 minutes than when he is off.
His OWS are below zero and his DWS are almost at 0.
His total win shares are currently at 0.008.
Any way you look at this guy whether statistically or with the eye, he is playing horribly, probably bad enough to warrant not being in the league. His developmental curve is smaller than most rookies because of his age.
Here's hoping Ainge can use him in some trade like he did JuJuan Johnson before he has to cut him because he will be adding two more rookie projects next year.
Great, now also add one more stat...his total of 19 games played in his entire career. Really guys, this is truly a rush to judgement even by cb standards. (well, maybe not by our standards. ;) )
From what I see so far olly fits with the predictions about him and his abilities. It might be more fruitful to re-evaluate the cb expectations on him than pass a career [dang]ing judgement at this stage.
I was skeptical about the opinions during summer league that olly was a star and might up up 18-29 points a game during the season. I am at least as skeptical that he is a bust, at least based upon his performance so far.
Personally, I think he will be a good, above average offensive front court player, who will be torched by athletic forwards. A great guy to have coming off the bench on a championship team.