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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: action781 on November 13, 2013, 11:54:41 PM
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Real tough guy pushing Ibaka in that OKC/LAC game... I'd like to see a cage dropped around them and see how eager Barnes is to push Ibaka without his teammates and refs around to separate them. What a soft loser.
I can't believe Ibaka got ejected. His arm was locked in by Blake. He ripped it back to himself. Barnes comes out of nowhere and pushes him. This league is so soft and full of a bunch of soft phonies.
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Matt Barnes is one of those players that I assume is awesome to have as a teammate and a real drag to play against.
Not unlike Kevin Garnett.
No way Ibaka should've been ejected, though.
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
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As Jalen Rose just said, you don't want to mess up your hand by punching someone else.
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I don't think Matt Barnes is soft though. Not at all.
One of the ultimate "hate him if he is not on your team" guys.
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Matt Barnes is one of those players that I assume is awesome to have as a teammate and a real drag to play against.
Not unlike Kevin Garnett.
No way Ibaka should've been ejected, though.
Absolutely no reason. Refs did a job on OKC there.
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
I think a lot of guys feel that way. I personally do not. I also can spend an entire Sunday watching youtube videos of NBA fights from the 80s. Larry Bird is in a few of them..although I bet he agrees with you now more then me.
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Oh man, I forgot about the below-the-belt hit last year.
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Yeah Barnes might be a punk, but I don't think he's soft.
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/14/serge-ibaka-and-matt-barnes-ejected-after-altercation-involving-blake-griffin-video/
If you watch the video, Ibaka has a perfect right cross opportunity when he gets back in Barnes face, even had fist raised, but thought better of it.
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
I think a lot of guys feel that way. I personally do not. I also can spend an entire Sunday watching youtube videos of NBA fights from the 80s. Larry Bird is in a few of them..although I bet he agrees with you now more then me.
Same.
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
I think a lot of guys feel that way. I personally do not. I also can spend an entire Sunday watching youtube videos of NBA fights from the 80s. Larry Bird is in a few of them..although I bet he agrees with you now more then me.
Same.
If these guys started throwing punches on a regular basis, it would get ugly for the image of the league. I suspect that there are a lot of folks out there who already think that large, tattooed, black men who earn a lot of money and play basketball for a living are "punks" or "thugs" by nature.
For me, I have no desire to see that stereotype re-enforced by seeing NBA players getting into fist fights. To me, the game of basketball doesn't need that in any way, shape, or form.
Luckily, for you guys, you'll always have your '80s NBA fight compilations on YouTube.
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
I think a lot of guys feel that way. I personally do not. I also can spend an entire Sunday watching youtube videos of NBA fights from the 80s. Larry Bird is in a few of them..although I bet he agrees with you now more then me.
Same.
If these guys started throwing punches on a regular basis, it would get ugly for the image of the league. I suspect that there are a lot of folks out there who already think that large, tattooed, black men who earn a lot of money and play basketball for a living are "punks" or "thugs" by nature.
For me, I have no desire to see that stereotype re-enforced by seeing NBA players getting into fist fights. To me, the game of basketball doesn't need that in any way, shape, or form.
Luckily, for you guys, you'll always have your '80s NBA fight compilations on YouTube.
I think that's probably the view of lots of the guys who run the league. Probably really sound too. But for me as a consumer, Id rather see a brawl once and a while. Baseball gets them , hockey gets them, football gets them, but not basketball. Not fair.
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
I think a lot of guys feel that way. I personally do not. I also can spend an entire Sunday watching youtube videos of NBA fights from the 80s. Larry Bird is in a few of them..although I bet he agrees with you now more then me.
Same.
If these guys started throwing punches on a regular basis, it would get ugly for the image of the league. I suspect that there are a lot of folks out there who already think that large, tattooed, black men who earn a lot of money and play basketball for a living are "punks" or "thugs" by nature.
For me, I have no desire to see that stereotype re-enforced by seeing NBA players getting into fist fights. To me, the game of basketball doesn't need that in any way, shape, or form.
Luckily, for you guys, you'll always have your '80s NBA fight compilations on YouTube.
I think that's probably the view of lots of the guys who run the league. Probably really sound too. But for me as a consumer, Id rather see a brawl once and a while. Baseball gets them , hockey gets them, football gets them, but not basketball. Not fair.
Be honest, you just want another Malice so we can get some of the Pacers in the redisbursement draft.
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
I think a lot of guys feel that way. I personally do not. I also can spend an entire Sunday watching youtube videos of NBA fights from the 80s. Larry Bird is in a few of them..although I bet he agrees with you now more then me.
Same.
If these guys started throwing punches on a regular basis, it would get ugly for the image of the league. I suspect that there are a lot of folks out there who already think that large, tattooed, black men who earn a lot of money and play basketball for a living are "punks" or "thugs" by nature.
For me, I have no desire to see that stereotype re-enforced by seeing NBA players getting into fist fights. To me, the game of basketball doesn't need that in any way, shape, or form.
Luckily, for you guys, you'll always have your '80s NBA fight compilations on YouTube.
I think that's probably the view of lots of the guys who run the league. Probably really sound too. But for me as a consumer, Id rather see a brawl once and a while. Baseball gets them , hockey gets them, football gets them, but not basketball. Not fair.
Life's not fair, but at least you can console yourself with the fact that when you watch a basketball game, you actually get to watch a game that's enjoyable to watch.
You don't need to wait for a fight to break out to make it worthwhile.
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It's not hockey.
Barnes is one of those guys whose play deserves a punch though. This is the wrong sport for that though. A lot of physical specimens but not a lot of real fighting skill. It's all about pretending to be hard and putting on a tough front in the NBA.
The times people have shown real fighting skill bad things happened. Any one ever seen the Kermit Washington punch? Twas Brutal.
http://www.realclearhistory.com/video/2012/12/09/kermit_washington_after_the_punch.html
around 1:59
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NBA 'fights' are a joke. A joke. There is not one tough guy in that league.
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I hate Barnes. Hes always been a Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.. No way Ibaka should have been ejected. Barnes stays out of that play and nothing happens, game moves on.
Barnes eject
Griffin and Ibaka Techs is what I would have called.
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As Jalen Rose just said, you don't want to mess up your hand by punching someone else.
And that's why I am more likely to kick someone rather than punch someone in a fight.
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His tweet made me dislike him even more.
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Plus, very few people in the NBA know how to fight. (similar to offensive line men in the NFL)
So many of them grew up being the biggest kid in the area, no one really wanted to get into a fight with them anyways.
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As Jalen Rose just said, you don't want to mess up your hand by punching someone else.
And that's why I am more likely to kick someone rather than punch someone in a fight.
Problem with that, and with the elbows, is that can be considered assault with a deadly weapon.
Clearly, the right answer is to get someone else to do the punching.
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My immediate thought right after he shoved Ibaka was that "You, Matt Barnes, are a freaking punk!"
Good thing Perk wasn't out there, or he would have beat Barnes skinny you know what"
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I don't know if I'm watching the correct video, but from what I'm seeing I have ZERO problem with what Barnes did. Ibaka began it with pushing Griffin on the back, Barnes hit back to protect him.
We used to be prideful of having players like that around here, doing this exact sort of thing.
Not that I don't think Barnes is a punk, but in this case, I don't get the whole hoopla going after Barnes' head.
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Oh, there's also the part with the since-deleted Barnes tweet:
I love my teammates like family, but I’m DONE standing up for these [N-word]! All this [expletive] does is cost me money..
Oh boy.
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This was an overreaction from tha refs in my opinion. OKC got screwed over. There's no way Ibaka shoulda been ejected from that game. Griffin was clamped down on Ibaka's arm and he sorta flung him off to free it but what did that have to do with Barnes? Look at it as him "taking up" for his teammate but what he did was unnecessary and had he not stepped in it would have ended with Ibaka just freeing his arm. That push from Barnes escalated everything.
At worst that shoulda been double techs.
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He's better than Rick Barnes
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
I think a lot of guys feel that way. I personally do not. I also can spend an entire Sunday watching youtube videos of NBA fights from the 80s. Larry Bird is in a few of them..although I bet he agrees with you now more then me.
Same.
If these guys started throwing punches on a regular basis, it would get ugly for the image of the league. I suspect that there are a lot of folks out there who already think that large, tattooed, black men who earn a lot of money and play basketball for a living are "punks" or "thugs" by nature.
For me, I have no desire to see that stereotype re-enforced by seeing NBA players getting into fist fights. To me, the game of basketball doesn't need that in any way, shape, or form.
Luckily, for you guys, you'll always have your '80s NBA fight compilations on YouTube.
I think that's probably the view of lots of the guys who run the league. Probably really sound too. But for me as a consumer, Id rather see a brawl once and a while. Baseball gets them , hockey gets them, football gets them, but not basketball. Not fair.
Life's not fair, but at least you can console yourself with the fact that when you watch a basketball game, you actually get to watch a game that's enjoyable to watch.
You don't need to wait for a fight to break out to make it worthwhile.
Would rather see a punch every once in a while than the same old slam dunks on sports center.
We are supposed to be impressed by these guys dunking who are 2 feet taller than us. SWEET!
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
I think a lot of guys feel that way. I personally do not. I also can spend an entire Sunday watching youtube videos of NBA fights from the 80s. Larry Bird is in a few of them..although I bet he agrees with you now more then me.
Same.
If these guys started throwing punches on a regular basis, it would get ugly for the image of the league. I suspect that there are a lot of folks out there who already think that large, tattooed, black men who earn a lot of money and play basketball for a living are "punks" or "thugs" by nature.
For me, I have no desire to see that stereotype re-enforced by seeing NBA players getting into fist fights. To me, the game of basketball doesn't need that in any way, shape, or form.
Luckily, for you guys, you'll always have your '80s NBA fight compilations on YouTube.
I think that's probably the view of lots of the guys who run the league. Probably really sound too. But for me as a consumer, Id rather see a brawl once and a while. Baseball gets them , hockey gets them, football gets them, but not basketball. Not fair.
Life's not fair, but at least you can console yourself with the fact that when you watch a basketball game, you actually get to watch a game that's enjoyable to watch.
You don't need to wait for a fight to break out to make it worthwhile.
Would rather see a punch every once in a while than the same old slam dunks on sports center.
We are supposed to be impressed by these guys dunking who are 2 feet taller than us. SWEET!
No one's forcing you to watch sports center.
And unless you're very short, the average NBA player isn't two feet taller than you.
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Haha. The NBA's not so dirty little not so secret: Nonody wants a fight.
Nor should they. I prefer the NBA sans fighting, to be honest.
If folks want to see punches thrown, they can always tune into that other sport where grown men skate around with sticks and occasionally punch each other in the face.
I think a lot of guys feel that way. I personally do not. I also can spend an entire Sunday watching youtube videos of NBA fights from the 80s. Larry Bird is in a few of them..although I bet he agrees with you now more then me.
Same.
If these guys started throwing punches on a regular basis, it would get ugly for the image of the league. I suspect that there are a lot of folks out there who already think that large, tattooed, black men who earn a lot of money and play basketball for a living are "punks" or "thugs" by nature.
For me, I have no desire to see that stereotype re-enforced by seeing NBA players getting into fist fights. To me, the game of basketball doesn't need that in any way, shape, or form.
Luckily, for you guys, you'll always have your '80s NBA fight compilations on YouTube.
I think that's probably the view of lots of the guys who run the league. Probably really sound too. But for me as a consumer, Id rather see a brawl once and a while. Baseball gets them , hockey gets them, football gets them, but not basketball. Not fair.
Life's not fair, but at least you can console yourself with the fact that when you watch a basketball game, you actually get to watch a game that's enjoyable to watch.
You don't need to wait for a fight to break out to make it worthwhile.
Would rather see a punch every once in a while than the same old slam dunks on sports center.
We are supposed to be impressed by these guys dunking who are 2 feet taller than us. SWEET!
I've got nothing against a nice dunk, but I generally get more excited by plays like a sweet back door pass for an easy lay in, or a great defensive hustle play that leads to an easy transition bucket.
I'm definitely not much of a fan of the way ESPN markets the game of basketball, though. I'm in agreement with you there.
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Plus, very few people in the NBA know how to fight. (similar to offensive line men in the NFL)
So many of them grew up being the biggest kid in the area, no one really wanted to get into a fight with them anyways.
You're the second person to say this but I think, fighting skills or not, these fights would get brutal if we let them happen. Regardless of form or technique, it would be the best athletes in the world with no helmets and no gloves.
It might look like a bunch of 5 year olds punching each other, which likely wouldn't get out of control, but give those 5 year olds spiked knuckles and they can do damage even if they don't know how.
This isn't hockey, where fighting isn't so much fighting as it's a display of balance, and the lack of traction keeps guys truly wailing on each other.
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This isn't hockey, where fighting isn't so much fighting as it's a display of balance, and the lack of traction keeps guys truly wailing on each other.
I never understood that part of hockey. Football has a lot more and more violent contact, and there's no need for fisticuffs to keep the opponent in check. Meh.
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Plus, very few people in the NBA know how to fight. (similar to offensive line men in the NFL)
So many of them grew up being the biggest kid in the area, no one really wanted to get into a fight with them anyways.
You're the second person to say this but I think, fighting skills or not, these fights would get brutal if we let them happen. Regardless of form or technique, it would be the best athletes in the world with no helmets and no gloves.
It might look like a bunch of 5 year olds punching each other, which likely wouldn't get out of control, but give those 5 year olds spiked knuckles and they can do damage even if they don't know how.
This isn't hockey, where fighting isn't so much fighting as it's a display of balance, and the lack of traction keeps guys truly wailing on each other.
But that's not what happens. You usually end up seeing two really big guy dancing with each other.
Yeah, if they were to throw a lot of punches, it would do lots of damage. But they have never had to.
And a little guy who knew how to fight wouldn't likely beat the really large guy either.
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/14/serge-ibaka-and-matt-barnes-ejected-after-altercation-involving-blake-griffin-video/
If you watch the video, Ibaka has a perfect right cross opportunity when he gets back in Barnes face, even had fist raised, but thought better of it.
I remember seeing Ibaka with a fist raised and I'm pretty sure that when he looked into Barnes' grinning face, he thought "that's not the face of a man who is afraid of being punched in the face" he saw Barnes internally saying "please hit me, i hope to god that you hit me and then are out of the league for 15 games for it"
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I don't know if I'm watching the correct video, but from what I'm seeing I have ZERO problem with what Barnes did. Ibaka began it with pushing Griffin on the back, Barnes hit back to protect him.
We used to be prideful of having players like that around here, doing this exact sort of thing.
Not that I don't think Barnes is a punk, but in this case, I don't get the whole hoopla going after Barnes' head.
No, Griffin began it by clenching Ibaka's arm and not letting it go. Watch it again, it's a commonly used under-handed tactic in the NBA these days. Used purely to frustrate opponents while looking very innocent in the process.
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Oh, there's also the part with the since-deleted Barnes tweet:
I love my teammates like family, but I’m DONE standing up for these [N-word]! All this [expletive] does is cost me money..
Oh boy.
I don't get it. What does he mean?
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I don't know if I'm watching the correct video, but from what I'm seeing I have ZERO problem with what Barnes did. Ibaka began it with pushing Griffin on the back, Barnes hit back to protect him.
We used to be prideful of having players like that around here, doing this exact sort of thing.
Not that I don't think Barnes is a punk, but in this case, I don't get the whole hoopla going after Barnes' head.
No, Griffin began it by clenching Ibaka's arm and not letting it go. Watch it again, it's a commonly used under-handed tactic in the NBA these days. Used purely to frustrate opponents while looking very innocent in the process.
Meh, Ibaka could've easily pulled his hand instead of trying to shove Griffin away like he did.
In any case, whether Ibaka or Griffin started it, from Barnes POV he saw his star teammate getting shoved from the back... so the point stands on the same merit, and honestly if that was KG protecting Pierce or Posey protecting Rondo or such, we'd be applauding how good teammates they are, and how they add toughness to our team.
So in this instance, sorry but I'm not biting on the Barnes hate... though he's done a number of punk moves in the past, but this really wasn't one of it.
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I don't know if I'm watching the correct video, but from what I'm seeing I have ZERO problem with what Barnes did. Ibaka began it with pushing Griffin on the back, Barnes hit back to protect him.
We used to be prideful of having players like that around here, doing this exact sort of thing.
Not that I don't think Barnes is a punk, but in this case, I don't get the whole hoopla going after Barnes' head.
No, Griffin began it by clenching Ibaka's arm and not letting it go. Watch it again, it's a commonly used under-handed tactic in the NBA these days. Used purely to frustrate opponents while looking very innocent in the process.
Meh, Ibaka could've easily pulled his hand instead of trying to shove Griffin away like he did.
In any case, whether Ibaka or Griffin started it, from Barnes POV he saw his star teammate getting shoved from the back... so the point stands on the same merit, and honestly if that was KG protecting Pierce or Posey protecting Rondo or such, we'd be applauding how good teammates they are, and how they add toughness to our team.
So in this instance, sorry but I'm not biting on the Barnes hate... though he's done a number of punk moves in the past, but this really wasn't one of it.
I don't think what Ibaka did here was unwarranted, Griffin was for some reason pinning his arm. But like you I cap so have no issue with what Barnes did.
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I don't know if I'm watching the correct video, but from what I'm seeing I have ZERO problem with what Barnes did. Ibaka began it with pushing Griffin on the back, Barnes hit back to protect him.
We used to be prideful of having players like that around here, doing this exact sort of thing.
Not that I don't think Barnes is a punk, but in this case, I don't get the whole hoopla going after Barnes' head.
No, Griffin began it by clenching Ibaka's arm and not letting it go. Watch it again, it's a commonly used under-handed tactic in the NBA these days. Used purely to frustrate opponents while looking very innocent in the process.
Meh, Ibaka could've easily pulled his hand instead of trying to shove Griffin away like he did.
In any case, whether Ibaka or Griffin started it, from Barnes POV he saw his star teammate getting shoved from the back... so the point stands on the same merit, and honestly if that was KG protecting Pierce or Posey protecting Rondo or such, we'd be applauding how good teammates they are, and how they add toughness to our team.
So in this instance, sorry but I'm not biting on the Barnes hate... though he's done a number of punk moves in the past, but this really wasn't one of it.
I don't think what Ibaka did here was unwarranted, Griffin was for some reason pinning his arm. But like you I cap so have no issue with what Barnes did.
I don't think it was unwarranted either, just unnecessary, but if you see an opposing player doing this to your star player, regardless of the circumstances that led to it, chances are that some form of retaliation is going to happen... it just happened it was Barnes there. And it looked like Griffin was going to get on it, whether Barnes got involved or not.
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LA Floppers and bunch of actresses.
Ibaka would've showed Griffin wuzzup. Barnes ain't got anything on Ibaka either.
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anybody who put they hands on a woman is a punk
so barnes is that
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Oh, there's also the part with the since-deleted Barnes tweet:
I love my teammates like family, but I’m DONE standing up for these [N-word]! All this [expletive] does is cost me money..
Oh boy.
It's okay, Barnes is half-black, not merely an honorary black like Richie Incognito.
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anybody who put they hands on a woman is a punk
so barnes is that
I agree.
I don't see many people using the term when we're talking about our own players, though.
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I've disliked Barnes for some time now. Always looking to start something. Kobe punked him out a few years ago when he was with Orlando. Same with Pierce. He always trys to get under the teams best players skin. And he just comes out looking like an idiot every time.
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Not that Barnes is an exemplary citizen, but Ibaka also plays rough and dirty and to me also very brash and cocky on court;