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Title: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: LarBrd33 on November 07, 2013, 10:41:46 PM
I mentioned this in the game thread the other night, but I imagine a lot of people missed it.   

I was listening to the Jazz broadcast and they mentioned having watched Rondo prior to the game.  They said one calf muscle was drastically larger than the other.  They said it would take a while for him to build it up and guessed he was "at least" a couple months away. 

Just figured I'd pass that along since there hasn't been a ton of officially status updates on Rondo.  My guess is we don't see him until after All-star break, if ever.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Lucky17 on November 07, 2013, 10:45:28 PM
My guess is we don't see him until after All-star break, if ever.

LOL. Kiss him goodbye, everyone. Rondo is done.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: CelticG1 on November 07, 2013, 10:53:05 PM
Seems odd that a Jazz announcer would notice this and not the tons of celtics media members who are around the team and rondo constantly
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Kane3387 on November 07, 2013, 10:59:08 PM
My guess is we don't see him until after All-star break, if ever.

LOL. Kiss him goodbye, everyone. Rondo is done.

Haha pretty sure he only meant for this season.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Celtics18 on November 07, 2013, 11:00:53 PM
My guess is we don't see him until after All-star break, if ever.

LOL. Kiss him goodbye, everyone. Rondo is done.

Haha pretty sure he only meant for this season.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. 
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: LarBrd33 on November 07, 2013, 11:04:59 PM
My guess is we don't see him until after All-star break, if ever.

LOL. Kiss him goodbye, everyone. Rondo is done.

Haha pretty sure he only meant for this season.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Lol. 
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Ogaju on November 07, 2013, 11:13:56 PM
He had a major Knee injury with surgery, it is not unusual to have calf atrophy after a knee injury. It is up to him to rehab the leg. I think they should follow the Rose plan sit him for the year.

TANK you very much.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Kiorrik on November 07, 2013, 11:20:45 PM
Oh well. I've had that happen to me too when I had ankle surgery, and had an infection to the wound. Ended up lying in bed for more than 6 weeks with my foot up above me. Got around the house by skipping on one leg.

When the cast came off, I was shocked. Honestly shocked. Apart from all the dead skin underneath my foot, which was gross, the calf muscle was GONE. Really weird, and looked like someone else's limb.

So I wouldn't be surprised if it'd happen to him as well.

That said, I came to this topic thinking:

"A topic for Rondo's calves? Sheesh! Why don't we give each calf their own topic while we're at it?!"
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: LarBrd33 on November 07, 2013, 11:23:25 PM
Oh well. I've had that happen to me too when I had ankle surgery, and had an infection to the wound. Ended up lying in bed for more than 6 weeks with my foot up above me. Got around the house by skipping on one leg.

When the cast came off, I was shocked. Honestly shocked. Apart from all the dead skin underneath my foot, which was gross, the calf muscle was GONE. Really weird, and looked like someone else's limb.

So I wouldn't be surprised if it'd happen to him as well.

That said, I came to this topic thinking:

"A topic for Rondo's calves? Sheesh! Why don't we give each calf their own topic while we're at it?!"
Seriously though I wonder how long it takes to build up a calf muscle.  I imagine it's his leg in general and not just the calf.  The announcers just commented on one calf being dramatically larger than the other.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Kiorrik on November 07, 2013, 11:54:28 PM
Oh well. I've had that happen to me too when I had ankle surgery, and had an infection to the wound. Ended up lying in bed for more than 6 weeks with my foot up above me. Got around the house by skipping on one leg.

When the cast came off, I was shocked. Honestly shocked. Apart from all the dead skin underneath my foot, which was gross, the calf muscle was GONE. Really weird, and looked like someone else's limb.

So I wouldn't be surprised if it'd happen to him as well.

That said, I came to this topic thinking:

"A topic for Rondo's calves? Sheesh! Why don't we give each calf their own topic while we're at it?!"
Seriously though I wonder how long it takes to build up a calf muscle.  I imagine it's his leg in general and not just the calf.  The announcers just commented on one calf being dramatically larger than the other.
I'd say "dramatizing differences" is a KPI for announcers.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: LB3533 on November 07, 2013, 11:57:49 PM
There is nothing to worry here. Rondo is young, he has a historical background of being an athlete.

All Rondo needs to do is heal up sufficiently and slowly begin exercising. He will need to ingest more protein, steroid precursors will help speed up muscle mass generation.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 08, 2013, 07:45:05 AM
It is called atrophy.   It happens to almost everyone who gets injured on crutches.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: SHAQATTACK on November 08, 2013, 08:06:30 AM
He should stay out till he returns to normal.

I believe their is zero rush this year for his return ,  don't think he sees the court till sometime in Feb. or even March.     With Celtics not a playoff team ,  he'll take the full year off.......return fully recovered like Rose did.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: BballTim on November 08, 2013, 08:13:22 AM
I mentioned this in the game thread the other night, but I imagine a lot of people missed it.   

I was listening to the Jazz broadcast and they mentioned having watched Rondo prior to the game.  They said one calf muscle was drastically larger than the other.  They said it would take a while for him to build it up and guessed he was "at least" a couple months away. 

Just figured I'd pass that along since there hasn't been a ton of officially status updates on Rondo.  My guess is we don't see him until after All-star break, if ever.

  Probably just wishful thinking on your part. Not only would the local reporters have seen the same pre-game warm-ups, they've probably also seen him participate in a decent amount of non-contact drills at practices. Bad as I think they are, I doubt every one of them missed what the Jazz announcers caught.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: manl_lui on November 08, 2013, 09:05:28 AM
He should stay out till he returns to normal.

I believe their is zero rush this year for his return ,  don't think he sees the court till sometime in Feb. or even March.     With Celtics not a playoff team ,  he'll take the full year off.......return fully recovered like Rose did.

that will make his "dunk off my right leg" comment pretty hypocritical won't it?
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: D.o.s. on November 08, 2013, 10:12:09 AM
I mentioned this in the game thread the other night, but I imagine a lot of people missed it.   

I was listening to the Jazz broadcast and they mentioned having watched Rondo prior to the game.  They said one calf muscle was drastically larger than the other.  They said it would take a while for him to build it up and guessed he was "at least" a couple months away. 

Just figured I'd pass that along since there hasn't been a ton of officially status updates on Rondo.  My guess is we don't see him until after All-star break, if ever.

  Probably just wishful thinking on your part. Not only would the local reporters have seen the same pre-game warm-ups, they've probably also seen him participate in a decent amount of non-contact drills at practices. Bad as I think they are, I doubt every one of them missed what the Jazz announcers caught.

Inclined to agree. Not a whole lot to be gleaned from a visual interpretation from play-by-play announcers.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: nickagneta on November 08, 2013, 10:25:57 AM
No one here is thinking that the HGH Rondo is taking made his non-hurt leg bigger with all the exercise/rehab he's been doing and so there is really nothing to worry about as his hurt leg is just probably the size its supposed to be?

I mean, his arms and chest seemed to swell up over the off season as well.

Put 2 and 2 together........
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: D.o.s. on November 08, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
No one here is thinking that the HGH Rondo is taking made his non-hurt leg bigger with all the exercise/rehab he's been doing and so there is really nothing to worry about as his hurt leg is just probably the size its supposed to be?

I mean, his arms and chest seemed to swell up over the off season as well.

Put 2 and 2 together........

Maybe. Easier explanation is that he continued to work out within the limitations of his injury, which accounts for the disparity.

I'm not too familiar with HGH, but I don't think it can avoid muscles in the way you're describing.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: nickagneta on November 08, 2013, 10:44:35 AM
No one here is thinking that the HGH Rondo is taking made his non-hurt leg bigger with all the exercise/rehab he's been doing and so there is really nothing to worry about as his hurt leg is just probably the size its supposed to be?

I mean, his arms and chest seemed to swell up over the off season as well.

Put 2 and 2 together........

Maybe. Easier explanation is that he continued to work out within the limitations of his injury, which accounts for the disparity.

I'm not too familiar with HGH, but I don't think it can avoid muscles in the way you're describing.
I am not saying it avoided any muscles but that it made the atrophied leg grow back to its normal size but made the rest of the muscles he has been working out grow larger and hence why in some pictures his arms and chest look huge and now, maybe his healthy calf as well.

Also, take away the HGH theory and you are right, his regular working out could have made his healthy leg larger and his hurt leg is just now regular size.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: nickagneta on November 08, 2013, 10:45:42 AM
Would love to see a recent photo of Rondo in shorts to see what these Utah announcers are talking about.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Fafnir on November 08, 2013, 10:46:41 AM
This is what happens when you have a leg surgery.

Elton Brand and others talked to Kobe about how much their calves shrunk after they had surgery to repair their Achilles.

This is what Rondo is now rehabbing, not how strong or stable his knee is. But the atrophy of his surrounding muscles.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: TitleMaster on November 08, 2013, 10:50:33 AM
Ppl, I'm just not that impressed with these professional athletes.

For one, I work a desk job but still, I don't let my body waste away.

Not too long ago, I had a problem with my right elbow. That problem is now gone.

So fine, during rehabilitation, it meant that my right tricep/bicep combo with be weak for a bit. Did I sit around and do squat? No, I used a forearm device and exercised my forearm & wrist muscles/tendons.

http://curamotionusa.com/proddetail.php?prod=PT-10000 (http://curamotionusa.com/proddetail.php?prod=PT-10000)

For my shoulder, I restricted my elbow (so that it wouldn't move) and did deltoid exercises, tying a pulley cable to my arm with a strap.

All and all, my elbow healed, while all the supporting muscles in its vicinity were toned up.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Fafnir on November 08, 2013, 10:51:43 AM
Bill Brasky is that you?
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: D.o.s. on November 08, 2013, 11:05:58 AM
Bill Brasky is that you?

All of the Tommy points ever for you.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: RJ87 on November 08, 2013, 11:59:25 AM
Would love to see a recent photo of Rondo in shorts to see what these Utah announcers are talking about.

Any from Media Day?
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Snakehead on November 08, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
Away announcers are probably the worst news source ever.

I've been watching the feeds from some lately.  I know Tommy is a big homer but otherwise Gorman is so much better than these other guys.  With a lot of them it doesn't seem like they know the other team at all.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: mgent on November 08, 2013, 03:07:18 PM
Oh well. I've had that happen to me too when I had ankle surgery, and had an infection to the wound. Ended up lying in bed for more than 6 weeks with my foot up above me. Got around the house by skipping on one leg.

When the cast came off, I was shocked. Honestly shocked. Apart from all the dead skin underneath my foot, which was gross, the calf muscle was GONE. Really weird, and looked like someone else's limb.

So I wouldn't be surprised if it'd happen to him as well.

That said, I came to this topic thinking:

"A topic for Rondo's calves? Sheesh! Why don't we give each calf their own topic while we're at it?!"
Seriously though I wonder how long it takes to build up a calf muscle.  I imagine it's his leg in general and not just the calf.  The announcers just commented on one calf being dramatically larger than the other.
I'd say "dramatizing differences" is a KPI for announcers.
Exactly.

I know the Jazz suck, but these guys must really have nothing to talk about.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: D.o.s. on November 08, 2013, 04:26:05 PM
Away announcers are probably the worst news source ever.

I've been watching the feeds from some lately.  I know Tommy is a big homer but otherwise Gorman is so much better than these other guys.  With a lot of them it doesn't seem like they know the other team at all.

When Gorman goes snarky he is far and away my favorite announcer in all of basketball.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Celtics4ever on November 08, 2013, 05:47:33 PM
(http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv163/dlong1968/DSC_0063.jpg) (http://s680.photobucket.com/user/dlong1968/media/DSC_0063.jpg.html)

here is photo hope it works seems recent.

http://redsarmy.com/2013/10/02/celtkicks-training-camp-kicks/
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: Celtics18 on November 08, 2013, 06:17:15 PM
Oh my god!!! His right leg looks like a peg leg.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: fitzhickey on November 08, 2013, 06:35:50 PM
Rondo looks like a pirate hahaha
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: BballTim on November 08, 2013, 07:16:50 PM


  With most people, you could probably tell them that either leg's the one that's atrophied and they'd look at the picture and agree with you.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: wahz on November 08, 2013, 08:40:07 PM
I mentioned this in the game thread the other night, but I imagine a lot of people missed it.   

I was listening to the Jazz broadcast and they mentioned having watched Rondo prior to the game.  They said one calf muscle was drastically larger than the other.  They said it would take a while for him to build it up and guessed he was "at least" a couple months away. 

Just figured I'd pass that along since there hasn't been a ton of officially status updates on Rondo.  My guess is we don't see him until after All-star break, if ever.

I am so shocked by this info. Who would have thought a guy who suffered an acl tear would have muscle atrophy? I guess he must have limped a bunch and not used the leg. I bet the cast must have done something too. Wow. Still, he should be ready by next week, right? Guess not everyone is like Adrian? Maybe.

It is unreal the crap folks took for saying he wouldn't be back until next year. Along the way I am pretty sure there was a pole that had about a third of the posters thinking he would start the season. That's fine and all but it would have been nice if they didn't feel the need to think the rest of us were fools.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: D.o.s. on November 08, 2013, 08:42:09 PM


  With most people, you could probably tell them that either leg's the one that's atrophied and they'd look at the picture and agree with you.

Doesn't help that he's standing in contrapposto, either.

Whoops, that's Wallace. Who also looks like one of his legs has been atrophied.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: BballTim on November 09, 2013, 02:58:42 PM
I mentioned this in the game thread the other night, but I imagine a lot of people missed it.   

I was listening to the Jazz broadcast and they mentioned having watched Rondo prior to the game.  They said one calf muscle was drastically larger than the other.  They said it would take a while for him to build it up and guessed he was "at least" a couple months away. 

Just figured I'd pass that along since there hasn't been a ton of officially status updates on Rondo.  My guess is we don't see him until after All-star break, if ever.

I am so shocked by this info. Who would have thought a guy who suffered an acl tear would have muscle atrophy? I guess he must have limped a bunch and not used the leg. I bet the cast must have done something too. Wow. Still, he should be ready by next week, right? Guess not everyone is like Adrian? Maybe.

It is unreal the crap folks took for saying he wouldn't be back until next year. Along the way I am pretty sure there was a pole that had about a third of the posters thinking he would start the season. That's fine and all but it would have been nice if they didn't feel the need to think the rest of us were fools.

  I wouldn't get too carried away with this "atrophy" stuff:

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/11/davis_looks_back_on_days_gone_by

It’s fairly typical for any player recovering from surgery to accelerate his own comeback, which is why Ainge was a little surprised to learn from the training staff this week that Rondo has been playing one-and-one before road games.

The Celtics president of basketball operations stressed yesterday that this doesn’t mean Rondo has been cleared for full contact or scrimmaging. That decision is in the hands of Rondo’s surgeon, Dr. James Andrews.

“He played 3-on-3 three weeks ago when he wasn’t supposed to,” said Ainge. “But I asked (the training staff) if it was OK for him to be playing one-on-one, and the answer was yes. Of course playing one-on-one is one thing. It doesn’t mean he’s ready to play to the NBA standard.”
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: blink on November 09, 2013, 03:38:26 PM
Bill Brasky is that you?

All of the Tommy points ever for you.

Haha I thought I was going to be the only one to get that reference.  Sweet.
Title: Re: Rondo's calf muscles
Post by: blink on November 09, 2013, 03:42:53 PM
(http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv163/dlong1968/DSC_0063.jpg) (http://s680.photobucket.com/user/dlong1968/media/DSC_0063.jpg.html)

here is photo hope it works seems recent.

http://redsarmy.com/2013/10/02/celtkicks-training-camp-kicks/

To me, his right leg seems smaller because it is facing the camera.  I don't really get what the big deal is about his leg?

Now his arms and shoulders, sheesh when did they become xxl?  I hope that is just a lot of lifting in the time when he couldn't run and do tons of cardio.