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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: TitleMaster on September 18, 2013, 01:22:10 PM
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Ok, this is an ultimate what-if scenario.
If Rondo takes his current game and incorporates all of John Stockton's moves like continually setting picks & hitting a bunch of outside jumpers; while at the same time, Green becomes like Bernard King, a virtually unstoppable scoring forward, who can hit his shots from nearly anywhere on the court, does that get us a title, provided that the other role players handle their assignments well?
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Neither Stockton nor King ever won a title.
This hypothetical doesn't appear at all worthwhile. Rondo and Green are very different players from Stockton and King. So really the hypothetical is: if Rondo and Green improve, do we have a better shot at a ring? The answer seems kind of obvious, no?
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Why stop there?
If we're transforming our players into Hall of Famers with vaguely similar attributes, why not turn Rondo into Stockton, Bradley into Dumars, Green into Bernard King, Sullinger into Moses Malone, and Olynyk into Dirk?
Then we'd definitely be in for a run of multiple championships!
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Neither Stockton nor King ever won a title.
This hypothetical doesn't appear at all worthwhile. Rondo and Green are very different players from Stockton and King. So really the hypothetical is: if Rondo and Green improve, do we have a better shot at a ring? The answer seems kind of obvious, no?
Agreed.
Also, the Green-King comparison is laughable. Very different players.
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Why not just turn Green into Bird and leave Rondo as is, done!
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Well, here's the thing ... Green doesn't have Bird's passing ability and thus, no comparison there.
He does, however, have quickness and the crafty ability to get to the right spots, for high percentage shots. And that's where the King comparison comes in, King was a high percentage, crafty scorer, before he tore up the ACL and never came back to form again.
As for Stockton, well, he's got the consistent outside shot which Rondo lacks, to complement his assists total. Plus, he's always setting picks, which keeps defenses working. These are all areas which Rondo can pick up on.
With the above stated, adding a few role players, like a Tony Allen-esque wing defender, Perkins-like enforcer down low, inside-out versatile guy like a J Posey, I believe, gets us into a form where we can contend.
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Neither Stockton nor King ever won a title.
Well, if Ostertag is your center and your only go-to move is a pick & pop with Malone, or a dish out to Hornacek for a 3, then it's no wonder that they didn't stand a chance against the Bulls.
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Why stop there?
If we're transforming our players into Hall of Famers with vaguely similar attributes, why not turn Rondo into Stockton, Bradley into Dumars, Green into Bernard King, Sullinger into Moses Malone, and Olynyk into Dirk?
Then we'd definitely be in for a run of multiple championships!
This sounds great ... but I'm still stuck on the fact that I just don't see Green as all that similar to King and other than being great, innovative pass-first PGs, Rondo isn't all that much like Stockton.
I think it would be easier to shove them into the magical HoF-prototyper-machine and spit out:
Rondo -> The Glove
Bradley -> Dumars
Green -> Worthy
Olynyk -> Dirk (with a touch of McHale)
Sullinger -> Unseld
;D
Ahh ... to dream sweet dreams during the lulls of summer ...
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I think we'd make a good run until we got taken down by Fab Melo as Hakeem Olajuwon.
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Well, here's the thing ... Green doesn't have Bird's passing ability and thus, no comparison there.
Why leave at passing?
There is also dribbling, rebounding, shooting, team defense, and trash talking to consider.
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Green -> Worthy
The only problem with Worthy was that his go-to Tomahawk jam, was the flashy decoy move, when defenders would anticipate Kareem's Sky Hook, and thus, him receiving that back cutter pass for the jam, was his main weapon of choice.
I believe that Green could make that his 2nd weapon of choice, the first, beating his man off the dribble. That would make Green the most versatile scorer for the Celtics, as he'd inspire routine double teams.
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I think we'd make a good run until we got taken down by Fab Melo as Hakeem Olajuwon.
;D
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I think we'd make a good run until we got taken down by Fab Melo as Hakeem Olajuwon.
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Let's turn Bradley into Ray Allen, Jeff Green into Paul Pierce and KO into KG. I bet we cruise to the 2008 NBA championship.
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Well, here's the thing ... Green doesn't have Bird's passing ability and thus, no comparison there.
He does, however, have quickness and the crafty ability to get to the right spots, for high percentage shots. And that's where the King comparison comes in, King was a high percentage, crafty scorer, before he tore up the ACL and never came back to form again.
As for Stockton, well, he's got the consistent outside shot which Rondo lacks, to complement his assists total. Plus, he's always setting picks, which keeps defenses working. These are all areas which Rondo can pick up on.
Rondo's pretty good at setting picks. He doesn't have Stockton's outside shot but he's better at the rim. Stockton was a more efficient scorer but didn't really score much more than Rondo overall. Rondo's clearly the better rebounder though.
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Rondo is Rondo, there has never been a player who can do as many things as well as Rondo while being as bad a shooter as Rondo. Hard to find a comparable. But if Rondo could ever learn to shoot as well as Stockton could shoot, look out. You could assume though that Rondo could provide an equivelant contribution as Stockton but he would do it differently.
As for Green, I think the Worthy comparison is realistic. He has played for stretches as well as Worthy but so far in his career has not been able to sustain it.
Worthy and Stockton are not going to win any titles with the current Celtics supporting cast and neither are Rondo and Green, in my opinion.
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Rondo is Rondo, there has never been a player who can do as many things as well as Rondo while being as bad a shooter as Rondo. Hard to find a comparable. But if Rondo could ever learn to shoot as well as Stockton could shoot, look out. You could assume though that Rondo could provide an equivelant contribution as Stockton but he would do it differently.
As for Green, I think the Worthy comparison is realistic. He has played for stretches as well as Worthy but so far in his career has not been able to sustain it.
Worthy and Stockton are not going to win any titles with the current Celtics supporting cast and neither are Rondo and Green, in my opinion.
Kidd could do as many things as Rondo and was a bad shooter for most of his career.
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Ok, this is an ultimate what-if scenario.
If Rondo takes his current game and incorporates all of John Stockton's moves like continually setting picks & hitting a bunch of outside jumpers; while at the same time, Green becomes like Bernard King, a virtually unstoppable scoring forward, who can hit his shots from nearly anywhere on the court, does that get us a title, provided that the other role players handle their assignments well?
No.
However... if Rondo becomes LeBron James, Jeff Green becomes Dwayne Wade and Avery Bradley becomes Chris Bosh, I'd say we'd have a legit shot.
I'm crossin my fingies.
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Well, here's the thing ... Green doesn't have Bird's passing ability and thus, no comparison there.
He does, however, have quickness and the crafty ability to get to the right spots, for high percentage shots. And that's where the King comparison comes in, King was a high percentage, crafty scorer, before he tore up the ACL and never came back to form again.
As for Stockton, well, he's got the consistent outside shot which Rondo lacks, to complement his assists total. Plus, he's always setting picks, which keeps defenses working. These are all areas which Rondo can pick up on.
With the above stated, adding a few role players, like a Tony Allen-esque wing defender, Perkins-like enforcer down low, inside-out versatile guy like a J Posey, I believe, gets us into a form where we can contend.
After watching Paul Pierce play 15 years your calling Jeff Green crafty? Stop trolling me man :D
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Rondo is Rondo, there has never been a player who can do as many things as well as Rondo while being as bad a shooter as Rondo. Hard to find a comparable. But if Rondo could ever learn to shoot as well as Stockton could shoot, look out. You could assume though that Rondo could provide an equivelant contribution as Stockton but he would do it differently.
As for Green, I think the Worthy comparison is realistic. He has played for stretches as well as Worthy but so far in his career has not been able to sustain it.
Worthy and Stockton are not going to win any titles with the current Celtics supporting cast and neither are Rondo and Green, in my opinion.
You really think Worthy is a "realistic" comparison for Green? Dang, that's not too kind for Worthy? When has Green ever had stretches as good as Worthy had for his career?
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Rondo + Green + Sully = Kidd + Richard Jefferson + Kenyon Martin
NBA Finals, here we come! ;D
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Rondo is Rondo, there has never been a player who can do as many things as well as Rondo while being as bad a shooter as Rondo. Hard to find a comparable. But if Rondo could ever learn to shoot as well as Stockton could shoot, look out. You could assume though that Rondo could provide an equivelant contribution as Stockton but he would do it differently.
As for Green, I think the Worthy comparison is realistic. He has played for stretches as well as Worthy but so far in his career has not been able to sustain it.
Worthy and Stockton are not going to win any titles with the current Celtics supporting cast and neither are Rondo and Green, in my opinion.
You really think Worthy is a "realistic" comparison for Green? Dang, that's not too kind for Worthy? When has Green ever had stretches as good as Worthy had for his career?
It's a fantasy thread about 'ceiling'. What HoF 'prototype' do you think a player could be if they reached their ceiling. No one here is saying our guys ARE equivalent to these HoF players. It's just for fun.
FWIW - to answer your question - Green's stretch from around mid February last year all the way through the playoffs in June was pretty much just a hair under Worthy's numbers during his peak years (pts, rebounds, assists) .
The only real difference being that Green got some of his points from outside with 3PT shooting that was not really part of Worthy's game. And of course, Worthy maintained those numbers for a long time, across multiple years.
It's telling that last year was the first time Green came close to getting the same kind of utilization that Worthy got. Worthy was consistently above 22% USG% through most of his career. Last year was just the second time Green was ever above 20% and the first time he was above 22%.
Physically, Green looks and _moves_ a lot like Worthy on the court. The similarity is obvious to many of us who watched back then and now.
Whether Green is able to consistently maintain that 'Worthy-like' production of course, is a completely open question and it is fair to doubt it. But that doesn't mean it isn't the 'upside' that we would hope to see realized.
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Rondo + Green + Sully = Kidd + Richard Jefferson + Kenyon Martin
NBA Finals, here we come! ;D
that...is actually...not that bad of a comparison
sign me up! NBA finals in 2 years :D
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The only real difference being that Green got some of his points from outside with 3PT shooting that was not really part of Worthy's game. And of course, Worthy maintained those numbers for a long time, across multiple years.
Worthy was a high pro slasher player, who'd worked within Riley's system, where Kareem or Magic got him the open lanes. None of our teams, have a foundation as good as that, to make comparable Worthy metaphors.
Therefore, I'd rather hope for King to be the analogy, as that would allow Green to thrive, even if defenders packed the paint to stop his drives to the basket.
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The only real difference being that Green got some of his points from outside with 3PT shooting that was not really part of Worthy's game. And of course, Worthy maintained those numbers for a long time, across multiple years.
Worthy was a high pro slasher player, who'd worked within Riley's system, where Kareem or Magic got him the open lanes. None of our teams, have a foundation as good as that, to make comparable Worthy metaphors.
Therefore, I'd rather hope for King to be the analogy, as that would allow Green to thrive, even if defenders packed the paint to stop his drives to the basket.
Well, in this _fantasy_ world, where Green becomes Worthy ... can he still keep his superior 3PT shooting?
And in my dream, "who could they become" lineup, I believe I had Unseld & Dirk on the floor as well. I think that might help with the spacing. :)
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Rondo + Green + Sully = Kidd + Richard Jefferson + Kenyon Martin
NBA Finals, here we come! ;D
that...is actually...not that bad of a comparison
sign me up! NBA finals in 2 years :D
A team like the 2000-2002 Nets would be fighting for a low playoff seed in today's NBA. Those were some really low-quality years in the East back in the late 90's and early 00's.
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I remember reading a while back that Green drew a comparison to James Worthy. King is sort of the same hyperbole.
To be honest these comparisons are sort of just fluff. Rondo is a pretty unique player. Very few players in the history of the NBA have been as impactful as Rondo without scoring the ball, which is why I sort of understand the Stockton comparison. Stockton never put up huge scoring numbers and his assists are similar. But watching Stockton play and comparing it to Rondo, stats aside, you can plainly see they are vastly different skill sets.
Green as Bernard King is laughable though. Green has proved close to nothing so far. I will give him credit for coming back from a pretty serious heart surgery, that is courageous and deserves praise. But as far as basketball accomplishments he's short of Rudy Gay and Danillo Gallinari. Certainly a far cry from Bernard King.
I want Green to play well, earn his $9M/yr and maybe get traded at the deadline. I want him to play his best ball on a team that needs a scoring wing and not a rebuild like the C's will be the next 2 years. I also think the top pick next year will need his starting spot to flourish and my optimism has us getting one of those top SFs.
Rondo is a keeper. Closest thing this league has to another KG. The intensity, work ethic and absolute unflinching disgust at losing make him my favorite NBA player right now.
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I guess anything is possible. Right now the greatest optimist in me cannot see these dream scenarios playing out. Regardless, I will give this team a fair shake.
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You forgot Brandon Bass as Karl Malone, Kelly Olynyk as Larry Bird, and Fab Melo as a young Shaquille O'Neal. Ooops we cut him. We cut Shaq?? Nooo!
Actually we cut Fab Melo. Ok really sets in. That's not that big of a loss. But wait that means we don't have Stockton and Malone? Umm yup. Sorry to burst the bubble!
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If green can go average 33 points shooting over 50% from the field I'd be happy
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I remember reading a while back that Green drew a comparison to James Worthy. King is sort of the same hyperbole.
That was Scal, or Mike (can't recall) during one of last year's preseason games. After Green finished with one of those Worthy-esque drives to the hoop that ended in a rather lovely finger roll.
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Ned a Malone for it to work...!!! And hornaciek...!!!
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rondo lready is as good as Stockton...passing...but rondo drives better....has more drive moves / ability...so far Stockton shot better...but rondo is just getting going.....B King was a GREAT scorer...but a major ball hog.....in the Allen Iverson mode.....not a good choice.....the Jordon-bird mode is best.....draw them to you in double teams, then use the open guy..so they can never beat you...!
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rondo lready is as good as Stockton...passing...but rondo drives better....has more drive moves / ability...so far Stockton shot better...but rondo is just getting going.....B King was a GREAT scorer...but a major ball hog.....in the Allen Iverson mode.....not a good choice.....the Jordon-bird mode is best.....draw them to you in double teams, then use the open guy..so they can never beat you...!
Yes, because Jordan's career 5.3 APG and 33.3% Usage rate just screams that he was a more willing passer and less of a ball hog than Allen Iverson--who finished his NBA career with 6.2 APG and 31.8 Usage.
edit: or their assist percentages, with AI's 28 and Jordan's 24.
Totally rational argument, not at all cluttered by player perception.
;D
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rondo lready is as good as Stockton...passing...but rondo drives better....has more drive moves / ability...so far Stockton shot better...but rondo is just getting going.....B King was a GREAT scorer...but a major ball hog.....in the Allen Iverson mode.....not a good choice.....the Jordon-bird mode is best.....draw them to you in double teams, then use the open guy..so they can never beat you...!
Yes, because Jordan's career 5.3 APG and 33.3% Usage rate just screams that he was a more willing passer and less of a ball hog than Allen Iverson--who finished his NBA career with 6.2 APG and 31.8 Usage.
edit: or their assist percentages, with AI's 28 and Jordan's 24.
Totally rational argument, not at all cluttered by player perception.
;D
~ enter the self reveling quote...how to tell someone has never played a game of basketball....in their life.....they live on STATS.....Jordon didn't win anything until he turned into a more team player instead of a GREAT individual....you didn't touch the Bird part......Stats really tell....not much....stats tell a small part of a story, to the seasoned evaluator, as in a scout for a team....for example, a GREAT passer could show 0% assists, IF he played on a team with people who could never finish at the rim....they were set up perfectly, but flubbed every one.....BUT, what would the STATS say........THATS...the STATS..... ;D
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rondo lready is as good as Stockton...passing...but rondo drives better....has more drive moves / ability...so far Stockton shot better...but rondo is just getting going.....B King was a GREAT scorer...but a major ball hog.....in the Allen Iverson mode.....not a good choice.....the Jordon-bird mode is best.....draw them to you in double teams, then use the open guy..so they can never beat you...!
Yes, because Jordan's career 5.3 APG and 33.3% Usage rate just screams that he was a more willing passer and less of a ball hog than Allen Iverson--who finished his NBA career with 6.2 APG and 31.8 Usage.
edit: or their assist percentages, with AI's 28 and Jordan's 24.
Totally rational argument, not at all cluttered by player perception.
;D
~ enter the self reveling quote...how to tell someone has never played a game of basketball....in their life.....they live on STATS.....Jordon didn't win anything until he turned into a more team player instead of a GREAT individual....you didn't touch the Bird part......Stats really tell....not much....stats tell a small part of a story, to the seasoned evaluator, as in a scout for a team....for example, a GREAT passer could show 0% assists, IF he played on a team with people who could never finish at the rim....they were set up perfectly, but flubbed every one.....BUT, what would the STATS say........THATS...the STATS..... ;D
I guess I've not played enough basketball in my life, because I have no idea who this "Jordon" guy is.
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rondo lready is as good as Stockton...passing...but rondo drives better....has more drive moves / ability...so far Stockton shot better...but rondo is just getting going.....B King was a GREAT scorer...but a major ball hog.....in the Allen Iverson mode.....not a good choice.....the Jordon-bird mode is best.....draw them to you in double teams, then use the open guy..so they can never beat you...!
Yes, because Jordan's career 5.3 APG and 33.3% Usage rate just screams that he was a more willing passer and less of a ball hog than Allen Iverson--who finished his NBA career with 6.2 APG and 31.8 Usage.
edit: or their assist percentages, with AI's 28 and Jordan's 24.
Totally rational argument, not at all cluttered by player perception.
;D
~ enter the self reveling quote...how to tell someone has never played a game of basketball....in their life.....they live on STATS.....Jordon didn't win anything until he turned into a more team player instead of a GREAT individual....you didn't touch the Bird part......Stats really tell....not much....stats tell a small part of a story, to the seasoned evaluator, as in a scout for a team....for example, a GREAT passer could show 0% assists, IF he played on a team with people who could never finish at the rim....they were set up perfectly, but flubbed every one.....BUT, what would the STATS say........THATS...the STATS..... ;D
I just think the AI-was-a-ballhog-and-never-passed-the-ball bit is overblown. And the stats help bear that out. Dude was a much more willing passer than fits into most narratives about his game. In fact, by all available metrics, he was a more willing passer than Jordan.
Also, while I do play hoops, I didn't (and don't) do more than rec league/park level stuff--owing to the fact that I'm 5'11 160-ish with decidedly meh handles and no ups. :'(
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I want Iverson posted to post his FG % compared to Jordan. Volume scorers tend not to be great team players and guys who shoot in the low 40's hurt their team. Iverson shot .425% for his career. Yuck. Jordan shot close to 50%.
Jordan was a SF . Allen was a guard. Hence, Iverson might have more assists as he was in a position to start the offense more. Iverson certainly was not a PG and with his shooting it is hard to say he was a SG. He is the dreaded combo guard. Could he play, heck yes! Could he play efficiently, nope.
I do not think RR will ever be Jock Stockton. RR is a better athlete than Stockton. Stockton was a better shooter across the board. Both are good passers but other than that their games are vastly different. King and Jefferson are not that similar either. King used a turnaround jumper alot as I recall and shooted a lot more jumpers. Green is more of a slasher.
King nothing like Green.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-U86VQSFHc
Stockton nothing like Rondo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myMvojT6zIc
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rondo lready is as good as Stockton...passing...but rondo drives better....has more drive moves / ability...so far Stockton shot better...but rondo is just getting going.....B King was a GREAT scorer...but a major ball hog.....in the Allen Iverson mode.....not a good choice.....the Jordon-bird mode is best.....draw them to you in double teams, then use the open guy..so they can never beat you...!
Yes, because Jordan's career 5.3 APG and 33.3% Usage rate just screams that he was a more willing passer and less of a ball hog than Allen Iverson--who finished his NBA career with 6.2 APG and 31.8 Usage.
edit: or their assist percentages, with AI's 28 and Jordan's 24.
Totally rational argument, not at all cluttered by player perception.
;D
~ enter the self reveling quote...how to tell someone has never played a game of basketball....in their life.....they live on STATS.....Jordon didn't win anything until he turned into a more team player instead of a GREAT individual....you didn't touch the Bird part......Stats really tell....not much....stats tell a small part of a story, to the seasoned evaluator, as in a scout for a team....for example, a GREAT passer could show 0% assists, IF he played on a team with people who could never finish at the rim....they were set up perfectly, but flubbed every one.....BUT, what would the STATS say........THATS...the STATS..... ;D
I just think the AI-was-a-ballhog-and-never-passed-the-ball bit is overblown. And the stats help bear that out. Dude was a much more willing passer than fits into most narratives about his game. In fact, by all available metrics, he was a more willing passer than Jordan.
Also, while I do play hoops, I didn't (and don't) do more than rec league/park level stuff--owing to the fact that I'm 5'11 160-ish with decidedly meh handles and no ups. :'(
Well....I never said I was right about my post...or anything else...it was just a thought....Allen Iverson had a lot of skills....he would have been a great 2....guard....Jordon was great also....but Jordon wanted to be the whole team,.....he just realized or was told it doesn't work that way...and he had better players on his teams than AI did...no big deal....I thought I was responding the way you wrote yours....but again I was wrong.....email is hard to understand the inflections....., besides, we are all here for the CELTICS....soooo..PEACE...!!!
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And sorry about the playing reference.....nothing personal meant.....
I think Green has more potential to be more like james worthy....and rondo does have some in common with Stockton...they were both pure pg.....rondo is currently the best passer in the league....he even invented a few pass plays that no one ever did b4......except that one player that escapes me now......and rondo isn't done improving yet at all....but they are still diff.....too.....and Stockton had the same team / structure for his career....rondo now has a whole different deal....coach....players....role.....having malon there all the time would make even ME a great passer....LOL...the only one who could slow Malone was rodman....the woime....worm....! And in the end....time will tell more than we can say here......!
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Unfortunately, Green as Worthy, isn't enough for this current crew.
As for the HoF small forward, the reason why I'd picked King is that he's the only guy who could basically do it alone. With only Bill Cartwright (pre-injury) by his side, he took the Celts a full 7 games in the 84 ECF. And that was a championship Larry Bird team.
Now, imagine him and Rondo (with Stockton's shooting) on this squad of ours. Basically, all we'll need to add are the complimentary role players: Tony Allen (in-your-face wing defender), J Posey (No fear of the Big Game, jack-of-all-trades defender/shooter), and K Perkins (Enforcer, thug down low) and we can contend.
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rondo lready is as good as Stockton...passing...but rondo drives better....has more drive moves / ability...so far Stockton shot better...but rondo is just getting going.....B King was a GREAT scorer...but a major ball hog.....in the Allen Iverson mode.....not a good choice.....the Jordon-bird mode is best.....draw them to you in double teams, then use the open guy..so they can never beat you...!
Yes, because Jordan's career 5.3 APG and 33.3% Usage rate just screams that he was a more willing passer and less of a ball hog than Allen Iverson--who finished his NBA career with 6.2 APG and 31.8 Usage.
edit: or their assist percentages, with AI's 28 and Jordan's 24.
Totally rational argument, not at all cluttered by player perception.
;D
~ enter the self reveling quote...how to tell someone has never played a game of basketball....in their life.....they live on STATS.....Jordon didn't win anything until he turned into a more team player instead of a GREAT individual....you didn't touch the Bird part......Stats really tell....not much....stats tell a small part of a story, to the seasoned evaluator, as in a scout for a team....for example, a GREAT passer could show 0% assists, IF he played on a team with people who could never finish at the rim....they were set up perfectly, but flubbed every one.....BUT, what would the STATS say........THATS...the STATS..... ;D
I just think the AI-was-a-ballhog-and-never-passed-the-ball bit is overblown. And the stats help bear that out. Dude was a much more willing passer than fits into most narratives about his game. In fact, by all available metrics, he was a more willing passer than Jordan.
You can't just look at the numbers, you have to have watched them play. AI shot the ball while triple teamed on a regular basis. He took a lot of ill-advised shots under heavy pressure while his teammates were open.
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It's not that you're wrong, it's that the position stated by "Bring Back TWill" Scal verges into hyperbole.
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Bring back TWill...!!!!
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What does that past post have to do with anything.....odd that you would still be holding onto that.....
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There was like a four month period where it seemed like all you posted were variations on "bring back TWill." ;D
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So what, what is with you....It was ONE post.....the guy defended wade and LeBron very well, was a slasher, and reminded me of TA in a good way....and it has nothing to do with this post....many others thought the same thing...they just avoided getting more into it because they saw the immense immaturity that brings down the level of conversation here....it really makes me ask myself WHO am I talking to here, and how young are some here....it is baffling.
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I'm just making some lighthearted comments. It's the offseason, we're either talking about tanking, the upcoming draft class, or totally blowing our roster out of proportion by comparing them to hall of famers.
Relax. That's the smiley face for don't take it seriously. ;D
Perhaps this one should be used instead? 8)
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Enough with the bickering. Calling out other posters isn't allowed under our rules.
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Well, it has been my experience to establish at least some sort of online friendship before you delve into butt busting......people don't know you....just saying things and trying to patch it with a smiley face.....I am actually very reasonable....and do enjoy some joshing about it......but you should think more about the context.....and then see if you are 1 of 100 on someone also....right or wrong...we are all just talking hoop here.....if you wouldn't say it in person to a stranger in a bar...then don't say it here...there is plenty of time to get along with someone here first.....overall it is no big deal.....just fyi....
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All right, Game 1, Green looked great on offense. Bernard King, here we come ;D !
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Why not just turn Green into Bird and leave Rondo as is, done!
Turn Brooks into Michael Jordan.
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the answer to the question as stated is "Yes"
but it is a moot point, because it is a PSYCHOLOGICAL impossibility for Rondo to be as rock-solid consistent as Stockton and for Green to compete like King.
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Others have said it but Green's in some daydreaming/lala state. And thus, once-in-a-while, a young King emerges but then, he's back to his sleepwalking routine.
All right... so time will tell, but if Green can snap out of this malaise, we could see a Bernard King in front of us, a man who can score at will, from anywhere on the court.
And then, if Rondo's shot starts falling... John Stockton on the loose.
The rest of the team has already got their assignments from Stevens.
Then, all you need on top of that is a *Big Game* James Posey-like player and you can compete for a ring.
The idea being is that Posey plays tough 'D' on opposing franchise perimeter players and then, hits those clutch threes when King's double (or triple) teamed down low.
Remember, it took the '84 Celtics, a full 7 games, to stop the Knicks in the ECF when the next best player next to King was Bill Cartwright. If King had Stockton or Posey on his squad, history may have been written differently.
So now, let's write a new future.
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Others have said it but Green's in some daydreaming/lala state. And thus, once-in-a-while, a young King emerges but then, he's back to his sleepwalking routine.
All right... so time will tell, but if Green can snap out of this malaise, we could see a Bernard King in front of us, a man who can score at will, from anywhere on the court.
And then, if Rondo's shot starts falling... John Stockton on the loose.
The rest of the team has already got their assignments from Stevens.
Then, all you need on top of that is a *Big Game* James Posey-like player and you can compete for a ring.
The idea being is that Posey plays tough 'D' on opposing franchise perimeter players and then, hits those clutch threes when King's double (or triple) teamed down low.
In 1984 the Knicks made 47 threes during the entire regular season, the Celts made 55, and only 1 team in the league made more than 1 per game. The league wide 3fg% was .250. Posey wouldn't be hitting those clutch threes because that wasn't how they played back then.
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Others have said it but Green's in some daydreaming/lala state. And thus, once-in-a-while, a young King emerges but then, he's back to his sleepwalking routine.
All right... so time will tell, but if Green can snap out of this malaise, we could see a Bernard King in front of us, a man who can score at will, from anywhere on the court.
And then, if Rondo's shot starts falling... John Stockton on the loose.
The rest of the team has already got their assignments from Stevens.
Then, all you need on top of that is a *Big Game* James Posey-like player and you can compete for a ring.
The idea being is that Posey plays tough 'D' on opposing franchise perimeter players and then, hits those clutch threes when King's double (or triple) teamed down low.
In 1984 the Knicks made 47 threes during the entire regular season, the Celts made 55, and only 1 team in the league made more than 1 per game. The league wide 3fg% was .250. Posey wouldn't be hitting those clutch threes because that wasn't how they played back then.
Sorry, I'd meant our "King", as in Jeff Green. And then, we've got the trio of Green, "Stockton" Rondo, & "Posey" unknown future player.
Plus, if the original Knick's King had Stockton & Posey, they would have been a formidable opponent next to the C's.
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Others have said it but Green's in some daydreaming/lala state. And thus, once-in-a-while, a young King emerges but then, he's back to his sleepwalking routine.
All right... so time will tell, but if Green can snap out of this malaise, we could see a Bernard King in front of us, a man who can score at will, from anywhere on the court.
And then, if Rondo's shot starts falling... John Stockton on the loose.
The rest of the team has already got their assignments from Stevens.
Then, all you need on top of that is a *Big Game* James Posey-like player and you can compete for a ring.
The idea being is that Posey plays tough 'D' on opposing franchise perimeter players and then, hits those clutch threes when King's double (or triple) teamed down low.
Remember, it took the '84 Celtics, a full 7 games, to stop the Knicks in the ECF when the next best player next to King was Bill Cartwright. If King had Stockton or Posey on his squad, history may have been written differently.
So now, let's write a new future.
Juuuuust want to point out that Green is 27. At 27 Bernard King's career was halfway over and he averaged 26.3ppg in 34.6 minutes. Green is a little to old to just be hitting "young King" when he's at his best and actually hope there's a consistent star in there.
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This is a kind of crazy hypothetical but I will play along.
If Rondo comes back and still has all of his prior athleticism but adds a shooting touch comparable to Stockton, that would be a significant upgrade to the team. Then if Green suddenly got consistent and averaged say 25 per game (ala King), those two in that carnation, could form the cornerstones of a title contender.
Neither is impossible but the likelihood of both happening is remote at best. I think it is more likely (or perhaps I should say only slightly less remotely likely) we win the lottery and draft Parker or Wiggins though.
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If Rondo comes back and still has all of his prior athleticism but adds a shooting touch comparable to Stockton, that would be a significant upgrade to the team. Then if Green suddenly got consistent and averaged say 25 per game (ala King), those two in that carnation, could form the cornerstones of a title contender.
Now that's the spirit!
If I may quote a former first lady ...
The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams :)
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Can I say it? King! King! King!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jCq6HjIJGw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jCq6HjIJGw)
Bernard King has been re-born, in Jeff Green's body, this November of 2013 for the Celtics ;D