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Title: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: eugen on July 22, 2013, 10:38:19 PM
http://www.celticslife.com/2013/07/nate-robinson-signs-with-nuggets.html

15. Kenyon Martin, Knicks - Oh K-Mart, what could have been? After being passed over by the Celtics, Martin signed with the Knicks in February and made a big impact. After contributing 7.2 PPG and 5.3 RPG in just 23.9 MPG for New York last season, Martin should be able to find himself another NBA job this season. Although he's now entering his 14th season, the 35 year old former #1 overall pick has a niché as an above average rebounder and all-around tough guy that should interest teams. At the top of that list, the Knicks, who are reportedly interested.

14. Dejuan Blair, Spurs - Blair could not have picked a worse time for a down season, as the four year veteran had his worst season for the Western Conference champs last year. Despite that, Blair is drawing interest from the Wizards, and his penchant for being a beast on the glass (5.8 RPG in just 18.9 MPG, career offensive rebounding percentage of 13.9%), mixed with his relative youth (only 24 years old) should net him a job coming off someones bench.

13. Sebastian Telfair, Raptors - If you had told me in 2007 that Sebastian Telfair would still be in the league in 2013, I may not have believed you. However, Seabass has carved out a career as an above average defensive guard who can give you 15-20 decent minutes a night off the bench. He hasn't played more than 20 minutes per night since 2008-09, but Telfair has received interest from several teams, including the Nets. Telfair has yet to appear in a playoff game in his nine year career.
 
12. Leandro Barbosa, Wizards - The Brazilian Blur is coming off an ACL injury, but once healthy should immediately find a job coming off someone's bench. Last season for the Celtics Barbosa averaged 5.2 points in just 12 minutes per game, showing that he can still fill it up when given the chance. Considering the fact he's only 30 years old, he should have no problem recovering from his injury and securing a job. Even if it takes him until Christmas or so.
 
11. Timofey Mozgov, Nuggets - Mozgov is a little different than some of the other names on this list, as  teams are interested in him not for what he's done (admittedly very little), but for what he's capable of. A true seven footer, Mozgov was buried last season in Denver, but in his limited playing time has always produced (his per 36 minutes numbers for his career: 11.6 points/9.3 boards/1.9 blocks). The Kings have shown interest in taking a shot on the Russian big man, who at 27 years old is still an intriguing project.
 
10. Austin Daye, Grizzlies - Another player who is on this list based more on potential than his impact to this point, the fourth year big man out of Gonzaga has several of the tools necessary to be a solid power forward in the NBA. He's big (6'11"), and can shoot the ball from anywhere on the floor (career 36% from three point range), yet hasn't stuck in either of his first two stops (Detroit/Memphis). The Knicks worked him out last week, and Daye must know that this upcoming season is his last, best shot to make an NBA impact.
 


9. Lamar Odom, Clippers - Lamar Odom is a walking example of just how far a player can fall overnight. After averaging 14/9/3 for the Lakers in 2010-11, Odom appeared to have plenty left in the tank at age 31. However, two lost seasons with the Mavericks and Clippers have caused his stock to plummet. The Clips are reportedly interested in retaining him, but Odom has a lot of work to do if he wants to resurrect his career back to anything like what he had with the Lakers.
 
8. Antawn Jamison, Lakers - Has anyone else ever averaged 19 PPG for 15 seasons and made less of an impact than Jamison? Think about it. He's 39th all-time in scoring and 60th all-time in rebounds, yet is he even going to get a tiny bit of Hall of Fame consideration? I don't think so. But that's a discussion for 2020, for now Jamison is still a viable big man option off the bench, and the Clippers are interested (although that was before the team signed Byron Mullens. Seems unlikely that they'd have room for both).
 
7. Brandan Wright, Mavericks - Wright is somehow entering his 7th NBA season at the age of 25, and is coming off his best year as a pro, putting up 8.5 PPG ,4.1 RPG and 1.2 BPG for the Mavericks last season. That production, and his ability to play multiple positions seems to be paying off for Wright, who's currently talking with Dallas about a deal that will pay him close to $4M a season.
 
6. Gary Neal, Spurs - Neal is coming off a breakout performance in the NBA Finals, and has drawn interest from a number of teams, including the Pistons. He's a natural shooting guard but a little undersized at 6'4", and can play point if necessary. At age 28 and coming off such a stellar playoffs, Neal is reportedly looking for a multi-year deal, and has talked with both the Pistons and Nets.
 


5. Gerald Henderson, Bobcats - Once thought to be a lock to return to Charlotte, talks between the Bobcats and the former Blue Devil have slowed to the point where the team is now discussing sign-and-trade possibilities for the 25 year old. Henderson has broken out over the past two seasons, topping 15 PPG in both, and is reportedly looking for $5+ million per season. It remains to be seen if another team will step up and not only reach that monetary commitment, but also give up the pieces necessary to make a deal work with MJ and company.
 
4. Mo Williams, Jazz - Williams is reportedly looking for a starting gig, but as the off-season marches on he may have to eventually back off of that. Despite the lack of interest to this point, Williams earns his spot on this list with consistent production (8 straight years above 12 PPG, 5 seasons of 5+ APG), and elite shooting from deep (career 39% from three). He's been injured over the past four seasons (missing an average of 22 games per year), but if healthy he should be able to find a significant role somewhere.
 
3. Greg Oden, FA - It speaks volumes of Oden's talent level that he ranks number three on this updated list despite the fact that he hasn't played this decade. But when you think about his price tag (short tern deal with limited guaranteed cash),  potential, and position (how many dominant centers are there in the NBA?), it's no wonder that teams are lining up to work him out. It's extremely disappointing to me that the C's don't appear to be on his short list, as Oden has reportedly narrowed his list down to the Heat, Pelicans, Kings, Spurs and Mavericks. It will be interesting to see if Oden can become the first player in NBA history to overcome three microfracture surgeries. Right now it appears that several clubs are willing to bet that he will.
 


2. Brandon Jennings, Bucks - The summer continues to march on without Jennings and the Bucks agreeing on a deal, seemingly leaving the door open for another team to swoop in and acquire him in a sign-and-trade. In the first installment of this list I had Jennings number one, but after analyzing it further, he is more suited to be below Pekovic. While no one can doubt his immense talents, his inefficiency (39.9% shooting last season) is tough to overlook. As of now it wouldn't be surprising if Jennings took his $4.5M qualifying offer and played one more season in Milwaukee before hitting unrestricted free agency.
 
1. Nikola Pekovic, Timberwolves - Pekovic is the best free agent remaining on the market, coming off of a season in which he averaged 16.3 points and 8.8 boards per game during his age 27 season. However, the Wolves are well aware of Pek's break out season and appear ready to give him $12 million per season. Yet, for some reason Pekovic still has not signed the deal, despite the fact that it has reportedly been on the table for over two weeks. Despite that, look for Pekovic to sign with Minnesota sooner rather than later. After all, the Wolves have the right to match any deal, so why wouldn't the two sides just get it over with and start to look forward to next season?
 
Title: Re: 10 notable free agents remaining
Post by: LooseCannon on July 22, 2013, 10:56:09 PM
a) That's 15, not 10
b) It looks like you cut-and-pasted without attribution.
Title: Re: 10 notable free agents remaining
Post by: saltlover on July 22, 2013, 11:18:25 PM
a) That's 15, not 10
b) It looks like you cut-and-pasted without attribution.

It's Danny Ainge's fault.
Title: Re: 10 notable free agents remaining
Post by: eugen on July 22, 2013, 11:27:44 PM
a) That's 15, not 10
b) It looks like you cut-and-pasted without attribution.

It's Danny Ainge's fault.

For you DA is "the hero"

p.s. please kid do not destroy all threads directing them in wrong way
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: nickagneta on July 23, 2013, 12:08:17 AM
Where's the link to this article or at least the credit from where it came from because obviously this is not your work eugen.

Seems like a good list though. I don't see the Celtics going after any of these guys, however.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: D.o.s. on July 23, 2013, 12:14:21 AM
Link (yes, it's the right link, even with the nate rob content).

http://www.celticslife.com/2013/07/nate-robinson-signs-with-nuggets.html
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: Mikedmx6 on July 23, 2013, 12:16:54 AM
Are you serious right now bashing this, like taking it that personal? Grow up
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: nickagneta on July 23, 2013, 12:24:14 AM
Are you serious right now bashing this, like taking it that personal? Grow up
Who????????
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: Mikedmx6 on July 23, 2013, 12:44:34 AM
Loosecannon
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: LooseCannon on July 23, 2013, 02:20:33 AM
???
Title: Re: 10 notable free agents remaining
Post by: bfrombleacher on July 23, 2013, 03:15:46 AM
a) That's 15, not 10
b) It looks like you cut-and-pasted without attribution.

It's Danny Ainge's fault.

It's actually Rondo's fault.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: Mazingerz on July 23, 2013, 03:37:44 AM
eugen you naughty naughty boy, you just lifted this from celticslife didnt you;

And No, this is not Rondo or D.A's fault. its Glenn Rivers fault  ;D
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: celticslove on July 23, 2013, 07:55:44 AM
???
(http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/334/3/0/trek_double_facepalm_by_texanjoe-d4hrrt8.jpg)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: Bankshot on July 23, 2013, 08:20:35 AM
Oden and Gerald Henderson, please.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: Boris Badenov on July 23, 2013, 08:48:08 AM
a) That's 15, not 10
b) It looks like you cut-and-pasted without attribution.

Are you serious right now bashing this, like taking it that personal? Grow up

Mike this is a direct quote from the site rules:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=10.0

Quote
Use your own words. If you wish to use the words of somebody else, quote them, citing the source. Plagiarism is unethical and is illegal in many countries.

The "15 not 10" line was, in my mind, a helpful correction (and maybe a hint that eugen would have been more familiar with how long the list is if he'd written it himself).

I'm not sure what constitutes "bashing" or a "personal" attack on the internet you regularly frequent, but this doesn't seem like it to me. Although, in some quarters telling someone to "grow up" might be perceived as pretty rude.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: slamtheking on July 23, 2013, 09:14:27 AM
Henderson or Neal would help at SG if we could jettison at least 2 of the ones we already have. 
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: PhoSita on July 23, 2013, 09:21:14 AM
I'm not interested in any of those names, unless we're gonna somehow get Nik Pekovic for 10 million a year without giving anything of significance up.

(Hey T-Wolves, how about Humphries for Pekovic? har har har)
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: CelticConcourse on July 23, 2013, 09:32:42 AM
Citation is the key.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: Moranis on July 23, 2013, 09:39:35 AM
Oden and Pekovic would be good signings depending on the money.

Henderson might also be a possibility depending on what Charlotte wants.  I mean if you could Henderson (something like 4 yrs, 25 million) and MKG for something like Bass (or Lee), Bradley, Melo, and a couple of lottery protected 1sts, I think you would have to do that.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: PhoSita on July 23, 2013, 09:49:48 AM
Oden and Pekovic would be good signings depending on the money.

Henderson might also be a possibility depending on what Charlotte wants.  I mean if you could Henderson (something like 4 yrs, 25 million) and MKG for something like Bass (or Lee), Bradley, Melo, and a couple of lottery protected 1sts, I think you would have to do that.

Why in the world would they basically dump MKG like that?  His rookie stats weren't gaudy but considering his age he actually had a really good season.  MKG might never be an All-Star, at least not for his scoring, but any smart talent evaluator probably sees him as a potential Andre Iguodala / Shawn Marion type (i.e. a very valuable player).
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: Fafnir on July 23, 2013, 10:17:11 AM
I've edited the title and OP to attribute the article to Celticslife, lets move onto the content in the article for this thread.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: Q_FBE on July 23, 2013, 10:46:54 AM
Given the Celtics are currently over the roster limit of 15 and virtually standing on the luxery tax line, we are not in the market for any of these players. Perhaps we can be facilitators in any sign and trade deal with a few of the FA not signed to their current teams.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: Moranis on July 23, 2013, 10:52:28 AM
Oden and Pekovic would be good signings depending on the money.

Henderson might also be a possibility depending on what Charlotte wants.  I mean if you could Henderson (something like 4 yrs, 25 million) and MKG for something like Bass (or Lee), Bradley, Melo, and a couple of lottery protected 1sts, I think you would have to do that.

Why in the world would they basically dump MKG like that?  His rookie stats weren't gaudy but considering his age he actually had a really good season.  MKG might never be an All-Star, at least not for his scoring, but any smart talent evaluator probably sees him as a potential Andre Iguodala / Shawn Marion type (i.e. a very valuable player).
Well it isn't dumping him if you get Bradley and 2 firsts, but it probably isn't enough especially with Henderson.  That said there have been a number of reports that they aren't happy with him and are looking to move him so you just never know.  They also have no bad contracts so it would be tough to help them out in that manner.  I suppose we could take Gordon.  I know you can't trade Humphries with other players, but I think there is that rule that says if the trades would work on their own they could be combined, so maybe we can add Hump and get back Gordon to add a bit more value to Charlotte.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining
Post by: PhoSita on July 23, 2013, 11:44:27 AM
Oden and Pekovic would be good signings depending on the money.

Henderson might also be a possibility depending on what Charlotte wants.  I mean if you could Henderson (something like 4 yrs, 25 million) and MKG for something like Bass (or Lee), Bradley, Melo, and a couple of lottery protected 1sts, I think you would have to do that.

Why in the world would they basically dump MKG like that?  His rookie stats weren't gaudy but considering his age he actually had a really good season.  MKG might never be an All-Star, at least not for his scoring, but any smart talent evaluator probably sees him as a potential Andre Iguodala / Shawn Marion type (i.e. a very valuable player).
Well it isn't dumping him if you get Bradley and 2 firsts, but it probably isn't enough especially with Henderson.  That said there have been a number of reports that they aren't happy with him and are looking to move him so you just never know.  They also have no bad contracts so it would be tough to help them out in that manner.  I suppose we could take Gordon.  I know you can't trade Humphries with other players, but I think there is that rule that says if the trades would work on their own they could be combined, so maybe we can add Hump and get back Gordon to add a bit more value to Charlotte.

Eh, I saw some silly rumors that they were considering trading him so they could draft Otto Porter, but those never really made any sense and were pretty flatly and emphatically denied by Rich Cho, the Bobcats GM.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: nostar on July 23, 2013, 12:13:04 PM
I imagine that the C's aren't in the market for anyone. It's delusional to look at Ainge's off season moves and not see a rebuild year. Here is what I see on the horizon:

Trade Humphries/Bogans for ANY assets we can get. Either young flawed prospects, late 1sts or early 2nd rounders. Probably at the deadline. If not they will expire and we'll see cap space.

Waive Wallace via stretch. He'll be a bench player for us as Green will certainly start. I don't think we'll waive him this season but probably next when we want more cap space.

Cut Randolph.

Trade Crawford/Bass/Lee for anything. We might keep Lee but he's probably the most valuable of the three.

Bring Rondo back slowly. December/January is my guess.

--------------------------------

This is a reorganization year. We're going to get our cap space ready for 2014 and get a lottery pick. There is no reason to think we'll take a swing at anyone who might make us more competitive. It's just not in line with Ainge's current moves.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: chambers on July 23, 2013, 06:03:03 PM
why would we want any of these bums?
I love Barbosa but what's the point?

Eugen would rather have a 10th seeded team in the East and a 12th pick over a 5th pick.
What do ANY of these bums give us at this point in the team's rebuild situation?
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: gpap on July 23, 2013, 06:26:13 PM
Considering we need another center and point guard, I'd love to have any one of Oden, Pekovic or Mozgov and then Mo Williams.

Like someone else mentioned, I don't see Minny letting Pekovic go unless they decide to go with Ronny Turiaf as their starting center (rofl!)

With Oden, could we do a sign and trade with Portland?

I only ask because it could help our chances but I am not sure if this can be done since Oden hasn't played since 2009 (lol.)
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: LooseCannon on July 23, 2013, 07:51:40 PM
Like someone else mentioned, I don't see Minny letting Pekovic go unless they decide to go with Ronny Turiaf as their starting center (rofl!)

With Oden, could we do a sign and trade with Portland?

The formula for trading for Pekovic probably involves being able to threaten to sign him to a max offer sheet, then offering Minny enough to make them think a trade is better than over-paying.

Oden was not under contract last season so you can't do a S&T under the new CBA.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: danglertx on July 23, 2013, 08:25:54 PM
The way to get Pekovic is agree to a one year deal with him that makes him a free agent at say 15mil with an agreement after you will rework it to say 3yr 33mil deal or so.

The reason is, Minny then loses rights to Pekovic after one year, they have to pay a larger one year deal and are less likely to match.

The thing is, you need 15mil cap space to do it, which not many teams have left.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: European NBA fan on July 23, 2013, 09:06:28 PM
The way to get Pekovic is agree to a one year deal with him that makes him a free agent at say 15mil with an agreement after you will rework it to say 3yr 33mil deal or so.

The reason is, Minny then loses rights to Pekovic after one year, they have to pay a larger one year deal and are less likely to match.

The thing is, you need 15mil cap space to do it, which not many teams have left.

You can't legally offer him a one year deal as a RFA. The offer sheet has to be for at least two seasons (not counting optional seasons).
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: danglertx on July 23, 2013, 09:10:31 PM
The way to get Pekovic is agree to a one year deal with him that makes him a free agent at say 15mil with an agreement after you will rework it to say 3yr 33mil deal or so.

The reason is, Minny then loses rights to Pekovic after one year, they have to pay a larger one year deal and are less likely to match.

The thing is, you need 15mil cap space to do it, which not many teams have left.

You can't legally offer him a one year deal as a RFA. The offer sheet has to be for at least two seasons (not counting optional seasons).

Never heard that, fair enough.  I think I was thinking of the Patriots that tried that with Sanders and not the Celtics. 
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: nickagneta on July 23, 2013, 10:04:35 PM
The way to get Pekovic is agree to a one year deal with him that makes him a free agent at say 15mil with an agreement after you will rework it to say 3yr 33mil deal or so.

The reason is, Minny then loses rights to Pekovic after one year, they have to pay a larger one year deal and are less likely to match.

The thing is, you need 15mil cap space to do it, which not many teams have left.

You can't legally offer him a one year deal as a RFA. The offer sheet has to be for at least two seasons (not counting optional seasons).

Never heard that, fair enough.  I think I was thinking of the Patriots that tried that with Sanders and not the Celtics.
Also, its against the CBA to offer a side deal to get a deal done. You can not sign anyone under any contract with a verbal side deal being that you will follow that contract up with another contract.

Its why the Doc deal didn't go through. Its why the TWolves lost 5 1st round picks in the Joe Smith deal. That would be a major legal issue in the NBA that could cost your franchise dearly for a decade.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: gpap on July 23, 2013, 10:10:13 PM
Well, cross Oden off the list.

Apparently he's deciding between Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, NO, Sacramento and SA (per Marc Spears).

Pretty bad when even a free agent that has played as much NBA basketball in the last 3 years as I have, doesn't want to come to Boston.  Looks like we have no choice but to rebuild through the draft.

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo

Free agent center Greg Oden to make decision next week picking from Sacramento, Miami, ATL, NO, San Antonio & Dallas, source told Y! Sports
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: SparzWizard on July 23, 2013, 11:41:07 PM
Well, cross Oden off the list.

Apparently he's deciding between Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, NO, Sacramento and SA (per Marc Spears).

Pretty bad when even a free agent that has played as much NBA basketball in the last 3 years as I have, doesn't want to come to Boston.  Looks like we have no choice but to rebuild through the draft.

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo

Free agent center Greg Oden to make decision next week picking from Sacramento, Miami, ATL, NO, San Antonio & Dallas, source told Y! Sports


Man, if Miami Heat signs him...I can see a three-peat.

PG - Mario Chalmers
SG - Dwyane Wade
SF - LeBron James
PF - Chris Bosh
C - Greg Oden

One devastating lineup I think.
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: beklog on July 24, 2013, 12:08:05 AM
Well, cross Oden off the list.

Apparently he's deciding between Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, NO, Sacramento and SA (per Marc Spears).

Pretty bad when even a free agent that has played as much NBA basketball in the last 3 years as I have, doesn't want to come to Boston.  Looks like we have no choice but to rebuild through the draft.

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo

Free agent center Greg Oden to make decision next week picking from Sacramento, Miami, ATL, NO, San Antonio & Dallas, source told Y! Sports


Man, if Miami Heat signs him...I can see a three-peat.

PG - Mario Chalmers
SG - Dwyane Wade
SF - LeBron James
PF - Chris Bosh
C - Greg Oden

One devastating lineup I think.

3 chances they won't get 3 peat... I hope
1. Nets superteam and the improved Pacers, hope they meet the NETS in the ECF
2. Imporoved West teams, in case they managed to get passed the NETS, Doc and the Clips will take care of them. I like Clips and Warriors chances against them
3. Wade & Oden's knees  ;D
Title: Re: 15 notable free agents remaining (CelticsLife Article)
Post by: LooseCannon on July 24, 2013, 12:14:07 AM
Well, cross Oden off the list.

Apparently he's deciding between Miami, Dallas, Atlanta, NO, Sacramento and SA (per Marc Spears).

Pretty bad when even a free agent that has played as much NBA basketball in the last 3 years as I have, doesn't want to come to Boston.  Looks like we have no choice but to rebuild through the draft.

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo

Free agent center Greg Oden to make decision next week picking from Sacramento, Miami, ATL, NO, San Antonio & Dallas, source told Y! Sports


Did Oden cross the Celtics off his list or did Danny Ainge cross Oden off his list?  I'd be satisfied if Danny decided that Faverani and Iverson are sufficient and it is no longer worth it to consider Oden as an option.

Oden seems to be interested in teams where he is not expected to start.  If Boston had an established starting center and looked like a playoff team, I think Oden would have the Celtics among the teams he is considering.