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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: GranTur on July 22, 2013, 10:01:17 PM
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“I think a lot of people don’t realize that we played a lot of iso, one-on-one basketball,” Bogans said Monday at a press conference to introduce new Celtics. “Some guys were left out. I mean, if you’re style of play didn’t fit what they were doing then your game would fall off. And everybody didn’t fit the style of one-on-one basketball that we played last year, especially Kris and Gerald, the way they play, they’re hustle players.”
Gerald and Bogans are known as high-class guys around the NBA. Kris is known as a work-horse who sacrifices himself for his team.
They all feel massively disrespected right now between the circus the Nets ran last year and how everyone wants the Celtics to tank or thinks they will suck.
Avery played out of position for the team last year and is finally healthy.
Rondo always has a huge chip on his shoulder anyway.
Green is equipped to step up.
We know Sullinger is a beast.
Olynyk is a great complement.
Our team is full of scrappy, skilled, and hustling players with a lot to prove, all playing for a coach in Bad Brad Stevens that fits this style. Wallace, Humphries, and Brooks have their opportunity to make their mark here.
I don't know what success the Celtics will have, if any, but I will not turn the TV off for a second.
The Celtics players and I have too much pride to give up on the Celtics.
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Just in case you didn't realize Bogans is a scrub. There's a reason he hasn't stuck with any team in his fairly long NBA career. IMO, you should put the same amount of stock into his words that you would a Jason Collins in the same situation. I doubt he will garner much if any respect from young players to make much of a difference in the locker room. He's definitley not going to make much if any impact on the floor. Feel how you want to feel about this upcoming season, but don't let a guy like Bogans factor into it.
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Kind of hard to bash bogans, when he's trying to find a positive out of his situation, and in reality I agree with him, humprhies and Wallace will have a better year than last year, and in reality if you think rondo wont make then better players your lying to yourself. I'm sure any celtics fan can make a list for you on players that rondo made better!
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Just in case you didn't realize Bogans is a scrub. There's a reason he hasn't stuck with any team in his fairly long NBA career. IMO, you should put the same amount of stock into his words that you would a Jason Collins in the same situation. I doubt he will garner much if any respect from young players to make much of a difference in the locker room. He's definitley not going to make much if any impact on the floor. Feel how you want to feel about this upcoming season, but don't let a guy like Bogans factor into it.
I'm confused by your response. I didn't say Bogans was going to make any difference in these guys.
I was just bringing up a valid point he made about how Wallace and Humphries are capable of much more than what they produced in the '12-'13 season.
Reread my post. XD
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I'm getting a Bogans jersey right now
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We could name him "Hulk Bogans"
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Bogus Bogans
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Just in case you didn't realize Bogans is a scrub. There's a reason he hasn't stuck with any team in his fairly long NBA career. IMO, you should put the same amount of stock into his words that you would a Jason Collins in the same situation. I doubt he will garner much if any respect from young players to make much of a difference in the locker room. He's definitley not going to make much if any impact on the floor. Feel how you want to feel about this upcoming season, but don't let a guy like Bogans factor into it.
wow
bogans is good enough to have a 10 year NBA career
not a lot of players can say that
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Just in case you didn't realize Bogans is a scrub. There's a reason he hasn't stuck with any team in his fairly long NBA career. IMO, you should put the same amount of stock into his words that you would a Jason Collins in the same situation. I doubt he will garner much if any respect from young players to make much of a difference in the locker room. He's definitley not going to make much if any impact on the floor. Feel how you want to feel about this upcoming season, but don't let a guy like Bogans factor into it.
I'm confused by your response. I didn't say Bogans was going to make any difference in these guys.
I was just bringing up a valid point he made about how Wallace and Humphries are capable of much more than what they produced in the '12-'13 season.
Reread my post. XD
I think it was a worthwhile post and Bogans had a point. not sure why MU is hacking on Bogans. Sounds like Bogans has a better insight into the Nets than most people and what he's saying makes some sense.
We could very well be a better team than most people here are expecting (including me) but I don't see us as a playoff team, even in the East.
As far as us being a winning team, if GW returns to form, KH delivers hustle, rebounding and some decent D (while filling in at Center), we could possibly be a 32-35 win team instead of the 25-win team I think they'll be.
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Just in case you didn't realize Bogans is a scrub. There's a reason he hasn't stuck with any team in his fairly long NBA career. IMO, you should put the same amount of stock into his words that you would a Jason Collins in the same situation. I doubt he will garner much if any respect from young players to make much of a difference in the locker room. He's definitley not going to make much if any impact on the floor. Feel how you want to feel about this upcoming season, but don't let a guy like Bogans factor into it.
Would you rather the mantra be "okay we suck. We know we suck. We're aiming for 10 wins but we are young! Please come watch our games!"
Although I agree with you that Bogans is a scrub. Please do not associate him with a first ballot Hall of Famer like Jason Collins.
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Bogans sees a niche for himself here and he's trying to fill it.
He probably doesn't want to get traded again, and he seems to be smart enough to realize that being known as a good locker room presence may keep him in the league for a couple more years than his talent might warrant.
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Just in case you didn't realize Bogans is a scrub. There's a reason he hasn't stuck with any team in his fairly long NBA career. IMO, you should put the same amount of stock into his words that you would a Jason Collins in the same situation. I doubt he will garner much if any respect from young players to make much of a difference in the locker room. He's definitley not going to make much if any impact on the floor. Feel how you want to feel about this upcoming season, but don't let a guy like Bogans factor into it.
What? Why are you dissing him that much? Bogans is a good locker room guy, and a lot of teams know this. He's been moving in and out, because that locker room presence is valuable, and the teams he was on didn't need him as they had other players to fill that role.
Bogans is old, but at least he can shoot a three, and play good minutes of solid defense.
Bogans also won't be the one complaining or moaning if his minutes are short. He's just backing up his teammates.. Would you like him to sign the song of, "We are the champions..."
Or...
"I was supposed to go work.... But then I got high..."
Then again, I'm not really surprised. Many people dislike Rondo, and call him out despite his fierce and tenacious personality.
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Just in case you didn't realize Bogans is a scrub. There's a reason he hasn't stuck with any team in his fairly long NBA career. IMO, you should put the same amount of stock into his words that you would a Jason Collins in the same situation. I doubt he will garner much if any respect from young players to make much of a difference in the locker room. He's definitley not going to make much if any impact on the floor. Feel how you want to feel about this upcoming season, but don't let a guy like Bogans factor into it.
If anything, I would say the fact that Bogans consistently gets an NBA job despite not being a very productive or gifted player says something about his intangible value -- including his leadership in the locker room. Same for guys like Derek Fisher, Jason Collins, Juwon Howard, Chuck Hayes, etc.
Also, I share the original poster's enthusiasm that we have a team well suited for sharing the ball, though I think that may be more of a necessity due to lack of scoring talent rather than a strength. It could be fun to watch at times, though, even if it doesn't result in many wins.
This might work well for Rondo, though, because whenever he's on the floor he really will be the only guy out there who is competent being the ball handler, so orchestrating the offense completely and totally will be the only option.
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I wonder if the admins can merge this fine thread with my Following of Keith Bogans career thread that I started. My feeling is that Bogans replaces Courtney Lee in the rotation after Lee and Bass are traded away. So the forgotten Nets of last year become the leaders of this transitionary Celtics team. They could even finish with a slightly better record than last season just to tick off the Tank for Wiggins "Celtic Bandwagoneers"
They might remind me of one of my favorite non Celtic teams of all time, the 1987 Sonics that were supposed to stink according to Red Auerbach and then ended up beating 2 seed Dallas, and 3 seed Houston (defending WCF champions with Ralph Sampson and Hakeem Olajuwon) before losing to the 1987 Lakers (First three were competitive games).
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I think Bogans has a point. He isn't saying "I am great", he is saying that Wallace and Humphries were held back by a style of play in Brooklyn.
Wallace was at his best when he was a focal player on a bad team. He will kind of get that chance again in Boston. I agree and am hopeful that he will play well enough to garner some trade value. I think the Celtics are going to "feature" him and make sure he gets touches.
Humphries, I am not so sure. I never saw much in him and never understood the contract. Hopefully he will get rebounds.
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I am looking forward to this season, even if it may be one of those years where we won't be playing past the regular season.
The fact that we are younger, have a new coach, a new era has dawned is really fascinating. After a while, of course, the glimmer will fade and we'll want to see some production and roster moves within the next 1-3 seasons that can really show us fans that serious moves/efforts are being made to get us back into contention. So far though, I am really looking forward to the 2013-2014 Celtics NBA season...playoffs or no playoffs.
As far as Bogans, I wouldn't expect him to say anything along the lines of, "We know we aren't going to be a strong, strong team this season." He is saying all of the proper comments to the media and it's good. I get what the poster who said that Bogans is a scrub is trying to convey. I don't think Bogans is a scrub. That may have been a little far fetched, but the guy isn't going to be a savior of the franchise either. He'll scrap, provide a little bit of veteran leadership, have a game here and there where he steps up, but nothing much more than that. Perhaps the poster could have used better wording.
Just try to make the best out of the upcoming season, take as many positives from it as possible. The team won't be bad or "middle of the road" forever. And also, I do not believe it'll be another 22 years either. I think we will be back into contention within 3-5 seasons. That's just my opinion.
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Bogans has a voice that would translate well to radio. Whatever he says must be taken a little more seriously as a result. The young kids will listen to him.
As far as this quote, it rings true to me. I still wish we could void his contract, but alas, it's guaranteed.
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http://youtu.be/2BpEFJXQ8bo Just look at the shooting and hard nose fouls he brings...he's going to help
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They could even finish with a slightly better record than last season just to tick off the Tank for Wiggins "Celtic Bandwagoneers"
I take issue with this attitude.
You may not agree with people who advocate for tanking / rebuilding through high draft picks, but that doesn't make them bandwagon fans. Having that attitude makes you seem ignorant and narrow-minded.
I'm getting pretty tired of all of the thoughtless and lazy labeling going on around here since the season ended. It's really dragging the general atmosphere down and derailing a lot of potentially interesting discussions.
If it's not going to be curtailed by mods, then as a community we should make a point of shaming people into cutting it out.
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so, why not. we have a top five pg in rondo, a top notch defender in bradley, a scorer in green, a top ten pick in sully until the back issues to go along with the rest of the roster. mr kardashian is a year removed 13/11 season and is still young. i think this team could make the playoffs, that said, danny ain't done yet.....
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I'm actually already tired of Bogans. He isn't good enough to swing games. He probably won't see very much floor time as a result of that.
I was looking at potential depth charts for the C's and I'm having trouble seeing Bogans as anything more than a 3rd stringer. We'd definitely rather hype Lee's value for trades (or Brooks for that matter) than give an expiring 33 year old significant playing time. The only way I see Bogans being on the floor is if we're intentionally trying to lose games.
Celtic pride this year should look like supporting our young guys, not being overly critical of rebuilding strategy.
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Humphries, I am not so sure. I never saw much in him and never understood the contract. Hopefully he will get rebounds.
He was intentionally overpaid so he would take a shorter contract that could be more easily traded. Contracts don't always correlate to playing ability.
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I do think this year's Celtics team will be a scrappy bunch. I just don't expect anything from Bogans.
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I just don't expect anything from Bogans.
I expect him to play good perimeter defense. I expect him to shoot threes at a higher percentage than MarShon Brooks.
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I'd like to see us get at least one other superstar/star if we are planning to make the playoffs since it'd be pointless to make the playoffs, lose in the first or second round AND miss out on the lottery and potential addition of Wiggins/Parker/any other star we could get.
The only thing with trying to make the playoffs is that its almost completely obvious that we can't get past the 1st or 2nd round. If we get extremely lucky and reach the ECF, we will still lose to the Heat and that will be the same story every year while Rondo is in his prime and as Green also reaches his prime. We need another star, else we will keep trying to make the playoffs year-after-year and lose in the first or second round every time.
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Humphries, I am not so sure. I never saw much in him and never understood the contract. Hopefully he will get rebounds.
He was intentionally overpaid so he would take a shorter contract that could be more easily traded. Contracts don't always correlate to playing ability.
He wasn't, really. He just never maintained the production that got him the contract (14/11 with 1+ block).
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I'd like to see us get at least one other superstar/star if we are planning to make the playoffs since it'd be pointless to make the playoffs, lose in the first or second round AND miss out on the lottery and potential addition of Wiggins/Parker/any other star we could get.
Stars like to win, so making the playoffs is better than not for the purpose of convincing a star who is a free agent or who is requesting a trade that Boston is a good place to go. That doesn't help add another star for this season, but it helps if you are thinking beyond this season.
If the Celtics are a second-round exit, that would put them in the same position as Golden State, a young and exciting team whose new-found relevance allowed them to be in the running for Dwight Howard and to land a big-name free agent in Andre Iguodala who took less money to go to Golden State rather than stay in Denver.
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Humphries, I am not so sure. I never saw much in him and never understood the contract. Hopefully he will get rebounds.
He was intentionally overpaid so he would take a shorter contract that could be more easily traded. Contracts don't always correlate to playing ability.
He wasn't, really. He just never maintained the production that got him the contract (14/11 with 1+ block).
His production wasn't that different from years past. The main difference was a decrease in playing time.
I think the Nets were pretty clearly trying to create a sort of salary slot so that Humphries could potentially be traded for a star in the future.
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Humphries, I am not so sure. I never saw much in him and never understood the contract. Hopefully he will get rebounds.
He was intentionally overpaid so he would take a shorter contract that could be more easily traded. Contracts don't always correlate to playing ability.
He wasn't, really. He just never maintained the production that got him the contract (14/11 with 1+ block).
His production wasn't that different from years past. The main difference was a decrease in playing time.
I think the Nets were pretty clearly trying to create a sort of salary slot so that Humphries could potentially be traded for a star in the future.
No, but it fell off a cliff last year (mostly in the scoring department) -- worst pp36 since his sophomore year, and pretty poor FG% (less than .450).
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Humphries, I am not so sure. I never saw much in him and never understood the contract. Hopefully he will get rebounds.
He was intentionally overpaid so he would take a shorter contract that could be more easily traded. Contracts don't always correlate to playing ability.
He wasn't, really. He just never maintained the production that got him the contract (14/11 with 1+ block).
His production wasn't that different from years past. The main difference was a decrease in playing time.
I think the Nets were pretty clearly trying to create a sort of salary slot so that Humphries could potentially be traded for a star in the future.
No, but it fell off a cliff last year (mostly in the scoring department) -- worst pp36 since his sophomore year, and pretty poor FG% (less than .450).
His pp36 declined mainly because his shot attempts per 36 declined.
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I'm just surprised that Bogans is getting so much praise for his talk. It seems like people think he's going to bring some type of great veteran presence to the team. This is a dude that made a list of top 10 worst players in the NBA. I'm sure the coaches will love him for what it's worht though.
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I'm just surprised that Bogans is getting so much praise for his talk. It seems like people think he's going to bring some type of great veteran presence to the team. This is a dude that made a list of top 10 worst players in the NBA. I'm sure the coaches will love him for what it's worht though.
Was Scal on that list too?
It's nice to see guys stick in the NBA over a long period despite shortcomings in their game. Almost always points to intangibles or leadership qualities. Seems strange to want him to be quiet due to not being a star. It wasn't like he went and predicted a championship or something silly....