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Title: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Birdman on July 22, 2013, 05:48:55 PM
Ryan Braun has been suspended for rest of the season. And here we go, he wont be the last
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Birdman on July 22, 2013, 05:50:39 PM
Also this tells me that he lied about last season when he said he was innocent. And that draining noise that u hear is his Hall Of Fame and image going down the toilet
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Fafnir on July 22, 2013, 05:52:18 PM
Waived his appeal to get it done this season as the Brewers aren't competing for the playoffs this year.

Other players who are on competitive teams are more likely to drag this out.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: KGs Knee on July 22, 2013, 05:58:45 PM
So does he give his MVP trophy back?
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Moranis on July 22, 2013, 06:00:31 PM
Waived his appeal to get it done this season as the Brewers aren't competing for the playoffs this year.

Other players who are on competitive teams are more likely to drag this out.
yeah and it becomes 60 something games instead of 100 as well.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Birdman on July 22, 2013, 06:01:33 PM
My guess is that A-Rod is next..and he has a "quad"  ;) injury
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Moranis on July 22, 2013, 06:15:21 PM
and in other news Von Miller likely to get a 4 game suspension for PED usage and no one cares.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: KGs Knee on July 22, 2013, 06:26:51 PM
and in other news Von Miller likely to get a 4 game suspension for PED usage and no one cares.

Pretty certain he was suspended for "recreational" drugs, not PED's.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: slamtheking on July 22, 2013, 06:38:48 PM
As one of the few Brewer fans here, I can't express my disappointment  in Braun strongly enough.  I gave him the benefit of the doubt before but now I'd like to see the whole lot of them kicked out of the game for at least 2 years.  Enough is enough
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: saltlover on July 22, 2013, 06:43:29 PM
and in other news Von Miller likely to get a 4 game suspension for PED usage and no one cares.

As a Broncos fan, I care greatly!
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: kozlodoev on July 22, 2013, 06:56:18 PM
Also this tells me that he lied about last season when he said he was innocent. And that draining noise that u hear is his Hall Of Fame and image going down the toilet
You had any doubt about this? I think it the common perception was that he got off on a technicality.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 22, 2013, 09:26:07 PM
and in other news Von Miller likely to get a 4 game suspension for PED usage and no one cares.

Pretty certain he was suspended for "recreational" drugs, not PED's.

Rumors were, "the leagues substance abuse policy" so I think it does mean rec drugs
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 22, 2013, 09:47:42 PM
Hearing that evidence against arod far more clear than vs Braun, arod evidence includes his interfering with investigation
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Moranis on July 23, 2013, 07:00:03 AM
and in other news Von Miller likely to get a 4 game suspension for PED usage and no one cares.

Pretty certain he was suspended for "recreational" drugs, not PED's.

Rumors were, "the leagues substance abuse policy" so I think it does mean rec drugs
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources)
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It is unknown which substances Miller is accused of using. Under NFL policy, Miller would have to test positive for banned substances twice before facing a four-game suspension.

Atallah didn't say what Miller tested for, but did later tweet, "I can also confirm that Von's case does not involve the Steroids and Related Substances Policy."

The Denver Post reported Monday that Miller tested positive for amphetamines and steroids in 2011, his rookie season.

You have to fail a test twice to be suspended in the NFL.  When did that happen?
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 23, 2013, 07:54:10 AM
and in other news Von Miller likely to get a 4 game suspension for PED usage and no one cares.

Pretty certain he was suspended for "recreational" drugs, not PED's.

Rumors were, "the leagues substance abuse policy" so I think it does mean rec drugs
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources)
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It is unknown which substances Miller is accused of using. Under NFL policy, Miller would have to test positive for banned substances twice before facing a four-game suspension.

Atallah didn't say what Miller tested for, but did later tweet, "I can also confirm that Von's case does not involve the Steroids and Related Substances Policy."

The Denver Post reported Monday that Miller tested positive for amphetamines and steroids in 2011, his rookie season.

You have to fail a test twice to be suspended in the NFL.  When did that happen?

They said on the radio that in 2011 he tested positive for amphetamines (spelling) and possibly PED's
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Moranis on July 23, 2013, 08:51:48 AM
and in other news Von Miller likely to get a 4 game suspension for PED usage and no one cares.

Pretty certain he was suspended for "recreational" drugs, not PED's.

Rumors were, "the leagues substance abuse policy" so I think it does mean rec drugs
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources)
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It is unknown which substances Miller is accused of using. Under NFL policy, Miller would have to test positive for banned substances twice before facing a four-game suspension.

Atallah didn't say what Miller tested for, but did later tweet, "I can also confirm that Von's case does not involve the Steroids and Related Substances Policy."

The Denver Post reported Monday that Miller tested positive for amphetamines and steroids in 2011, his rookie season.

You have to fail a test twice to be suspended in the NFL.  When did that happen?

They said on the radio that in 2011 he tested positive for amphetamines (spelling) and possibly PED's
I know it says it in the article and the quote I put into it, my question, which you did not answer despite responding to my post was, When did the rule get implemented that you had to fail a test twice?  Tying into that, how come that isn't common knowledge and why do you have to fail a test twice?  I mean if you are violating the rules shouldn't that be enough? 

My general point has been why do people care about PED's in baseball but not the NFL where PED's have a greater effect and can cause much greater long term damage due to the physical nature of the sport. 
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: crownsy on July 23, 2013, 09:15:03 AM
My understanding was that you have to fail recreational drugs twice to get the 4 game, and the first test is kept quite and your offered rehab.

I thought PED's are on a different schedule, and the first time you fail is a 4 game.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 23, 2013, 09:18:48 AM
and in other news Von Miller likely to get a 4 game suspension for PED usage and no one cares.

Pretty certain he was suspended for "recreational" drugs, not PED's.

Rumors were, "the leagues substance abuse policy" so I think it does mean rec drugs
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9498862/von-miller-denver-broncos-faces-suspension-sources)
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It is unknown which substances Miller is accused of using. Under NFL policy, Miller would have to test positive for banned substances twice before facing a four-game suspension.

Atallah didn't say what Miller tested for, but did later tweet, "I can also confirm that Von's case does not involve the Steroids and Related Substances Policy."

The Denver Post reported Monday that Miller tested positive for amphetamines and steroids in 2011, his rookie season.

You have to fail a test twice to be suspended in the NFL.  When did that happen?

They said on the radio that in 2011 he tested positive for amphetamines (spelling) and possibly PED's
I know it says it in the article and the quote I put into it, my question, which you did not answer despite responding to my post was, When did the rule get implemented that you had to fail a test twice?  Tying into that, how come that isn't common knowledge and why do you have to fail a test twice?  I mean if you are violating the rules shouldn't that be enough? 

My general point has been why do people care about PED's in baseball but not the NFL where PED's have a greater effect and can cause much greater long term damage due to the physical nature of the sport.

No need for this kinda talk, I misunderstood your question, im sorry.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Moranis on July 23, 2013, 09:31:52 AM
My understanding was that you have to fail recreational drugs twice to get the 4 game, and the first test is kept quite and your offered rehab.

I thought PED's are on a different schedule, and the first time you fail is a 4 game.
And yet Von Miller failed a test in 2011 for amphetamines and steroids and was not suspended.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Fafnir on July 23, 2013, 09:43:35 AM
My understanding was that you have to fail recreational drugs twice to get the 4 game, and the first test is kept quite and your offered rehab.

I thought PED's are on a different schedule, and the first time you fail is a 4 game.
This is the case:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23711278/nfls-substance-abuse-and-performance-enhancing-drugs-policies

PED use is an immediate 4 game suspension. So this isn't a PED case, or at least his prior tests weren't PEDs as the NFL defines.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Fafnir on July 23, 2013, 09:45:16 AM
My understanding was that you have to fail recreational drugs twice to get the 4 game, and the first test is kept quite and your offered rehab.

I thought PED's are on a different schedule, and the first time you fail is a 4 game.
And yet Von Miller failed a test in 2011 for amphetamines and steroids and was not suspended.
According to whom, I've only seen radio reports about this. Nothing that the national media has gone with as I assume its still sketchy.

The only possible loophole that comes to mind is that amphetamines can be both performance enhancing and recreational depending on what sort of formulation you're looking at. I don't know if testing or the NFL differentiates for them.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Fafnir on July 23, 2013, 09:48:29 AM
Amphetamines were classified as PEDs in 2007, so if he'd tested positive for that it'd have been four games immediately barring a successful challenge. Perhaps he got that test thrown out and now they're just leaking it to embarrass him?

All reports are saying its the substance abuse policy that he's facing the suspension for and its not steroids.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 23, 2013, 09:50:14 AM
Amphetamines were classified as PEDs in 2007, so if he'd tested positive for that it'd have been four games immediately barring a successful challenge. Perhaps he got that test thrown out and now they're just leaking it to embarrass him?

All reports are saying its the substance abuse policy that he's facing the suspension for and its not steroids.

Is Aderall considered an Amphetamine?  That could have resulted in a quiet appeal back in 2011

A quick search shows that Aderall is an amphetamine.  He possibly could have been one of the first in a wave of players failing a drug tets because of Adderall
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Donoghus on July 23, 2013, 10:32:53 AM
Amphetamines were classified as PEDs in 2007, so if he'd tested positive for that it'd have been four games immediately barring a successful challenge. Perhaps he got that test thrown out and now they're just leaking it to embarrass him?

All reports are saying its the substance abuse policy that he's facing the suspension for and its not steroids.

Sounds like pot and Molly (which can be both rec drug & an amphetamine).
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Moranis on July 23, 2013, 10:40:53 AM
My understanding was that you have to fail recreational drugs twice to get the 4 game, and the first test is kept quite and your offered rehab.

I thought PED's are on a different schedule, and the first time you fail is a 4 game.
And yet Von Miller failed a test in 2011 for amphetamines and steroids and was not suspended.
According to whom, I've only seen radio reports about this. Nothing that the national media has gone with as I assume its still sketchy.

The only possible loophole that comes to mind is that amphetamines can be both performance enhancing and recreational depending on what sort of formulation you're looking at. I don't know if testing or the NFL differentiates for them.
The ESPN story I linked in this page refers to his failed test for amphetamines and steroids.  Now granted they referenced the Denver Post story on it, but they still ran with it.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Fafnir on July 23, 2013, 10:43:39 AM
Given the known penalties for steroids/amphetamines I don't see how the Post report is credible. Unless the test was thrown out on appeal, which is the only way he wouldn't have been punished already for a 2011 test.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Moranis on July 23, 2013, 10:45:34 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23711440/broncos-star-von-miller-suspended-four-games-by (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_23711440/broncos-star-von-miller-suspended-four-games-by)

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The Denver Post has received documentation stating Miller had multiple positive tests for marijuana and an undisclosed amphetamine during his rookie season of 2011.

How can someone fail numerous tests for pot as well as at least one for amphetamines and not get suspended?

And why does no one (aside from Bronco fans) care?

The double standard with baseball is ridiculous. 

Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Fafnir on July 23, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
Pot doesn't equal steroids. Nor does anyone care about amphetamines in baseball, historically "greenies" where even more widespread in baseball than steroids until they were finally banned. No one really mentions it.

There isn't a double standard, not until almost every MVP for years and years in the NFL has been linked to Steroids/HGH and all that stuff.

Because that's what happened in baseball, that hasn't happened in the NFL. So you get different reactions.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Finkelskyhook on July 23, 2013, 11:43:59 AM
The person who needs to be suspended is Bud Selig....The biggest hypocrite in sports' history.

Selig milked the steroid era for all it was worth....His righteous indignation....Starting with appointing the disgusting conflicted hack george mitchell to "investigate" this....To the selected exploitation from the "discoveries" of either retired players, minor leaguers or players at the end of their careers as to not affect the brand...To this current dog and pony show going on now........

Selig knowingly benefited from the steroid era...At best..He should resign.  His righteous indignation over this scandal is disgusting and shallow.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: kozlodoev on July 23, 2013, 12:12:37 PM
They said on the radio that in 2011 he tested positive for amphetamines (spelling) and possibly PED's
Amphetamines are PEDs.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Rondo2287 on July 23, 2013, 12:15:02 PM
They said on the radio that in 2011 he tested positive for amphetamines (spelling) and possibly PED's
Amphetamines are PEDs.

Yup, Faf pointed that out earlier in the thread.  Classified that way in 2007.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Bahku on July 23, 2013, 12:29:26 PM
They said on the radio that in 2011 he tested positive for amphetamines (spelling) and possibly PED's
Amphetamines are PEDs.

Yup, Faf pointed that out earlier in the thread.  Classified that way in 2007.
Technically that's absolutely true, although when speaking of PED's most people are talking about anabolic steroids, (in general), so listing amphetamines separately is not incorrect, and is actually a bit more specific. Semantics, but Rondo was not wrong in saying it that way, nor is it wrong to list amphetamines as PED's.
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: Moranis on July 23, 2013, 12:54:32 PM
Pot doesn't equal steroids. Nor does anyone care about amphetamines in baseball, historically "greenies" where even more widespread in baseball than steroids until they were finally banned. No one really mentions it.

There isn't a double standard, not until almost every MVP for years and years in the NFL has been linked to Steroids/HGH and all that stuff.

Because that's what happened in baseball, that hasn't happened in the NFL. So you get different reactions.
1 in 10 retired NFL players polled in 2009 admitted to using steroids during their playing career.  I'm sure more than 1 in 10 actually used steroids if that many owned up to it.  The survey received responses from over 2500 players so it wasn't some small sample size.  Players from the 80's were at 1 in 5 admitting steroid use so that seems to be their steroid era (which makes sense since they didn't start testing until 1987).

Terry Bradshaw on his steroid use.  "We did steroids to get away the aches and the speed of healing," Bradshaw told Patrick. "My use of steroids from a doctor was to speed up (healing after)  injury, and thought nothing of it. . . . It was to speed up the healing process, that was it. It wasn't to get bigger and stronger and faster."

Lawrence Taylor has admitted to using other players urine to avoid testing positive.  Now maybe it was cocaine and not steroids, but that was during the 80's

Favre entered rehab for vicodine in the off season directly after he won the MVP and was linked to steroid usage for years.

There are countless other examples of top tier, MVP type players, being linked to steroids. 


And while this article is over the top it does sort of echo a lot my sentiments.  http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/050823 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/050823)
Title: Re: Ryan Braun suspended for rest of the season
Post by: kozlodoev on July 23, 2013, 01:19:09 PM
They said on the radio that in 2011 he tested positive for amphetamines (spelling) and possibly PED's
Amphetamines are PEDs.

Yup, Faf pointed that out earlier in the thread.  Classified that way in 2007.
Technically that's absolutely true, although when speaking of PED's most people are talking about anabolic steroids, (in general), so listing amphetamines separately is not incorrect, and is actually a bit more specific. Semantics, but Rondo was not wrong in saying it that way, nor is it wrong to list amphetamines as PED's.
Fair enough -- although my impression is that in international sports, amphetamines are as commonplace as steroids (based on what I've read about the bans that are handed out).

And yes, steroids and amphetamines do have different function -- the former are mostly muscle builders, while the latter help with fatigue and concentration.