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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Robert24 on July 19, 2013, 02:04:06 PM
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I was so happy when the Cs picked him in '11, but sadly they went and traded him. He averaged 13, 4 and 3 along with a steal in his rookie year but saw his minutes shoot down last year with Joe Johnson arriving in Brooklyn. I think he can average a solid 15 PPG next year if he starts. I've heard him being compared to Nick Young but he isn't a chucker like him.
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If he gives it some effort on defense, I can see him becoming a useful role player off the bench but never becoming a guy I would start over Avery Bradley.
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I think he can become a good player, not great
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Is there any difference be jordan crawford and Marshon Brooks?
By the way I think TONS of crappy players can put up "good" numbers on a crappy team
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I've heard him being compared to Nick Young but he isn't a chucker like him.
It's because he can't shoot. We need shooters on this team, not another guy running into the lane on every possession. He would probably thrive on a different team, but his value is so low that nobody will want him.
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Well it'll be a second chance for him. If he puts in effort on the defensive end and shoots well BUT LESS. He could be a good bench player maybe making Lee & Crawford (more) expendable.
I'm thinking depth at shooting guard: bradley, lee, bogans, crawford, brooks in that order
If that is the case then look for crawford to be moved and depending on deal,lee brooks or even bradley (who i'd like to not have guard rondo)
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I've heard him being compared to Nick Young but he isn't a chucker like him.
It's because he can't shoot. We need shooters on this team, not another guy running into the lane on every possession. He would probably thrive on a different team, but his value is so low that nobody will want him.
We need people that get to the rim. The reason we didn't shoot well last year is we took too many jump shots and didn't attack the hoop enough.
I think he can be solid, he has excellent footwork but this sometimes causes him to take more difficult shots than he should. If he improves his shot selection and improves his defense, I see him being a solid bench contributor for a while.
If he continues to improve I can see him providing an offensive spark off the bench for the next few years.
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I personally will be surprised if Jordan and Marshon are both on the roster to start the season. There roles seem redundant and playing together they will just hurt each others development and stock as future trade bait.
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I personally will be surprised if Jordan and Marshon are both on the roster to start the season. There roles seem redundant and playing together they will just hurt each others development and stock as future trade bait.
Agreed. Trade Jordan Chuckford.
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I personally will be surprised if Jordan and Marshon are both on the roster to start the season. There roles seem redundant and playing together they will just hurt each others development and stock as future trade bait.
Agreed. Trade Jordan Chuckford.
Crawford can play PG. Brooks can't.
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Is there any difference be jordan crawford and Marshon Brooks?
By the way I think TONS of crappy players can put up "good" numbers on a crappy team
Jordan Crawford is a bit of a headcase, I think Marshon is more coachable.
Marshon could be a great 6th man/spot starter on a playoff team. He's really good off the dribble and can create his own shot. The biggest areas of improvement moving forward are catch and shoot opportunities (which he says he's been working on all summer) and his defense (which he seems open to).
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I was so happy when the Cs picked him in '11, but sadly they went and traded him. He averaged 13, 4 and 3 along with a steal in his rookie year but saw his minutes shoot down last year with Joe Johnson arriving in Brooklyn. I think he can average a solid 15 PPG next year if he starts. I've heard him being compared to Nick Young but he isn't a chucker like him.
TP
that was one of the few drafts that I watched, and he was the player I was stoked to get. Right after my WOOT WOOTs, they traded him for a joke of a PF that is, at no surprise, not in the league any more.
With Rondo in the lineup, I'd start him. Bradley is just too small to be a starting SG, can't handle the ball well enough to play the point, and not that great of a shooter to be our main SG.
Trade Bradley and Crawford.
Keep Brooks and we're stuck with Lee b/c of his contract
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I am not thrilled with Brooks' game. He's a tremendously inefficient scorer, a bad three point shooter, an average free throw shooter, and a slightly below average rebounder, passer and defender.
I just do not see what people are so excited about other than he was a local college kid.
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I see him as Nick Young at best. I'd love to be wrong but I am not a fan. He shot 27% from three last year too which is completely unacceptable for a scoring SG.
I personally will be surprised if Jordan and Marshon are both on the roster to start the season. There roles seem redundant and playing together they will just hurt each others development and stock as future trade bait.
Agreed. Trade Jordan Chuckford.
Crawford is better at everything than Brooks is right now, so that's funny. Even if Crawford isn't hitting he is a pretty good passer and a good rebounder
But you also said you think Brooks isn't a chucker... I think you may be in for s surprise when he's playing (when and I should say if).
But again I'd love to be wrong. I don't think there is anything to be that optimistic about so far with Brooks.
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Crawford is a poor man's Nate Robinson--a score-first and score-second guy who can handle the ball, but when he handles the ball half the fan base is going to claw their eyes out. He's not too terrible of a passer, either.
Marshon is a solid 2/3 scorer without much of a jump shot. For his rookie season he was stuck on a roster fairly devoid of talent, and his sophomore season he was buried behind Joe Johnson--the verdict is out on him.
Both of them seem excited to be on the Celtics, though.
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I was so happy when the Cs picked him in '11, but sadly they went and traded him. He averaged 13, 4 and 3 along with a steal in his rookie year but saw his minutes shoot down last year with Joe Johnson arriving in Brooklyn. I think he can average a solid 15 PPG next year if he starts. I've heard him being compared to Nick Young but he isn't a chucker like him.
Marshon Brooks
season FGA/36 minutes fg% rbs ast
11-12 14 42.8% 2.8 2.9
12-13 13.2 46.3% 2.8 3.0
Nick Young for his career
FGA/36 minutes fg% rbs ast
15.2 42.7% 1.6 3.0
i'm not seeing a huge difference here. how are they not alike?
brooks is a a volume shooter who is not efficient. he doesnt excel at anything but shooting (depending on how you define excel), at least not so far in his career.
i hope he changes and he suddenly becomes a great, all around player who scores efficiently, but i'll withhold judgement until i see it.
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unless he changes his game , and plays good ball 100 percent of the time, not just whenhe feels like it , don't need another Rondo,
I dislike all the Brooklin players except maybe Bogans. All,have attitude , poor work ethic , and just poor team players......
we took all their horrible team criminals and outcasts and untrainable junk to get those draft picks.
we must unload all the garbage ASAP
what a mess this team is at the moment.
god I miss KG and Paul
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One reason Brooks was inefficient last year was that the PG wasn't doing a good job setting him up. Only 40% of his baskets were assisted, and only 30% of his mid-range jumpers were assisted.
In theory, having Rondo set him up should increase his efficiency. I think Brooks has some upside.
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I think Brooks is an better investment than Crawford. Crawford is undersized at the 2. I think he'd have a lot of difficulty getting his shot off if he didn't have long arms.
Brooks is longer (he has like a 7' wingspan) and just seems to be a more natural scorer. He's certainly raw, but as others have mentioned, he seems far more coachable than Crawford as well. He is a chucker, but I don't think he has to be. He can probably give more on D than Crawford too - whether it's ability, effort and/or attitude-related.
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One reason Brooks was inefficient last year was that the PG wasn't doing a good job setting him up. Only 40% of his baskets were assisted, and only 30% of his mid-range jumpers were assisted.
In theory, having Rondo set him up should increase his efficiency. I think Brooks has some upside.
I'm shaking my head on this one.
Deron Williams is one of the best PGs in the league. He's a great facilitator on the offensive end. Brooks is a chucker that will get the ball and look for his shot, even if that means forcing shots off the dribble or taking it to the hole in traffic or eschewing wide open assisted looks to try for something different.
I think the theory a poor one. Brooks isn't a catch and shoot player. He isn't going to have particularly high percentages in the areas you point out.
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Maybe a Jamal Crawford type, Nick Young type of player?
Dude can score, no doubt.
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The next Kobe? ;)
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One reason Brooks was inefficient last year was that the PG wasn't doing a good job setting him up. Only 40% of his baskets were assisted, and only 30% of his mid-range jumpers were assisted.
In theory, having Rondo set him up should increase his efficiency. I think Brooks has some upside.
I'm shaking my head on this one.
Deron Williams is one of the best PGs in the league. He's a great facilitator on the offensive end. Brooks is a chucker that will get the ball and look for his shot, even if that means forcing shots off the dribble or taking it to the hole in traffic or eschewing wide open assisted looks to try for something different.
I think the theory a poor one. Brooks isn't a catch and shoot player. He isn't going to have particularly high percentages in the areas you point out.
I'm shaking my head right back at you. I've watched A LOT of Nets basketball over the past 3 years - more than the C's actually (consequence of living in NJ), Deron Williams was playing pretty miserable basketball until after the All-star break this year. He came into this season out of shape and uninspired - he was coasting until the media's negativity just became too much and he "flipped the switch".
So yes, he may have been one of the best PGs in the game at one point but he hasn't played like it as Net consistently.
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One reason Brooks was inefficient last year was that the PG wasn't doing a good job setting him up. Only 40% of his baskets were assisted, and only 30% of his mid-range jumpers were assisted.
In theory, having Rondo set him up should increase his efficiency. I think Brooks has some upside.
I'm shaking my head on this one.
Deron Williams is one of the best PGs in the league. He's a great facilitator on the offensive end. Brooks is a chucker that will get the ball and look for his shot, even if that means forcing shots off the dribble or taking it to the hole in traffic or eschewing wide open assisted looks to try for something different.
I think the theory a poor one. Brooks isn't a catch and shoot player. He isn't going to have particularly high percentages in the areas you point out.
I'm shaking my head right back at you. I've watched A LOT of Nets basketball over the past 3 years - more than the C's actually (consequence of living in NJ), Deron Williams was playing pretty miserable basketball until after the All-star break this year. He came into this season out of shape and uninspired - he was coasting until the media's negativity just became too much and he "flipped the switch".
So yes, he may have been one of the best PGs in the game at one point but he hasn't played like it as Net consistently.
But Deron is still, even playing the way he did, an excellent passer and facilitator of an offense. Brooks poor percentages of FGM that were assisted were and will always be more because of the type of player Brooks is than anything to do with what PG he plays with.
He's not a catch and shoot player. He's Kobe-like in the way he plays. He tries to create for himself and hence has bad FGM assisted stats....just like Kobe. J.R. Smith is another player like that.
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he will be good
not great
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Marshon said in an interview before the Draft:
I respect Kobe Bryant's game so much that I don't think anybody should be compared to him. I might play like him a tiny bit, but I would say I play more like Jamal Crawford than Kobe Bryant.
I would be delighted if he could become the next Jamal Crawford.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6J4juRaBMc
This is what happens when he gets big minutes. Now would you rather have Jordan Chuckford over that?
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He has a lot of George Mikan in his game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo)
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He has a lot of George Mikan in his game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo)
nice video, but have we entered non sequitur world? unless you mean to show that brooks has a great sky hook as part of his game. if so, i would love to see that video.
back to this thread....aside from hopes, wishes, and crossed fingers, would the supporters of brooks please provide evidence that he, so far, has the desire to rebound, pass, or be a team mate.
we all know he looks for his own shots and is not efficient in making them. a key question being raised here is whether brooks is a one-inefficient-trick pony or whether he has a wider range of skills.
again, maybe with a good coach he changes. but i dont see it yet.
oh, just to add some stats to this discussion, here are some stats for young, jamal crawford, and our-very-own-marshon. (please forgive the auto-plagiarism from above.)
Jamal Crawford career/36 minutes per
FGA fg% rbs ast 3pt%
14.9 41.1% 2.8 4.3 35%
Marshon Brooks career/36 minutes per
FGA fg% rbs ast 3pt%
13.7 44% 2.8 2.9 30.2%
Nick Young career/36 minutes per
FGA fg% rbs ast 3pt%
15.2 42.7% 1.6 3.0 37.4
what i see are 3 similar stat lines, except our-very-own-marshon is a really poor 3 point shooter. i dont want brooks to continue this trajectory.
hopefully, brooks' shooting efficiency and all around playing can be developed by stevens. if anyone can make brooks a better player, stevens might be the man.
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I was so happy when the Cs picked him in '11, but sadly they went and traded him. He averaged 13, 4 and 3 along with a steal in his rookie year but saw his minutes shoot down last year with Joe Johnson arriving in Brooklyn. I think he can average a solid 15 PPG next year if he starts. I've heard him being compared to Nick Young but he isn't a chucker like him.
Marshon Brooks
season FGA/36 minutes fg% rbs ast
11-12 14 42.8% 2.8 2.9
12-13 13.2 46.3% 2.8 3.0
Nick Young for his career
FGA/36 minutes fg% rbs ast
15.2 42.7% 1.6 3.0
i'm not seeing a huge difference here. how are they not alike?
brooks is a a volume shooter who is not efficient. he doesnt excel at anything but shooting (depending on how you define excel), at least not so far in his career.
i hope he changes and he suddenly becomes a great, all around player who scores efficiently, but i'll withhold judgement until i see it.
It's worth noting that all it would take for Nick Young to be a useful player would be for him to be willing to pass just a little bit more and for him to be a break-even defender.
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He has a lot of George Mikan in his game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo)
nice video, but have we entered non sequitur world? unless you mean to show that brooks has a great sky hook as part of his game. if so, i would love to see that video.
back to this thread....aside from hopes, wishes, and crossed fingers, would the supporters of brooks please provide evidence that he, so far, has the desire to rebound, pass, or be a team mate.
we all know he looks for his own shots and is not efficient in making them. a key question being raised here is whether brooks is a one-inefficient-trick pony or whether he has a wider range of skills.
again, maybe with a good coach he changes. but i dont see it yet.
oh, just to add some stats to this discussion, here are some stats for young, jamal crawford, and our-very-own-marshon. (please forgive the auto-plagiarism from above.)
Jamal Crawford career/36 minutes per
FGA fg% rbs ast 3pt%
14.9 41.1% 2.8 4.3 35%
Marshon Brooks career/36 minutes per
FGA fg% rbs ast 3pt%
13.7 44% 2.8 2.9 30.2%
Nick Young career/36 minutes per
FGA fg% rbs ast 3pt%
15.2 42.7% 1.6 3.0 37.4
what i see are 3 similar stat lines, except our-very-own-marshon is a really poor 3 point shooter. i dont want brooks to continue this trajectory.
hopefully, brooks' shooting efficiency and all around playing can be developed by stevens. if anyone can make brooks a better player, stevens might be the man.
Those rebounding numbers are off, hwanjini. Brooks' career average is 4.3/36. (It looks like you accidentally copied his drb numbers).
This makes Brooks a decent rebounder at his position, actually.
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He has a lot of George Mikan in his game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo)
nice video, but have we entered non sequitur world? unless you mean to show that brooks has a great sky hook as part of his game. if so, i would love to see that video.
back to this thread....aside from hopes, wishes, and crossed fingers, would the supporters of brooks please provide evidence that he, so far, has the desire to rebound, pass, or be a team mate.
we all know he looks for his own shots and is not efficient in making them. a key question being raised here is whether brooks is a one-inefficient-trick pony or whether he has a wider range of skills.
again, maybe with a good coach he changes. but i dont see it yet.
oh, just to add some stats to this discussion, here are some stats for young, jamal crawford, and our-very-own-marshon. (please forgive the auto-plagiarism from above.)
Jamal Crawford career/36 minutes per
FGA fg% rbs ast 3pt%
14.9 41.1% 2.8 4.3 35%
Marshon Brooks career/36 minutes per
FGA fg% rbs ast 3pt%
13.7 44% 2.8 2.9 30.2%
Nick Young career/36 minutes per
FGA fg% rbs ast 3pt%
15.2 42.7% 1.6 3.0 37.4
what i see are 3 similar stat lines, except our-very-own-marshon is a really poor 3 point shooter. i dont want brooks to continue this trajectory.
hopefully, brooks' shooting efficiency and all around playing can be developed by stevens. if anyone can make brooks a better player, stevens might be the man.
Those rebounding numbers are off, hwanjini. Brooks' career average is 4.3/36. (It looks like you accidentally copied his drb numbers).
This makes Brooks a decent rebounder at his position, actually.
thanks bb for catching the mistake. i just checked an i did read the drb column by mistake.
and you are right once more. (you maybe on a roll.) it does raise the point that marshon may have more abilities than shooting. i dont know if i am hopeful that he develops, but with stevens as coach i wont rule it out.
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He reminds me a lot of Ricky Davis.
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He reminds me a lot of Ricky Davis.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/6e0c6c0f60e3f02b55f361f2edc307ce/tumblr_mj1u0kp0hW1qi34nio2_250.gif)
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I've seen Brooks play a lot (as I live in NJ), and I was really upset when we dealt him on draft night. Brooks does something none of our other 2-guards can do, which is to create offense for both himself and his teammates and do it under control (within the framework of the offense). Jordan Crawford can make plays too, but he's usually always out of control and his shot selection makes most of us cringe. If he (Brooks) can improve his defense and use that 7'2 wingspan to his advantage, then he could really be the answer for us at the 2-spot. If he got 34 minutes a night, I could see 18/4/4 with %'s of 44/35/80.
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He is saying all the right things. Let's see if he is really working on his 3pt shot. He also needs to get stronger if he wants to be the next Black Mammba. So far he has not been able to back up his promise, but is a smart/talented kid and if he figures it out could a really good player in this league.
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If he got 34 minutes a night, I could see 18/4/4 with %'s of 44/35/80.
Do you realize that a shooting guard who put up those numbers in 34 minutes a game without being a major defensive liability would be a borderline All-Star?
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He'll be in an all star game one day
His offensive instincts are something you can't teach
Knows how to dribble when a defender is near him, moves without the ball, an array of offensive moves, can create for others, drives the lane without fear. Reminds me alot of a young Kobe Bryant. Obviously not in skill, but definitely in mechanics
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another jamal crawford.
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Reminds me alot of a young Kobe Bryant. Obviously not in skill, but definitely in mechanics
Here's the biggest problem with this (common) comparison:
What do you get when you take a young Kobe Bryant and take away the incredible athleticism and talent?
A ball-hog who makes his teammates, and his team as a whole, worse.
Even with all the talent in the world and athleticism that has only recently begun to fade, Kobe still doesn't always make his team better because he's such a me-first-at-all-costs player.
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He'll be in an all star game one day
His market value before the 2013 draft was by some accounts lower than a mid-range 2014 second round pick. That would be quite a turnaround.
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another jamal crawford.
EIDTED -- I misread and thought the prior poster was talking about JORDAN Crawford!
I think he's already better than Jordan Crawford, though the stats may not show it. He could be a Jamal Crawford type player, yes.
Brooks plays with a lot of control. I agree with some of the prior posters that some of the skills that Brooks shows are hard to teach -- the offensive awareness, the offensive moves, the overall smoothness. The wingspan is just so impressive -- I'd love to see him add more on the defensive side of the game. There's no reason he can't.
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He'll be in an all star game one day
His market value before the 2013 draft was by some accounts lower than a mid-range 2014 second round pick. That would be quite a turnaround.
not unless he buys a ticket to the game.
bc does love its binkys. if marshon can actually play defense and be a contributor off the bench for 20 minutes i would be very pleased.
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He's got to improve in shooting the 3. You don't have a valuable 2, especially playing with Rondo, if he can't hit the 3.
I expect that the coaching team will get him bought in on defense and he'll improve in that area. (Though his career combined offensive/defensive rating is a horrendous -11!)
He is 24 already, but still I have something of a reasonable hope that the 3 will come to him.
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He'll be in an all star game one day
His market value before the 2013 draft was by some accounts lower than a mid-range 2014 second round pick. That would be quite a turnaround.
Wasn't Rashard Lewis, Micheal Redd, and Gilbert Arenas (all were all stars) 2nd round draft picks?
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I was so happy when the Cs picked him in '11, but sadly they went and traded him. He averaged 13, 4 and 3 along with a steal in his rookie year but saw his minutes shoot down last year with Joe Johnson arriving in Brooklyn. I think he can average a solid 15 PPG next year if he starts. I've heard him being compared to Nick Young but he isn't a chucker like him.
TP
that was one of the few drafts that I watched, and he was the player I was stoked to get. Right after my WOOT WOOTs, they traded him for a joke of a PF that is, at no surprise, not in the league any more.
With Rondo in the lineup, I'd start him. Bradley is just too small to be a starting SG, can't handle the ball well enough to play the point, and not that great of a shooter to be our main SG.
Trade Bradley and Crawford.
Keep Brooks and we're stuck with Lee b/c of his contract
Um, what? Brooks isn't the chucker that Young is? Is that why Young has a better TS%? A better ORtg? A better PPP?Young might have a lower FG%, but he has a higher 3PT% and FT% on far more attempts.
Sorry, but Nick Young IS a best-case scenario for Brooks - and that's not a bad thing. Young has comfortably found a gunner-off-the-bench role every year, and Brooks can profile to be a similar offensive spark off the bench.
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I was so happy when the Cs picked him in '11, but sadly they went and traded him. He averaged 13, 4 and 3 along with a steal in his rookie year but saw his minutes shoot down last year with Joe Johnson arriving in Brooklyn. I think he can average a solid 15 PPG next year if he starts. I've heard him being compared to Nick Young but he isn't a chucker like him.
TP
that was one of the few drafts that I watched, and he was the player I was stoked to get. Right after my WOOT WOOTs, they traded him for a joke of a PF that is, at no surprise, not in the league any more.
With Rondo in the lineup, I'd start him. Bradley is just too small to be a starting SG, can't handle the ball well enough to play the point, and not that great of a shooter to be our main SG.
Trade Bradley and Crawford.
Keep Brooks and we're stuck with Lee b/c of his contract
Um, what? Brooks isn't the chucker that Young is? Is that why Young has a better TS%? A better ORtg? A better PPP?Young might have a lower FG%, but he has a higher 3PT% and FT% on far more attempts.
Sorry, but Nick Young IS a best-case scenario for Brooks - and that's not a bad thing. Young has comfortably found a gunner-off-the-bench role every year, and Brooks can profile to be a similar offensive spark off the bench.
Ricky Davis had his argent supporters back in the day too, who thought he could be a perennial all-star
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I agree with the "instant offense off the bench" projections for Brooks. You definitely need a guy off the bench capable of creating his own shot and this kid can definitely do that. If he is smart and can play some defense he could be good here. I do agree though that that Brooklyn team last year ran a TON of iso. Say what you want about Deron Williams as a player, but he and Joe Johnson did a lot of ballstopping in the halfcourt. Hell, that's been Johnson's MO for years now. That Brooklyn team was one of the worst teams in the league as far as assists per game as a team and Assists to FGs made. And they almost never ran ever. So that's just a team that walked the ball up the court and one of 3 people go 1 on 1 to take a shot: Williams, Johnson, or Lopez. I think getting Brooks out of that environment now and putting him with a group of high IQ players that genuinely enjoy playing together as well as a coach who seems to know how to put guys in position to succeed would do wonders for him.
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When he came out of school I thought he could be a solid guard of the bench but I'm not so sure now. He needs to make the leap this year or I see him out of the league after his rookie deal expires
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Jury is still out on what he can become. Still raw, young, and has 2 years of experience on a team with too many teammates dominating the ball.
You can't go by past stats on him, just based on the team he was on.
All we know is that he's talented, and is just getting his feet wet. Develop him and play to his skill set.
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If he got 34 minutes a night, I could see 18/4/4 with %'s of 44/35/80.
Do you realize that a shooting guard who put up those numbers in 34 minutes a game without being a major defensive liability would be a borderline All-Star?
Yes, I'm well aware that those numbers are borderline All-Star #'s and I truly believe that he will be one.
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He'll be in an all star game one day
His market value before the 2013 draft was by some accounts lower than a mid-range 2014 second round pick. That would be quite a turnaround.
Wasn't Rashard Lewis, Micheal Redd, and Gilbert Arenas (all were all stars) 2nd round draft picks?
Are you saying that every future 2nd round pick should be valued in trades as though it will yield an Arenas/Redd/Lewis quality player?
If so we may have overpaid for Courtney Lee. We traded three 2nd round picks for him.
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Not good enough. We should get rid of our SG's and find a real one. Bradley is our "best" now, and that ain't good enough. But I do hope those guys surprise me and play well, so we can trade them and get more in return :P
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Not good enough. We should get rid of our SG's and find a real one. Bradley is our "best" now, and that ain't good enough. But I do hope those guys surprise me and play well, so we can trade them and get more in return :P
Unless Bradley advances about six giant steps on offense this year (only three over where he was the year before, before backsliding last year), he's unquestionably a spot for an upgrade.
But that's the easiest position to add some firepower to and probably the easiest one for college players to make the transition to as well.
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He'll be in an all star game one day
His market value before the 2013 draft was by some accounts lower than a mid-range 2014 second round pick. That would be quite a turnaround.
Wasn't Rashard Lewis, Micheal Redd, and Gilbert Arenas (all were all stars) 2nd round draft picks?
Are you saying that every future 2nd round pick should be valued in trades as though it will yield an Arenas/Redd/Lewis quality player?
If so we may have overpaid for Courtney Lee. We traded three 2nd round picks for him.
And are you saying that just because Brooks was a projected 2nd round pick that suddenly his b-ball career is already pre-destined?
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He'll be in an all star game one day
His market value before the 2013 draft was by some accounts lower than a mid-range 2014 second round pick. That would be quite a turnaround.
Wasn't Rashard Lewis, Micheal Redd, and Gilbert Arenas (all were all stars) 2nd round draft picks?
Are you saying that every future 2nd round pick should be valued in trades as though it will yield an Arenas/Redd/Lewis quality player?
If so we may have overpaid for Courtney Lee. We traded three 2nd round picks for him.
And are you saying that just because Brooks was a projected 2nd round pick that suddenly his b-ball career is already pre-destined?
well in all fairness, he hasn't shown much in his two years in the league to value him more than a 2nd round pick certainly not as a Michael Redd-Rashard Lewis level player.
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Kobe, anyone?
Just kidding.
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Much has been theorized on having Johnson ahead of him affecting his production.
Even though it's a small sample, I decided to have a look on how Mashon did in games in which Joe didn't play.
In all, there were 10 games in which he averaged 11 points on 49 FG% shooting playing 25 minutes a game.
Still needs to improve his 3 point shooting and shot selection, but he's an interesting offensive talent that can be productive when given the chance.
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Not good enough. We should get rid of our SG's and find a real one.
Problem is, this isn't a league filled with great SGs anymore. The influx of shoot first PGs has really changed the backcourt dynamics of the NBA and caused SGs to get less looks and shots. Also, many of these shoot first PGs probably would have been SGs 15 years ago.
The league is just filthy rich in great to elite PGs but sorely lacking in just very good to elite SGs. It makes finding a "real" SG to put with Rondo a difficult thing to do.
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Still needs to improve his 3 point shooting and shot selection, but he's an interesting offensive talent that can be productive when given the chance.
If I had to sum him up in one sentence that would be it.
I watched a good bit of Brooks his rookie season and the potential there was obvious, but I think there is a clear ceiling for him. He is never going to be a starting 2 guard on a team that is competing for a championship.
At best he is going to be Nate Robinson/Nick Young type 6th man instant offense type of player. At worst he is going to be a talented scorer on a Euro squad. If I had to make a prediction, I think he is going to end up being a poor man's 6th man or a rotational SG on a good team (Leandro Barbosa).
I don't think he is going to be a Celtic long term though. With a bit more polish he would be a great add in to one of those mega trades for a superstar. He will get plenty of minutes to showcase his talents this year and then could be moved in a large deal down the road or at the deadline to a contender needing either scoring or that suffered an unexpected injury.
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He has a lot of George Mikan in his game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo)
nice video, but have we entered non sequitur world? unless you mean to show that brooks has a great sky hook as part of his game. if so, i would love to see that video.
He showed signs of having a strong, well-rounded post game at Providence. I believe Stevens will be paramount in his development down low. The Kobe comparisons are valid if, and only if, he becomes a great fadeaway shooter like Bryant. After all, it wasn't until Lebron developed a post game that he won his first crown.
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Not good enough. We should get rid of our SG's and find a real one.
Problem is, this isn't a league filled with great SGs anymore. The influx of shoot first PGs has really changed the backcourt dynamics of the NBA and caused SGs to get less looks and shots. Also, many of these shoot first PGs probably would have been SGs 15 years ago.
The league is just filthy rich in great to elite PGs but sorely lacking in just very good to elite SGs. It makes finding a "real" SG to put with Rondo a difficult thing to do.
Hit the nail on the head, you just described Russell Westbrook
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A poor mans jamal crawford.
Someone who can give u 8 to 10 pts , 3 reb and assist off the bench consistently but once in a while explodes for 25-30 pts and steal games for the team
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Personally i think Marshon Brooks is just another player who has huge upside andw as given only one real chance to play on a NBA team. Once the Nets made the splashes with Dwill and Johnson his role became almost obsolete. I've heard comparisons of Kobe and Brooks in their offensive game. Now no I'm not comparing them at all but offensively they have similar games, and not that i think Brooks can put up Kobe numbers in scoring but i would much rather have Brooks gettimg the minutes than Bogans or Crawford. Especially if by mid season were in full on tank mode because than at least we can really see what this kids all about
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He'll be in an all star game one day
His market value before the 2013 draft was by some accounts lower than a mid-range 2014 second round pick. That would be quite a turnaround.
Wasn't Rashard Lewis, Micheal Redd, and Gilbert Arenas (all were all stars) 2nd round draft picks?
Are you saying that every future 2nd round pick should be valued in trades as though it will yield an Arenas/Redd/Lewis quality player?
If so we may have overpaid for Courtney Lee. We traded three 2nd round picks for him.
And are you saying that just because Brooks was a projected 2nd round pick that suddenly his b-ball career is already pre-destined?
Nope.
I'm saying that before the draft this year Minny was looking to unload their first round pick. Reputable sources had BKN offering Brooks for the pick, but Minny ended up trading it for a GSW 2014 2nd round pick.
In other words BKN was shopping Brooks as recently as this year's draft but he was valued less highly than a 2014 2nd round pick, by at least one other team.
Hence what I wrote above...
And here are links to sources about the trades:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=66353.msg1511092#msg1511092
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You are leaving out half of the story. They decided they valued a 2nd rd pick AND the salary cap savings giving them more money to sign another fa, than brooks.
He'll be in an all star game one day
His market value before the 2013 draft was by some accounts lower than a mid-range 2014 second round pick. That would be quite a turnaround.
Wasn't Rashard Lewis, Micheal Redd, and Gilbert Arenas (all were all stars) 2nd round draft picks?
Are you saying that every future 2nd round pick should be valued in trades as though it will yield an Arenas/Redd/Lewis quality player?
If so we may have overpaid for Courtney Lee. We traded three 2nd round picks for him.
And are you saying that just because Brooks was a projected 2nd round pick that suddenly his b-ball career is already pre-destined?
Nope.
I'm saying that before the draft this year Minny was looking to unload their first round pick. Reputable sources had BKN offering Brooks for the pick, but Minny ended up trading it for a GSW 2014 2nd round pick.
In other words BKN was shopping Brooks as recently as this year's draft but he was valued less highly than a 2014 2nd round pick, by at least one other team.
Hence what I wrote above...
And here are links to sources about the trades:
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=66353.msg1511092#msg1511092
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Personally i think Marshon Brooks is just another player who has huge upside andw as given only one real chance to play on a NBA team. Once the Nets made the splashes with Dwill and Johnson his role became almost obsolete. I've heard comparisons of Kobe and Brooks in their offensive game. Now no I'm not comparing them at all but offensively they have similar games, and not that i think Brooks can put up Kobe numbers in scoring but i would much rather have Brooks gettimg the minutes than Bogans or Crawford. Especially if by mid season were in full on tank mode because than at least we can really see what this kids all about
I want to reiterate the point I made earlier.
The Kobe comparison is a poor one. Even if it has some truth, it's not very flattering.
Kobe without all of the incredible talent, drive, and athleticism is not a very useful player. There's very little use for a ball-hog who isn't supremely efficient on offense.
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Personally i think Marshon Brooks is just another player who has huge upside andw as given only one real chance to play on a NBA team. Once the Nets made the splashes with Dwill and Johnson his role became almost obsolete. I've heard comparisons of Kobe and Brooks in their offensive game. Now no I'm not comparing them at all but offensively they have similar games, and not that i think Brooks can put up Kobe numbers in scoring but i would much rather have Brooks gettimg the minutes than Bogans or Crawford. Especially if by mid season were in full on tank mode because than at least we can really see what this kids all about
I want to reiterate the point I made earlier.
The Kobe comparison is a poor one. Even if it has some truth, it's not very flattering.
Kobe without all of the incredible talent, drive, and athleticism is not a very useful player. There's very little use for a ball-hog who isn't supremely efficient on offense.
Yeah, comparing him to Kobe is ludicrous. He's copied some of Kobe's moves, or rather, he's copied Jordan by way of Kobe, but I wouldn't characterize him as a ball hog. What impressed me is that he was able to expand his game almost at the drop of the hat when Avery Johnson told him to do so during his rookie season. He was a chucker at Providence and was still a chucker early in his rookie season. Then Avery told him he needed to be more well-rounded and well, he went out and did it. He became much more patient and started making plays for his teammates. It's impressive that he was able to do it and also impressive that he listened so readily. Jordan Crawford launching bad shots he is not.
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he will lead the league in scoring next year, and become the biggest steal in a trade in NBA history. Will become the next Kobe Braynt, the Green MAMBA, and we will trade 3 firsts for LMA or Cousins, and have the best starting 5 in the league of
Rondo
Brooks
Green
Oly
LMA/COUSINS
average 106 ppg, but yet still finish the year with 15 wins due to giving up 120ppg and draft Wiggins with the first overall pick.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6J4juRaBMc
This is what happens when he gets big minutes. Now would you rather have Jordan Chuckford over that?
That was an impressive game by MB. He showed that he can see the floor and pass the basketball, as well as press his own offense. I'm looking forward to seeing if Brooks can play well rounded, team basketball, as well as put the ball in the hoop.
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They play different positions, but MarShon Brooks contributes much less than Brandon Bass when neither is making shots and is less likely to make a shot than Bass.
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They play different positions, but MarShon Brooks contributes much less than Brandon Bass when neither is making shots and is less likely to make a shot than Bass.
the difference in fg% is 2% so i think that doesnt really count for much. i would much rather have a guy who can score 15 get 4 boards and 3 assists per 36
than 11 pts 7 rebs
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he will lead the league in scoring next year, and become the biggest steal in a trade in NBA history. Will become the next Kobe Braynt, the Green MAMBA, and we will trade 3 firsts for LMA or Cousins, and have the best starting 5 in the league of
Rondo
Brooks
Green
Oly
LMA/COUSINS
average 106 ppg, but yet still finish the year with 15 wins due to giving up 120ppg and draft Wiggins with the first overall pick.
HE IS .....the "NEXT BLACK MAMBA"
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They play different positions, but MarShon Brooks contributes much less than Brandon Bass when neither is making shots and is less likely to make a shot than Bass.
the difference in fg% is 2% so i think that doesnt really count for much. i would much rather have a guy who can score 15 get 4 boards and 3 assists per 36
than 11 pts 7 rebs
If the first guy plays matador defense and the second guy hustles on defense, would you still feel that way?
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Not good enough. We should get rid of our SG's and find a real one.
Problem is, this isn't a league filled with great SGs anymore. The influx of shoot first PGs has really changed the backcourt dynamics of the NBA and caused SGs to get less looks and shots. Also, many of these shoot first PGs probably would have been SGs 15 years ago.
The league is just filthy rich in great to elite PGs but sorely lacking in just very good to elite SGs. It makes finding a "real" SG to put with Rondo a difficult thing to do.
Hit the nail on the head, you just described Russell Westbrook
Yes, that's right. Also described a lot of others PG's... say the last 2 ROYs more or less. It's not really easy to find a quality "real" SG to go well with Rondo, but that would be great for the team, would really take it to another level. If the young Celtics SG's start playing better, we can try a trade.
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They play different positions, but MarShon Brooks contributes much less than Brandon Bass when neither is making shots and is less likely to make a shot than Bass.
the difference in fg% is 2% so i think that doesnt really count for much. i would much rather have a guy who can score 15 get 4 boards and 3 assists per 36
than 11 pts 7 rebs
If the first guy plays matador defense and the second guy hustles on defense, would you still feel that way?
haha good point
i will admit that my judgments are based on seeing bass play and just on brooks' statistics which dont show effort
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I see Brooks having a very productive year with Rondo dishing him some easy shots. Don't be surprised to see him in the starting lineup at the beginning of the year if Rondo is ready to go.
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Yes, that's right. Also described a lot of others PG's... say the last 2 ROYs more or less. It's not really easy to find a quality "real" SG to go well with Rondo, but that would be great for the team, would really take it to another level. If the young Celtics SG's start playing better, we can try a trade.
A catch-and-shoot guy who plays defense seems like the ideal shooting guard to pair with Rondo. Avery Bradley has the potential to be that guy.
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I see Brooks having a very productive year with Rondo dishing him some easy shots. Don't be surprised to see him in the starting lineup at the beginning of the year if Rondo is ready to go.
the same can be said about Deron Williams right? I mean obviously I think Rondo is the better player, but in terms of commanding double teams and setting up teammates, both Deron and Rondo possess that...
I doubt Marshon is going to be any more different than he was in Brooklyn. Though I must say the reason his production went down is because of Joe Johnson, while here, he has the competition of Bradley, Lee and Crawford which isn't much competition in terms of just plain scoring. I still like Bradley as our starting SG
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the question here really should be is Marshon Brooks' ceiling higher than any of the other Nets players Ainge could have asked for in return instead of him, such as Teletovich? I say yes, Brooks was clearly the best option.
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I say yes, Brooks was clearly the best option.
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I doubt Marshon is going to be any more different than he was in Brooklyn. Though I must say the reason his production went down is because of Joe Johnson, while here, he has the competition of Bradley, Lee and Crawford which isn't much competition in terms of just plain scoring. I still like Bradley as our starting SG
If you look at his per-minute stats, his playing time went down, but not his production. Some of the minutes that could have gone to Brooks went instead to Jerry Stackhouse and Keith Bogans. You may have noticed that Brooks only started two of the ten games that Johnson missed towards the end of the season, coming off the bench in the other eight. Was that because Avery Johnson and PJ Carlisimo are bad coaches who won't use young players? Was that because a playoff team should rely on veterans rather than inconsistent youth? Or was it something else?
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I doubt Marshon is going to be any more different than he was in Brooklyn. Though I must say the reason his production went down is because of Joe Johnson, while here, he has the competition of Bradley, Lee and Crawford which isn't much competition in terms of just plain scoring. I still like Bradley as our starting SG
If you look at his per-minute stats, his playing time went down, but not his production. Some of the minutes that could have gone to Brooks went instead to Jerry Stackhouse and Keith Bogans. You may have noticed that Brooks only started two of the ten games that Johnson missed towards the end of the season, coming off the bench in the other eight. Was that because Avery Johnson and PJ Carlisimo are bad coaches who won't use young players? Was that because a playoff team should rely on veterans rather than inconsistent youth? Or was it something else?
Thanks for pointing this out; however even if he did not start he did shoulder most of the scoring. Defense is the key, playing more within the flow of the game, making the extra pass, all things that come with experience. Is clearly a bright guy and one who has something to prove. Yes he can be a player in this league; but Crawford and Bradley will push him to prove it every day. The real question is which will be the most consistent from 3pt. range. Bradley can shut down D Wade. So he will also have to play some D to get minutes; but Danny will play him and Crawford, if only to showcase him for a trade. Look for them to spread the minutes around and mix things up.
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Ceiling: Kobe Bryant
Floor: LaMarcus Aldridge
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I have seen a solid rookie season from him and I think having Joe Johnson hindered his development a bit.
I mean sure, he needs to improve in a few facets of his game, especially defense but during his rookie year I saw the scorer that everyone said he was. If he gets a steady 25 minutes a game, I think it's not crazy to say that Brooks will average 12-15 ppg.
I think I'm echoing a lot of posters already but I'll say it anyway. I think his NBA floor is a scorer off the bench in the like of Gary Neal.
Now I'm not comparing him to Neal, obviously Neal is a better shooter, I'm just saying his NBA floor could be that kind of a role player that gets inserted in the game to provide a bit of a scoring punch, and then of course once in a while, will have big games where he'll be on fire and not miss anything.
His rookie year showed me that his ceiling could be a guy that will average 18 ppg on 42-44% shooting. I think he was on pace to do such a thing if not for JJ taking his paying time. Now, for a player picked #25 in a relatively weak draft, that's a steal. But I think that's about as high as he can be.
And he still needs to work on his defense and three point shooting.
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He would make a nice fourth guard on a good team. He can put the ball in the basket (albeit inefficiently). Every team needs a guy who can score.
He also seems to be a nice kid. Seems very willing to learn. He could turn into a solid asset if Stevens can teach him to play defense and shoot.
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Ceiling: Reggie Miller, Floor: Muggsy Boguoes. ;-)
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Ceiling: Reggie Miller, Floor: Muggsy Boguoes. ;-)
cant wait for reggie 2.0
it will be like ray never left
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Still needs to improve his 3 point shooting and shot selection, but he's an interesting offensive talent that can be productive when given the chance.
If I had to sum him up in one sentence that would be it.
I watched a good bit of Brooks his rookie season and the potential there was obvious, but I think there is a clear ceiling for him. He is never going to be a starting 2 guard on a team that is competing for a championship.
At best he is going to be Nate Robinson/Nick Young type 6th man instant offense type of player. At worst he is going to be a talented scorer on a Euro squad. If I had to make a prediction, I think he is going to end up being a poor man's 6th man or a rotational SG on a good team (Leandro Barbosa).
I don't think he is going to be a Celtic long term though. With a bit more polish he would be a great add in to one of those mega trades for a superstar. He will get plenty of minutes to showcase his talents this year and then could be moved in a large deal down the road or at the deadline to a contender needing either scoring or that suffered an unexpected injury.
He just was. Involved in a mega trade for 2 superstars actually. Just a shame we were the ones giving up the superstars.
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Not very good.
On the other hand, we may be bad enough that bad players could look good this season. Like Brooks' rookie season.
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Still needs to improve his 3 point shooting and shot selection, but he's an interesting offensive talent that can be productive when given the chance.
If I had to sum him up in one sentence that would be it.
I watched a good bit of Brooks his rookie season and the potential there was obvious, but I think there is a clear ceiling for him. He is never going to be a starting 2 guard on a team that is competing for a championship.
At best he is going to be Nate Robinson/Nick Young type 6th man instant offense type of player. At worst he is going to be a talented scorer on a Euro squad. If I had to make a prediction, I think he is going to end up being a poor man's 6th man or a rotational SG on a good team (Leandro Barbosa).
I don't think he is going to be a Celtic long term though. With a bit more polish he would be a great add in to one of those mega trades for a superstar. He will get plenty of minutes to showcase his talents this year and then could be moved in a large deal down the road or at the deadline to a contender needing either scoring or that suffered an unexpected injury.
He just was. Involved in a mega trade for 2 superstars actually. Just a shame we were the ones giving up the superstars.
I don't consider Paul Pierce and KG superstars, and I don't think anyone nowadays would..
They are just very good above average role players.
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I don't consider Paul Pierce and KG superstars, and I don't think anyone nowadays would..
They are just very good above average role players.
Yeah, I don't think anyone would consider them simply "above average", either.
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I don't consider Paul Pierce and KG superstars, and I don't think anyone nowadays would..
They are just very good above average role players.
Yeah, I don't think anyone would consider them simply "above average", either.
KG is a top 5 defender in the league and Pierce brings an all around skill set that is very rare. They are more than above average role players, they are just below all-star level players still.
The reason they would label themselves role players on the Nets is because they are stepping into a lineup with capable players, three that are also all-star level talents but that are younger.
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Not good enough. We should get rid of our SG's and find a real one.
Problem is, this isn't a league filled with great SGs anymore. The influx of shoot first PGs has really changed the backcourt dynamics of the NBA and caused SGs to get less looks and shots. Also, many of these shoot first PGs probably would have been SGs 15 years ago.
The league is just filthy rich in great to elite PGs but sorely lacking in just very good to elite SGs. It makes finding a "real" SG to put with Rondo a difficult thing to do.
Hit the nail on the head, you just described Russell Westbrook
Yes, that's right. Also described a lot of others PG's... say the last 2 ROYs more or less. It's not really easy to find a quality "real" SG to go well with Rondo, but that would be great for the team, would really take it to another level. If the young Celtics SG's start playing better, we can try a trade.
Ironically, the topic of the thread could be the SG that Rondo needs
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Ironically, the topic of the thread could be the SG that Rondo needs
I doubt it. In my mind, the SG that Rondo needs is more like Ray Allen and less like Jamaal Crawford. And Brooks is exactly the opposite, it seems.
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Not very.
Brooks was taken way down at #25 for a reason. He just doesn't have a ton of talent in the eyes of scouts.
That doesn't mean he won't surprise. Some late 1st round picks and even the extremely rare 2nd round picks DO go on to become productive NBA players.
But the odds are very, very low.
I know he's popular as a local college kid. But I will be shocked if he stays on an NBA roster past his rookie contract. He seems destined for international ball.
The gap in talent between players like Bradley/Lee and players like Bogans/Crawford/Brooks is like a vast canyon. And I'm only including Bogans with the latter two because he's relatively old and past his 'prime'. If anything, Bogans is at least a more consistent shooter and a much better defender than either Crawford or Brooks.
I would surprised if we don't see at least one of, if not both of Crawford / Brooks traded away before our season starts. If we keep one, it will probably be Brooks, I suppose - mainly because Crawford going out would move more salary. Crawford also probably has a bit more player value, since he can play PG.
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Pretty good when I am wearing my glasses.
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Ironically, the topic of the thread could be the SG that Rondo needs
I doubt it. In my mind, the SG that Rondo needs is more like Ray Allen and less like Jamaal Crawford. And Brooks is exactly the opposite, it seems.
Yeah Rondo doesn't need another guard who wants to handle the ball and try to create.
Especially one who so far in his career isn't very efficient at it.
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Ironically, the topic of the thread could be the SG that Rondo needs
I doubt it. In my mind, the SG that Rondo needs is more like Ray Allen and less like Jamaal Crawford. And Brooks is exactly the opposite, it seems.
I agree that Marshon is more like Crawford than Ray
But I feel either type of shooting guard would be awesome for Rondo
Crawford may be more about dribbling and breaking down an opponent, but his positives can be Ray's positives
He's still a 3 point threat, so he would still spread the floor
Both can move without the ball
Both him and Ray are clutch performers whenever you need them
IMO it was actually harder to give Ray the ball, seeing as you had to create so much screens for him to get open. While you can give Crawford the ball 94 ft away from the basket, and he'll score on his own
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Ironically, the topic of the thread could be the SG that Rondo needs
I'd argue that he is the opposite of the SG that Rondo needs.
Rondo needs a SG who is a good three-point shooter to compensate for Rondo's deficiency in that area. Brooks is not a good three-point shooter.
Rondo needs a SG who can move without the ball. Brooks is considered to be bad at playing without the ball. If you compared Brooks to Joe Johnson on the Nets last season, Brooks had a higher usage % and had a lower percentage of his shot assisted.
Rondo could use a SG whose defense will allow him to conserve energy by taking an occasional play off. The words "matador defense" have sometimes been used to describe MarShon Brooks.
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Ironically, the topic of the thread could be the SG that Rondo needs
I doubt it. In my mind, the SG that Rondo needs is more like Ray Allen and less like Jamaal Crawford. And Brooks is exactly the opposite, it seems.
I agree that Marshon is more like Crawford than Ray
But I feel either type of shooting guard would be awesome for Rondo
Crawford may be more about dribbling and breaking down an opponent, but his positives can be Ray's positives
He's still a 3 point threat, so he would still spread the floor
Both can move without the ball
Both him and Ray are clutch performers whenever you need them
IMO it was actually harder to give Ray the ball, seeing as you had to create so much screens for him to get open. While you can give Crawford the ball 94 ft away from the basket, and he'll score on his own
I didn't say he necessarily must be Ray, who had regressed to strictly running off picks by the end of his tenure with the Celtics - but someone like Brooks or Crawford is best with the ball in their hands, so pairing them with Rondo is doing everyone a disservice.
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Guess the word play with my ceiling floor comparison got missed.
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Guess the word play with my ceiling floor comparison got missed.
As did my thoughtful, spot on analysis. ::)
pity TP coming your way. We'll get 'em next time.
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Unfortunately Brooks is Terribad from 3 point range. That's what drops him a lot compared to most SGs in this league. Right now both Bradley and Lee are better.
I'm not sure that Brooks can evolve to anything beyond a slasher.
Ceiling:
I guess if we were to dream, we'd hope that he could be as good as Demar Derozan. But somehow I doubt that's gonna happen. Derozan has a couple inches on him and is more athletic.
Floor:
Actually this is the scary part because Brooks might end up a bust. His floor is probably a poor man's Jordan Crawford. Brooks needs to learn to play defense, be smarter with his shot selection and passing, so he's not a black hole on offense.
Hard to see Brooks getting any serious minutes with Bradley, Lee, and Crawford all ahead of him. If Crawford gets traded, then Brooks might have a shot to develop into something. Otherwise he is gonna get a lot of bench splinters this upcoming season.
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I think there's WAYYY to many people here bashing marshon as much as they have. I don't agree that lee Crawford Bradley are that much further ahead of him.. I think the SG starting position is up for grabs. Bradley is a beast on defense but at this point we prob need more of offensive option at this point and Courtney lee proved last season he's not that guy and Jordan Crawford has alot of potential to, it's definitely all up for grabs no one is better then the other, it's going to be fun to watch
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Brooks could be very good if he is developed into the right system. It seems the Celtics are all about the system, hence the hiring of Stevens. Now, I think and want this kid to be good. He wore a Celtics tie and Celtics socks to the press conference. This shows class and an excitement to be here.
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Ironically, the topic of the thread could be the SG that Rondo needs
I'd argue that he is the opposite of the SG that Rondo needs.
Rondo needs a SG who is a good three-point shooter to compensate for Rondo's deficiency in that area. Brooks is not a good three-point shooter.
Rondo needs a SG who can move without the ball. Brooks is considered to be bad at playing without the ball. If you compared Brooks to Joe Johnson on the Nets last season, Brooks had a higher usage % and had a lower percentage of his shot assisted.
Rondo could use a SG whose defense will allow him to conserve energy by taking an occasional play off. The words "matador defense" have sometimes been used to describe MarShon Brooks.
Brooks really wouldn't be a good compliment SG to Rondo because he tends to have the ball in his hands, which isn't going to work well with Rondo.
He isn't a spot up shooter. He is more of a slasher, who needs to be handling the ball to create (like a smaller/quicker Tyreke Evans, not a pure PG, not a shooter, but a scorer who functions best with the ball).
I think he is a better compliment for Bradley at PG (if we have to continue to suffer through that experiment this year). Bradley's defense compliments Brooks' scoring punch. Bradley isn't the best floor general in a set offense so he can hand the ball off to Brooks on the offensive side of the floor and make cuts away from the ball, which I think is his best role offensively.
Ideally you'd want a shooter who can hit threes on kick outs, but Brooks generally is going to need the ball in his hands to create.
That being said though, maybe experimenting with him in a role where he doesn't get to be the ball dominant player will help flesh him out more as a better overall player. Some of his main drawbacks are his turnovers and shot selection since the ball seems glued to his hands at times. If he is forced to play off the ball more he might become a more diverse scorer.