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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: sed522002 on July 11, 2013, 05:56:57 PM
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http://www.boston.com/video/viral_page/?bctid=2538128792001
Can't say I disagree.
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Ray took less money to leave while the Celtics were still strong, while KG was asked to leave for the good of the team while the team was on decline.
That was a semi-classy answer from Ray, but he is still a traitor
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Ray took less money to leave while the Celtics were still strong, while KG was asked to leave for the good of the team while the team was on decline.
That was a semi-classy answer from Ray, but he is still a traitor
Regardless of the reasons Doc and Kg did what was best for them. . just like Ray. Doc expressed his disappointments about Ray leaving numerous times..he did the same. They just happen to get something out of Doc leaving.
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Ray took less money to leave while the Celtics were still strong, while KG was asked to leave for the good of the team while the team was on decline.
That was a semi-classy answer from Ray, but he is still a traitor
Regardless of the reasons Doc and Kg did what was best for them. . just like Ray. Doc expressed his disappointments about Ray leaving numerous times..he did the same. They just happen to get something out of Doc leaving.
Taking several millions of dollars less to play for your rival is a cowards move. The situation absolutely matters.
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It's not the same. Doc and Ray left, but KG was pushed out the door.
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I love KG and am not a Ray fan at all, but what KG did is arguably worse.
KG seems to have threatened the team not to trade an asset (Pierce) to other than where Pierce approves--or KG would neither have agreed to a trade or played for the C's this year.
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Ray took less money to leave while the Celtics were still strong, while KG was asked to leave for the good of the team while the team was on decline.
That was a semi-classy answer from Ray, but he is still a traitor
Regardless of the reasons Doc and Kg did what was best for them. . just like Ray. Doc expressed his disappointments about Ray leaving numerous times..he did the same. They just happen to get something out of Doc leaving.
Taking several millions of dollars less to play for your rival is a cowards move. The situation absolutely matters.
This. The situations completely different. Not to mention KG was actually traded and we got assets back for him and PP to help with the rebuild. Ray left for our rival for a paycut when we were expected to be the team to rival Miami. He threw a tantrum and left for nothing.
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Ray took less money to leave while the Celtics were still strong, while KG was asked to leave for the good of the team while the team was on decline.
That was a semi-classy answer from Ray, but he is still a traitor
Regardless of the reasons Doc and Kg did what was best for them. . just like Ray. Doc expressed his disappointments about Ray leaving numerous times..he did the same. They just happen to get something out of Doc leaving.
Taking several millions of dollars less to play for your rival is a cowards move. The situation absolutely matters.
Who cares? I've been over Ray for the longest. His goal was to get a ring and he got it. It was because of him that they had a G7. I give Kg more of a pass, but Doc and Ray's situation is same.
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I love KG and am not a Ray fan at all, but what KG did is arguably worse.
KG seems to have threatened the team not to trade an asset (Pierce) to other than where Pierce approves--or KG would neither have agreed to a trade or played for the C's this year.
That's a jump.
More likely, Danny worked with both of them to create a situation that worked for all parties. KG had a no trade clause, he was always the master of hIs own fate.
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Ray opted to leave Boston and go to Miami. Boston wanted him to stay and offered him money to stay.
KG was asked by Boston, "we would like to send you to Brooklyn, will you please go?" And KG said OK.
Those are not the same thing.
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Ray who? :]
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I love KG and am not a Ray fan at all, but what KG did is arguably worse.
KG seems to have threatened the team not to trade an asset (Pierce) to other than where Pierce approves--or KG would neither have agreed to a trade or played for the C's this year.
That's a jump.
More likely, Danny worked with both of them to create a situation that worked for all parties. KG had a no trade clause, he was always the master of hIs own fate.
Exactly.
This all stems from Doc choosing LA.
We all know once Doc is gone, KG is gone, once KG is gone, Pierce is gone.
I think Danny, did a good job of getting assets and in return while still being on good terms with Doc KG and PP.
I'm positive Danny wanted the best for KG and PP, and he put them in a really good situation. They have a legitimate shot of taking it all this up coming season.
Ray Allen on the other hand, left Boston for Miami, a team that they took 7 games in the Conference finals.
Remember all those free throws he missed in the ECF against the Heat? this guy is a 90 percent free throw shooter for his whole career.
I think leaving was in the back of his mind at that time.
That's a traitor.
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Allen said literally nothing in that minute.
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Who cares what Ray has to say? I'm sick of him.
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Did he have his 30 pieces of silver on him?????
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I love KG and am not a Ray fan at all, but what KG did is arguably worse.
KG seems to have threatened the team not to trade an asset (Pierce) to other than where Pierce approves--or KG would neither have agreed to a trade or played for the C's this year.
Agreed. I never held any ill will towards Ray. He was all class and will have his number hanging from the rafters in Miami. Sad that Boston will probably let bad feelings keep them from retiring the number. That being said, the real culprits are KG Pierce and Doc who lied about bleeding Celtic green and then forcing moves.
I love the Nets deal because we needed to blow it up badly. I think it should have ended at the latest after the finals vs the Lakers. They were never going to get close to Game 7 of the finals again (Don't give me last year...making it to game 7 vs Miami was an epic fluke).
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ay was a free agent. He had every right to go to any team he wanted. And the Heat gave him the best chance to win another ring and as it turns out he was one of the big reasons they got it. Was I mad when he left? Yes.
But I'm over it now.
And I don't care that he "took less money" stuff. If Boston could get a great player to help win a ring who did it for less money we'd all love that person and think he was the best for it.
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Funny to see that even a year later, people consider Allen a "traitor." I don have an problem with Allen going to the Heat. He was a FA. He could do as he pleased. He chose another ring over money because he thought Miami offered a better situation. And guess what folks? HE WAS RIGHT!!! Good for him.
KG I dont have a problem either. It gives him another opportunity to win another championship.
The problem I do have is Doc. He's the one who ran for the hills and couldnt wait to bolt. Under contract for 3 more years and dude just forced his way out. C's fans should be furious with him more than Allen or Garnett. He should be booed off the court when the Clippers come to Boston.
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Funny to see that even a year later, people consider Allen a "traitor." I don have an problem with Allen going to the Heat. He was a FA. He could do as he pleased. He chose another ring over money because he thought Miami offered a better situation. And guess what folks? HE WAS RIGHT!!! Good for him.
KG I dont have a problem either. It gives him another opportunity to win another championship.
The problem I do have is Doc. He's the one who ran for the hills and couldnt wait to bolt. Under contract for 3 more years and dude just forced his way out. C's fans should be furious with him more than Allen or Garnett. He should be booed off the court when the Clippers come to Boston.
You know I'm not even mad a Doc either. We got a pick and a new coach that I hope works out well. Doc was here a long time and perhaps it really was time for a change.
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I love KG and am not a Ray fan at all, but what KG did is arguably worse.
Pardon? KG took a pay-cut to stay here. If it wasn't for the no-trade he negotiated, he wouldn't have had much of a say in this at all (except threat of retirement). Kudos to him for staying with Pierce (who had no choice in this whatsoever), and getting something for the C's on the way out.
Allen made an absurd contract demand, and then left for nothing to play for the enemy at half price.
At least give KG the opportunity to speak for himself first. Allen and Rivers took the chance to bury themselves with mealy-mouthed contradictory nonsense.
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I love KG and am not a Ray fan at all, but what KG did is arguably worse.
KG seems to have threatened the team not to trade an asset (Pierce) to other than where Pierce approves--or KG would neither have agreed to a trade or played for the C's this year.
Agreed. I never held any ill will towards Ray. He was all class and will have his number hanging from the rafters in Miami. Sad that Boston will probably let bad feelings keep them from retiring the number. That being said, the real culprits are KG Pierce and Doc who lied about bleeding Celtic green and then forcing moves.
I love the Nets deal because we needed to blow it up badly. I think it should have ended at the latest after the finals vs the Lakers. They were never going to get close to Game 7 of the finals again (Don't give me last year...making it to game 7 vs Miami was an epic fluke).
KG and PP would have stayed if the team would have been bad or good. DA asked them or at least KG if he could move them because he new that there was no way they were getting back to the finals with the current team. KG probably said only if you can find a team that will take PP too.
DA did PP,KG,Allen and Doc a favor by working the deals to get them hear. Doc would have been let go with in a couple more years, PP probably traded, and maybe only KG would have a ring because he would have gone to LA instead.
I believe PP and KG would have stayed hear to the end, but DA found a deal that was good for both the C's and for them. I think DA talked to them and made them realize its the end and would they rather finish barely making the playoffs or contending were they don't have to carry the team every night like they would hear. And them especially KG who take 3 hours to get ready for a game now don't want to have to go threw that there last two seasons and loose.
I think they did each other favors.
Ray just did a favor for his ego.
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I love KG and am not a Ray fan at all, but what KG did is arguably worse.
KG seems to have threatened the team not to trade an asset (Pierce) to other than where Pierce approves--or KG would neither have agreed to a trade or played for the C's this year.
Agreed. I never held any ill will towards Ray. He was all class and will have his number hanging from the rafters in Miami. Sad that Boston will probably let bad feelings keep them from retiring the number. That being said, the real culprits are KG Pierce and Doc who lied about bleeding Celtic green and then forcing moves.
I love the Nets deal because we needed to blow it up badly. I think it should have ended at the latest after the finals vs the Lakers. They were never going to get close to Game 7 of the finals again (Don't give me last year...making it to game 7 vs Miami was an epic fluke).
KG and PP would have stayed if the team would have been bad or good. DA asked them or at least KG if he could move them because he new that there was no way they were getting back to the finals with the current team. KG probably said only if you can find a team that will take PP too.
DA did PP,KG,Allen and Doc a favor by working the deals to get them hear. Doc would have been let go with in a couple more years, PP probably traded, and maybe only KG would have a ring because he would have gone to LA instead.
I believe PP and KG would have stayed hear to the end, but DA found a deal that was good for both the C's and for them. I think DA talked to them and made them realize its the end and would they rather finish barely making the playoffs or contending were they don't have to carry the team every night like they would hear. And them especially KG who take 3 hours to get ready for a game now don't want to have to go threw that there last two seasons and loose.
I think they did each other favors.
Ray just did a favor for his ego.
100% agree.
What was KG supposed to do? Sit here and pout? Pierce was going either way, he didn't have a no trade clause and Danny was clearly rebuilding. Like it or not, KG being traded - as well as Paul - was best for Danny's plan.
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In fairness to Ray, what was he supposed to say?
He's not going to come out and say that the situations are completely different and its hard how to evaluate them both together.
This has to be the ideal outcome for Ray and his image having gone to Miami. He wins a ring, which is more than enough support for his decision to bail and then immediately after KG and PP get traded to Eastern Conference team.
I'm excited to see the interactions next season when the Nets play the Heat. It's going to be weird/interesting.
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Allen said literally nothing in that minute.
Just like his defense. Just nothing. Just wasn't there. Quick. Offer him a contract to stay here with a no trade clause. Oh wait. No. Don't.
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why does Allen want to continue to talk about the Celtics?
He left, we don't need another sound bite from Judas.
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I love KG and am not a Ray fan at all, but what KG did is arguably worse.
KG seems to have threatened the team not to trade an asset (Pierce) to other than where Pierce approves--or KG would neither have agreed to a trade or played for the C's this year.
Agreed. I never held any ill will towards Ray. He was all class and will have his number hanging from the rafters in Miami. Sad that Boston will probably let bad feelings keep them from retiring the number. That being said, the real culprits are KG Pierce and Doc who lied about bleeding Celtic green and then forcing moves.
I love the Nets deal because we needed to blow it up badly. I think it should have ended at the latest after the finals vs the Lakers. They were never going to get close to Game 7 of the finals again (Don't give me last year...making it to game 7 vs Miami was an epic fluke).
KG and PP would have stayed if the team would have been bad or good. DA asked them or at least KG if he could move them because he new that there was no way they were getting back to the finals with the current team. KG probably said only if you can find a team that will take PP too.
DA did PP,KG,Allen and Doc a favor by working the deals to get them hear. Doc would have been let go with in a couple more years, PP probably traded, and maybe only KG would have a ring because he would have gone to LA instead.
I believe PP and KG would have stayed hear to the end, but DA found a deal that was good for both the C's and for them. I think DA talked to them and made them realize its the end and would they rather finish barely making the playoffs or contending were they don't have to carry the team every night like they would hear. And them especially KG who take 3 hours to get ready for a game now don't want to have to go threw that there last two seasons and loose.
I think they did each other favors.
Ray just did a favor for his ego.
Was contemplating starting a thread on this.
It's a business. But it doesn't mean there can't be good feelings to be had.
Ainge sent the vets to their last championship. In return picks.
Doc left but at least he left us a pick. Sure, it probably wasn't on the team's terms, seeing what Wyc said, but it's definitely better than the way Ray Allen left.
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They tried to trade KG to the Clips last February, and again in June before the whole "you can't trade player and coach thing". Then, they tried to send KG to Brooklyn, so KG must have been like "well ok they don't want me so might as well"
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Doc left but at least he left us a pick. Sure, it probably wasn't on the team's terms, seeing what Wyc said, but it's definitely better than the way Ray Allen left.
Doc was being called into a 2nd news conference ..the 1st had been canceled because the Clips came back..THEN said the negotiator didn't have the authority to authorize any specifics. Danny walks away AGAIN and everyone says it's really REALLY dead and then apparently the negotiator (Doc) apparently did have the authority ???
Doc didn't give anything. He took assets off the table while ignoring and staying off his employers grid. Ray...is not comparable to Doc. Loyalty is a nice word but it's not written into contracts. Non compete clauses are and Doc broke those clauses and violated the letter of and spirit of a contract he signed. I don't know how on earth folks can put Ray in league with Doc.
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wow
i thought it was gonna be more..
we all know u dont know what a man goes thru till u walk in his shoes..
learned nothin
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wow
i thought it was gonna be more..
we all know u dont know what a man goes thru till u walk in his shoes..
learned nothin
Exactly the way I felt when I heard the Judas sound byte.
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Doc left but at least he left us a pick. Sure, it probably wasn't on the team's terms, seeing what Wyc said, but it's definitely better than the way Ray Allen left.
Doc was being called into a 2nd news conference ..the 1st had been canceled because the Clips came back..THEN said the negotiator didn't have the authority to authorize any specifics. Danny walks away AGAIN and everyone says it's really REALLY dead and then apparently the negotiator (Doc) apparently did have the authority ???
Doc didn't give anything. He took assets off the table while ignoring and staying off his employers grid. Ray...is not comparable to Doc. Loyalty is a nice word but it's not written into contracts. Non compete clauses are and Doc broke those clauses and violated the letter of and spirit of a contract he signed. I don't know how on earth folks can put Ray in league with Doc.
That's true. Doc did have a contract. I'll concede that I may have been overlooking this. There's a lot a lot of details left out. Can't trust any party in the Doc situation with the truth. Ainge always had the option to take the deal off the table, however.
Main problem people had with Ray was that he joined the then rival of ours. The team that we took to 7 games.
Ray was supposed to be brother in arms with the team. He should hate the Heat. Instead what happened happened.
At least Doc had a reason. His strengths are wasted on a rebuilding team. Ray's reason was he wanted to win...???...any other team would have been better. Maybe Doc would have done the same (join the Heat) but he didn't and we can only speculate.
That's just my opinion. Not trying to force it upon others.
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Doc left but at least he left us a pick. Sure, it probably wasn't on the team's terms, seeing what Wyc said, but it's definitely better than the way Ray Allen left.
Doc was being called into a 2nd news conference ..the 1st had been canceled because the Clips came back..THEN said the negotiator didn't have the authority to authorize any specifics. Danny walks away AGAIN and everyone says it's really REALLY dead and then apparently the negotiator (Doc) apparently did have the authority ???
Doc didn't give anything. He took assets off the table while ignoring and staying off his employers grid. Ray...is not comparable to Doc. Loyalty is a nice word but it's not written into contracts. Non compete clauses are and Doc broke those clauses and violated the letter of and spirit of a contract he signed. I don't know how on earth folks can put Ray in league with Doc.
That's true. Doc did have a contract. I'll concede that I may have been overlooking this. There's a lot a lot of details left out. Can't trust any party in the Doc situation with the truth. Ainge always had the option to take the deal off the table, however.
Main problem people had with Ray was that he joined the then rival of ours. The team that we took to 7 games.
Ray was supposed to be brother in arms with the team. He should hate the Heat. Instead what happened happened.
At least Doc had a reason. His strengths are wasted on a rebuilding team. Ray's reason was he wanted to win...???...any other team would have been better. Maybe Doc would have done the same (join the Heat) but he didn't and we can only speculate.
That's just my opinion. Not trying to force it upon others.
I get and respect your view. Believe me.
I just take Doc's behavior more deeply. We all see stuff differently so I'm not hatin' just venting ;D
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What's with this idea that winning is meant to change our perception of people? You follow the NBA & see these people's attitudes and if they win you watch how they win.
Like people say Miami won the championship so Ray Allen was "right". It doesn't change anything. He jumped on the bandwagon of the best team he could find and hated rival of the Cs.
It's the same thing with LeBron like we are all meant to like him now he's got rings. He's still the same ass. It doesn't make any difference.
Wade broke Rondo's arm on purpose and that was a huge part of them winning that playoff series. It's not just winning it's the way you win.
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Ray opted to leave Boston and go to Miami. Boston wanted him to stay and offered him money to stay.
KG was asked by Boston, "we would like to send you to Brooklyn, will you please go?" And KG said OK.
Those are not the same thing.
Exactly...not at all the same.
Why can't he just say "No Comment", and move on past his Celtics days....
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Now ray ray has started condescendingly talking about bandwagon heat fans. Thanks for the irony ray ray.
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I'm sick of hearing that Ray took less money. We always applaud players taking less money for a chance to win. This is a 100% bogus reason to keep bringing up. If you're mad he left us for the Heat then that's one thing. But that's not a good reason to be mad at him.
If we had a championship caliber team and someone came here for less money we would all love that person.
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I'm sick of hearing that Ray took less money. We always applaud players taking less money for a chance to win. This is a 100% bogus reason to keep bringing up. If you're mad he left us for the Heat then that's one thing. But that's not a good reason to be mad at him.
If we had a championship caliber team and someone came here for less money we would all love that person.
? Does this really need to be explained?
It adds injiry to insult when the guy was on your competative team and would rather take half the money than spend another second on your team
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If you're mad he left us for the Heat then that's one thing. But that's not a good reason to be mad at him.
I must be tired...I don't know what that means ???
Ray didn't do nearly as much damage to the Celtics as Doc did. Not even close. More than that if Danny had pulled the trigger and ignored Doc,Paul,K.G. or any combo of them we woulda got O.J. Mayo.
Ray took care of Ray. The Celtics shoulda taken care of the franchise and not the very sensitive ego's of our former vet locker room. When it's all said and done..Ray got a ring, Doc has a chance at chasing one and K.G. and Pierce do too. The Celtics got duped by an over rated coach of the stars. I hope CP3 and Doc get buddy buddy and it causes that org to get borked.
Danny needs to never get all BFF with his coaches and players in the future. Doc and K.G.'s Hamlet like drama's were getting freakin old.
Oh, Danny boooooy..., you won't do THAT again.
Please :'(
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When ainge was not going to pickup the option year, bc no way pierce proved he deserved it, kg wasnt so sure to continue with the team bc pp is a good friend plus he will now have to take on a huge load to carry the team, and lastly rivers wasnt sure what to do next, didnt want to go back to 07 and just couldnt commit with the org through thick and thin.
Kg and rivers as much are loyal guys , are not guys that have the sheer ballz to say at this stage of their careers, "i will carry the team on my back".
Ive figured out thats just the way it is , the way they are. Ive stopped hating and look fwd to the situation now.
Brad stevens looks like a guy that brings alot of leadership with him. His butler teams the last few years had a bunch of no name hs recruits, overachieving their game reminds me of what popovich can do with no name guys like green and neal.
Rondo has more leadership capabilities now than pp, kg, allen , but needs to also trust his teammates and get the whole team involved like in 2008-2010.
Sullinger while young sounds and looks like a leader already.
Im looking fwd to next season
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It's not the same. Doc and Ray left, but KG was pushed out the door.
This.
Doc and Ray left because they want nothing to do with their respective situations.
Ray hating the fact that he was being traded even though a "consummate professional" should know that it is part of the business and Doc leaving because he wants no part of reubilding.
KG and Paul for that matter never want to go, they we're asked to leave to make the team better in the future.
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I have no problem with Doc, KG, and PP leaving. Allen, however, is a different case.
He's a selfish prima donna with a ridiculous ego. Rather than leaving with class, he chose to burn basically every relationship he had in Boston. Doc? Didn't utilize him enough. KG/PP? Didn't defend him enough to the media. Rondo? Didn't pass to him enough, and a bad teammate. Ainge and management? Didn't respect him enough. Even worse, he basically whined and complained about all of the above to every Boston and Miami and national media member he could find.
Good riddance.
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SMH Ray Allen has become one of my top 5 least favorite athletes in all of sports.
Keep your mouth shut big guy
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He's not exactly saying many lies, but that does not "redeem" him or makes KG looks bad. Ray is still and will always be considered a traitor.