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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: droopdog7 on July 07, 2013, 01:59:31 PM
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A few things I got from today's game.
Olynyk can play. Period. Anyone who thought DA wasted a pick is sorely mistaken. And yes, I understand its only the first summer league game. But you can tell fairly quickly when I guy can play.
And speaking of wasted picks, Melo still has a ways to go. And our SL guards are pretty much the suck.
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I see Olynyk as a poor mans Dirk...very offensively skilled...weak on defense...people who didnt like the pick was because of his lack of athleticism(kind of like sullinger) but Ill take skill/bbIQ over athleticism any day
he'll contribute right away(almost because we have no other options though.
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Ainge wasn't lying when he said this kid is smart and NBA-ready. Looks like another gem of a pick to add to Ainge's growing list of draft pick successes.
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Pressey looked decent for the guards. But summer league guards are little more than chucksters taking ill advised shots.
Oly can play but he will have to work on his footspeed as he had six fouls. His shot was amazing.
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
Can't mention those two names in a thread about Olynyk.
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Pressey looked decent for the guards. But summer league guards are little more than chucksters taking ill advised shots.
Oly can play but he will have to work on his footspeed as he had six fouls. His shot was amazing.
Guards traditionally tear up the summer league. The fact that Pressey could only be "decent" speaks volumes. I honestly don't like his prospects in the NBA.
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Kelly is a nice young big and lord knows the celtics need offense in the worst way ,
the team has ALOT of dumping to do and find some new talent .to compete with
I'm happy Brad just didn't tell DA no thanks and walk away.
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
Pau's soft reputation is completely fake. He's been a great post player for a decade. He's skilled, but not soft. Good defense for a center too, and career 9.2 rebounds in 35.9 mpg. That's not soft. In fact his RPG is #10 of all active players; Dirk is #18 among qualified players. These are fake labels because they are skilled and european, so their styles aren't brutish, but they are not "soft."
We will see if olynyk is soft or just bad at rebounding, but his college rebounding projects him as nowhere near Pau or even Dirk.
I think Ryan Anderson might be an ok player comp, and Anderson averaged 6.4 rbg last year after getting 8.2 and 9.9 in college; the highest olynyk got was 7.3 in his 3rd college season.
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its scary how similar he is to jajuan johnson in terms of strengths and weaknesses. jajuan may even be better as he was athletic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU29ChYLinc
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its scary how similar he is to jajuan johnson in terms of strengths and weaknesses. jajuan may even be better as he was athletic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU29ChYLinc
olynyk? don't see that at all
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its scary how similar he is to jajuan johnson in terms of strengths and weaknesses. jajuan may even be better as he was athletic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU29ChYLinc
olynyk? don't see that at all
olynyk = jumpshooting big with weak defense.
jajuan = jump shooting big with weak defense.
olynyk can take it to the hole better, but jajuan was a better dunker.
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I feel like Kelly has a better IQ for basketball then Jujuan did.
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A few things I got from today's game.
Olynyk can play. Period. Anyone who thought DA wasted a pick is sorely mistaken. And yes, I understand its only the first summer league game. But you can tell fairly quickly when I guy can play.
And speaking of wasted picks, Melo still has a ways to go. And our SL guards are pretty much the suck.
Agree. Was not on board from the start; but the more I read the better I felt and now and completely onboard. Anybody can look good next to Melo. That is one pick I am still not buying. So tired of seeing him loaf around the paint only to get pushed out of position.
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I never saw much to JJJ. ever from day 1.
KO. ....much taller, has nice form, passes good , and looks like he knows what to do with the ball , much like Sully does, not scared of the moment
JJJ. was in over his head , slow thinking, poor dribbler, and not very confident..........
KO has a bright upside. , for a 16 round pick. he is not bad at all.
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its scary how similar he is to jajuan johnson in terms of strengths and weaknesses. jajuan may even be better as he was athletic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU29ChYLinc
olynyk? don't see that at all
olynyk = jumpshooting big with weak defense.
jajuan = jump shooting big with weak defense.
olynyk can take it to the hole better, but jajuan was a better dunker.
KO has a better stronger base then Johnson did by his second year. Thats were the strength to hold off you man comes from. I think just adding 5 to 10 pounds of muscle will be about right. Don't want him too big.
KO's A better shooter, passer, and has WAY better basketball IQ. Has more offensive moves and isn't scared to bang or take the shot.
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Overall thoughts
Alot of good college players but not pros on this team (N.Smith, Johnson-Odom)
Olynyk proving he is NBA ready and can make a positive influence on this team this year. Although he has along way to go on the defensive end.
Fab- Say what you want about him as a future prospect there was a clear improvement over last year. (Granted he couldn't really go any where but up) showed a semblance of an offensive game and protected the rim decently.
Pressey- have seen him play since he was in HS. He has a chance to make the roster. As far as talent goes he's probally just behind KO for most talent on the team. Obviously needs to reduce turnovers but he's lightning quick, plus tough D and has above average passing abilities. He will play in the NBA one day on this team or another
Mitchell- as avertized. He's a good player against lesser talent.
Iverson- he's a project plays good D and hard worker (Watch tape against Mizzou) don't see much of an offensive game now that he cannot overpower lesser players like at CSU.
Didn't see much else out there worth mentioning
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
Actually, not that many players average 20 in the summer league and certainly not that many bigs. He showed a good range of stuff today, though yeah, he's got some defensive weaknesses.
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Pressey looked decent for the guards. But summer league guards are little more than chucksters taking ill advised shots.
Oly can play but he will have to work on his footspeed as he had six fouls. His shot was amazing.
Yes, he had 6 fouls, but at least two of those were BOGUS!! If I remember correctly, he got called for a charge after he passed the ball. (I have NEVER liked that to be called, whether for us or against us!!!) When he was charged for the block, it was a charge IF his feet were out of the circle. The replay was unclear.
Smitty77
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its scary how similar he is to jajuan johnson in terms of strengths and weaknesses. jajuan may even be better as he was athletic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU29ChYLinc
olynyk? don't see that at all
olynyk = jumpshooting big with weak defense.
jajuan = jump shooting big with weak defense.
olynyk can take it to the hole better, but jajuan was a better dunker.
Oylnyk = HIGH b-ball IQ
Jajuan = rather LOW b-ball IQ
HUGE Difference!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smitty77
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JJJ never really shined in the SL either. KO in his first game played better than JJJ ever did in SL.
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Olynyk =/ JaJuan
I was routing for JaJuan as much as anyone; but they are completely different players. Olynyk is a winner and will do whatever it takes.
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Olynyk has a ton of skills & ability. Still many things to work on, but man, 3 years down the road, can't wait to see his game. It will be completely different than it looks now,yet the great looking shot will still be there. Great pick and nobody can doubt him as the work effort is there for this player to be great.
Melo has improved albeit slightly. Looked more athletic on some rebounds, & his rotations were a bit more fluid. Still a long way ago but again, 3 years from now we might have a decent backup center option who can come in for 10-15 mins, rebound, block shots, play solid D, & give us 4 fouls when needed.
Need to see more of Iverson & his game to comment. Not much run for Colton today.
The horrid play of the guards don't help when evaluating our bigs.
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
Why does it matter if he is white or not?? He has a high b-ball IQ, period. I could care less if he is white or black or purple like Barney. Come on now!!
Secondly, he was doing this vs. Nicholson who many on this board have sung his praises. He had an over 8 Efficiency for the year!!!
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrew_nicholson/index.html?nav=page
Mo Harkless was almost a +10 for the year!!
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/maurice_harkless/index.html?nav=page
Kyle O'Quinn was almost a +7 for the year.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kyle_oquinn/index.html?nav=page
Not to mention the fact that the highly touted #2 pick in the draft played over 33 minutes (granted not matching up with Kelly!)!!
The above three players are ALL established NBA players. I would NOT quantify the above as WEAK COMPETITION!!!!!
Smitty77
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!! Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte. (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))
Smitty77
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KO has a bright upside. , for a 16 round pick. he is not bad at all.
Olynyk was picked 13th. In the first round, no less :)
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Tomorrow should be a fun game. They are playing Detroit. Drummond had 12 points, 16 rebounds, 6 blocks and 5 steals in 25 minutes tonight.
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!! Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte. (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))
Smitty77
Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right. Sully shot like 30%.
In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages. Just sayin.
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I didn't think KO looked soft at all on defense. He played pretty good post defense imo, but when they started attacking him from the perimeter he couldn't stay in front of them. I think he'll be fine adjusting.
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Summer League, that weird space that's not stocked quite as openly disillusioned as the D-League but features a similar skill level.
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!! Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte. (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))
Smitty77
Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right. Sully shot like 30%.
In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages. Just sayin.
Morrison was also a 27yo, three-year NBA veteran, small forward.
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I didn't think KO looked soft at all on defense. He played pretty good post defense imo, but when they started attacking him from the perimeter he couldn't stay in front of them. I think he'll be fine adjusting.
Yep, he has slow feet and needs to play off his man. So did Larry but he got by with anticipation.
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
Can't mention those two names in a thread about Olynyk.
Hahah- I think I have yet to see and Olynyk thread where someone DOESN'T mention Nowitzki. Maybe we could all try to stick to less accomplished soft-white-seven-foot-shooters? You probably have Andrea Bargnani in mind?
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Tomorrow should be a fun game. They are playing Detroit. Drummond had 12 points, 16 rebounds, 6 blocks and 5 steals in 25 minutes tonight.
Agreed. Drummond eviscerated everyone yesterday. If Fab Melo can hold his ground even a little bit, I will stop hating.
He won't, though. I'm afraid that Mr. Drummond is going to filet Fab Melo today. If you thought yesterday was ugly against a Magic team without any 7-footers, whooooboy.
Go get him, Colton.
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
Can't mention those two names in a thread about Olynyk.
Hahah- I think I have yet to see and Olynyk thread where someone DOESN'T mention Nowitzki. Maybe we could all try to stick to less accomplished soft-white-seven-foot-shooters? You probably have Andrea Bargnani in mind?
Sure. Bargnani is longer (Olynyk has a 6'9" wingspan) and more explosive going to the basket, though.
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
Can't mention those two names in a thread about Olynyk.
Hahah- I think I have yet to see and Olynyk thread where someone DOESN'T mention Nowitzki. Maybe we could all try to stick to less accomplished soft-white-seven-foot-shooters? You probably have Andrea Bargnani in mind?
Sure. Bargnani is longer (Olynyk has a 6'9" wingspan) and more explosive going to the basket, though.
I've been saying:
Less physically talented (wingspan and quickness) Bargnani
with an even more unique skillset (having been a PG right until he got into Gonzaga I believe - has legit PG skills some say)
and a far better mindset it seems,
allowing him to be a decent rebounder so far it seems(including the SL)
and have the hope of being a solid defender.
I'd say Olynyk can be a Bargnani that's fulfilled 60, 70, maybe even 80, 85% of his potential instead of being a scrub bum.
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
Can't mention those two names in a thread about Olynyk.
Hahah- I think I have yet to see and Olynyk thread where someone DOESN'T mention Nowitzki. Maybe we could all try to stick to less accomplished soft-white-seven-foot-shooters? You probably have Andrea Bargnani in mind?
Sure. Bargnani is longer (Olynyk has a 6'9" wingspan) and more explosive going to the basket, though.
I've been saying:
Less physically talented (wingspan and quickness) Bargnani
with an even more unique skillset (having been a PG right until he got into Gonzaga I believe - has legit PG skills some say)
and a far better mindset it seems,
allowing him to be a decent rebounder so far it seems(including the SL)
and have the hope of being a solid defender.
I'd say Olynyk can be a Bargnani that's fulfilled 60, 70, maybe even 80, 85% of his potential instead of being a scrub bum.
Yep, I'm with you. Seems like his work ethic will go a long way for him. Interested to see how he develops and learns to utilize his unique skill set.
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its scary how similar he is to jajuan johnson in terms of strengths and weaknesses. jajuan may even be better as he was athletic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU29ChYLinc
olynyk? don't see that at all
olynyk = jumpshooting big with weak defense.
jajuan = jump shooting big with weak defense.
olynyk can take it to the hole better, but jajuan was a better dunker.
JuJuan Johnson was defensive player of the year in the Big 10 the year he was drafted. Your assertion is way off. Sure, he was a physically weak dude. But in college defense and jump shooting were his calling cards.
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... why are you guys comparing JJJ and Olynyk? They aren't even similar players.
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its scary how similar he is to jajuan johnson in terms of strengths and weaknesses. jajuan may even be better as he was athletic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU29ChYLinc
olynyk? don't see that at all
olynyk = jumpshooting big with weak defense.
jajuan = jump shooting big with weak defense.
olynyk can take it to the hole better, but jajuan was a better dunker.
JuJuan Johnson was defensive player of the year in the Big 10 the year he was drafted. Your assertion is way off. Sure, he was a physically weak dude. But in college defense and jump shooting were his calling cards.
3J has so far just been too weak to defend against NBA 4's, however, and not agile enough to adapt out to the 3. KO already has more height, bulk, lower-body and maybe even upper-body strength than 3J. Also, though KO doesn't have especially broad shoulders, he's got far more room for bulk and muscle in there than 3J has. And their BBIQs, apparent work ethic, and leadership don't begin to compare.
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Jjj =29th pick
Oly =13th pick
No comparison. The end. Please fans watch some games with olynyk b4 making out of this world assumptions
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Olynyk reminded me a bit of Motiejunas from last year's summer league.
Looks like Olynyk is a purer long distance jump-shooter though.
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
Can't mention those two names in a thread about Olynyk.
Hahah- I think I have yet to see and Olynyk thread where someone DOESN'T mention Nowitzki. Maybe we could all try to stick to less accomplished soft-white-seven-foot-shooters? You probably have Andrea Bargnani in mind?
How about a 7 foot, lesser-rebounding Ersan Ilyasova?
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Jjj =29th pick
Oly =13th pick
No comparison. The end. Please fans watch some games with olynyk b4 making out of this world assumptions
Because there's such a large volume of them, especially against NBA competition... ::)
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
Can't mention those two names in a thread about Olynyk.
Hahah- I think I have yet to see and Olynyk thread where someone DOESN'T mention Nowitzki. Maybe we could all try to stick to less accomplished soft-white-seven-foot-shooters? You probably have Andrea Bargnani in mind?
KO himself has said that Dirk is a favorite player whose game comes closest to what he's modeled his own after.
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Jjj =29th pick
Oly =13th pick
No comparison. The end. Please fans watch some games with olynyk b4 making out of this world assumptions
Because there's such a large volume of them, especially against NBA competition... ::)
It's irrelevant because they just aren't similar players at all. It's a stretch of a comparison.
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I didn't see the game but all the reports are that KO can at least defend the post. If that holds true, it seems far more likely that he'll bulk up and play the 5 rather than meet Danny's dream of being a stretch 4.
Mike
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My thoughts are Kelly O I think, offensively is NBA ready. Needs to work on defense, but he's smart, with Brad Stevens and analytics and his smarts he can figure out how to defend even though he's slow.
He's very sound offensively, and I want to give credit to who said this (I forgot who you are) but someone said he's so natural, I very much agree. I think a couple of pre season games and he's very well adjusted.
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Every one knew Olynyk could shoot. That's not what people were concerned about. It's that he won't be able to defend and rebound in NBA - he's soft. Soft bigs aren't effective - I find them rather annoying and, objectively, they're shopped around the league throughout their careers.
Pau gasol and Dirk would disagree
Can't mention those two names in a thread about Olynyk.
Hahah- I think I have yet to see and Olynyk thread where someone DOESN'T mention Nowitzki. Maybe we could all try to stick to less accomplished soft-white-seven-foot-shooters? You probably have Andrea Bargnani in mind?
How about a 7 foot, lesser-rebounding Ersan Ilyasova?
I don't think Ilyasova has the guard skills that Olynyk does. They're both stretch 4's but very different.
I still insist Bargnani with his head screwed on right and less talented physically is probably the closest comparison in terms of caliber and style. Even then it's not a completely apt comparison.
Gasol and Nowitzki are comparisons because they are, after all, 7 footers with guard skills and actually actively employ these skills as a major part of their game(so no Anthony Davis).
Kukoc? Depending on how much Olynyk can use his skills in the league, maybe a poor man's Kukoc.
Diaw probably compares nicely because of his weird measurements for a big (being the other way round, undersized with huge wingspan) and his weird amalgamation of skills.
Also, Scola is a likely case scenario - if Olynyk's skills don't transfer.
He's just bizarre with his range, measurements, athleticism (he's quick but he can't jump and isn't laterally quick?), his defense (a subpar defender so far but hustles? What!?).
To quote someone, hopefully Olynyk will be the first Olynyk, as in he makes a name for himself, not the second Nowitzki. Much like Rondo is the first Rondo.
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I didn't see the game but all the reports are that KO can at least defend the post. If that holds true, it seems far more likely that he'll bulk up and play the 5 rather than meet Danny's dream of being a stretch 4.
The pre-draft scouting report says he gets pushed around.
Given how he lacks defensive and rebounding instincts to go with his poor lateral speed, I think it's much more likely that he'll end up at the 4, paired with a strong defensive center.
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I didn't see the game but all the reports are that KO can at least defend the post. If that holds true, it seems far more likely that he'll bulk up and play the 5 rather than meet Danny's dream of being a stretch 4.
The pre-draft scouting report says he gets pushed around.
Given how he lacks defensive and rebounding instincts to go with his poor lateral speed, I think it's much more likely that he'll end up at the 4, paired with a strong defensive center.
David Locke's scouting report says Olynyk has good defensive instincts, though.
Well, to be more exact, it says that Olynyk is a smart defender.
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I didn't see the game but all the reports are that KO can at least defend the post. If that holds true, it seems far more likely that he'll bulk up and play the 5 rather than meet Danny's dream of being a stretch 4.
The pre-draft scouting report says he gets pushed around.
Given how he lacks defensive and rebounding instincts to go with his poor lateral speed, I think it's much more likely that he'll end up at the 4, paired with a strong defensive center.
David Locke's scouting report says Olynyk has good defensive instincts, though.
Well, to be more exact, it says that Olynyk is a smart defender.
The Draft Express report shows multiple instances of poor showing on picks, not being aware of where the open man is going or where the rebound is bouncing to. I just don't anticipate he'll ever have the physical or mental tools to anchor a team's defense from the 5 position -- but maybe I'm wrong.
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I didn't see the game but all the reports are that KO can at least defend the post. If that holds true, it seems far more likely that he'll bulk up and play the 5 rather than meet Danny's dream of being a stretch 4.
The pre-draft scouting report says he gets pushed around.
Given how he lacks defensive and rebounding instincts to go with his poor lateral speed, I think it's much more likely that he'll end up at the 4, paired with a strong defensive center.
David Locke's scouting report says Olynyk has good defensive instincts, though.
Well, to be more exact, it says that Olynyk is a smart defender.
The Draft Express report shows multiple instances of poor showing on picks, not being aware of where the open man is going or where the rebound is bouncing to. I just don't anticipate he'll ever have the physical or mental tools to anchor a team's defense from the 5 position -- but maybe I'm wrong.
That I agree. He probably can't anchor a defense.
But the Locke video showed the exact opposite. A smart defender. What was shown in the video was actually quite impressive. Like Sully, he doesn't have the tools to be a great defender but he looked above average because of his smarts.
If the Locke video is true, he'd be a great small ball 5 with the great added benefit of not being a defensive liability.
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Didn't see this posted yesterday or today, but here are KO highlights from Sunday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ps3RqEE1E0w
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I wish they had some of his passes in there because that's translating even better than I hoped/thought it would.
He had that nice backdoor pass but also some nice lobs over top to Melo who couldn't finish them, but they were there for sure.
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I didn't see the game but all the reports are that KO can at least defend the post. If that holds true, it seems far more likely that he'll bulk up and play the 5 rather than meet Danny's dream of being a stretch 4.
The pre-draft scouting report says he gets pushed around.
Given how he lacks defensive and rebounding instincts to go with his poor lateral speed, I think it's much more likely that he'll end up at the 4, paired with a strong defensive center.
good call. olynyk's best bet is to slim down, not bulk up. add muscle so as to maximize what jumping ability he does possess. for defense, he needs to be paired with a shot blocking center so they can pick up offensive players blowing by olynyk.
who knows? maybe melo and olynyk will be a great team someday. :)
olynyk should come off the bench of a championship team, not start.
but off the bench he will do very well since all the other powerforwards will be bench players and therefore have some sort of flaw or shortcoming. against those match ups olynyk's shooting and passing will excel.
olynyk's flaws - lack of agility, jumping, etc. - won't harm him as much against most bench pf. indeed, give that he is about 2-3 inches taller than most powerforwards, he might be a very serviceable rebounder against other bench players.
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Didn't see this posted yesterday or today, but here are KO highlights from Sunday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ps3RqEE1E0w
geez, i can see why people were excited after the first SL game. olynyk may not be able to jump worth a darn, but he sure can score.
in the video, his first set of moves down low were impressive. he reminded me a bit of mchale. and later on, his hook shot is unstoppable...IF he can make it consistently.
so, after a single SL game are we ready to nominatine olly for the nba hall of fame yet? ;D
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The part of Oly's game that will immediately get better is his rebounding. He doesn't shy away from contact & will learn what it takes to get better at that department. He's not as bad as some on here are making it 1 summer league game in. He'll be able to rebound just fine IMO.
Defense, lateral movement, that will all get better as well once the team D is installed. He'll have a better idea of what he needs to do at that point. For now, its just a pickup game with players using there speed to get by him on the perimeter. That will change come real time & once the work is put in.
Believe me, we have a bball junkie here that will put in the work needed to get better in the spots he needs to improve on.
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I can't wait for Oly to get into a real NBA training regiment. He obviously won't turn into an athletic freak, but he can improve his core strength, lateral movement and vertical with the right kind of work. That'd be scary.
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The part of Oly's game that will immediately get better is his rebounding. He doesn't shy away from contact & will learn what it takes to get better at that department. He's not as bad as some on here are making it 1 summer league game in. He'll be able to rebound just fine IMO.
Defense, lateral movement, that will all get better as well once the team D is installed. He'll have a better idea of what he needs to do at that point. For now, its just a pickup game with players using there speed to get by him on the perimeter. That will change come real time & once the work is put in.
Believe me, we have a bball junkie here that will put in the work needed to get better in the spots he needs to improve on.
Rebounding is the last thing that will get better... if ever. It's about anticipation where the ball is going and quick reaction, and he seems to lack both. For what it's worth, rebounding is typically considered a skill that translates well from college to the pros -- so if he wasn't a good rebounder in college, I don't see how he will miraculously become one in the NBA.
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The part of Oly's game that will immediately get better is his rebounding. He doesn't shy away from contact & will learn what it takes to get better at that department. He's not as bad as some on here are making it 1 summer league game in. He'll be able to rebound just fine IMO.
Defense, lateral movement, that will all get better as well once the team D is installed. He'll have a better idea of what he needs to do at that point. For now, its just a pickup game with players using there speed to get by him on the perimeter. That will change come real time & once the work is put in.
Believe me, we have a bball junkie here that will put in the work needed to get better in the spots he needs to improve on.
Rebounding is the last thing that will get better... if ever. It's about anticipation where the ball is going and quick reaction, and he seems to lack both. For what it's worth, rebounding is typically considered a skill that translates well from college to the pros -- so if he wasn't a good rebounder in college, I don't see how he will miraculously become one in the NBA.
That's just it, he wasn't a poor rebounder in college. I don't know where this speculation comes from, I assume based on his athletic ability. The guy was 7th in his conference with 7 rebounds per, and did it in only 25 minutes per game.
Once the defensive system is installed, he'll know where to be and what his assignment is. His rebounding will be fine once that is set in stone. It wasn't a liability in college and it won't be here.
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That's just it, he wasn't a poor rebounder in college.
He had a 16.5 rebounding percentage as a senior, 15.6 overall for his college career. For comparison, the NCAA leader had 22.5 TRB% last season, and the NBA leader (Asik) -- 22.
So maybe not poor, but decidedly average (given that the average NBA center that plays 20+ minutes rebounds at ~16.5 clip, I'd be happy if Olynyk manages to replicate his college stats with the pros).
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!! Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte. (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))
Smitty77
Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right. Sully shot like 30%.
In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages. Just sayin.
He shot 40% from the floor and 90% at the line and averaged almost a double/double at 11 and 9!!
http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_jared_sullinger/index.html
Smitty77
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!! Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte. (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))
Smitty77
Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right. Sully shot like 30%.
In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages. Just sayin.
He shot 40% from the floor and 90% at the line and averaged almost a double/double at 11 and 9!!
http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_jared_sullinger/index.html
Smitty77
He shot .400 in Orlando, and .300 in Vegas. I don't think averaging 12 and 8 (which is not "almost a double-double") can compensate for his horrific efficiency.
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Olynyk nba rebounding avg will remain about 7 a game. Maybe at his best 8 and some games he gets double digits.
He needs to be paired with a guy who can at least rebound. Like Chandler and Nowitzki combo. And fortunately we got a beast rebounder in Sullinger. Humphries is also competent.
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- olynyk again the mvp of game 2. Only 13 pts and 6 rebounds, but he had three key buckets in the third to propel the celts for the win.
- Pressey full press defense in the 1st was ABesque.
- Iverson looks like a Edited for profanity. Please do not do it again. to play against. Hustle, bumps, bruises, rebounds. Moves really well now vs the clips on youtube. Really like his game
- Another forgettable night for Melo. Just lack of impact and two dunks blocked. At least he drew three charges. It's kind of funny if you think about it
- Celtics played much better vs Det than Orl. Defense was intense
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- olynyk again the mvp of game 2. Only 13 pts and 6 rebounds, but he had three key buckets in the third to propel the celts for the win.
- Pressey full press defense in the 1st was ABesque.
- Iverson looks like a **** to play against. Hustle, bumps, bruises, rebounds. Moves really well now vs the clips on youtube. Really like his game
- Another forgettable night for Melo. Just lack of impact and two dunks blocked. At least he drew three charges. It's kind of funny if you think about it
- Celtics played much better vs Det than Orl. Defense was intense
In fairness to Fab, he barely was out there. I think he only played like 18 minutes or so. 6 pts, 3 rebounds in limited action with a couple block shots, and also took 3 charges.
I thought he did ok for the limited time he was out there.
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Myck Kabongo doesn't seem to know where to be on defense. Lot of athleticism, but not in the right positions.
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!! Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte. (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))
Smitty77
Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right. Sully shot like 30%.
In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages. Just sayin.
He shot 40% from the floor and 90% at the line and averaged almost a double/double at 11 and 9!!
http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_jared_sullinger/index.html
Smitty77
He shot .400 in Orlando, and .300 in Vegas. I don't think averaging 12 and 8 (which is not "almost a double-double") can compensate for his horrific efficiency.
I recall him being overly fatigued during the Summer League last year.
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In fairness to Fab, he barely was out there. I think he only played like 18 minutes or so. 6 pts, 3 rebounds in limited action with a couple block shots, and also took 3 charges.
I thought he did ok for the limited time he was out there.
Iverson was a +29 PER and had 5 boards in 13 minutes. He deserves some PT next game. Melo has improved offensively that is obvious but is still suspect on the boards. Melo was a +3 PER today.
Nice to see some improvement ( on the offensive end) but he is one of the worst seven foot rebounders I have ever seen.
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I'm surprised how fluid KO is. Him being a PG until a HS junior year growth sports explains a lot. The NAB is about either skill or power. Very few bigs have enough size and power, along with some skill, to score consistently. Very few bigs have perimeter skills and great size like KO.
I can see why Ainge traded up for him. With his three point game and driving ability, he's going to be a handful for bigger covers, and he has enough McHale like post moves to punish smaller covers. I look forward to seeing Olynyk against real NAB players.
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In fairness to Fab, he barely was out there. I think he only played like 18 minutes or so. 6 pts, 3 rebounds in limited action with a couple block shots, and also took 3 charges.
I thought he did ok for the limited time he was out there.
Iverson was a +29 PER and had 5 boards in 13 minutes. He deserves some PT next game. Melo has improved offensively that is obvious but is still suspect on the boards. Melo was a +3 PER today.
Nice to see some improvement ( on the offensive end) but he is one of the worst seven foot rebounders I have ever seen.
Raw +/- numbers in a summer league game? That's not a very useful stat.
Like aingeforfree said, he didn't look to bad and filled up on charges and blocks.
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I mean... as soon as I saw the "OMG DANNY IS AN IDIOT FOR DRAFTING OLY" threads, I predicted that by Summerleague half the forum would be comparing him to Dirk. Very predictable. It's easy to get excited when it's a white boy knocking down shots against weak competition. Gotta keep reminding yourself that in Summerleague, players like Joe Forte look like hall of famers. If you're a top pick and you're not dropping 20 a night, that's cause for concern.
But really, he looks good. Seems to have good form. Solid footwork. I had read yesterday a quote that said he was an above-average passer and he seemed to live up to that today. He seems to be able to score in a variety of ways. He handles the ball pretty well.
He's got almost no explosiveness, though and he's not a great rebounder or defender. He'll struggle against quicker/athletic players in the bigs. But he didn't look like a wasted pick this morning. He looked like a lotto talent. It's going to be fun watching him develop.
As someone else mentioned, it is RARE to have big men shine in the summer league games!!! Guards usually shine and that doesn't always translate to the big league as you aptly pointed out with Joe Forte. (Another UNC disappointment:-)))))
Smitty77
Fwiw, Sully kind of stunk in summer league last year so you're probably right. Sully shot like 30%.
In 5 summer league games for the Clippers last year, Adam Morrison averaged 20 points with 55%/61%/80% shooting percentages. Just sayin.
He shot 40% from the floor and 90% at the line and averaged almost a double/double at 11 and 9!!
http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/players/sl_jared_sullinger/index.html
Smitty77
He shot .400 in Orlando, and .300 in Vegas. I don't think averaging 12 and 8 (which is not "almost a double-double") can compensate for his horrific efficiency.
I recall him being overly fatigued during the Summer League last year.
Sully shot .347 in FG% and .773 on FTs in summer league last year. The best he did was in rebounding, at 8.4 per game in about 27 minutes per game.
Olynyk has been rebounding at just about the same rate, with 13 boards in 48 minutes so far, but that's been the least of his contributions, as he's shot .667 so far, including .500 from the 3 (compared to Sully's .166 from the 3) and 1.00 on FTs, and has been passing up a storm. They showed some different strengths and weaknesses on defense.
But I think it's fair to say Olynyk has significantly outpaced Sully's summer league showing last year. (To be fair, Olynyk is two years older than Sully was then.)