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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: syfy9 on June 28, 2013, 09:15:42 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqW5Jb1mvU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keqW5Jb1mvU)
2 words Ainge used very often to describe Olynyk:
Complimentary and Smart.
Very happy with the pick.
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Brad Lohaus 2.0
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Brad Lohaus 2.0
That made me chuckle. TP
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The best forward since Slava Medvedenko.
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"He's not a star...he's like a really good...teammate."
Way to manage expectations, DA.
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Funny, I also thought about Eric montross
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I can just hear Olynyk at his first team practice. Nice shoes Rondo. Love the car Bradley. You are looking slim Sully, you been working out?
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I can just hear Olynyk at his first team practice. Nice shoes Rondo. Love the car Bradley. You are looking slim Sully, you been working out?
Or Danny at the practice. "Enjoy your stay with the Celtics! Do take advantage of your complimentary Olynyk."
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DA talking about him complimenting Rondo, Green, and Sully. So Rondos not getting moved? Or DA just hiding it with his talk?
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DA talking about him complimenting Rondo, Green, and Sully. So Rondos not getting moved? Or DA just hiding it with his talk?
Rondo isnt going anywhere if anything you wait for next years loaded draft and package him then if you want to
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He reminds me of Dirk when he first got in to the league......only I'm pretty sure Kelly is currently a better shooter than Dirk was at that point in his career.
Definitely unlikely he develops in to that caliber of a player, but I think he will be a solid rotational, 10-14 PPG scorer.
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I can just hear Olynyk at his first team practice. Nice shoes Rondo. Love the car Bradley. You are looking slim Sully, you been working out?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha TP! ;D
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I can just hear Olynyk at his first team practice. Nice shoes Rondo. Love the car Bradley. You are looking slim Sully, you been working out?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha TP! ;D
Ha ha--indeed!
Seriously, though, 'complementary' sounds like 'role player' until you hear Danny list his core starters as whom he thinks Olynyk's complementary to. Danny doesn't think he's got himself some mere sixth man here.
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Complimentary? Is that code for extremely limited upside but huge bust potential?
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Warming to the trade. Got an excellent shooter with good post skill and extremely high percentage at the rim. More Dirk Nowitzki than KG; but with Sullinger at center we desperately needed some size at PF. C's have 5 guy's at 6'8-9" and only Randolph or Wilcox at 6'-10-11". Doubtful on Melo.
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Complimentary? Is that code for extremely limited upside but huge bust potential?
Olynyk is probably the safest prospect in this entire draft including the top 5 players.
1. 7ft (with 9ft reach)
2. Ball Handling
3. Passing
4. Shooting(range and accuracy)
5. Post scoring
6. Transition scoring
7. Solid Rebounding
8. Filled out frame (with strong upper and lower body)
9. High IQ (with little propensity for mistakes)
10. College (and professional history with Canadian team)
11. Very solid defensive numbers in college
12. No significant injury history
13. No character issues
14. Father is a coach, Mother a referee
15. Phenomenal hand eye coordination
16. Relentless motor
Still plenty of room for improvement. Played point guard until Junior year in high school (also quarterback in football) Late growth spurt and red shirt year reshaping body from skinny guard to center means he hasn't fully learned how to be a big man. Despite this he was the best big man in college by far.
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reminds me of a little more athletic Brad Miller, with not as much strength....yet
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That story about Olynyk crushing a 3 pt drill for the Jazz reminds me of Keith Van Horn, who had similar workouts in 97. That would be a pretty great ceiling for a #13 pick.
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reminds me of a little more athletic Brad Miller, with not as much strength....yet
Miller could board. I would like Miller.
I would be very happy with a Brad Miller/Mehmet Okur player.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqIfvu79NQ
He looks more fit then I thought.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqIfvu79NQ
He looks more fit then I thought.
He runs up and down the court pretty well for someone his size too.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqIfvu79NQ
He looks more fit then I thought.
He runs up and down the court pretty well for someone his size too.
I noticed that too.
So his bad defense is because of his lack of lateral quickness?
If so perhaps if he bulks up he would just be a bad help defender.
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Complimentary? Is that code for extremely limited upside but huge bust potential?
Olynyk is probably the safest prospect in this entire draft including the top 5 players.
1. 7ft (with 9ft reach)
2. Ball Handling
3. Passing
4. Shooting(range and accuracy)
5. Post scoring
6. Transition scoring
7. Solid Rebounding
8. Filled out frame (with strong upper and lower body)
9. High IQ (with little propensity for mistakes)
10. College (and professional history with Canadian team)
11. Very solid defensive numbers in college
12. No significant injury history
13. No character issues
14. Father is a coach, Mother a referee
15. Phenomenal hand eye coordination
16. Relentless motor
Still plenty of room for improvement. Played point guard until Junior year in high school (also quarterback in football) Late growth spurt and red shirt year reshaping body from skinny guard to center means he hasn't fully learned how to be a big man. Despite this he was the best big man in college by far.
Olynyk is the safest player in a draft where no one could predict the top 10 players because most GMs felt there wasn't anything special about any of the players in the top 10.
To me, that signals that the chances of players taken outside the top 10 of making it in this league are long. So if he is the safest player, to me, that signals that the safest chance for him is that he busts.
Adam Morrison was from Gonzaga too, right? Dan Dickau? Austin Daye? Richie Frahm? They all stunk.
The only good player to ever come out of Gonzaga was John Stockton some 25 years ago.
This kid has Eric Montross, Brad Lohaus, Michael Smith, JaJuan Johnson, Jerome Moiso, and Acie Earl written all over him. Oh and a bunch of Adam Morrison too.
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Complimentary? Is that code for extremely limited upside but huge bust potential?
Olynyk is probably the safest prospect in this entire draft including the top 5 players.
1. 7ft (with 9ft reach)
2. Ball Handling
3. Passing
4. Shooting(range and accuracy)
5. Post scoring
6. Transition scoring
7. Solid Rebounding
8. Filled out frame (with strong upper and lower body)
9. High IQ (with little propensity for mistakes)
10. College (and professional history with Canadian team)
11. Very solid defensive numbers in college
12. No significant injury history
13. No character issues
14. Father is a coach, Mother a referee
15. Phenomenal hand eye coordination
16. Relentless motor
Still plenty of room for improvement. Played point guard until Junior year in high school (also quarterback in football) Late growth spurt and red shirt year reshaping body from skinny guard to center means he hasn't fully learned how to be a big man. Despite this he was the best big man in college by far.
Olynyk is the safest player in a draft where no one could predict the top 10 players because most GMs felt there wasn't anything special about any of the players in the top 10.
To me, that signals that the chances of players taken outside the top 10 of making it in this league are long. So if he is the safest player, to me, that signals that the safest chance for him is that he busts.
Adam Morrison was from Gonzaga too, right? Dan Dickau? Austin Daye? Richie Frahm? They all stunk.
The only good player to ever come out of Gonzaga was John Stockton some 25 years ago.
This kid has Eric Montross, Brad Lohaus, Michael Smith, JaJuan Johnson, Jerome Moiso, and Acie Earl written all over him. Oh and a bunch of Adam Morrison too.
Hope I am dead wrong, but have to +1 this. Gonzaga plays in a really weak conference. Wonder how he faired against stronger teams and better players?
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Can't defend any worse than AJefferson, better hands/instinct than Perk, and won't have as much trouble finishing around the basket as Sully.
Finally a big that has length, can catch, shoot and finish.....not named Garnett. I say give the kid Bass minutes and lets see what we have.
I am ok with Kelly O
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Kelly played against 3 top 25 teams last year.
Against #13 Illinois: 16 pts./ 8 rebs./ 1 block/ and 1 steal on 7-9 shooting
Against #22 Oklahoma State: 21 pts./ 9 rebs/1 assist on 7-12 shooting
Against #13 Butler: 14 points/ 7 rebs./ 2 assists/ 1 block/ 2 steals/ on 5-12 shooting. (Did shoot 4-5 at the FT line.)
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So his bad defense is because of his lack of lateral quickness?
If so perhaps if he bulks up he would just be a bad help defender.
Poor lateral quickness + poor anticipation + somewhat suspect effort. He doesn't seem to show up hard on pick and rolls, and generally doesn't seem to display good court awareness with respect to where the open man is going, or where the ball is going to bounce off the rim.
Of course, that's just from watching the scouting video -- and also may be explained in part by the fact that he hast played big for that long.
But regardless, I don't see him as a center. Lacks the mindset.
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I think an Olynyk-Sullinger frontcourt is going to work really well. Give them both a ton of minutes with Jeff Green at the 3, and ship Bass out of town somehow. Let the kids develop while we move towards the 2014 lottery.
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Complimentary? Is that code for extremely limited upside but huge bust potential?
Olynyk is probably the safest prospect in this entire draft including the top 5 players.
1. 7ft (with 9ft reach)
2. Ball Handling
3. Passing
4. Shooting(range and accuracy)
5. Post scoring
6. Transition scoring
7. Solid Rebounding
8. Filled out frame (with strong upper and lower body)
9. High IQ (with little propensity for mistakes)
10. College (and professional history with Canadian team)
11. Very solid defensive numbers in college
12. No significant injury history
13. No character issues
14. Father is a coach, Mother a referee
15. Phenomenal hand eye coordination
16. Relentless motor
Still plenty of room for improvement. Played point guard until Junior year in high school (also quarterback in football) Late growth spurt and red shirt year reshaping body from skinny guard to center means he hasn't fully learned how to be a big man. Despite this he was the best big man in college by far.
Olynyk is the safest player in a draft where no one could predict the top 10 players because most GMs felt there wasn't anything special about any of the players in the top 10.
To me, that signals that the chances of players taken outside the top 10 of making it in this league are long. So if he is the safest player, to me, that signals that the safest chance for him is that he busts.
Adam Morrison was from Gonzaga too, right? Dan Dickau? Austin Daye? Richie Frahm? They all stunk.
The only good player to ever come out of Gonzaga was John Stockton some 25 years ago.
This kid has Eric Montross, Brad Lohaus, Michael Smith, JaJuan Johnson, Jerome Moiso, and Acie Earl written all over him. Oh and a bunch of Adam Morrison too.
Oh for pete's sake. There's NO reason to think Olynyk is going to be Acie Earl or Adam Morrison or Jerome Moiso or JuJuan Johnson. As for Montross, he spent 8 years in the league and averaged 10 pts a game his rookie season and 9 rebounds a game his 4th year in the league. Lohaus spent 11 years in the NBA and twice averaged more than 9 points a game for a season. Smith spent 9 years in the league and averaged 7 boards a game for his career.
If Olynyk can be as good as Montross, Lohaus or Smith and all Ainge had to give up for him was a non-lottery pick in a bad draft and two 2nd round picks in a great draft where Boston already has two 1st rounders? What is there to complain about?
Mike
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7. Solid Rebounding
7 RPG from a seven footer in college is solid. What planet are you from?
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What is there to complain about?
Mike
I think you should probably ask that question in about three years when you are complaining we moved up to get Olynyk when _________ and _________were still on the board. Because in 2-3 years, the same people liking this pick are going to be pulling those complaints out because Ainge missed on some guys and chose the stiff from Gonzaga instead.
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I'm actually very happy with this pick now. Reading behind the lines, I think the Olynyk pick gives away Ainge's vision for the team right now.
Note how Ainge stresses multiple times than Olynyk is a COMPLEMENTARY player. He says he likes athletic guys, and guys with high potential, but in the end he liked Olynyk because he's NBA-READY.
Look at Ainge's draft history. There's no doubt that if he can gamble on an athletic guy with lots of potential, he will. Honestly, most of Ainge's busts fit that mold exactly. It's very telling to me that instead of getting someone like Shabazz or Giannis, he goes out and gets Olynyk, even MOVING UP so that he could acquire him.
Ainge is collecting assets, but he's not looking to compete again in 5 years or so. He's looking to get right back into the mix now. All those assets are going to come into play so we can make the next KG/Allen trade. For everybody who loves draft picks because they net teams very affordable contributors on the rookie deal, Olynyk is that guy.
It might not be this very next year, but the C's are rolling out a contender soon. Ainge is going to bring in solid guys via trade and free agency, and Olynyk will be right there to COMPLEMENT them because he's NBA-READY.
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Brad Lohaus 2.0 is what he is!!! Be another bust and gone in 4 years
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7. Solid Rebounding
7 RPG from a seven footer in college is solid. What planet are you from?
The planet where one checks rebounding percentage and rebounds per min instead of superficial glance at raw per game numbers. What about you?
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Still shaking my head on this pick :-[...hope he proves me wrong but highly doubt it
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Brad Lohaus 2.0 is what he is!!! Be another bust and gone in 4 years
He's certainly not the athlete Lohaus was.
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To me, Keith Van Horn seems like the best comparison, which is actually a good player to have. Not a star, not the top scorer on your team, but he will help.
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Not liking the track record of most guys drafted out of Gonzaga. Just saying.
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Complimentary? Is that code for extremely limited upside but huge bust potential?
Olynyk is probably the safest prospect in this entire draft including the top 5 players.
1. 7ft (with 9ft reach)
2. Ball Handling
3. Passing
4. Shooting(range and accuracy)
5. Post scoring
6. Transition scoring
7. Solid Rebounding
8. Filled out frame (with strong upper and lower body)
9. High IQ (with little propensity for mistakes)
10. College (and professional history with Canadian team)
11. Very solid defensive numbers in college
12. No significant injury history
13. No character issues
14. Father is a coach, Mother a referee
15. Phenomenal hand eye coordination
16. Relentless motor
Still plenty of room for improvement. Played point guard until Junior year in high school (also quarterback in football) Late growth spurt and red shirt year reshaping body from skinny guard to center means he hasn't fully learned how to be a big man. Despite this he was the best big man in college by far.
Olynyk is the safest player in a draft where no one could predict the top 10 players because most GMs felt there wasn't anything special about any of the players in the top 10.
To me, that signals that the chances of players taken outside the top 10 of making it in this league are long. So if he is the safest player, to me, that signals that the safest chance for him is that he busts.
Adam Morrison was from Gonzaga too, right? Dan Dickau? Austin Daye? Richie Frahm? They all stunk.
The only good player to ever come out of Gonzaga was John Stockton some 25 years ago.
This kid has Eric Montross, Brad Lohaus, Michael Smith, JaJuan Johnson, Jerome Moiso, and Acie Earl written all over him. Oh and a bunch of Adam Morrison too.
Why not let him play a game or at least go to a practice first? I mean really.
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I just wonder whether we thought that Milwaukee wanted him that badly at 15 (because he sure doesn't seem to address a need with the Timberwolves). Giving up two picks that may end up in the 30s next year seems a bit steep.
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I am rooting for the kid, Yogi, now he is with us. He is not a good rebounder.
The planet where one checks rebounding percentage and rebounds per min instead of superficial glance at raw per game numbers. What about you?
Well let's look at the numbers you claim he is so good at:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/rebounds_avg
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/gonzaga/kelly-olynyk?season=2012-2013
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kelly-olynyk-1.html#all_leaderboard
147Th in RPG
157th in Off Reb PCT
195Th in Def Reb PCT
His PER is astounding but his Rebounding is mediocre at best.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/rebounds_offensive_pct?games=1&conf=&season=2012-2013&min=
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/rebounds_defensive_pct?season=2012-2013
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/rebounds_total?season=2012-2013
Looks like the stats you claim to read, you didn't read or maybe they don't have them on your planet :-*.
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Complimentary? Is that code for extremely limited upside but huge bust potential?
Olynyk is probably the safest prospect in this entire draft including the top 5 players.
1. 7ft (with 9ft reach)
2. Ball Handling
3. Passing
4. Shooting(range and accuracy)
5. Post scoring
6. Transition scoring
7. Solid Rebounding
8. Filled out frame (with strong upper and lower body)
9. High IQ (with little propensity for mistakes)
10. College (and professional history with Canadian team)
11. Very solid defensive numbers in college
12. No significant injury history
13. No character issues
14. Father is a coach, Mother a referee
15. Phenomenal hand eye coordination
16. Relentless motor
Still plenty of room for improvement. Played point guard until Junior year in high school (also quarterback in football) Late growth spurt and red shirt year reshaping body from skinny guard to center means he hasn't fully learned how to be a big man. Despite this he was the best big man in college by far.
Olynyk is the safest player in a draft where no one could predict the top 10 players because most GMs felt there wasn't anything special about any of the players in the top 10.
To me, that signals that the chances of players taken outside the top 10 of making it in this league are long. So if he is the safest player, to me, that signals that the safest chance for him is that he busts.
Adam Morrison was from Gonzaga too, right? Dan Dickau? Austin Daye? Richie Frahm? They all stunk.
The only good player to ever come out of Gonzaga was John Stockton some 25 years ago.
This kid has Eric Montross, Brad Lohaus, Michael Smith, JaJuan Johnson, Jerome Moiso, and Acie Earl written all over him. Oh and a bunch of Adam Morrison too.
Why not let him play a game or at least go to a practice first? I mean really.
I am sorry, am I not allowed an opinion on the guy after watching him many times this year, seeing his combine results and seeing a bunch of you-tubes on him? It seems a lot of posters have done even less than that but have come to the conclusion that Olynyk will be good and I don't see you complaining to those people about letting him play a game first.
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I just wonder whether we thought that Milwaukee wanted him that badly at 15 (because he sure doesn't seem to address a need with the Timberwolves). Giving up two picks that may end up in the 30s next year seems a bit steep.
There are established reports that the Jazz were going to take him. They were really high on hm and thought he would complement Favors and Kanter very well. He supposedly hit the second most three pointers out of anyone in their workout drills.
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I just wonder whether we thought that Milwaukee wanted him that badly at 15 (because he sure doesn't seem to address a need with the Timberwolves). Giving up two picks that may end up in the 30s next year seems a bit steep.
There are established reports that the Jazz were going to take him. They were really high on hm and thought he would complement Favors and Kanter very well. He supposedly hit the second most three pointers out of anyone in their workout drills.
The Jazz had interest, but wouldn't have taken him at #14 regardless. Keep in mind they traded for Burke.
I agree with kozlodoev. There was absolutely no need to trade up for Olynyk. We effectively lost two second rounders for the privilege of paying Olynyk a bit more. I don't get that.
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I just wonder whether we thought that Milwaukee wanted him that badly at 15 (because he sure doesn't seem to address a need with the Timberwolves). Giving up two picks that may end up in the 30s next year seems a bit steep.
The Jazz had interest, but wouldn't have taken him at #14 regardless. Keep in mind they traded for Burke.
I agree with kozlodoev. There was absolutely no need to trade up for Olynyk. We effectively lost two second rounders for the privilege of paying Olynyk a bit more. I don't get that.
There are established reports that the Jazz were going to take him. They were really high on hm and thought he would complement Favors and Kanter very well. He supposedly hit the second most three pointers out of anyone in their workout drills.
They absolutely were going to take him at 14. There is another thread here with a link to an interview from a Jazz reporter who says they panicked when we moved up and grabbed Olynyk, which is why they traded for Burke.
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They absolutely were going to take him at 14. There is another thread here with a link to an interview from a Jazz reporter who says they panicked when we moved up and grabbed Olynyk, which is why they traded for Burke.
What link is this? I do not buy that at all. Reports that Burke was traded to Utah happened immediately after he was taken, no later than the 10th pick. Olynyk was taken at #13.
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Come on fellas. Let's be honest. If at the 13th spot you could get a 7 footer who had the ability to shoot and dribble and pass the way this kid can, had a high motor and wanted to get better, that wasn't WHITE everyone would be naming this the steal of the draft. Look at almost every comparison on here is to another white player. The kid can play. Who knows what he will turn into, but he wasn't selected in the top 5 picks and so even if all he ever turns into is a complementary player it isn't a bad pick. You'd think we could move past the "white player" labels and comparisons though. He is what he is. A 7 footer who will play the wing. I'll take a kid with legitimate skills and desire at the 13 spot any day. No matter what color he is.
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I am rooting for the kid, Yogi, now he is with us. He is not a good rebounder.
The planet where one checks rebounding percentage and rebounds per min instead of superficial glance at raw per game numbers. What about you?
Well let's look at the numbers you claim he is so good at:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/rebounds_avg
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/gonzaga/kelly-olynyk?season=2012-2013
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kelly-olynyk-1.html#all_leaderboard
147Th in RPG
157th in Off Reb PCT
195Th in Def Reb PCT
His PER is astounding but his Rebounding is mediocre at best.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/rebounds_offensive_pct?games=1&conf=&season=2012-2013&min=
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/rebounds_defensive_pct?season=2012-2013
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/stats/rebounds_total?season=2012-2013
Looks like the stats you claim to read, you didn't read or maybe they don't have them on your planet :-*.
I claimed his rebounding is solid.
11.8% Off. 20.5% Def. 16.5% overall is solid rebounding.
9.95 rebounds per 36 min is solid rebounding.
These numbers are from sports-reference.com. His rebounding numbers are basically identical to Alex Len and Anthony Bennett and very slightly worse than Nerlens Noel. Anymore theories?
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They absolutely were going to take him at 14. There is another thread here with a link to an interview from a Jazz reporter who says they panicked when we moved up and grabbed Olynyk, which is why they traded for Burke.
What link is this? I do not buy that at all. Reports that Burke was traded to Utah happened immediately after he was taken, no later than the 10th pick. Olynyk was taken at #13.
here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZhfjHTzf5eM
listen from 7:09 onward and make your own decision
It's from Jazz reporter David Locke's website, pretty legit.
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Come on fellas. Let's be honest. If at the 13th spot you could get a 7 footer who had the ability to shoot and dribble and pass the way this kid can, had a high motor and wanted to get better, that wasn't WHITE everyone would be naming this the steal of the draft. Look at almost every comparison on here is to another white player. The kid can play. Who knows what he will turn into, but he wasn't selected in the top 5 picks and so even if all he ever turns into is a complementary player it isn't a bad pick. You'd think we could move past the "white player" labels and comparisons though. He is what he is. A 7 footer who will play the wing. I'll take a kid with legitimate skills and desire at the 13 spot any day. No matter what color he is.
I compared him to non-white players too. ;D
To me, a bust is a bust, whether white or black or Chinese or Brazilian or.....
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here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZhfjHTzf5eM
listen from 7:09 onward and make your own decision
It's from Jazz reporter David Locke's website, pretty legit.
Fascinating find, thanks for it. I still question the validity of Locke's statements though. He may have been misinformed, or some other forum of miscommunication occurred.
I don't understand why they'd panic unless Minnesota wanted Olynyk, because Utah was already done drafting once they traded for Burke BEFORE Olynyk was selected.
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here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZhfjHTzf5eM
listen from 7:09 onward and make your own decision
It's from Jazz reporter David Locke's website, pretty legit.
Fascinating find, thanks for it. I still question the validity of Locke's statements though. He may have been misinformed, or some other forum of miscommunication occurred.
I don't understand why they'd panic unless Minnesota wanted Olynyk, because Utah was already done drafting once they traded for Burke BEFORE Olynyk was selected.
Maybe you're right, but from the sound of things, the Jazz heard that the celtics were trading up to take Olynyk well before the Mavs pick, and likely before the Burke trade went down. Teams hear about this stuff long before the media here's about it.
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Come on fellas. Let's be honest. If at the 13th spot you could get a 7 footer who had the ability to shoot and dribble and pass the way this kid can, had a high motor and wanted to get better, that wasn't WHITE everyone would be naming this the steal of the draft. Look at almost every comparison on here is to another white player. The kid can play. Who knows what he will turn into, but he wasn't selected in the top 5 picks and so even if all he ever turns into is a complementary player it isn't a bad pick. You'd think we could move past the "white player" labels and comparisons though. He is what he is. A 7 footer who will play the wing. I'll take a kid with legitimate skills and desire at the 13 spot any day. No matter what color he is.
I compared him to non-white players too. ;D
To me, a bust is a bust, whether white or black or Chinese or Brazilian or.....
I said most comparisons, however I do think that if he weren't white you wouldn't be pre-labeling the guy a bust. A 7 footer usually is either a huge slow guy who really is just big versus athletic (like Colton Iverson) or an athletic thin kid. I see a kid who wants it, and at the very least you have a good offensive player who tries hard on defense.
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They absolutely were going to take him at 14. There is another thread here with a link to an interview from a Jazz reporter who says they panicked when we moved up and grabbed Olynyk, which is why they traded for Burke.
What link is this? I do not buy that at all. Reports that Burke was traded to Utah happened immediately after he was taken, no later than the 10th pick. Olynyk was taken at #13.
Teams do and hear about trades way before we do. If the C's thought that the Jazz were going to take him early enough in the day. Then they call up Dallas get them to do it, and some one leaks it out. This could happen before the draft even starts. We just hear about it when the floor people get word.
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Come on fellas. Let's be honest. If at the 13th spot you could get a 7 footer who had the ability to shoot and dribble and pass the way this kid can, had a high motor and wanted to get better, that wasn't WHITE everyone would be naming this the steal of the draft. Look at almost every comparison on here is to another white player. The kid can play. Who knows what he will turn into, but he wasn't selected in the top 5 picks and so even if all he ever turns into is a complementary player it isn't a bad pick. You'd think we could move past the "white player" labels and comparisons though. He is what he is. A 7 footer who will play the wing. I'll take a kid with legitimate skills and desire at the 13 spot any day. No matter what color he is.
I compared him to non-white players too. ;D
To me, a bust is a bust, whether white or black or Chinese or Brazilian or.....
I said most comparisons, however I do think that if he weren't white you wouldn't be pre-labeling the guy a bust. A 7 footer usually is either a huge slow guy who really is just big versus athletic (like Colton Iverson) or an athletic thin kid. I see a kid who wants it, and at the very least you have a good offensive player who tries hard on defense.
So if they had gone with Lucas Nogueira instead and I said he was going to be a bust(which I do think he will), like I said Melo would be a bust last year(I did), would that make you think maybe I'm not looking at the color of his skin but more the game he plays and his physical limitations and his lack of down low toughness?
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here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZhfjHTzf5eM
listen from 7:09 onward and make your own decision
It's from Jazz reporter David Locke's website, pretty legit.
Fascinating find, thanks for it. I still question the validity of Locke's statements though. He may have been misinformed, or some other forum of miscommunication occurred.
I don't understand why they'd panic unless Minnesota wanted Olynyk, because Utah was already done drafting once they traded for Burke BEFORE Olynyk was selected.
You may have missed the part where Locke speculated that Utah found out that Boston traded up to get Olynyk about an hour before the draft.
For those who don't want to sit through the video, here is the guy's theory.
The Jazz really loved Trey Burke and Cody Zeller. Minnesota had a guarantee for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope at #9, but he went #8. Utah gets on the phone.
Utah was panicking because they loved Olynyk, who absolutely killed it in a three-point shooting drill, with 63 out of 100 threes in various conditions being the second-best they had. Olynyk said no team before that workout had made him shoot threes, but his next stop was Boston.
The Jazz reportedly went into panic mode about an hour before the draft. Locke knows that they found out something and speculates that it was news that Boston had made a deal to move up to take Olynyk.
The Jazz were interested in Burke, Zeller, Olynyk, Michael Carter-Williams, CJ McCollum, Rudy Gobert, and Shane Larkin.
With news of the Jrue Holiday, it meant that a bunch of guys they thought would be there weren't going to be there.
What I think this does is kill the idea that the Celtics did not have to trade up to get Olynyk. People can still complain that Olynyk isn't worth it (we'll see if they are right once he plays), but Ainge did not unnecessarily throw away two picks to move up a few spots if he was locked in on Olynyk.
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Come on fellas. Let's be honest. If at the 13th spot you could get a 7 footer who had the ability to shoot and dribble and pass the way this kid can, had a high motor and wanted to get better, that wasn't WHITE everyone would be naming this the steal of the draft. Look at almost every comparison on here is to another white player. The kid can play. Who knows what he will turn into, but he wasn't selected in the top 5 picks and so even if all he ever turns into is a complementary player it isn't a bad pick. You'd think we could move past the "white player" labels and comparisons though. He is what he is. A 7 footer who will play the wing. I'll take a kid with legitimate skills and desire at the 13 spot any day. No matter what color he is.
I compared him to non-white players too. ;D
To me, a bust is a bust, whether white or black or Chinese or Brazilian or.....
I said most comparisons, however I do think that if he weren't white you wouldn't be pre-labeling the guy a bust. A 7 footer usually is either a huge slow guy who really is just big versus athletic (like Colton Iverson) or an athletic thin kid. I see a kid who wants it, and at the very least you have a good offensive player who tries hard on defense.
So if they had gone with Lucas Nogueira instead and I said he was going to be a bust(which I do think he will), like I said Melo would be a bust last year(I did), would that make you think maybe I'm not looking at the color of his skin but more the game he plays and his physical limitations and his lack of down low toughness?
I was working during the draft and took a quick look at the draft board to see that we had drafted Nogueira. I was sooo disappointed. He will be a bust. When I saw later that we traded for Olynyk, I was very pleased. Nothing to do with skin color either way. Olynyk is skilled and knows how to play, and can score. We already have a project defensive oriented big man who doesn't know the game in Melo. We didn't need another one. We also have a major lack of scorers/shooters. Olynyk helps.
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Maybe you're right, but from the sound of things, the Jazz heard that the celtics were trading up to take Olynyk well before the Mavs pick, and likely before the Burke trade went down. Teams hear about this stuff long before the media here's about it.
Yeah, I guess that's the best explanation. We probably hear a mere fraction of what truly goes on behind the scenes, and this was probably a case where one thing that happens first didn't break until something that occurred after already did.
I'm actually very happy with this pick now. Reading behind the lines, I think the Olynyk pick gives away Ainge's vision for the team right now.
Note how Ainge stresses multiple times than Olynyk is a COMPLEMENTARY player. He says he likes athletic guys, and guys with high potential, but in the end he liked Olynyk because he's NBA-READY.
Look at Ainge's draft history. There's no doubt that if he can gamble on an athletic guy with lots of potential, he will. Honestly, most of Ainge's busts fit that mold exactly. It's very telling to me that instead of getting someone like Shabazz or Giannis, he goes out and gets Olynyk, even MOVING UP so that he could acquire him.
Ainge is collecting assets, but he's not looking to compete again in 5 years or so. He's looking to get right back into the mix now. All those assets are going to come into play so we can make the next KG/Allen trade. For everybody who loves draft picks because they net teams very affordable contributors on the rookie deal, Olynyk is that guy.
It might not be this very next year, but the C's are rolling out a contender soon. Ainge is going to bring in solid guys via trade and free agency, and Olynyk will be right there to COMPLEMENT them because he's NBA-READY.
No one else has thoughts on this?
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I'm actually very happy with this pick now. Reading behind the lines, I think the Olynyk pick gives away Ainge's vision for the team right now.
Note how Ainge stresses multiple times than Olynyk is a COMPLEMENTARY player. He says he likes athletic guys, and guys with high potential, but in the end he liked Olynyk because he's NBA-READY.
Look at Ainge's draft history. There's no doubt that if he can gamble on an athletic guy with lots of potential, he will. Honestly, most of Ainge's busts fit that mold exactly. It's very telling to me that instead of getting someone like Shabazz or Giannis, he goes out and gets Olynyk, even MOVING UP so that he could acquire him.
Ainge is collecting assets, but he's not looking to compete again in 5 years or so. He's looking to get right back into the mix now. All those assets are going to come into play so we can make the next KG/Allen trade. For everybody who loves draft picks because they net teams very affordable contributors on the rookie deal, Olynyk is that guy.
It might not be this very next year, but the C's are rolling out a contender soon. Ainge is going to bring in solid guys via trade and free agency, and Olynyk will be right there to COMPLEMENT them because he's NBA-READY.
No one else has thoughts on this?
One report was that executives around the league thought that the Olynyk pick was a signal that Ainge was committed to Rondo.
Olynyk has the potential to be the kind of stretch four who I think fits well with Rondo. He still seems to be learning how to play like a big man. Give him a good big man coach and I think he might be a guy who will be fundamentally sound at things like boxing out, but still be a mediocre rebounder.
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I like that none of the comparisons I've seen on this kid really seem to fit. The Klynyk is a unique player. I'm starting to get excited about seeing him in Celtics green.
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I like that none of the comparisons I've seen on this kid really seem to fit. The Klynyk is a unique player. I'm starting to get excited about seeing him in Celtics green.
If he turns into Channing Frye/Ryan Anderson type of role player, I will be very happy and very surprised. Just don't know if he has that in him but my guess is this is what Danny envisions given his use of the word complimentary in describing the kid.
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I like that none of the comparisons I've seen on this kid really seem to fit. The Klynyk is a unique player. I'm starting to get excited about seeing him in Celtics green.
If he turns into Channing Frye/Ryan Anderson type of role player, I will be very happy and very surprised. Just don't know if he has that in him but my guess is this is what Danny envisions given his use of the word complimentary in describing the kid.
That's not what I see from him. He doesn't look like that type of strictly spot up shooter to me. I guess we'll see if his offensive versatility translates to the NBA. He's got limited athleticism and explosiveness, so the kind of moves he got away with in the Pacific Conference may be made to look foolish in the NBA.
On the other hand, there's more space to operate in the NBA, and I think he might have some stuff that ends up looking pretty genius. It depends on if he's smart enough and tough enough to find ways to use his skills against superior athletes.
I'm kind of starting to like his chances. It's funny how my evaluation of Kelly Olynyk went up quite a lot after draft night.
Green goggles? Yeah, I wear 'em.
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Scola with range.
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Channing Frye took 23 three-point attempts in college. Brad Miller took 26. Both guys didn't take a lot of threes their first few years in the league. One report is that teams having Olynyk work out were not testing his three-point shooting ability.
Maybe Olynyk's upside is Andrea Bargnani with adequate defense and mediocre rather than historically bad rebounding.
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With all these reports of his 3pt shooting, maybe we will get extremely lucky and he will be the white Antoine Walker!
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If he could be like brad miller and get like 15 pts and 7-10 rbs I would be very happy
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Realistically I think we're looking at 12 points and 5 rebounds.
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Realistically I think we're looking at 12 points and 5 rebounds.
How many minutes and how efficient will he be.
Because that's not a bad stat line if he plays 20-22 minutes and shoots 50% per game.
Anything more than that, and still being efficient will be cherry on top.
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Glad to see that the Jazz liked Olynyk. 63/100 three pointers is pretty crazy range for a PF/C prospect. Stretch 4 indeed. :)
They absolutely were going to take him at 14. There is another thread here with a link to an interview from a Jazz reporter who says they panicked when we moved up and grabbed Olynyk, which is why they traded for Burke.
What link is this? I do not buy that at all. Reports that Burke was traded to Utah happened immediately after he was taken, no later than the 10th pick. Olynyk was taken at #13.
here's the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZhfjHTzf5eM
listen from 7:09 onward and make your own decision
It's from Jazz reporter David Locke's website, pretty legit.