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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: tarheelsxxiii on June 28, 2013, 08:01:00 PM
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
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NBA wont let us have the #1 pick anyways if we did have the worst record
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So I take it your a glass half empty kind of guy...
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I'm not too sure about us going for Wiggins or even Parker. I think we are tanking but the draft is one of many strategies. Remember 2007, I bet Danny does. Tanked and got the #4 pick. I think drafting them is just one option. If we do not, I think we might try to flip that pick into a trade
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
If DA's plan A is tank for wiggins, then he should be fired. If fans think that plan A is tank for wiggins, then they should be fired too.
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
...define literally. Because I'm pretty sure that if we tank, we aren't making the playoffs no matter what.
Julius Randle, Marcus Smart, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, and Aaron Gordon. You haven't heard of a single one of these players?
Randle, Gordon, and Smart are all higher than Parker in the Draft Express 2014 mock draft.
Marcus Smart was #2 overall in most NBA mock drafts before going back to school.
The Harrison twins are 6'5 and one plays PG.
Draft Express analysis for Andrew Harrison:Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college.
I'm fine with any of these other players too.
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
If DA's plan A is tank for wiggins, then he should be fired. If fans think that plan A is tank for wiggins, then they should be fired too.
Thank you... The fact that people think we're truly tanking for the #1 pick is ridiculous. Terrible waste of a year since it's a lottery. Our 24 win team was the 5th pick for example in 2007... And people thought we'd get a top 2 pick.
It's not worth it. DA wants picks and assets and wanted something back for our aging superstars that he can use in future deals. That's it. If we're bad enough for a top pick fine. But it's not DA or any good GM's plan A.
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We are due a break and Stern might be gone by this one, so no more practice draws until another team wins.
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
If DA's plan A is tank for wiggins, then he should be fired. If fans think that plan A is tank for wiggins, then they should be fired too.
Plan A isn't tank for wiggins. It's just tank. "Tanking for Wiggins" implies that there is only one successful outcome.
Honestly, the consolation prizes are really good. If they let high school players into the draft, and only these guys declared, there's a very strong chance that one of them would be drafted first overall.
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
...define literally. Because I'm pretty sure that if we tank, we aren't making the playoffs no matter what.
Julius Randle, Marcus Smart, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, and Aaron Gordon. You haven't heard of a single one of these players?
Randle, Gordon, and Smart are all higher than Parker in the Draft Express 2014 mock draft.
Marcus Smart was #2 overall in most NBA mock drafts before going back to school.
The Harrison twins are 6'5 and one plays PG.
Draft Express analysis for Andrew Harrison:Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college.
I'm fine with any of these other players too.
Does that mean he could be as good as Victor Oladipo.
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
...define literally. Because I'm pretty sure that if we tank, we aren't making the playoffs no matter what.
Julius Randle, Marcus Smart, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, and Aaron Gordon. You haven't heard of a single one of these players?
Randle, Gordon, and Smart are all higher than Parker in the Draft Express 2014 mock draft.
Marcus Smart was #2 overall in most NBA mock drafts before going back to school.
The Harrison twins are 6'5 and one plays PG.
Draft Express analysis for Andrew Harrison:Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college.
I'm fine with any of these other players too.
Wow!
A 6'5" PG. He might be the next Michael Carter-Williams.
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
...define literally. Because I'm pretty sure that if we tank, we aren't making the playoffs no matter what.
Julius Randle, Marcus Smart, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, and Aaron Gordon. You haven't heard of a single one of these players?
Randle, Gordon, and Smart are all higher than Parker in the Draft Express 2014 mock draft.
Marcus Smart was #2 overall in most NBA mock drafts before going back to school.
The Harrison twins are 6'5 and one plays PG.
Draft Express analysis for Andrew Harrison:Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college.
I'm fine with any of these other players too.
Does that mean he could be as good as Victor Oladipo.
Well Noel was ahead of him, and seeing as how Noel slipped, there is a strong case that he'd be #1 overall on a lot of drafts (circumstantially).
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We're not gonna make the playoffs
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
...define literally. Because I'm pretty sure that if we tank, we aren't making the playoffs no matter what.
Julius Randle, Marcus Smart, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, and Aaron Gordon. You haven't heard of a single one of these players?
Randle, Gordon, and Smart are all higher than Parker in the Draft Express 2014 mock draft.
Marcus Smart was #2 overall in most NBA mock drafts before going back to school.
The Harrison twins are 6'5 and one plays PG.
Draft Express analysis for Andrew Harrison:Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college.
I'm fine with any of these other players too.
Wow!
A 6'5" PG. He might be the next Michael Carter-Williams.
Just like how Anthony Bennett is the next Lebron because he is around the same height, weight, and plays the same position as him, right?!?!?!
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
...define literally. Because I'm pretty sure that if we tank, we aren't making the playoffs no matter what.
Julius Randle, Marcus Smart, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, and Aaron Gordon. You haven't heard of a single one of these players?
Randle, Gordon, and Smart are all higher than Parker in the Draft Express 2014 mock draft.
Marcus Smart was #2 overall in most NBA mock drafts before going back to school.
The Harrison twins are 6'5 and one plays PG.
Draft Express analysis for Andrew Harrison:Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college.
I'm fine with any of these other players too.
Draft Express didn't exactly light up the top 10 in this years draft predicting who would get picked when. And that's with a mock draft put out a day or days ahead of the draft. Their look at the draft at this time last year had Shabazz Mohammed and Marcus Smart as top picks and Victor Oladipo and Anthony Bennett and Alex Len were no where bear the top 10.
I am not sure putting Draft Express' opinion of who is going to end up where an entire year ahead of time really does anything except make you look like you're not paying attention. Things change. Some of these kids may not come out. They may have bad years and drop. There could be injuries that cause players to drop.
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
...define literally. Because I'm pretty sure that if we tank, we aren't making the playoffs no matter what.
Julius Randle, Marcus Smart, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, and Aaron Gordon. You haven't heard of a single one of these players?
Randle, Gordon, and Smart are all higher than Parker in the Draft Express 2014 mock draft.
Marcus Smart was #2 overall in most NBA mock drafts before going back to school.
The Harrison twins are 6'5 and one plays PG.
Draft Express analysis for Andrew Harrison:Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college.
I'm fine with any of these other players too.
Wow!
A 6'5" PG. He might be the next Michael Carter-Williams.
Just like how Anthony Bennett is the next Lebron because he is around the same height, weight, and plays the same position as him, right?!?!?!
If he were in the 2014 draft, people might be saying he is. I'm not saying it's not a good draft, but the hype on it has gotten to the stage of loopiness.
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The 14 draft is loaded, and it's not just about the Wiggins and Parker. I would say that Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart, Gordon, and Harrison would've all been #1 overall picks this year if eligible.
OP, here's the link to DX.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/
Read the scouting reports, watch the videos, and you'll see why so many teams are enamored with that draft.
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
...define literally. Because I'm pretty sure that if we tank, we aren't making the playoffs no matter what.
Julius Randle, Marcus Smart, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Harrison, and Aaron Gordon. You haven't heard of a single one of these players?
Randle, Gordon, and Smart are all higher than Parker in the Draft Express 2014 mock draft.
Marcus Smart was #2 overall in most NBA mock drafts before going back to school.
The Harrison twins are 6'5 and one plays PG.
Draft Express analysis for Andrew Harrison:Arguably the most talented guard in all of high school basketball. Top-shelf NBA prospect. Will be a game-changer from day one in college.
I'm fine with any of these other players too.
Wow!
A 6'5" PG. He might be the next Michael Carter-Williams.
Just like how Anthony Bennett is the next Lebron because he is around the same height, weight, and plays the same position as him, right?!?!?!
If he were in the 2014 draft, people might be saying he is. I'm not saying it's not a good draft, but the hype on it has gotten to the stage of loopiness.
Andrew Harrison is nothing like MCW. He's much bigger, stronger (have you seen MCW's frame?), and more physical.
I haven't seen them play, but I've watched a bunch of film on Harrison. He plays like Lebron James, driving to the basket. Great dribbler and passer and defender too. Here are the draft profiles for him and MCW:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andrew-Harrison-6456/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andrew-Harrison-6456/)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Michael-Carter-Williams-6262/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Michael-Carter-Williams-6262/)
Buy into the hype dude! There' a lot to go around! Everyone's been deprived of it for the past several years.
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Huh? What's the point of this thread? Are you saying the lottery is a crap shoot? Wow there's news here.
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The 14 draft is loaded, and it's not just about the Wiggins and Parker. I would say that Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Smart, Gordon, and Harrison would've all been #1 overall picks this year if eligible.
OP, here's the link to DX.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/
Read the scouting reports, watch the videos, and you'll see why so many teams are enamored with that draft.
Yup, I recommend doing this as well. It's really deep lottery wise.
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(1) under the cba, as revised, rookie contracts are hugely valuable - both in terms of cap space, and in terms of being able to offer the mega-max (5 year $100m) to only got own player. A kid off a rookie deal LIKELY takes the big money on his first contract. That means a rookie phenom could be yours for 8 years - under the new cba.
(2) it is not about Wiggins, but about assets. Two rookie players can be flipped into one all star. Think of what KG cost us: Gomes (not in the league) Telfair (in the league?) Ratliff, Green, and Jefferson - the only guy still starting in the NBA. Who knows? Maybe in 2015, a pupu platter nets is Durant. Playing time makes guys into assets.
(3) the alternative (boring mediocrity) was worse than the year down. The C's were borderline unwatchable at times, last year. Plodding half court jogging. I don't blame them - but I'd rather watch a team miss the playoffs but capture my interest - than watch two or three veterans I love get crushed by a team (like NYK) that I hate.
(4) opportunities arise all the time. How did trading pick five and D. West go for us? Amazingly well - right?
(5) tanking creates assets, as non-entities step up to score on bad teams. Tyreke Evans is a big star - and a huge asset. But would he have been such a star playing behind Kobe on the Lakers? The sky won't just be dark. A star will emerge from a crowd of young players to light up the box score. (I don't usually ask for a TP but - amazing turn of phrase - agreed?).
Danny is doing the right thing.
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I find it hard to believe that some posters on here think we're done making moves over the next 3 years, like if we don't land wiggins next year then were doomed to keep resigning Kris Humphries and Gerald Wallace to max contracts until they retire. Sigh.
Winning the lottery would be terrific indeed but make no mistake, we aren't tank or bust.
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Julius Randle is going to be a BEAST ! Incredible combination of finesse and toughness. He can dribble, shoot, Finish, and is Strong and quick.He is a future superstar. Next Chris Webber
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im still unsure of if we're "tanking"
we have no clue who DA has been interested in who will be available july 1
and guess what guys? there are clubs out there that are IN rebuild mode and HAVE been who would love some of these younger assets we have...oh and the picks
i feel like we can get a lot of sign and trades going.
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TP for this thread.
Its so annoying how so many people think that its better for us to tank than to try to trade and rebuild within a year. Seriously, have you guys already forgotten the 2007 Draft?
If D12 leaves, Lakers will be awful and if Lakers and Celtics are competing for the number 1 pick in the draft, then Los Angeles will win it. NBA will benefit more by sending Wiggins and/or Parker to LA's big market than they will if he comes to Boston.
That deals with Draft Lottery fixing and disregards our luck, another huge factor.
1997 - We lose out on Duncan.
2007 - We lose out on Oden/Durant.
What do you guys want? That our list extends to "2014 - We lose out on Wiggins/Parker?"
You would rather take a huge risk on trying out the Celtics luck in the lottery, which hasn't worked in the past, than try something which has much better success rate?
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TP for this thread.
Its so annoying how so many people think that its better for us to tank than to try to trade and rebuild within a year. Seriously, have you guys already forgotten the 2007 Draft?
If D12 leaves, Lakers will be awful and if Lakers and Celtics are competing for the number 1 pick in the draft, then Los Angeles will win it. NBA will benefit more by sending Wiggins and/or Parker to LA's big market than they will if he comes to Boston.
That deals with Draft Lottery fixing and disregards our luck, another huge factor.
1997 - We lose out on Duncan.
2007 - We lose out on Oden/Durant.
What do you guys want? That our list extends to "2014 - We lose out on Wiggins/Parker?"
You would rather take a huge risk on trying out the Celtics luck in the lottery, which hasn't worked in the past, than try something which has much better success rate?
i find it weird when anti-rebuild people cite 2007, like we didn't cash in on the assets we had to get Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, like we didn't win a championship the following year. That 06-07 team was trying to "tank" to get KD, but when the C's missed out, DA proved that he was definitely more than just a "i hope i win the lottery!"-type of GM.
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I think the chances of Rondo finishing this upcoming season as a Celtic are very rare now.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-130627-2/brooklyn-nets-boston-celtics-blockbuster
4. Should the Celtics trade Rajon Rondo in the next year?
Stein: Doesn't matter what you or I think. Ainge is going to do it whether or not we push for it. Word on the street is that Ainge is worried more about the 2014 lottery than the standings. If that's the case, everyone in Boston will be much happier if Rondo is dealt before they ask him to try to stomach the nightly grind of being the face of a team just starting to rebuild.
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also btw, I kinda like Julius Randle better in my opinion
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Randle, Harrisons, Gordon all have the ability to be Superstars.Not to mention players like Hezonja, Young,Exum and Embiid if they reach their ceiling will be stars as well. Also these high "potential" players command a lot on the trade table. Stockpile assets is plan 1 not tank, if the lotto balls fall our way and we get Parker, Wiggins or Randle great rejoice but if not we are still getting good assets for the future.
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TP for this thread.
Its so annoying how so many people think that its better for us to tank than to try to trade and rebuild within a year. Seriously, have you guys already forgotten the 2007 Draft?
If D12 leaves, Lakers will be awful and if Lakers and Celtics are competing for the number 1 pick in the draft, then Los Angeles will win it. NBA will benefit more by sending Wiggins and/or Parker to LA's big market than they will if he comes to Boston.
That deals with Draft Lottery fixing and disregards our luck, another huge factor.
1997 - We lose out on Duncan.
2007 - We lose out on Oden/Durant.
What do you guys want? That our list extends to "2014 - We lose out on Wiggins/Parker?"
You would rather take a huge risk on trying out the Celtics luck in the lottery, which hasn't worked in the past, than try something which has much better success rate?
Reading the counter-arguments in this thread could really give you more perspective...
This isn't a one man draft. This draft is projected to have numerous all-stars, 2003 caliber.
If we tank in 2003, and lose out on Lebron, is it all over?
Not if we draft Wade, Melo, Bosh, etc.
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Julius Randle is going to be a BEAST ! Incredible combination of finesse and toughness. He can dribble, shoot, Finish, and is Strong and quick.He is a future superstar. Next Chris Webber
I watched the Nike Hoop Summit Game and I was really impressed.
My lasting memory of him was when he got an offensive rebound, power dribbled once and bullied everyone out of position, did a Kevin McHale-equse up and under (and over), faking out 2 guys, and powering up strong.
I would be very happy to get this guy. He seems like a good kid off the court as well.
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Well Id be shocked if we didnt have a top 8 pick next year even with Rondo. Flip Rondo and that pick and I think you could be looking at a Julius Randle/Parker type of player.
Haven't you listened to KG?
ANYTHINGS POSSIBLLLLLEEEE!!!!
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Well Id be shocked if we didnt have a top 8 pick next year even with Rondo. Flip Rondo and that pick and I think you could be looking at a Julius Randle/Parker type of player.
Haven't you listened to KG?
ANYTHINGS POSSIBLLLLLEEEE!!!!
But then we flip the Randle/Parker type player for some more assets and a lottery pick in the 2018 draft. There are some kids in middle school right now who are going to blow the 2014 draft class out of the water.
Patience, patience.
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Well Id be shocked if we didnt have a top 8 pick next year even with Rondo. Flip Rondo and that pick and I think you could be looking at a Julius Randle/Parker type of player.
Haven't you listened to KG?
ANYTHINGS POSSIBLLLLLEEEE!!!!
David Kahn was fired in Minnesota and even Michael Jordan isn't stupid enough to trade out of next year's top 5. You aren't getting anyone to move a top 5 pick in next year's draft for Rondo and a mid to late lotto pick.
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the celtics dont automatically get wiggins or parker. sorry, but not a revelation. the celtics MIGHT get them, but the odds are low.
i agree.
but then, the celtics missed durant and oden. things still turned out all right. i honestly believe that ainge can rebuild this team since he will have a boatload more of assets to trade in a few year than he did before.
i am very optimistic, with or without wiggins or parker.
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If we do this tank job right, showcase our young talent and make sure the league sees that they can play with the rest of the NBA, add our 1st round pick along with it and MAYBE just MAYBE we can move up and get a top 5 pick.
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As people have stated, DA has proven himself capable of finding other ways to retool this team without a top 3 pick. I think if we find ourselves in a situation similar to 2007 draft, we need to trust that DA will do the right thing and trade the picks for a star player, or draft a player he deems capable of helping out the franchise. Besides, its way too early to predict what the drafts after the 2014 look like. For all we know its better than this years.
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There's literally a better chance of us making the playoffs next year than winning the Wiggens lottery. Add Parker, if you'd like. For these other 5 all-stars - I've never heard of one, and no one has discussed them here yet. No reason to be excited - we're likely screwed.
Given the odds couldn't be much worse, what's plan B?
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n114/TIGERRADIATION/haters-gonna-hate-panda-1.jpg) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/TIGERRADIATION/media/haters-gonna-hate-panda-1.jpg.html)
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TP for this thread.
Its so annoying how so many people think that its better for us to tank than to try to trade and rebuild within a year. Seriously, have you guys already forgotten the 2007 Draft?
If D12 leaves, Lakers will be awful and if Lakers and Celtics are competing for the number 1 pick in the draft, then Los Angeles will win it. NBA will benefit more by sending Wiggins and/or Parker to LA's big market than they will if he comes to Boston.
That deals with Draft Lottery fixing and disregards our luck, another huge factor.
1997 - We lose out on Duncan.
2007 - We lose out on Oden/Durant.
What do you guys want? That our list extends to "2014 - We lose out on Wiggins/Parker?"
You would rather take a huge risk on trying out the Celtics luck in the lottery, which hasn't worked in the past, than try something which has much better success rate?
Reading the counter-arguments in this thread could really give you more perspective...
This isn't a one man draft. This draft is projected to have numerous all-stars, 2003 caliber.
If we tank in 2003, and lose out on Lebron, is it all over?
Not if we draft Wade, Melo, Bosh, etc.
The haters will really be mad if we tank and make sure we have the worst record in the association. That guarantees us a top 4 or 5 pick right? we get a stud then DA wheels and deals and gets back in for say a top 6 or 7 pick? minds would be blown here.
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n114/TIGERRADIATION/mindblown_zps8b7c8f2b.gif) (http://s110.photobucket.com/user/TIGERRADIATION/media/mindblown_zps8b7c8f2b.gif.html)
two studs in one draft? ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!