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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: jyyzzoel on June 28, 2013, 05:54:30 AM
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Who do the NUMBERS say Kelly Olynyk compares to? Notice I say numbers, not playing style.
First of all, not to get everyone down, but all of his measurements evened out compare VERY well with Brian Scalabrine.
Luckily, Olynyk is more skilled than Brian Scalabrine.
According to college PER, EFF/40, WS/40, adjusted for age, Olynyk compares to:
* Tyler Zeller x (closest)
* Kyle O Quinn x
* Greg Smith x
* Spencer Hawes x
* Shelden Williams x
* Aaron Gray x
* Jason Thompson x
* Meyers Leonard x
* DJ White ?
* David Lee x
* Shavlik Randolph ?
* Channing Frye x
* Luc Mbah-A-Moute x
* Taj Gibson x
* Jordan Hill x
* Luis Scola ?
Yes, I know there is a huge difference between David Lee and DJ White, but I will explain.
The x's are for the players above that have a wingspan either matching or lower than Olynyk's. That's right - nobody does.
So, so far we've established:
1. Other than the fact that he is about three inches taller than Scalabrine, Olynyk has the same physical abilities.
2. Olynyk has a small wingspan.
Now, of the players listed above (who played at a US college) Olynyk did have the highest college PER of 37. Meyers Leonard and Greg Smith did however have a higher PER than Olynyk did, if you compare their second years in college. Olynyk had a PER of 20.5. Leonard 23.9, and Smith 21.6.
Of all the players above, Olynyk had the second best EFF/40 of 32.1. The first and third were Shelden Williams with 32.3, and Jason Thompson with 31.1.
Olynyk also ranked fourth in terms of WS/40 with 15.7. This was behind Gray 17.6, Williams 17.3, and Zeller 16.2.
Now everyone may say, "But you're drafting on potential. Look at David Lee who had similar numbers than the rest of them in college! He turned out to be great!" True.
But David Lee has a no step vertical of 30.5, and a max vertical of 32.5. This is to go along with a 7 foot wingspan, lane agility of 10.8, and 3/4 sprint of 3.19.
Olynyk on the other hand has a no step vert of 24.5 and a max vertical of 29.5. He has a 6'9.75" wingspan, lane agility of 11.42, and a 3/4 sprint of 3.59. Long story short, he doesnt have as much potential as David Lee did coming out of college.
He probably won't be as good as David Lee (or Meyers Leonard for that matter), so don't hope for that.
Professionally, his numbers should be:
A PER between 14 - 18 (18 being his ABSOLUTE maximum - head up in the clouds). But throughout his career he will probably average a PER of around about 16.
A EFF/40 of about 20.
A WS/40 of between 11 - 12
The one thing that could allow Olynyk to hover in the upper tier of these projections would be his ability to shoot. His 2PT% for his fourth year in college is 66% compared to David Lee's 53.2%. Although Lee did have a year where it was 64.8%.
Because of his shooting ability I would guess that he'll get played at the power forward spot more than the center spot.
Lastly, I don't like the pick. I really don't like it. Danny could have traded down and grabbed two players even in the second round who could end up being as good as Olynyk. It's my guess based on everything I've written in this post (and it is purely a guess), that Danny Ainge thought that due to his offensive game, and the fact that he is a 7 footer, Olynyk is the new David Lee, and for that reason traded up to grab his with the 13th pick.
But Olynyk is not David Lee. It was a bad pick in my opinion.
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I think he's also promising because of how rapidly he progressed after redshirting and concentrating/working on his game.
I'm not so sure about the pick either, especially when Shabbaz was on the board among others.
Here's the summary from a positive perspective or Ainge's point of view...
*He's got excellent footwork
*He can shoot/stretch the floor
*He finishes around the rim with contact and is probably the best finishing 7 footer in the draft.
*Because of his footwork, Danny feels they can make him into a very good defenser. He's also very good at defending and running pick and rolls.
I was surprised at the pick but I don't completely hate it.
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One thing that people need to keep in mind with Kelly is that DA projects him as a stretch 4. He obviously will have to prove in the summer league and his rookie year that he has the range to play this position. If he proves to have NBA 3pt range I could see him as a player in the Troy Murphy mold. I also am encouraged by the fact that he has a 9' standing reach despite a relatively short wingspan.
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I see him as something like a Ty Hansbrough / Spencer Hawes hybrid who shoots threes.
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Kind of a confusing analysis. You don't acknowledge any of his strengths. He is a better low post scorer and jump shooter than almost all the players you compared him to coming in and you give him no credit for that.
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Kind of a confusing analysis. You don't acknowledge any of his strengths. He is a better low post scorer and jump shooter than almost all the players you compared him to coming in and you give him no credit for that.
Yup. This looked like an extremely biased analysis from the get-go (Scalabrine comparisons) so I didn't even do much more than lightly skim it.
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Who do the NUMBERS say Kelly Olynyk compares to? Notice I say numbers, not playing style.
First of all, not to get everyone down, but all of his measurements evened out compare VERY well with Brian Scalabrine.
Luckily, Olynyk is more skilled than Brian Scalabrine.
According to college PER, EFF/40, WS/40, adjusted for age, Olynyk compares to:
* Tyler Zeller x (closest)
* Kyle O Quinn x
* Greg Smith x
* Spencer Hawes x
* Shelden Williams x
* Aaron Gray x
* Jason Thompson x
* Meyers Leonard x
* DJ White ?
* David Lee x
* Shavlik Randolph ?
* Channing Frye x
* Luc Mbah-A-Moute x
* Taj Gibson x
* Jordan Hill x
* Luis Scola ?
Yes, I know there is a huge difference between David Lee and DJ White, but I will explain.
The x's are for the players above that have a wingspan either matching or lower than Olynyk's. That's right - nobody does.
So, so far we've established:
1. Other than the fact that he is about three inches taller than Scalabrine, Olynyk has the same physical abilities.
2. Olynyk has a small wingspan.
Now, of the players listed above (who played at a US college) Olynyk did have the highest college PER of 37. Meyers Leonard and Greg Smith did however have a higher PER than Olynyk did, if you compare their second years in college. Olynyk had a PER of 20.5. Leonard 23.9, and Smith 21.6.
Of all the players above, Olynyk had the second best EFF/40 of 32.1. The first and third were Shelden Williams with 32.3, and Jason Thompson with 31.1.
Olynyk also ranked fourth in terms of WS/40 with 15.7. This was behind Gray 17.6, Williams 17.3, and Zeller 16.2.
Now everyone may say, "But you're drafting on potential. Look at David Lee who had similar numbers than the rest of them in college! He turned out to be great!" True.
But David Lee has a no step vertical of 30.5, and a max vertical of 32.5. This is to go along with a 7 foot wingspan, lane agility of 10.8, and 3/4 sprint of 3.19.
Olynyk on the other hand has a no step vert of 24.5 and a max vertical of 29.5. He has a 6'9.75" wingspan, lane agility of 11.42, and a 3/4 sprint of 3.59. Long story short, he doesnt have as much potential as David Lee did coming out of college.
He probably won't be as good as David Lee (or Meyers Leonard for that matter), so don't hope for that.
Professionally, his numbers should be:
A PER between 14 - 18 (18 being his ABSOLUTE maximum - head up in the clouds). But throughout his career he will probably average a PER of around about 16.
A EFF/40 of about 20.
A WS/40 of between 11 - 12
The one thing that could allow Olynyk to hover in the upper tier of these projections would be his ability to shoot. His 2PT% for his fourth year in college is 66% compared to David Lee's 53.2%. Although Lee did have a year where it was 64.8%.
Because of his shooting ability I would guess that he'll get played at the power forward spot more than the center spot.
Lastly, I don't like the pick. I really don't like it. Danny could have traded down and grabbed two players even in the second round who could end up being as good as Olynyk. It's my guess based on everything I've written in this post (and it is purely a guess), that Danny Ainge thought that due to his offensive game, and the fact that he is a 7 footer, Olynyk is the new David Lee, and for that reason traded up to grab his with the 13th pick.
But Olynyk is not David Lee. It was a bad pick in my opinion.
I don't see anything in your post that would lead anyone to think Danny thinks he's the new David Lee.
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Standing reach is 9'0", that's not bad, not great, but not bad. His wingspan *is* bad for his height, though. So, what does that mean? I think it means he has narrow shoulders. Narrow shoulders might mean he'll have a hard time putting on a lot of upper body muscle...for better or worse.
He measured a pretty poor standing and one-step jump, but 9 + 2 feet is still 11 so he can dunk and block the occasional shot. No rim-protector, but with footwork and quick feet (which he has) he should be fine as a positional defender.
The big men in this draft were nothing to write home about, but Olynyk was still one of the top guys available...worth a 13th pick, I think. How good well he be? So, shoot me, but I think he'll be able good as Sullinger except a worse rebounder.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMWf5FYe7C4
i thought i share this link. Sounds humble and talks pretty smart. But if you watch some of his workout clips while he interviews, he looks like he has more "snap" in his jump than we have seen from nbadraftexpress scouting videos. Definitely promising to see.
His body like Sully is going to improve as the season goes along. We will see how much this elevates his game. His offense is there, we just need him to be in condition to not be a liability on the defensive end.
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The Klynyk is solid. I just don't understand how someone can not be happy with a 7ft with high basketball IQ, clean character, great work ethic and refined skill set. He's been playing basketball since he was a kid and his father is a coach. He also has been successful playing at the pro level with the Canadian team. That is as much of a sure thing as we can have in the NBA. He may never be a star, although it is certainly possible. He will also not be a bust.
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Standing reach is 9'0", that's not bad, not great, but not bad. His wingspan *is* bad for his height, though. So, what does that mean? I think it means he has narrow shoulders. Narrow shoulders might mean he'll have a hard time putting on a lot of upper body muscle...for better or worse.
He measured a pretty poor standing and one-step jump, but 9 + 2 feet is still 11 so he can dunk and block the occasional shot. No rim-protector, but with footwork and quick feet (which he has) he should be fine as a positional defender.
The big men in this draft were nothing to write home about, but Olynyk was still one of the top guys available...worth a 13th pick, I think. How good well he be? So, shoot me, but I think he'll be able good as Sullinger except a worse rebounder.
I remember this was in Joakim Noah's college profile.
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Who does what he does? He is an easy guy to make into an asset. Lots of sloppy thinking on this board abou what is really going on here. This guy will light it the f*** up on a bad team, and is a positional nightmare for the defense.
How does serge ibaka get a rebound from the perimeter?
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Who does what he does? He is an easy guy to make into an asset. Lots of sloppy thinking on this board abou what is really going on here. This guy will light it the f*** up on a bad team, and is a positional nightmare for the defense.
How does serge ibaka get a rebound from the perimeter?
I agree with your sentiment that Olynyk is a nice player. But I have some trouble understanding your question.
How does a guy that dunked from the free throw line (Ibaka) get a rebound over a much less athletic guy (Olynyk) shooting from further out in the perimeter? I believe the answer is: easily.
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Who does what he does? He is an easy guy to make into an asset. Lots of sloppy thinking on this board abou what is really going on here. This guy will light it the f*** up on a bad team, and is a positional nightmare for the defense.
How does serge ibaka get a rebound from the perimeter?
I agree with your sentiment that Olynyk is a nice player. But I have some trouble understanding your question.
How does a guy that dunked from the free throw line (Ibaka) get a rebound over a much less athletic guy (Olynyk) shooting from further out in the perimeter? I believe the answer is: easily.
Ibaka is not getting a rebound over Green, or whoever else is on the block if he is guarding Olynyk on the perimeter. Olynyk is not getting that reboud either - too true! But many PFs serve as the primary defensive rebounder for their teams. Getting those guys out of position is valuable.
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Who does what he does? He is an easy guy to make into an asset. Lots of sloppy thinking on this board abou what is really going on here. This guy will light it the f*** up on a bad team, and is a positional nightmare for the defense.
How does serge ibaka get a rebound from the perimeter?
I agree with your sentiment that Olynyk is a nice player. But I have some trouble understanding your question.
How does a guy that dunked from the free throw line (Ibaka) get a rebound over a much less athletic guy (Olynyk) shooting from further out in the perimeter? I believe the answer is: easily.
Ibaka is not getting a rebound over Green, or whoever else is on the block if he is guarding Olynyk on the perimeter. Olynyk is not getting that reboud either - too true! But many PFs serve as the primary defensive rebounder for their teams. Getting those guys out of position is valuable.
I understand what you said, but in your hypothetical Green would be guarding Kevin Durant who happens to be a much better rebounder than Green.
The benefit of dragging Ibaka to the perimeter is not to get the rebound, but to draw the shot blocker away from the paint opening lines of attack for Rondo, Bradley and Green.
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I think there is a major disconnect in who the celtic fans think the Celtics needed vs what Olynyk brings to the table for the team.
Celtic fans: We want an athletic, defensive monster , that is different than "ugly body" Sully. We are tired of small ball and getting taken advantage of in the inside. Basically someone that is like KG or resembles his game
Problem: The draft , didn't present the celtics with much choices to what the celtic fans wanted and i'm sure danny wouldn't mind having. He did mention Adams was also highly considered, and when he was gone at 12, they wanted to secure Olynyk next. Some fans are devastated that Dieng was passed on instead bc he also fits the "description" of that athletic defensive presence. But if you think about it and analyzed his stats, you would see a guy who was not a huge part of the reason why Louisville was so good. He had some good games and some bad ones. Watching clips his 18 ft jumpers is impressive but on avg only took 1 or 2 in games. He just isn't all that good offensively. So while you can say his defense is a 8, his offense is like a 6. Vs Olynyk whose offense is a 10 and defense is a 6.5 (basically can hold the ground on the person he covers but can't save his teammates).
Using these metrics, Olynyk scores higher and will bring a unique adv with him into the nba. Dieng while good defensively is no Anthony Davis or Noel.
So what olynyk brings to the table: A guy that is really nothing like KG. But perhaps more like a Dino Radja but with more potential. Radja i remember was a fine celtic, until he got injured. He was a consistent scoring pf, smart, grabbed his share of rebounds, clogged the middle and played on a brutal celtics team from 94 to 96. At one pt he certainly was the celts best player and its too bad he didn't have a better supporting cast. Olynyk on the other hand even though is on a rebuilding squad , has lots of talent around him. He was the top player from Gonzaga last year and it will be interesting to see what else he can do being surrounded by even better talent.
So again, Danny got the best talent available, and certainly met one big need now the celts have which is lack of scoring. If Olynyk and Sully can't cut it defensively, than you have the choice to keep one guy or have one guy coming off the bench and make a trade or draft a "special" defensive player later. Rebuilding is never pleasent but i like the direction our young team is headed in.
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As a result, some comparisons are better than others. Similarity is rated on a scale that maxes out at 100. A similarity score of 95 or higher is a good match, and anything below 90 is a bit of a stretch. Keep that in mind as I go through the top four comps for the players with projections in Chad Ford's top 30.
18. Kelly Olynyk, Gonzaga
Comparisons: Markieff Morris (96.8), Jordan Hill, Darnell Jackson, Jeff Pendergraph
Morris makes sense for Olynyk as a pick-and-pop post player who has spent more time on the perimeter than in the paint as a pro.
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I think there is a major disconnect in who the celtic fans think the Celtics needed vs what Olynyk brings to the table for the team.
Celtic fans: We want an athletic, defensive monster , that is different than "ugly body" Sully. We are tired of small ball and getting taken advantage of in the inside. Basically someone that is like KG or resembles his game
A lot of Celtic fans didn't think you had to pigeon hole yourself into drafting a big man at pick 13. The idea should have been to take the best player available. We will see if delusional Danny did that (I doubt it).
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I think there is a major disconnect in who the celtic fans think the Celtics needed vs what Olynyk brings to the table for the team.
Celtic fans: We want an athletic, defensive monster , that is different than "ugly body" Sully. We are tired of small ball and getting taken advantage of in the inside. Basically someone that is like KG or resembles his game
Problem: The draft , didn't present the celtics with much choices to what the celtic fans wanted and i'm sure danny wouldn't mind having. He did mention Adams was also highly considered, and when he was gone at 12, they wanted to secure Olynyk next. Some fans are devastated that Dieng was passed on instead bc he also fits the "description" of that athletic defensive presence. But if you think about it and analyzed his stats, you would see a guy who was not a huge part of the reason why Louisville was so good. He had some good games and some bad ones. Watching clips his 18 ft jumpers is impressive but on avg only took 1 or 2 in games. He just isn't all that good offensively. So while you can say his defense is a 8, his offense is like a 6. Vs Olynyk whose offense is a 10 and defense is a 6.5 (basically can hold the ground on the person he covers but can't save his teammates).
Using these metrics, Olynyk scores higher and will bring a unique adv with him into the nba. Dieng while good defensively is no Anthony Davis or Noel.
So what olynyk brings to the table: A guy that is really nothing like KG. But perhaps more like a Dino Radja but with more potential. Radja i remember was a fine celtic, until he got injured. He was a consistent scoring pf, smart, grabbed his share of rebounds, clogged the middle and played on a brutal celtics team from 94 to 96. At one pt he certainly was the celts best player and its too bad he didn't have a better supporting cast. Olynyk on the other hand even though is on a rebuilding squad , has lots of talent around him. He was the top player from Gonzaga last year and it will be interesting to see what else he can do being surrounded by even better talent.
So again, Danny got the best talent available, and certainly met one big need now the celts have which is lack of scoring. If Olynyk and Sully can't cut it defensively, than you have the choice to keep one guy or have one guy coming off the bench and make a trade or draft a "special" defensive player later. Rebuilding is never pleasent but i like the direction our young team is headed in.
Yup.
Danny took the best talent available. A seven foot dude who dominated college hoops is going to find a role in this league. At #13 in this draft getting a talent like Olynyk is great.
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Loved the pick by Danny.
I think he's a bit like Sully, except bigger & not as good at rebounding. His offensive game outside and around the rim might actually be better than Sully's, & Sully is strong there.
Good pick, & should be nice fit on any team. Hard worker as well so again, we must wait on judging this guy until about 3 years down the road. Like Sully, his defense will need work.
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Its funny how people criticize him because he's not an athletic defensive guy.
Same was said about Sully. Something to be said about high IQ guys. They figure it out faster.
Right now which would you rather have start the season. The athletic defensive low IQ Melo. Or the High IQ, good shooting, Olynk?
And don't say neither, or Howard or Cousins. I'd think that would be obvious...
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I think there is a major disconnect in who the celtic fans think the Celtics needed vs what Olynyk brings to the table for the team.
Celtic fans: We want an athletic, defensive monster , that is different than "ugly body" Sully. We are tired of small ball and getting taken advantage of in the inside. Basically someone that is like KG or resembles his game
Problem: The draft , didn't present the celtics with much choices to what the celtic fans wanted and i'm sure danny wouldn't mind having. He did mention Adams was also highly considered, and when he was gone at 12, they wanted to secure Olynyk next. Some fans are devastated that Dieng was passed on instead bc he also fits the "description" of that athletic defensive presence. But if you think about it and analyzed his stats, you would see a guy who was not a huge part of the reason why Louisville was so good. He had some good games and some bad ones. Watching clips his 18 ft jumpers is impressive but on avg only took 1 or 2 in games. He just isn't all that good offensively. So while you can say his defense is a 8, his offense is like a 6. Vs Olynyk whose offense is a 10 and defense is a 6.5 (basically can hold the ground on the person he covers but can't save his teammates).
Using these metrics, Olynyk scores higher and will bring a unique adv with him into the nba. Dieng while good defensively is no Anthony Davis or Noel.
So what olynyk brings to the table: A guy that is really nothing like KG. But perhaps more like a Dino Radja but with more potential. Radja i remember was a fine celtic, until he got injured. He was a consistent scoring pf, smart, grabbed his share of rebounds, clogged the middle and played on a brutal celtics team from 94 to 96. At one pt he certainly was the celts best player and its too bad he didn't have a better supporting cast. Olynyk on the other hand even though is on a rebuilding squad , has lots of talent around him. He was the top player from Gonzaga last year and it will be interesting to see what else he can do being surrounded by even better talent.
So again, Danny got the best talent available, and certainly met one big need now the celts have which is lack of scoring. If Olynyk and Sully can't cut it defensively, than you have the choice to keep one guy or have one guy coming off the bench and make a trade or draft a "special" defensive player later. Rebuilding is never pleasent but i like the direction our young team is headed in.
Yup.
Danny took the best talent available. A seven foot dude who dominated college hoops is going to find a role in this league. At #13 in this draft getting a talent like Olynyk is great.
Yeah, I heard the same things about Adam Morrison who was from Gonzaga and a much better college player than Olynyk
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I'm definitely warming up to the pick. He has more pure basketball skill than any of the bigs picked before him.
The main thing that concerns me is the lack of defensive speed and length of our frontcourt with a Sully + Olynyk combo (although Danny drafted Olynyk with the mindset that he's a PF). Not enough quality pick and roll coverage, not enough rim protection. We'll see.
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I think there is a major disconnect in who the celtic fans think the Celtics needed vs what Olynyk brings to the table for the team.
Celtic fans: We want an athletic, defensive monster , that is different than "ugly body" Sully. We are tired of small ball and getting taken advantage of in the inside. Basically someone that is like KG or resembles his game
Problem: The draft , didn't present the celtics with much choices to what the celtic fans wanted and i'm sure danny wouldn't mind having. He did mention Adams was also highly considered, and when he was gone at 12, they wanted to secure Olynyk next. Some fans are devastated that Dieng was passed on instead bc he also fits the "description" of that athletic defensive presence. But if you think about it and analyzed his stats, you would see a guy who was not a huge part of the reason why Louisville was so good. He had some good games and some bad ones. Watching clips his 18 ft jumpers is impressive but on avg only took 1 or 2 in games. He just isn't all that good offensively. So while you can say his defense is a 8, his offense is like a 6. Vs Olynyk whose offense is a 10 and defense is a 6.5 (basically can hold the ground on the person he covers but can't save his teammates).
Using these metrics, Olynyk scores higher and will bring a unique adv with him into the nba. Dieng while good defensively is no Anthony Davis or Noel.
So what olynyk brings to the table: A guy that is really nothing like KG. But perhaps more like a Dino Radja but with more potential. Radja i remember was a fine celtic, until he got injured. He was a consistent scoring pf, smart, grabbed his share of rebounds, clogged the middle and played on a brutal celtics team from 94 to 96. At one pt he certainly was the celts best player and its too bad he didn't have a better supporting cast. Olynyk on the other hand even though is on a rebuilding squad , has lots of talent around him. He was the top player from Gonzaga last year and it will be interesting to see what else he can do being surrounded by even better talent.
So again, Danny got the best talent available, and certainly met one big need now the celts have which is lack of scoring. If Olynyk and Sully can't cut it defensively, than you have the choice to keep one guy or have one guy coming off the bench and make a trade or draft a "special" defensive player later. Rebuilding is never pleasent but i like the direction our young team is headed in.
Yup.
Danny took the best talent available. A seven foot dude who dominated college hoops is going to find a role in this league. At #13 in this draft getting a talent like Olynyk is great.
Yeah, I heard the same things about Adam Morrison who was from Gonzaga and a much better college player than Olynyk
Replace, "his athleticism might be a problem with guarding opposing forwards and getting off his shot" with "his athleticism might be a problem with guarding opposing bigs and rebounding".
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I think it's ridiculous that players are considered to have diminished "potential" based on athleticism (aka lateral foot movement and leaping ability). I agree that Olynyk is not the most "athletic." He also doesn't have the biggest frame I've seen.
That being said, he made great strides in improving his game between his second and third year at Gonzaga. He added weight, and his stat increase is crazy. He got serious, and he learned what it takes. I would never jump the gun and call the kid a future all-star...but what if we can't fathom his best yet?
To me, any kid that gets drafted is a careers-worth of hard work away from having their number retired, hanging a banner from our rafters, being the greatest player on the court. A thousand squats, ten thousand box jumps and twenty lbs from now he might make us laugh about the day we thought he'd just be a complimentary player.
This is all conjecture, of course. He might be a solid role player. He might be way better than we think. I'm excited for the future. But to be sure, I've seen kids add 8 inches to their vertical and become great defenders even at 23.
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Never can tell...might be a total flop ......and Fab Melo might come on like crazy ....
its alot mental, does a person have the drive and desire
I would have never though Kevin Love or Parsons would have been as good as they are.
Look at Portland's Aldridge ....he rebuild his body , work ethic and developed himself into a nice player
Kelly has arrived , made it to the show.......now see if he can make something of himself......
I think he needs to do a Aldridge and go into a massive training program to bulk up his muscle and gain a attitude.
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I think there is a major disconnect in who the celtic fans think the Celtics needed vs what Olynyk brings to the table for the team.
Celtic fans: We want an athletic, defensive monster , that is different than "ugly body" Sully. We are tired of small ball and getting taken advantage of in the inside. Basically someone that is like KG or resembles his game
Problem: The draft , didn't present the celtics with much choices to what the celtic fans wanted and i'm sure danny wouldn't mind having. He did mention Adams was also highly considered, and when he was gone at 12, they wanted to secure Olynyk next. Some fans are devastated that Dieng was passed on instead bc he also fits the "description" of that athletic defensive presence. But if you think about it and analyzed his stats, you would see a guy who was not a huge part of the reason why Louisville was so good. He had some good games and some bad ones. Watching clips his 18 ft jumpers is impressive but on avg only took 1 or 2 in games. He just isn't all that good offensively. So while you can say his defense is a 8, his offense is like a 6. Vs Olynyk whose offense is a 10 and defense is a 6.5 (basically can hold the ground on the person he covers but can't save his teammates).
Using these metrics, Olynyk scores higher and will bring a unique adv with him into the nba. Dieng while good defensively is no Anthony Davis or Noel.
So what olynyk brings to the table: A guy that is really nothing like KG. But perhaps more like a Dino Radja but with more potential. Radja i remember was a fine celtic, until he got injured. He was a consistent scoring pf, smart, grabbed his share of rebounds, clogged the middle and played on a brutal celtics team from 94 to 96. At one pt he certainly was the celts best player and its too bad he didn't have a better supporting cast. Olynyk on the other hand even though is on a rebuilding squad , has lots of talent around him. He was the top player from Gonzaga last year and it will be interesting to see what else he can do being surrounded by even better talent.
So again, Danny got the best talent available, and certainly met one big need now the celts have which is lack of scoring. If Olynyk and Sully can't cut it defensively, than you have the choice to keep one guy or have one guy coming off the bench and make a trade or draft a "special" defensive player later. Rebuilding is never pleasent but i like the direction our young team is headed in.
Yup.
Danny took the best talent available. A seven foot dude who dominated college hoops is going to find a role in this league. At #13 in this draft getting a talent like Olynyk is great.
Yeah, I heard the same things about Adam Morrison who was from Gonzaga and a much better college player than Olynyk
Meh. Morrison's lack of athleticism was a much bigger problem since he was a wing.
A seven footer who can shoot threes is going to have some real value in this league as long as he can hit a good percentage.
Worst case scenario we got a rich man's Matt Bonner with the #13 pick. Best case scenario we got a 7 foot Ryan Anderson.
In this draft, I'm fine with that.
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Yeah, I heard the same things about Adam Morrison who was from Gonzaga and a much better college player than Olynyk
You also didnt like sully last year didnt you?
Morrison had little chance to be a regular rotation guy in the nba. Maybe a specialist three pt guy in the mold of kyle korver, mike miller but not what was expected of him. Miracles ran out for him in the nba. Defense vs nba pfs is one thing but vs sfs is another. Just so much quicker and most can shoot the ball.
If olynyk was only 6'9-6-10 i be the first one to say he would b a bad pick. But at 7ft and his skillset, he posseses some nice adv than many nba pfs. Most are only about 6'9-6-10 and the taller ones are not that quick nor skilled
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does anyone think that Kelly could play the three and Green could slide down to the 2? I see Kelly as a facilitator type of point forward with an excellent shot.
Rondo
Green
Olynyk
Sullinger
big rebounding center - Iverson? - FA
We would certainly field a very big team ... for a change ...
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does anyone think that Kelly could play the three and Green could slide down to the 2? I see Kelly as a facilitator type of point forward with an excellent shot.
Rondo
Green
Olynyk
Sullinger
big rebounding center - Iverson? - FA
We would certainly field a very big team ... for a change ...
Not likely, unless he gets nowitzki quick at least. But if gets too skinny, he wont b able to play in the post much at all.
Id leave him as a stretch 4. I see olynyk as another brad miller. Liked brad millers game alot when he was in the nba
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does anyone think that Kelly could play the three and Green could slide down to the 2?
LOL, he is a marginal athlete, there would be a lot of dust clouds going by him.
Rondo
Green
Olynyk
Sullinger
big rebounding center - Iverson? - FA
We 'd be favored to win the lotto with this lineup.
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does anyone think that Kelly could play the three and Green could slide down to the 2?
That is not sliding down.
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I posted some of the centers combine results on another thread and the things thought caught my attention were how similar his measurements were to the other elite prospects....he was criticized for having a short wingspan but his reach is 9ft...that's two inches taller then #4 Zeller.....the other thing that stuck out was his percentage of body fat...he 6.7 percent.....if he can work and turn that into muscle or just shed 14lbs of weight that would with out question improve some of his physical limitations.
Summer League will show us some of what he has...but the real indicator will be 2 years away...even Dirk (no I don't think he can be Dirk) had a rough rookie season.
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I posted some of the centers combine results on another thread and the things thought caught my attention were how similar his measurements were to the other elite prospects....he was criticized for having a short wingspan but his reach is 9ft...that's two inches taller then #4 Zeller.....the other thing that stuck out was his percentage of body fat...he 6.7 percent.....if he can work and turn that into muscle or just shed 14lbs of weight that would with out question improve some of his physical limitations.
Summer League will show us some of what he has...but the real indicator will be 2 years away...even Dirk (no I don't think he can be Dirk) had a rough rookie season.
http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/070113-key-decisions-led-olynyk-iverson-boston
I've posted this yesterday.
Not a particularly amazing read but Olynyk and Colton Iverson both redshirted just to be better.
Olynyk gained muscle, improved his skills and conditioning.
Both are basically opposites of Eddy Curry. Not too talented but seem to work super hard. I'm sure they'd go far.
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I wonder how much influence brad stevens had directly or indirectly in celts choosing olynyk. He faced him several times this year and olynyk did well against butler
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I posted some of the centers combine results on another thread and the things thought caught my attention were how similar his measurements were to the other elite prospects....he was criticized for having a short wingspan but his reach is 9ft...that's two inches taller then #4 Zeller.....the other thing that stuck out was his percentage of body fat...he 6.7 percent.....if he can work and turn that into muscle or just shed 14lbs of weight that would with out question improve some of his physical limitations.
His wingspan was 6-9 ish. I didn't like the pick, I think he lacks athletic ability but now he is a Celtic I support him. 6% Body fat is fine. Dennis Rodman was not the tallest guy with the longest arms and best vertical but he rebounded fine with anticipation. I just hope Oly is half as smart as him.