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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: j804 on June 16, 2013, 12:07:48 AM
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I think that they will eventually.. Here is an article from other side via Los Angeles times.
The Clippers and Celtics had more discussions Saturday about a deal involving Boston Coach Doc Rivers and power forward Kevin Garnett both coming to Los Angeles, but the Clippers feel as if the current asking price is too high, said NBA executives who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.
The Celtics were asking the Clippers for center DeAndre Jordan, point guard Eric Bledsoe and first-round draft picks this year and in 2014 for Garnett and the right to hire Rivers, the executives said.
“The Clippers don’t want to do that,” one executive said.
The Clippers offered Jordan and a first-round pick either this year or next year, but Boston has refused that so far, the executives said.
The Clippers don’t want to trade Bledsoe, preferring to have the backup point guard available to exchange in future deals.
“The Clippers are not going to budge,” an executive said. “The Clippers don’t want to feel as if they are being taken advantage of. Boston wants to hurry up the deal because they know Doc wants to come to the Clippers.”
The Clippers would like to hire Rivers. He has three years remaining on his contract that pays him $7 million per year. NBA executives said Clippers owner Donald Sterling might be willing to pay Rivers $6 million a year over three years.
The Clippers also are being told that Garnett would be willing to waive his no-trade clause to join Rivers in Los Angeles, the executives said.
If the Clippers and Celtics can’t settle on a deal, L.A. plans on making an offer to either former Memphis coach Lionel Hollins or Indiana associate head coach Brian Shaw next week, the executives said.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-clippers-celtics-20130615,0,3570142.story
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Crazy. Yeah, wonder if Ainge will concede. Would giving up the picks make the difference?
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Bledsoe would be nice but if we can get Jordan and picks for KG's corpse and a coach who doesn't want to be here, we should do it.
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i read somewhere that they don't want to give Bledsoe AND a pick, but i was under the impression that they'd be fine with either DJ+2 picks or DJ+Bledsoe+pick.
if i were ainge, i'd make the deal for Bledsoe, Jordan and either one of the 2 first-rounders. and then somehow find a way to get Pierce to the Clippers while acquiring Josh Smith, or something.
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Bledsoe would be nice but if we can get Jordan and picks for KG's corpse and a coach who doesn't want to be here, we should do it.
Pass. KG in 2013 is better than Jordan
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Bledsoe would be nice but if we can get Jordan and picks for KG's corpse and a coach who doesn't want to be here, we should do it.
Pass. KG in 2013 is better than Jordan
It's about getting value for a player who is close to retirement. Not who is actually better for a contending team, since we are not.
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The deal LA want to hand the Celtics is:
1st round pick 2013 + Deandre Jordan + Caron Butler.
Oh forgot DOC as well.
The deal Celtics want is:
1st round pick 2013 + Deandre Jordan + Caron Butler + Eric Bledsoe + a future 1st round pick.
Oh forgot DOC as well.
I assume the last pick will be in 2015 after KG is gone and the team stinks it up again.
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Any team would like to hire Doc. He's a great coach. I just wanna know how does everyone know what Doc wants to do without him, anyone that covers tha Celtics, or anyone within tha Celtics organization coming out to say anything
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if they don't get bledsoe then tell them to p--- off. i think it's funny that the clippers would balk at freaking eric bledsoe . a title shot or bledsoe. what a joke. we're giving them a title opportunity and they haggle over garbage. i'm in favor of moving on, but this whole thing is going to give the celts nothing.
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Any team would like to hire Doc. He's a great coach. I just wanna know how does everyone know what Doc wants to do without him, anyone that covers tha Celtics, or anyone within tha Celtics organization coming out to say anything
I think DOC and DANNY are trying to do the Celtics a solid by getting LAC & CELTICS happy with the deal that is consummated.
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if they don't get bledsoe then tell them to p--- off. i think it's funny that the clippers would balk at freaking eric bledsoe . a title shot or bledsoe. what a joke. we're giving them a title opportunity and they haggle over garbage. i'm in favor of moving on, but this whole thing is going to give the celts nothing.
I was thinking the same thing, KG and Doc would change that whole culture around they're pretty stupid.
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I just want all this boo boo to end. This is more annoying than it is informing. I wonder if this is what Orlando fans felt like during tha "Dwightmare".
Looks like my boy Stephen A. was onto something tho.
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I just want all this boo boo to end. This is more annoying than it is informing. I wonder if this is what Orlando fans felt like during tha "Dwightmare".
Looks like my boy Stephen A. was onto something tho.
This is more annoying than being tied up in a metal chair while Stephen A Smith reads the Living section of the NY Times through a megaphone from 1 foot away.
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I just want all this boo boo to end. This is more annoying than it is informing. I wonder if this is what Orlando fans felt like during tha "Dwightmare".
Looks like my boy Stephen A. was onto something tho.
This is more annoying than being tied up in a metal chair while Stephen A Smith reads the Living section of the NY Times through a megaphone from 1 foot away.
Aha yeah I'd rather that than this mess with tha Clippers. I would even rather entertain Krook's (wherever he is) 50 trade scenarios a day than this.
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I just want all this boo boo to end. This is more annoying than it is informing. I wonder if this is what Orlando fans felt like during tha "Dwightmare".
Looks like my boy Stephen A. was onto something tho.
I mean... i guess so. Steven A suggested that we would get Blake Griffin for our elderlies. Looks like the most the Clippers are willing to give up is a 25 year old who makes 10 million a year and just averaged 3.7 points, 6.3 rebounds, 1.7 blocks in the playoffs. In return they are asking for us to give up our two best per-minute players, our star coach and the entire culture of the team.
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I just want all this boo boo to end. This is more annoying than it is informing. I wonder if this is what Orlando fans felt like during tha "Dwightmare".
Looks like my boy Stephen A. was onto something tho.
This is more annoying than being tied up in a metal chair while Stephen A Smith reads the Living section of the NY Times through a megaphone from 1 foot away.
Aha yeah I'd rather that than this mess with tha Clippers. I would even rather entertain Krook's (wherever he is) 50 trade scenarios a day than this.
Krook's probably in a joy coma over the idea that Shav'll get way more minutes now. ;D
I miss The Krook.
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So at least this isn't going to drag out any longer....
If neither side budges soon, sources close to the situation expect the Clippers to change course by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest and name either Lionel Hollins or Brian Shaw as their new coach
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9391832
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If Danny doesn't give. At least he can say he tried. Still have Memphis interested in Doc.
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If they want affalo so bad then get Orlando in this for a three way. We send KG to LA for Deandre and a unprotected pick in 2014.And the 2nd pick in this draft.
LA gets KG Affalo and 2nd rd pick from Orlando.
Orlando gets Eric Beldsoe and Celtics 16th pick this year.
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If they want affalo so bad then get Orlando in this for a three way. We send KG to LA for Deandre and a unprotected pick in 2014.And the 2nd pick in this draft.
LA gets KG Affalo and 2nd rd pick from Orlando.
Orlando gets Eric Beldsoe and Celtics 16th pick this year.
helll no
so we don't get Bledsoe , but also only get one first round pick back from LA( likely mid 20's) , and we also give up our draft pick this year ?
That's awful
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If Danny doesn't give. At least he can say he tried. Still have Memphis interested in Doc.
that would be deserving....... a huge pay cut.......
Send Doc to Orlando....to fall on his face
good riddance
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If Danny doesn't give. At least he can say he tried. Still have Memphis interested in Doc.
too bad Danny can't dangle Doc at trade deadlines.
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If they want affalo so bad then get Orlando in this for a three way. We send KG to LA for Deandre and a unprotected pick in 2014.And the 2nd pick in this draft.
LA gets KG Affalo and 2nd rd pick from Orlando.
Orlando gets Eric Beldsoe and Celtics 16th pick this year.
helll no
so we don't get Bledsoe , but also only get one first round pick back from LA( likely mid 20's) , and we also give up our draft pick this year ?
That's awful
Ok one it gets up Macklemore who will probably end up being better then bledsoe also yes the clippers pick wouldn't be anything to brag about but combined with our pick next year which would probably be a lotto pick is nice for trade options.
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Danny should absolutely not budge nor waiver. At all. Make the Clippers pay his price or move on. Hold firm Danny. I'd rather have Doc and KG rather than Bledsoe and Jordan. I don't get the hype about either.
DeMarcus Cousins will be a much better NBA player than Bledsoe or Joran anyhow.
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If that's the case Ainge should tell them to go pound sand.
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... Steven A suggested that we would get Blake Griffin for our elderlies. Looks like the most the Clippers are willing to give up is a 25 year old who makes 10 million a year and just averaged 3.7 points, 6.3 rebounds, 1.7 blocks in the playoffs. In return they are asking for us to give up our two best per-minute players, our star coach and the entire culture of the team.
Steven A. Smith's pretense the Celtic's could possibly get Blake Griffin in the deal strikes me as dishonest. He knows that isn't gonna happen, and he wouldn't want it too because he's an LA fan and could care less about Boston once Doc leaves.
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What point of Dwight not being available does LA not understand? The LAL, according to sources, WON'T trade Howard to the LAC. They don't need Bledsoe to get Howard because they're not getting Howard.
To me, this is an easy decision for both teams. For the LAC, it immediately makes them title contenders. For us, it helps us "kickstart" our rebuild.
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Big question is will Danny budge?
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This isn't a case of getting "something" for KG before he leaves. A big part of the equation is whether we are better off holding onto KG another year, hope he retires next year when Pierce is up, and then have his expiring money to spend on a FA in 2014. So it really comes down to (if Bledsoe and more are not involved), what has more value Jordan and a first rounder or KG's money in 2014 (not to mention another year of our youngsters playing in the culture that KG brings to the C's).
Without sweeteners like Bledsoe, I think I opt for the latter.
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I think Danny is playing it correctly and I think we are in a decent position right now -- asking for a deal that would be decent value and refusing a deal that would not be.
If the Clips don't budge (to me budging is adding EB), I believe there would still be other scenarios that could jump-start the rebuild process at least at well as the Clips current offer. If the Clips do budge, the haul for Doc and KG in terms of assets is a decent start to the rebuild effort IMO.
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Screw them. Bledsoe or bust.
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This isn't a case of getting "something" for KG before he leaves. A big part of the equation is whether we are better off holding onto KG another year, hope he retires next year when Pierce is up, and then have his expiring money to spend on a FA in 2014. So it really comes down to (if Bledsoe and more are not involved), what had more value Jordan and a first rounder of KG's money in 2014 (not to mention another year of our youngsters playing in the culture that KG brings to the C's).
Without sweeteners like Bledsoe, I think I opt for the latter.
I honestly believe this is our best option. With Rondo and Sullinger we definitely would've gone a lot further in the playoffs. Run it back and have cap space for the massive free agent market of '14.
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So at least this isn't going to drag out any longer....
If neither side budges soon, sources close to the situation expect the Clippers to change course by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest and name either Lionel Hollins or Brian Shaw as their new coach
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9391832
That is bad news for Boston. Not enough time.
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My source ...called common sense ...tells me ...... DA is not going back away from his offer either. He has NO REASON to.....just play out PP and KG and reload with better assets than second string Jordon .and 20 something awful picks.
Clippers have to budge IF they want to keep CP3 from following DH whereever he lands.
I Sooooooooooooooooooooo hope DH goes to Houston or Atlanta who have stable coaching and takes CP3 and old man RIvers never smells another championship and is run off from Boston for good.
Either the Clippers bow to the demands or stand a pretty good chance of losing CP3 , in which the traitor Rivers would probally not want the job ;D..... and he is sent packing for Orlando by DA and Wyc
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Doc rivers is an overrated fraud who wants to quit on the Celtics in favor of the most ghastly franchise ever.
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I don't think the Clippers are going to budge.
They walked away from this deal at the trade deadline. And rightly so.
Deal makes even less sense now given that KG is another year older, they just missed out on his best remaining campaign, and, Boston is upping their demands by asking for two firsts for the inclusion of Doc.
Why make a worse deal 4-5 months after rejecting it? It didn't make sense for the Clippers then and it makes even less sense now.
I would be shocked if the Clippers came back and agree to this deal. Then again, they are the Clippers for the season (bad management/ownership). One can hope, right?
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I don't think the Clippers are going to budge.
They walked away from this deal at the trade deadline. And rightly so.
Deal makes even less sense now given that KG is another year older, they just missed out on his best remaining campaign, and, Boston is upping their demands by asking for two firsts for the inclusion of Doc.
Why make a worse deal 4-5 months after rejecting it? It didn't make sense for the Clippers then and it makes even less sense now.
I would be shocked if the Clippers came back and agree to this deal. Then again, they are the Clippers for the season (bad management/ownership). One can hope, right?
You have no idea if that was kgs best remaining campaign..he could have a resurgent year like he did a season before last or like Duncan this year....not to mention the change of culture or the influence he could have on Griffin....frankly they would be idiotic not to do this deal. Title chance for the worst franchise ever..or 2 average role players
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Why make a worse deal 4-5 months after rejecting it? It didn't make sense for the Clippers then and it makes even less sense now.
Because, if they DON'T make this deal, they'll lose Doc, KG, possibly Pierce, and Chris Paul, since Howard isn't going anywhere.
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It's poker folks, let's see who is bluffing or if they both fold.
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This isn't a case of getting "something" for KG before he leaves. A big part of the equation is whether we are better off holding onto KG another year, hope he retires next year when Pierce is up, and then have his expiring money to spend on a FA in 2014. So it really comes down to (if Bledsoe and more are not involved), what had more value Jordan and a first rounder of KG's money in 2014 (not to mention another year of our youngsters playing in the culture that KG brings to the C's).
Without sweeteners like Bledsoe, I think I opt for the latter.
I honestly believe this is our best option. With Rondo and Sullinger we definitely would've gone a lot further in the playoffs. Run it back and have cap space for the massive free agent market of '14.
Yeah, we may not win the championship, but we get another year with our hall of famers and then cap space. The DJ/Bledsoe deal is definitely my preference, but without Bledsoe, I don't know what direction we are going...
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Tade KG and Doc for Bledsoe and Jordan..forget the picks b/c they be in the mid 20's anyways
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Bledsoe or bust!
If we're losing Doc and KG, Bledsoe better be involved. The draft picks mean nothing in this deal. At this time Bledsoe is the most talented player involved in the deal. You don't give up one of the most respected coaches in the league and the heart of your defense for an overpaid young center and late first round draft picks.
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Aren't they basically just trying to get Chris Paul's ok? We hear the clippers this and the clippers that, but it seems to me that the "stall" is just the part where they call up Chris Paul and say "if we get you Griffin, Garnett, and coach Rivers, will you extend with us and stop this Dwight Howard talk?" and then they wait for an answer.
If Paul says ok, I seriously doubt Bledsoe is the sticking point. Paul doesn't think Bledsoe should be stuck behind him on the depth chart and has said as much.
The Clippers must be pretending there's some kind of crazy plan B where they don't have assurances from Chris Paul. That's never going to get done, though.
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Bledsoe would be nice but if we can get Jordan and picks for KG's corpse and a coach who doesn't want to be here, we should do it.
Pass. KG in 2013 is better than Jordan
Totally pass. Terrible trade.
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No Griffin, no deal.
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So at least this isn't going to drag out any longer....
If neither side budges soon, sources close to the situation expect the Clippers to change course by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest and name either Lionel Hollins or Brian Shaw as their new coach
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9391832
That is bad news for Boston. Not enough time.
I don't see why it's bad news for Boston. We are not the ones that need to make this deal. If it doesn't happen, we still have options and are rebuilding either way. The Clippers however are screwed if it doesn't happen, because Chris Paul clearly wants Doc and KG, and he will walk unless they somehow come up with another comparable trade at the last minute. LA will in no way trade them Dwight Howard, and getting Afflialo or Granger for Bledsoe is not nearly enough to convince Paul to re-sign.
Ainge has them backed into a corner, he should refuse to deal unless they give us Bledsoe, Jordan, and both picks. The only possible compromise I would consider is making it one first rounder instead of 2 but making that 1st rounder an unprotected 2014 1st.
If the Clippers don't like it, tell them good luck introducing Hollins or Shaw to Chris Paul.
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No Griffin, no deal.
and then we can trade Pierce and the two picks for Lebron
The Clippers are balking at including Bledsoe, and Forsberg called Ainge's request for Jordna, Bledsoe, and picks a "king's ransom". Do you really think Griffin's name ever came up by either team?
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So at least this isn't going to drag out any longer....
If neither side budges soon, sources close to the situation expect the Clippers to change course by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest and name either Lionel Hollins or Brian Shaw as their new coach
http://m.espn.go.com/nba/story?storyId=9391832
That is bad news for Boston. Not enough time.
I don't see why it's bad news for Boston. We are not the ones that need to make this deal. If it doesn't happen, we still have options and are rebuilding either way. The Clippers however are screwed if it doesn't happen, because Chris Paul clearly wants Doc and KG, and he will walk unless they somehow come up with another comparable trade at the last minute. LA will in no way trade them Dwight Howard, and getting Afflialo or Granger for Bledsoe is not nearly enough to convince Paul to re-sign.
Ainge has them backed into a corner, he should refuse to deal unless they give us Bledsoe, Jordan, and both picks. The only possible compromise I would consider is making it one first rounder instead of 2 but making that 1st rounder an unprotected 2014 1st.
If the Clippers don't like it, tell them good luck introducing Hollins or Shaw to Chris Paul.
If we are going to waive Pierce I think the two first rounders should be non-negotiable. There's no way a free-agent Pierce doesn't sign with LAC if Danny and Doc are already on board. Otherwise I agree with you, although an unprotected future pick is probably more valuable then a 2014 pick coming from the Clippers (likely be 24-30 range).
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I don't think the Clippers are going to budge.
They walked away from this deal at the trade deadline. And rightly so.
Deal makes even less sense now given that KG is another year older, they just missed out on his best remaining campaign, and, Boston is upping their demands by asking for two firsts for the inclusion of Doc.
Why make a worse deal 4-5 months after rejecting it? It didn't make sense for the Clippers then and it makes even less sense now.
I would be shocked if the Clippers came back and agree to this deal. Then again, they are the Clippers for the season (bad management/ownership). One can hope, right?
They only walked away because Garnett told them he wouldn't report.
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I don't think the Clippers are going to budge.
They walked away from this deal at the trade deadline. And rightly so.
Deal makes even less sense now given that KG is another year older, they just missed out on his best remaining campaign, and, Boston is upping their demands by asking for two firsts for the inclusion of Doc.
Why make a worse deal 4-5 months after rejecting it? It didn't make sense for the Clippers then and it makes even less sense now.
I would be shocked if the Clippers came back and agree to this deal. Then again, they are the Clippers for the season (bad management/ownership). One can hope, right?
They only walked away because Garnett told them he wouldn't report.
I do think Garnett not being enthused about making the deal could've been a major hurdle, but from reports from Clipper land, ownership and management were never on board with including Bledsoe in the deal, and it was VDN really pushing for it.
VDN isn't there anymore, management is, and so is Donald Sterling.
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I think your gonna hear these talks pickup later tonight and in to tomorrow when it gets finalized. I see the Clippers caving after realizing they aren't going to get Dwight Howard. Unless they plan on keeping DJ and Bledsoe and throwing Griffin in as well to get Dwight to the Clips. But thats to much.
All in all again i think it gets done. To much has happened for Doc to be able to come back to Boston now.
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im not really sure how a low frst rounder, a Center who couldnt play in cruchtime and a backup point guard is a kings ransom when in return you are getting
kevin garnett..a starting center who can average 15ppg, Paul pierce who can average 18ppg and Doc rivers one of the top coaches in the nba
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The Clippers are not going to win. Anything. Anytime soon. Not enough relevant bigs.
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This is doc vs Ainge now. Doc wants to keep Bledsoe. Ainge wants him. Ultimately I think doc realizes the only way he gets to coach kg another year or two is in clipperland and the only way that happens is if Bledsoe becomes a Celtic.
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This is doc vs Ainge now. Doc wants to keep Bledsoe. Ainge wants him. Ultimately I think doc realizes the only way he gets to coach kg another year or two is in clipperland and the only way that happens is if Bledsoe becomes a Celtic.
Is there a report for this or is this a hunch?
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This is doc vs Ainge now. Doc wants to keep Bledsoe. Ainge wants him. Ultimately I think doc realizes the only way he gets to coach kg another year or two is in clipperland and the only way that happens is if Bledsoe becomes a Celtic.
Is there a report for this or is this a hunch?
Woj posted a major reason the Clips are hesitant to give bledsoe to the Celts is because Doc made it clear to them he wants to coach both CP3/Bledsoe.
he's basically trying to dictate who they give up for him..
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All in all again i think it gets done. To much has happened for Doc to be able to come back to Boston now.
This ! doc has burned his bridges trying leave the henhouse with the chickens under his arm.
If I was one of the remaining Celtics.......aka. Rondo....I would be steaming hot.
So yeah , I betting Rivers is history , wha if anything we get for him remains to be seen , if he wants out of his contract
That smoke saying that DA will take Doc back is smoke.... to prop up Doc value more.....
Let's go for Bird as GM. .....get a new coach and forget Rivers forever.
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This is doc vs Ainge now. Doc wants to keep Bledsoe. Ainge wants him. Ultimately I think doc realizes the only way he gets to coach kg another year or two is in clipperland and the only way that happens is if Bledsoe becomes a Celtic.
Is there a report for this or is this a hunch?
Rivers has delivered word to Clippers management that they shouldn't include Bledsoe into a package for him, that he wants to coach him in Los Angeles, sources said. Yahoo! Sports
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Oh wow screw you Doc. Screw you so hard.
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Oh wow screw you Doc. Screw you so hard.
I think everyone should chill until we hear Doc's side of things.
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Oh wow screw you Doc. Screw you so hard.
well said ....... TP!
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Also there was an interesting Tweet from Jeff Green the other day saying I dont think i can take another broken promise why do thing the hard way we you can just be honest. I wonder if that is directed at Doc? It was probably nothing but i love reading into things.
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If anything, I would put MORE demands on the Clippers, they are desperate to keep CP3 and get KG
I would makem take Lee and Jet for Butler as well as the other demands......I say hammer Doc and his new team ...show em no mercy
Doc has jumped ship, he is working against the Celtics now and apparently proud of it......
For Danny to save face , we need a CLEAR. awesome haul. of assets as compensation for this awful mess of Clippers, CP3 and loser supreme Glen the hand Rivers.
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Oh wow screw you Doc. Screw you so hard.
I think everyone should chill until we hear Doc's side of things.
we aren't going to hear his side of things that's why he hasn't said squat
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Honestly... This is getting ridiculous. There has not been one legitimate quote from ANYONE from either organization! People are willing to fire their GM and coach because "sources said." Do you have any idea how outrageous that is?
In other totally unrelated news, sources said if you don't send me a thousand dollars by tomorrow you will face ruin.
UPDATE: Multiple sources have confirmed that if you don't send me a thousand dollars by tomorrow you will face unavoidable and irreversible ruin.
One person in the know said that the sources are completely reliable and trustworthy. He went on to say "you have to be completely stupid NOT to send Yogi a thousand dollars... completely stupid."
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UPDATE: Multiple sources have confirmed that if you don't send me a thousand dollars by tomorrow you will face unavoidable and irreversible ruin.
WOW! I am not one to perpetuate unsubstantiated rumors... but there can't be smoke without fire right?
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Report: Lakers still want Dwight Howard but keeping options open
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22441708/report-lakers-want-to-keep-dwight-howard-or-maintain-flexibility
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Safe to say this deal isn't happening.
I think it's also safe to say these "talks" never had any legs to begin with.
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Safe to say this deal isn't happening.
I think it's also safe to say these "talks" never had any legs to begin with.
How did they not have legs to begin with?
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Honestly... This is getting ridiculous. There has not been one legitimate quote from ANYONE from either organization! People are willing to fire their GM and coach because "sources said." Do you have any idea how outrageous that is?
In other totally unrelated news, sources said if you don't send me a thousand dollars by tomorrow you will face ruin.
UPDATE: Multiple sources have confirmed that if you don't send me a thousand dollars by tomorrow you will face unavoidable and irreversible ruin.
One person in the know said that the sources are completely reliable and trustworthy. He went on to say "you have to be completely stupid NOT to send Yogi a thousand dollars... completely stupid."
Who should we send our bank PIN numbers to?!?!?!
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Safe to say this deal isn't happening.
I think it's also safe to say these "talks" never had any legs to begin with.
This deal def had legs. Yesterday with these rumors flying all day I thought it was gonna be done yesterday
Clippers want to keep Bledsoe so they could use him in another trade
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That's part of any strategy, try to manipulate Infoseek and screw opponent's mind. I won't be surprised that the so called "Doc wants to coach Bledsoe" is just throwing a dagger at Ainge to test him.
Please guys try not to fall for those cheapo comments.
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If the Clippers aren't budging, and Danny isn't willing to loosen his grip on Bledsoe's inclusion, then just stop negotiating the deal.
It's getting annoying.
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Safe to say this deal isn't happening.
I think it's also safe to say these "talks" never had any legs to begin with.
How did they not have legs to begin with?
Because it seems to me that the Clippers "interest" in KG and even Doc to a certain extent seems very overblown.
As in, they'd be willing to offer a crap package for both but when Ainge starts asking for real players, the Clippers tuck their tail between their legs and run.
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Honestly... This is getting ridiculous. There has not been one legitimate quote from ANYONE from either organization! People are willing to fire their GM and coach because "sources said." Do you have any idea how outrageous that is?
In other totally unrelated news, sources said if you don't send me a thousand dollars by tomorrow you will face ruin.
UPDATE: Multiple sources have confirmed that if you don't send me a thousand dollars by tomorrow you will face unavoidable and irreversible ruin.
One person in the know said that the sources are completely reliable and trustworthy. He went on to say "you have to be completely stupid NOT to send Yogi a thousand dollars... completely stupid."
Who should we send our bank PIN numbers to?!?!?!
PM me! I have Stephen A. Smith and Bill Simmons standing by. Quickly before the Clippers hire Brian Shaw!
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if they don't get bledsoe then tell them to p--- off. i think it's funny that the clippers would balk at freaking eric bledsoe . a title shot or bledsoe. what a joke. we're giving them a title opportunity and they haggle over garbage. i'm in favor of moving on, but this whole thing is going to give the celts nothing.
Well that's just the problem. I am not so convinced that a 37 year old KG and Doc Rivers instantly makes the Clippers a title contender and it looks like the Clippers themselves aren't convinced of that either.
Otherwise, they'd be willing to offer Jordan, Eric Bledsoe and hell, even Drew Bledsoe ;D
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Oh wow screw you Doc. Screw you so hard.
I am appalled by IP saying this. :-X
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This is almost like when Pitino wouldn't include Eric Williams in a deal for Scottie Pippen.
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At this point, I think the only way this can be salvaged is if a 3rd team gets involved.
As reports state, the Clippers are also very interested in Aaron Afflalo from Orlando and Danny Granger from Indy.
So, the Celtics could conceivably try for one of these two trades (both 3 team deals.)
1.)Boston/Clippers/Orlando
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lon2qt3
Celts get - Jameer Nelson, Deandre Jordan, Caron Butler, Orlando's 2013 1st round pick (Ben McLemore), Clippers future 1st and 11 million trade exception from Orlando
Orlando gets - Rondo and Bledsoe
Clippers get - KG and Afflalo
2.)Boston/Clippers/Pacers
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxvja3c
Celts get - Bledsoe, Butler, Jordan, future 1st from Clippers and Indiana's 2013 1st round draft pick.
Clippers get - KG, Danny Granger and Lance Stephenson
Pacers get - Rondo and Avery Bradley.
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That's poor value for Rondo. We don't need to trade him just to make the Clippers deal work.
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At this point, I think the only way this can be salvaged is if a 3rd team gets involved.
As reports state, the Clippers are also very interested in Aaron Afflalo from Orlando and Danny Granger from Indy.
So, the Celtics could conceivably try for one of these two trades (both 3 team deals.)
1.)Boston/Clippers/Orlando
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lon2qt3
Celts get - Jameer Nelson, Deandre Jordan, Caron Butler, Orlando's 2013 1st round pick (Ben McLemore), Clippers future 1st and 11 million trade exception from Orlando
Orlando gets - Rondo and Bledsoe
Clippers get - KG and Afflalo
2.)Boston/Clippers/Pacers
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxvja3c
Celts get - Bledsoe, Butler, Jordan, future 1st from Clippers and Indiana's 2013 1st round draft pick.
Clippers get - KG, Danny Granger and Lance Stephenson
Pacers get - Rondo and Avery Bradley.
I'm not sure what that's trying to salvage other than being terrible.
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The deal LA want to hand the Celtics is:
1st round pick 2013 + Deandre Jordan + Caron Butler.
Oh forgot DOC as well.
The deal Celtics want is:
1st round pick 2013 + Deandre Jordan + Caron Butler + Eric Bledsoe + a future 1st round pick.
Oh forgot DOC as well.
I assume the last pick will be in 2015 after KG is gone and the team stinks it up again.
Celtics want too much Clips too little. If you are rebuilding why not go with 2 firsts, Jordan and Butler. Assume Bulter is needed to make the numbers work. They will get Pierce when the Celtics buy him out so they don't need Butler. Bledsoe would be redundant if we keep Rondo. Would rather get some pieces we can use to get a Center and then get a backup PG in Free Agency.
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The deal LA want to hand the Celtics is:
1st round pick 2013 + Deandre Jordan + Caron Butler.
Oh forgot DOC as well.
The deal Celtics want is:
1st round pick 2013 + Deandre Jordan + Caron Butler + Eric Bledsoe + a future 1st round pick.
Oh forgot DOC as well.
I assume the last pick will be in 2015 after KG is gone and the team stinks it up again.
Celtics want too much Clips too little. If you are rebuilding why not go with 2 firsts, Jordan and Butler. Assume Bulter is needed to make the numbers work. They will get Pierce when the Celtics buy him out so they don't need Butler. Bledsoe would be redundant if we keep Rondo. Would rather get some pieces we can use to get a Center and then get a backup PG in Free Agency.
bledsoe or bust. butler is garbage
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Celtics and clippers didnt talk about any trade today
Wojo
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Celtics and clippers didnt talk about any trade today
Wojo
If I'm Ainge I'm only receiving calls. Not making any calls if I'm him to clipperland at all.
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It's a good idea to get rid of Doc...get Bledsoe and draft Schroeder and dump Rondo. Big improvement.
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The deal LA want to hand the Celtics is:
1st round pick 2013 + Deandre Jordan + Caron Butler.
Oh forgot DOC as well.
The deal Celtics want is:
1st round pick 2013 + Deandre Jordan + Caron Butler + Eric Bledsoe + a future 1st round pick.
Oh forgot DOC as well.
I assume the last pick will be in 2015 after KG is gone and the team stinks it up again.
Celtics want too much Clips too little. If you are rebuilding why not go with 2 firsts, Jordan and Butler. Assume Bulter is needed to make the numbers work. They will get Pierce when the Celtics buy him out so they don't need Butler. Bledsoe would be redundant if we keep Rondo. Would rather get some pieces we can use to get a Center and then get a backup PG in Free Agency.
bledsoe or bust. butler is garbage
We want Butler because he's an expiring deal. It's got nothing to do with him playing for us. He's a great trade asset. Just like DeAndre Jordan in 2 years except Jordan has a bit of upside playing with Rondo.
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At this point, I think the only way this can be salvaged is if a 3rd team gets involved.
As reports state, the Clippers are also very interested in Aaron Afflalo from Orlando and Danny Granger from Indy.
So, the Celtics could conceivably try for one of these two trades (both 3 team deals.)
1.)Boston/Clippers/Orlando
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lon2qt3
Celts get - Jameer Nelson, Deandre Jordan, Caron Butler, Orlando's 2013 1st round pick (Ben McLemore), Clippers future 1st and 11 million trade exception from Orlando
Orlando gets - Rondo and Bledsoe
Clippers get - KG and Afflalo
2.)Boston/Clippers/Pacers
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lxvja3c
Celts get - Bledsoe, Butler, Jordan, future 1st from Clippers and Indiana's 2013 1st round draft pick.
Clippers get - KG, Danny Granger and Lance Stephenson
Pacers get - Rondo and Avery Bradley.
Seems like a pretty laid back way to dump Rondo. I can see getting Orlando involved, but only so Clips can get Afflalo, Orl gets Bledsoe, and we get a guy like Harkless.
No way do I want to get rid of Rondo for anything less than someone spectacular.
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Doc Rivers hasn't ruled out "taking some time off" to resume his broadcasting career, before eventually returning as an NBA coach.
For the moment, talks about a potential deal freeing Doc to sign with the Clippers have stalled. The Celtics owe him $21 million over the next three seasons, which is a lot of cash to walk away from, but it remains a distinct possibility.
Source:
CSNNE.com
Trying to force the celtics to take the deal without bledsoe
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Doc Rivers hasn't ruled out "taking some time off" to resume his broadcasting career, before eventually returning as an NBA coach.
For the moment, talks about a potential deal freeing Doc to sign with the Clippers have stalled. The Celtics owe him $21 million over the next three seasons, which is a lot of cash to walk away from, but it remains a distinct possibility.
Source:
CSNNE.com
Trying to force the celtics to take the deal without bledsoe
Yup. I've come around on this. I think Doc and possibly KG want to leave. If I were Danny, I'd take the Jordan and draft pick offer and run.
The hell with Eric Bledsoe.
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Doc Rivers hasn't ruled out "taking some time off" to resume his broadcasting career, before eventually returning as an NBA coach.
For the moment, talks about a potential deal freeing Doc to sign with the Clippers have stalled. The Celtics owe him $21 million over the next three seasons, which is a lot of cash to walk away from, but it remains a distinct possibility.
Source:
CSNNE.com
Trying to force the celtics to take the deal without bledsoe
Yup. I've come around on this. I think Doc and possibly KG want to leave. If I were Danny, I'd take the Jordan and draft pick offer and run.
The hell with Eric Bledsoe.
no way. let rivers go to tv. you don't need a 7 million dollar coach for this team anyway. kg can play or retire. jordan and a late first round pick is pointless. barely assets.
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Doc Rivers hasn't ruled out "taking some time off" to resume his broadcasting career, before eventually returning as an NBA coach.
For the moment, talks about a potential deal freeing Doc to sign with the Clippers have stalled. The Celtics owe him $21 million over the next three seasons, which is a lot of cash to walk away from, but it remains a distinct possibility.
Source:
CSNNE.com
Trying to force the celtics to take the deal without bledsoe
Yup. I've come around on this. I think Doc and possibly KG want to leave. If I were Danny, I'd take the Jordan and draft pick offer and run.
The hell with Eric Bledsoe.
no way. let rivers go to tv. you don't need a 7 million dollar coach for this team anyway. kg can play or retire. jordan and a late first round pick is pointless. barely assets.
So then if Doc does TV and KG retires, why not at least try to get something for them.
I think Jordan and a draft pick is better than either having a disgruntled KG/Doc that don't want to be here and/or losing them altogether.
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Doc Rivers hasn't ruled out "taking some time off" to resume his broadcasting career, before eventually returning as an NBA coach.
For the moment, talks about a potential deal freeing Doc to sign with the Clippers have stalled. The Celtics owe him $21 million over the next three seasons, which is a lot of cash to walk away from, but it remains a distinct possibility.
Source:
CSNNE.com
Trying to force the celtics to take the deal without bledsoe
Yup. I've come around on this. I think Doc and possibly KG want to leave. If I were Danny, I'd take the Jordan and draft pick offer and run.
The hell with Eric Bledsoe.
no way. let rivers go to tv. you don't need a 7 million dollar coach for this team anyway. kg can play or retire. jordan and a late first round pick is pointless. barely assets.
So then if Doc does TV and KG retires, why not at least try to get something for them.
I think Jordan and a draft pick is better than either having a disgruntled KG/Doc that don't want to be here and/or losing them altogether.
If you want to run a team, you can't let people force you into making moves. Ainge is going into rebuilding mode anyway, if the Clippers don't want to meet his price, he should let KG retire and Doc go to the broadcasting booth. No need to do the Clippers any favors.
Once you cave to pressure as a GM, you set a precedence and other GMs will look to get you to cave in future deals.
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Doc Rivers hasn't ruled out "taking some time off" to resume his broadcasting career, before eventually returning as an NBA coach.
For the moment, talks about a potential deal freeing Doc to sign with the Clippers have stalled. The Celtics owe him $21 million over the next three seasons, which is a lot of cash to walk away from, but it remains a distinct possibility.
Source:
CSNNE.com
Trying to force the celtics to take the deal without bledsoe
Yup. I've come around on this. I think Doc and possibly KG want to leave. If I were Danny, I'd take the Jordan and draft pick offer and run.
The hell with Eric Bledsoe.
no way. let rivers go to tv. you don't need a 7 million dollar coach for this team anyway. kg can play or retire. jordan and a late first round pick is pointless. barely assets.
So then if Doc does TV and KG retires, why not at least try to get something for them.
I think Jordan and a draft pick is better than either having a disgruntled KG/Doc that don't want to be here and/or losing them altogether.
If you want to run a team, you can't let people force you into making moves. Ainge is going into rebuilding mode anyway, if the Clippers don't want to meet his price, he should let KG retire and Doc go to the broadcasting booth. No need to do the Clippers any favors.
Once you cave to pressure as a GM, you set a precedence and other GMs will look to get you to cave in future deals.
Ding ding ding.... :)
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I hope they don't budge. It is a horrible deal for Boston
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Doc Rivers hasn't ruled out "taking some time off" to resume his broadcasting career, before eventually returning as an NBA coach.
For the moment, talks about a potential deal freeing Doc to sign with the Clippers have stalled. The Celtics owe him $21 million over the next three seasons, which is a lot of cash to walk away from, but it remains a distinct possibility.
Source:
CSNNE.com
Trying to force the celtics to take the deal without bledsoe
Yup. I've come around on this. I think Doc and possibly KG want to leave. If I were Danny, I'd take the Jordan and draft pick offer and run.
The hell with Eric Bledsoe.
no way. let rivers go to tv. you don't need a 7 million dollar coach for this team anyway. kg can play or retire. jordan and a late first round pick is pointless. barely assets.
So then if Doc does TV and KG retires, why not at least try to get something for them.
I think Jordan and a draft pick is better than either having a disgruntled KG/Doc that don't want to be here and/or losing them altogether.
If you want to run a team, you can't let people force you into making moves. Ainge is going into rebuilding mode anyway, if the Clippers don't want to meet his price, he should let KG retire and Doc go to the broadcasting booth. No need to do the Clippers any favors.
Once you cave to pressure as a GM, you set a precedence and other GMs will look to get you to cave in future deals.
Well said, def agree, cant act weak