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Title: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: csfansince60s on June 14, 2013, 10:37:28 AM
Jeff has an article on this on the front page, but didn't see it in the forums until I stumbled across a post by j804 in the Cs/Clipps mutual interest thread (+1 to j804).

I thought, because it was pretty specific, it might deserve its own thread, but mods feel free to merge it with another.

From Jeff's article from masslive via the Globe:

Quote
"A possible package could include Rivers and the 37-year-old Garnett heading to the Clippers," wrote Holmes, "with point guard Eric Bledsoe, center DeAndre Jordan, and two first-round draft picks heading to the Celtics."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2013_doc_7.html

I don't know about you guys, but I do this in a heartbeat. Then PP for other assets/picks and we're off on the rebuild. Fast.

Love to see it happen.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: CelticConcourse on June 14, 2013, 10:39:37 AM
KG is never leaving us!!! NOOO
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Evantime34 on June 14, 2013, 10:40:36 AM
Jeff has an article on this on the front page, but didn't see it in the forums until I stumbled across a post by j804 in the Cs/Clipps mutual interest thread (+1 to j804).

I thought, because it was pretty specific, it might deserve its own thread, but mods feel free to merge it with another.

From Jeff's article from masslive via the Globe:

Quote
"A possible package could include Rivers and the 37-year-old Garnett heading to the Clippers," wrote Holmes, "with point guard Eric Bledsoe, center DeAndre Jordan, and two first-round draft picks heading to the Celtics."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2013_doc_7.html

I don't know about you guys, but I do this in a heartbeat. Then PP for other assets/picks and we're off on the rebuild.

Love to see it happen.
His rumor doesn't include Pierce. If we could get Jordan Bledsoe and 2 first for Doc and Kg, then grab another first for Pierce, the rebuild would be quicker than originally anticipated.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: wdleehi on June 14, 2013, 10:41:47 AM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: CelticConcourse on June 14, 2013, 10:41:51 AM
So we'll be rebuilding with Bass/Lee/Terry? :)
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: rondohondo on June 14, 2013, 10:43:41 AM
Jeff has an article on this on the front page, but didn't see it in the forums until I stumbled across a post by j804 in the Cs/Clipps mutual interest thread (+1 to j804).

I thought, because it was pretty specific, it might deserve its own thread, but mods feel free to merge it with another.

From Jeff's article from masslive via the Globe:

Quote
"A possible package could include Rivers and the 37-year-old Garnett heading to the Clippers," wrote Holmes, "with point guard Eric Bledsoe, center DeAndre Jordan, and two first-round draft picks heading to the Celtics."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2013_doc_7.html

I don't know about you guys, but I do this in a heartbeat. Then PP for other assets/picks and we're off on the rebuild.

Love to see it happen.

send them all to a 3rd team for a bigger star .

Melo, Sully, Bledsoe or Bradley 2014 clippers pick
Cousins coming back
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: wdleehi on June 14, 2013, 10:44:31 AM
So we'll be rebuilding with Bass/Lee/Terry? :)


No.  Those are the guys they should be pushing to move.  Not KG and Pierce.


Let them retire next year and open up cap flexibility.  Move all the other minor cap issues.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Lucky17 on June 14, 2013, 10:45:58 AM
I don't get it: Clipper brass killed VDN's wish to turn Bledsoe and Jordan (or was it Butler?) into KG.

Now, with VDN gone, the Clips want to give up more to get Doc too?
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: KGs Knee on June 14, 2013, 10:46:43 AM
I'd prefer to avoid having to pay DeAndre $10m+ per.  Maybe if we can somehow involve a third team and send him there for a better asset, I could get on board.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: CelticConcourse on June 14, 2013, 10:47:25 AM
So we'll be rebuilding with Bass/Lee/Terry? :)


No.  Those are the guys they should be pushing to move.  Not KG and Pierce.


Let them retire next year and open up cap flexibility.  Move all the other minor cap issues.

So we'll be rebuilding with KG and Pierce for a year? :)
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: csfansince60s on June 14, 2013, 10:47:57 AM
Jeff has an article on this on the front page, but didn't see it in the forums until I stumbled across a post by j804 in the Cs/Clipps mutual interest thread (+1 to j804).

I thought, because it was pretty specific, it might deserve its own thread, but mods feel free to merge it with another.

From Jeff's article from masslive via the Globe:

Quote
"A possible package could include Rivers and the 37-year-old Garnett heading to the Clippers," wrote Holmes, "with point guard Eric Bledsoe, center DeAndre Jordan, and two first-round draft picks heading to the Celtics."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2013_doc_7.html

I don't know about you guys, but I do this in a heartbeat. Then PP for other assets/picks and we're off on the rebuild.

Love to see it happen.

send them all to a 3rd team for a bigger star .



That is just one (and a very good one) option this trade would give us. The trade would give us a tremendous amount of flexibility.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 10:48:14 AM
Yeah, I've said it before [along with a million others]...unless we develop a very good chance at competing for a championship this year through trades, the best option is to cash in our 'old' chips for new ones. This is a humongous haul for KG [and Doc]. With this deal not seemingly including Paul, we could also acquire additional assets for him. I imagine the plan would be for him to be bought out and join the Clips for the MLE.

If we are going to do this thing, I want to go big. We could end up with a foundation of Rondo, Bledsoe, Gordon [?}, Green, Sully, Deandre, and 3 first round picks this year [with more possibly to come]. I don't include Bradley because I imagine he would be gone with PP in a potential deal with N.O.

Throw in deals for Terry, Bass, and Lee and we could really go crazy here...also, I don't know that I am ready to give up on Rondo, but there has always been talk of Rondo for DMC/Tyreke.

Listen, I LOVE LOVE LOVE this current generation of Celtics, but if we can catapult ourselves into the next generation without too much of a hitch, then we should go all out.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Evantime34 on June 14, 2013, 10:48:39 AM
So we'll be rebuilding with Bass/Lee/Terry? :)
No, I think we would essentially give any of these players away to teams with cap space then begin to rebuild around a nucleus of
Rondo/Bledsoe
Braldey
Green
Sully
Jordan

plus #16, #25 and Fab Melo if he ever turns out. This team could end up showing heart and sneaking in the playoffs, or it gives us a stable of young players and a high draft pick going into one of the best drafts since the Lebron draft.

I don't get it: Clipper brass killed VDN's wish to turn Bledsoe and Jordan (or was it Butler?) into KG.

Now, with VDN gone, the Clips want to give up more to get Doc too?
 [quote/]
If these are the moves that it costs to keep Chris Paul, they are willing to do them.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: wdleehi on June 14, 2013, 10:49:19 AM
So we'll be rebuilding with Bass/Lee/Terry? :)


No.  Those are the guys they should be pushing to move.  Not KG and Pierce.


Let them retire next year and open up cap flexibility.  Move all the other minor cap issues.

So we'll be rebuilding with KG and Pierce for a year? :)


No.  It is understanding that is no such thing as a one year rebuild. 


Push for one more year.  Move longterm contracts for shorter contracts.  See what happens.  Be open to trades that bring back actual building blocks. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Geo123 on June 14, 2013, 10:49:25 AM
Jeff has an article on this on the front page, but didn't see it in the forums until I stumbled across a post by j804 in the Cs/Clipps mutual interest thread (+1 to j804).

I thought, because it was pretty specific, it might deserve its own thread, but mods feel free to merge it with another.

From Jeff's article from masslive via the Globe:

Quote
"A possible package could include Rivers and the 37-year-old Garnett heading to the Clippers," wrote Holmes, "with point guard Eric Bledsoe, center DeAndre Jordan, and two first-round draft picks heading to the Celtics."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2013_doc_7.html

I don't know about you guys, but I do this in a heartbeat. Then PP for other assets/picks and we're off on the rebuild.

Love to see it happen.

send them all to a 3rd team for a bigger star .

Melo, Sully, Bledsoe or Bradley 2014 clippers pick
Cousins coming back

First of all Cousin's isn't a star right now and secondly they aren't trading him.

"New Sacramento Kings coach Mike Malone is excited about working with center DeMarcus Cousins, sources said — and while Cousins may have been available briefly, he isn’t now."

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/story/NBA-Draft-Report-Is-Len-rising-to-No-1?blockID=911609&feedID=3724


Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Geo123 on June 14, 2013, 10:51:13 AM
Jeff has an article on this on the front page, but didn't see it in the forums until I stumbled across a post by j804 in the Cs/Clipps mutual interest thread (+1 to j804).

I thought, because it was pretty specific, it might deserve its own thread, but mods feel free to merge it with another.

From Jeff's article from masslive via the Globe:

Quote
"A possible package could include Rivers and the 37-year-old Garnett heading to the Clippers," wrote Holmes, "with point guard Eric Bledsoe, center DeAndre Jordan, and two first-round draft picks heading to the Celtics."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2013_doc_7.html

I don't know about you guys, but I do this in a heartbeat. Then PP for other assets/picks and we're off on the rebuild. Fast.

Love to see it happen.

As much as I like KG and Doc I would do this deal also.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: rondohondo on June 14, 2013, 10:51:48 AM
Jeff has an article on this on the front page, but didn't see it in the forums until I stumbled across a post by j804 in the Cs/Clipps mutual interest thread (+1 to j804).

I thought, because it was pretty specific, it might deserve its own thread, but mods feel free to merge it with another.

From Jeff's article from masslive via the Globe:

Quote
"A possible package could include Rivers and the 37-year-old Garnett heading to the Clippers," wrote Holmes, "with point guard Eric Bledsoe, center DeAndre Jordan, and two first-round draft picks heading to the Celtics."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2013_doc_7.html

I don't know about you guys, but I do this in a heartbeat. Then PP for other assets/picks and we're off on the rebuild.

Love to see it happen.

send them all to a 3rd team for a bigger star .

Melo, Sully, Bledsoe or Bradley 2014 clippers pick
Cousins coming back

First of all Cousin's isn't a star right now and secondly they aren't trading him.

"New Sacramento Kings coach Mike Malone is excited about working with center DeMarcus Cousins, sources said — and while Cousins may have been available briefly, he isn’t now."

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/story/NBA-Draft-Report-Is-Len-rising-to-No-1?blockID=911609&feedID=3724

That was just one example.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: rondohondo on June 14, 2013, 10:54:14 AM
Jeff has an article on this on the front page, but didn't see it in the forums until I stumbled across a post by j804 in the Cs/Clipps mutual interest thread (+1 to j804).

I thought, because it was pretty specific, it might deserve its own thread, but mods feel free to merge it with another.

From Jeff's article from masslive via the Globe:

Quote
"A possible package could include Rivers and the 37-year-old Garnett heading to the Clippers," wrote Holmes, "with point guard Eric Bledsoe, center DeAndre Jordan, and two first-round draft picks heading to the Celtics."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2013_doc_7.html

I don't know about you guys, but I do this in a heartbeat. Then PP for other assets/picks and we're off on the rebuild.

Love to see it happen.

send them all to a 3rd team for a bigger star .

Melo, Sully, Bledsoe or Bradley 2014 clippers pick
Cousins coming back

First of all Cousin's isn't a star right now and secondly they aren't trading him.

"New Sacramento Kings coach Mike Malone is excited about working with center DeMarcus Cousins, sources said — and while Cousins may have been available briefly, he isn’t now."

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/story/NBA-Draft-Report-Is-Len-rising-to-No-1?blockID=911609&feedID=3724
That was just 1 example.

The point is we can use the assets plus sully and bradley to try and strike gold again .

Lemarcus Aldridge
Love

those guys could be free agents in 2015 , and who knows if they will want out soon .
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: CelticConcourse on June 14, 2013, 10:55:22 AM
So we'll be rebuilding with Bass/Lee/Terry? :)


No.  Those are the guys they should be pushing to move.  Not KG and Pierce.


Let them retire next year and open up cap flexibility.  Move all the other minor cap issues.

So we'll be rebuilding with KG and Pierce for a year? :)


No.  It is understanding that is no such thing as a one year rebuild. 


Push for one more year.  Move longterm contracts for shorter contracts.  See what happens.  Be open to trades that bring back actual building blocks.
OK, so let's say we're at the third seed, but the second seed is a reasonable goal around the trade deadline. We get an offer to trade Pierce and Lee to rebuild, even though they're both playing at a great level (which is why we're the third seed).

Do we still take the deal, or are we gonna hang on with the past again?
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: wdleehi on June 14, 2013, 10:58:37 AM
So we'll be rebuilding with Bass/Lee/Terry? :)


No.  Those are the guys they should be pushing to move.  Not KG and Pierce.


Let them retire next year and open up cap flexibility.  Move all the other minor cap issues.

So we'll be rebuilding with KG and Pierce for a year? :)


No.  It is understanding that is no such thing as a one year rebuild. 


Push for one more year.  Move longterm contracts for shorter contracts.  See what happens.  Be open to trades that bring back actual building blocks.
OK, so let's say we're at the third seed, but the second seed is a reasonable goal around the trade deadline. We get an offer to trade Pierce and Lee to rebuild, even though they're both playing at a great level (which is why we're the third seed).

Do we still take the deal, or are we gonna hang on with the past again?


You don't rebuild if you are playing great.  You ride it out. 



This is not living in the past.  This not repeating the mistakes teams in the past have done.  Trading aging stars whose contracts are almost at the end for bad contracts of younger players and be stuck in no man's land for multiple seasons. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: csfansince60s on June 14, 2013, 11:00:03 AM
Jeff has an article on this on the front page, but didn't see it in the forums until I stumbled across a post by j804 in the Cs/Clipps mutual interest thread (+1 to j804).

I thought, because it was pretty specific, it might deserve its own thread, but mods feel free to merge it with another.

From Jeff's article from masslive via the Globe:

Quote
"A possible package could include Rivers and the 37-year-old Garnett heading to the Clippers," wrote Holmes, "with point guard Eric Bledsoe, center DeAndre Jordan, and two first-round draft picks heading to the Celtics."

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2013_doc_7.html

I don't know about you guys, but I do this in a heartbeat. Then PP for other assets/picks and we're off on the rebuild.

Love to see it happen.

send them all to a 3rd team for a bigger star .

Melo, Sully, Bledsoe or Bradley 2014 clippers pick
Cousins coming back

First of all Cousin's isn't a star right now and secondly they aren't trading him.

"New Sacramento Kings coach Mike Malone is excited about working with center DeMarcus Cousins, sources said — and while Cousins may have been available briefly, he isn’t now."

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/story/NBA-Draft-Report-Is-Len-rising-to-No-1?blockID=911609&feedID=3724
That was just 1 example.

The point is we can use the assets plus sully and bradley to try and strike gold again .

Lemarcus Aldridge
Love

those guys could be free agents in 2015 , and who knows if they will want out soon .

Exactly!!!!! It gives us tremendous flexibility, (especially coupled with Pierce for assets), and options up the ying-yang!!!!
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2013, 11:01:23 AM
I do not want Jordan at all.  They can keep him.  Just give me Butler to make the dollars make sense.  If they insist on Jordan, then they better take Bass or Terry also.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: CelticConcourse on June 14, 2013, 11:06:08 AM
So we'll be rebuilding with Bass/Lee/Terry? :)


No.  Those are the guys they should be pushing to move.  Not KG and Pierce.


Let them retire next year and open up cap flexibility.  Move all the other minor cap issues.

So we'll be rebuilding with KG and Pierce for a year? :)


No.  It is understanding that is no such thing as a one year rebuild. 


Push for one more year.  Move longterm contracts for shorter contracts.  See what happens.  Be open to trades that bring back actual building blocks.
OK, so let's say we're at the third seed, but the second seed is a reasonable goal around the trade deadline. We get an offer to trade Pierce and Lee to rebuild, even though they're both playing at a great level (which is why we're the third seed).

Do we still take the deal, or are we gonna hang on with the past again?


You don't rebuild if you are playing great.  You ride it out. 



This is not living in the past.  This not repeating the mistakes teams in the past have done.  Trading aging stars whose contracts are almost at the end for bad contracts of younger players and be stuck in no man's land for multiple seasons.
I would be very happy if we did this. Let's do it, wdleehi! :)
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
I do not want Jordan at all.  They can keep him.  Just give me Butler to make the dollars make sense.  If they insist on Jordan, then they better take Bass or Terry also.

Okay, so I get that Jordan isn't ideal, is a little overpaid, and a liability late in the 4th with his ft%, but I would love to see him play with Rondo and we could definitely use his rebounding and blocking. People act as though he is horrible, but he would give us a legitimate center, which we haven't had since Perk/Sheed.

I doubt that his play would be so bad that we wouldn't be able to flip him for at least an expiring.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Evantime34 on June 14, 2013, 11:09:20 AM
I do not want Jordan at all.  They can keep him.  Just give me Butler to make the dollars make sense.  If they insist on Jordan, then they better take Bass or Terry also.
Jordan has more value as a future trade chip as evidenced by several teams bidding for his services when he was a free agent. He has only improved since then. I think he would only improve his numbers on a team that doesn't have the personel to take him out in crunch time.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: wdleehi on June 14, 2013, 11:10:12 AM
I do not want Jordan at all.  They can keep him.  Just give me Butler to make the dollars make sense.  If they insist on Jordan, then they better take Bass or Terry also.

Okay, so I get that Jordan isn't ideal, is a little overpaid, and a liability late in the 4th with his ft%, but I would love to see him play with Rondo and we could definitely use his rebounding and blocking. People act as though he is horrible, but he would give us a legitimate center, which we haven't had since Perk/Sheed.

I doubt that his play would be so bad that we wouldn't be able to flip him for at least an expiring.


We have already seen him with the best PG in the league.  Why would we expect a huge difference with Rondo?
Title: I would do this deal
Post by: Ogaju on June 14, 2013, 11:17:12 AM
it will jumpstart rebuild, with PP leaving may be even better.
Title: Re: Doc Kg AND pp scenario none of you have posted
Post by: CelticConcourse on June 14, 2013, 11:18:28 AM
Is Pierce even part of the Clippers deal?
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: The Rondo Show on June 14, 2013, 11:20:40 AM
I've never heard of a coach getting traded besides Herm Edwards lol
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 11:22:18 AM
I do not want Jordan at all.  They can keep him.  Just give me Butler to make the dollars make sense.  If they insist on Jordan, then they better take Bass or Terry also.

Okay, so I get that Jordan isn't ideal, is a little overpaid, and a liability late in the 4th with his ft%, but I would love to see him play with Rondo and we could definitely use his rebounding and blocking. People act as though he is horrible, but he would give us a legitimate center, which we haven't had since Perk/Sheed.

I doubt that his play would be so bad that we wouldn't be able to flip him for at least an expiring.


We have already seen him with the best PG in the league.  Why would we expect a huge difference with Rondo?

First of all, I am not a believer of Paul as the best pg in the NBA...not anymore. Rondo isn't necessarily a better player, but he is [easily] the best passing pg in the NBA. Combine that with Deandre's already ridiculous fg% and I think we would continue to see some improvement.

Deandre only plays like half the game in LA. He would get at least 30 mins per game in Boston and there is no reason he couldn't be a 10/10/2 guy.

Besides, I look at Deandre as kind-of a throw-in to make salaries work and I would much rather have him than an aging player like Butler...Bledsoe is the real 'prize'.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: wdleehi on June 14, 2013, 11:23:59 AM
I do not want Jordan at all.  They can keep him.  Just give me Butler to make the dollars make sense.  If they insist on Jordan, then they better take Bass or Terry also.

Okay, so I get that Jordan isn't ideal, is a little overpaid, and a liability late in the 4th with his ft%, but I would love to see him play with Rondo and we could definitely use his rebounding and blocking. People act as though he is horrible, but he would give us a legitimate center, which we haven't had since Perk/Sheed.

I doubt that his play would be so bad that we wouldn't be able to flip him for at least an expiring.


We have already seen him with the best PG in the league.  Why would we expect a huge difference with Rondo?

First of all, I am not a believer of Paul as the best pg in the NBA...not anymore. Rondo isn't necessarily a better player, but he is [easily] the best passing pg in the NBA. Combine that with Deandre's already ridiculous fg% and I think we would continue to see some improvement.

Deandre only plays like half the game in LA. He would get at least 30 mins per game in Boston and there is no reason he couldn't be a 10/10/2 guy.

Besides, I look at Deandre as kind-of a throw-in to make salaries work and I would much rather have him than an aging player like Butler...Bledsoe is the real 'prize'.


The difference in Paul's and Rondo's passing is minor.  You can argue for either of them to be better.



And how can the prize be a guy that plays the same position as the teams best player?  How many 6 foot guards do the Celtics need?
Title: Re: Doc Kg AND pp scenario none of you have posted
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 11:25:38 AM
I have made out of the box suggestions on this blog that have not been well received to put it mildly. The first is when I suggested that a superstar like Pierce who really loves the team should approach mgt and offer himself for trades that would make the team better. The second was when I suggested that Docs behavior in the offseason was arrogant and dishonorable to his contract with the Cs.

There is a perfect scenario that could redeem Doc, and it has something to do with my first post.

What if Doc, KG, and PP are actually acting in accordance with my first post. That is they have looked hard at the future of the Celtics and they see that the quickest way y for this team that they love to bounce back is to make a move at this time that will help the Celtics shorten the rebuild. Think about it.

If they all stay we cannot win anything and KG together with PP will retire getting beat up by these young teams in another frustrating season. Then Doc will be alone with a young team and no chips to deal.

If however they are able to pull off this Clipper deal, Doc KG and PP will be in a great position to beat up on teams possibly win a championship and they would have done a big favor for the organization they all love, the  Celtics. After his run with the Clippers Doc could come back to the Cs in a front office position, this could be a redeeming explanation for what is going on right now.

I love altruism as much as the next guy, but I think you are giving Doc too much credit. KG would have to waive his no trade clause and he can see the writing on the wall, but I think something could be worked out with trades of KG/Paul without Doc leaving to coach another team altogether. It is not impossible that Doc could return in some capacity, but I think he is extrememly wary of a rebuild.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 11:31:17 AM
I do not want Jordan at all.  They can keep him.  Just give me Butler to make the dollars make sense.  If they insist on Jordan, then they better take Bass or Terry also.

Okay, so I get that Jordan isn't ideal, is a little overpaid, and a liability late in the 4th with his ft%, but I would love to see him play with Rondo and we could definitely use his rebounding and blocking. People act as though he is horrible, but he would give us a legitimate center, which we haven't had since Perk/Sheed.

I doubt that his play would be so bad that we wouldn't be able to flip him for at least an expiring.


We have already seen him with the best PG in the league.  Why would we expect a huge difference with Rondo?

First of all, I am not a believer of Paul as the best pg in the NBA...not anymore. Rondo isn't necessarily a better player, but he is [easily] the best passing pg in the NBA. Combine that with Deandre's already ridiculous fg% and I think we would continue to see some improvement.

Deandre only plays like half the game in LA. He would get at least 30 mins per game in Boston and there is no reason he couldn't be a 10/10/2 guy.

Besides, I look at Deandre as kind-of a throw-in to make salaries work and I would much rather have him than an aging player like Butler...Bledsoe is the real 'prize'.


The difference in Paul's and Rondo's passing is minor.  You can argue for either of them to be better.



And how can the prize be a guy that plays the same position as the teams best player?  How many 6 foot guards do the Celtics need?

If there is another deal out there that will bring back a 'better' center, a starting sg with potential to be a star, and draft picks, then I am all for it.

Just because we are not getting exactly what we need doesn't mean it's not by far the best proposed deal out there. It is all about acquiring as many assets as possible so this rebuild isn't a total bummer. If they don't fit, we trade them...but at least we have something of value to trade.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2013, 11:32:32 AM
I do not want Jordan at all.  They can keep him.  Just give me Butler to make the dollars make sense.  If they insist on Jordan, then they better take Bass or Terry also.

Okay, so I get that Jordan isn't ideal, is a little overpaid, and a liability late in the 4th with his ft%, but I would love to see him play with Rondo and we could definitely use his rebounding and blocking. People act as though he is horrible, but he would give us a legitimate center, which we haven't had since Perk/Sheed.

I doubt that his play would be so bad that we wouldn't be able to flip him for at least an expiring.


We have already seen him with the best PG in the league.  Why would we expect a huge difference with Rondo?

First of all, I am not a believer of Paul as the best pg in the NBA...not anymore. Rondo isn't necessarily a better player, but he is [easily] the best passing pg in the NBA. Combine that with Deandre's already ridiculous fg% and I think we would continue to see some improvement.

Deandre only plays like half the game in LA. He would get at least 30 mins per game in Boston and there is no reason he couldn't be a 10/10/2 guy.

Besides, I look at Deandre as kind-of a throw-in to make salaries work and I would much rather have him than an aging player like Butler...Bledsoe is the real 'prize'.
You don't have a throw in to make salaries work that has 23 million left.  I'd much rather just take Butler and 8 million expiring contract.  Helps with the financial situation a lot more and Butler isn't as good and thus will help with rebuilding faster.  A team with Rondo, Bledsoe, Green, Jordan isn't going to be bad enough to really put Boston in position for a top pick, so what is the point in the trade.  If you are going to rebuild then you rebuild and that means you take Bledsoe (and his supreme value) and picks for value, not an overpaid center that can only play half the floor and can't play in crunch time.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: snively on June 14, 2013, 11:33:09 AM
Bledsoe, Jordan and picks is a good haul for our old guys.

I'm assuming this deal would be contingent on buying out Pierce so he can join them.  Otherwise the Clips are paying way too much.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: gpap on June 14, 2013, 11:44:11 AM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Bledsoe is better than Rondo.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Snakehead on June 14, 2013, 11:51:06 AM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Bledsoe is better than Rondo.

You have to be kidding me...
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: CelticConcourse on June 14, 2013, 11:51:57 AM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Bledsoe is better than Rondo.

You have to be kidding me...

Bledsoe?????
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: gpap on June 14, 2013, 11:52:15 AM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Bledsoe is better than Rondo.

You have to be kidding me...

No, I am not.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 11:52:47 AM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Bledsoe is better than Rondo.

If you believe this, then you must be ecstatic about this proposed deal...
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: CelticConcourse on June 14, 2013, 11:54:20 AM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Bledsoe is better than Rondo.

You have to be kidding me...

No, I am not.

So then I guess they won't even do a straight-up deal.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: csfansince60s on June 14, 2013, 11:56:22 AM
Bledsoe, Jordan and picks is a good haul for our old guys.

I'm assuming this deal would be contingent on buying out Pierce so he can join them.  Otherwise the Clips are paying way too much.

Pierce supposedly isn't part of the Clipps deal. He would be dealt to another team who would want him solely for his contract, be bought out and join KG and Doc in LaLa land.

We would get MORE assets for PP.

This is all a no-brainer for me. especially keeping in mind what Pierce wiould actually cost us if we kept him for next year. (See front page article on the $$$ cost of keeping Pierce. It's astronomical if the article is accurate.)He's gone. (if the article is accurate)
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: nyceltsfan on June 14, 2013, 11:59:18 AM
The latest on Yahoo Sports is that Chris Paul and Dwight Howard want to team up.  I know this is crazy and far fetched, but is it even remotely possible that we trade our big 3 (including Rondo) in a sign and trade and get Chris Paul back?  If so, how much more cap space would we need to clear to get Howard?

Is it possible to have a starting lineup of:

PG Paul
SG Bradley
SF Green
PF Sullinger
C Howard

That would be phenomenal!
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Snakehead on June 14, 2013, 12:14:21 PM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Bledsoe is better than Rondo.

You have to be kidding me...

No, I am not.

I'm sorry man, you're completely delusional.

What has he done compared to Rondo?
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 12:16:37 PM
The latest on Yahoo Sports is that Chris Paul and Dwight Howard want to team up.  I know this is crazy and far fetched, but is it even remotely possible that we trade our big 3 (including Rondo) in a sign and trade and get Chris Paul back?  If so, how much more cap space would we need to clear to get Howard?

Is it possible to have a starting lineup of:

PG Paul
SG Bradley
SF Green
PF Sullinger
C Howard

That would be phenomenal!

I could see Laker interest in Rondo, but I don't know that KG/PP to the Clips for Paul [in a s&t] would really interest them since they really are trying these other things to keep Chris.

Bledsoe would really have to step up as the Clips pg, but I do think the team would be better than last year's team, but probably not championship caliber.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: gpap on June 14, 2013, 12:22:17 PM
The latest on Yahoo Sports is that Chris Paul and Dwight Howard want to team up.  I know this is crazy and far fetched, but is it even remotely possible that we trade our big 3 (including Rondo) in a sign and trade and get Chris Paul back?  If so, how much more cap space would we need to clear to get Howard?

Is it possible to have a starting lineup of:

PG Paul
SG Bradley
SF Green
PF Sullinger
C Howard

That would be phenomenal!

I wish, but SO much would have to go the Celtics way for this to happen.

1.) Chris Paul would have to agree to a sign and trade to Boston in exchange for Pierce/Garnett.

2.)Dwight Howard and the Lakers would then have to agree to a sign and trade for Howard to come to the Celts in exchange for Rondo and whoever else.

Those are 2 scenarios that I just don't see happening but I wish they would.

What makes this even less likely is teams like Dallas, Houston, Clippers and Hawks would have more of a chance of getting something like this done and those teams appear like more desirable FA destinations.

Too bad though, I am tired of Boston being overlooked by star players.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: nyceltsfan on June 14, 2013, 12:23:33 PM
The latest on Yahoo Sports is that Chris Paul and Dwight Howard want to team up.  I know this is crazy and far fetched, but is it even remotely possible that we trade our big 3 (including Rondo) in a sign and trade and get Chris Paul back?  If so, how much more cap space would we need to clear to get Howard?

Bledsoe wouldn't need to step up that much if Rondo is the starting PG.  My proposal was Rondo, KG and Pierce for Paul.
Is it possible to have a starting lineup of:

PG Paul
SG Bradley
SF Green
PF Sullinger
C Howard

That would be phenomenal!

I could see Laker interest in Rondo, but I don't know that KG/PP to the Clips for Paul [in a s&t] would really interest them since they really are trying these other things to keep Chris.

Bledsoe would really have to step up as the Clips pg, but I do think the team would be better than last year's team, but probably not championship caliber.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: gpap on June 14, 2013, 12:26:37 PM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Bledsoe is better than Rondo.

You have to be kidding me...

No, I am not.

I'm sorry man, you're completely delusional.

What has he done compared to Rondo?

I just think Bledsoe is more talented and a better shooter.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: nyceltsfan on June 14, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
The latest on Yahoo Sports is that Chris Paul and Dwight Howard want to team up.  I know this is crazy and far fetched, but is it even remotely possible that we trade our big 3 (including Rondo) in a sign and trade and get Chris Paul back?  If so, how much more cap space would we need to clear to get Howard?

Bledsoe wouldn't need to step up that much if Rondo is the starting PG.  My proposal was Rondo, KG and Pierce for Paul.
Is it possible to have a starting lineup of:

PG Paul
SG Bradley
SF Green
PF Sullinger
C Howard

That would be phenomenal!

I could see Laker interest in Rondo, but I don't know that KG/PP to the Clips for Paul [in a s&t] would really interest them since they really are trying these other things to keep Chris.

Bledsoe would really have to step up as the Clips pg, but I do think the team would be better than last year's team, but probably not championship caliber.

My proposal was Rondo, KG and Pierce (along with Doc) for Chris Paul in a S&T.  Rondo would be the starting PG for the Clips in that scenario.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: CelticG1 on June 14, 2013, 12:40:36 PM
God if it wasn't for 2 of the most overrated overhyped prospects I'd be interested.

Those 2 do absolutely nothing for me
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: KG_ended_Bias on June 14, 2013, 12:43:51 PM
The latest on Yahoo Sports is that Chris Paul and Dwight Howard want to team up.  I know this is crazy and far fetched, but is it even remotely possible that we trade our big 3 (including Rondo) in a sign and trade and get Chris Paul back?  If so, how much more cap space would we need to clear to get Howard?

Bledsoe wouldn't need to step up that much if Rondo is the starting PG.  My proposal was Rondo, KG and Pierce for Paul.
Is it possible to have a starting lineup of: I would love this also & I believe the Clips would sacrifice Paul for Doc, PP, KG & Rondo. But the key would be how to fit all that contract into the Clips without them going over & how would we get enough cap space to sign both & by not taking any bad Clip contracts in return. Would need a 3rd team with cap space take D. Jordan & Butler & we would have to give them Clips 2 1st rounders & probably 1 of our own. Then after that would be trying to entice CP3 & Howard to want to play in Boston. Danny would have to be at his best but its a championship quality roster if he could pull it off.

PG Paul
SG Bradley
SF Green
PF Sullinger
C Howard

That would be phenomenal!

I could see Laker interest in Rondo, but I don't know that KG/PP to the Clips for Paul [in a s&t] would really interest them since they really are trying these other things to keep Chris.

Bledsoe would really have to step up as the Clips pg, but I do think the team would be better than last year's team, but probably not championship caliber.

My proposal was Rondo, KG and Pierce (along with Doc) for Chris Paul in a S&T.  Rondo would be the starting PG for the Clips in that scenario.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2013, 12:47:04 PM
The latest on Yahoo Sports is that Chris Paul and Dwight Howard want to team up.  I know this is crazy and far fetched, but is it even remotely possible that we trade our big 3 (including Rondo) in a sign and trade and get Chris Paul back?  If so, how much more cap space would we need to clear to get Howard?

Is it possible to have a starting lineup of:

PG Paul
SG Bradley
SF Green
PF Sullinger
C Howard

That would be phenomenal!

I wish, but SO much would have to go the Celtics way for this to happen.

1.) Chris Paul would have to agree to a sign and trade to Boston in exchange for Pierce/Garnett.

2.)Dwight Howard and the Lakers would then have to agree to a sign and trade for Howard to come to the Celts in exchange for Rondo and whoever else.

Those are 2 scenarios that I just don't see happening but I wish they would.

What makes this even less likely is teams like Dallas, Houston, Clippers and Hawks would have more of a chance of getting something like this done and those teams appear like more desirable FA destinations.

Too bad though, I am tired of Boston being overlooked by star players.
I think it would be reversed.  Rondo to the Clippers to pair with Griffin and PP/KG to the Lakers to pair with Kobe and Pau.  That would match up with where the respective teams are a lot more.

EDIT: Something like this for both teams

LAL get - PP, KG, Terry, Sullinger
BOS get - Howard, Peace

LAC get - Rondo, Melo, 2014 1st
BOS get - Paul,

That would leave Boston with a Paul, Bradley, Green, Bass, Howard with Lee, Peace, Crawford, Williams, Wilcox, White, and whomever else on the bench.  Pretty darn good starting 5, but could use an upgrade at the 4 and some work with the bench.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: RyNye on June 14, 2013, 12:47:54 PM
I just think Bledsoe is more talented and a better shooter.

Rondo- 48.4% FG
Bledsoe - 44.5% FG

Bledsoe is a better 3 point shooter (39.7% versus 24% for Rondo); but Rondo is far better at getting into the paint, and he is one of the best midrange jump shooters among PGs (Rondo shoots 51.3% inside the arc, versus 45.3% for Bledsoe).

If you look at their true shooting (which takes 3 pointers and free throws into account) they are essentially identical, but Rondo with a 0.3% lead.

Rondo is a better rebounder and passer, however. Bledsoe is a better defender (not that Rondo is a slouch at that, either, though).

I don't think you can make an argument that Bledsoe is "clearly" better than Rondo. I think you can argue that he has the POTENTIAL to be better than Rondo, but that's a completely different argument, really.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Moranis on June 14, 2013, 12:55:34 PM
I just think Bledsoe is more talented and a better shooter.

Rondo- 48.4% FG
Bledsoe - 44.5% FG

Bledsoe is a better 3 point shooter (39.7% versus 24% for Rondo); but Rondo is far better at getting into the paint, and he is one of the best midrange jump shooters among PGs (Rondo shoots 51.3% inside the arc, versus 45.3% for Bledsoe).

If you look at their true shooting (which takes 3 pointers and free throws into account) they are essentially identical, but Rondo with a 0.3% lead.

Rondo is a better rebounder and passer, however. Bledsoe is a better defender (not that Rondo is a slouch at that, either, though).

I don't think you can make an argument that Bledsoe is "clearly" better than Rondo. I think you can argue that he has the POTENTIAL to be better than Rondo, but that's a completely different argument, really.
Deandre Jordan shoots 64.3% from inside the arc. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: dreamgreen on June 14, 2013, 12:56:28 PM
You do this deal.

In a better world it is a three team deal, moving Bledsoe and Jordan to Utah and we get back Milsap.

Move PP for parts, and try to unload Jet and Bass.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on June 14, 2013, 12:59:43 PM
Yeah, I've said it before [along with a million others]...unless we develop a very good chance at competing for a championship this year through trades, the best option is to cash in our 'old' chips for new ones. This is a humongous haul for KG [and Doc]. With this deal not seemingly including Paul, we could also acquire additional assets for him. I imagine the plan would be for him to be bought out and join the Clips for the MLE.

If we are going to do this thing, I want to go big. We could end up with a foundation of Rondo, Bledsoe, Gordon [?}, Green, Sully, Deandre, and 3 first round picks this year [with more possibly to come]. I don't include Bradley because I imagine he would be gone with PP in a potential deal with N.O.

Throw in deals for Terry, Bass, and Lee and we could really go crazy here...also, I don't know that I am ready to give up on Rondo, but there has always been talk of Rondo for DMC/Tyreke.

Listen, I LOVE LOVE LOVE this current generation of Celtics, but if we can catapult ourselves into the next generation without too much of a hitch, then we should go all out.

I like your thinking.

The current squad is not simply a minor tweak or two away from being a legit title contender. Some people say, "Hey, if we go into next season with basically the same squad, just a minor tweak or two, and we stay healthy ..."

Let me stop you right there. Healthy? Ain't gonna happen. Ain't. Gonna. Happen. KG and Pierce are wearing down, we've seen it over the last couple seasons, and the number of effective minutes they can give is getting smaller and smaller.

Like Jambr380, I LOVE these guys, but if we keep them, the odds are (in my opinion) that we'll have another regular season of uninspired, middling play, followed by another first-round exit. Sure, KG and Pierce would then come off the books, but who's gonna want to come to Boston when the only big draw is Rondo? That's just not enough to attract star players, especially if Doc is gone, too.

If Danny flips Doc and KG for Bledsoe, Jordan, and two first-rounders, and flips Pierce and Bradley for, say, Gordon, we'd have a lot of good young assets that could be used to trade for a couple of the aforementioned star players. Heck, we could also maybe trade Rondo for Evans and Cousins, and then we'd have:

Tyreke Evans
DeMarcus Cousins
Jared Sullinger
Eric Gordon
Eric Bledsoe
DeAndre Jordan
Jeff Green

That's a lot of young, high-potential talent that surely some teams would be willing to give up stars for.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: cltc5 on June 14, 2013, 01:14:20 PM
its a done deal guys per mystupidsportsblog.com Doc to the coyotes
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: ScoobyDoo on June 14, 2013, 01:43:14 PM
What a phenomenal trade this would be for both teams.

1. Chris Paul wants a ring - he has a "far greater" chance of getting one with Rivers, Garnett and Pierce over the next 2-3 years than he does with DeAndre Jordan. Bledsoe is somewhat irrelevant to the Clippers with Paul eating up most of the minutes at point - you can replace Bledsoe.

2. The Celtics need to rebuild - period - and they could be almost completely rebuilt in one year by making this move.

Clippers:
KG / Free agent Center / Chris Wilcox
Blake Griffin / Lamar Odom
Paul Pierce / Matt Barnes
Willie Green / Jamaal Crawford
Chris Paul / Chauncey Billups
* If the Clippers can sign a decent, legit back up center they get way more production out of the Center spot
* If they trade Griffin for Howard, KG moves to the PF
* Very versatile, veteran team, lead by Doc Rivers

The Celtics
DeAndre Jordan / Fab Melo
Jared Sullinger / Bass
Jeff Green / Free agent
Bradley / Courtney lee
Rondo / Bledsoe

2013 Draft picks: this year's 16th and the Clipper's 25th?
2014: Our own pick and the Clipper's 1st?

With Rondo leading that young, fast team, I think we easily make the playoffs.

If there is a way that we could also figure out how to get Josh Smith as a free agent?...I say we will be right in the mix of the ECF's next season.

DeAndre Jordan / Melo / Draft pick
Josh Smith / Jared Sullinger / Bass
Jeff Green / Free agent /
Bradley / Courtney Lee / Draft pick
Rondo / Bledsoe / TWill

Jordan is probably a bit overapaid but he's only on book for another 2 years and if you could turn him into a defensive focused center, you've got something going.   

I think it's great for both teams - Clippers could raise a banner in the next year or two and then would have cap to add more players around Chris Paul.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on June 14, 2013, 01:57:27 PM

2013 Draft picks: this year's 16th and the Clipper's 25th?
2014: Our own pick and the Clipper's 1st?


There is a rule that a team can't give up consecutive first round draft picks and the Clippers gave up their 2012 draft pick for CP3.  So that means we would get their 2014 draft pick (which is shaping up to be the deepest draft since 2003) and most likely their 2016 pick.  I am all for getting as many 2014 picks as possible, but I am hesitant to give up two hall of famers for a 6th man and a center who can't hit free throws.  Plus, the Clippers will win around 60 games with that team so it's not like we'll be drafting anywhere that great (although David West was at the end of the 1st round in 2003)
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jay on June 14, 2013, 02:06:14 PM
What a phenomenal trade this would be for both teams.


DeAndre Jordan / Melo / Draft pick
Josh Smith / Jared Sullinger / Bass
Jeff Green / Free agent /
Bradley / Courtney Lee / Draft pick
Rondo / Bledsoe / TWill



I like Green/Smith/Jordan as a front line working with Rondo.  You would have to have a big time shooter to play the 2.  One big problem that someone pointed out to me a few months ago was, Jordan and Smith are horrible at free throws.  You would have to play Green at the 4 and Smith at the 5 in crunch time.  Jordan to the bench. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: ScoobyDoo on June 14, 2013, 02:08:25 PM
Thanks for the clarity on the draft picks - I'd be fine with one pick in 2014 (giving us two next year)and another in 2016.

I'd be Ok if Pierce and KG stayed as well - love both of them and would be happy to watch another year or two.

However, what happens after that? If we could swing that trade with the Clippers and also figure out a way to get Josh Smith here? I say we are "rebuilt" in a matter of a month.

Rondo at point, Smith and Green on the wings, Jordan trailing - we'd need a real sharp shooting off guard.

Bradley, Bledsoe and Sully off the bench
Draft pick.


 
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: ScoobyDoo on June 14, 2013, 02:15:21 PM
Jay, good point re the 2 spot - just posted that I think while you were writing your post saying the same.

I think it's very possible that Rondo could turn a Green / Smith front line into something very special. Jordan is a great trailing center on the break - great target.

Agreed re the foul line. I'd try to put a half decent jump shooting / foul shooting big behind Jordan - something that is opposite to Jordan's skill set and who would pair well with Sully's post game off the bench. maybe with a team potentially rebuilt like this, Kelly Olynik makes sense behind Jordan? I'm not a big fan overall, but as a role player off the bench he'd be a good fit with Sully.

At off guard, I'd looke to draft a dead eye shooter at the two and then also try to sign someone like Reddick or Korver - maybe through a trade - if not this year then next.   
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: CFAN38 on June 14, 2013, 02:20:51 PM
I have been paying 0 attention to these Doc trade to LA rumors because it seems ridiculous to me. However with the latest " Paul and Howard together rumors" I got thinking. Chris Paul might be able to make the Clipper do stupid things. Losing Paul will kill the clippers and ultimately lead to Griffin leaving when he is a FA.

I think the reported KG + Lee/Terry (with Doc leaving for LA) for Jordan + Butler + Bledsoe + 2 first may be DAs first offer.

If Paul agrees to sign with the Clip if this deal happens then the clippers are in a tough negotiating position.

May they can work DA of of the 2 1st and get him down to just this years first and a future 2nd. Either way I take the deal in a second.

If this goes down I could see DA flipping Butler + Bledsoe to UTAH for a S&T Milsap (or Big AL, I would rather Big Al but Milsap is the rumored plan A).

Then DA is left with Paul Pierce to deal with. Personally at that point if he is willing to stay I say keep him for 1 more year and let him retire. If Paul doesn't want to stay then DA needs to explore what ever assets he can get for Paul. Maybe Paul + Terry for Granger + Mahinmi + S&T Augistine (1 yr 3.5mill) + pick #23. This gives the Pacers Terry to take Austines minutes and the option of keeping Paul or cutting him to save $$ ( they want to resign West and Tyler). 

If PP, Doc, and KG are gone

I say give Ty Lue a shot as head coach

If this is the roster with the #16 go best potential avaiable (maybe Schroeder, Giannis, Adams) . Then at #23 SG Ledo, Crabbe, Franklin or Hardaway

PG Rondo, Augustine,
SG AB, Crawford, (Crabbe #23)
SF Green, Granger, (Giannis #16 leave in Europe)
PF Milsap, Sully
C  Jordan, Mahinmi, Melo

Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: LooseCannon on June 14, 2013, 02:36:57 PM

2013 Draft picks: this year's 16th and the Clipper's 25th?
2014: Our own pick and the Clipper's 1st?


There is a rule that a team can't give up consecutive first round draft picks and the Clippers gave up their 2012 draft pick for CP3.  So that means we would get their 2014 draft pick (which is shaping up to be the deepest draft since 2003) and most likely their 2016 pick.  I am all for getting as many 2014 picks as possible, but I am hesitant to give up two hall of famers for a 6th man and a center who can't hit free throws.  Plus, the Clippers will win around 60 games with that team so it's not like we'll be drafting anywhere that great (although David West was at the end of the 1st round in 2003)

The easy work-around is to wait until after the 2013 draft then trade the draft rights to the 2013 selection as part of the deal.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Snakehead on June 14, 2013, 03:37:33 PM
If Doc really wants to leave so bad (which is sad... but oh well if that's how he feels) the rumored trade on the front page with the Butler contract and then dumping of Lee and Terry added in would be a really nice haul that could be flipped for pieces or packaged for some big moves.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: winsomme on June 14, 2013, 03:40:39 PM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Yeah this doesn't help you rebuild. It ensures that you are just good enough to not be awful, but at the same time has you build around a bunch mediocre talent.

I mean those guys couldn't even stay on the floor for the Clips.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Fan from VT on June 14, 2013, 03:58:38 PM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Yeah this doesn't help you rebuild. It ensures that you are just good enough to not be awful, but at the same time has you build around a bunch mediocre talent.

I mean those guys couldn't even stay on the floor for the Clips.

I'd demand reverse protection...both must be lottery picks between 1-14.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Snakehead on June 14, 2013, 04:03:21 PM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Yeah this doesn't help you rebuild. It ensures that you are just good enough to not be awful, but at the same time has you build around a bunch mediocre talent.

I mean those guys couldn't even stay on the floor for the Clips.

Well there's talk of more parts in the trade that Ainge would want (Butler, Lee and Terry) that make it more enticing as a way to dump dead weight.

In addition, this is about collecting assets to Ainge if this goes through.  Did we all love the players we had on the roster just before the KG and Ray trades?  No, but they allowed us to make a move.  That's what all of this can allow.  The players and picks could be flipped individually or as a package.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Birdman on June 14, 2013, 04:08:30 PM
Better get something than nothing..i dont want KG to leave but he has maybe one year left and he is 37..i think he would waive his no clause trade..This maybe the best offer we get
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Evantime34 on June 14, 2013, 04:09:17 PM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Yeah this doesn't help you rebuild. It ensures that you are just good enough to not be awful, but at the same time has you build around a bunch mediocre talent.

I mean those guys couldn't even stay on the floor for the Clips.

Well there's talk of more parts in the trade that Ainge would want (Butler, Lee and Terry) that make it more enticing as a way to dump dead weight.

In addition, this is about collecting assets to Ainge if this goes through.  Did we all love the players we had on the roster just before the KG and Ray trades?  No, but they allowed us to make a move.  That's what all of this can allow.  The players could be flipped individually or as a package.
I would love it if we could replace Lee with Bass. Then we could move and Lee in another deal and potentially have some cap room after 2014.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Snakehead on June 14, 2013, 04:19:00 PM
Still not a fan.  A backup PG for Rondo and an over payed C. 



Two 1st rounders in the high 20s don't do much either.

Yeah this doesn't help you rebuild. It ensures that you are just good enough to not be awful, but at the same time has you build around a bunch mediocre talent.

I mean those guys couldn't even stay on the floor for the Clips.

Well there's talk of more parts in the trade that Ainge would want (Butler, Lee and Terry) that make it more enticing as a way to dump dead weight.

In addition, this is about collecting assets to Ainge if this goes through.  Did we all love the players we had on the roster just before the KG and Ray trades?  No, but they allowed us to make a move.  That's what all of this can allow.  The players could be flipped individually or as a package.
I would love it if we could replace Lee with Bass. Then we could move and Lee in another deal and potentially have some cap room after 2014.

Why?

I think Bass is just better than Lee and in addition we definitely could shed a couple SGs.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 14, 2013, 04:46:34 PM
I just don't see this happening .       I don't mind Black Jack Rivers hitting the road,  but sure hate to see Pierce and KG have to be part of this nightmare.

to get Doc, make em  take Bass, Terry and Lee  , Mello.  for Jordon and Bledsoe. 

unless Danny pulls the Hat trick and lands Hollins as our coach .

I hope Wyc fires DA if he doesn't figure a way out of this mess.

Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Vermont Green on June 14, 2013, 05:08:09 PM
So if we trade KG for the rumored Bledsoe+Jordan, how would the Clips be able to sign both Howard and Chris Paul?  Wouldn't they need to give the Lakers Griffin in a S&T (not a bad deal for the Lakers).

Can the Lakers even do a sign and trade (over the cap)?  I guess the Lakers would need to amnesty either Kobe or Gasol.

There definitely seems to be some substance to all the rumors but I still can't quite see how this would all work and result in Paul, Howard, and KG on the Clippers.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 14, 2013, 05:13:11 PM
If this is the deal I say, we take it.   We are not doing anything but losing in the ECF at best next year and a lot of luck would have to happen for that to happen.   Time to rebuild.

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to get Doc, make em  take Bass, Terry and Lee  , Mello.  for Jordon and Bledsoe. 

Maybe ask the tooth fairy?

I think you'd have as good as chance of it happening.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Evantime34 on June 14, 2013, 05:13:40 PM
So if we trade KG for the rumored Bledsoe+Jordan, how would the Clips be able to sign both Howard and Chris Paul?  Wouldn't they need to give the Lakers Griffin in a S&T (not a bad deal for the Lakers).

Can the Lakers even do a sign and trade (over the cap)?  I guess the Lakers would need to amnesty either Kobe or Gasol.

There definitely seems to be some substance to all the rumors but I still can't quite see how this would all work and result in Paul, Howard, and KG on the Clippers.
I think a lot will reveal itself in two weeks at the draft.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: ChefEricT on June 14, 2013, 05:43:46 PM
If we do some form of this trade, I hope we bring in a 3rd team and send Bledsoe their way.  Maybe when some of the dust starts to settle and Atlanta is frustrated by not getting any big names, we could work a sign and trade for Josh Smith.

Something like:
LAC gets: Doc, KG and Terry
ATL gets: Bledsoe, Bass, Lee and a handful of non guaranteed contracts(Randolph, White, TWill)
We get: Josh Smith, D.Jordan, C.Butler and a pick or 2

I emphasize IF something like this happens.  I would rather keep the Band together at this point, but if it happens I would prefer something like this. 
I don't think we will get anything for Pierce in this scenario, but I feel like we will release him, saving $10million and he will sign for MLE with the Clippers.

Clippers would be going HAM for one or two rings and we would have a lineup like:

Jordan/Melo
Smith/Sully
J.Green/C.Butler
Bradley
Rondo

Fill in the blanks with the picks we pick up/our pick and short contract, inexpensive free agents.
Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: ImShakHeIsShaq on June 14, 2013, 05:54:58 PM
If we do some form of this trade, I hope we bring in a 3rd team and send Bledsoe their way.  Maybe when some of the dust starts to settle and Atlanta is frustrated by not getting any big names, we could work a sign and trade for Josh Smith.

Something like:
LAC gets: Doc, KG and Terry
ATL gets: Bledsoe, Bass, Lee and a handful of non guaranteed contracts(Randolph, White, TWill)
We get: Josh Smith, D.Jordan, C.Butler and a pick or 2

I emphasize IF something like this happens.  I would rather keep the Band together at this point, but if it happens I would prefer something like this. 
I don't think we will get anything for Pierce in this scenario, but I feel like we will release him, saving $10million and he will sign for MLE with the Clippers.

Clippers would be going HAM for one or two rings and we would have a lineup like:

Jordan/Melo
Smith/Sully
J.Green/C.Butler
Bradley
Rondo

Fill in the blanks with the picks we pick up/our pick and short contract, inexpensive free agents.
Just my 2 cents.

I know I'm suppose to talk about this rumor but to me the dumbest thing DA and the organization could do is release PP.. seems like a waste.


I want to run it back but I wouldn't think not running it back is all that bad, not paying PP (what he is worth), is just dumb especially when you can get SOMETHING for him through his play or a trade.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: ChefEricT on June 14, 2013, 06:07:05 PM
If we do some form of this trade, I hope we bring in a 3rd team and send Bledsoe their way.  Maybe when some of the dust starts to settle and Atlanta is frustrated by not getting any big names, we could work a sign and trade for Josh Smith.

Something like:
LAC gets: Doc, KG and Terry
ATL gets: Bledsoe, Bass, Lee and a handful of non guaranteed contracts(Randolph, White, TWill)
We get: Josh Smith, D.Jordan, C.Butler and a pick or 2

I emphasize IF something like this happens.  I would rather keep the Band together at this point, but if it happens I would prefer something like this. 
I don't think we will get anything for Pierce in this scenario, but I feel like we will release him, saving $10million and he will sign for MLE with the Clippers.

Clippers would be going HAM for one or two rings and we would have a lineup like:

Jordan/Melo
Smith/Sully
J.Green/C.Butler
Bradley
Rondo

Fill in the blanks with the picks we pick up/our pick and short contract, inexpensive free agents.
Just my 2 cents.

I know I'm suppose to talk about this rumor but to me the dumbest thing DA and the organization could do is release PP.. seems like a waste.


I want to run it back but I wouldn't think not running it back is all that bad, not paying PP (what he is worth), is just dumb especially when you can get SOMETHING for him through his play or a trade.

I completely agree.  I want Pierce and KG to retire Celtics.  I'd prefer riding it out with those two, Rondo, Green, Bradley, Sully and even Lee, but I would try and improve on some of the other role players like Bass and Terry.  If we are going to lose Doc and KG to LAC, though, I'd respect Pierce enough to give him the option of following his buddies.  I'd leave it up to him. 
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: ManUp on June 14, 2013, 07:29:05 PM
I really don't see the downside to this trade. You get two young high talent prospects and two first round picks. If you don't want Bledsoe and Jordan I don't see it being very hard to package them off. Bledsoe has shown flashes of what looks like star potential and Jordan is a 6'11 athletic freak who plays the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Add in the two clipper picks, our own plus the guys we already have and we have a very attractive trade package.


Bledsoe, Bradley, Sullinger, Jordan, Celtics 1st rounders (possibly lotto) and 2 Clippers 1st round picks. That package is arguably more attractive then what we gave up to get Garnett. With a lot of luck we could be back contending in a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: connor on June 14, 2013, 07:33:23 PM
If we do some form of this trade, I hope we bring in a 3rd team and send Bledsoe their way.  Maybe when some of the dust starts to settle and Atlanta is frustrated by not getting any big names, we could work a sign and trade for Josh Smith.

Something like:
LAC gets: Doc, KG and Terry
ATL gets: Bledsoe, Bass, Lee and a handful of non guaranteed contracts(Randolph, White, TWill)
We get: Josh Smith, D.Jordan, C.Butler and a pick or 2

I emphasize IF something like this happens.  I would rather keep the Band together at this point, but if it happens I would prefer something like this. 
I don't think we will get anything for Pierce in this scenario, but I feel like we will release him, saving $10million and he will sign for MLE with the Clippers.

Clippers would be going HAM for one or two rings and we would have a lineup like:

Jordan/Melo
Smith/Sully
J.Green/C.Butler
Bradley
Rondo

Fill in the blanks with the picks we pick up/our pick and short contract, inexpensive free agents.
Just my 2 cents.

I know I'm suppose to talk about this rumor but to me the dumbest thing DA and the organization could do is release PP.. seems like a waste.


I want to run it back but I wouldn't think not running it back is all that bad, not paying PP (what he is worth), is just dumb especially when you can get SOMETHING for him through his play or a trade.
Danny would be an idiot not to at least find a team willing to take Pierce on so they can waive him for the cap savings and then Pierce can go where he pleases and we would probably manage to get a pick or asset out of that deal.

There are plenty of teams out there that would be willing to give something up (pick or young asset) along with an expiring deal/bad contract just to be able to waive Pierce and get some cap room for free agency (Toronto, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, Golden State, Orlando come to mind).
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 07:43:31 PM
If we do some form of this trade, I hope we bring in a 3rd team and send Bledsoe their way.  Maybe when some of the dust starts to settle and Atlanta is frustrated by not getting any big names, we could work a sign and trade for Josh Smith.

Something like:
LAC gets: Doc, KG and Terry
ATL gets: Bledsoe, Bass, Lee and a handful of non guaranteed contracts(Randolph, White, TWill)
We get: Josh Smith, D.Jordan, C.Butler and a pick or 2

I emphasize IF something like this happens.  I would rather keep the Band together at this point, but if it happens I would prefer something like this. 
I don't think we will get anything for Pierce in this scenario, but I feel like we will release him, saving $10million and he will sign for MLE with the Clippers.

Clippers would be going HAM for one or two rings and we would have a lineup like:

Jordan/Melo
Smith/Sully
J.Green/C.Butler
Bradley
Rondo

Fill in the blanks with the picks we pick up/our pick and short contract, inexpensive free agents.
Just my 2 cents.

I know I'm suppose to talk about this rumor but to me the dumbest thing DA and the organization could do is release PP.. seems like a waste.


I want to run it back but I wouldn't think not running it back is all that bad, not paying PP (what he is worth), is just dumb especially when you can get SOMETHING for him through his play or a trade.
Danny would be an idiot not to at least find a team willing to take Pierce on so they can waive him for the cap savings and then Pierce can go where he pleases and we would probably manage to get a pick or asset out of that deal.

There are plenty of teams out there that would be willing to give something up (pick or young asset) along with an expiring deal/bad contract just to be able to waive Pierce and get some cap room for free agency (Toronto, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, Golden State, Orlando come to mind).

There are plenty of teams that would love to clear a questionable salary, but finding one who has a player we might want is more difficult.

Heck, there are many hear who balked at the idea of Pierce to New Orleans for Gordon because of his contract.

I suppose we could take on an expiring since a team like Dal would love to cut even more salary for THIS year, but I am not so sure they have an assets I would love to have other than their [very low] lottery pick.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: bleedGREENdon on June 14, 2013, 07:50:27 PM
This being my first post on Celtics blog i have to say, I am praying the celtics do this. My reasons. 1. its clear as day we will not, i repeat will not win a title next year with this group of guys. 2. The free agent core will not be good next year because the big names of Howard and Paul will sign somewhere this offseason and get long term deals, as well as Lebron james or any other big name will not come to boston unless we traded for them. 3. Doc rivers does not want to be apart of a rebuilding team nor do KG or pierce. This situation is perfect for both sides the Celtics and those three. The celtics can do so many things in this sitaution my plan according to hearing rumors and all and piecing is together is this; Celtics move doc rivers Kevin garnett and Paul pierce and possibly Jason terry to the clippers, the clippers can dump pierce and then resign him for the low low. The celtics receive, Bledsoe Jordan Caron butler and 2 future picks. Now after this trade happens, i see the clippers pushing to sign Dwight howard idk the salaries and all but id think they could def. make it happen. Maybe even trade blake griffin to the lakers which would be blockbuster n highly unlikely but you get what im saying. The celtics then also have 3 first round picks this year or whatever and also can look to move butler(hopefully).

Lineups.
Celtics-

Jordan/Melo
Sully/ Bass
Green/ Butler
Bradley/ Lee
Rondo/ Bledsoe

Hopeful Clippers Lineup

Dwight
KG
Pierce
?????
CP3

I think both teams highly win in this scenerio, and celtics push to pick up a high tempo head coach, because man our team will be able to run up and down the court and play great high tempo defense. Not to mention can make major moves to have high draft picks in next years draft, or this years draft.
On the other end, The clippers have a win now Team with doc still with his guys and able to win another championship this year.

Let me know what you guys think.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: greenhead85 on June 14, 2013, 07:56:43 PM
Wont blink. I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Maybe we could adjust it a little by sending Jordan plus Bass and our 2013 1st to the Kings to acquire Cousins and Tyreke plus their 2013 1st. Thrown in some filler to make the money work.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: bleedGREENdon on June 14, 2013, 08:18:51 PM
Wont blink. I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Maybe we could adjust it a little by sending Jordan plus Bass and our 2013 1st to the Kings to acquire Cousins and Tyreke plus their 2013 1st. Thrown in some filler to make the money work.

i like that thought but minus tyreke, id like a core of rondo avery cousins green and sully, but thing is that defense would be terrible, i think wed actually be good with jordan. And run a high tempo offense.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 08:19:41 PM
Wont blink. I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Maybe we could adjust it a little by sending Jordan plus Bass and our 2013 1st to the Kings to acquire Cousins and Tyreke plus their 2013 1st. Thrown in some filler to make the money work.

While I like the idea of Cousins over Jordan, I don't see any way the Kings see these guys as equal players, nevermind Jordan as superior [according to your package].

Subtract Tyreke and their pick and add Avery/Sully to our side and we may have a chance...if they even like Jordan.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: greenhead85 on June 14, 2013, 08:32:54 PM
Wont blink. I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Maybe we could adjust it a little by sending Jordan plus Bass and our 2013 1st to the Kings to acquire Cousins and Tyreke plus their 2013 1st. Thrown in some filler to make the money work.

i like that thought but minus tyreke, id like a core of rondo avery cousins green and sully, but thing is that defense would be terrible, i think wed actually be good with jordan. And run a high tempo offense.

Tyreke could fill in the need for a PG who could shoot if Rondo is gun shy and outside shooting is needed. Plus, he could cover taller SGs and pose a great mismatch (height wise) at the PG to opposing teams' PGs. Like Jordan, DeMarcus has wide body that is enough to man up bigs of other teams but not as a high flying swatter as Jordan is. Plus, DMC has a very good mid range jumper.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: gpap on June 14, 2013, 08:33:24 PM
Well, I was listening to the Sports Hub tonight and the host of the evening show (Adam Jones) was saying how he had Steve Bulpett from the Herald on last night.

Bulpett is a pretty well connected guy as he reports on the Celtics for the Herald.

He said that although Doc's interest in the Clippers is 100 percent legit, he also said that he has yet to hear anyone from the Clippers side being interested in giving up Bledsoe and Jordan plus picks for a one year rental in KG and Doc.

He also said that Del Negro was really the only guy who pushed for this back in February and now he's gone.

So, while this trade certainly looks appealing to the Celtics, it still seems like it's pie in the sky (or maybe a black cloud, depending on how you look at it,  ;D)
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: cltc5 on June 14, 2013, 08:58:14 PM
Rumor:  Doc had eggs for breakfast :P
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: Tr1boy on June 14, 2013, 09:13:14 PM
La clippers aka la stacked? Would stern allow this

Trade 1
To clips: kg, rivers, pp(trade or signas fa)

To bos: bledsoe, jordan, 2013 1st

Trade 2

To clips: d howard

To lakers: griffin

La clippers starting: howard-kg-pp-?-paul and rivers coach

Fav - out of the west in 2014?
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: jambr380 on June 14, 2013, 09:14:21 PM
Well, I was listening to the Sports Hub tonight and the host of the evening show (Adam Jones) was saying how he had Steve Bulpett from the Herald on last night.

Bulpett is a pretty well connected guy as he reports on the Celtics for the Herald.

He said that although Doc's interest in the Clippers is 100 percent legit, he also said that he has yet to hear anyone from the Clippers side being interested in giving up Bledsoe and Jordan plus picks for a one year rental in KG and Doc.

He also said that Del Negro was really the only guy who pushed for this back in February and now he's gone.

So, while this trade certainly looks appealing to the Celtics, it still seems like it's pie in the sky (or maybe a black cloud, depending on how you look at it,  ;D)

I think the Clips should be the ones pushing for this deal to happen. Our original window was supposed to be three years. They could have a legitimate two year window of championship caliber basketball, while having Blake [or Dwight] and CP3 locked up beyond that. Trading Jordan and Bledsoe for the Doc/KG [and then PP signing] package makes too much sense for both sides.
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: j804 on June 14, 2013, 09:17:55 PM
Well, I was listening to the Sports Hub tonight and the host of the evening show (Adam Jones) was saying how he had Steve Bulpett from the Herald on last night.

Bulpett is a pretty well connected guy as he reports on the Celtics for the Herald.

He said that although Doc's interest in the Clippers is 100 percent legit, he also said that he has yet to hear anyone from the Clippers side being interested in giving up Bledsoe and Jordan plus picks for a one year rental in KG and Doc.

He also said that Del Negro was really the only guy who pushed for this back in February and now he's gone.

So, while this trade certainly looks appealing to the Celtics, it still seems like it's pie in the sky (or maybe a black cloud, depending on how you look at it,  ;D)
If the Clippers want to keep CP3 and it means him resigning they'll go for it, sources are saying he'd love Doc and also that the Clippers organization is going to be very aggressive shaking all the trees. You know Danny is ready to blow it up as well there's a  good chance something happens IMO
Title: Re: Rumor: Doc and KG for Bledsoe, DJordan and 2 firsts
Post by: connor on June 15, 2013, 06:49:40 AM
There are plenty of teams that would love to clear a questionable salary, but finding one who has a player we might want is more difficult.

Heck, there are many hear who balked at the idea of Pierce to New Orleans for Gordon because of his contract.

I suppose we could take on an expiring since a team like Dal would love to cut even more salary for THIS year, but I am not so sure they have an assets I would love to have other than their [very low] lottery pick.

I think the advantage we have is that if we are moving PP and KG then we aren't going to be competing for a championship next year, so we can take on bad or expiring contracts without having to worry (in fact it probably will just help us end up withe a better 2014 pick and let our young guys develop).

Depending on his health I'd take the Pierce and Bradley for Gordon deal.

Golden-State could clear Biedrins/Jefferson and send us one of Ezeli/Draymond Green/Draft pick, Orlando could send us Turkoglu and maybe they move one of Harkless/Harris/Nicholson. Toronto would love to get rid of Bargs' contract and might send us a future first/Ross or we could just try and trade Bargs at trade deadline, Pacers might need caproom to resign West and would move Granger and maybe 23rd pick.

And the other thing to remember is that it doesn't have to just be a straight up PP deal, we can include Bradley/Sully/Bledsoe (if the trade goes through in time) and teams will be willing to give up a lot more talent/better pick if they can get about 10m in cap relief AND a nice young piece.

Theres got to be something out there so we don't just end up with nothing for Pierce and I'd be tremendously disappointed with Danny if he just released him. Even a late first from a Dallas or GS is better than nothing.

Wont blink. I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Maybe we could adjust it a little by sending Jordan plus Bass and our 2013 1st to the Kings to acquire Cousins and Tyreke plus their 2013 1st. Thrown in some filler to make the money work.

i like that thought but minus tyreke, id like a core of rondo avery cousins green and sully, but thing is that defense would be terrible, i think wed actually be good with jordan. And run a high tempo offense.

Tyreke could fill in the need for a PG who could shoot if Rondo is gun shy and outside shooting is needed. Plus, he could cover taller SGs and pose a great mismatch (height wise) at the PG to opposing teams' PGs. Like Jordan, DeMarcus has wide body that is enough to man up bigs of other teams but not as a high flying swatter as Jordan is. Plus, DMC has a very good mid range jumper.

Evans is a terrible shooter. He wouldn't work on the same roster with Rondo.

Also if you ask Kings fans they aren't moving DMC unless they are getting a top 3 pick this year or a serious building block for their future. I've asked most and had no interest in even Jordan, Bledsoe and 2 picks (which I thought was more than generous). Although it depends on what the new ownership decides, but based on fan reaction DMC isn't available right now (at least to us anyway), but that could all change once the season starts and he acts up.