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Title: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: chenaren on May 27, 2013, 02:23:21 AM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: Mazingerz on May 27, 2013, 02:34:29 AM
that's sad bro. But the name in front of the jersey is still more important than the name at the back of the jersey.

Lets just put our trust in Danny and we hope he cooks for us a nifty season and who knows maybe even banner 18 is due this upcoming season;

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Post by: Kiorrik on May 27, 2013, 02:57:29 AM
OP: Is that you, KG?
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Post by: j804 on May 27, 2013, 03:00:03 AM
OP: Is that you, KG?
Lol love the OPs attitude
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: chambers on May 27, 2013, 03:09:23 AM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

Actually pierce voiced that he wanted out of Boston and was also a terd for quite a bit of his celtics tenure. He wouldn't be here and he's only here because Danny got him some help in KG and Ray. So Pierce actually owes a lot to Ainge.
You're missing the point as to why pierce would be waived. He'd never be dumped just for payroll purposes for the Celtics. He's worth more to the organization just selling jerseys and tickets than to just dump him...we'd still be over the cap. He'd be dumped so another team can use his contract as a way to lower their payroll thus giving us assets, or he'd be dumped to a contender so they can use his veteran leadership to actually win a championship, again to give us assets.
Pierce will always be a Celtic. If we can get something that gets us closer to the next championship for his whale of a deal then that's great, the name on the front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back, and Pierce knows this and understands that whatever happens, happens.
The day the Lakers overtake us is a sad day. If he were to get rid of Pierce, no matter what route he takes, Pierce will be picked up by a contender one way or the other.


Ps. There's nothing that's more important than winning a championship


Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: D.o.s. on May 27, 2013, 04:25:27 AM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

Actually pierce voiced that he wanted out of Boston and was also a terd for quite a bit of his celtics tenure. He wouldn't be here and he's only here because Danny got him some help in KG and Ray. So Pierce actually owes a lot to Ainge.
You're missing the point as to why pierce would be waived. He'd never be dumped just for payroll purposes for the Celtics. He's worth more to the organization just selling jerseys and tickets than to just dump him...we'd still be over the cap. He'd be dumped so another team can use his contract as a way to lower their payroll thus giving us assets, or he'd be dumped to a contender so they can use his veteran leadership to actually win a championship, again to give us assets.
Pierce will always be a Celtic. If we can get something that gets us closer to the next championship for his whale of a deal then that's great, the name on the front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back, and Pierce knows this and understands that whatever happens, happens.
The day the Lakers overtake us is a sad day. If he were to get rid of Pierce, no matter what route he takes, Pierce will be picked up by a contender one way or the other.


Ps. There's nothing that's more important than winning a championship

There are many more things more important than winning a championship. Don't be silly.


Personally, I'd let Pierce play out the remainder of his contract in Boston if he wanted to. That opinion is colored, of course, by the fact that A) I enjoy his presence on the laundry that I root for, and B)That the Lakers are about as likely to win a title in the next two  years as we are.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: JOMVP on May 27, 2013, 04:34:58 AM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

Actually pierce voiced that he wanted out of Boston and was also a terd for quite a bit of his celtics tenure. He wouldn't be here and he's only here because Danny got him some help in KG and Ray. So Pierce actually owes a lot to Ainge.
You're missing the point as to why pierce would be waived. He'd never be dumped just for payroll purposes for the Celtics. He's worth more to the organization just selling jerseys and tickets than to just dump him...we'd still be over the cap. He'd be dumped so another team can use his contract as a way to lower their payroll thus giving us assets, or he'd be dumped to a contender so they can use his veteran leadership to actually win a championship, again to give us assets.
Pierce will always be a Celtic. If we can get something that gets us closer to the next championship for his whale of a deal then that's great, the name on the front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back, and Pierce knows this and understands that whatever happens, happens.
The day the Lakers overtake us is a sad day. If he were to get rid of Pierce, no matter what route he takes, Pierce will be picked up by a contender one way or the other.


Ps. There's nothing that's more important than winning a championship

Sometimes, though, the players you win a Championship with are more important than the championship.

Winning another title with Pierce and KG on this roster would be way more special than if we won another title with player X and Y.

However unlikely our shots at winning a title are with Pierce and Garnett in their final years - we are just as unlikely to win a title without them on our team. So I'd much rather watch Pierce retire a Celtic while trying to win another title for our franchise and being competitive than watching our team suck.

Where I disagree with the OP is that no matter how much your team blows (Celtics in 2007,) they are your team and you follow them and look for things to be excited for.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: chambers on May 27, 2013, 05:56:51 AM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

Actually pierce voiced that he wanted out of Boston and was also a terd for quite a bit of his celtics tenure. He wouldn't be here and he's only here because Danny got him some help in KG and Ray. So Pierce actually owes a lot to Ainge.
You're missing the point as to why pierce would be waived. He'd never be dumped just for payroll purposes for the Celtics. He's worth more to the organization just selling jerseys and tickets than to just dump him...we'd still be over the cap. He'd be dumped so another team can use his contract as a way to lower their payroll thus giving us assets, or he'd be dumped to a contender so they can use his veteran leadership to actually win a championship, again to give us assets.
Pierce will always be a Celtic. If we can get something that gets us closer to the next championship for his whale of a deal then that's great, the name on the front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back, and Pierce knows this and understands that whatever happens, happens.
The day the Lakers overtake us is a sad day. If he were to get rid of Pierce, no matter what route he takes, Pierce will be picked up by a contender one way or the other.


Ps. There's nothing that's more important than winning a championship

Sometimes, though, the players you win a Championship with are more important than the championship.

Winning another title with Pierce and KG on this roster would be way more special than if we won another title with player X and Y.


However unlikely our shots at winning a title are with Pierce and Garnett in their final years - we are just as unlikely to win a title without them on our team. So I'd much rather watch Pierce retire a Celtic while trying to win another title for our franchise and being competitive than watching our team suck.

Where I disagree with the OP is that no matter how much your team blows (Celtics in 2007,) they are your team and you follow them and look for things to be excited for.


To me that's bogus, any team you win a championship is special. If we managed to win with Carlos Boozer it would be special.
Furthermore this group is cooked. Hanging on and giving it one more run gives us zero chance of winning a title. We'd be hoping that injuries happen to multiple stars again and even then we'd be a long shot.

It's all opinion of course, but each year we delay the rebuild we are a year further away from a championship.

And if Dwight Howard signs with the Lakers again, then they are in a far better position to win a title than we are- we'll just be giving them even more of a head start.

There is nothing more important than having another banner hanging in the rafters. Nothing.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: Mr Green on May 27, 2013, 07:02:35 AM
I'm also hoping for KG and PP to retire as Celtics.

If they do, then Danny might be able to point to that when trying to recruit stars in future; that Boston has a history of treating its franchise cornerstones respectfully at the end of their careers. Bird and McHae are other examples. Regardless of that, they've earned the right to go out on their terms plus they're both in Wyc's good books.

KG should also be given some sort of assistant coaching position when his playing days are done, even if it's a token one. Having him just ride off into the sunset would badly affect the ongoing blue collar work ethic of the club.
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Post by: Celtics4ever on May 27, 2013, 07:24:41 AM
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There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

I am sure this will sway Danny to keep him.   PP is now taking his house off the market since Danny will call him after reading this thread.  We all know Celtic Management listens to Celtic Blog.   

No one wants to see these guys leave.   However, many here recall the bad teams of the 90s and would like to see us get something for them.  A rebuild is bad almost as bad as letting PP go, trust me.

Do you think we have a real chance next year?  I don't because we have won less each year since 09 or so it seems to me.   

I think if he is dealt they will have him resign for one day and retire as a Celtic.
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Post by: Mr Green on May 27, 2013, 07:31:18 AM
I'm also hoping for KG and PP to retire as Celtics.

If they do, then Danny might be able to point to that when trying to recruit stars in future; that Boston has a history of treating its franchise cornerstones respectfully at the end of their careers. Bird and McHae are other examples. Regardless of that, they've earned the right to go out on their terms plus they're both in Wyc's good books.

KG should also be given some sort of assistant coaching position when his playing days are done, even if it's a token one. Having him just ride off into the sunset would badly affect the ongoing blue collar work ethic of the club.


False on both counts. First Kg and Paul retiring as celtics has zero effect on what free agents decide to come here. You think Lebron would say oh look Kg and Pierce retired as a celtics, that organization is so great in treating their players right by letting the players finish they careers with the team. with so let me go join them. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. Even the Great Larry Bird didn't retire with the Celtics. I was surprised when I found that out years ago.

Second the Celtics doesn't owe Kg any coaching position and it doesn't affect negatively on them. Maybe Kg doesn't want anything to do with coaching at all when he retires and just wants to spend time with those close to him.

First of all Larry only ever played for the Celtics. He may have coached elsewhere but he retired as a player in Boston. That's what I'm talking about. Not sure what you mean.

Second of all, how do you know what effect their retirement in Boston may or may not have on other free agents? I said it was a possibility. I also said 'franchise cornerstones' not 'players'. There's a big difference.

I guess I'm just not the type of person who would just put old sick grandma in a retirement home to rot away after she has dedicated her best years to supporting the family, while others appear happy to do so because the 'grass is greener' elsewhere. Loyalty is Royalty.
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Post by: Mr Green on May 27, 2013, 08:01:41 AM
Like I said, KG and PP are both in Wyc's good books...

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“I want to retire Paul’s number, but I don’t want to do it any time soon because I want him to keep playing for us, to be honest. I want KG back. I want Doc back. I’d love to have Rondo back. I just want to get them more help, that’s my going-in assumption.”

Source: http://fansided.com/2013/05/24/boston-celtics-co-owner-wants-paul-pierce-kevin-garnett-back-next-season/
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Post by: Onslaught on May 27, 2013, 08:02:53 AM
I don't agree with this position that only the name on the front of the jersey matters. If you're a player I hate and you come to the Celtics I'm still going to hate you. And if the Celtics built a team of players I couldn't stand then I'd have to walk away from the team until those players got replaced.I'd still say I was a Celtics fan but Id point out "not right now."



And another thing that's kind of bugged me as of late. When Ray Allen took his talents to south beach this place exploded with people call him a trader and saying he had no loyalty. But now it seems that many people want Paul to get dumped.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: Mr Green on May 27, 2013, 08:06:53 AM
And another thing that's kind of bugged me as of late. When Ray Allen took his talents to south beach this place exploded with people call him a trader and saying he had no loyalty. But now it seems that many people want Paul to get dumped.

Exactly, peeps can't have their cake and eat it too.
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Post by: tarheelsxxiii on May 27, 2013, 08:13:17 AM
I'm also hoping for KG and PP to retire as Celtics.

If they do, then Danny might be able to point to that when trying to recruit stars in future; that Boston has a history of treating its franchise cornerstones respectfully at the end of their careers. Bird and McHae are other examples. Regardless of that, they've earned the right to go out on their terms plus they're both in Wyc's good books.

KG should also be given some sort of assistant coaching position when his playing days are done, even if it's a token one. Having him just ride off into the sunset would badly affect the ongoing blue collar work ethic of the club.


False on both counts. First Kg and Paul retiring as celtics has zero effect on what free agents decide to come here. You think Lebron would say oh look Kg and Pierce retired as a celtics, that organization is so great in treating their players right by letting the players finish they careers with the team. with so let me go join them. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. Even the Great Larry Bird didn't retire with the Celtics. I was surprised when I found that out years ago.

Second the Celtics doesn't owe Kg any coaching position and it doesn't affect negatively on them. Maybe Kg doesn't want anything to do with coaching at all when he retires and just wants to spend time with those close to him.

First of all Larry only ever played for the Celtics. He may have coached elsewhere but he retired as a player in Boston. That's what I'm talking about. Not sure what you mean.

Second of all, how do you know what effect their retirement in Boston may or may not have on other free agents? I said it was a possibility. I also said 'franchise cornerstones' not 'players'. There's a big difference.

I guess I'm just not the type of person who would just put old sick grandma in a retirement home to rot away after she has dedicated her best years to supporting the family, while others appear happy to do so because the 'grass is greener' elsewhere. Loyalty is Royalty.

Fine post. Very much in agreement with your sentiment. TP.
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Post by: Mr Green on May 27, 2013, 08:20:15 AM
I'm also hoping for KG and PP to retire as Celtics.

If they do, then Danny might be able to point to that when trying to recruit stars in future; that Boston has a history of treating its franchise cornerstones respectfully at the end of their careers. Bird and McHae are other examples. Regardless of that, they've earned the right to go out on their terms plus they're both in Wyc's good books.

KG should also be given some sort of assistant coaching position when his playing days are done, even if it's a token one. Having him just ride off into the sunset would badly affect the ongoing blue collar work ethic of the club.


False on both counts. First Kg and Paul retiring as celtics has zero effect on what free agents decide to come here. You think Lebron would say oh look Kg and Pierce retired as a celtics, that organization is so great in treating their players right by letting the players finish they careers with the team. with so let me go join them. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. Even the Great Larry Bird didn't retire with the Celtics. I was surprised when I found that out years ago.

Second the Celtics doesn't owe Kg any coaching position and it doesn't affect negatively on them. Maybe Kg doesn't want anything to do with coaching at all when he retires and just wants to spend time with those close to him.

KG has earned over $328,500,000 in salary playing in the NBA (exclusive of endorsements). He's not playing at the age of 37 years on bad wheels because he needs the money. He's still playing because he bleeds green. So I would suggest that he would be interested in coaching after he retires so he can spend time with those close to him ... the Celtics.

Source: http://nesn.com/2012/08/kevin-garnett-leads-list-of-nba-players-with-highest-career-salary-earnings-celtics-had-four-of-top/
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Post by: letsgoblue86 on May 27, 2013, 09:23:51 AM
So, you're not a C's fan then?
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Post by: Mr Green on May 27, 2013, 10:01:30 AM
I'm also hoping for KG and PP to retire as Celtics.

If they do, then Danny might be able to point to that when trying to recruit stars in future; that Boston has a history of treating its franchise cornerstones respectfully at the end of their careers. Bird and McHae are other examples. Regardless of that, they've earned the right to go out on their terms plus they're both in Wyc's good books.

KG should also be given some sort of assistant coaching position when his playing days are done, even if it's a token one. Having him just ride off into the sunset would badly affect the ongoing blue collar work ethic of the club.




False on both counts. First Kg and Paul retiring as celtics has zero effect on what free agents decide to come here. You think Lebron would say oh look Kg and Pierce retired as a celtics, that organization is so great in treating their players right by letting the players finish they careers with the team. with so let me go join them. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. Even the Great Larry Bird didn't retire with the Celtics. I was surprised when I found that out years ago.

Second the Celtics doesn't owe Kg any coaching position and it doesn't affect negatively on them. Maybe Kg doesn't want anything to do with coaching at all when he retires and just wants to spend time with those close to him.

KG has earned over $328,500,000 in salary playing in the NBA (exclusive of endorsements). He's not playing at the age of 37 years on bad wheels because he needs the money. He's still playing because he bleeds green. So I would suggest that he would be interested in coaching after he retires so he can spend time with those close to him ... the Celtics.

Source: http://nesn.com/2012/08/kevin-garnett-leads-list-of-nba-players-with-highest-career-salary-earnings-celtics-had-four-of-top/


That's not how the nba works. If it was based on who has made the most money, Lebron would be a coach after he retires. Heck even Kobe or ray Allen too. Kg seems like the type of player who would just fade into the sunset or do something in the tv media. He might even be part of the celtics organization is some small capacity but not coaching.

You haven't read any of my posts properly.

It has nothing to do with the money, of which KG has bucketloads. He is still playing at 37 years of age on bad legs because he loves the Celtics and still has something to prove to himself.

My suggestion as to him coaching is a separate issue altogether. KG has established a legacy with the club which I don't think he will just simply walk away from upon hanging up his high tops.

If you haven't yet been able to comprehend the impact that KG has had on the Celtics' culture since he arrived then I can't really help you with that. So like Janet Jackson sang you probably won't know what you've got till it's gone. Just like Larry when he apparently ended his playing days elsewhere...
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Post by: Monkhouse on May 27, 2013, 11:53:59 AM
I don't agree with this position that only the name on the front of the jersey matters. If you're a player I hate and you come to the Celtics I'm still going to hate you. And if the Celtics built a team of players I couldn't stand then I'd have to walk away from the team until those players got replaced.I'd still say I was a Celtics fan but Id point out "not right now."



And another thing that's kind of bugged me as of late. When Ray Allen took his talents to south beach this place exploded with people call him a trader and saying he had no loyalty. But now it seems that many people want Paul to get dumped.


Not everyone thinks the way you do. I'm a celtics fan and I will always root for them even when they do some stupid stuff. I might Stopping watching a few games to show my digust with them, but I wouldn't totally give up on them. Also I wasn't a celtics fan because of Paul pierce and co, but instead i became a fan of the team in general.

You can quote multiple posts... You don't need to make 8 posts in this thread just to quote one lol.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: badshar on May 27, 2013, 12:01:40 PM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

Actually pierce voiced that he wanted out of Boston and was also a terd for quite a bit of his celtics tenure. He wouldn't be here and he's only here because Danny got him some help in KG and Ray. So Pierce actually owes a lot to Ainge.
You're missing the point as to why pierce would be waived. He'd never be dumped just for payroll purposes for the Celtics. He's worth more to the organization just selling jerseys and tickets than to just dump him...we'd still be over the cap. He'd be dumped so another team can use his contract as a way to lower their payroll thus giving us assets, or he'd be dumped to a contender so they can use his veteran leadership to actually win a championship, again to give us assets.
Pierce will always be a Celtic. If we can get something that gets us closer to the next championship for his whale of a deal then that's great, the name on the front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back, and Pierce knows this and understands that whatever happens, happens.
The day the Lakers overtake us is a sad day. If he were to get rid of Pierce, no matter what route he takes, Pierce will be picked up by a contender one way or the other.


Ps. There's nothing that's more important than winning a championship
Pierce never said that he wanted out. He asked to either be traded or to be surrounded with better help.
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Post by: The Rondo Show on May 27, 2013, 12:08:46 PM
Nice knowing you
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Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on May 27, 2013, 12:11:38 PM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

so long then pal. I will still support the CELTICS through thick and thin like i have since 1983 and I am sure others will as well who have have supported them longer than me like C's fan since 60's.
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Post by: crownontherocks on May 27, 2013, 12:16:20 PM
1. People keep asking me about the rumored Paul Pierce buyout. No chance. He is a trade asset: expiring deal or you can buy him out for 5m.

BillSimmons


2. For instance - if N.O. wanted to get out of last 3 yrs of Eric Gordon's mini-max deal, they could flip him to Boston for PP + 16th pick.

BillSimmons



Spoke to someone with the Celtics last night, and they laughed off the recent report that the Celtics are "likely" to buy out Pierce.

rich_levine/tweets
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Post by: gpap on May 27, 2013, 12:17:43 PM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

Over exaggerate much??? And a more important question: Have you seen how badly Pierce has declined the last couple years?

In closing, like another fan mentioned, there's nothing more important than a championship.

If dealing Pierce meant it was the right move for the team, then I'd personally drive him to the airport and also stop to get him a coffee on the way there.

I like Paul and also want to see him retire as a Celtic. But, this is the business of winning and losing, not sentimentality.
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Post by: Monkhouse on May 27, 2013, 12:17:48 PM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

Actually pierce voiced that he wanted out of Boston and was also a terd for quite a bit of his celtics tenure. He wouldn't be here and he's only here because Danny got him some help in KG and Ray. So Pierce actually owes a lot to Ainge.
You're missing the point as to why pierce would be waived. He'd never be dumped just for payroll purposes for the Celtics. He's worth more to the organization just selling jerseys and tickets than to just dump him...we'd still be over the cap. He'd be dumped so another team can use his contract as a way to lower their payroll thus giving us assets, or he'd be dumped to a contender so they can use his veteran leadership to actually win a championship, again to give us assets.
Pierce will always be a Celtic. If we can get something that gets us closer to the next championship for his whale of a deal then that's great, the name on the front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back, and Pierce knows this and understands that whatever happens, happens.
The day the Lakers overtake us is a sad day. If he were to get rid of Pierce, no matter what route he takes, Pierce will be picked up by a contender one way or the other.


Ps. There's nothing that's more important than winning a championship
Pierce never said that he wanted out. He asked to either be traded or to be surrounded with better help.

Agreed that is basically the equivalent to what KG has said.

Every player wants to win a championship. No one wants to be in mediocrity. If I'm Paul Pierce I don't want to live my career years doing nothing. Especially if I feel like I'm an HoFer. I want to cement my legacy, and there's nothing wrong with that.

If the GM doesn't try to do that, then why would I want to be part of any organization hat doesn't care about winning? Should be winning first, then soothing egos second.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: gpap on May 27, 2013, 12:25:27 PM
I don't agree with this position that only the name on the front of the jersey matters. If you're a player I hate and you come to the Celtics I'm still going to hate you. And if the Celtics built a team of players I couldn't stand then I'd have to walk away from the team until those players got replaced.I'd still say I was a Celtics fan but Id point out "not right now."



And another thing that's kind of bugged me as of late. When Ray Allen took his talents to south beach this place exploded with people call him a trader and saying he had no loyalty. But now it seems that many people want Paul to get dumped.

I think Ray's criticism had a lot more to do with the fact that he took less money to play for our arch-rival more so than simply just leaving Boston.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: CelticConcourse on May 27, 2013, 12:33:14 PM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

What if Pierce ASKS to get bought out? (just wonderin')
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: Tgro on May 27, 2013, 12:38:38 PM
Where I disagree with the OP is that no matter how much your team blows (Celtics in 2007,) they are your team and you follow them and look for things to be excited for.

TP

That includes with or WITHOUT PP.

The Celtics were around before PP and they will be after PP and KG and RR and everyone else too.

And as much as we all hated seeing Ray join the hated rival Heat because it seemed like a punk move at the time, you have to wonder if PP and KG are a little more understanding seeing him in position to win another ring while the Celtics seem further away from even sniffing a ring.

Regardless, if the Celtics suddenly had none of our stars and the record of the Charlotte Bobcats, I'd still love them and look forward to better days. 
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: NocturnalRebel on May 27, 2013, 01:12:20 PM
I'm also hoping for KG and PP to retire as Celtics.

If they do, then Danny might be able to point to that when trying to recruit stars in future; that Boston has a history of treating its franchise cornerstones respectfully at the end of their careers. Bird and McHae are other examples. Regardless of that, they've earned the right to go out on their terms plus they're both in Wyc's good books.

KG should also be given some sort of assistant coaching position when his playing days are done, even if it's a token one. Having him just ride off into the sunset would badly affect the ongoing blue collar work ethic of the club.


False on both counts. First Kg and Paul retiring as celtics has zero effect on what free agents decide to come here. You think Lebron would say oh look Kg and Pierce retired as a celtics, that organization is so great in treating their players right by letting the players finish they careers with the team. with so let me go join them. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. Even the Great Larry Bird didn't retire with the Celtics. I was surprised when I found that out years ago.

Second the Celtics doesn't owe Kg any coaching position and it doesn't affect negatively on them. Maybe Kg doesn't want anything to do with coaching at all when he retires and just wants to spend time with those close to him.

First of all Larry only ever played for the Celtics. He may have coached elsewhere but he retired as a player in Boston. That's what I'm talking about. Not sure what you mean.

Second of all, how do you know what effect their retirement in Boston may or may not have on other free agents? I said it was a possibility. I also said 'franchise cornerstones' not 'players'. There's a big difference.

I guess I'm just not the type of person who would just put old sick grandma in a retirement home to rot away after she has dedicated her best years to supporting the family, while others appear happy to do so because the 'grass is greener' elsewhere. Loyalty is Royalty.

Preach.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 27, 2013, 01:15:55 PM
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That includes with or WITHOUT PP.

The Celtics were around before PP and they will be after PP and KG and RR and everyone else too.

I think the 86 team would own the 08 team.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: kgainez on May 27, 2013, 01:20:25 PM
There's something more important than getting a championship. Pierce has stood for the culture of this team for more than a decade. His value is much more than the contribution on the court, and his current contract was actually a bargain for the Celtics at the time Pierce agreed the deal.

If Danny dumps Pierce just to lower the payroll for one single season, I simply won't follow the Celtics next season, and we know they're not going to contend anyway. Moreover, I bet somewhere a bald dude will laugh at us if it really happens.

where the heck have you people been?
Paul has stated HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE AROUND FOR ANOTHER REBUILD!! Paul has also stated HE WILL WILLINGLY TEST OUT FREE AGENCY!!
Stop choosing to be loyal to someone who's not interested in being loyal to you.
If he goes, that means we're rebuilding. DA is doing the RIGHT thing by letting him go. He's also doing Paulie a solid.

Jesus, guys, relax.
Title: Re: If Danny buys out the captain I won't follow C's next season
Post by: syfy9 on May 27, 2013, 01:28:44 PM
I guess I'm just not the type of person who would just put old sick grandma in a retirement home to rot away after she has dedicated her best years to supporting the family, while others appear happy to do so because the 'grass is greener' elsewhere. Loyalty is Royalty.

Pierce isn't an old sick grandma in a retirement home.

Yeah, he's old. Yeah, he's sick. But he isn't in a retirement home.

He's employed and getting payed millions. I don't want to see Pierce gone either, but let's face it. If we want what's best for grandma, we should send grandma to a contender (not a retirement home) so grandma can have one more legit chance at a ring. Why let her rot here? It's basically as worse as a retirement home.

I say we should let grandma decide on whether she wants to stay or go, imo.