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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: mcshane41 on May 24, 2013, 03:38:44 PM
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The idea of moving Pierce for Gordon sounded odd since the Pelicans don't need salary cap relief or an aging vet for a title run.. I also found it interesting that the C's have so many 2nd round talents coming in for draft workouts. So I dreamed up this whopper of a trade, which actually works under CBA rules.
In a three team deal:
BOS sends Pierce to GS w/ DJ White
BOS sends Bradley, pick #16, Crawford, TWill, Shavlik to NO
NO sends Eric Gordon to BOS
GS sends David Lee to BOS
Would anyone go for it? *shrug*
GS makes out pretty well, they don't need Lee (see playoffs, 2013) and shedding his salary creates HUGE cap room for this young team in 2014. Pierce likely makes them better in 2013/14
NO cuts its loses on Gordon. The kid could be a dynamite scorer but can he stay on the court and does he even want to be in NO? Clearly they sell low here. Imagine his value in a year if he posts a 20ppg avg next year? I doubt they move him but getting a pick and Bradley isn't half bad return. Building a young team is tough and a hard nosed guy like AB would be great for their chemistry. (which is why it would not be fun to lose him).
BOS *could* get a go-to scorer in Gordon and a solid rebounding/inside scoring PF in Lee. If KG returned (big if after trading PP) with Rondo & Sully this would become a very interesting team. Plenty of scoring punch inside & out and a heckuva rebounding front line. If the D held up and these guys stayed healthy they'd be a top team in the east. OR they could be rebuilding without KG, AB, their #1 pick and two overpaid guys who never get healthy.. So there's that.
I had fun researching the CBA economics and dreaming it up anyways.
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cap doesnt work in the gordon trade
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The idea of moving Pierce for Gordon sounded odd since the Pelicans don't need salary cap relief or an aging vet for a title run.. I also found it interesting that the C's have so many 2nd round talents coming in for draft workouts. So I dreamed up this whopper of a trade, which actually works under CBA rules.
In a three team deal:
BOS sends Pierce to GS w/ DJ White
BOS sends Bradley, pick #16, Crawford, TWill, Shavlik to NO
NO sends Eric Gordon to BOS
GS sends David Lee to BOS
Would anyone go for it? *shrug*
GS makes out pretty well, they don't need Lee (see playoffs, 2013) and shedding his salary creates HUGE cap room for this young team in 2014. Pierce likely makes them better in 2013/14
NO cuts its loses on Gordon. The kid could be a dynamite scorer but can he stay on the court and does he even want to be in NO? Clearly they sell low here. Imagine his value in a year if he posts a 20ppg avg next year? I doubt they move him but getting a pick and Bradley isn't half bad return. Building a young team is tough and a hard nosed guy like AB would be great for their chemistry. (which is why it would not be fun to lose him).
BOS *could* get a go-to scorer in Gordon and a solid rebounding/inside scoring PF in Lee. If KG returned (big if after trading PP) with Rondo & Sully this would become a very interesting team. Plenty of scoring punch inside & out and a heckuva rebounding front line. If the D held up and these guys stayed healthy they'd be a top team in the east. OR they could be rebuilding without KG, AB, their #1 pick and two overpaid guys who never get healthy.. So there's that.
I had fun researching the CBA economics and dreaming it up anyways.
You really think you could get Lee (a double double guy) AND Gordon for Pierce, Bradley, a mid #1 and filler?
GS would laugh big time at what you're giving them. Bogut can't be counted on and therefore Lee is their best big by far. You don't trade that for Pierce when you have Barnes and Thompson...
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cap doesnt work in the gordon trade
It does, this is a 3-team trade so the combined out going salaries work to bring in that haul.
You really think you could get Lee (a double double guy) AND Gordon for Pierce, Bradley, a mid #1 and filler?
No, of course not. I think its a pipe dream, just like pretty much every trade idea on this forum. It's just for fun. Also, Lee is nice player but his contract and league worst D brings his value down, it's Gordon that is the gem in this group.
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Also, Lee is nice player but his contract and league worst D brings his value down, it's Gordon that is the gem in this group.
That was a really, really, really low blow against Lee. His defense is the worst in the league?
It may not be the elite defense we see from the likes of Duncan, KG, and Noah, but he's not a liability. Just because someone isn't known for their defense doesn't mean that they are bad defenders.
Lee's defense is, imo, average defense. Not stellar or lock down, but solid. It really seems like some of his defensive troubles are amplified, which isn't fair, because he's had a lot more defensive accomplishments.
Lee is more worth his contract than Pierce is worth his, too. Did you forget that he was an all-star this season?
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Also, Lee is nice player but his contract and league worst D brings his value down, it's Gordon that is the gem in this group.
That was a really, really, really low blow against Lee. His defense is the worst in the league?
It may not be the elite defense we see from the likes of Duncan, KG, and Noah, but he's not a liability. Just because someone isn't known for their defense doesn't mean that they are bad defenders.
Lee's defense is, imo, average defense. Not stellar or lock down, but solid. It really seems like some of his defensive troubles are amplified, which isn't fair, because he's had a lot more defensive accomplishments.
Lee is more worth his contract than Pierce is worth his, too. Did you forget that he was an all-star this season?
"As I prepared my research paper [PDF] on interior defense for this week’s Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, I had a couple of these moments. The paper’s main point is that new kinds of analytics can reveal the abilities of the NBA’s interior defenders with newfound clarity. But as I did the analyses I couldn’t believe how bad David Lee’s numbers were. My analysis was saying that opponents hit 61 percent of their shots when David Lee was defending near the basket. This is a really high number."
If it's a low blow, it's one that shows up at the Sloan Conference (for what that's worth).
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/52811/courtvision-david-lees-interior-defense-a-k-a-the-golden-gate
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I'm glad someone posted that link, that was where I got my impression on Lee's D being so terrible, it wasn't my observation but what I read about him.
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I'm not so sure NOLA would take Bradley, pick #16, Crawford, TWill, Shavlik...
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Also, Lee is nice player but his contract and league worst D brings his value down, it's Gordon that is the gem in this group.
That was a really, really, really low blow against Lee. His defense is the worst in the league?
It may not be the elite defense we see from the likes of Duncan, KG, and Noah, but he's not a liability. Just because someone isn't known for their defense doesn't mean that they are bad defenders.
Lee's defense is, imo, average defense. Not stellar or lock down, but solid. It really seems like some of his defensive troubles are amplified, which isn't fair, because he's had a lot more defensive accomplishments.
Lee is more worth his contract than Pierce is worth his, too. Did you forget that he was an all-star this season?
"As I prepared my research paper [PDF] on interior defense for this week’s Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, I had a couple of these moments. The paper’s main point is that new kinds of analytics can reveal the abilities of the NBA’s interior defenders with newfound clarity. But as I did the analyses I couldn’t believe how bad David Lee’s numbers were. My analysis was saying that opponents hit 61 percent of their shots when David Lee was defending near the basket. This is a really high number."
If it's a low blow, it's one that shows up at the Sloan Conference (for what that's worth).
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/52811/courtvision-david-lees-interior-defense-a-k-a-the-golden-gate
61%!! ::)
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