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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: lightspeed5 on May 21, 2013, 03:37:03 PM
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft
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Good thing there draft board is changing like crazy week to week, even day to day. Dont like that pick for some reason. I hope Steven Adams falls to us if we dont trade it.
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If he falls to #16, you almost have to take a guy based on upside.
I just hope he's picked before then. Not really a fan.
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If he falls to #16, you almost have to take a guy based on upside.
I just hope he's picked before then. Not really a fan.
Could not agree more. Would prefer that a big was the one that slipped, but that's probably unlikely.
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Good thing there draft board is changing like crazy week to week, even day to day. Dont like that pick for some reason. I hope Steven Adams falls to us if we dont trade it.
AGree , not feeling the shazzy dude at all, he doesn't seem right for the C's ...can see that name going down in history as one of the worst picks ever to flop.
no shazzzy bttute
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Bring Shabazz to Boston!
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Bring Shabazz to Boston!
Im all for it. Even if we have to move up to get him. If he is available in the 11-15 range I say Danny should make a deal.
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I said this once and will say it again.
I'd even move up to make sure that this guy plays for Boston.
All Star talent with great competitiveness (potentially of course) doesnt come that often. His flaws can be fixed, with the coaching we have.
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I'd be ok with it. Seems like he is a good scorer, and has the right body for the NBA. Only thing is he likes to go to his strong hand (Left) A lot.. I mean A LOT. So he needs to work on that, but he is still a baby and will get better at that.
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I said this once and will say it again.
I'd even move up to make sure that this guy plays for Boston.
All Star talent with great competitiveness (potentially of course) doesnt come that often. His flaws can be fixed, with the coaching we have.
Couldnt have said it any better.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft
I find the NBADraft.net board completely unreliable. DraftExpress mocks tend to reflect the real results better.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft
I find the NBADraft.net board completely unreliable. DraftExpress mocks tend to reflect the real results better.
Agreed. Right now nbadraft.net has Rice at 34, Withey at 35 and Tony Snell at 19. Those picks seem odd.
Plus the draftexpress guy, Givony, actually attends all the camps etc. and appears to have access to "sources," whatever that means.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft
I find the NBADraft.net board completely unreliable. DraftExpress mocks tend to reflect the real results better.
Agreed. Right now nbadraft.net has Rice at 34, Withey at 35 and Tony Snell at 19. Those picks seem odd.
Plus the draftexpress guy, Givony, actually attends all the camps etc. and appears to have access to "sources," whatever that means.
And an actual clue about basketball. NBADraft depends on some sort of "scout" reports of dubious quality.
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Shabazz is my pick for rookie for the year in 2013-2014 season. This is a weak draft also take that into consideration. ;D
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This is a rare talent. If he falls, snatch him. Do not draft a weak 7 footer, just use the strategy of drafting the best player available at that point.
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shabazz is left handed? had no idea
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This is a rare talent. If he falls, snatch him. Do not draft a weak 7 footer, just use the strategy of drafting the best player available at that point.
You can never go wrong drafting that way.
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He stinks on D, no thank you.
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If he could get over himself, he'd be a good player. In a video I watched he moped off the court after his teammate hit the game winner, thats not cool, and has looser written all over it.
Plus his D is weak because he just wants to play offense. If he could change these things he'd be a beast.
I'd almost rather take a shot on Rice Jr, his man on man D is a little weak, but at least he gets back and makes attempts. And he's already been humbled. That can make a player hungry.
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I've had a strong feeling that he was going to fall for weeks. Part of me really hopes he does because I still think he's going to make it in the league just because of his attitude
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I said this once and will say it again.
I'd even move up to make sure that this guy plays for Boston.
All Star talent with great competitiveness (potentially of course) doesnt come that often. His flaws can be fixed, with the coaching we have.
Not sure you'll find 2 people on this board who are higher on Shabazz than me and Yoki lol
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I said this once and will say it again.
I'd even move up to make sure that this guy plays for Boston.
All Star talent with great competitiveness (potentially of course) doesnt come that often. His flaws can be fixed, with the coaching we have
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Not sure you'll find 2 people on this board who are higher on Shabazz than me and Yoki lol
I'm all for Shabazz he is a top 5 talent if not top 3 in this draft.
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The guy is a James Harden type scorer. Knock down 3pt shooter who can slash to the cup and REBOUND!!! Shabazz has a complete game imo
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From nbadraft.net:
"Fierce competitor with a scorers mentality ... Displays a killer instinct missing from many other prospect's games ... Uses screens to create catch-and-shoot opportunities well ... Quick .... release, solid mechanices with range out to three point territory ... Can use his body to create space and get shots off near the basket ... Length (6-11 + wingspan) helps him get his shot off and create post-up opportunities against smaller wings ... Not afraid of contact and has the ability to get to the line at a high rate ... Was very proficient as an offensive rebounder, has a nose for the ball ... .. Noted for a strong work ethic, plays with a chip on his shoulder ... Wants the ball in the clutch and not shaken in end of game situations ... Length gives him potential as a defender ... Athleticism is quite solid and has an ability to play major minutes at optimum conditioning level ... Makes his move very quickly, does not stop the ball or take a lot of time off of the clock ... Shows a strong passion for the game and a will to improve .
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If they are right, sounds a lot like someone who dropped to us at the 10th slot in the late '90s. This guy is a game changer whose value has dropped due to the Tourette's/OCD/ADD depression issues.
Lets hope GMs are Royce White scared of this guy.
Sully last year. This year Shabazz?!?!
As others have said, I'd move up for him too.
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From nbadraft.net:
"Fierce competitor with a scorers mentality ... Displays a killer instinct missing from many other prospect's games ... Uses screens to create catch-and-shoot opportunities well ... Quick .... release, solid mechanices with range out to three point territory ... Can use his body to create space and get shots off near the basket ... Length (6-11 + wingspan) helps him get his shot off and create post-up opportunities against smaller wings ... Not afraid of contact and has the ability to get to the line at a high rate ... Was very proficient as an offensive rebounder, has a nose for the ball ... .. Noted for a strong work ethic, plays with a chip on his shoulder ... Wants the ball in the clutch and not shaken in end of game situations ... Length gives him potential as a defender ... Athleticism is quite solid and has an ability to play major minutes at optimum conditioning level ... Makes his move very quickly, does not stop the ball or take a lot of time off of the clock ... Shows a strong passion for the game and a will to improve .
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If they are right, sounds a lot like someone who dropped to us at the 10th slot in the late '90s. This guy is a game changer whose value has dropped due to the Tourette's/OCD/ADD depression issues.
Lets hope GMs are Royce White scared of this guy.
Sully last year. This year Shabazz?!?!
As others have said, I'd move up for him too.
To be completely honest, a lot of his game reminds me of our own Paul Pierce.
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http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2013/05/cavalier-nba-draft-film-room-shabazz-muhammad/
A great scouting report on Shabazz
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From nbadraft.net:
"Fierce competitor with a scorers mentality ... Displays a killer instinct missing from many other prospect's games ... Uses screens to create catch-and-shoot opportunities well ... Quick .... release, solid mechanices with range out to three point territory ... Can use his body to create space and get shots off near the basket ... Length (6-11 + wingspan) helps him get his shot off and create post-up opportunities against smaller wings ... Not afraid of contact and has the ability to get to the line at a high rate ... Was very proficient as an offensive rebounder, has a nose for the ball ... .. Noted for a strong work ethic, plays with a chip on his shoulder ... Wants the ball in the clutch and not shaken in end of game situations ... Length gives him potential as a defender ... Athleticism is quite solid and has an ability to play major minutes at optimum conditioning level ... Makes his move very quickly, does not stop the ball or take a lot of time off of the clock ... Shows a strong passion for the game and a will to improve .
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If they are right, sounds a lot like someone who dropped to us at the 10th slot in the late '90s. This guy is a game changer whose value has dropped due to the Tourette's/OCD/ADD depression issues.
Lets hope GMs are Royce White scared of this guy.
Sully last year. This year Shabazz?!?!
As others have said, I'd move up for him too.
To be completely honest, a lot of his game reminds me of our own Paul Pierce.
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding......PP is that guy who dropped to us at 10 in the late 90s that I alluded to above.
TP for you.
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I'm all for optimism, but again, this nbadraft mock seems bogus.
In order for Shabazz to fall to 16, the following players all have to be taken before him (setting aside the top 8 ) :
Bennett
Saric
Olynyk
Schroeder
Caldwell-Pope
Carter-Williams
Adams
Do we really think these guys will end up being higher on GM's boards than Shabazz? With the way scoring seems to be valued by GMs?
I mean, the knocks on him are (a) attitude and (b) age. But as this piece points out, his numbers even for his age project very well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/18/4342846/shabazz-muhammad-nba-draft-2013-harrison-barnes
So, all we are left with are the attitude issues, which seem more about being a bad teammate than about being uncompetitive or lazy - to me the second is a much worse type of problem. And, NBA GMs often feel like they can fix attitude problems.
I have no strong opinion about how good he will end up being, but I feel pretty confident thinking he won't slip to us.
If I had to bet, I'd guess he ends up going in the 5-10 range.
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no thanks
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From nbadraft.net:
"Fierce competitor with a scorers mentality ... Displays a killer instinct missing from many other prospect's games ... Uses screens to create catch-and-shoot opportunities well ... Quick .... release, solid mechanices with range out to three point territory ... Can use his body to create space and get shots off near the basket ... Length (6-11 + wingspan) helps him get his shot off and create post-up opportunities against smaller wings ... Not afraid of contact and has the ability to get to the line at a high rate ... Was very proficient as an offensive rebounder, has a nose for the ball ... .. Noted for a strong work ethic, plays with a chip on his shoulder ... Wants the ball in the clutch and not shaken in end of game situations ... Length gives him potential as a defender ... Athleticism is quite solid and has an ability to play major minutes at optimum conditioning level ... Makes his move very quickly, does not stop the ball or take a lot of time off of the clock ... Shows a strong passion for the game and a will to improve .
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If they are right, sounds a lot like someone who dropped to us at the 10th slot in the late '90s. This guy is a game changer whose value has dropped due to the Tourette's/OCD/ADD depression issues.
Lets hope GMs are Royce White scared of this guy.
Sully last year. This year Shabazz?!?!
As others have said, I'd move up for him too.
To be completely honest, a lot of his game reminds me of our own Paul Pierce.
In what way? Shabazz was at his best moving around screens and shooting off the catch. Pierce can do that but it's not a strength. Shabazz was inefficient at every other part of the game, especially off the dribble. He also favors one-handed push shots. When Pierce was Shabazz's age, he could blow by his man and for his entire career, I can't remember many one-handed push shots at all.
That's just on offense. Pierce was a very good defender with excellent lateral quickness. Shabazz was a weak defender at UCLA.
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I'm all for optimism, but again, this nbadraft mock seems bogus.
In order for Shabazz to fall to 16, the following players all have to be taken before him (setting aside the top 8 ) :
Bennett
Saric
Olynyk
Schroeder
Caldwell-Pope
Carter-Williams
Adams
Do we really think these guys will end up being higher on GM's boards than Shabazz? With the way scoring seems to be valued by GMs?
I mean, the knocks on him are (a) attitude and (b) age. But as this piece points out, his numbers even for his age project very well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/18/4342846/shabazz-muhammad-nba-draft-2013-harrison-barnes
So, all we are left with are the attitude issues, which seem more about being a bad teammate than about being uncompetitive or lazy - to me the second is a much worse type of problem. And, NBA GMs often feel like they can fix attitude problems.
I have no strong opinion about how good he will end up being, but I feel pretty confident thinking he won't slip to us.
If I had to bet, I'd guess he ends up going in the 5-10 range.
I absolutely agree with you. I think it's a slim chance he falls to 16. I could see a number of teams grabbing him in the late lottery.
In what way? Shabazz was at his best moving around screens and shooting off the catch. Pierce can do that but it's not a strength. Shabazz was inefficient at every other part of the game, especially off the dribble. He also favors one-handed push shots. When Pierce was Shabazz's age, he could blow by his man and for his entire career, I can't remember many one-handed push shots at all.
That's just on offense. Pierce was a very good defender with excellent lateral quickness. Shabazz was a weak defender at UCLA.
I guess what I meant by comparing him to Pierce was more from a physical stand point and those types of atrributes and the fact that he is falling down boards.
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Shabazz would certainly have about the highest upside of anyone who could be available at #16. Assuming Danny didn't make a promise to Giannis (which I actually hope he did), I'd be quite pleased if we got Shabazz. Sure, he might flame out, but we're talking the #16 pick in a weak draft. He's easily worth the risk at that point. In January, it was between him and Noel for #1 overall. Then he had an immature moment because he didn't get to take the last shot (although he recovered his composure by the time post-game interviews happened), and then it was found out that he was a year older, which was a major red flag, but of his parent's creation, and not his. So he should have been a sophomore -- a lot of the top 10 will be at least that old. #16 would be a steal.
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I'm all for optimism, but again, this nbadraft mock seems bogus.
In order for Shabazz to fall to 16, the following players all have to be taken before him (setting aside the top 8 ) :
Bennett
Saric
Olynyk
Schroeder
Caldwell-Pope
Carter-Williams
Adams
Do we really think these guys will end up being higher on GM's boards than Shabazz? With the way scoring seems to be valued by GMs?
I mean, the knocks on him are (a) attitude and (b) age. But as this piece points out, his numbers even for his age project very well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/18/4342846/shabazz-muhammad-nba-draft-2013-harrison-barnes
So, all we are left with are the attitude issues, which seem more about being a bad teammate than about being uncompetitive or lazy - to me the second is a much worse type of problem. And, NBA GMs often feel like they can fix attitude problems.
I have no strong opinion about how good he will end up being, but I feel pretty confident thinking he won't slip to us.
If I had to bet, I'd guess he ends up going in the 5-10 range.
I absolutely agree with you. I think it's a slim chance he falls to 16. I could see a number of teams grabbing him in the late lottery.
In what way? Shabazz was at his best moving around screens and shooting off the catch. Pierce can do that but it's not a strength. Shabazz was inefficient at every other part of the game, especially off the dribble. He also favors one-handed push shots. When Pierce was Shabazz's age, he could blow by his man and for his entire career, I can't remember many one-handed push shots at all.
That's just on offense. Pierce was a very good defender with excellent lateral quickness. Shabazz was a weak defender at UCLA.
I guess what I meant by comparing him to Pierce was more from a physical stand point and those types of atrributes and the fact that he is falling down boards.
But even from a physical standpoint I don't think they're a like. From a superficial glance, one wouldn't figure Pierce to have a quick first step or excellent lateral agility but he did. He had very good phone booth athleticism. Shabazz rates much lower in those categories.
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I'm all for optimism, but again, this nbadraft mock seems bogus.
In order for Shabazz to fall to 16, the following players all have to be taken before him (setting aside the top 8 ) :
Bennett
Saric
Olynyk
Schroeder
Caldwell-Pope
Carter-Williams
Adams
Do we really think these guys will end up being higher on GM's boards than Shabazz? With the way scoring seems to be valued by GMs?
I mean, the knocks on him are (a) attitude and (b) age. But as this piece points out, his numbers even for his age project very well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/18/4342846/shabazz-muhammad-nba-draft-2013-harrison-barnes
So, all we are left with are the attitude issues, which seem more about being a bad teammate than about being uncompetitive or lazy - to me the second is a much worse type of problem. And, NBA GMs often feel like they can fix attitude problems.
I have no strong opinion about how good he will end up being, but I feel pretty confident thinking he won't slip to us.
If I had to bet, I'd guess he ends up going in the 5-10 range.
From that list Bennett is the only lock to go ahead of Shabazz. I think he probably goes ahead of all the others
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Even after the draft lottery they still have us taking shabazz
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I believe Shabazz will fall to us in the draft just like Sully and Bradley. Hopefully the trend continues.
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I'm all for optimism, but again, this nbadraft mock seems bogus.
In order for Shabazz to fall to 16, the following players all have to be taken before him (setting aside the top 8 ) :
Bennett
Saric
Olynyk
Schroeder
Caldwell-Pope
Carter-Williams
Adams
Do we really think these guys will end up being higher on GM's boards than Shabazz? With the way scoring seems to be valued by GMs?
I mean, the knocks on him are (a) attitude and (b) age. But as this piece points out, his numbers even for his age project very well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/18/4342846/shabazz-muhammad-nba-draft-2013-harrison-barnes
So, all we are left with are the attitude issues, which seem more about being a bad teammate than about being uncompetitive or lazy - to me the second is a much worse type of problem. And, NBA GMs often feel like they can fix attitude problems.
I have no strong opinion about how good he will end up being, but I feel pretty confident thinking he won't slip to us.
If I had to bet, I'd guess he ends up going in the 5-10 range.
I absolutely agree with you. I think it's a slim chance he falls to 16. I could see a number of teams grabbing him in the late lottery.
In what way? Shabazz was at his best moving around screens and shooting off the catch. Pierce can do that but it's not a strength. Shabazz was inefficient at every other part of the game, especially off the dribble. He also favors one-handed push shots. When Pierce was Shabazz's age, he could blow by his man and for his entire career, I can't remember many one-handed push shots at all.
That's just on offense. Pierce was a very good defender with excellent lateral quickness. Shabazz was a weak defender at UCLA.
I guess what I meant by comparing him to Pierce was more from a physical stand point and those types of atrributes and the fact that he is falling down boards.
But even from a physical standpoint I don't think they're a like. From a superficial glance, one wouldn't figure Pierce to have a quick first step or excellent lateral agility but he did. He had very good phone booth athleticism. Shabazz rates much lower in those categories.
TP for "phone booth athleticism."
Also, the dude seems talented (esp. for the post-lotto in a weak draft), and at that point you gamble that nebulous character issues are easier to correct than talent, especially when you're not an organization known for disarray and disfunction... right?
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As much as I can't stand the lone ranger antics of Shabbazz, if he drops to us there is zero chance of us passing him up.
I hate gambling on guys like this in the lottery but if he falls to 16 Danny is all over him. We are the perfect place for a kid like this. Our staff, our coach, our veterans. Couldn't be a better place to help this talented punk pull his head out of his ass.
Gotta roll the dice.
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Wow, I didn't know he had Tourette's.
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The only problem I have for this kid is he plays hero ball. I guess he is an upgrade over Jordan Crawford.
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Wow, I didn't know he had Tourette's.
I think a lot of people don't, nor do they realize that the OCD, ADD and depression that all have a high co-morbidity with Tourette's and which afflict Shabazz to varying degrees, also greatly color people's perspectives on him, particularly about his "attitude."
These conditions can all be managed by proper consistent medication.
Let's hope that other GMs are spooked by this and stay away. (Maybe Royce White's situation will help us.)
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Tourettes definitely makes GM's turn their head away. Its because they don't it'll be a good turnabout for their organization. Messed as is I see the Celtics taking them if Shabazz is available. We love taking on the crazy guys lol.
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Please no Shabazz...YUCK
Dieng would be MUCH better
Nab Rodney Williams out of the second round somehow - he's the best athlete in the draft...great for defense and running the floor
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Chad Ford: Well it looks like Danny Ainge has gotten lucky again. Another highly touted prospect has fallen into his laps.
Andy Katz: Yea Chad, I understand the concerns but I find it hard to believe 15 teams have passed on Shabazz.
David Stern: With the 16th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, the Boston Celtics select Kelly Olnyk.
This, is my nightmare.
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Chad Ford: Well it looks like Danny Ainge has gotten lucky again. Another highly touted prospect has fallen into his laps.
Andy Katz: Yea Chad, I understand the concerns but I find it hard to believe 15 teams have passed on Shabazz.
David Stern: With the 16th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, the Boston Celtics select Kelly Olnyk.
This, is my nightmare.
This is the guy I would be upset if they drafted. Of course he has skill but his rebounding numbers are not where they should be. Considering the conference Gonzaga was in. DONT DO IT DANNY!
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olynk is horrendous. His arm span is the same as rondo's.
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If Shabazz falls to 16, you have to take him. His talent level is that good. But, because of mental makeup, he could have the ability to be the biggest bust in this draft. But you have to take him if he is there because he also has the potential to be the best player drafted in this class.
I didn't like some of the video I saw of him pouting because he didn't get a pass after calling for the ball or his body language late in games when a play clearly wasn't drawn up for him. I don't like chuckers and Shabazz has the biggest chucker potential in this draft by a landslide.
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If Shabazz falls to 16, you have to take him. His talent level is that good. But, because of mental makeup, he could have the ability to be the biggest bust in this draft. But you have to take him if he is there because he also has the potential to be the best player drafted in this class.
I didn't like some of the video I saw of him pouting because he didn't get a pass after calling for the ball or his body language late in games when a play clearly wasn't drawn up for him. I don't like chuckers and Shabazz has the biggest chucker potential in this draft by a landslide.
For proof of chucker potential, NBADraft.net has his NBA comparison listed as Nick Young
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olynk is horrendous. His arm span is the same as rondo's.
That guy is compared to Fabricio Oberto for crying out loud. Olynk will be just like him getting about 5 min per game.
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olynk is horrendous. His arm span is the same as rondo's.
That guy is compared to Fabricio Oberto for crying out loud. Olynk will be just like him getting about 5 min per game.
LOL. Wingspan is one thing, but I wouldn't base too much on nbadraft.net player comparisons
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Chad Ford: Well it looks like Danny Ainge has gotten lucky again. Another highly touted prospect has fallen into his laps.
Andy Katz: Yea Chad, I understand the concerns but I find it hard to believe 15 teams have passed on Shabazz.
David Stern: With the 16th pick in the 2013 NBA draft, the Boston Celtics select Kelly Olnyk.
This, is my nightmare.
I prefer Olnyk to Shabazz...
Yet, I also prefer Dieng to Olynk.
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olynk is horrendous. His arm span is the same as rondo's.
That guy is compared to Fabricio Oberto for crying out loud. Olynk will be just like him getting about 5 min per game.
LOL. Wingspan is one thing, but I wouldn't base too much on nbadraft.net player comparisons
He looks like a clone of him. Long haired 7 footer LOL maybe im wrong. Time will tell.
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olynk is horrendous. His arm span is the same as rondo's.
That guy is compared to Fabricio Oberto for crying out loud. Olynk will be just like him getting about 5 min per game.
LOL. Wingspan is one thing, but I wouldn't base too much on nbadraft.net player comparisons
Haha yeah.
Paul George was compared to Trevor Ariza.
Hasheem Thabeet to Dikembe Mutumbo.
Jrue Holiday to Flip Murry
Haha Avery Bradley to Monta Ellis?!
Stephen Curry to Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf!
Dont look into these comparisons too much.
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olynk is horrendous. His arm span is the same as rondo's.
They also said he's the best ball handler, shooter and easily the most skilled big man in the draft.
He might have short arms but he's still pushing 7 feet with ball skills of a point guard and excellent footwork. Could be better than you think.
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Bad Attitude plus money equals a bigger bad attitude. I see OJ Mayo...not much more.
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I doubt Shabazz's tourette's is going to affect his draft stock. Before his father said anything publicly about it, I don't think anybody knew. Maybe his teammates did (although I wouldn't be certain because people with tourette's can hide it) but I certainly didn't see anything from watching him. It's definitely a mild case, a hundred times milder than the tourette's Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. When he was being interviewed at the combine, you could definitely see a few neck twitches but at the same time, if it wasn't known that he had tourette's, I wouldn't have thought anything about it. It's not going to interfere with his athletic career. Come on. There are a lot of people living normal lives with tourette's, mild or not. I don't know why it'd be a red flag.
Look at Roy Hibbert. In college he twitched his eyes a lot. He's done it a lot less as a pro but he still does it from time to time. It doesn't affect his ability to play the game.
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Doesn't Greg Dickerson have Tourette's?
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Shabazz is really a fat 2 guard with long arms.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Shabazz-Muhammad-6270/
Just short of 6'5" 220+
He is actually slower in the 3/4 sprint than Zeller and Plumlee
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No way he falls that far, even with his share of criticisms.
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If Shabazz is available, there is no way Ainge is not taking him. He just fits too many of Ainge's trends. Ainge likes to take prospects who fell for whatever reason (Bradley, Gerald Green, Sullinger). He likes prospects who are long and Shabazz is certainly that. And most absurdly, taking Shabazz would continue Ainge's streak of taking wing players who can't dribble or are considered average under the most generous analysis. Giddens, Bradley, Allen and Green are four of the worst ballhandling wings ever, yes, ever and one man took all of them. Of course it wasn't all bad but I wish he'd value ballhandling more.
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He is actually slower in the 3/4 sprint than Zeller and Plumlee
Well, he's more explosive on the court than Zeller and Plumlee.
I doubt that would be difficult to argue.
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Either Shabazz, Schroeder, or Adams will be available at #16. All 3 are potential All Stars if they receive the right coaching and situation (as it would be with Doc and the Celtics). Shabazz will be a scorer, Schroeder will be a playmaker, and Adams will be a non-injury prone version of Andrew Bogut.
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Either Shabazz, Schroeder, or Adams will be available at #16. All 3 are potential All Stars if they receive the right coaching and situation (as it would be with Doc and the Celtics). Shabazz will be a scorer, Schroeder will be a playmaker, and Adams will be a non-injury prone version of Andrew Bogut.
Potential...but unlikely. Poor man's for all three. No shame though.
Bogut? Just because Adams is foreign? Bogut without injuries is a good finisher who you can run your offense through.
Would Tyson Chandler not be a better comparison for Adams?
Add Dieng to that list and it'll be my watch list.
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He is actually slower in the 3/4 sprint than Zeller and Plumlee
Well, he's more explosive on the court than Zeller and Plumlee.
I doubt that would be difficult to argue.
Combine numbers can be junk but that aside, I don't think it'd be difficult to argue Shabazz is more explosive than Zeller or Plumlee. Shabazz is not that explosive and Zeller and Plumlee are both really good athletes. Plumlee has stiff hips but as far as a running and jumping, he is definitely more explosive than Shabazz. It'd be difficult to argue otherwise. I'd say as far as on-court explosiveness, Zeller and Shabazz are similar but Zeller is even faster. That's not a big knock against Shabazz because Zeller is fast for any size.
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Well, he's more explosive on the court than Zeller and Plumlee.
This is an absolute falsehood. Combine numbers indicate that Zeller is the more explosive.
Zeller had a 35.5" no step vertical. Shabazz had a 29.5". Plumlee had a 30.5".
Shabazz is not an athlete athlete by any means. Maybe good at best. Zeller is a fantastic athlete. That being said athletic ability does help but is not the end all to being a great player.
I hope we get someone who falls and luck out but personally, I do not want Shabazz.
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/ucla/post/_/id/13325/scrutiny-doesnt-faze-shabazz-muhammad
Seems petty and immature to me. Not at all Celtic in nature.
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Well, he's more explosive on the court than Zeller and Plumlee.
This is an absolute falsehood. Combine numbers indicate that Zeller is the more explosive.
Zeller had a 35.5" no step vertical. Shabazz had a 29.5". Plumlee had a 30.5".
Shabazz is not an athlete athlete by any means. Maybe good at best. Zeller is a fantastic athlete. That being said athletic ability does help but is not the end all to being a great player.
I hope we get someone who falls and luck out but personally, I do not want Shabazz.
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/ucla/post/_/id/13325/scrutiny-doesnt-faze-shabazz-muhammad
Seems petty and immature to me. Not at all Celtic in nature.
Combine numbers don't mean very much. They say that both Zeller and Plumlee are better athletes than Blake Griffin who might be one of the top five greatest athletes ever in the NBA. You have to go by what's on the court and even by that standard, I'd still say Zeller and Plumlee are more athletic than Shabazz.
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Combine numbers don't mean very much.
They mean a lot. People get drafted on their potential. Don't decieve yourself. These numbers can make you rise or fall in the draft. But they are very important and not just in the NBA. Guys in the NFL are selected on their 40 time. If they were not important why does every GM go there?
I said they are not the end all. just being a great athlete does nothing if you don't couple it with an aggressive nature to attack the hole like Blake G.
Shooting is easier to improve on than athletic ability to a large extent you either have it or you do not. You can make minute changes to your muscle fibers whether fast twitch or slow but nothing like you can bulking up or improving your skills. You can't teach athletic ability. It can be improved some with training but if the base is not there, then you are not going to possess it.
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Shabazz is the best player in this draft, imho. In a few other trade threads, I proposed dealing Bradley and the 16th so that we can move up and take him. If he falls to us at 16, then that would be an absolute gift (much like Sully was last year). He doesn't have the handle or passing ability like Harden does, but their games are very similar.
I also love that Shabazz can score in the post and has all kinds of shots in his repertoire. He also has a picturesque stroke and gets his shot off quickly. The best part about his game though, is that he's an absolute assassin. To get two pre-season #1 overall picks in back-to-back years would be pretty cool.
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I got the feeling Shabazz is falling down in the mock drafts not because of physical issues, ala Jarred Sullinger, but because of mental issues, ala Royce White.
Tourrette's can lead to simultaneous other problems including depression and ADHD and OCD and other mental issues that could cause problems. The C's have seen what those effects can have on a player first hand having had Delonte West here. Everyone knows what happened to White and the Rockets. His combine measurements were not good but possibly his interviews and mental health is what has him dropping like a rock in this draft speculation.