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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: rasta1 on May 14, 2013, 11:24:27 AM
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I'd prefer to send Pierce and KG together to golden state for Bogut and Barnes but I'm not sure how much golden state would want to do that.
I just want Pierce to be sent to Cali where he's from, and place both of them on a contender; a trade to GS would also bring back one of their huge expiring contracts (Richard Jefferson or Andris Beindris)
It gives ourself and makes us a tough team
With a guard rotation of Rondo/Bledsoe/Bradley
Starting forwards Barnes and Green
and Jordan at center
I really like us heading into the future
I'd like to extend the MLE to Dalembert..but even then I still like we might be one piece away but we have another offseason to get there
Lee, Terry, Crawford have been expendable and become even more expendable, I'm assuming nobody wants them else a trade would have been made already but maybe we can throw them in with Biendris or Richard Jefferson to make a deal
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GS wouldn't trade Barnes for Pierce at the deadline, so what makes you think they'd do it now?
Barnes has solidified his spot on that team and he's only 20.
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I'd prefer to send Pierce and KG together to golden state for Bogut and Barnes but I'm not sure how much golden state would want to do that.
I just want Pierce to be sent to Cali where he's from, and place both of them on a contender; a trade to GS would also bring back one of their huge expiring contracts (Richard Jefferson or Andris Beindris)
It gives ourself and makes us a tough team
With a guard rotation of Rondo/Bledsoe/Bradley
Starting forwards Barnes and Green
and Jordan at center
I really like us heading into the future
I'd like to extend the MLE to Dalembert..but even then I still like we might be one piece away but we have another offseason to get there
Lee, Terry, Crawford have been expendable and become even more expendable, I'm assuming nobody wants them else a trade would have been made already but maybe we can throw them in with Biendris or Richard Jefferson to make a deal
I would be happy with both these deals, however the C's reportedly offered a similar deal at the trade deadline and were denied. Not sure Barnes play in these playoffs has changed their mind.
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Why would anyone trade Barnes for pierce? Ideal but not realistic
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I think the only chance you have of acquiring Barnes for Pierce is if KG is included.
I think the following would have to happen:
First KG decides he wants to play.
Then GS gets a taste for winning from their success this year and decides to make a run at the title for the next two years.
Then assuming all parties think it's in their best interest, the contracts of Andres Biendrins and Richard Jefferson are sent to Bosotn along with Barnes for Pierce and KG.
We get Barnes and two expirings.
They add KG and Pierce to a core that features Thompson, Curry, Lee, and Bogut.
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While we're talking ideal let's just pick up Lebron for Bass and Lee.
There is no way that GS would even consider giving up Barnes for Pierce. Let's be realistic here folks....
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I think the only chance you have of acquiring Barnes for Pierce is if KG is included.
I think the following would have to happen:
First KG decides he wants to play.
Then GS gets a taste for winning from their success this year and decides to make a run at the title for the next two years.
Then assuming all parties think it's in their best interest, the contracts of Andres Biendrins and Richard Jefferson are sent to Bosotn along with Barnes for Pierce and KG.
We get Barnes and two expirings.
They add KG and Pierce to a core that features Thompson, Curry, Lee, and Bogut.
This is the only deal I can see GS considering and even then, I'm not sure they'd do it
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Golden State isnt going to trade Barnes for Pierce after the way GS has played in the playoffs. He fits in very nicely with that team. If Golden State is healthy (which will be tough) then they have proven that the could be a contender out West.
We might be able to pry away one of their huge expirings in a pure salary dump but I dont think we can get Barnes at this point.
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I was entirely on the same page with you about Pierce for Barnes and I really thought we should have done everything we could at the deadline to try and convince Golden State they needed to make a move to go deep in the playoffs.
That being said, with the way the Warriors have played thus far in addition to Barnes seriously stepping up his numbers compared to his regular season average, I think this dream has finally died. No way they move Barnes with the way he is playing on a rookie deal.
I still think Golden State could be a landing spot for Pierce but it would probably be more of a package like:
Boston gets:
Ezeli, Biedrins (expiring), Jefferson (expiring) and 2014 first
Warriors get:
Pierce and Terry
Golden State brings in PP and his expiring deal to mentor Barnes and provide veteran leadership in exchange for their big expiring contracts, Ezeli who has upside and their 2014 first (which is probably going to be late in the round).
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I see your plan but I think there are better options. I dont think Jeff should be anything but this team's small forward going forward. That and I think Sullinger will have a huge impact on this team winning in the future, more so than Barnes and he should therefore be in the starting 5. I also think there are better centers to be had in the draft (Dieng) or through free agency (Tiago Splitter).
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While we're talking ideal let's just pick up Lebron for Bass and Lee.
There is no way that GS would even consider giving up Barnes for Pierce. Let's be realistic here folks....
this. the overvaluing of C's players here is just crazy.
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While we're talking ideal let's just pick up Lebron for Bass and Lee.
There is no way that GS would even consider giving up Barnes for Pierce. Let's be realistic here folks....
this. the overvaluing of C's players here is just crazy.
This.
Why people don't get that Pierce and Garnett have little trade value escapes me.
And please, no Jefferson. Not interested.
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I wouldn't call it "ideal", but it would be a positive offseason. It would set the C's up with an interesting roster going forward, and more importantly a decent stock of assets to work with.
But, if we are talking "ideal", then I would prefer they found a way to get another star or two.
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I was entirely on the same page with you about Pierce for Barnes and I really thought we should have done everything we could at the deadline to try and convince Golden State they needed to make a move to go deep in the playoffs.
That being said, with the way the Warriors have played thus far in addition to Barnes seriously stepping up his numbers compared to his regular season average, I think this dream has finally died. No way they move Barnes with the way he is playing on a rookie deal.
I still think Golden State could be a landing spot for Pierce but it would probably be more of a package like:
Boston gets:
Ezeli, Biedrins (expiring), Jefferson (expiring) and 2014 first
Warriors get:
Pierce and Terry
Golden State brings in PP and his expiring deal to mentor Barnes and provide veteran leadership in exchange for their big expiring contracts, Ezeli who has upside and their 2014 first (which is probably going to be late in the round).
honestly I don't think they would even give up the first and maybe not even Ezeli. I just don't see how that trade does anything for them as it doesn't help with their interior deficiencies or their defensive deficiencies in the back court.
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The homerism is bad, but what I really don't get is why the most popular forum topics are trades with Pierce and KG going out for a PG or a SF. Those are the only two positions we have all-star contenders at. Why would we target those two positions? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
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Pierce wouldn't get you Barnes.
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Pierce wouldn't get you Barnes.
And KG wouldn't get you Bledsoe/Jordan. That was a media myth perpetuated for internet traffic. The Clippers were never interested in that deal... supposedly their (potentially former) coach was warm on the idea.
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I personally like the idea of trading Pierce to the Lakers for Gasol.
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GSW values Barnes highly, and for good reason.
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I was entirely on the same page with you about Pierce for Barnes and I really thought we should have done everything we could at the deadline to try and convince Golden State they needed to make a move to go deep in the playoffs.
That being said, with the way the Warriors have played thus far in addition to Barnes seriously stepping up his numbers compared to his regular season average, I think this dream has finally died. No way they move Barnes with the way he is playing on a rookie deal.
I still think Golden State could be a landing spot for Pierce but it would probably be more of a package like:
Boston gets:
Ezeli, Biedrins (expiring), Jefferson (expiring) and 2014 first
Warriors get:
Pierce and Terry
Golden State brings in PP and his expiring deal to mentor Barnes and provide veteran leadership in exchange for their big expiring contracts, Ezeli who has upside and their 2014 first (which is probably going to be late in the round).
honestly I don't think they would even give up the first and maybe not even Ezeli. I just don't see how that trade does anything for them as it doesn't help with their interior deficiencies or their defensive deficiencies in the back court.
Really?
I guess it depends on how other things shake out for Golden State in terms of bringing back guys like Landry/Jack and what other deals are out there for their expiring contracts, but I can't see how they'd turn that down.
No it doesn't address their major needs, but it is a HUGE increase of talent and experience for their team.
Pierce is still a top 5 SF at his age and a 16m expiring deal to boot. In exchange Golden State give up two guys with expiring contracts that they never play anyway, a below average 7 footer whose ceiling is probably a very solid rotational big and a 2014 pick which they hope is at the very back end of the first round. Thats really not that much to give up, short term or long term, for Pierce if they want to make a serious push next year.
If they considered Pierce for Barnes at all, then Pierce for Ezeli and a first is like offering them Pierce for half the original price. Barnes is lanky enough to pick up mins at PF (like Jeff Green) and Lee and Bogut can split the center duties.
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I dislike the notion that Pierce/Garnett have little to no trade value. A couple of things to take note of:
-Pierce can be used as a massive salary dump for a team. I think the max savings would be 14.1M but I'd have to check to be sure. A contract like Pau Gasol would maximize this.
-Both Pierce and Garnett were in the top 40 players this season using the PER metric. That isn't to say they are both in their prime but it's not like we have Biedrens and Jefferson on our bench collecting $20M annually. PP and KG can compete at a high level and do more often than not.
-We've already had public offers for the services of both of these guys. I'm not saying we're going to get a lottery pick but something like a young role player and a late 1st rounder is not out of the question.
HOWEVER
I do think lottery level talent and picks are out of reach for us this year. This draft is heavy toward the middle of the first round anyway. I'm hoping for Gobert or Dieng. Danny has a good track record late in the first round. I'd move Pierce to get a reasonable role player and a mid-1st rounder. Same for KG.