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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
I'd trade him if we were paying him at max Rondo type money.
We al know he will be WELL over that. I'm picturing another joe johnson/Rashard Lewis contract
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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
I'd trade him if we were paying him at max Rondo type money.
We al know he will be WELL over that. I'm picturing another joe johnson/Rashard Lewis contract
I dont think that is possible with the new CBA
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Would he take a pay cut to play with his high school pal? ;D
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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
I'd trade him if we were paying him at max Rondo type money.
We al know he will be WELL over that. I'm picturing another joe johnson/Rashard Lewis contract
I dont think that is possible with the new CBA
With the new CBA and being a ten year vet next year, Smith is eligible, under a sign and trade contract of receiving a 5 year/$100+ million contract as a max. With the Bird rights in place Atlanta can sign him to a max deal starting at $19.1 million a year.
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Bass, Bradley, and filler for Smith. Sign a shooter in the offseason as well. Sully backing up Josh Smith will be nice!
I'm good with that.
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I think what is often lost in the Josh Smith discourse is that hw told Atlanta that he wanted a max extension and I don't really blame him for a few reasons.
1.Those fans have been awful to him.Sure he jacks up shots but what other choices has he had? Booing him every time he takes a mid range. Not showing up to support their team when they're top 5 in the east. If you want me to continue to play hard for this crowd well then CTC.
2. Joe Johnson got one. In my 4 years as a hoops fan Joe Johnson recieved the worst contract I've ever scene. The ownership was clearly inept enough to overpay through the nose so why should Smith give any type of hometown discount.
3. He may not be a max player, but at times he plays liks one. Josh Smith is always a fantasy target of mine for his mastery of Bill Simmons favorite stat "stocks". He is one of only a few players in the league capable of averaging over 2 blocks and 2 steals per game. Smith is unique and has the capability to be the second best player on a championship team.
Now if Atlanta decided to break the bank and over pay him I think that he would resign. Max money is a status symbol in the NBA, but I do beleive that at this point he wants a great team, with a great crowd, that will make use of his talents. I think he'll sign with us for around Rondo money and never look back.
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As Nick points out, his 'max' could equate to over 20 mill / year and I just don't see it. I understand that he wants to be paid, but having never been an all-star [obviously he has been quite close], I don't see him being paid on potential anymore. If he receives more than his current 13 mill / year, I will be a little surprised. I just don't know who all of these teams are lining up for a chance at the 'great' Josh Smith.
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LOL
not worth the dough
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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
I'd trade him if we were paying him at max Rondo type money.
We al know he will be WELL over that. I'm picturing another joe johnson/Rashard Lewis contract
I dont think that is possible with the new CBA
With the new CBA and being a ten year vet next year, Smith is eligible, under a sign and trade contract of receiving a 5 year/$100+ million contract as a max. With the Bird rights in place Atlanta can sign him to a max deal starting at $19.1 million a year.
I'm not sure that is correct. He'll only have 9 years of experience, so his max contract will be at the 30% of the cap level, instead of 35% for a 10+ vet. This year that would have been about $16.4 mil. Next year I'd bet it's a bit higher with cap inflation, but it's not at the $19.1 mil level. Josh Smith's max is much less than Dwight Howard's, for instance. (As an aside, Rondo will also be a 9 year vet when he next hits free agency as well.)
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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
I'd trade him if we were paying him at max Rondo type money.
We al know he will be WELL over that. I'm picturing another joe johnson/Rashard Lewis contract
I dont think that is possible with the new CBA
With the new CBA and being a ten year vet next year, Smith is eligible, under a sign and trade contract of receiving a 5 year/$100+ million contract as a max. With the Bird rights in place Atlanta can sign him to a max deal starting at $19.1 million a year.
I'm not sure that is correct. He'll only have 9 years of experience, so his max contract will be at the 30% of the cap level, instead of 35% for a 10+ vet. This year that would have been about $16.4 mil. Next year I'd bet it's a bit higher with cap inflation, but it's not at the $19.1 mil level. Josh Smith's max is much less than Dwight Howard's, for instance. (As an aside, Rondo will also be a 9 year vet when he next hits free agency as well.)
Oops. Did I miscount his years played?
Then if he has just 9 years, this is right.
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I just don't know who all of these teams are lining up for a chance at the 'great' Josh Smith.
"While the Bucks, Phoenix and Brooklyn pursued Josh Smith right up until the trading deadline, Smith told me Boston, Washington, Philadelphia and even New Orleans were in the mix." - Racine Journal-Times
I am assuming most of those teams were interested in the trade with the intention of being willing to hand Smith a big contract.
So, imagine if the Wizards offered two first-round picks and the contract of Emeka Okafor (assuming he doesn't exercise his early termination option and give up almost $15 million for next season). Can the Celtics offer a more attractive deal than that? Can you say that there is no chance the Wizards make that trade and give Smith the max?
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if pp came back for the mle, best the c's could offer smith is 10-12 million, and that's if the hawks would accept bass+bradley+filler for him, assuming the cap goes up 1-2 million. The c's would probably have to add a pick.
10-12 mil for j smoove would be a good deal and max i would be willing to pay.
if paul doesn't wanna play in boston for mle money, or they don't waive him, then i doubt they be able to fit him below the apron, sign and trades can only happen for team who stay below the apron.
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I just don't know who all of these teams are lining up for a chance at the 'great' Josh Smith.
"While the Bucks, Phoenix and Brooklyn pursued Josh Smith right up until the trading deadline, Smith told me Boston, Washington, Philadelphia and even New Orleans were in the mix." - Racine Journal-Times
I am assuming most of those teams were interested in the trade with the intention of being willing to hand Smith a big contract.
So, imagine if the Wizards offered two first-round picks and the contract of Emeka Okafor (assuming he doesn't exercise his early termination option and give up almost $15 million for next season). Can the Celtics offer a more attractive deal than that? Can you say that there is no chance the Wizards make that trade and give Smith the max?
Assuming Josh Smith wanted to sign with the Wizards. There are enough teams with cap room to leverage the Hawks to trading him to a team he wants to sign with in an S&T. They have some power, in that if they don't like the players involved they can refuse to trade him to his #1 choice, but they don't have all the leverage.
But yes, I think teams will be lining up to sign him, including the C's.
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he ain't coming to celtics
PERIOD
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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
I'd trade him if we were paying him at max Rondo type money.
We al know he will be WELL over that. I'm picturing another joe johnson/Rashard Lewis contract
I dont think that is possible with the new CBA
With the new CBA and being a ten year vet next year, Smith is eligible, under a sign and trade contract of receiving a 5 year/$100+ million contract as a max. With the Bird rights in place Atlanta can sign him to a max deal starting at $19.1 million a year.
I'm not sure that is correct. He'll only have 9 years of experience, so his max contract will be at the 30% of the cap level, instead of 35% for a 10+ vet. This year that would have been about $16.4 mil. Next year I'd bet it's a bit higher with cap inflation, but it's not at the $19.1 mil level. Josh Smith's max is much less than Dwight Howard's, for instance. (As an aside, Rondo will also be a 9 year vet when he next hits free agency as well.)
Oops. Did I miscount his years played?
Then if he has just 9 years, this is right.
Smith and Howard were in the same draft, so they have the same years. They have both played 9 seasons and would be entering their 10th years.
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Can we trade our first rounder this year as part of a sign and trade for Smith? would you do it?
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Can we trade our first rounder this year as part of a sign and trade for Smith? would you do it?
I would do it as long as we don't give up Sullinger. Bradley, Bass, and our 1st for Josh Smith.
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funny, when you follow the links back to the source, it is from an article 2 days ago that basically was just Gary's educated guess of what they'll do
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/05/12/this-summer-may-danny-ainge-most-critical-with-celtics/ydUo8geFXRarAu6THDgMpM/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw
Atlanta coach Larry Drew is awaiting his fate, but with the Hawks having eight free agents, expect GM Danny Ferry to make wholesale changes. And the Hawks likely won’t allow Josh Smith to walk without compensation. To attract more suitors, the club likely will offer Smith on sign-and-trade deals. However, Smith is seeking the maximum, and interested teams may decrease
worth discussing, but not really new news I think
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Not sure who has cap space this summer but is ANY team willing to give Smith the max? I hope not because I wouldn't mind Smith in green but I have zero interest if he's making max money
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he ain't coming to celtics
PERIOD
coming from the guy who also started the nonsense overpay-for-Josh-Smith thread "Pierce Bradley Sully Crawfors 1st round pick for Josh Smith?"
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he ain't coming to celtics
PERIOD
coming from the guy who also started the nonsense overpay-for-Josh-Smith thread "Pierce Bradley Sully Crawfors 1st round pick for Josh Smith?"
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have you seen all my post saying no to josh smith?...
i don't want this guy at all, the thread i made is to see if fans really wants smith, because if im atlanta's GM im gonna ask for talents and picks...aging pierce for smith is not enough, bass who can't even rebounds with 3 years awful contract...i'd rather give smith the max, AGREE?
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he ain't coming to celtics
PERIOD
coming from the guy who also started the nonsense overpay-for-Josh-Smith thread "Pierce Bradley Sully Crawfors 1st round pick for Josh Smith?"
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have you seen all my post saying no to josh smith?...
i don't want this guy at all, the thread i made is to see if fans really wants smith, because if im atlanta's GM im gonna ask for talents and picks...aging pierce for smith is not enough, bass who can't even rebounds with 3 years awful contract...i'd rather give smith the max, AGREE?
No. Atlanta will not give Smith the Max no matter WHAT!
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Josh Smith is a better and more impactful player than Jeff Green (who currently makes 9m/yr). I'd take Smith for the price tag of around 12-13mm. it's not quite max but it's pretty fair, i think.
i don't know what trade we can pull off though. i definitely do not want to trade Pierce, (for sentimental reasons). Maybe green, sullinger, lee and a 2nd rounder for smith and a 2nd rounder?
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he ain't coming to celtics
PERIOD
coming from the guy who also started the nonsense overpay-for-Josh-Smith thread "Pierce Bradley Sully Crawfors 1st round pick for Josh Smith?"
::) ::) ::) ::)
have you seen all my post saying no to josh smith?...
i don't want this guy at all, the thread i made is to see if fans really wants smith, because if im atlanta's GM im gonna ask for talents and picks...aging pierce for smith is not enough, bass who can't even rebounds with 3 years awful contract...i'd rather give smith the max, AGREE?
No. Atlanta will not give Smith the Max no matter WHAT!
then houston might take him pair with harden and lure dwight
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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
I'd trade him if we were paying him at max Rondo type money.
We al know he will be WELL over that. I'm picturing another joe johnson/Rashard Lewis contract
I dont think that is possible with the new CBA
With the new CBA and being a ten year vet next year, Smith is eligible, under a sign and trade contract of receiving a 5 year/$100+ million contract as a max. With the Bird rights in place Atlanta can sign him to a max deal starting at $19.1 million a year.
I'm not sure that is correct. He'll only have 9 years of experience, so his max contract will be at the 30% of the cap level, instead of 35% for a 10+ vet. This year that would have been about $16.4 mil. Next year I'd bet it's a bit higher with cap inflation, but it's not at the $19.1 mil level. Josh Smith's max is much less than Dwight Howard's, for instance. (As an aside, Rondo will also be a 9 year vet when he next hits free agency as well.)
Oops. Did I miscount his years played?
Then if he has just 9 years, this is right.
Smith and Howard were in the same draft, so they have the same years. They have both played 9 seasons and would be entering their 10th years.
Howard's already above the normal 9-year max salary with his current deal, so his max salary next year is a 5% increase to his current salary, and is therefore above Smith's, at $20.5 million.
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he ain't coming to celtics
PERIOD
I agree someone is going to get crazy with money burning a hope in their pocket and dump a max salary on smith. I just don't see the celtics being player for smith. Danny isn't giving max money to a flawed boarder line Allstar.
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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
I'd trade him if we were paying him at max Rondo type money.
We al know he will be WELL over that. I'm picturing another joe johnson/Rashard Lewis contract
I dont think that is possible with the new CBA
With the new CBA and being a ten year vet next year, Smith is eligible, under a sign and trade contract of receiving a 5 year/$100+ million contract as a max. With the Bird rights in place Atlanta can sign him to a max deal starting at $19.1 million a year.
I'm not sure that is correct. He'll only have 9 years of experience, so his max contract will be at the 30% of the cap level, instead of 35% for a 10+ vet. This year that would have been about $16.4 mil. Next year I'd bet it's a bit higher with cap inflation, but it's not at the $19.1 mil level. Josh Smith's max is much less than Dwight Howard's, for instance. (As an aside, Rondo will also be a 9 year vet when he next hits free agency as well.)
Oops. Did I miscount his years played?
Then if he has just 9 years, this is right.
Smith and Howard were in the same draft, so they have the same years. They have both played 9 seasons and would be entering their 10th years.
Howard's already above the normal 9-year max salary with his current deal, so his max salary next year is a 5% increase to his current salary, and is therefore above Smith's, at $20.5 million.
I know that, but the way you made it seem that they didn't have the same level of experience, which isn't the case.
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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.
The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.
The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.
Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.
Via Gary Washburn/Boston Globe
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1250161
so what's the most you would give up to get him ?
-I'd trade PP to get him
-Lee , Sully and filler (maybe a pick)
- Bass , Bradley and filler
I'd trade him if we were paying him at max Rondo type money.
We al know he will be WELL over that. I'm picturing another joe johnson/Rashard Lewis contract
I dont think that is possible with the new CBA
With the new CBA and being a ten year vet next year, Smith is eligible, under a sign and trade contract of receiving a 5 year/$100+ million contract as a max. With the Bird rights in place Atlanta can sign him to a max deal starting at $19.1 million a year.
I'm not sure that is correct. He'll only have 9 years of experience, so his max contract will be at the 30% of the cap level, instead of 35% for a 10+ vet. This year that would have been about $16.4 mil. Next year I'd bet it's a bit higher with cap inflation, but it's not at the $19.1 mil level. Josh Smith's max is much less than Dwight Howard's, for instance. (As an aside, Rondo will also be a 9 year vet when he next hits free agency as well.)
Oops. Did I miscount his years played?
Then if he has just 9 years, this is right.
Smith and Howard were in the same draft, so they have the same years. They have both played 9 seasons and would be entering their 10th years.
Howard's already above the normal 9-year max salary with his current deal, so his max salary next year is a 5% increase to his current salary, and is therefore above Smith's, at $20.5 million.
I know that, but the way you made it seem that they didn't have the same level of experience, which isn't the case.
My bad. I wasn't trying to make it sound that way. Just trying to point out that there are different values of "max", because most people probably assume that it's the same dollar figure for every player when debating whether player A is worth a max salary. Dwight Howard was the first pending free agent that popped into my head who could receive a salary greater than Josh Smith, so I didn't look up his experience, because I knew it didn't matter for his salary.