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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: krook on May 11, 2013, 06:41:49 AM
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i just got a question...
1st of all if pierce is gone kg is gone also,
so this is the scenario...pierce wants to be a celtics, but ainge did not sign pierce...he goes somewhere...now kg retires or ask for release...
everyone will say josh smith and al jefferson
both kg and pp are gone still in hard cap situations
so example since smith wants to come here because of rondo, you will never trade rondo for big al,
so if ever this trade happens...sully lee bass + fab melo (to match the salary) for josh smith (horford can stay at center)
and jeff green bradley crawford + d.j. white for al jefferson
(utah can use bradley as sg with marvin williams and green with hayward + crawford beside mo williams)
example pierce decides to sign somewhere rather than being traded to a team he don't like to play
kg out
pierce out
bradley out
bass out
lee out
crawford out
melo out
white out
sully out
green out
WHAT ILL BE OUR LINE-UP NOW?
ANYONE TO MAKE THE LINE-UP FOR ME?
rondo big smith t-will shavlik terry and?
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As a guess , Pierce will most likely remain, not because DA won't try and find something that helps the Celtics. I think Danny will explore his options.
With KG we still have a team even without Pierce, because we have Green. With no KG , the Celtics are lottery team. , even with Pierce.
KG may realize Pierce an't up to snuff , or is retiring, or is gonna be traded . For some reason KG's mind seems more open to playing with no Pierce .
I bet Pierce comes back, but you never know. Danny may be willing to take less for him than he was looking for Pierce sure ended the season on a awful note.
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No one knows what will happen. If you think we can rebuild on the fly with a lottery trip, it will be hard. Rarely is it done outside of LA.
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I don't think I've ever heard that KG will automatically leave if PP does. I think people think it's true because they've seen people put that claim in so many posts.
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I don't think I've ever heard that KG will automatically leave if PP does. I think people think it's true because they've seen people put that claim in so many posts.
Ya, imo it's probably more Doc than Pierce.
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I don't think I've ever heard that KG will automatically leave if PP does. I think people think it's true because they've seen people put that claim in so many posts.
Ya, imo it's probably more Doc than Pierce.
Agree with both of you. Sure he loves Paul but they have the rest of their lives to pal around together in L.A. Doc, staying in Green and winning another championship are probably all be more important to KG than having one last year with Paul. They are both old, and I'm sure KG realizes he needs younger support to get past Lebron. I'd love so much to see both Paul and KG get another ring. I don't think it can happen with them both in Boston. I hope they both realize this. They could do it together on a team already on the verge. Memphis, Clippers, Thunder, maybe even Minny, with Pierce as a backup....
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I don't think I've ever heard that KG will automatically leave if PP does. I think people think it's true because they've seen people put that claim in so many posts.
Ya, imo it's probably more Doc than Pierce.
Agree with both of you. Sure he loves Paul but they have the rest of their lives to pal around together in L.A. Doc, staying in Green and winning another championship are probably all be more important to KG than having one last year with Paul. They are both old, and I'm sure KG realizes he needs younger support to get past Lebron. I'd love so much to see both Paul and KG get another ring. I don't think it can happen with them both in Boston. I hope they both realize this. They could do it together on a team already on the verge. Memphis, Clippers, Thunder, maybe even Minny, with Pierce as a backup....
Minny? Ummm.... No.
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Not sure what to make of Danny's latest statement about bringing Doc and KG back with almost no mention of PP. First it could be that Danny is trying to pressure PP into renegotiating his contract or trade him. My sense is that he is using KG as bait to get PP to renegotiate so that we can bring another player to carry to torch along with Rondo and Green.
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I don't think I've ever heard that KG will automatically leave if PP does. I think people think it's true because they've seen people put that claim in so many posts.
Agreed. I think this notion of KG leaving if Pierce goes is more of a Celtics Blog myth than reality ;D
I think if Danny put a good enough team together partially at the expense of trading Pierce, then I think both KG and Doc would have no problem coming back next year.
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I would agree with that statement unless KG likes the pieces that are added. To me they may keep it together until the trade deadline. Then make changes if they aren't where they expect. That is when most of the trade rumors happened with this team anyway.
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I don't think I've ever heard that KG will automatically leave if PP does. I think people think it's true because they've seen people put that claim in so many posts.
Ya, imo it's probably more Doc than Pierce.
I don't want to put the effort into a search but I am fairly sure KG said if PP goes he will retire, this was back around the trade deadline!
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I don't think I've ever heard that KG will automatically leave if PP does. I think people think it's true because they've seen people put that claim in so many posts.
Ya, imo it's probably more Doc than Pierce.
I don't want to put the effort into a search but I am fairly sure KG said if PP goes he will retire, this was back around the trade deadline!
Yeah there are plenty of statements saying they're a "package"
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I absolutely agree with the sentiment that KG staying depends on Pierce being here. Some of you just seem to be ignoring the painfully obvious.
Here's what KG had to say after the C's were eliminated in game 6 vs NY: (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4704887/kg-pierce-doc-on-future-too-soon-to-talk#more)
While Garnett swatted away most inquiries about his future, he spoke strongly about how the organization's decision on whether to retain Pierce, whose contract is only $5 million guaranteed and could be an amnesty candidate, could play into his status.
"One of the big reasons I came [to Boston] was because of Paul," said Garnett. "Obviously, you want to be in a situation where it's better. I want to make sure that I'm able to always help a team. I want to be in positions to where I'm giving something. I demand a lot of myself, both physically and from a skill level. But I'd be lying to y'all if I said Paul didn't play into that factor. Like I said, it's too soon of a conversation for me right now."
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I don't think I've ever heard that KG will automatically leave if PP does. I think people think it's true because they've seen people put that claim in so many posts.
Very true, far as I know its rumor, haven't seen quotes in the mass media to that effect.
Think unless Danny doesn't come up with something competitive to put on the court when KG retires, Doc will move on I predict....... then Danny rear -end will be in sling with the owners.
Pressure is on DANNY .....Doc isn't gonna do squat without a few top 10- 15 players to put out on the floor.
I predict by 2016 the whole Celtic team and mgmt could be overhauled again , if at LEAST a certain level of success is not maintained.
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I absolutely agree with the sentiment that KG staying depends on Pierce being here. Some of you just seem to be ignoring the painfully obvious.
Here's what KG had to say after the C's were eliminated in game 6 vs NY: (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4704887/kg-pierce-doc-on-future-too-soon-to-talk#more)
While Garnett swatted away most inquiries about his future, he spoke strongly about how the organization's decision on whether to retain Pierce, whose contract is only $5 million guaranteed and could be an amnesty candidate, could play into his status.
"One of the big reasons I came [to Boston] was because of Paul," said Garnett. "Obviously, you want to be in a situation where it's better. I want to make sure that I'm able to always help a team. I want to be in positions to where I'm giving something. I demand a lot of myself, both physically and from a skill level. But I'd be lying to y'all if I said Paul didn't play into that factor. Like I said, it's too soon of a conversation for me right now."
I don't think that "will factor into the decision" implies "will be the deciding factor". Danny says he's expecting KG to return. That would mean that he's either expecting PP to be on the roster next year or he thinks KG will be back without PP.
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I absolutely agree with the sentiment that KG staying depends on Pierce being here. Some of you just seem to be ignoring the painfully obvious.
Here's what KG had to say after the C's were eliminated in game 6 vs NY: (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4704887/kg-pierce-doc-on-future-too-soon-to-talk#more)
While Garnett swatted away most inquiries about his future, he spoke strongly about how the organization's decision on whether to retain Pierce, whose contract is only $5 million guaranteed and could be an amnesty candidate, could play into his status.
"One of the big reasons I came [to Boston] was because of Paul," said Garnett. "Obviously, you want to be in a situation where it's better. I want to make sure that I'm able to always help a team. I want to be in positions to where I'm giving something. I demand a lot of myself, both physically and from a skill level. But I'd be lying to y'all if I said Paul didn't play into that factor. Like I said, it's too soon of a conversation for me right now."
I don't think that "will factor into the decision" implies "will be the deciding factor". Danny says he's expecting KG to return. That would mean that he's either expecting PP to be on the roster next year or he thinks KG will be back without PP.
Maybe not deciding factor but definitely a factor. PP & KG's friendship and trust in each other should not be taken lightly.
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I'm not sure I'm seeing this right, but it seems like some standard line in the sand is being drawn over which direction we go and major pieces are playing hands like a poker match or pawns in a chess game.
Pierce says he's going to play next year and would like to retire a Celtic, but he's made it obvious if management wants to move him, he'll tie his sneakers for another team.
KG seems like he's open to the idea of coming back but he seems to have a strong tie to Pierce and perhaps an even stronger one to Doc. Play the game right, KG returns. Play it wrong, KG walks away and retires.
Doc signed a 5 year contract this last year but as this year approached, he seemed a bit "sketchy" and not 100% all-in. He's giving off an air like he'll be back saying if he had to say right now, he would say he's back. The fact of the matter is, he hasn't openly committed to it yet. Doc may indeed want Pierce and KG back and maybe even more above that. Or, if you lose those 2 guys, Doc at least wants more than Rondo and some average players to work with or he just might not....commit. I don't think Doc wants to be around for a mediocre scrub team with not much hope of contending. He might be okay with going through the transition of losing Pierce and KG and moving on to the next era of Celtics. I'm just not sure he wants to go through being as bad as before the Big 3 arrived once again. Doc might think he's got more rings in his future (here or elsewhere). And having below .500 teams on his current resume, may not seem appealing to him when other teams look at him as a missing piece.
Danny is in a pickle as he almost should be. He's created the situation, whether right on schedule or a complete mess. Something doesn't seem to be working out in his favor. His tight grip on the team may be starting to get questioned. He might want to move Pierce, but what about KG and Doc? He might want to play his card on Pierce but what if that makes KG go? How does he keep the players he wants to keep happy, move the ones he wants to move and keep Doc happy all at the same time?
Like I said, I could be reading it wrong, but it's almost like all the guys privately know which way things are leaning and they are countering with moves (statements) of their own, putting pressure on Danny to do the right thing that interests themselves best. I think they all want to remain Celtics, but they all have their vision on how they want to remain Celtics.
It feels like a squeeze play on all sides to me. A game of chicken. No matter which direction this goes down, feels like something is going to give.
It feels like one way or another, this won't look like the same exact Celtics once next season starts and personally, as much as some of this hurts, it might be time for something to give. I'd love to see the whole crew (Pierce, KG, Doc, Rondo + major improvements), but it doesn't seem like the major improvements part of the equation can go down without losing one (or more) of the pieces.
This off-season seems a lot more dramatic than most and I'm on pins and needles waiting to see how this summer goes down. This is better than an epic storyline with a cliffhanger ending.