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Other Discussions => Off Topic => Games / Gambling / Fantasy Sports => Topic started by: nickagneta on May 11, 2013, 12:08:49 AM
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Welcome to the 2013 CB Historical Draft
RULES
Each player will be assigned a team and run that team as it's owner. Players to be drafted will be any player that played in the season 1982-83. Once a player is drafted he is the property of that team. Once all rounds of the draft are over, each owner will be required to submit a roster picking the season that each of his or her players will be represented by. The season chosen must be a season within the career of the player.
This slight change to the format will limit the players that can be chosen but will allow for teams to choose the best year that player ever played. So just because someone was a rookie or in the last year he played in 1982-1983, doesn't mean you get the player as he was in 1982-1983.
Example:
If your starting five consists of Larry Bird, Sidney Moncrief, Moses Malone, Calvin Murphy and Terry Cummings, you must select which season each player will be represented by because they don't have to be represented as they were in 1983.
Bird - 1984-85
Moncrief - 1982-83
Malone - 1978-79
Murphy - 1977-78
Cummings - 1988-89
The draft will be a snake draft. The draft will start on May 13th, 2013 and go for two weeks plus weeks including all the vboting and so forth. There will be 12 rounds. May 13th-May 16th there will be one round per day with picks in 15 minute intervals. That weekend will begin a draft for coaches only that will not be rushed. The order will reversed from that of the first round of the draft. This will be more casual and no times will be assigned for teams to select their coach by spanning the entire rest of the draft so that people can have a life.
The 6th through 12th rounds will be two rounds per day for 4 days with picks in 10 minute intervals. These rounds will take place on May 17th and May 20-22. When the draft ends there will be a period over the next couple of days to trade and the trade deadline will end on May 24th at midnight. On May 24th 11:59AM all final rosters with a minimum of 12 players will need to be submitted.
I am hoping to put together a 5 person panel of respected Celticsblog members to judge the final results and give out awards. During the holiday weekend of May 25th to May 27th, owners will be able to make a presentation to the panelists for why they believe their team should receive an award. On 28th the panel will submit their votes for recognition and all recognitions will be announced on Friday May 31st, along with individual player honors.
The categories to compete:
Best Overall Team
Best Defensive Team
Best Offensive Team
Teams will be assigned to players on May 10th and the draft lottery will be held at the same time. There will be a trading moratorium in place until May 13th at 10AM at which point trades can be made and/or announced. All trades will need to meet league approval. If I feel there is a trade that is questionable and not in the interest of the game, I as commissioner will disallow it. Note, even though I will be consulting with the panel as to what their opinions of the trade in question is, I, as commissioner will have final word and approval. Also note, we are trading the best players ever having their best seasons ever so most trades will probably get approved unless there is some ridiculous outlier of a trade. Trades must be presented to the commissioner by both parties via personal message and announced by the commissioner before they are considered done. If trying to beat a deadline on the time for a pick, make the selection for the team and then do the trade.
I have a list of eligible players that I can e-mail to each owner that is in an Excel spreadsheet to make researching easier. I will post the players as well in the draft thread.
The main rule here is the same for all of Celticsblog, respect each other and have fun. Friendly banter is allowed and encouraged but ultimately this is for fun. The commissioner will have the authority to replace team owners due to behavior or lack of performance. In the event of the inability to find a suitable replacement, the team could be dissolved and the players re-entered into the draft. This will be a decision that will be avoided at all costs and will be a last resort scenario.
Discuss advice on your team from the panelists publicly in thread or if you wish, discuss individual players with the panelists via PM. But remember the team will still be yours and the pick your pick and several panelists will be judging the teams. So remember that.
Picks are due before the time listed in the Draft Thread. I am still waiting for feedback on times but a schedule will be given in the draft thread. Owners may make their selection at anytime before their allotted deadline so long as the owner of the pick in front of them has made their pick or exceeded his/her allotted deadline.
If an owner will not be available to make a selection he can give a list of players that he would be willing to draft in preferential order to the commissioner, or a panelist, or another owner. IMPORTANT: Please supply a list long enough to still have one available player left in case all the teams selecting in front of you happen to select all the players you desire. A fill in selector CAN NOT arbitrarily make the selection for you, they must have a name of a player that is provided to them that is available.
If for some reason an owner does not make a selection then at 9:00 PM on the night of the round where a selection was not made I will be polling our panelists for their top players still available. From this list a cumulative list will be made. If the team that missed their selection has not made the selection by 7:00 AM of the day or the start of the next round(s) then players will be assigned to teams by the commissioner off of this cumulative list. If more than one selection needs to be assigned then the best available player will go to the team that had the highest pick, the 2nd best player to the team with the second highest pick, and so on.
All teams must remain in the city that is assigned. The owner of that team my change the name of the team but the team may not leave the city in question. No switching of teams is allowed.
I just want to respectfully request that everyone, please, be on time for your first round pick or have a list sent to me so that I can make the pick for you. Nothing worse in these things than skipping over a first round pick.
If that happens, I believe it fair to everyone that this be grounds for losing your team. With the limited amount of teams, I have 2 panelists, Who and freshinthehouse, that asked to have teams after I set the limit. They will get first chance, respectfully, for any GM that needs replacing.
So if you have a team, please, be there for the first round or send a list.
ROUND 1 Monday May 13
1 12:15 New York - Kane3387: Larry Bird
2 12:30 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3 12:45 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Bill Walton
4 1:00 Kansas City - Who: Magic Johnson
5 1:15 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Moses Malone
6 1:30 Philadelphia - Moranis: Julius Erving
7 1:45 Denver - KCattheStripe: Isiah Thomas
8 2:00 Atlanta - wdleehi: Dave Cowens
9 2:15 San Diego - airbelinelli: George Gervin
10 2:30 Boston - prov1ml34: Kevin McHale
11 2:45 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Elvin Hayes
12 3:00 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Bob McAdoo
ROUND 2 Tuesday May 14
13 -1 12:15 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Artis Gilmore
14-2 12:30 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Nate Archibald
15-3 12:45 Boston - prov1ml34: Dominique Wilkins
16-4 1:00 San Diego - airbelinelli: Alex English
17-5 1:15 Atlanta - wdleehi: Robert Parish
18-6 1:30 Denver - KCattheStripe: Dennis Johnson
19-7 1:45 Philadelphia - Moranis: Bob Lanier
20-8 2:00 Milwaukee - Donoghus: James Worthy
21-9 2:15 Kansas City - Who: Bernard King
22-10 2:30 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Adrian Dantley
23-11 2:45 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Sidney Moncrief
24-12 3:00 New York - Kane3387: Dan Issel
ROUND 3 Wednesday May 15
25 -1 12:15 New York - Kane3387: Fat Lever
26-2 12:30 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Michael Cooper
27-3 12:45 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Maurice Cheeks
28-4 1:00 Kansas City - Who: Jack Sikma
29-5 1:15 Milwaukee - Donoghus: David Thompson
30-6 1:30 Philadelphia - Moranis: Spencer Haywood
31-7 1:45 Denver - KCattheStripe: Bill Laimbeer
32-8 2:00 Atlanta - wdleehi: Marques Johnson
33-9 2:15 San Diego - airbelinelli: Michael Ray Richardson
34-10 2:30 Boston - prov1ml34: Johnny Moore
35-11 2:45 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Truck Robinson
36-12 3:00 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Jamaal Wilkes
ROUND 4 Thursday May 16
37 -1 12:15 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Walter Davis
38-2 12:30 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Bobby Jones
39-3 12:45 Boston - prov1ml34: Mark Eaton
40-4 1:00 San Diego - airbelinelli: Tree Rollins
41-5 1:15 Atlanta - wdleehi: Gus Williams
42-6 1:30 Denver - KCattheStripe: Maurice Lucas
43-7 1:45 Philadelphia - Moranis: Calvin Murphy
44-8 2:00 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Norm Nixon
45-9 2:15 Kansas City - Who: Larry Nance
46-10 2:30 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Buck Williams
47-11 2:45 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Dan Roundfield
48-12 3:00 New York - Kane3387: Darryl Dawkins
ROUND 5 Friday May 17
49-1 12:10 New York - Kane3387: World B Free
50-2 12:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Don Buse
51-3 12:30 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Ricky Pierce
52-4 12:40 Kansas City - Who: Andrew Toney
53-5 12:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Terry Cummings
54-6 1:00 Philadelphia - Moranis: Mark Aguirre
55-7 1:10 Denver - KCattheStripe: Kiki Vandeweghe
56-8 1:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: Tom Chambers
57-9 1:30 San Diego - airbelinelli: Larry Kenon
58-10 1:40 Boston - prov1ml34: Otis Birdsong
59-11 1:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287 : Rolando Blackmon
60-12 2:00 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Sleepy Floyd
ROUND 6 Friday May 17
61-1 2:40 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Paul Pressey
62-2 2:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Joe Barry Carroll
63-3 3:00 Boston - prov1ml34: Eddie Johnson
64-4 3:10 San Diego - airbelinelli: Paul Westphal
65-5 3:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: Phil Smith
66-6 3:30 Denver - KCattheStripe: Vinnie Johnson
67-7 3:40 Philadelphia - Moranis: Mychal Thompson
68-8 3:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Rick Mahorn
69-9 4:00 Kansas City - Who: Cedric Maxwell
70-10 4:10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Caldwell Jones
71-11 4:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Kelly Tripuka
72-12 4:30 New York - Kane3387: Danny Ainge
COACH'S ROUND
1 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Phil Jackson
2 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Pat Riley
3 Boston - prov1ml34: Chuck Daly
4 San Diego - airbelinelli: Larry Brown
5 Atlanta - wdleehi: Bill Russell
6 Denver - KCattheStripe: K.C. Jones
7 Philadelphia - Moranis: Billy Cunningham
8 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Dr. Jack Ramsay
9 Kansas City - Who: Lenny Wilkens
10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Jerry Sloan
11 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Don Nelson
12 New York - Kane3387: Tommy Heinsohn
ROUND 7 Monday May 20
73-1 12:10 New York - Kane3387: John Lucas
74-2 12:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: M. L. Carr
75-3 12:30 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Lionell Hollins
76-4 12:40 Kansas City - Who: Marvin Webster
77-5 12:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Calvin Natt
78-6 1:00 Philadelphia - Moranis: Reggie Theus
79-7 1:10 Denver - KCattheStripe: Clark Kellogg
80-8 1:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: Phil Ford
81-9 1:30 San Diego - airbelinelli: Alton Lister
82-10 1:40 Boston - prov1ml34: Bill Cartwright
83-11 1:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Brian Winters
84-12 2:00 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Jeff Ruland
ROUND 8 Monday May 20
85-1 2:40 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Randy Smith
86-2 2:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Lonnie Shelton
87-3 3:00 Boston - prov1ml34: Kurt Rambis
88-4 3:10 San Diego - airbelinelli: Ray Williams
89-5 3:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: Jim Paxson
90-6 3:30 Denver - KCattheStripe: Swen Nater
91-7 3:40 Philadelphia - Moranis: Kevin Porter
92-8 3:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Tom Owens
93-9 4:00 Kansas City - Who: Alvan Adams
94-10 4:10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: James Edwards
95-11 4:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Larry Drew
96-12 4:30 New York - Kane3387: John Drew
ROUND 9 Tuesday May 21
97-1 12:10 New York - Kane3387: Orlando Woolridge
98-2 12:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Billy Paultz
99-3 12:30 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: "The Other" Eddie Johnson
100-4 12:40 Kansas City - Who: Fred Brown
101-5 12:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Craig Hodges
102-6 1:00 Philadelphia - Moranis: Herb Williams
103-7 1:10 Denver - KCattheStripe: Pat Cummings
104-8 1:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: Scott Wedman
105-9 1:30 San Diego - airbelinelli: Purvis Short
106-10 1:40 Boston - prov1ml34: Rickey Green
107-11 1:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Brad Davis
108-12 2:00 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Mickey Johnson
ROUND 10 Tuesday May 21
109-1 2:40 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Quinn Buckner
110-2 2:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Derek Smith
111-3 3:00 Boston - prov1ml34: Darrell Griffith
112-4 3:10 San Diego - airbelinelli: Jay Vincent
113-5 3:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: George Johnson
114-6 3:30 Denver - KCattheStripe: Billy Knight
115-7 3:40 Philadelphia - Moranis: Sam Lacey
116-8 3:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Darnell Valentine
117-9 4:00 Kansas City - Who: Bob Gross
118-10 4:10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Trent Tucker
119-11 4:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Cliff Robinson
120-12 4:30 New York - Kane3387: James Bailey
ROUND 11 Wednesday May 22
121-1 12:10 New York - Kane3387: James Donaldson
122-2 12:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Mike Mitchell
123-3 12:30 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Danny Schayes
124-4 12:40 Kansas City - Who: Gerald Henderson
125-5 12:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Chuck Nevitt
126-6 1:00 Philadelphia - Moranis: T.R. Dunn
127-7 1:10 Denver - KCattheStripe: Kyle Macy
128-8 1:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: Bill Hanzlik
129-9 1:30 San Diego - airbelinelli: Allen Leavell
130-10 1:40 Boston - prov1ml34: Johnny Davis
131-11 1:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Corny Thompson
132-12 2:00 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Rod Higgins
ROUND 12 Wednesday May 22
133-1 2:40 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Wayne Cooper
134-2 2:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Jerome Whitehead
135-3 3:00 Boston - prov1ml34: Larry Smith
136-4 3:10 San Diego - airbelinelli: Dave Corzine
137-5 3:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: Chubby Cox
138-6 3:30 Denver - KCattheStripe: Wes MatthewsLOL
139-7 3:40 Philadelphia - Moranis: Rich Kelley
140-8 3:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Robert Reid
141-9 4:00 Kansas City - Who: Clint Richardson
142-10 4:10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Greg Ballard
143-11 4:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Rory Sparrow
144-12 4:30 New York - Kane3387: Mitch Kupchak
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ELIGIBLE PLAYERS
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*
Alvan Adams
Mark Aguirre
Danny Ainge
Dwight Anderson
J.J. Anderson
James Anderson
Richard Anderson
Tiny Archibald*
John Bagley
Carl Bailey
James Bailey
Greg Ballard
Gene Banks
Billy Ray Bates
Dave Batton
Kent Benson
Larry Bird*
Otis Birdsong
Rolando Blackman
Tom Boswell
Charles Bradley
Dudley Bradley
Brad Branson
Mike Bratz
Junior Bridgeman
Allan Bristow
Jim Brogan
Michael Brooks
Fred Brown
Rickey Brown
Joe Bryant
Quinn Buckner
Don Buse
Marty Byrnes
Kenny Carr
M.L. Carr
Joe Barry Carroll
Butch Carter
Bill Cartwright
Harvey Catchings
Bobby Cattage
Tom Chambers
Maurice Cheeks
Don Collins
Lester Conner
Darwin Cook
Jeff Cook
Joe Cooper
Michael Cooper
Wayne Cooper
Dave Corzine
Dave Cowens*
Chubby Cox
Charlie Criss
Geoff Crompton
Pat Cummings
Terry Cummings
Earl Cureton
Quintin Dailey
Adrian Dantley*
Brad Davis
Charles Davis
Johnny Davis
Mike Davis
Walter Davis
Darryl Dawkins
Kenny Dennard
Coby Dietrick
James Donaldson
John Douglas
Leon Douglas
John Drew
Larry Drew
Terry Duerod
Mike Dunleavy
T.R. Dunn
John Duren
Mark Eaton
Jerry Eaves
Keith Edmonson
Franklin Edwards
James Edwards
Len Elmore
Chris Engler
Alex English*
Julius Erving*
Mike Evans
Eric Fernsten
Bruce Flowers
Sleepy Floyd
Phil Ford
World B. Free
Bill Garnett
Calvin Garrett
George Gervin*
Mike Gibson
Artis Gilmore*
Mike Glenn
Mike Gminski
Glen Gondrezick
Rickey Green
Dave Greenwood
John Greig
Kevin Grevey
Paul Griffin
Darrell Griffith
Bob Gross
Ernie Grunfeld
Petur Gudmundsson
Bill Hanzlik
Joe Hassett
Scott Hastings
Steve Hawes
Elvin Hayes*
Steve Hayes
Spencer Haywood
Gerald Henderson
Tom Henderson
Rod Higgins
Johnny High
Armond Hill
Craig Hodges
Lionel Hollins
Phil Hubbard
Geoff Huston
Marc Iavaroni
Dan Issel*
Tracy Jackson
Clay Johnson
Clemon Johnson
Dennis Johnson*
Eddie Johnson
Eddie Johnson
Frank Johnson
George Johnson
George Johnson
Magic Johnson*
Marques Johnson
Mickey Johnson
Reggie Johnson
Steve Johnson
Vinnie Johnson
Jim Johnstone
Bobby Jones
Caldwell Jones
Dwight Jones
Earl Jones
Edgar Jones
Hutch Jones
Major Jones
Eddie Jordan
Jeff Judkins
Rich Kelley
Clark Kellogg
Greg Kelser
Larry Kenon
Albert King
Bernard King*
Reggie King
Billy Knight
Joe Kopicki
Joel Kramer
Mitch Kupchak
Sam Lacey
Tom LaGarde
Bill Laimbeer
Jeff Lamp
Mark Landsberger
Bob Lanier*
Allen Leavell
'Ronnie Lester
Fat Lever
Cliff Levingston
Steve Lingenfelter
Alton Lister
Lewis Lloyd
Scott Lloyd
Kevin Loder
John Long
John Lucas
Maurice Lucas
Rudy Macklin
Kyle Macy
Dave Magley
Rick Mahorn
Moses Malone*
Wes Matthews
Cedric Maxwell
Scott May
Bob McAdoo*
Hank McDowell
Mike McGee
Kevin McHale*
Kevin McKenna
Billy McKinney
Tom McMillen
Mark McNamara
Joe Meriweather
Mike Mitchell
Steve Mix
Paul Mokeski
Sidney Moncrief
Johnny Moore
Lowes Moore
Guy Morgan
Calvin Murphy*
Larry Nance
Swen Nater
Calvin Natt
Kenny Natt
Ed Nealy
Chuck Nevitt
Carl Nicks
Kurt Nimphius
Norm Nixon
Audie Norris
Mike O'Koren
Mark Olberding
Jawann Oldham
Louis Orr
Tom Owens
Robert Parish*
Billy Paultz
Jim Paxson
Sam Pellom
Eddie Phillips
Ricky Pierce
Charles Pittman
Ben Poquette
Kevin Porter
Paul Pressey
Mark Radford
Ed Rains
Kurt Rambis
Kelvin Ransey
James Ray
Robert Reid
Clint Richardson
Micheal Ray Richardson
Anthony Roberts
Rick Robey
Cliff Robinson
Oliver Robinson
Truck Robinson
Dave Robisch
Tree Rollins
Lorenzo Romar
Dan Roundfield
Jeff Ruland
Campy Russell
Walker Russell
Mike Sanders
DeWayne Scales
Danny Schayes
Russ Schoene
Alvin Scott
Lonnie Shelton
Ed Sherod
Purvis Short
Jerry Sichting
Jack Sikma
Jose Slaughter
Derek Smith
Jim Smith
Larry Smith
Phil Smith
Randy Smith
Robert Smith
Ricky Sobers
Jim Spanarkel
Rory Sparrow
Larry Spriggs
Brook Steppe
Jeff Taylor
Vince Taylor
Terry Teagle
Carlos Terry
Reggie Theus
David Thirdkill
Isiah Thomas*
Corny Thompson
David Thompson*
LaSalle Thompson
Mychal Thompson
Darren Tillis
Ray Tolbert
Andrew Toney
Linton Townes
Kelly Tripucka
Trent Tucker
Elston Turner
Terry Tyler
Darnell Valentine
Jan Van Breda Kolff
Kiki Vandeweghe
Pete Verhoeven
Jay Vincent
Danny Vranes
Foots Walker
Wally Walker
Bill Walton*
Bryan Warrick
Kermit Washington
Marvin Webster
Scott Wedman
Paul Westphal
Jerome Whitehead
Bob Wilkerson
Jamaal Wilkes*
James Wilkes
Dominique Wilkins*
Jeff Wilkins
Buck Williams
Freeman Williams
Gus Williams
Herb Williams
Ray Williams
Rickey Williams
Rob Williams
Sam Williams
Sly Williams
Bill Willoughby
Brian Winters
Al Wood
Mike Woodson
Orlando Woolridge
James Worthy*
Jim Zoet
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TRADES
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TP nick. Thanks for setting all of this up.
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Willing to listen to offers on picks?
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Please defer any comments to the main thread. I think Nick wanted this one for picks only.
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Please defer any comments to the main thread. I think Nick wanted this one for picks only.
No that's fine. I actually think the Lottery Thread and Interest Thread could probably be locked and just have this one open. It will probably be easier for the mods that way as I expect the trade talks and picks to happen in this thread like they do in all the other drafts.
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Thanks nick. Tp.
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Is the star next to a players name telling that he's an all star?
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Is the star next to a players name telling that he's an all star?
I think those are HOFers.
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This one will definitely require a bit of homework and thinking...can't just toss together a team of All-Time greats and call it a day.
There are quite a few "very, very, good" non-HOF players on this list that would go quite well with the right mix of players around them...
Looking forward to this draft. Thanks for effort, Nick and thanks to panelists.
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GF, you nailed it, Still have to think fit, role, style of play etc. If anybody wants to discuss trades etc, pm me and AB.
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GF, you nailed it, Still have to think fit, role, style of play etc. If anybody wants to discuss trades etc, pm me and AB.
Yes, please do this. All offers will be met with at least a TP from me. :)
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im always down to trade even though im kind of warming up to the idea of having the 9th pick as i know my guy will be there
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2Nd pick eh?
Not bad, not bad at all.
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2Nd pick eh?
Not bad, not bad at all.
Yeah I think there is a clear top 3. I think there is a fairly clear next 4 or 5 and then about 7 or 8 in the next tier. So while being at the end of the first round, I think you miss out on the 1st and 2nd tier, you will get 2 from that 3rd tier.
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2Nd pick eh?
Not bad, not bad at all.
Pretty sure I know who your taking but PM me I'm curious.
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I'm 99% sure I know who I'm taking lol.
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I'm 99% sure I know who I'm taking lol.
Ricky Robey?
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I'm 99% sure I know who I'm taking lol.
You better not take who im taking Kane...!
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Anyone wanting to swap/trade picks?
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I'm 99% sure I know who I'm taking lol.
Ricky Robey?
My guy is, let's just say, a little more "legendary" ;).
#NoNames
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I'm 99% sure I know who I'm taking lol.
Ricky Robey?
My guy is, let's just say, a little more "legendary" ;).
#NoNames
#1stPickSayName ;D
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I'm 99% sure I know who I'm taking lol.
You better not take who im taking Kane...!
You can always try to trade up Yoki!
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Hey Nick, is there a link to what year everyone chose/can it be put next to their name?
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Hey Nick, is there a link to what year everyone chose/can it be put next to their name?
You pick the player right away and do not need to decide which year you will chose until rosters are submitted.
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I'm 99% sure I know who I'm taking lol.
Ricky Robey?
My guy is, let's just say, a little more "legendary" ;).
#NoNames
Will you give me 33 guesses?
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I've got it Kane, Chris Ford.
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who should I send my list to just in case I am not back in my office by 1:30
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looking to trade up to around 4-7
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When do we start?
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When do we start?
Looks like 12:15
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Hey Nick, is there a link to what year everyone chose/can it be put next to their name?
You pick the player right away and do not need to decide which year you will chose until rosters are submitted.
I meant what year your chose or yourself
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Like if the two players in front of me chose years in the 90's, I don't have to worry about them picking a player who retired in 87.
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Like if the two players in front of me chose years in the 90's, I don't have to worry about them picking a player who retired in 87.
Still kind of do not understand the question.
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We have had a last minute drop of a GM. I have contacted Who to change from panelist to GM and take over this team. If I do not hear from him by the time to pick, I am going to pick for the franchise as I believe it unfair to whomever is going to take over the team to not have a player assigned until after the round due to the special circumstances involved.
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Like if the two players in front of me chose years in the 90's, I don't have to worry about them picking a player who retired in 87.
Still kind of do not understand the question.
KC, I don't think the years people chose restrict them in any way: Nick simply used them to compute an average year (82-83) that we all have to select from.
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I have picks from Kane and Moranis and will make them if they are not around. Both want tomake their own picks so I will wait to the last second to make their picks. Kane can make his pick any time after 12.
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Big TPs to Who for switching from panelist to GM of the Kansas City Kings. Thanks Who.
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Let's get it on. My 5 minute research is ready.
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Still 1215 go time?
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With the first pick I will take...
Larry Bird
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0905/this.day.sports.history.may26/images/larry-bird.jpg)
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Awesome pick.
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Awesome pick.
Thanks. TP.
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Yoki and The Lakers on the clock until 12:30
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Tough decision for Yoki. I can see going either way who I believe his two options are.
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Excellent pick by Kane.
For the second pick in the 2013 CB Historical draft. The Los Angeles Lakers select, a Laker.
(http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar.jpg)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
(his 1971-72 season)
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Tough decision for Yoki. I can see going either way who I believe his two options are.
His purple and gold options
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Excellent pick by Kane.
For the second pick in the 2013 CB Historical draft.
(http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar.jpg)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
(his 1971-72 season)
Most underrated player in NBA history.
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Excellent pick by Kane.
For the second pick in the 2013 CB Historical draft. The Los Angeles Lakers select, a Laker.
(http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/Kareem-Abdul-Jabbar.jpg)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
(his 1971-72 season)
Here I will help you out ;)
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Interesting....though I think I would have made the same decision
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A bit of a shocker, lol...I was sure Kareem would fall to me.
Give me a few minutes.
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A bit of a shocker, lol...I was sure Kareem would fall to me.
Give me a few minutes.
Sorry GreenFaith.
It's not everyday you can draft a DOMINANT center. I'm glad he fell to me. I was already game planning on how to build around Larry, 'till Kane took him... >:(
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A bit of a shocker, lol...I was sure Kareem would fall to me.
Give me a few minutes.
Sorry GreenFaith.
It's not everyday you can draft a DOMINANT center. I'm glad he fell to me. I was already game planning on how to build around Larry, 'till Kane took him... >:(
No worries - you perhaps took a LOAD of debating off of me...I was going to go with Kareem, but I think my pick will work out quite well for me...and it will be a big.
Arguably one of the most well-rounded Bigs to ever play the game. Pick coming in a few min.
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Going with Bill Walton. Irritating youtube videos to follow once I get home. ;D
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Going with Bill Walton. Irritating youtube videos to follow once I get home. ;D
You and Bob Ryan would get along ;).
Rebus and I were hoping he'd fall all the way to 12.
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Walton's one or two years in Portland were some of the best ever all around play by a center in league history. He was that good before the injury.
There are a couple players I might have drafted #3 though.
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Pretty decent morning for Who. He goes from panelist to team owner and the 4th pick and one of the most dynamic players in league history falls to him.
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Huh. This was unexpected. Kansas City takes Magic Johnson at #4. Great.
Bill Walton was my first choice if Magic had have gone in the top 3 as expected. I love Bill Walton's game. One of the perfect players to build around in an All-Time setup like this. Sensational player.
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Walton had a couple of great, if injured, seasons. However, he doesn't compare to Magic, in my mind.
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Walton had a couple of great, if injured, seasons. However, he doesn't compare to Magic, in my mind.
Gotta agree. I figured Walton top 7-8. 3??
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Walton had a couple of great, if injured, seasons. However, he doesn't compare to Magic, in my mind.
Gotta agree. I figured Walton top 7-8. 3??
I was hoping to grab him at 11
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With the 5th pick in the '13 CB Historical Draft, the Milwaukee Bucks select Moses Malone
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With the 5th pick in the '13 CB Historical Draft, the Milwaukee Bucks select Moses Malone
(http://www.nba.com/media/finals2003/moses_malone_1983.jpg)
Boooooooooourns.
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Walton had a couple of great, if injured, seasons. However, he doesn't compare to Magic, in my mind.
Gotta agree. I figured Walton top 7-8. 3??
I had him 6th.
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Shocked Magic fell to 4
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Shocked Magic fell to 4
Magic should have gone 2nd.
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With the 6 th pick. I will take the doctor. Dr. J.
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With the 6 th pick. I will take the doctor. Dr. J.
4th on my big board. Nice pick.
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Shocked Magic fell to 4
Magic should have gone 2nd.
Because you can go back in time, there's an argument to be made that Kareem should have gone first.
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Shocked Magic fell to 4
Magic should have gone 2nd.
Because you can go back in time, there's an argument to be made that Kareem should have gone first.
There's definitely an argument. A lot is going to come down to who is available at the end of the second round.
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Deciding between a few players, let me know if you're interested Ina trade.
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Magic dropping at 4? And here I thought he was definitely top three.
The Walton pick is very good. Although I don't think I'll pick him over Magic, but hey, to each his own.
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Shocked Magic fell to 4
Magic should have gone 2nd.
Because you can go back in time, there's an argument to be made that Kareem should have gone first.
Sure you aren't talking about Lew Alcindor? :D
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Very surprised by the Walton pick. I mean I gave my list to nick just in case and Walton was not one of the 6 guys on it and for him to go ahead of Magic is just shocking. I thought there was a very clear 3 that were way ahead of the others in Bird, Magic, and Kareem (you could argue them in any order). I thought Moses and Dr. J were clearly the next 2 (again you could argue any order). After that I figured there were 3 or 4 guys that were close to Moses and Dr. J, of which Walton was one of them. Just seems like an odd pick, especially given that Walton was never healthy. I mean the MVP year he only played in 58 games. Hard to build a team around that.
That said, I'm glad he went because it meant Dr. J fell to me at 6th and the Dr. had some truly special seasons.
That said, I'm curious as to how the panel will treat ABA seasons, which were clearly Dr. J's most prolific seasons. Will they be treated differently because they are the ABA and not the NBA? Any insight would be helpful from the panel as Dr. J still had some strong NBA seasons to choose from (including a MVP season).
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Isiah Thomas
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No. Not that one.
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Dis guy.
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Yeah I had Bird, Magic, and Kareem in that order. I think all three can be argued number one, but there are aspects about Bird's personality I personally felt set him apart. Out of all three I wanted the ball in his hands on the final possession the most.
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A friendly reminder to update signatures.
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I think an argument could be made that both leagues in basketball were watered down because of the situation and that the greats in either league would have put up those kind of numbers regardless of which league they were playing in. Remember cocaine was huge difference maker for both leagues at was used wide spread and seriously effected the performance in of players as well. So 70s basketball is tough to gauge so IMHO players stats and performance es can be interchanged.
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I am going to take Dave Cowens
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I think an argument could be made that both leagues in basketball were watered down because of the situation and that the greats in either league would have put up those kind of numbers regardless of which league they were playing in. Remember cocaine was huge difference maker for both leagues at was used wide spread and seriously effected the performance in of players as well. So 70s basketball is tough to gauge so IMHO players stats and performance es can be interchanged.
Yeah I won't hold any kind of grudge against ABA guys. Especially the Doctor!
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I am going to take Dave Cowens
surprised by this one
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I am going to take Dave Cowens
Very nice.
I love how he played (seeing his highlights of course). Very good pick.
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I am going to take Dave Cowens
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! He was my sneaky pick for next round!
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I am going to take Dave Cowens
surprised by this one
I'm surprised, too, but I like it.
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I am going to take Dave Cowens
surprised by this one
I'm surprised, too, but I like it.
ya I don't dislike it, just snuck up on me
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RONALDOOOOOOOOO
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I think an argument could be made that both leagues in basketball were watered down because of the situation and that the greats in either league would have put up those kind of numbers regardless of which league they were playing in. Remember cocaine was huge difference maker for both leagues at was used wide spread and seriously effected the performance in of players as well. So 70s basketball is tough to gauge so IMHO players stats and performance es can be interchanged.
Interesting. I had assumed that only NBA seasons were eligible for selection.
From my perspective in evaluating, the lesser talent in the ABA won't hurt the star players much at all. When evaluating role players, though, some of the over-inflated numbers from the ABA aren't going to sway me.
In the specific case of Dr. J, he was a dominant player, and he'll be treated as one. At the same time, I don't see him as a guy who could ever average 10+ rebounds in the NBA, and I won't be assuming he could just because he did that numerous times in the NBA.
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Cowens was one of the premier defenders of his time. A solid pick
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I am going to take Dave Cowens
surprised by this one
I'm surprised, too, but I like it.
I'm not surprised at all. Celtic. Champion. League MVP. I mean 6-8 is exactly where he should have gone in this thing.
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I actually didn't realize Isiah Thomas was available. Not that I would have altered my pick in any manner, but just a good find by KC there. I guess I should have done better research.
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I really like the Cowens pick. I had him 6th on my board.
Great player to build around. Tough physical defense and rebounding. Great leader.
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I think I'm going with 75-76 for Erving. He won his third straight MVP, led the New York Nets to their 2nd title, was of course 1st Team All League and was also 1st Team All Defense.
His stat line
29.3 ppg, 11.0 rpg, 5.0 apg, 2.5 spg, 1.9 bpg all while shooting 50.7% from the field, 33.0% from three, and 80.1% from the line (and played in all 84 games).
He was even better in the playoffs that year scoring nearly 35 a game and grabbing 12.6 rebounds a game and upping the FG% to 53.3%.
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So when does Duncan come off the board?
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Airbelinelli is up
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Any suggestions for which Bird year should be used?
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Any suggestions for which Bird year should be used?
84-85
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Haven't heard from my partner yet so I'm just gonna go solo on this one and take George "the iceman" gervin
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Any suggestions for which Bird year should be used?
84-85
I would say '86. It's his best combination of regular season and post-season dominance, in my opinion.
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Any suggestions for which Bird year should be used?
84-85
I would say '86. It's his best combination of regular season and post-season dominance, in my opinion.
Thanks and TP to both of you.
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I will take Kevin McHale
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I will take Kevin McHale
Was between gervin and McHale for awhile
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Iceman is pure scoring. I figured him for the 2nd round.
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I will take Kevin McHale
Nice one. I think he'll be a great choice to build around.
His size at the PF position, low post game and defensive versatility gives you great flexibility.
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Wow really i sent you a list
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I'll Take Elvin "The Big E" Hayes
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I will take Kevin McHale
Nice one. I think he'll be a great choice to build around.
His size at the PF position, low post game and defensive versatility gives you great flexibility.
I hope so! ;D
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I'll Take Elvin "The Big E" Hayes
Nice. I was hoping he would fall to me and Larry.
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If nobody has any objections, I'm going to wait for Rebus to get out from work so we can discuss our pick. We do have the last one of the day, after all.
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I think everyone taken thus far was worthy of the first round with the possible exception of Gervin. There was at least a couple of guys not picked who I had ahead of him, both of whom were more well-rounded.
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If nobody has any objections, I'm going to wait for Rebus to get out from work so we can discuss our pick. We do have the last one of the day, after all.
Fine with me.
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Wow really i sent you a list
I never received a list ronaldo. We talked about a certain player but your coGM was here. So his pick stands.
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Wow really i sent you a list
I never received a list ronaldo. We talked about a certain player but your coGM was here. So his pick stands.
Tbf I had no idea about the list I thought I was going in blind and just tried to pick someone...
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for what its worth I probably would have considered Gervin if he was available when I was picking. super efficient scorer
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one guy still around I'm very surprised about.
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Wow really i sent you a list
I never received a list ronaldo. We talked about a certain player but your coGM was here. So his pick stands.
You getting the front page updated?
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36 Guys still around that im flabergasted are still available.
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Ill back out as coGM and let airbellinel be GM i wouldnt mind being a panelist if you need one
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The Washington Bullets are proud to select at number 12, from the University of North Carolina:
Bob McAdoo
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The Washington Bullets are proud to select at number 12, from the University of North Carolina:
Bob McAdoo
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/bob-mcadoo/bob-mcadoo-300-070811.jpg)
There is the guy I was thinking of. MVP in a 30+/14+ season. Not too many of those guys floating around.
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The Washington Bullets are proud to select at number 12, from the University of North Carolina:
Bob McAdoo
Great pick in MVP year 34 points 14 rebounds 2 blocks 50%fg and 80% from free throw
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Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.
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Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.
Love to hear people's thoughts between
'73-'74: 30.6 ppg, 15.1 reb, 3.3 blk, .547
'74-'75 34.5 ppg, 14.1 reb, 2.1 blk, .512, MVP
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Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.
Love to hear people's thoughts between
'73-'74: 30.6 ppg, 15.1 reb, 3.3 blk .547
'74-'75 34.5 ppg, 14.1 reb, 2.1 blk, .512
When in doubt go mvp year
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Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.
I was going to take him at 6 had Dr. J not dropped to me. Just a great scorer and rebounder (though the defense is lacking).
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Looking to acquire an additional 2nd
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Looking to acquire an additional 2nd
depending how the round starts tomorrow I might be willing to trade my 2nd.
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I find it a bit...."odd" for the Bill Walton comments.
For me, I had him easily among the top 3 Bigs - in "this" format. We must remember that this draft is not wide open like previous drafts...there won't be many (if any) HOF-caliber bigs like Walton, and perhaps NONE with his vast skill set.
His numbers may not wow you like Moses or Kareem, but check out those assists...he thrived with Ball Movement when it was needed.
Just his 76-77 Playoff numbers alone:
18.2 pts, 15.2 rebs, 5.5 ASSISTS, 1.1 steals, 3.4 BLOCKS....all culminating in a Championship year and Finals MVP.
In "This" format, it best served me to grab the best Big available, and while I went back and forth with Moses I eventually went with Walton due to his all-around skill....that alone will serve the team I put around him well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVoU4_iDfo
And while Magic was the best "overall player" available during my pick, he wasn't the best "Big"...I had Walton in that regard.
As we progress through the draft, I will watch with much interest as we try to put some players around the ones picked this round. Some players...perhaps...only played well or put up the numbers they did because of players around them, based on history.
I figured that Bill Walton would do well in this format...in a wide open Historical Draft, he'd go a little later, but here?
I had him as a top 3 Big, no question. Could not pass on him...he's a very under-rated defender, too.
Glad to build my team around him. And in this fantasy format, he's healthy. I'll take that 76-77 year and toss the others out.
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I like Walton, would have taken him if he dropped. I think people just valued Magic among others more.
Overall a nice first round imo. Interested to see what people do tomorrow.
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Thanks guys. That's what we were thinking. Had a list of guys we hoped would fall and he was the one left.
Love to hear people's thoughts between
'73-'74: 30.6 ppg, 15.1 reb, 3.3 blk .547
'74-'75 34.5 ppg, 14.1 reb, 2.1 blk, .512
When in doubt go mvp year
Agreed.
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Things are going to be getting real subjective with players real soon.
Thought there was a solid core of 7-8 guys going into today that were cornerstones while there are now a ton that wouldn't shock me if they went 2nd round or 4th round. It's all about where you value them or if you draft for chemistry purposes.
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I find it a bit...."odd" for the Bill Walton comments.
For me, I had him easily among the top 3 Bigs - in "this" format. We must remember that this draft is not wide open like previous drafts...there won't be many (if any) HOF-caliber bigs like Walton, and perhaps NONE with his vast skill set.
His numbers may not wow you like Moses or Kareem, but check out those assists...he thrived with Ball Movement when it was needed.
Just his 76-77 Playoff numbers alone:
18.2 pts, 15.2 rebs, 5.5 ASSISTS, 1.1 steals, 3.4 BLOCKS....all culminating in a Championship year and Finals MVP.
In "This" format, it best served me to grab the best Big available, and while I went back and forth with Moses I eventually went with Walton due to his all-around skill....that alone will serve the team I put around him well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVoU4_iDfo
And while Magic was the best "overall player" available during my pick, he wasn't the best "Big"...I had Walton in that regard.
As we progress through the draft, I will watch with much interest as we try to put some players around the ones picked this round. Some players...perhaps...only played well or put up the numbers they did because of players around them, based on history.
I figured that Bill Walton would do well in this format...in a wide open Historical Draft, he'd go a little later, but here?
I had him as a top 3 Big, no question. Could not pass on him...he's a very under-rated defender, too.
Glad to build my team around him. And in this fantasy format, he's healthy. I'll take that 76-77 year and toss the others out.
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Even in his "healthy" year he still missed almost 21% of the regular season. You see that is the problem with Walton. He was never healthy. You also get fairly similar production from a guy like Dave Cowens.
With Magic Johnson on the board (and Bird and Kareem gone) you had to take Magic. I really can't see the logic of any other player in that spot.
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I'm a huge Walton fan and firmly believe if he had the availability of today's medical technology, he would be considered one of the top 3 bigs in the same breath as Russell, Chamberlain and Kareem. But he didn't and his legacy suffered. As Roy points out, even his best two years in the league he missed many games.
I am also a huge believer in building a team around an excellent big guy rather than a non big. But there are exceptions to every rule and I think Magic is that exception.
I will say that I spoke with 2 GMs prior to the draft and I said, I think a case can be made for any one of 7-8 players going #1 and Walton's name was among those names. Do I think his case is as good as others? No. but definitely an argument could be made that he should have been.
Ultimately my top 5 players went
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Malone
Erving
And then for the next 10-19 picks, I think, there's very little difference between those players. Walton, Cowens, an un-named PG and an unnamed center would be right at the top of that next group of players. Again, IMHO.
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I'm a huge Walton fan and firmly believe if he had the availability of today's medical technology, he would be considered one of the top 3 bigs in the same breath as Russell, Chamberlain and Kareem. But he didn't and his legacy suffered. As Roy points out, even his best two years in the league he missed many games.
I am also a huge believer in building a team around an excellent big guy rather than a non big. But there are exceptions to every rule and I think Magic is that exception.
I will say that I spoke with 2 GMs prior to the draft and I said, I think a case can be made for any one of 7-8 players going #1 and Walton's name was among those names. Do I think his case is as good as others? No. but definitely an argument could be made that he should have been.
Ultimately my top 5 players went
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Malone
Erving
And then for the next 10-19 picks, I think, there's very little difference between those players. Walton, Cowens, an un-named PG and an unnamed center would be right at the top of that next group of players. Again, IMHO.
As you know we had the same top 5. I was surprised McAdoo lasted till 12, though I figured I wouldn't have needed to take him at 6, which is what I had on my list. People always forget about McAdoo, but in this format his scoring and rebounding are huge assets. Also, unlike most centers of his time, he had a very stong mid range game and was an excellent jump shooter.
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I'm a huge Walton fan and firmly believe if he had the availability of today's medical technology, he would be considered one of the top 3 bigs in the same breath as Russell, Chamberlain and Kareem. But he didn't and his legacy suffered. As Roy points out, even his best two years in the league he missed many games.
I am also a huge believer in building a team around an excellent big guy rather than a non big. But there are exceptions to every rule and I think Magic is that exception.
I will say that I spoke with 2 GMs prior to the draft and I said, I think a case can be made for any one of 7-8 players going #1 and Walton's name was among those names. Do I think his case is as good as others? No. but definitely an argument could be made that he should have been.
Ultimately my top 5 players went
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Malone
Erving
And then for the next 10-19 picks, I think, there's very little difference between those players. Walton, Cowens, an un-named PG and an unnamed center would be right at the top of that next group of players. Again, IMHO.
As you know we had the same top 5. I was surprised McAdoo lasted till 12, though I figured I wouldn't have needed to take him at 6, which is what I had on my list. People always forget about McAdoo, but in this format his scoring and rebounding are huge assets. Also, unlike most centers of his time, he had a very stong mid range game and was an excellent jump shooter.
Roy is doubtful of Dr. J's ability to get 10 RPG when he was young but McAdoo, in a watered down NBA, got 14 and 15. If McAdoo could get those numbers in the NBA during those years, I firmly believe Dr. J could have gotten 10 RPG.
But you're right, McAdoo gets forgotten but a lot of those 70's guys do because of a lack of good television contract, the division of the two leagues, and the basic popularity of the game as basketball for most of the late 60'sd and early 70's was identified, in a bad way, as a "black" league. Really dumb, IMO, but that was American society then.
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I'm a huge Walton fan and firmly believe if he had the availability of today's medical technology, he would be considered one of the top 3 bigs in the same breath as Russell, Chamberlain and Kareem. But he didn't and his legacy suffered. As Roy points out, even his best two years in the league he missed many games.
I am also a huge believer in building a team around an excellent big guy rather than a non big. But there are exceptions to every rule and I think Magic is that exception.
I will say that I spoke with 2 GMs prior to the draft and I said, I think a case can be made for any one of 7-8 players going #1 and Walton's name was among those names. Do I think his case is as good as others? No. but definitely an argument could be made that he should have been.
Ultimately my top 5 players went
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Malone
Erving
And then for the next 10-19 picks, I think, there's very little difference between those players. Walton, Cowens, an un-named PG and an unnamed center would be right at the top of that next group of players. Again, IMHO.
As you know we had the same top 5. I was surprised McAdoo lasted till 12, though I figured I wouldn't have needed to take him at 6, which is what I had on my list. People always forget about McAdoo, but in this format his scoring and rebounding are huge assets. Also, unlike most centers of his time, he had a very stong mid range game and was an excellent jump shooter.
Roy is doubtful of Dr. J's ability to get 10 RPG when he was young but McAdoo, in a watered down NBA, got 14 and 15. If McAdoo could get those numbers in the NBA during those years, I firmly believe Dr. J could have gotten 10 RPG.
But you're right, McAdoo gets forgotten but a lot of those 70's guys do because of a lack of good television contract, the division of the two leagues, and the basic popularity of the game as basketball for most of the late 60'sd and early 70's was identified, in a bad way, as a "black" league. Really dumb, IMO, but that was American society then.
Which is why I love this particular time frame for the draft this year.
Extremely tough and you really need to dig on guys.
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All told, an excellent round. Every player was deserving of a first round pick though there's probably a couple guys I would have had rather than a few picked.
Remember, you might think a player chosen to high but if a GM is going for a Best Defensive Team or a best Offensive Team type of team, they might value certain players more that fit in those categories.
There's a million ways to make a million bucks, as someone very wise once told me. So, its kind of tough to judge to much at this point. GreenFaith's pick of Walton and airbelinelli's pick of Gervin could turn out awesome, depending on where they are going with their team. GF probably got the best passing center in NBA history that can also dominate defensively and rebound like a mutha. air got one of the best pure scorer's in the history of the NBA. Tough to argue against getting a guy like that.
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Front page updated.
ronaldo943 is leaving his position as co-GM of the San Diego Clippers and will be becoming a panelist after an amicable separation from San Diego over creative differences.
Have fun. PM me trades if you make them. Remember I need them from both parties. I will only be on intermittently so please be patient with my confirming the trades, or if Roy is around is willing and doesn't mind confirming the trade, I am fine with that as his judgment on these things is pretty excellent.
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Front page updated.
ronaldo943 is leaving his position as co-GM of the San Diego Clippers and will be becoming a panelist after an amicable separation from San Diego over creative differences.
Have fun. PM me trades if you make them. Remember I need them from both parties. I will only be on intermittently so please be patient with my confirming the trades, or if Roy is around is willing and doesn't mind confirming the trade, I am fine with that as his judgment on these things is pretty excellent.
If you want they can also send trades to me and ill confirm as long as i get confirmation from both teams
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Front page updated.
ronaldo943 is leaving his position as co-GM of the San Diego Clippers and will be becoming a panelist after an amicable separation from San Diego over creative differences.
Have fun. PM me trades if you make them. Remember I need them from both parties. I will only be on intermittently so please be patient with my confirming the trades, or if Roy is around is willing and doesn't mind confirming the trade, I am fine with that as his judgment on these things is pretty excellent.
If you want they can also send trades to me and ill confirm as long as i get confirmation from both teams
Just trying to keep it simple for now ronaldo but I appreciate the offer, just the same. let's keep it at send trades my way. Only if you don't see a confirmation after an extended period, see if Roy is available and would be willing to confirm as I really haven't brought this up to him yet, but knowing Roy, he will be okay with it.
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I find it a bit...."odd" for the Bill Walton comments.
For me, I had him easily among the top 3 Bigs - in "this" format. We must remember that this draft is not wide open like previous drafts...there won't be many (if any) HOF-caliber bigs like Walton, and perhaps NONE with his vast skill set.
His numbers may not wow you like Moses or Kareem, but check out those assists...he thrived with Ball Movement when it was needed.
Just his 76-77 Playoff numbers alone:
18.2 pts, 15.2 rebs, 5.5 ASSISTS, 1.1 steals, 3.4 BLOCKS....all culminating in a Championship year and Finals MVP.
In "This" format, it best served me to grab the best Big available, and while I went back and forth with Moses I eventually went with Walton due to his all-around skill....that alone will serve the team I put around him well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVoU4_iDfo
And while Magic was the best "overall player" available during my pick, he wasn't the best "Big"...I had Walton in that regard.
As we progress through the draft, I will watch with much interest as we try to put some players around the ones picked this round. Some players...perhaps...only played well or put up the numbers they did because of players around them, based on history.
I figured that Bill Walton would do well in this format...in a wide open Historical Draft, he'd go a little later, but here?
I had him as a top 3 Big, no question. Could not pass on him...he's a very under-rated defender, too.
Glad to build my team around him. And in this fantasy format, he's healthy. I'll take that 76-77 year and toss the others out.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1uwf_ewHlC_kTBZ15mPYWg3RMPaV6FTwAyvA4zdkVowr-vJ4m8g)
Even in his "healthy" year he still missed almost 21% of the regular season. You see that is the problem with Walton. He was never healthy. You also get fairly similar production from a guy like Dave Cowens.
With Magic Johnson on the board (and Bird and Kareem gone) you had to take Magic. I really can't see the logic of any other player in that spot.
Then tell me what quality Big are you going to place next to Erving?
And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
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I certainly hope we aren't going down the road of judging each others rosters THIS early.
A case can be made against every player that was picked so far.
Seems as if some here have drawn first blood on Walton.
I don't desire to draw blood on Kareem, Magic's, Larry's, etc - shortcomings.
In judging people's rosters this early, spread the love, so to speak.
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I find it a bit...."odd" for the Bill Walton comments.
For me, I had him easily among the top 3 Bigs - in "this" format. We must remember that this draft is not wide open like previous drafts...there won't be many (if any) HOF-caliber bigs like Walton, and perhaps NONE with his vast skill set.
His numbers may not wow you like Moses or Kareem, but check out those assists...he thrived with Ball Movement when it was needed.
Just his 76-77 Playoff numbers alone:
18.2 pts, 15.2 rebs, 5.5 ASSISTS, 1.1 steals, 3.4 BLOCKS....all culminating in a Championship year and Finals MVP.
In "This" format, it best served me to grab the best Big available, and while I went back and forth with Moses I eventually went with Walton due to his all-around skill....that alone will serve the team I put around him well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVoU4_iDfo
And while Magic was the best "overall player" available during my pick, he wasn't the best "Big"...I had Walton in that regard.
As we progress through the draft, I will watch with much interest as we try to put some players around the ones picked this round. Some players...perhaps...only played well or put up the numbers they did because of players around them, based on history.
I figured that Bill Walton would do well in this format...in a wide open Historical Draft, he'd go a little later, but here?
I had him as a top 3 Big, no question. Could not pass on him...he's a very under-rated defender, too.
Glad to build my team around him. And in this fantasy format, he's healthy. I'll take that 76-77 year and toss the others out.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1uwf_ewHlC_kTBZ15mPYWg3RMPaV6FTwAyvA4zdkVowr-vJ4m8g)
Even in his "healthy" year he still missed almost 21% of the regular season. You see that is the problem with Walton. He was never healthy. You also get fairly similar production from a guy like Dave Cowens.
With Magic Johnson on the board (and Bird and Kareem gone) you had to take Magic. I really can't see the logic of any other player in that spot.
Then tell me what quality Big are you going to place next to Erving?
And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
Maybe its just me but i think there is a surplus amount of quality bigs (double-double guys)
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I certainly hope we aren't going down the road of judging each others rosters THIS early.
A case can be made against every player that was picked so far.
Seems as if some here have drawn first blood on Walton.
I don't desire to draw blood on Kareem, Magic's, Larry's, etc - shortcomings.
In judging people's rosters this early, spread the love, so to speak.
I like the Walton pick when healthy:
18.6 pts 14.4 rebs 3.2 blks 3.8 assts 1 stl
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Hey, I can honestly say AB and I hoped Walton would drop to 12 so we liked him.
Pretty sure we've settled on who will be taken at 2.1. All I can say is it's a he and he was fantastic.
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I find it a bit...."odd" for the Bill Walton comments.
For me, I had him easily among the top 3 Bigs - in "this" format. We must remember that this draft is not wide open like previous drafts...there won't be many (if any) HOF-caliber bigs like Walton, and perhaps NONE with his vast skill set.
His numbers may not wow you like Moses or Kareem, but check out those assists...he thrived with Ball Movement when it was needed.
Just his 76-77 Playoff numbers alone:
18.2 pts, 15.2 rebs, 5.5 ASSISTS, 1.1 steals, 3.4 BLOCKS....all culminating in a Championship year and Finals MVP.
In "This" format, it best served me to grab the best Big available, and while I went back and forth with Moses I eventually went with Walton due to his all-around skill....that alone will serve the team I put around him well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVoU4_iDfo
And while Magic was the best "overall player" available during my pick, he wasn't the best "Big"...I had Walton in that regard.
As we progress through the draft, I will watch with much interest as we try to put some players around the ones picked this round. Some players...perhaps...only played well or put up the numbers they did because of players around them, based on history.
I figured that Bill Walton would do well in this format...in a wide open Historical Draft, he'd go a little later, but here?
I had him as a top 3 Big, no question. Could not pass on him...he's a very under-rated defender, too.
Glad to build my team around him. And in this fantasy format, he's healthy. I'll take that 76-77 year and toss the others out.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS1uwf_ewHlC_kTBZ15mPYWg3RMPaV6FTwAyvA4zdkVowr-vJ4m8g)
Even in his "healthy" year he still missed almost 21% of the regular season. You see that is the problem with Walton. He was never healthy. You also get fairly similar production from a guy like Dave Cowens.
With Magic Johnson on the board (and Bird and Kareem gone) you had to take Magic. I really can't see the logic of any other player in that spot.
Then tell me what quality Big are you going to place next to Erving?
And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
There are plenty of guys out there that will produce at the center spot. For obvious reasons I am not going to list them here.
Injuries have always been factored in in these things it is just that most guys used have at least a 70 game season. To do that with Walton you really cut out his productivity so you have to go with the 65 or 58 game season, and I believe that will definitely factor in as Walton will miss 1 out of every 5 games. At least that is my thought.
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Hey, I can honestly say AB and I hoped Walton would drop to 12 so we liked him.
Pretty sure we've settled on who will be taken at 2.1. All I can say is it's a he and he was fantastic.
Canadien mind games.
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Hey, I can honestly say AB and I hoped Walton would drop to 12 so we liked him.
Pretty sure we've settled on who will be taken at 2.1. All I can say is it's a he and he was fantastic.
Canadien mind games.
I don't know what the Gretzky you're talking about eh. I'm going to just chill now and listen to some Robin Daggers.
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And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
I think historically, injuries get factored in. Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.
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If anyone wants to chat im available for a bit can give advise and give you some players to think about
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And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
I think historically, injuries get factored in. Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.
I can't remember them factoring in.
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?
Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.
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And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
I think historically, injuries get factored in. Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.
I can't remember them factoring in.
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?
Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.
Yep, I'm a panelist. Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.
In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet. It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.
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Two questions for Roy or Nick...
1. Can we select an ABA season?
2. If so, what is more impressive to you: 25ppg in the ABA or 20ppg in the NBA (just an example)?
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Two questions for Roy or Nick...
1. Can we select an ABA season?
2. If so, what is more impressive to you: 25ppg in the ABA or 20ppg in the NBA (just an example)?
Nor Roy nor Nick but you can select an ABA league but i would go with 20 ppg in nba as there was more competition
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And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
I think historically, injuries get factored in. Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.
I can't remember them factoring in.
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?
Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.
Yep, I'm a panelist. Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.
In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet. It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.
Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?
I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.
I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.
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And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
I think historically, injuries get factored in. Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.
I can't remember them factoring in.
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?
Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.
Yep, I'm a panelist. Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.
In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet. It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.
Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?
I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.
I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.
Its definitely happened before and I don't think your pick is being unfairly criticized or for that matter, being criticized much at all.
Walton had an injury riddled career. Even his best years were shortened. Taking Walton you have to know that and build properly around it. That's no different than the shortcomings of any player.
McAdoo was not a good defender. Neither was Gervin. And Gervin wasn't the best or most willing passer either. Isiah Thomas is a small PG. Moses could be attitudinal and selfish. Kevin McHale's best offensive years came after his broken foot when his defense started slipping. McHale's best defensive years were when he was much younger. You can pick young Magic who couldn't shoot but was awesome elsewhere or you can chose older Magic who could shoot and score but who's defense was awful.
Every player has pluses and minuses. If you choose a player, you have to be ready to build around his strengths and his weaknesses.
Walton's only weakness might have been his health. When he was healthy, absolutely dominant. Just build around those things.
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And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
I think historically, injuries get factored in. Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.
I can't remember them factoring in.
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?
Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.
Yep, I'm a panelist. Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.
In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet. It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.
Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?
I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.
I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.
Its definitely happened before and I don't think your pick is being unfairly criticized or for that matter, being criticized much at all.
Walton had an injury riddled career. Even his best years were shortened. Taking Walton you have to know that and build properly around it. That's no different than the shortcomings of any player.
McAdoo was not a good defender. Neither was Gervin. And Gervin wasn't the best or most willing passer either. Isiah Thomas is a small PG. Moses could be attitudinal and selfish. Kevin McHale's best offensive years came after his broken foot when his defense started slipping. McHale's best defensive years were when he was much younger. You can pick young Magic who couldn't shoot but was awesome elsewhere or you can chose older Magic who could shoot and score but who's defense was awful.
Every player has pluses and minuses. If you choose a player, you have to be ready to build around his strengths and his weaknesses.
Walton's only weakness might have been his health. When he was healthy, absolutely dominant. Just build around those things.
The above bolded is SO true, Nick.
Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.
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Two questions for Roy or Nick...
1. Can we select an ABA season?
2. If so, what is more impressive to you: 25ppg in the ABA or 20ppg in the NBA (just an example)?
I think indicated that you can.
I'd tend to go with 20 ppg in the NBA. However, statistics alone won't be decisive in judging players.
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Two questions for Roy or Nick...
1. Can we select an ABA season?
2. If so, what is more impressive to you: 25ppg in the ABA or 20ppg in the NBA (just an example)?
I think indicated that you can.
I'd tend to go with 20 ppg in the NBA. However, statistics alone won't be decisive in judging players.
Thanks. Just trying to get a baseline; obviously there's a lot more to consider.
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And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
I think historically, injuries get factored in. Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.
I can't remember them factoring in.
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?
Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.
Yep, I'm a panelist. Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.
In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet. It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.
Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?
I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.
I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.
Its definitely happened before and I don't think your pick is being unfairly criticized or for that matter, being criticized much at all.
Walton had an injury riddled career. Even his best years were shortened. Taking Walton you have to know that and build properly around it. That's no different than the shortcomings of any player.
McAdoo was not a good defender. Neither was Gervin. And Gervin wasn't the best or most willing passer either. Isiah Thomas is a small PG. Moses could be attitudinal and selfish. Kevin McHale's best offensive years came after his broken foot when his defense started slipping. McHale's best defensive years were when he was much younger. You can pick young Magic who couldn't shoot but was awesome elsewhere or you can chose older Magic who could shoot and score but who's defense was awful.
Every player has pluses and minuses. If you choose a player, you have to be ready to build around his strengths and his weaknesses.
Walton's only weakness might have been his health. When he was healthy, absolutely dominant. Just build around those things.
The above bolded is SO true, Nick.
Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.
Probably because Magic Johnson was still available. It's not necessarily Bill, it's who was still there.
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Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.
You're not paying attention if you think Walton is the only pick that was criticized. Multiple people said they weren't thrilled with the Gervin pick.
The problem with the Walton pick wasn't that Walton isn't a first round talent. Rather, it's the player you chose to pass on. I think every other GM and panelist had Magic in their top three, and you passed on him. That's going to cause some debate.
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I think its the Walton over Magic pick but I had it Bird, Magic, Kareem, Malone, Erving, Walton. Just one man's opinion and I like all the picks so far, although Washington got a steal at 12 imo. ;D
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Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.
You're not paying attention if you think Walton is the only pick that was criticized. Multiple people said they weren't thrilled with the Gervin pick.
The problem with the Walton pick wasn't that Walton isn't a first round talent. Rather, it's the player you chose to pass on. I think every other GM and panelist had Magic in their top three, and you passed on him. That's going to cause some debate.
And I passed on Magic for good reason.
I wanted the best available big in this format this year, which isn't plentiful at all.
I also considered that Magic, in this format AND in past Historical Drafts, had outstanding talent around him...we won't see that this year, no matter how well the GM drafts.
By the time the 2nd round ends, there "could" be at least 2 HOFers on every team..if one GM choses, they could have 3.
I just couldn't pass on Bill Walton. I was a bit surprised when Magic fell, but I also was wary of his defense and limitations. I tossed his "star" power out the window, because he won't have Kareem under the basket in this game, and he may not have ______________.
I just think that at the end of this game we will see quite different outcomes that will cause us to realize just how fortunate Larry and Magic were, as far as talent surrounding them.
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And I don't think that injuries are going to play a factor in the Panelists, voting....they haven't in the past, and I'd be a bit shocked if they do now.
I think historically, injuries get factored in. Usually in these drafts there's enough depth so that one guy's injuries don't sink a team, but I think they're a factor.
I can't remember them factoring in.
Don't take this the wrong way, but are you a panelist?
Seems to be an awful lot of influential judgement already.
Yep, I'm a panelist. Each of us have different criteria, but I'd be shocked if there was a draft -- whether it's the historic draft, the CB Draft, or the Pick 2 Draft -- where I ignored injuries.
In terms of judgment, nobody is judging the final product yet. It's fair to not like particular picks when they're made, though.
Can you please post past examples of judgement as far as injuries go? For the Historical Drafts?
I've played in just about every one of them, and I remember them being a "Talking Point" but not a final determining factor as to a player's worth.
I just don't ever recall panelists showing their hands as far as to what they are going to judge GMs on.
Its definitely happened before and I don't think your pick is being unfairly criticized or for that matter, being criticized much at all.
Walton had an injury riddled career. Even his best years were shortened. Taking Walton you have to know that and build properly around it. That's no different than the shortcomings of any player.
McAdoo was not a good defender. Neither was Gervin. And Gervin wasn't the best or most willing passer either. Isiah Thomas is a small PG. Moses could be attitudinal and selfish. Kevin McHale's best offensive years came after his broken foot when his defense started slipping. McHale's best defensive years were when he was much younger. You can pick young Magic who couldn't shoot but was awesome elsewhere or you can chose older Magic who could shoot and score but who's defense was awful.
Every player has pluses and minuses. If you choose a player, you have to be ready to build around his strengths and his weaknesses.
Walton's only weakness might have been his health. When he was healthy, absolutely dominant. Just build around those things.
The above bolded is SO true, Nick.
Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.
Mostly because Magic was still available. You might be 1 out of 100 people that would be in this draft and select Walton over Magic. Doesn't make your selection wrong, just different.
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I also considered that Magic, in this format AND in past Historical Drafts, had outstanding talent around him...we won't see that this year, no matter how well the GM drafts.
I disagree here, for two main reasons.
1. There are only 12 teams, so there's less "dilution" of talent.
2. Because we can choose any year for a given player, that greatly increases the amount of all-star talent. As an example, in a present-day draft, imagine being able to select Amar'e at his best. I bet you the Pick 2 for the Knicks wouldn't have been Melo and Tyson.
Just my two cents.
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Then why do some have an issue with just Bill so far? I just don't see any other criticism directed towards any other player just yet.
You're not paying attention if you think Walton is the only pick that was criticized. Multiple people said they weren't thrilled with the Gervin pick.
The problem with the Walton pick wasn't that Walton isn't a first round talent. Rather, it's the player you chose to pass on. I think every other GM and panelist had Magic in their top three, and you passed on him. That's going to cause some debate.
And I passed on Magic for good reason.
I wanted the best available big in this format this year, which isn't plentiful at all.
I also considered that Magic, in this format AND in past Historical Drafts, had outstanding talent around him...we won't see that this year, no matter how well the GM drafts.
By the time the 2nd round ends, there "could" be at least 2 HOFers on every team..if one GM choses, they could have 3.
I just couldn't pass on Bill Walton. I was a bit surprised when Magic fell, but I also was wary of his defense and limitations. I tossed his "star" power out the window, because he won't have Kareem under the basket in this game, and he may not have ______________.
I just think that at the end of this game we will see quite different outcomes that will cause us to realize just how fortunate Larry and Magic were, as far as talent surrounding them.
I think you could have thrown Magic out there with the 1997 Celtics and he would have had them contending. He and Larry had every bit as much franchise-altering talent as MJ.
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Agree with Roy's take on Magic's and ABs. Can think of many players who could be paired well with Magic at all positions.
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I also considered that Magic, in this format AND in past Historical Drafts, had outstanding talent around him...we won't see that this year, no matter how well the GM drafts.
I disagree here, for two main reasons.
1. There are only 12 teams, so there's less "dilution" of talent.
2. Because we can choose any year for a given player, that greatly increases the amount of all-star talent. As an example, in a present-day draft, imagine being able to select Amar'e at his best. I bet you the Pick 2 for the Knicks wouldn't have been Melo and Tyson.
Just my two cents.
Yep.
See my pick.
In 82-83, he was a 20 minute a game player averaging 8 and 7.
But go back in history, I have an NBA MVP capable of averaging 20 and 16.
(not to mention the NBA all-defensive team selections)
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The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.
I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.
Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st
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I thought Walton's two seasons in 1977 and 1978 were amongst the most dominant individual season performances of All-Time.
Walton was the best defensive big man in the league. The best rebounder in the league. Arguably the best passing center of All-Time. And a good scorer who was very efficient to boot. Skilled post game. Hook shots. Turnaround shots. Short to midrange jump shot. Free throws. So well rounded.
In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.
I would put Walton at his peak up against any player in the history of this league. I have him on a par with Bird, Kareem and Magic. Given his skill-set as a defender and as a facilitator, I think Bill Walton is pretty much the ideal candidate to build a team around in this type of fantasy game -- single season snapshot + is loaded with talent. Does so much to his enable his teammates and bring the best out of people around him.
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I thought Walton's two seasons in 1977 and 1978 were amongst the most dominant individual season performances of All-Time.
Walton was the best defensive big man in the league. The best rebounder in the league. Arguably the best passing center of All-Time. And a good scorer who was very efficient to boot. Skilled post game. Hook shots. Turnaround shots. Short to midrange jump shot. Free throws. So well rounded.
In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.
I would put Walton at his peak up against any player in the history of this league. I have him on a par with Bird, Kareem and Magic. Given his skill-set as a defender and as a facilitator, I think Bill Walton is pretty much the ideal candidate to build a team around in this type of fantasy game -- single season snapshot + is loaded with talent. Does so much to his enable his teammates and bring the best out of people around him.
Just curious but over Magic?
I think people's criticism was taking Walton over Magic not taking Walton.
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Wow just found out Who is a GM and he has Magic i want to see the type of team he builds
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I thought Walton's two seasons in 1977 and 1978 were amongst the most dominant individual season performances of All-Time.
Walton was the best defensive big man in the league. The best rebounder in the league. Arguably the best passing center of All-Time. And a good scorer who was very efficient to boot. Skilled post game. Hook shots. Turnaround shots. Short to midrange jump shot. Free throws. So well rounded.
In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.
I would put Walton at his peak up against any player in the history of this league. I have him on a par with Bird, Kareem and Magic. Given his skill-set as a defender and as a facilitator, I think Bill Walton is pretty much the ideal candidate to build a team around in this type of fantasy game -- single season snapshot + is loaded with talent. Does so much to his enable his teammates and bring the best out of people around him.
Just curious but over Magic?
I think people's criticism was taking Walton over Magic not taking Walton.
I would have taken Magic over Walton myslef but I have no criticisms for someone taking Walton instead. I have both players are in the same tier.
I didn't think Walton would go ahead of Magic but I think he is a justifiable selection. In this setup where only one season counts, Walton is just as valuable in my eyes as Bird / Magic / Kareem. He is one of those guys that benefits greatly from these rules because his short peak and lack of longevity don't matter. Plus, I think players who can dominate games without scoring is so valuable in a fantasy league full of scorers.
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Thanks Who.
Appreciate the analysis as always. Am looking forward to seeing how you build around Magic.
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I happen to think the big players of this era are as numerous and as high in quality as just about any era in NBA history. The amount of All-Star non Hall of Fame bigs are tremendous, IMHO.
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The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.
I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.
Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st
I think this opinion is seriously affected by the modern idea that PGs are so important to a successful basketball team. I happen to agree with the older way of thinking that a great big man is the most important piece of a successful team.
And, I don't care about stats of other big men. If that is all you are looking at you didn't see Walton in his prime. Its the same with Cowens. Its all the extra stuff they brought to the table that made then what they were.
I would have personally chosen Magic over an all-time great big but he is the only PG EVER I would do that with. I happen to think that a team built around Walton that has an All-Star, non-HOF PG could be every bit as good as a team built around Magic and an All-Star, non-HOF center.
Honestly, if I were GF and knew Magic could be there and I wanted Walton, I would have shopped the pick and moved down a pick or two while picking up something in return. If GF picked Walton 4th or 5th instead of 3rd, people would be praising the pick.
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The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.
I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.
Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st
I think this opinion is seriously affected by the modern idea that PGs are so important to a successful basketball team. I happen to agree with the older way of thinking that a great big man is the most important piece of a successful team.
And, I don't care about stats of other big men. If that is all you are looking at you didn't see Walton in his prime. Its the same with Cowens. Its all the extra stuff they brought to the table that made then what they were.
I would have personally chosen Magic over an all-time great big but he is the only PG EVER I would do that with. I happen to think that a team built around Walton that has an All-Star, non-HOF PG could be every bit as good as a team built around Magic and an All-Star, non-HOF center.
Honestly, if I were GF and knew Magic could be there and I wanted Walton, I would have shopped the pick and moved down a pick or two while picking up something in return. If GF picked Walton 4th or 5th instead of 3rd, people would be praising the pick.
The only reason I chose Isiah over Cowens is because I was hoping people would forget Cowens played in 82-83.
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The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.
I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.
Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st
I think this opinion is seriously affected by the modern idea that PGs are so important to a successful basketball team. I happen to agree with the older way of thinking that a great big man is the most important piece of a successful team.
And, I don't care about stats of other big men. If that is all you are looking at you didn't see Walton in his prime. Its the same with Cowens. Its all the extra stuff they brought to the table that made then what they were.
I would have personally chosen Magic over an all-time great big but he is the only PG EVER I would do that with. I happen to think that a team built around Walton that has an All-Star, non-HOF PG could be every bit as good as a team built around Magic and an All-Star, non-HOF center.
Honestly, if I were GF and knew Magic could be there and I wanted Walton, I would have shopped the pick and moved down a pick or two while picking up something in return. If GF picked Walton 4th or 5th instead of 3rd, people would be praising the pick.
The only reason I chose Isiah over Cowens is because I was hoping people would forget Cowens played in 82-83.
To be honest, I'm not sure Isiah was even the best PG left on the board. So I would have taken Cowens.
Don't forget the player list is on the front page. Everyone should have known Cowens played in 82-83. ;) ;D
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The thing that bothered me the most about picking Walton over Magic is that you can get a big in the second round with comparable numbers to Walton but you cant get a point guard with comparable numbers to Magic as in points assist rebounds and steals.
I think there is about 15 HOF Bigs but only 3 HOF PGs and the fact that Magic is the greatest PG to play the game is just crazy to skip on him.
Im kicking myself in the head because i would have made an awesome deal to get the 4th pick if i knew Magic would be there i really was expecting him to go 1st
I think this opinion is seriously affected by the modern idea that PGs are so important to a successful basketball team. I happen to agree with the older way of thinking that a great big man is the most important piece of a successful team.
And, I don't care about stats of other big men. If that is all you are looking at you didn't see Walton in his prime. Its the same with Cowens. Its all the extra stuff they brought to the table that made then what they were.
I would have personally chosen Magic over an all-time great big but he is the only PG EVER I would do that with. I happen to think that a team built around Walton that has an All-Star, non-HOF PG could be every bit as good as a team built around Magic and an All-Star, non-HOF center.
Honestly, if I were GF and knew Magic could be there and I wanted Walton, I would have shopped the pick and moved down a pick or two while picking up something in return. If GF picked Walton 4th or 5th instead of 3rd, people would be praising the pick.
The only reason I chose Isiah over Cowens is because I was hoping people would forget Cowens played in 82-83.
To be honest, I'm not sure Isiah was even the best PG left on the board. So I would have taken Cowens.
Don't forget the player list is on the front page. Everyone should have known Cowens played in 82-83. ;) ;D
There's no other PG that was the best player on 2 championship teams. That being said, pretty sure I know who you're talking about and it'd be fun to pair him with Zeke.
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KC, Isaiah and Chris Ford?
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KC, Isaiah and Chris Ford?
STOP WITH THE CANADIEN MIND GAMES! I WILL NEVER LISTEN TO BRIAN MCKNIGHT!
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KC, Isaiah and Chris Ford?
STOP WITH THE CANADIEN MIND GAMES! I WILL NEVER LISTEN TO BRIAN MCKNIGHT!
I hear you. Sending you a mixed CD with Robin Sparkles, Robin Daggers, William Shattner and Paul Anka. You're welcome, my friend.
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KC, Isaiah and Chris Ford?
STOP WITH THE CANADIEN MIND GAMES! I WILL NEVER LISTEN TO BRIAN MCKNIGHT!
I hear you. Sending you a mixed CD with Robin Sparkles, Robin Daggers, William Shattner and Paul Anka. You're welcome, my friend.
You still owe KCat some change. You forgot to give him his....NICKLEBACK!!!!!
AWWWWWWWWWWWSNAPPP!!!!
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KC, Isaiah and Chris Ford?
STOP WITH THE CANADIEN MIND GAMES! I WILL NEVER LISTEN TO BRIAN MCKNIGHT!
I hear you. Sending you a mixed CD with Robin Sparkles, Robin Daggers, William Shattner and Paul Anka. You're welcome, my friend.
You still owe KCat some change. You forgot to give him his....NICKLEBACK!!!!!
AWWWWWWWWWWWSNAPPP!!!!
For lo, he is IndeedProceed, destroyer of jokes, look upon his punchlines and despair.
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In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.
Walton was very good in that series and won the finals MVP, but Maurice Lucas from his own team was by far Portland's leading scorer and Erving was by far the leading scorer in the series. Philly just had no one inside to match up with both Walton and Lucas.
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In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.
Walton was very good in that series and won the finals MVP, but Maurice Lucas from his own team was by far Portland's leading scorer and Erving was by far the leading scorer in the series. Philly just had no one inside to match up with both Walton and Lucas.
I don't think Who would argue that Walton was ever the most important scorer on his team, because he wasn't. He was the best defender, rebounder and leader on that team that was a phenomenal passer who could also be very efficient with his scoring and give you a constant 15-20PPG. He was that team's heart and soul. His BBIQ and ability to play an almost picture perfect center position were irreplaceable for that team.
Sound like any modern day Celtic you know who played PF in 2008 and center now?
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In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.
Walton was very good in that series and won the finals MVP, but Maurice Lucas from his own team was by far Portland's leading scorer and Erving was by far the leading scorer in the series. Philly just had no one inside to match up with both Walton and Lucas.
I don't think Who would argue that Walton was ever the most important scorer on his team, because he wasn't. He was the best defender, rebounder and leader on that team that was a phenomenal passer who could also be very efficient with his scoring and give you a constant 15-20PPG. He was that team's heart and soul. His BBIQ and ability to play an almost picture perfect center position were irreplaceable for that team.
Sound like any modern day Celtic you know who played PF in 2008 and center now?
I don't disagree, I was just objecting to the notion that Walton was far and away better than Erving. I just don't find that to be true. Erving was every bit as good as Walton was, Erving just didn't have a Mo Lucas on his team like Walton did. That was the point I was trying to make, though reading my post it probably wasn't that clear.
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In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.
Walton was very good in that series and won the finals MVP, but Maurice Lucas from his own team was by far Portland's leading scorer and Erving was by far the leading scorer in the series. Philly just had no one inside to match up with both Walton and Lucas.
I don't think Who would argue that Walton was ever the most important scorer on his team, because he wasn't. He was the best defender, rebounder and leader on that team that was a phenomenal passer who could also be very efficient with his scoring and give you a constant 15-20PPG. He was that team's heart and soul. His BBIQ and ability to play an almost picture perfect center position were irreplaceable for that team.
Sound like any modern day Celtic you know who played PF in 2008 and center now?
I don't disagree, I was just objecting to the notion that Walton was far and away better than Erving. I just don't find that to be true. Erving was every bit as good as Walton was, Erving just didn't have a Mo Lucas on his team like Walton did. That was the point I was trying to make, though reading my post it probably wasn't that clear.
Didn't Dr. J go for 40 points in the final game of that series?
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In those 1977 Finals, Julius Erving was in his prime and yet there is no question in my mind that Bill Walton was far and away the best player on the court in that series. The way he dominated that series was a sight to behold. Truly - a sight to behold. A textbook performance for how to play the center position.
Walton was very good in that series and won the finals MVP, but Maurice Lucas from his own team was by far Portland's leading scorer and Erving was by far the leading scorer in the series. Philly just had no one inside to match up with both Walton and Lucas.
I don't think Who would argue that Walton was ever the most important scorer on his team, because he wasn't. He was the best defender, rebounder and leader on that team that was a phenomenal passer who could also be very efficient with his scoring and give you a constant 15-20PPG. He was that team's heart and soul. His BBIQ and ability to play an almost picture perfect center position were irreplaceable for that team.
Sound like any modern day Celtic you know who played PF in 2008 and center now?
I don't disagree, I was just objecting to the notion that Walton was far and away better than Erving. I just don't find that to be true. Erving was every bit as good as Walton was, Erving just didn't have a Mo Lucas on his team like Walton did. That was the point I was trying to make, though reading my post it probably wasn't that clear.
Didn't Dr. J go for 40 points in the final game of that series?
Yeah, he was amazing in that game.
But by the same time, that playoff season Walton led the league in playoff rebounds, defensive rebounds, blocks, defensive rebound %, block %, defensive rating, defensive win shares and assists while averaging 18.2/15.2/5.5/3.4/1.1(points/rebounds/assists/blocks/steals). This was my first real long term look at Dr J and I got the feeling like I did when seeing MJ throw down 63 against the C's in the playoffs in 86'. I felt like yeah this guy is special, but the game was still about dominant big men at the time and I still felt Walton was by far the best player in that season and post season and that series, the same way I felt about Bird in that 86 season.
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Two questions for Roy or Nick...
1. Can we select an ABA season?
2. If so, what is more impressive to you: 25ppg in the ABA or 20ppg in the NBA (just an example)?
I think indicated that you can.
I'd tend to go with 20 ppg in the NBA. However, statistics alone won't be decisive in judging players.
Here is my question though, it seems to me that 70's basketball in both the ABA and NBA were of a similar quality. I mean Kareem was consistently a 30+/16+ player in the early 70's and then after the merger was more like a 25/10 type player (while still in his prime). I could see the argument that a 20 ppg average in the late 70's was better than a 25 ppg average in the early 70's no matter the league, but I don't get the league distinction as the ABA really was on par with the NBA right before the merger (that is why they merged, I mean you don't merge with a clearly inferior league).
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Anyone mind if I send in the pick now?
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Anyone mind if I send in the pick now?
Go ahead.
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Anyone mind if I send in the pick now?
As long as you don't take my guy, you can. Otherwise you are barred from picking.
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Anyone mind if I send in the pick now?
go for it
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Have at it gentlemen
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The Washington Bullets are going big, and will select Artis Gilmore at 2.1.
He's a 23/13/3/2 guy with great length, a presence down low (so McAdoo can spread the floor with his jumper), and All-NBA Defense. McAdoo will slide to PF.
(http://www.legendsofbasketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/AG.jpg)
Not to mention great hair.
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The Washington Bullets are going big, and will select Artis Gilmore at 2.1.
He's a 23/13/3/2 guy with great length, a presence down low (so McAdoo can spread the floor with his jumper), and All-NBA Defense. McAdoo will slide to PF.
(http://www.legendsofbasketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/AG.jpg)
Not to mention great hair.
unacceptable selection. You aren't allowed to take the best big man left. Just not cool.
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at 2.2 Dallas Selects, Nate, "Tiny" Archibald
(http://www.nba.com/media/history/archibald_layup_200.jpg)
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at 2.2 Dallas Selects, Nate, "Tiny" Archibald
(http://www.nba.com/media/history/archibald_layup_200.jpg)
how dare you....that was MY selection >:(
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Love the first two picks. Thought they both would actually go in the first round.
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at 2.2 Dallas Selects, Nate, "Tiny" Archibald
(http://www.nba.com/media/history/archibald_layup_200.jpg)
Aw shucks!
I thought he was going to fall... Great pick.
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There are the two guys I thought should have been taken in the first over a couple other guys. I know someone said Kareem is the most under rated player in NBA history, I happen to think that title belongs to Artis Gilmore
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Just an outsider's opinion.
Gilmore/McAdoo will be an interesting pairing/foundation. I personally like Gilmore more than McAdoo, but it doesn't really matter when you have back to back picks.
Tiny Archibald I think is a steal. If I was playing, he probably would have been top 5 on my list, surprised he made it to the 2nd round and that several players went ahead of him. Also I think there are very few dominant point guards in this era, while I think there is a surplus of quality bigs. So I think getting Archibald this low is a steal.
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After MUCH deliberation (2 minutes since I realized my first choice of 'Tiny' was taken) I am going to select 'Nique
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Love the first two picks. Thought they both would actually go in the first round.
Artis basically did ;)
We were thinking two big guys going in. It was just a matter of who we picked first. Maybe we wanted to have some fun by letting people think they could get Artis
;D
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Surprised Tiny didn't go in the first round. I had him in my top ten.
I figured he would go right after Isiah.
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Love the first two picks. Thought they both would actually go in the first round.
Artis basically did ;)
We were thinking two big guys going in. It was just a matter of who we picked first. Maybe we wanted to have some fun by letting people think they could get Artis
;D
well McAdoo is better than Gilmore. Frankly you shouldn't have had the chance at either and you ended up with both.
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After MUCH deliberation (2 minutes since I realized my first choice of 'Tiny' was taken) I am going to select 'Nique
Nique is about as good a scorer as you will find in this thing.
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After MUCH deliberation (2 minutes since I realized my first choice of 'Tiny' was taken) I am going to select 'Nique
Nique is about as good a scorer as you will find in this thing.
I disagree, i think there are about a couple more who is a good if not better.
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Well one of those great scorers is my next pick Alex English
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Well one of those great scorers is my next pick Alex English
Alex English and George Gervin on the same team. Man, this a lot of firepower.
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Well one of those great scorers is my next pick Alex English
Alex English and George Gervin on the same team. Man, this a lot of firepower.
How many balls does that team play with?
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Well one of those great scorers is my next pick Alex English
Alex English and George Gervin on the same team. Man, this a lot of firepower.
And not enough balls to go around to. One of them will definitely have a scoring setback if they are on the same team.
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Tiny Archibald is awesome value in the second round. 30 ppg + 11 assists + nearly 50% FG%.
He's one of the guys who thought could score as well as Gervin, but was more multi-dimensional.
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I am willing to move out of the second round entirely in the right trade. If anyone wants my pick offer me up something via P.M.. Thanks.
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Well one of those great scorers is my next pick Alex English
Alex English and George Gervin on the same team. Man, this a lot of firepower.
And not enough balls to go around to. One of them will definitely have a scoring setback if they are on the same team.
I think they will be fine together. A third high usage scorer could be hard to fit in there though. Depends on the guy but some of them would be problematic. That could maybe lead to some issues.
Some nice complementary scorers in the 14-18ppg variety who do most of their work in non-scoring areas like defending, rebounding and passing and I think they could have a nicely balanced team built around A.English + G.Gervin.
Interesting base for a run and gun team.
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Well one of those great scorers is my next pick Alex English
Alex English and George Gervin on the same team. Man, this a lot of firepower.
And not enough balls to go around to. One of them will definitely have a scoring setback if they are on the same team.
I think they will be fine together. A third high usage scorer could be hard to fit in there though. Depends on the guy but some of them would be problematic. That could maybe lead to some issues.
Some nice complementary scorers in the 14-18ppg variety who do most of their work in non-scoring areas like defending, rebounding and passing and I think they could have a nicely balanced team built around A.English + G.Gervin.
Interesting base for a run and gun team.
And the reality is, all of these teams will have that sort of a problem i.e. multiple 25+ scorers on the same team.
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Am I up?
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Am I up?
Yep
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Well one of those great scorers is my next pick Alex English
Alex English and George Gervin on the same team. Man, this a lot of firepower.
And not enough balls to go around to. One of them will definitely have a scoring setback if they are on the same team.
I think they will be fine together. A third high usage scorer could be hard to fit in there though. Depends on the guy but some of them would be problematic. That could maybe lead to some issues.
Some nice complementary scorers in the 14-18ppg variety who do most of their work in non-scoring areas like defending, rebounding and passing and I think they could have a nicely balanced team built around A.English + G.Gervin.
Interesting base for a run and gun team.
And the reality is, all of these teams will have that sort of a problem i.e. multiple 25+ scorers on the same team.
So you want those unselfish stars more then anything.
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I will select Robert Parish
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And the reality is, all of these teams will have that sort of a problem i.e. multiple 25+ scorers on the same team.
Yes and no. I think there are plenty of 25+ ppg guys who shared the ball. A team with Magic or Bird plus another volume scorer isn't going to have the same issue as two guys who were little more than scoring machines.
I agree with Who's point, though. It's probably possible to build a well-rounded team even with two one-dimensional scorers. The rest of the team needs to supply the defense, rebounding, ball-movement, etc., though.
From my perspective, putting five great scorers together doesn't automatically win the "best offensive team" award.
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Gonna reserve judgment on the Gervin-English pairing until I see who else fills out that team. They will need a defensive oriented pass first guard and a solid big man defensive anchor who can rebound. Get them that and that's a really solid foundation with two of the best scorers around.
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I will select Robert Parish
The Chief. Solid pick there.
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Tiny Archibald is awesome value in the second round. 30 ppg + 11 assists + nearly 50% FG%.
He's one of the guys who thought could score as well as Gervin, but was more multi-dimensional.
Boo ya
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Well one of those great scorers is my next pick Alex English
Alex English and George Gervin on the same team. Man, this a lot of firepower.
And not enough balls to go around to. One of them will definitely have a scoring setback if they are on the same team.
I think they will be fine together. A third high usage scorer could be hard to fit in there though. Depends on the guy but some of them would be problematic. That could maybe lead to some issues.
Some nice complementary scorers in the 14-18ppg variety who do most of their work in non-scoring areas like defending, rebounding and passing and I think they could have a nicely balanced team built around A.English + G.Gervin.
Interesting base for a run and gun team.
And the reality is, all of these teams will have that sort of a problem i.e. multiple 25+ scorers on the same team.
So you want those unselfish stars more then anything.
So glad my big likes to share the ball (4.6 assist/game). Selfish plug here, sue me.
If you don't mind me asking, which pick are we at now?
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The Chief with Cowens is a strange match. Kind of a lot of duplication of the same skills at the same position
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The Chief with Cowens is a strange match. Kind of a lot of duplication of the same skills at the same position
Oh. I didn't realize he had Cowens. They do seem to have a similar skill set, though Cowens was only like 6'9" so I'm sure they could play together against most teams. Still an odd pick, though I think that was clearly a value pick as Chief is pretty good value there.
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Love the Artis Gilmore/Bob McAdoo combo. Now just leave our other guys alone.
Oh and like Tiny and Hayes.
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anyone heard from KC? haven't seen him post today and he is next up.
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The Chief with Cowens is a strange match. Kind of a lot of duplication of the same skills at the same position
Oh. I didn't realize he had Cowens. They do seem to have a similar skill set, though Cowens was only like 6'9" so I'm sure they could play together against most teams. Still an odd pick, though I think that was clearly a value pick as Chief is pretty good value there.
Two defensive big men who can score 15-20 points a game and rebound.
In a league that had not become the outside shooting league is it now.
Cowens did play PF his last year and held up defensively.
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:'KC still has 17 minutes left. He will be here.
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Give me a second guys, had a rare business lunch. No longer interested in acquiring a second pick with Nique, Parish and Gilmore gone.
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Dennis Johnson.
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Dennis Johnson.
one of the 3 guys I was pondering. Still struggling with the other 2 so I will probably use close to my full time.
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Dennis Johnson.
Friendship OVER!!!!!
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Dennis Johnson.
Friendship OVER!!!!!
Seconded.
You got two angry Bullets GMs on your hands.
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I am interested in trading back up.
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KC, expect a boatload of Celine Dion CDs in the mail for this. Its on! >:( >:(
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I am interested in trading back up.
I will trade my pick which is on the clock now in the right trade. Just P.M. what you were thinking about.
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I am interested in trading back up.
I will trade my pick which is on the clock now in the right trade. Just P.M. what you were thinking about.
I replied, but I am not sure if the site is loading right for me at the moment.
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I am interested in trading back up.
I will trade my pick which is on the clock now in the right trade. Just P.M. what you were thinking about.
I replied, but I am not sure if the site is loading right for me at the moment.
pondering your offer and just drafting. Not sure I am getting enough value for the pick.
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I am interested in trading back up.
I will trade my pick which is on the clock now in the right trade. Just P.M. what you were thinking about.
I replied, but I am not sure if the site is loading right for me at the moment.
pondering your offer and just drafting. Not sure I am getting enough value for the pick.
OK
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I've decided to keep my pick and get a HOF center to pair with Dr. J.
With their second selection the Philadelphia 76ers select Hall of Famer, Bob Lanier.
At 6'11", 250 lbs+, Lanier has the big time size required to handle the top tier centers of the league. During the 73-74 season Lanier finished 3rd in MVP after sporting a season of 22.5 p, 13.3 r, 4.2 a, 3.0 b, and 1.2 s while shooting over 50% from the field and nearly 80% from the line. In the playoffs, he upped his scoring to 26.3 and rebounds to 15.3 and was still just as efficient.
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So far I have yet to see anyone picked that shouldn't have been picked. Excellent job guys.
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I've decided to keep my pick and get a HOF center to pair with Dr. J.
With their second selection the Philadelphia 76ers select Hall of Famer, Bob Lanier.
At 6'11", 250 lbs+, Lanier has big time size. During the 73-74 season Lanier finished 3rd in MVP after sporting a season of 22.5 p, 13.3 r, 4.2 a, 3.0 b, and 1.2 s while shooting over 50% from the field and nearly 80% from the line. In the playoffs, he upped his scoring to 26.3 and rebounds to 15.3 and was still just as efficient.
Dang, I was starting to get hopeful Lanier would fall to me. Nice one, strong pick.
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With their 2nd round pick, the Milwaukee Bucks select: James Worthy
(http://www.allstarincagency.com/images/news-photos/jamesworthy_201107221000.jpg)
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Drat.
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Still willing to trade up.
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Not the direction I was intending on going in but I am going to go with Bernard King.
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Not the direction I was intending on going in but I am going to go with Bernard King.
He was the guy I was strongly considering if Worthy didn't last as long as he did.
Nice pick. The idea of him & Magic is pretty sweet.
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Not the direction I was intending on going in but I am going to go with Bernard King.
He was the guy I was strongly considering if Worthy didn't last as long as he did.
Nice pick. The idea of him & Magic is pretty sweet.
Thank you.
He was one of the guys on my radar that I'm debating to pick, but not leaning heavy towards him. Thank you Who for saving me the trouble of over thinking.
Great pick for you BTW.
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Not the direction I was intending on going in but I am going to go with Bernard King.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooop
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Anyone know who has been taken this round?
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Anyone know who has been taken this round?
Bernard King
James Worthy
Bob Lanier
Dennis Johnson
Robert Parish
Alex English
Dominique Wilkins
Nate Archibald
Artis Gilmore
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Anyone know who has been taken this round?
Bernard King
James Worthy
Bob Lanier
Dennis Johnson
Robert Parish
Alex English
Dominique Wilkins
Nate Archibald
Artis Gilmore
Thanks. TP.
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I am willing to move up for the next 20 minutes. Then I have to go teach someone.
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Going with Adrian Dantley here.
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Going with Adrian Dantley here.
Very good!
I was going to pick him, but man, a scorer like no other.
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Going with Adrian Dantley here.
Very good!
I was going to pick him, but man, a scorer like no other.
Was on my radar too.
2.12 is up for grabs. PM me offers if interested.
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I've decided to keep my pick and get a HOF center to pair with Dr. J.
With their second selection the Philadelphia 76ers select Hall of Famer, Bob Lanier.
At 6'11", 250 lbs+, Lanier has the big time size required to handle the top tier centers of the league. During the 73-74 season Lanier finished 3rd in MVP after sporting a season of 22.5 p, 13.3 r, 4.2 a, 3.0 b, and 1.2 s while shooting over 50% from the field and nearly 80% from the line. In the playoffs, he upped his scoring to 26.3 and rebounds to 15.3 and was still just as efficient.
Just got your PM. You made the right choice, I think.
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With the second selection for the Los Angeles in the 2013 CB Historical Draft, the Lakers select probably one of the most underrated players in NBA history. 2 time DPOY, multiple time All-NBA 2nd team and All-NBA Defense (1st and 2nd).
We'll select his 1983-84 season where he won his 2nd DPOY.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1982/0222_large.jpg)
Sidney Moncrief
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DJ, Worthy, King, Dantley, and Moncrief were all on our list.
Rough.
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Moncrief was the guy I was thinking about pairing up with Magic.
I thought that would've been a pretty great backcourt.
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Talking Trades with a few teams.
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I love the Moncrief selection, too. There's a guy that is criminally underrated. That 1983 season ranks right up there with the best performances of the 80s.
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Moncrief was the guy I was thinking about pairing up with Magic.
I thought that would've been a pretty great backcourt.
That would've been a filthy backcourt. Wow.
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Moncrief was the guy I was thinking about pairing up with Magic.
I thought that would've been a pretty great backcourt.
That would've been a filthy backcourt. Wow.
Didn't you draft Moncrief in one of these drafts where you had Magic? I remember that you really like both players, anyway.
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Moncrief was the guy I was thinking about pairing up with Magic.
I thought that would've been a pretty great backcourt.
That would've been a filthy backcourt. Wow.
Didn't you draft Moncrief in one of these drafts where you had Magic? I remember that you really like both players, anyway.
I've definitely had both at one time or another in these drafts. I'd have to go back and check if it was in the same year.
Moncrief & King are two guys that I absolutely love and have talked up numerous times on the blog in the past.
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I've decided to keep my pick and get a HOF center to pair with Dr. J.
With their second selection the Philadelphia 76ers select Hall of Famer, Bob Lanier.
At 6'11", 250 lbs+, Lanier has the big time size required to handle the top tier centers of the league. During the 73-74 season Lanier finished 3rd in MVP after sporting a season of 22.5 p, 13.3 r, 4.2 a, 3.0 b, and 1.2 s while shooting over 50% from the field and nearly 80% from the line. In the playoffs, he upped his scoring to 26.3 and rebounds to 15.3 and was still just as efficient.
Just got your PM. You made the right choice, I think.
not a problem. Given you were a panelist I wasn't sure if you would have responded any way.
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Worthy, DJ, Moncrief, English all gone off our board. AB and I are going to be sending a lot of other GMs Celine Dion and Justin Bieber and I don't mean the CDs. We'll send them to sing outside your window.
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Moncrief was the guy I was thinking about pairing up with Magic.
I thought that would've been a pretty great backcourt.
That would've been a filthy backcourt. Wow.
Didn't you draft Moncrief in one of these drafts where you had Magic? I remember that you really like both players, anyway.
I've definitely had both at one time or another in these drafts. I'd have to go back and check if it was in the same year.
Moncrief & King are two guys that I absolutely love and have talked up numerous times on the blog in the past.
Went back & checked. Evidently, I've never had Moncrief on a team. My '10 team had Magic but Mitch Richmond was his backcourt running mate with a frontcourt of 'Nique, Kemp, & Ewing.
That's by far the filthiest team I've ever constructed here. Rondo & Manu were coming off the bench for me among others.
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Worthy, DJ, Moncrief, English all gone off our board. AB and I are going to be sending a lot of other GMs Celine Dion and Justin Bieber and I don't mean the CDs. We'll send them to sing outside your window.
I'd take Bryan Adams instead, thanks.
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Worthy, DJ, Moncrief, English all gone off our board. AB and I are going to be sending a lot of other GMs Celine Dion and Justin Bieber and I don't mean the CDs. We'll send them to sing outside your window.
May the wrath of the Biebs descend upon you all.
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Not sure how I feel about building around seek and DJ, pm me an offer if either of them piques your interest.
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Not sure how I feel about building around seek and DJ, pm me an offer if either of them piques your interest.
Check your PM
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I think the Lakers are front runners to win this year, don't you?
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I think the Lakers are front runners to win this year, don't you?
I don't know, don't sleep on Washington.
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Trades fell through. I will be making my pick soon.
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I think the Lakers are front runners to win this year, don't you?
I don't know, don't sleep on Washington.
We have great hair
(http://i.imgur.com/U3y9L5F.png)
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Big board and Eligible Players Board are updated and just waiting on a selection from Kane.
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I think the Lakers are front runners to win this year, don't you?
I don't know, don't sleep on Washington.
We have great hair
(http://i.imgur.com/U3y9L5F.png)
We are not far behind.
(http://sports.mearsonlineauctions.com/ItemImages/000057/57381d_lg.jpeg)
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Washington Criteria:
1. Great Player
2. Awesome Hair
I'm rocking the muttonchop sideburns myself, while I type here in my flaired bell bottom jeans.
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Joining Larry Bird in NY will be, another Hall of Famer:
Dan Issel
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/dan-issel/dan-issel-608.jpg)
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Washington Criteria:
1. Great Player
2. Awesome Hair
I'm rocking the muttonchop sideburns myself, while I type here in my flaired bell bottom jeans.
(http://paxholley.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/jackie_moon.jpg)
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Joining Larry Bird in NY will be, another Hall of Famer:
Dan Issel
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/dan-issel/dan-issel-608.jpg)
Kane has corned the market on guys people thought too white, too slow, and too nonathletic to be a star in the NBA and were pathetically wrong.
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Joining Larry Bird in NY will be, another Hall of Famer:
Dan Issel
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/dan-issel/dan-issel-608.jpg)
Kane has corned the market on guys people thought too white, too slow, and too nonathletic to be a star in the NBA and were pathetically wrong.
that is hilarious.
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My favorite 2 player team as of right now is the Lakers with Kareem/Moncrief
Intrigued by Denver (Isiah/DJ) as most other teams went after forwards and centers, while they already put together a complete backcourt, and I like it the way it fits together and who they could still grab for their front court to make it all really work.
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My favorite 2 player team as of right now is the Lakers with Kareem/Moncrief
Intrigued by Denver (Isiah/DJ) as most other teams went after forwards and centers, while they already put together a complete backcourt, and I like it the way it fits together and who they could still grab for their front court to make it all really work.
To me, the real talent in this era is at the top of the list of great big men. The big men of this era were all-time dominant big men. I really think to make the best teams in this format, you have to start from the inside out. I love the Isiah/Moncrief pairing but am afraid no matter who they put with those guys, those bigs are not going to be able to handle the Kareems, Gilmores, Cowens, Waltons, Parishs and McHales of this era.
Today's game is built differently than that era's was. The best of the best talent is at PG and the wing and the league plays small. You can't build a team in this year's format based around the best players you have being guards. You will be dominated.
But we will see who Denver adds.
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Favorite combos thus far in no particular order:
Lakers
Kings
Bucks
Bullets
Knicks
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Thought everyone had a good day. No headscratchers. Everyone drafted seemed to within the realm of 2nd round value.
I like some combos better than others but, besides that, a good day for drafting.
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My favorite 2 player team as of right now is the Lakers with Kareem/Moncrief
Intrigued by Denver (Isiah/DJ) as most other teams went after forwards and centers, while they already put together a complete backcourt, and I like it the way it fits together and who they could still grab for their front court to make it all really work.
To me, the real talent in this era is at the top of the list of great big men. The big men of this era were all-time dominant big men. I really think to make the best teams in this format, you have to start from the inside out. I love the Isiah/Moncrief pairing but am afraid no matter who they put with those guys, those bigs are not going to be able to handle the Kareems, Gilmores, Cowens, Waltons, Parishs and McHales of this era.
Today's game is built differently than that era's was. The best of the best talent is at PG and the wing and the league plays small. You can't build a team in this year's format based around the best players you have being guards. You will be dominated.
But we will see who Denver adds.
I disagree in that you need a "dominate" big to win here. There are also several quality bigs left on the board IMO who will be able to hold their own against those guys. Just like the Kareems, Gilmores, Cowens, Waltons, Parishs and McHales didn't steamroll their way to a championship every year, and actually lost playoff series to teams without "dominate" bigs on occassion, I think the same could happen here if a team is constructed right.
I think there's a lack of quality guards though.
Though I'm not saying I have Denver as a favorite, just interesting that they built outside-in. I still think they have as good a chance as just about everybody else.
Oh well, sucks for Denver that you're on the panel, and I'm just an observer ;D
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Favorite combos thus far in no particular order:
Lakers
Kings
Bucks
Bullets
Knicks
hater
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What are the requirements for the coaches' round? Anyone alive in 1982-83? Anyone coaching that year?
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I just want to point that Bob Lanier is the only player not named Kareem that meets or exceeds all of the following numbers in the same season
22 points
13 rebounds
4 assists
3 blocks
1.4 steals
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Can I just name my third guy? Lol
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Can I just name my third guy? Lol
If you have first pick 3rd round and everyone has picked from second round i dont see any harm
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Thought everyone had a good day. No headscratchers. Everyone drafted seemed to within the realm of 2nd round value.
I like some combos better than others but, besides that, a good day for drafting.
Absolutely agree. I don't think there was a bad choice made today.
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Washington Criteria:
1. Great Player
2. Awesome Hair
I'm rocking the muttonchop sideburns myself, while I type here in my flaired bell bottom jeans.
(http://paxholley.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/jackie_moon.jpg)
Wdleehi, where did you get my picture from?
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finally have a chance to check in...
I like the Kareem/Moncrief start in LA. Two soft spoken solid leaders. I think adding a bit of charisma is needed, but Kareem at his prime is a tough one to top in the middle.
I was never a big Issel fan, but Larry should be able to keep him scoring at will in NY. And Larry is Larry.
The Gervin / English tandem has my early lead for most entertaining in San Diego.
But if you were to force me to choose best base after the first two rounds I'd have to go with Magic & Bernard King in KC. There are just so many ways you could build around those two. Magic gives you so much flexibility.
All in all, lots of fun ideas to work with.
I like the Artis Gilmore pick (I think maybe the most underrated center ever), but I wonder if he would have been there a little later due to that underratedness.
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Kane, I am assuming your pick to start the 3rd round will be Kiki Vandeweghe? ;D
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I like the Artis Gilmore pick (I think maybe the most underrated center ever), but I wonder if he would have been there a little later due to that underratedness.
Our thinking on this was that he'd be great alongside McAdoo as an offense/defense tandem. He was the best big man available, and moving back a spot or two was going to be too difficult. Sure, Tiny may have been BPA, but our strategy all along was to build around the bigs.
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finally have a chance to check
I like the Artis Gilmore pick (I think maybe the most underrated center ever), but I wonder if he would have been there a little later due to that underratedness.
I had Gilmore in my sights.
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finally have a chance to check
I like the Artis Gilmore pick (I think maybe the most underrated center ever), but I wonder if he would have been there a little later due to that underratedness.
I had Gilmore in my sights.
He's so big, he's hard to keep out of your line of vision for too long. :)
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If you look at issel and the production he put up then it's not hard to see why I took him. Hes a hall of famer. Plus Bird and him will play great together. Both all out effort and heart all the time. It will set the tone for the culture of my team.
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If you look at issel and the production he put up then it's not hard to see why I took him. Hes a hall of famer. Plus Bird and him will play great together. Both all out effort and heart all the time. It will set the tone for the culture of my team.
Personal prejudice. He was a heck of a Player. He just always bugged me for some reason.
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Some talk about the DJ/zeke tandem. Once it became clear I wasn't going to get either of the bigs. I targeted a player I thout complimented Zeke. I agree bigs are important in this draft, but I think I can pick up some quality bigs in the coming rounds.
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If you look at issel and the production he put up then it's not hard to see why I took him. Hes a hall of famer. Plus Bird and him will play great together. Both all out effort and heart all the time. It will set the tone for the culture of my team.
Personal prejudice. He was a heck of a Player. He just always bugged me for some reason.
I understand. Hopefully not a majority thing lol.
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Looking to move up this round.
I have the 8th pick.
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Some talk about the DJ/zeke tandem. Once it became clear I wasn't going to get either of the bigs. I targeted a player I thout complimented Zeke. I agree bigs are important in this draft, but I think I can pick up some quality bigs in the coming rounds.
I think there's a lot of quality bigs left and the backcourt you have is probably going to be one of the best in the game. You know what though? There is one center left that led his team to a championship that I believe would be perfect fit for this team and pretty much erase any concerns I would have.
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The draft can start anytime anyone is ready.
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Kane doesn't seem to be online and didn't leave me a list, don't know if he left his pick with anyone else.
I hate to skip anyone but Kane is skipped.
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I wonder if we see a sudden rush of picks.
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Kane doesn't seem to be online and didn't leave me a list, don't know if he left his pick with anyone else.
I hate to skip anyone but Kane is skipped.
That means I'm up.
Well, he may be a reach but here it goes.
With the 3rd selection, Los Angeles selects Michael Cooper to bolster the defense, since scoring won't be a problem with the Lakers anyways.
(http://bballmatchup.com/images/michael_cooper.jpg)
"Yeah!"
We will select his 1986-87 season in which he won DPOY. Multiple DPOY's on this team, yeah!
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Nice one, Yoki.
I'm here - pick coming in a few min.
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Still willing to move up.
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Still willing to move up.
I may be willing to swap 3rds and 4ths with you. I am targeting a specific player. If he goes, I'd be willing to move back a couple of spots.
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I'm on clock until 1:00, right?
Still researching..
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Still willing to move up.
I may be willing to swap 3rds and 4ths with you. I am targeting a specific player. If he goes, I'd be willing to move back a couple of spots.
If my guy is still there (or someone higher up is interested in a trade)
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I'm on clock until 1:00, right?
Still researching..
Correct
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Kane doesn't seem to be online and didn't leave me a list, don't know if he left his pick with anyone else.
I hate to skip anyone but Kane is skipped.
That means I'm up.
Well, he may be a reach but here it goes.
With the 3rd selection, Los Angeles selects Michael Cooper to bolster the defense, since scoring won't be a problem with the Lakers anyways.
(http://bballmatchup.com/images/michael_cooper.jpg)
"Yeah!"
We will select his 1986-87 season in which he won DPOY. Multiple DPOY's on this team, yeah!
I picture Moncrief as more of a 2 guard, but I guess you're going to have him play the point with Cooper at the 2?
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Going with Mo Cheeks.
youtube clips, pics, etc - after I get home. ;D
A quiet, calming floor general, elite defender, big time player who raised his game during the playoffs.
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Going with Mo Cheeks.
youtube clips, pics, etc - after I get home. ;D
A quiet, calming floor general, elite defender, big time player who raised his game during the playoffs.
Good solid pick, though I figured he would go later in the 3rd or 4th. I had Cooper pegged as a mid to late 4th rounder. To each his own I guess.
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Phew. He is still there. Kansas takes Jack Sikma.
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Going with Mo Cheeks.
youtube clips, pics, etc - after I get home. ;D
A quiet, calming floor general, elite defender, big time player who raised his game during the playoffs.
Good solid pick, though I figured he would go later in the 3rd or 4th. I had Cooper pegged as a mid to late 4th rounder. To each his own I guess.
You are correct -
"To Each his own", you guess.
He's the best PG available.
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Going with Mo Cheeks.
youtube clips, pics, etc - after I get home. ;D
A quiet, calming floor general, elite defender, big time player who raised his game during the playoffs.
Good player... Really hoped to get him in the 4th
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Kane doesn't seem to be online and didn't leave me a list, don't know if he left his pick with anyone else.
I hate to skip anyone but Kane is skipped.
That means I'm up.
Well, he may be a reach but here it goes.
With the 3rd selection, Los Angeles selects Michael Cooper to bolster the defense, since scoring won't be a problem with the Lakers anyways.
(http://bballmatchup.com/images/michael_cooper.jpg)
"Yeah!"
We will select his 1986-87 season in which he won DPOY. Multiple DPOY's on this team, yeah!
I picture Moncrief as more of a 2 guard, but I guess you're going to have him play the point with Cooper at the 2?
Yes.
The offense runs around Kareem. I figured having Moncrief at PG should not be a problem.
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Phew. He is still there. Kansas takes Jack Sikma.
Sikma is a solid. Just a nice all around player from the center position.
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Going with Mo Cheeks.
youtube clips, pics, etc - after I get home. ;D
A quiet, calming floor general, elite defender, big time player who raised his game during the playoffs.
Good solid pick, though I figured he would go later in the 3rd or 4th. I had Cooper pegged as a mid to late 4th rounder. To each his own I guess.
You are correct -
"To Each his own", you guess.
He's the best PG available.
I think that is debatable. There are a couple of guys I would put in the same general range as Cheeks.
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is Dons around?
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is Dons around?
Yes he is.
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Miwaukee Bucks select: David Thompson
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Miwaukee Bucks select: David Thompson
Darn you.
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Miwaukee Bucks select: David Thompson
Darn you.
That was who I was going to take anyway.
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Miwaukee Bucks select: David Thompson
Darn you.
That was who I was going to take anyway.
And that is why I have been trying to move up all this time. Only NBA MVP left.
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Going with Mo Cheeks.
youtube clips, pics, etc - after I get home. ;D
A quiet, calming floor general, elite defender, big time player who raised his game during the playoffs.
Good solid pick, though I figured he would go later in the 3rd or 4th. I had Cooper pegged as a mid to late 4th rounder. To each his own I guess.
You are correct -
"To Each his own", you guess.
He's the best PG available.
I really like guys like Cheeks (and Worthy) in this format as you know they can successfully play with other superstars. That's a big part of the argument for building a successful team, at least to me. Better individual players still available, but I've felt in the past when I wait for a guy like him, he's always gone a round before I'd plan to take him.
Like if I was playing, and say I had an early first round pick. I'd try to grab 2 superstars first, then plan on taking Worthy with my early 3rd pick and hope for Cheeks with my late 4th. Ya that kind of planning never worked out for me.
Thought David Thompson would have been a 2nd round pick. Wondering how far he'd drop. That's a great pick up. Milwaekee is now one of my favorite teams.
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Since Thompson was stolen from me at the last minute, the Philadelphia 76ers will select PF - Spencer Haywood.
Still undecided between his ABA MVP season in 69-70 and his two best NBA seasons of 71-72 and 72-73
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Miwaukee Bucks select: David Thompson
Darn you.
That was who I was going to take anyway.
And that is why I have been trying to move up all this time. Only NBA MVP left.
David Thompson never won a MVP
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Going with Mo Cheeks.
youtube clips, pics, etc - after I get home. ;D
A quiet, calming floor general, elite defender, big time player who raised his game during the playoffs.
Good solid pick, though I figured he would go later in the 3rd or 4th. I had Cooper pegged as a mid to late 4th rounder. To each his own I guess.
You are correct -
"To Each his own", you guess.
He's the best PG available.
I really like guys like Cheeks (and Worthy) in this format as you know they can successfully play with other superstars. That's a big part of the argument for building a successful team, at least to me. Better individual players still available, but I've felt in the past when I wait for a guy like him, he's always gone a round before I'd plan to take him.
Like if I was playing, and say I had an early first round pick. I'd try to grab 2 superstars first, then plan on taking Worthy with my early 3rd pick and hope for Cheeks with my late 4th. Ya that kind of planning never worked out for me.
Thought David Thompson would have been a 2nd round pick. Wondering how far he'd drop. That's a great pick up. Milwaekee is now one of my favorite teams.
I was struggling between Thompson and Lanier in the 2nd round. I chose the big man and was amazed that Thompson was even a possibility so close to my 3rd round pick.
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Miwaukee Bucks select: David Thompson
Darn you.
That was who I was going to take anyway.
And that is why I have been trying to move up all this time. Only NBA MVP left.
David Thompson never won a MVP
Your right.
Two time NBA 1st team though.
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Denver selects Bill Laimbeer
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Miwaukee Bucks select: David Thompson
Darn you.
That was who I was going to take anyway.
And that is why I have been trying to move up all this time. Only NBA MVP left.
David Thompson never won a MVP
Your right.
Two time NBA 1st team though.
Yep and in the Hall of Fame. In the end I am happy with Haywood, but I did want Thompson as the back court is much thinner than the interior in this draft.
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Am I up?
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I will take Marques Johnson
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Since Thompson was stolen from me at the last minute, the Philadelphia 76ers will select PF - Spencer Haywood.
Still undecided between his ABA MVP season in 69-70 and his two best NBA seasons of 71-72 and 72-73
I didn't know how much Spencer Haywood love was on here (I remember people saying he wasn't HOF worthy), but I'm a fan. Maybe not HOF worthy, but definitely had some awesome years. He'll look good in between Dr. J and Lanier. Though if you had a Thompson-Erving-Haywood trio, you'd get bonus points for putting an All-ABA team on the floor.
Laimbeer is the perfect Center for Devner. Not a fan of the Cooper pick, but I think every other pick so far has been good or great.
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Kane mentioned to me that he was going to pick Fat Lever today, so if he hasn't been picked, that's his choice.
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I will take Marques Johnson
That's a solid pick. Was looking over his stuff yesterday.
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I will take Marques Johnson
That's a solid pick. Was looking over his stuff yesterday.
The first point forward.
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I will take Marques Johnson
That's a solid pick. Was looking over his stuff yesterday.
I was looking at him a while ago and heavily considered him. Great pick.
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For my pick I'm going to take a point guard to go along with my scorers, and someone who can help on defense.
Micheal Ray Richardson
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Kane mentioned to me that he was going to pick Fat Lever today, so if he hasn't been picked, that's his choice.
Thanks Roy. It was bugging me to have to skip the first pick of the round but I had no idea who he wanted to pick and didn't know how long he would be off line.
Lever is an excellent pick there.
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Kane mentioned to me that he was going to pick Fat Lever today, so if he hasn't been picked, that's his choice.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:( :( :(
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Since Thompson was stolen from me at the last minute, the Philadelphia 76ers will select PF - Spencer Haywood.
Still undecided between his ABA MVP season in 69-70 and his two best NBA seasons of 71-72 and 72-73
I didn't know how much Spencer Haywood love was on here (I remember people saying he wasn't HOF worthy), but I'm a fan. Maybe not HOF worthy, but definitely had some awesome years. He'll look good in between Dr. J and Lanier. Though if you had a Thompson-Erving-Haywood trio, you'd get bonus points for putting an All-ABA team on the floor.
Laimbeer is the perfect Center for Devner. Not a fan of the Cooper pick, but I think every other pick so far has been good or great.
Why not?
The Lakers is probably running as the Best Defensive team right about now because of him.
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I think the Cooper pick is a bit early but a good pick. Larry called him the best defensive player he ever played against. I just don't understand drafting a defensively dominant SG when you already have a defensively dominant SG.
I think Cheeks might have been a bit early but with Walton and Dantley, its an excellent "fit" pick. With the scoring machine Dantley you need someone to feed him the ball in his best areas and also 4 dominant defensive players. Cheeks fits that mold fabulously.
Cheeks might be the best defensive PG in this draft, at least an argument can be made that he is.
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Another solid pic fit is the Marques Johnson pick. Cowens, Parish and Johnson. Three tough sons of you know what. I bet those three win a gang fight against any of the other three combos put together so far.
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I think the Cooper pick is a bit early but a good pick. Larry called him the best defensive player he ever played against. I just don't understand drafting a defensively dominant SG when you already have a defensively dominant SG.
Well Moncrief will be playing PG, so the backcourt will be locked up by those two.
As for him being a reach, well, yeah he was. I have no argument there.
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Also, how sick are the Kings looking with Magic, Bernard King and Jack Sikma.
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Rough. Couldn't get on till now. Any idea whose hone so far?
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Kane mentioned to me that he was going to pick Fat Lever today, so if he hasn't been picked, that's his choice.
Whew. You saved me Roy! Thanks! Lots of tommy points!
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Rough. Couldn't get on till now. Any idea whose hone so far?
Roy said you were talking about Fat Lever so he made that pick for you. The front page is updated
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Another great trio:
Lever, Bird, Issel
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Gonna be talking things over with Rebus again. A lot of our guys went.
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Rough. Couldn't get on till now. Any idea whose hone so far?
Roy said you were talking about Fat Lever so he made that pick for you. The front page is updated
Yeah that's right. The 86-87 season when he almost averaged a triple double.
http://basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=LEVERLA01%20
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I also really liked the Micheal Ray Richardson pick. His 2nd year in New York he was brilliant. 15PPG, 10 APG, 6 RPG, 3 SPG shooting 47%.
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Kane mentioned to me that he was going to pick Fat Lever today, so if he hasn't been picked, that's his choice.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:( :( :(
I actually was dropping hints to rebus via pm last night that I'd be taking him. Mentioned had some Big O type stat lines. Had no idea you guys wanted him.
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Does anyone have any thoughts as to what years I should use for my players?
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Kane mentioned to me that he was going to pick Fat Lever today, so if he hasn't been picked, that's his choice.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:( :( :(
I actually was dropping hints to rebus via pm last night that I'd be taking him. Mentioned had some Big O type stat lines. Had no idea you guys wanted him.
He and Thompson were our ideal picks for 3.12 and 4.1. Wasn't meant to be.
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I didn't see Lever making it to the bottom of the third round.
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I can pick at 2:30 right?
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Rough. Couldn't get on till now. Any idea whose hone so far?
Roy said you were talking about Fat Lever so he made that pick for you. The front page is updated
Yeah that's right. The 86-87 season when he almost averaged a triple double.
http://basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=LEVERLA01%20
you're using the wrong website.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leverfa01.html
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Rough. Couldn't get on till now. Any idea whose hone so far?
Roy said you were talking about Fat Lever so he made that pick for you. The front page is updated
Yeah that's right. The 86-87 season when he almost averaged a triple double.
http://basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=LEVERLA01%20
you're using the wrong website.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leverfa01.html
Thanks. It must be because I'm on my phone or something..
TP
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prov is skipped. Rondo is up
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I'll take Truck Robinson
(http://nbahoopsonline.com/teams/UtahJazz/years/1974-1979/Pics/TruckRobinson.jpg)
22 points, 15.7 rpg, first team all NBA
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May I pick?
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May I pick?
You are up. Pick away.
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ELVIN HAYES
(http://www.halloffamememorabilia.com/images/products/p-341976-elvin-hayes-autographed-hand-signed-washington-bullets-8x10-photo-pose-1-silver-csa-ba6015.jpg)
27.5 ppg, 16.9 rpg 2 apg
Nate, "Tiny," Archibald
(http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/wp-content/uploads/2009/tiny.jpg)
34 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 11.4 apg
Truck Robinson
(http://img.fanbase.com/media.fanbase.com/8/15326/050974666c3d86b850d06a3578a6a4ba7f8b47a9.jpg?x=177&y=250&sig=6e2dfadcec3ec8fb3ccc221ad4d40845)
22 ppg, 15.7 rpg 2 apg
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Washington selects Jamaal Wilkes.
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(http://losthatsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/jamaal-wilkes.jpg)
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Sorry. Had a closing and was busy doing that and couldn't get away to get on here to pick. What do you I need to do?
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Washington selects Jamaal Wilkes.
Another solid pick for this round.
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Our board got killed today. Either AB and I are really smart or there's a Celticsblog think-alike going on.
Oh and we love Wilkes scoring, rebound, D and pedigree of winning.
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I will select Maurice Cheeks
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Washington selects Jamaal Wilkes.
Another solid pick for this round.
Yeah, another excellent round of selections overall. You guys are killing it in nailing the best of the best players in this era so far.
4th and 5th round I expect reaches to fill holes though.
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I will select Maurice Cheeks
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Already selected.
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Washington selects Jamaal Wilkes.
Another solid pick for this round.
Yeah, another excellent round of selections overall. You guys are killing it in nailing the best of the best players in this era so far.
4th and 5th round I expect reaches to fill holes though.
Might be time to get a roster page going?
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Washington selects Jamaal Wilkes.
Another solid pick for this round.
Yeah, another excellent round of selections overall. You guys are killing it in nailing the best of the best players in this era so far.
4th and 5th round I expect reaches to fill holes though.
Might be time to get a roster page going?
Tru dat. I will work on one while watching the Bruins tonight.
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I agree. I have been very impressed by the gming thus far.
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Rough. Couldn't get on till now. Any idea whose hone so far?
Roy said you were talking about Fat Lever so he made that pick for you. The front page is updated
Yeah that's right. The 86-87 season when he almost averaged a triple double.
http://basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=LEVERLA01%20
you're using the wrong website.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leverfa01.html
Thanks. It must be because I'm on my phone or something..
TP
No, I only know because I've made it before. The 'good' basketball reference is the one with the hyphen. The other one is worthless.
basketball-reference.com = good
basketballreference.com = bad
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(http://losthatsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/jamaal-wilkes.jpg)
Great pick. Most people forget about Wilkes because he was replaced by Worthy but it was Wilkes that was the #2 scoring option on those early Magic/Laker teams that won in the 80's. That and he was an excellent defender and high quality all around player and person. Very quiet guy too.
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Washington selects Jamaal Wilkes.
Another solid pick for this round.
Yeah, another excellent round of selections overall. You guys are killing it in nailing the best of the best players in this era so far.
4th and 5th round I expect reaches to fill holes though.
Might be time to get a roster page going?
Tru dat. I will work on one while watching the Bruins tonight.
Just a heads up the B's don't play until tomorrow night. Don't want you going crazy looking for the game.
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Washington selects Jamaal Wilkes.
Another solid pick for this round.
Yeah, another excellent round of selections overall. You guys are killing it in nailing the best of the best players in this era so far.
4th and 5th round I expect reaches to fill holes though.
Might be time to get a roster page going?
Tru dat. I will work on one while watching the Bruins tonight.
Just a heads up the B's don't play until tomorrow night. Don't want you going crazy looking for the game.
Thanks, Dons. I would have gone nuts searching the guide and then started screaming at the TV because my service provider had a different game on. LOL.
But I will get that rosters thread going tonight.
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Sorry didn't see Mo was selected. I will stick with the PG selection and go with Johnny Moore.
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Johnny Moore...the original Rajon Rondo.
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the run on little guards is a bit surprising to me. I had most of these guys pegged as 4th or 5th rounders. To each his own I guess.
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I agree. I have been very impressed by the gming thus far.
Not a lot of new comers are there?
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I agree. I have been very impressed by the gming thus far.
Not a lot of new comers are there?
For the most part, people have had a good grasp on what they're doing in this draft. I've been impressed. Nothing too insane or stupid yet.
Not having newcomers probably helps that too.
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After Day 3, Milwaukee, Denver, and Philly are my 3 favorite teams in no particular order.
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I will more than likely miss Friday. To whom should I send my list?
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I will more than likely miss Friday. To whom should I send my list?
Send it to me Moranis. I'll do it for you.
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I was thinking about the coaches round and I think what I am going to do is limit the coaches to any coach that coached professionally as a head coach between the years 1973 and 1993, since that pretty much the era we are drafting in. There must be at least 6-8 Hall of Fame coaches in there if not more so everyone should be able to get a darn fine coach.
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I was thinking about the coaches round and I think what I am going to do is limit the coaches to any coach that coached professionally as a head coach between the years 1973 and 1993, since that pretty much the era we are drafting in. There must be at least 6-8 Hall of Fame coaches in there if not more so everyone should be able to get a darn fine coach.
What about GM'ing during those years? ;D
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I think my favorite overall squad right now is the 76ers, followed by some combination of the Knicks, Kings, and Bucks.
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I think my favorite overall squad right now is the 76ers, followed by some combination of the Knicks, Kings, and Bucks.
There's been almost zero talk about Philly's team and when I did the Rosters Thread, I typed in the Philly roster and was wowed by how good it was.
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Washington feels overlooked. What are we the Don Nelson Bucks?/
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Nick/anyone else care if we just declare 4.1 now?
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Question: when you guys Re assembling the players, do the eras the players were dominant in have a significant bearing on who you select?
Example: Does a guy who was dominant pre-merger in the doped up 70's (say, Kareem, or Cowens) have a worse standing than a guy who was amazing but not necessarily dominant than a guy who was playing in the more competitive 80's, like Dr J or Dominique Wilkins?
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Question: when you guys Re assembling the players, do the eras the players were dominant in have a significant bearing on who you select?
Example: Does a guy who was dominant pre-merger in the doped up 70's (say, Kareem, or Cowens) have a worse standing than a guy who was amazing but not necessarily dominant than a guy who was playing in the more competitive 80's, like Dr J or Dominique Wilkins?
I know as a panelist I def look at ABA numbers with a jaundiced eye. As far as drugs, I think the cocaine era went from about 75 to 85, so I don't penalize players from the 70s that much. One thing I do look at is a teams record. There were a lot of players putting up monster scoring numbers on terrible teams in this era. Those players get taken down a peg or two in my book.
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I will more than likely miss Friday. To whom should I send my list?
Send it to me Moranis. I'll do it for you.
Thanks nick. I will send it tonight.
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Question: when you guys Re assembling the players, do the eras the players were dominant in have a significant bearing on who you select?
Example: Does a guy who was dominant pre-merger in the doped up 70's (say, Kareem, or Cowens) have a worse standing than a guy who was amazing but not necessarily dominant than a guy who was playing in the more competitive 80's, like Dr J or Dominique Wilkins?
I'll be looking at the era a little bit when making assessments.
Also, I'll be assuming that all players are playing under 1983 NBA rules.
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Question: when you guys Re assembling the players, do the eras the players were dominant in have a significant bearing on who you select?
Example: Does a guy who was dominant pre-merger in the doped up 70's (say, Kareem, or Cowens) have a worse standing than a guy who was amazing but not necessarily dominant than a guy who was playing in the more competitive 80's, like Dr J or Dominique Wilkins?
I'll be looking at the era a little bit when making assessments.
Also, I'll be assuming that all players are playing under 1983 NBA rules.
I've never been quite sure how Era should be involved in these. For example Shaq and Russel were equally dominant in their era's (Russel probably more dominant than shaq actually) but I don't think there is any scientific way a guy of Russel's stature could hold up against Shaq when both were in their prime.
Shaq was 4 inches taller and had over 100 pounds on Russel right?
As such, I have always just kinda considered dominance in the era and not held the era against a player. They can only beat who they play, much like boise state ;D
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If Russell had today's training and dietary info at his disposal, my guess is he'd be a bit thicker, kind of in an Alonzo Morning mold. Alonzo was never big for a center, but he's not someone that got pushed around in the paint. Now imagine someone Alonzo's size that could jump through the roof and run like a deer. That would be what a modern day Bill Russell would be like IMO.
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If Russell had today's training and dietary info at his disposal, my guess is he'd be a bit thicker, kind of in an Alonzo Morning mold. Alonzo was never big for a center, but he's not someone that got pushed around in the paint. Now imagine someone Alonzo's size that could jump through the roof and run like a deer. That would be what a modern day Bill Russell would be like IMO.
Thats kinda my point, that I compare players dominance in an era rather than how they would match up straight up.
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Question: when you guys Re assembling the players, do the eras the players were dominant in have a significant bearing on who you select?
Example: Does a guy who was dominant pre-merger in the doped up 70's (say, Kareem, or Cowens) have a worse standing than a guy who was amazing but not necessarily dominant than a guy who was playing in the more competitive 80's, like Dr J or Dominique Wilkins?
I'll be looking at the era a little bit when making assessments.
Also, I'll be assuming that all players are playing under 1983 NBA rules.
I've never been quite sure how Era should be involved in these. For example Shaq and Russel were equally dominant in their era's (Russel probably more dominant than shaq actually) but I don't think there is any scientific way a guy of Russel's stature could hold up against Shaq when both were in their prime.
Shaq was 4 inches taller and had over 100 pounds on Russel right?
As such, I have always just kinda considered dominance in the era and not held the era against a player. They can only beat who they play, much like boise state ;D
I don't exactly agree with this.
Russell played Wilt a guy almost as big as Shaq and definitely as strong if not stronger, and he played him a lot more regularly than Shaq played the best of the best centers. And Russell broke even or won most of those match ups. I also see that a guy like Ben Wallace, a guy the size of Russell, played Shaq tough once Wallace hit his defensive prime and contained him. Cowens also a small center gave Kareem absolute fits.
I think era can transfer if you are the best of the best.
I do however think both the NBA and the ABA were watered down leagues during their simultaneous existence. The ABA probably was watered down more but for the best of the best, if they were in the NBA during that period instead of the ABA, I really don't think their stats would have been effected that much because the NBA was watered down as well.
So I disagree with Roy in that sense and will probably judge the teams differently because of that.
And this is why when we do this we get a group of panelists. Judging is subjective.
BTW, I am not sure my panelist colleagues agree with me right now but the difference between the teams, as we stand RIGHT NOW, is so minimal as to not exist. The GMing has been superb and the teams are really that close in quality right now.
Its these next 3-5 rounds that I think will create the differences in the teams.
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Question: when you guys Re assembling the players, do the eras the players were dominant in have a significant bearing on who you select?
Example: Does a guy who was dominant pre-merger in the doped up 70's (say, Kareem, or Cowens) have a worse standing than a guy who was amazing but not necessarily dominant than a guy who was playing in the more competitive 80's, like Dr J or Dominique Wilkins?
I'll be looking at the era a little bit when making assessments.
Also, I'll be assuming that all players are playing under 1983 NBA rules.
I've never been quite sure how Era should be involved in these. For example Shaq and Russel were equally dominant in their era's (Russel probably more dominant than shaq actually) but I don't think there is any scientific way a guy of Russel's stature could hold up against Shaq when both were in their prime.
Shaq was 4 inches taller and had over 100 pounds on Russel right?
As such, I have always just kinda considered dominance in the era and not held the era against a player. They can only beat who they play, much like boise state ;D
I don't exactly agree with this.
Russell played Wilt a guy almost as big as Shaq and definitely as strong if not stronger, and he played him a lot more regularly than Shaq played the best of the best centers. And Russell broke even or won most of those match ups. I also see that a guy like Ben Wallace, a guy the size of Russell, played Shaq tough once Wallace hit his defensive prime and contained him. Cowens also a small center gave Kareem absolute fits.
I think era can transfer if you are the best of the best.
I do however think both the NBA and the ABA were watered down leagues during their simultaneous existence. The ABA probably was watered down more but for the best of the best, if they were in the NBA during that period instead of the ABA, I really don't think their stats would have been effected that much because the NBA was watered down as well.
So I disagree with Roy in that sense and will probably judge the teams differently because of that.
And this is why when we do this we get a group of panelists. Judging is subjective.
BTW, I am not sure my panelist colleagues agree with me right now but the difference between the teams, as we stand RIGHT NOW, is so minimal as to not exist. The GMing has been superb and the teams are really that close in quality right now.
Its these next 3-5 rounds that I think will create the differences in the teams.
Is it too much to ask for a definitive and objective stance on a subjective topic????
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Washington is going to add another fantastic player today just saying. ;D ;D
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Getting this in before work. So to kick off round 4, with the 4.1 Washington selects Walter Davis.
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The Bullets have been shooting me requests to pick their guy for about the last 12 hours and have finally convinced me to allow them to pull the trigger. Take your shot Bullets. You are on the clock and this draft is open.
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Thanks Nick for letting us pick and putting up with us. We're adding Walter Davis.
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The second pick is on the block im willing to move down but not out of this round
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Thanks Nick for letting us pick and putting up with us. We're adding Walter Davis.
interesting pick.
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I just realized tomorrow is two rounds. I guess I have to put together a 19 player list tonight to send to nick. Ugh.
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The second pick is on the block im willing to move down but not out of this round
Rondo gone shopping for the next three hours.
Gonna go take a nap then. ;D
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I just realized tomorrow is two rounds. I guess I have to put together a 19 player list tonight to send to nick. Ugh.
Moranis will be up tonight cramming...LOL.
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The second pick is on the block im willing to move down but not out of this round
Rondo gone shopping for the next three hours.
Gonna go take a nap then. ;D
You know me, even if I trade the pick I won't take the full time
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I just realized tomorrow is two rounds. I guess I have to put together a 19 player list tonight to send to nick. Ugh.
Moaris will be up tonight cramming...LOL.
Yep. I do have a good start, though I expect most of that start to be drafted today.
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The second pick is on the block im willing to move down but not out of this round
Rondo gone shopping for the next three hours.
Gonna go take a nap then. ;D
You know me, even if I trade the pick I won't take the full time
I am not interested in moving up so you can cross me off of your potential trading partners.
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The second pick is on the block im willing to move down but not out of this round
Rondo gone shopping for the next three hours.
Gonna go take a nap then. ;D
You know me, even if I trade the pick I won't take the full time
I am not interested in moving up so you can cross me off of your potential trading partners.
There is no list...
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I am happy to wait in my spot.
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Meh im just gonna pick. I'll take Bobby Jones
(http://www.nba.com/sixers/photos/six_110718_jones_670.jpg)
8 time NBA first team defense
4 time all star
6th man of the year
champion
Career TS% of .604
Longtime Teamate Julius Irving said,
He’s a player who’s totally selfless, who runs like a deer, jumps like a gazelle, plays with his head and heart each night,
Probably the ultimate team player of the 70's 80's
Bobby Jones: an average name for maybe the best defensive small forward of all-time. The only real competition for the honor is Scottie Pippen and Tom “Satch” Sanders. But during Jones’s playing days, he was certainly the best. Possessing a wiry, yet toned 6’9″ frame, Jones had the perfect height, length, speed and, above all, desire to frustrate and dominate his opponents.
Honorable Mention on Fox Sports top 10 SF's of all time
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-small-forwards-in-NBA-history#tab=photo-title=No+small+feat&photo=31271517
On Basketball Reference's top 10 Small forward list of all time
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1790
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Dang. I love Bobby Jones. Excellent pick.
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Meh im just gonna pick. I'll take Bobby Jones
(http://www.nba.com/sixers/photos/six_110718_jones_670.jpg)
8 time NBA first team defense
4 time all star
6th man of the year
champion
Career TS% of .604
Longtime Teamate Julius Irving said,
He’s a player who’s totally selfless, who runs like a deer, jumps like a gazelle, plays with his head and heart each night,
Probably the ultimate team player of the 70's 80's
Bobby Jones: an average name for maybe the best defensive small forward of all-time. The only real competition for the honor is Scottie Pippen and Tom “Satch” Sanders. But during Jones’s playing days, he was certainly the best. Possessing a wiry, yet toned 6’9″ frame, Jones had the perfect height, length, speed and, above all, desire to frustrate and dominate his opponents.
Honorable Mention on Fox Sports top 10 SF's of all time
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-small-forwards-in-NBA-history#tab=photo-title=No+small+feat&photo=31271517
On Basketball Reference's top 10 Small forward list of all time
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1790
Strange...I always remember Bobby Jones playing the PF position.
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Meh im just gonna pick. I'll take Bobby Jones
(http://www.nba.com/sixers/photos/six_110718_jones_670.jpg)
8 time NBA first team defense
4 time all star
6th man of the year
champion
Career TS% of .604
Longtime Teamate Julius Irving said,
He’s a player who’s totally selfless, who runs like a deer, jumps like a gazelle, plays with his head and heart each night,
Probably the ultimate team player of the 70's 80's
Bobby Jones: an average name for maybe the best defensive small forward of all-time. The only real competition for the honor is Scottie Pippen and Tom “Satch” Sanders. But during Jones’s playing days, he was certainly the best. Possessing a wiry, yet toned 6’9″ frame, Jones had the perfect height, length, speed and, above all, desire to frustrate and dominate his opponents.
Honorable Mention on Fox Sports top 10 SF's of all time
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-small-forwards-in-NBA-history#tab=photo-title=No+small+feat&photo=31271517
On Basketball Reference's top 10 Small forward list of all time
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1790
Strange...I always remember Bobby Jones playing the PF position.
I think they played him out of position because he was on the same team as Dr. J, much like Jeff Green with kevin durant. But if you look at all the NBA all defense teams he is there as the SF. (IE, the other players are pg, sg, pf, C)
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Meh im just gonna pick. I'll take Bobby Jones
8 time NBA first team defense
4 time all star
6th man of the year
champion
Career TS% of .604
Longtime Teamate Julius Irving said,
He’s a player who’s totally selfless, who runs like a deer, jumps like a gazelle, plays with his head and heart each night,
Probably the ultimate team player of the 70's 80's
Bobby Jones: an average name for maybe the best defensive small forward of all-time. The only real competition for the honor is Scottie Pippen and Tom “Satch” Sanders. But during Jones’s playing days, he was certainly the best. Possessing a wiry, yet toned 6’9″ frame, Jones had the perfect height, length, speed and, above all, desire to frustrate and dominate his opponents.
Honorable Mention on Fox Sports top 10 SF's of all time
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-small-forwards-in-NBA-history#tab=photo-title=No+small+feat&photo=31271517
On Basketball Reference's top 10 Small forward list of all time
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1790
Strange...I always remember Bobby Jones playing the PF position.
I think they played him out of position because he was on the same team as Dr. J, much like Jeff Green with kevin durant. But if you look at all the NBA all defense teams he is there as the SF. (IE, the other players are pg, sg, pf, C)
Bobby Jones played the four in Denver as well where he was one of the top ten players in the league at that time.
A lot like Kirilenko in my mind. A combo forward. The skill-set of a big forward but the body of a quick forward. Tough enough and quick enough to play both. Quicker than Kirilenko. Much better defender on the perimeter than AK-47. Very disruptive as help defender at PF spot like AK-47 is.
Terrific glue guy. Makes everything work better around him.
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Meh im just gonna pick. I'll take Bobby Jones
8 time NBA first team defense
4 time all star
6th man of the year
champion
Career TS% of .604
Longtime Teamate Julius Irving said,
He’s a player who’s totally selfless, who runs like a deer, jumps like a gazelle, plays with his head and heart each night,
Probably the ultimate team player of the 70's 80's
Bobby Jones: an average name for maybe the best defensive small forward of all-time. The only real competition for the honor is Scottie Pippen and Tom “Satch” Sanders. But during Jones’s playing days, he was certainly the best. Possessing a wiry, yet toned 6’9″ frame, Jones had the perfect height, length, speed and, above all, desire to frustrate and dominate his opponents.
Honorable Mention on Fox Sports top 10 SF's of all time
On Basketball Reference's top 10 Small forward list of all time
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1790
Strange...I always remember Bobby Jones playing the PF position.
I think they played him out of position because he was on the same team as Dr. J, much like Jeff Green with kevin durant. But if you look at all the NBA all defense teams he is there as the SF. (IE, the other players are pg, sg, pf, C)
Bobby Jones played the four in Denver as well where B.Jones was one of the top ten players in the league at that time.
A lot like Kirilenko in my mind. A combo forward. The skill-set of a big forward but the body of a quick forward. Tough enough and quick enough to play both. Quicker than Kirilenko. Much better defender on the perimeter than AK-47. Very disruptive as help defender at PF spot like AK-47 is.
Terrific glue guy. Makes everything work better around him.
Exactly, I was looking for a guy that I could put against some of the other excellent offensive players I would go against.
I also couldnt believe the shooting percentages the guy put up. Pretty unreal. 15-20 ppg in this draft isnt terrific but when you consider it came on something like 58% fg shooting it makes you do a double take
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A few things on Walter Davis...
2-time All-NBA 2nd team
6-time All Star
77-78 Rookie of the Year
Selected season: 78-79
23.6ppg, .561fg%, 4.7reb, 4.3ast, 1.9stl
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I will select the rim protector, Mark Eaton
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certainly had Jones and Eaton on my list though I didn't expect either to go this early. I think they are excellent players for the very specific role of defense, and for me it seemed a bit too early to take that specialized of a position. I see both of them as 6th man type players not starters, and the early 4th round just seems to high to me. All of that said, great glue guys who can either lock down opposing players or guard the rim and there is real value in that. Also, Bobby Jones was a pretty efficient scorer a few years and I've had him in these leagues before and liked his versatility.
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certainly had Jones and Eaton on my list though I didn't expect either to go this early. I think they are excellent players for the very specific role of defense, and for me it seemed a bit too early to take that specialized of a position. I see both of them as 6th man type players not starters, and the early 4th round just seems to high to me. All of that said, great glue guys who can either lock down opposing players or guard the rim and there is real value in that. Also, Bobby Jones was a pretty efficient scorer a few years and I've had him in these leagues before and liked his versatility.
Agreed, though for better or for worse in these drafts I have always highly valued glue guys. Im one that believes a team of superstars all used to being #1 options won't work. It has helped me in some drafts and hurt me in others.
For instance I used Detlef Schrempf as my 6th man in the all time draft because he was actually a 6th man. (and a [dang] good one)Other people just had hall of famers who I don't think would have adjusted well to coming of the bench. But I digress.
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Aw shucks Rondo took Bobby Jones.
Excellent pick.
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I will select the rim protector, Mark Eaton
nooooooooooo
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I will select the rim protector, Mark Eaton
nooooooooooo
time to rethink your pick, huh?
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Was ONE pick away from getting my man mark Eaton but instead have to settle for another beast of a rim protector
Tree Rollins
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I am lunching with the wife today. I should hopefully be back by 1:45, but may be a bit late. Please don't skip me unless I am past 2, thanks.
EDIT: I won't be leaving till like 1230 eastern, so I may be able to go before that if those people in front of me log on.
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Was ONE pick away from getting my man mark Eaton but instead have to settle for another beast of a rim protector
Tree Rollins
not the overall career of eaton, but his 82-83 season is about on par with any season eaton had. Still think it is too early for those type of picks though.
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I will select Gus Williams
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I will select Gus Williams
Love it. Great pick.
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Was ONE pick away from getting my man mark Eaton but instead have to settle for another beast of a rim protector
Tree Rollins
not the overall career of eaton, but his 82-83 season is about on par with any season eaton had. Still think it is too early for those type of picks though.
For me that one season makes it worth it, and I'm drafting him based on need for the team. Players like that may be gone before I pick again and I need a rim protector
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I will select Gus Williams
Great pick wdleehi.
Here's hoping he would fall for me. Since Bobby Jones was picked. He was 2nd on my board.
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was hoping KC would be on and pick before I went to lunch. Darn.
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I will select Gus Williams
Pick of the round so far.
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I will select Gus Williams
Pick of the round so far.
Gus Johnson is better
(http://cdn.wl.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/gus-johnson-soundmachine-1.jpg)
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I miss trade talk.
Proposed trades get TPs ;D
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Maurice Lucas.
Hard to find the leading scorer on a championship team who is also tough as nails at this point in the draft. Lot of great bigs in this draft, but none of them are going to like the physicality of Lambier/Lucas.
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Philadelphia will take the last remaining HOFer, PG - Calvin Murphy.
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Lost ability to get on line. Hope everything is going smoothly.
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I'm going to use 75-76 for Murphy. 21 ppg, 7.3 apg, 2.5 rpg, 1.8 spg, 49.3% from the field and 90.7% from the line.
Also, I've decided on 72-73 for Haywood. not his 30/20 ABA MVP year, but his second straight 1st Team All NBA in a year where he went for 29.3 ppg, 12.9 rpg, and 2.5 apg on 47.6% from the field and 83.9% from the line.
4 players thus far and the worst foul shooter is Bob Lanier at 79.7%, there will be no hack-a-shaq with my team.
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With their 4th round pick, the Milwaukee Bucks select: Norm Nixon
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With their 4th round pick, the Milwaukee Bucks select: Norm Nixon
Why must you guys take my guys???
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With their 4th round pick, the Milwaukee Bucks select: Norm Nixon
Why must you guys take my guys???
maybe its time you made a trade?
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With their 4th round pick, the Milwaukee Bucks select: Norm Nixon
Why must you guys take my guys???
maybe its time you made a trade?
To late now.
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I like Norm Nixon a lot. Considered him over Murphy, but ultimately felt the HOFer was the better pick.
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Kansas is going to take Larry Nance.
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With their 4th round pick, the Milwaukee Bucks select: Norm Nixon
Why must you guys take my guys???
maybe its time you made a trade?
Knowing my history of trades, i'd probably just cross my fingers and hope the 4th guy on my list drops.
edit. never mind. Who took it!
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Kansas is going to take Larry Nance.
What an awesome pick. Thought him 3rd round material.
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GF has been skipped. Yoki pick anytime
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I'm here..on the clock for 5 more min I thought
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I'm here..on the clock for 5 more min I thought
Nope. Your pick was due at 2:30
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Going with Buck Williams to shore up my frontline.
Efficient scorer, rebounder and elite defender - judging by his 6 All Defensive teams.
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Going with Buck Williams to shore up my frontline.
Efficient scorer, rebounder and elite defender - judging by his 6 All Defensive teams.
Nice. Real good fit alongside Bill Walton. Physical toughness.
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Lakers select Dan Roundfield to bolster front court defense.
Multiple time All-Star and All Defensive team, great value at the 4th round IMO.
We'll use his 79-80 season where he was an All-NBA 2nd team and All-Defensive 1st team.
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Kane wants to swap 5th and 6th rounders with me, he just doesn't know it yet.
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Some interesting picks. Liked Bobby Jones a lot. Like the Nance pick and the Gus Williams pick.
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Some interesting picks. Liked Bobby Jones a lot. Like the Nance pick and the Gus Williams pick.
I don't.
Those were my guys.
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Going with Buck Williams to shore up my frontline.
Efficient scorer, rebounder and elite defender - judging by his 6 All Defensive teams.
Nice. Real good fit alongside Bill Walton. Physical toughness.
Thanks, Who.
Judging by some comments, Bill Walton is brittle.
Had to get someone to hold our frontline together.
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Some pretty sick teams so far. No GMs pulling a Kahn or Billy Knight.
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I feel like I am out of my league.
I barely know any of the players left.... Part of the reason is the 1982-1983 season took place before I was born....
Anyway, I'm in it to learn something and have fun so the expectations of my team being a standout are minimal.
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I feel like I am out of my league.
I barely know any of the players left.... Part of the reason is the 1982-1983 season took place before I was born....
Anyway, I'm in it to learn something and have fun so the expectations of my team being a standout are minimal.
You're not alone on that boat. I still a have a few names I know but outside of that, I'll be basing everything on numbers.
But I'm getting to know a lot, really do. Had to ask my dad for some names and how they faired, to which he is complying, as long as I buy him Jack Daniels.
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I feel like I am out of my league.
I barely know any of the players left.... Part of the reason is the 1982-1983 season took place before I was born....
Anyway, I'm in it to learn something and have fun so the expectations of my team being a standout are minimal.
Ask advice of panelists
nickagneta
Roy H.
Redz
freshinthehouse
or someone not playing the game like bdm860 who has been following along.
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I feel like I am out of my league.
I barely know any of the players left.... Part of the reason is the 1982-1983 season took place before I was born....
Anyway, I'm in it to learn something and have fun so the expectations of my team being a standout are minimal.
Ask advice of panelists
nickagneta
Roy H.
Redz
freshinthehouse
or someone not playing the game like bdm860 who has been following along.
Don't worry dude, I liked the Mark Eaton pick for your team ;)
While it can be tough if you've never seen or read about the players from the era, stats are stats, but don't overlook the W/L column and playoff success either. If I didn't know who to go with, I'd look at what teams were good in this era (say early 70's to late 80's), who made the Finals, who won it all, who won 50-60 games? And look at who they had on their team. Also, I find wikipedia usually has good write ups on teams various era's. Like the New York Knicks have a section "Post-Championship years (1975–1985)", the Kings have a section "1976-1985: Bad Luck settles in" and I'm sure all the teams have similar sections. They can be good to read (especially for good teams) to get an idea of who was good at what, and who was a big part of the team's success (or failures). Just an idea.
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I feel like I am out of my league.
I barely know any of the players left.... Part of the reason is the 1982-1983 season took place before I was born....
Anyway, I'm in it to learn something and have fun so the expectations of my team being a standout are minimal.
Ask advice of panelists
nickagneta
Roy H.
Redz
freshinthehouse
or someone not playing the game like bdm860 who has been following along.
Don't worry dude, I liked the Mark Eaton pick for your team ;)
While it can be tough if you've never seen or read about the players from the era, stats are stats, but don't overlook the W/L column and playoff success either. If I didn't know who to go with, I'd look at what teams were good in this era (say early 70's to late 80's), who made the Finals, who won it all, who won 50-60 games? And look at who they had on their team. Also, I find wikipedia usually has good write ups on teams various era's. Like the New York Knicks have a section "Post-Championship years (1975–1985)", the Kings have a section "1976-1985: Bad Luck settles in" and I'm sure all the teams have similar sections. They can be good to read (especially for good teams) to get an idea of who was good at what, and who was a big part of the team's success (or failures). Just an idea.
Is it too selfish to ask for a feedback as well?
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Absolutely ask for feedback. I am waiting to see how the starting lineups shake out before giving my opinions publicly on where the teams stand in my eyes. I will give anyone feedback via PM and my guess is the other panelist will as well.
Also, here are a couple of good sites
http://www.basketball-reference.com/
Basketball-reference is great for looking up All-Star teams, All-NBA teams, All-Defense teams for any year and also checking out stats of every player. In the player index area they have fabulous tools for comparing players, how players fared against each other and how players shoot from specific areas of the floor.
http://www.nba.com/history/players/
http://www.nba.com/encyclopedia/
These sites at nba.com are awesome as they give you write ups about the greatest players in NBA history, the greatest teams and tons of other info you won't find in many places.
I know there are lots of others.
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did Kane pick yet?
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did Kane pick yet?
No.
If he doesn't some time tonight, I will poll the panelists for best available player and if we don't hear from Kane by tomorrow morning, that BPA will be assigned to his team, regardless of position or fit.
Kane is a regular. He will be here later.
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Oh and BDM, feel free to send feedback to AB and I on Washington.
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Yoki chose Dan Roundfield. I just haven't gotten around to updating the board or roster thread yet.
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looking thru here.....a lot of great teams thus far.
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Im amazed that ____________ hasnt been chosen definetly will bbe a solid pick come round 5, scorer rebounder passer overall great player
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Sent my list nick. I will try to log on on my phone so if you wait the full time that would be great, but otherwise I have no problem if you just go in order.
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did Kane pick yet?
No.
If he doesn't some time tonight, I will poll the panelists for best available player and if we don't hear from Kane by tomorrow morning, that BPA will be assigned to his team, regardless of position or fit.
Kane is a regular. He will be here later.
Thanks nick.
I'll take Daryl Dawkins. Assuming he's not gone. Like him with bird and issel will play PF.
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Rebus check your PM
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PG: Zeke
SG: DJ
SF:
PF: Maurice Lucas
C: Bill Lambier
Much like McDonals, I'm lovin' it.
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PG: Zeke
SG: DJ
SF:
PF: Maurice Lucas
C: Bill Lambier
Much like McDonals, I'm lovin' it.
Bunch of tough guys that is for sure. And I mean that mentally as well as physically. Just a bunch of MEN!!
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Does this league have reinforced backboards for Dawkins?
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Does this league have reinforced backboards for Dawkins?
Dawkins better worry about reinforcing the back of his own head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e3C-LQWF2s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e3C-LQWF2s)
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Rebus and I are looking to move up into the sixth. We are offering our 7.12 and 8.1 for a 6th and a 9th. PM us if you are interested.
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Rebus and I are looking to move up into the sixth. We are offering our 7.12 and 8.1 for a 6th and a 9th. PM us if you are interested.
We can also discuss throwing in a little more. Like late round pick swaps.
TPs for offers.
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Next week, Monday and Tuesday, I will be most likely unavailable to select because of testing.
Anyone out there interested in joining the team to run the Atlanta draft those days?
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I want to reiterate a rule since we might be entering an area where trades will occur:
Trades must be presented to the commissioner by both parties via personal message and announced by the commissioner before they are considered done.
Also, it would help me considerably if the PM confirming the trade comes form both teams in the form of:
Team A sends: Player A, Player B, 0.0(draft pick)
Team B sends: Player C, Player D, 13.13(draft pick)
Thank you.
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Opening things up.
Kane and the Knicks select World B Free
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Opening things up.
Kane and the Knicks select World B Free
So the 2 and the 3 is
Free
Bird
Heh.
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Gotta love the names of the players in this era. So far we have seen drafted
Magic
Tiny
Fat
Truck
Tree
World
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Kane adds to his lead for "most entertaining team".
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Nick. I am lingering on my phone at lunch.
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World B Free as a 5th round pick is an absolute steal, IMHO.
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Gotta love the names of the players in this era. So far we have seen drafted
Magic
Tiny
Fat
Truck
Tree
World
Great nicknames, too. "The Iceman". "Chocolate Thunder". Dr. J.
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We are starting early eh?
Well, the Lakers will select Don Buse to keep the defensive identity of the team.
Multiple time All-Defensive 1st team. We'll use his 1975-76 All Star season where he averaged 4 steals/game.
Moncrief moves back to SG with Buse on board.
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Nick. I am lingering on my phone at lunch.
I'll wait to the very last second to make your picks Moranis hoping you can do it.
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We are starting early eh?
Well, the Lakers will select Don Buse to keep the defensive identity of the team.
Multiple time All-Defensive 1st team. We'll use his 1975-76 All Star season where he averaged 4 steals/game.
Moncrief moves back to SG with Buse on board.
Are you thinking of Cooper as a SF or as a 6th man? or yet to decide?
That is a nasty perimeter defense.
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We are starting early eh?
Well, the Lakers will select Don Buse to keep the defensive identity of the team.
Multiple time All-Defensive 1st team. We'll use his 1975-76 All Star season where he averaged 4 steals/game.
Moncrief moves back to SG with Buse on board.
Love Buse. Very high on my list.
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We are starting early eh?
Well, the Lakers will select Don Buse to keep the defensive identity of the team.
Multiple time All-Defensive 1st team. We'll use his 1975-76 All Star season where he averaged 4 steals/game.
Moncrief moves back to SG with Buse on board.
Another PG people probably aren't familiar with, like Johnny Moore. Buse really keeps that defensive identity in the team and he will feed Kareem like crazy as he was a very good passer. Didn't he lead the league in assists once or twice?
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We are starting early eh?
Well, the Lakers will select Don Buse to keep the defensive identity of the team.
Multiple time All-Defensive 1st team. We'll use his 1975-76 All Star season where he averaged 4 steals/game.
Moncrief moves back to SG with Buse on board.
Are you thinking of Cooper as a SF or as a 6th man? or yet to decide?
That is a nasty perimeter defense.
For now, depends on who is left. I'm moving Cooper at SF. But I really want Michael Cooper coming off the bench and get a scoring/shooting 3.
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So we are waiting on GF who is up until 12:30.
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I'm here...give me about 10-15 min.
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Done lingering. Nick please draft for me. Thanks again. Much appreciated.
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Going with the versatile G-F from Milwaukee, Ricky Pierce.
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Done lingering. Nick please draft for me. Thanks again. Much appreciated.
No prob
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Kansas selects Andrew Toney.
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Kansas selects Andrew Toney.
Great pick. Washington loved him.
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I'm not sure there's a better overall team than Kansas City right now.
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Milwaukee selects: Terry Cummings
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Milwaukee selects: Terry Cummings
Awesome pick. Another in a line of great picks thus far this round. I had Cummings as a late 3rd rounder early 4th rounder myself.
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Moranis and Philadelphia select Mark Aguirre
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Moranis and Philadelphia select Mark Aguirre
Ok, now I need a minute.
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I'm not sure there's a better overall team than Kansas City right now.
Kansas City will will have to run through a brick wall known as Los Angeles.
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Great drafting everyone. Going down the list of our top choices :P
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Kiki Vandeweghe
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I am going to take Tom Chambers
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Some killer drafting. Taking Washington's guys.
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Rebus: check PMs. Urgent-ish.
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Also airbelinelli doesn't have access to his computer at the moment, so he asked me to send in his pick.
Larry Kenon
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Also airbelinelli doesn't have access to his computer at the moment, so he asked me to send in his pick.
Larry Kenon
Another guy Washington wanted. >:(
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Since Larry Bird is gone, the Boston Celtics select the other bird:
Otis Birdsong
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Since Larry Bird is gone, the Boston Celtics select the other bird:
Otis Birdsong
Gahhh I was soo close
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I am going to take Tom Chambers
Love this pick. Chambers in 1990 was an absolute beast. Something like 27 PPG, 8 RPG, 3 APG shooting over 50% and still had the ability to hit threes occasionally.
Oh and the man could jump through the roof.
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I'll take Rolando Blackman
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Anyone care if we send in both picks?
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Anyone care if we send in both picks?
Go right ahead
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With the 5.12 Washington selects Sleepy Floyd.
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Glad I got Mark Aguirre. Will fit in nicely and was my top pick of the round.
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I am going to take Tom Chambers
Love this pick. Chambers in 1990 was an absolute beast. Something like 27 PPG, 8 RPG, 3 APG shooting over 50% and still had the ability to hit threes occasionally.
Oh and the man could jump through the roof.
Not to mention he should be a good change of pace compared to Cowens and Parish.
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At 5.12, Washington finally picks their PG, Sleepy Floyd. His 19 ppg and 10 apg is great value at this point. Also an excellent 3pt shooter.
At 6.1, Washington selects the ideal sixth man, Paul Pressey. 14 ppg, 8 apg, 5 rpg, 2.1 spg, and a 3x All-Defensive selection. He can play the 1-3.
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Another great first name....and player....Sleepy Floyd
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I'll take a Bobby Dandridge as my 6th man
(http://vshfm.com/inductees/uploads/large/Dandridge-Robert_1.jpg)
Great defender with a versatile game
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Dandridge's last year was 81/82 according to basketball reference
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Pick again Rondo. Dandridge is not an eligible player
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Dandridge's last year was 81/82 according to basketball reference
His name is also not on the list Nick put on the first page.
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BTW, I am keeping up with the rosters in the Roster Thread. If I don't have a player where you want them, please let me know in that thread.
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Washington's new pg
(http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/10/43/73/2244293/5/628x471.jpg)
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Weird, for some reason I had convinced myself he was elligible, hold on
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I'll take Joe Barry Carroll
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I'll take Eddie Johnson (Edward Arnet Johnson) as my sixth man
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Also airbelinelli doesn't have access to his computer at the moment, so he asked me to send in his pick.
Larry Kenon
Did he leave a 2nd pick by chance?
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I'll take Paul Westphal
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Great timing air...and a heck of a pick
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I will take Phil Smith
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Yikes...no KC.
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Vinnie Johnson
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Nick do you have Moranis' pick?
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Moranis selects Mychal Thompson
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Moranis selects Mychal Thompson
Dang.
Nick, this was the guy we were targeting through the potential trade, so Rebus and I will unfortunately have to decline.
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For added nastiness, the Milwaukee Bucks select: Rick Mahorn
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Kansas City will add Cedric Maxwell to the mix.
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Pick coming up...almost forgot about two picks today.
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Adding Caldwell "Pops" Jones bolster the Center/PF spots.
He brings Two 1st team Defensive awards, and at 6'11" he adds quickness and length.
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I'll take Paul Westphal
Very good pick.
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Sorry but may I ask who is up?
Phone lost batteries and lost track of the board.
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Sorry but may I ask who is up?
Phone lost batteries and lost track of the board.
You're up.
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Oh Lord, I'll be underground with no signal for a few minutes.
Please skip me...
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Both Yoki and Kane can make their picks at any time but remember, please, by the end of the day. I don't really want to assign anyone but I don't really want people taking all weekend to select either.
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COACH'S ROUND NOW OPEN
Washington - Rebus/AB you are on the clock. Select at anytime. After making your selection, please send a PM to the next team alerting them that you have made your coaching selection and that they are now on the clock.
Everyone after Washington please do the same exact thing.
There's no rush. Just select any coach that coached professionally between 1973-1993. If that coach also happens to be an eligible player in the era, I think this doubtful but just in case, yes, you can select him even if someone else owns him in the draft as a player.
Have fun!!
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Nick, just to clarify, the person had to have been a COACH from 1973-93? They can't have been a GM?
I think you know who I'm hinting about.
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I don't know where I'm going with this but gut feeling tells me this is a good pick.
The Lakers select Kelly Tripucka to add a scoring punch in the team.
We'll use the 1982-83 season where he averaged 26 pts./4 rebs/4 assist per game.
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Nick, just to clarify, the person had to have been a COACH from 1973-93? They can't have been a GM?
I think you know who I'm hinting about.
A coach. No GM.
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I think the Lakers are front runners for best team, no?
We'll defend 'till you agree then...
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I think the Lakers are front runners for best team, no?
The Bullets say Hello and Bonjour.
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Mad props to nick for picking for me today. I gave him a list of 19 players, but apparently didn't have to go past #3 where I had Mychal Thompson.
For years on picks today.
Mark Aguirre 1986-87. 25.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.1 spg 49.5% from the field, 35.3% from three, and 77% from the line in just 33.3 mpg.
Mychal Thompson 1981-82. 20.8 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 4.0 apg, 1.4 bpg, .9 spg on 52.3% from the field and 62.8% from the line (the first bad foul shooter on the squad).
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Washington selects Phil Jackson as their coach, since Red is not eligable.
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Mad props to nick for picking for me today. I gave him a list of 19 players, but apparently didn't have to go past #3 where I had Mychal Thompson.
For years on picks today.
Mark Aguirre 1986-87. 25.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.1 spg 49.5% from the field, 35.3% from three, and 77% from the line in just 33.3 mpg.
Mychal Thompson 1981-82. 20.8 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 4.0 apg, 1.4 bpg, .9 spg on 52.3% from the field and 62.8% from the line (the first bad foul shooter on the squad).
I was really surprised to see Mark Aguirre last as long as he did.
Great pickup.
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Mad props to nick for picking for me today. I gave him a list of 19 players, but apparently didn't have to go past #3 where I had Mychal Thompson.
For years on picks today.
Mark Aguirre 1986-87. 25.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.1 spg 49.5% from the field, 35.3% from three, and 77% from the line in just 33.3 mpg.
Mychal Thompson 1981-82. 20.8 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 4.0 apg, 1.4 bpg, .9 spg on 52.3% from the field and 62.8% from the line (the first bad foul shooter on the squad).
Plus props for picking post-merger years.
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Mad props to nick for picking for me today. I gave him a list of 19 players, but apparently didn't have to go past #3 where I had Mychal Thompson.
For years on picks today.
Mark Aguirre 1986-87. 25.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.1 spg 49.5% from the field, 35.3% from three, and 77% from the line in just 33.3 mpg.
Mychal Thompson 1981-82. 20.8 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 4.0 apg, 1.4 bpg, .9 spg on 52.3% from the field and 62.8% from the line (the first bad foul shooter on the squad).
Plus props for picking post-merger years.
actually first two guys I used post merger years on. I may re-think that a bit before final announcements.
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I think the Lakers are front runners for best team, no?
The Bullets say Hello and Bonjour.
You're welcome to run in to the brick wall as much as you like, Washington.
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I will take Danny Ainge
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The Nuggets are proud to have won the "best team with a guy named Kiki" award.
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The Nuggets want to light the historical trade inferno. Every serious offer gets a tp.
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I will take Danny Ainge
Nice pick. Great shooter for the bench. I was hoping to get him in the next round.
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I will take Danny Ainge
Nice pick. Great shooter for the bench. I was hoping to get him in the next round.
Thanks. Tp
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Dallas selects pat Reilly as coach
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Nice coaching pick by Dallas
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Who's next?
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Who's next?
COACH'S ROUND
1 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Phil Jackson
2 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Pat Riley
3 Boston - prov1ml34: On The Clock
4 San Diego - airbelinelli
5 Atlanta - wdleehi
6 Denver - KCattheStripe
7 Philadelphia - Moranis:
8 Milwaukee - Donoghus
9 Kansas City - Who:
10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819
11 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName
12 New York - Kane3387
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Who's next?
COACH'S ROUND
1 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Phil Jackson
2 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Pat Riley
3 Boston - prov1ml34: On The Clock
4 San Diego - airbelinelli
5 Atlanta - wdleehi
6 Denver - KCattheStripe
7 Philadelphia - Moranis:
8 Milwaukee - Donoghus
9 Kansas City - Who:
10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819
11 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName
12 New York - Kane3387
Thanks
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Curious to see who uses the years most removed from 82-83 before and after.
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Great work so far, gents. There is some quality talent still out there. This next week should be fun.
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Washington is ready to rock rounds 7 and 8, just don't take our guys. Looking at you Yoki and KC.
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Washington is ready to rock rounds 7 and 8, just don't take our guys. Looking at you Yoki and KC.
Well. Keep looking. Not sure who I'm going to pick anyways.
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Washington is ready to rock rounds 7 and 8, just don't take our guys. Looking at you Yoki and KC.
Well. Keep looking. Not sure who I'm going to pick anyways.
We've got a 4 man list we really like.
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COACH'S ROUND
1 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Phil Jackson
2 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Pat Riley
3 Boston - prov1ml34: On The Clock
4 San Diego - airbelinelli
5 Atlanta - wdleehi
6 Denver - KCattheStripe
7 Philadelphia - Moranis:
8 Milwaukee - Donoghus
9 Kansas City - Who:
10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819
11 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName
12 New York - Kane3387
ROUND 7 Monday May 20
73-1 12:10 New York - Kane3387: On The Clock
74-2 12:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName
75-3 12:30 Seattle - GreenFaith1819
76-4 12:40 Kansas City - Who
77-5 12:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus
78-6 1:00 Philadelphia - Moranis
79-7 1:10 Denver - KCattheStripe
80-8 1:20 Atlanta - wdleehi
81-9 1:30 San Diego - airbelinelli
82-10 1:40 Boston - prov1ml34
83-11 1:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287
84-12 2:00 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic
ROUND 8 Monday May 20
85-1 2:40 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic
86-2 2:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287
87-3 3:00 Boston - prov1ml34
88-4 3:10 San Diego - airbelinelli
89-5 3:20 Atlanta - wdleehi
90-6 3:30 Denver - KCattheStripe
91-7 3:40 Philadelphia - Moranis
92-8 3:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus
93-9 4:00 Kansas City - Who
94-10 4:10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819
95-11 4:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName
96-12 4:30 New York - Kane3387
This is the status update on where we stand in the Coach's Round and what we have to get through today.
I'm opening this up for whenever anyone wants to start. So prov and the Celtics are On The Clock for a coaching selection and Kane and the Knicks are up for the start of the 7th round.
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Remember, send me a list if you feel you might have to miss any picks.
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Slow moving. Just 2 coaches picked on the weekend and no sign of Kane yet this morning (I know he has till 12, but I was hoping we could move along a bit faster). Oh well.
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Looks like Kane and NY are skipped and Yoki and LA are up
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Looks like Kane and NY are skipped and Yoki and LA are up
Alright.
The Lakers select M.L. Carr and his 78-79 season where he was an All NBA Defense 2nd team.
It will keep the tough defensive identity in the second unit with him and Cooper in the wings.
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Looks like Yoki and LA are skipped and prov and Boston are up.
Kane and Yoki can pick at anytime.
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Looks like Yoki and LA are skipped and prov and Boston are up.
Kane and Yoki can pick at anytime.
Looks like GF is up, not prov.
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My team is HOT!
Great defense, leadership and a ton of scoring options. They may not be the most entertaining, but they very well be the best team here.
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Looks like Yoki and LA are skipped and prov and Boston are up.
Kane and Yoki can pick at anytime.
Looks like GF is up, not prov.
My bad I was looking at the wrong round.
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Looks like Kane and NY are skipped and Yoki and LA are up
Alright.
The Lakers select M.L. Carr and his 78-79 season where he was an All NBA Defense 2nd team.
It will keep the tough defensive identity in the second unit with him and Cooper in the wings.
Question: Why ML Carr and why now? I think an argument can be made he wasn't even the best back up defensive SF that once played for the Celtics, never mind what other quality players were left.
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LA clearly going for nasty D. Assuming they are going for the strategy of we might not score much but you'll score even less.
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Looks like Kane and NY are skipped and Yoki and LA are up
Alright.
The Lakers select M.L. Carr and his 78-79 season where he was an All NBA Defense 2nd team.
It will keep the tough defensive identity in the second unit with him and Cooper in the wings.
Question: Why ML Carr and why now? I think an argument can be made he wasn't even the best back up defensive SF that once played for the Celtics, never mind what other quality players were left.
Honestly speaking, he's the first SF I saw while I was researching that fit the defensive theme of my team.
And while there are other players left that maybe better than him, I'm happy with the Carr pick. That 78-79 Detroit season, he averaged well scoring wise, shot 51%, played tough defense, and he's coming off the bench. What's not to love?
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GF and Seattle are skipped. Who and KC are now up Pick anytime GF
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Sweet!
Going with Mr. Lionel Hollins for backcourt duties.
A bit bigger than Mo Cheeks, he can help guard bigger backcourts.
Smart, Tough-nosed player, 1st team Defensive Team awardee, and All-Star.
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Kansas selects Marvin Webster.
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LA clearly going for nasty D. Assuming they are going for the strategy of we might not score much but you'll score even less.
Going for nasty D - True
Not score much but you'll score even less - False
The team has Kareem who's practically unstoppable. Moncrief can score at will. Both of them shares the ball and what better Third Scorer to share to than Kelly Tripucka who averaged 26 a game on 48% FG and 38% 3FG?
Not to mention Don Buse who can find these guys in their spots. Roundfield and Kareem will dominate the boards for more possesions, hence more shots.
And then there's the brick wall defense from the starters (outside of Globo Gym guy of course) and the bench, who can score as well. So teams will score less and be shot out of the gym by LA.
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When can we pick coaches? I have a few in mind...
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LA clearly going for nasty D. Assuming they are going for the strategy of we might not score much but you'll score even less.
Going for nasty D - True
Not score much but you'll score even less - False
The team has Kareem who's practically unstoppable. Moncrief can score at will. Both of them shares the ball and what better Third Scorer to share to than Kelly Tripucka who averaged 26 a game on 48% FG and 38% 3FG?
Not to mention Don Buse who can find these guys in their spots. Roundfield and Kareem will dominate the boards for more possesions, hence more shots.
And then there's the brick wall defense from the starters (outside of Globo Gym guy of course) and the bench, who can score as well.
I wouldn't say Kareem was unstoppable..Moses played him well, even in his prime, plus Bill Walton gave him some fits.
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Kansas selects Marvin Webster.
The Human Eraser, nice pick.
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LA clearly going for nasty D. Assuming they are going for the strategy of we might not score much but you'll score even less.
Going for nasty D - True
Not score much but you'll score even less - False
The team has Kareem who's practically unstoppable. Moncrief can score at will. Both of them shares the ball and what better Third Scorer to share to than Kelly Tripucka who averaged 26 a game on 48% FG and 38% 3FG?
Not to mention Don Buse who can find these guys in their spots. Roundfield and Kareem will dominate the boards for more possesions, hence more shots.
And then there's the brick wall defense from the starters (outside of Globo Gym guy of course) and the bench, who can score as well.
I wouldn't say Kareem was unstoppable..Moses played him well, even in his prime, plus Bill Walton gave him some fits.
34 points per game on 57% shooting. Maybe I am stretching it but, that's pretty close right?
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Milwaukee Bucks select: Calvin Natt
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Kansas selects Marvin Webster.
The Human Eraser, nice pick.
That really is a good pick. There's still a couple of centers left that had some great years.
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LA clearly going for nasty D. Assuming they are going for the strategy of we might not score much but you'll score even less.
Going for nasty D - True
Not score much but you'll score even less - False
The team has Kareem who's practically unstoppable. Moncrief can score at will. Both of them shares the ball and what better Third Scorer to share to than Kelly Tripucka who averaged 26 a game on 48% FG and 38% 3FG?
Not to mention Don Buse who can find these guys in their spots. Roundfield and Kareem will dominate the boards for more possesions, hence more shots.
And then there's the brick wall defense from the starters (outside of Globo Gym guy of course) and the bench, who can score as well.
I wouldn't say Kareem was unstoppable..Moses played him well, even in his prime, plus Bill Walton gave him some fits.
34 points per game on 57% shooting. Maybe I am stretching it but, that's pretty close right?
about right but that isn't that unique in this format either.
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Philadelphia will select SG/PG 6'7" Reggie Theus.
We will be using 1985-86. List as a SG according to bball-ref, though spent time that year as both the SG and PG (quite handy in this format). 18.3 ppg, 9.7 apg, 3.7 rpg, 1.4 spg on 48% from the field and 82.7% from the line.
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Philadelphia will select SG/PG 6'7" Reggie Theus.
We will be using 1985-86. List as a SG according to bball-ref, though spent time that year as both the SG and PG (quite handy in this format). 18.3 ppg, 9.7 apg, 3.7 rpg, 1.4 spg on 48% from the field and 82.7% from the line.
I hate you.
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Philadelphia will select SG/PG 6'7" Reggie Theus.
We will be using 1985-86. List as a SG according to bball-ref, though spent time that year as both the SG and PG (quite handy in this format). 18.3 ppg, 9.7 apg, 3.7 rpg, 1.4 spg on 48% from the field and 82.7% from the line.
I hate you.
You, sir, have stolen our last two picks.
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Clark Kellog
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If available I will take Alvin Robertson.
Whoops. Not eligible.
Stand by.
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If available I will take Alvin Robertson.
Whoops. Not eligible.
Stand by.
Not an eligible player. Pick again
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If available I will take Alvin Robertson.
Whoops. Not eligible.
Stand by.
Not an eligible player. Pick again
John lucas
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I will take Phil Ford
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I will take Phil Ford
Awesome pick
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air will be around shortly.
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Isiah Thomas
Dennis Johnson
Kiki Vanderweghe
Maurice Lucas
Bill Lambier
Vinne Johnson
Clark Kellog
All can be had.
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Are we still having to wait on coaches? Or do people get skipped there too?
Thanks.
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As a backup big and enforcer I'm going to take Alton Lister, most likely for his 86-87 season with the Sonics
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LA clearly going for nasty D. Assuming they are going for the strategy of we might not score much but you'll score even less.
Going for nasty D - True
Not score much but you'll score even less - False
The team has Kareem who's practically unstoppable. Moncrief can score at will. Both of them shares the ball and what better Third Scorer to share to than Kelly Tripucka who averaged 26 a game on 48% FG and 38% 3FG?
Not to mention Don Buse who can find these guys in their spots. Roundfield and Kareem will dominate the boards for more possesions, hence more shots.
And then there's the brick wall defense from the starters (outside of Globo Gym guy of course) and the bench, who can score as well.
I wouldn't say Kareem was unstoppable..Moses played him well, even in his prime, plus Bill Walton gave him some fits.
34 points per game on 57% shooting. Maybe I am stretching it but, that's pretty close right?
Well, I imagine Bill had to go through Kareem in some capacity in 76-77, right?
After all, that was Bill's / Portland's Championship season. Says a lot about Walton to get a Banner and Finals MVP while Kareem was in his prime.
As I check the Head-to-Head Finder, looks like Bill Walton's team was 3-2 vs Kareem in his championship year, too...
That's why I'm thankful I chose Walton...he was/is a very under-rated all-around Big Man that made his teams better.
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As a backup big and enforcer I'm going to take Alton Lister, most likely for his 86-87 season with the Sonics
AB is going to end your friendship over this pick, just an fyi.
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prov and Boston are skipped and he can pick anytime. Rondo is up
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Dallas will take Brian Winters
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Can Washington pick or do we have to wait until 1:50?
EDIT: I see prov is here now so we'll wait.
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I'll take Bill Cartwright
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Washington takes Jeff Ruland
22ppg 12 rpg 4 apg
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Washington takes Jeff Ruland
22ppg 12 rpg 4 apg
On 58% shooting I might add. Can play pf and c. Should make a nice rotation with Gilmore and McAdoo.
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Prov I need a coaching pick from you.
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Let's go with Chuck Daly
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With the 8.1, the Washington Bullets select guard Randy Smith.
(http://buffalonation.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/randy-smith-color-image1.jpg)
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LA clearly going for nasty D. Assuming they are going for the strategy of we might not score much but you'll score even less.
Going for nasty D - True
Not score much but you'll score even less - False
The team has Kareem who's practically unstoppable. Moncrief can score at will. Both of them shares the ball and what better Third Scorer to share to than Kelly Tripucka who averaged 26 a game on 48% FG and 38% 3FG?
Not to mention Don Buse who can find these guys in their spots. Roundfield and Kareem will dominate the boards for more possesions, hence more shots.
And then there's the brick wall defense from the starters (outside of Globo Gym guy of course) and the bench, who can score as well.
I wouldn't say Kareem was unstoppable..Moses played him well, even in his prime, plus Bill Walton gave him some fits.
34 points per game on 57% shooting. Maybe I am stretching it but, that's pretty close right?
Well, I imagine Bill had to go through Kareem in some capacity in 76-77, right?
After all, that was Bill's / Portland's Championship season. Says a lot about Walton to get a Banner and Finals MVP while Kareem was in his prime.
As I check the Head-to-Head Finder, looks like Bill Walton's team was 3-2 vs Kareem in his championship year, too...
That's why I'm thankful I chose Walton...he was/is a very under-rated all-around Big Man that made his teams better.
You mean the year Kareem averaged 34pts/17reb/4apg on 60% shooting in the Playoffs?
Sure Walton's team probably swept them, but it does prove the point that Kareem is nearly unstoppable. Now add Moncrief and the teams All Defense loaded roster. Best team, by far.
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With the 8.1, the Washington Bullets select guard Randy Smith.
(http://buffalonation.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/randy-smith-color-image1.jpg)
I liked him. He was very high on my list for this round.
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Guys I gotta cut out for a bit.
Rondo is up.
air is up in the coaching round so when he comes to pick, please air, a coaching selection, if you can.
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I'll take Kermit WashingtonAll star, 2nd team all defense, good backup PF
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For Coaching pick ill take Larry brown
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I'll take Kermit WashingtonAll star, 2nd team all defense, good backup PF
Not playing in 82/83
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/washike01.html
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I'll take Kermit WashingtonAll star, 2nd team all defense, good backup PF
Not playing in 82/83
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/washike01.html
He was on the first page list.
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Kermit also wasn't active in 82/83 according to basketball reference.
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Kermit also wasn't active in 82/83 according to basketball reference.
he was listed as eligible on the front page
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LA clearly going for nasty D. Assuming they are going for the strategy of we might not score much but you'll score even less.
Going for nasty D - True
Not score much but you'll score even less - False
The team has Kareem who's practically unstoppable. Moncrief can score at will. Both of them shares the ball and what better Third Scorer to share to than Kelly Tripucka who averaged 26 a game on 48% FG and 38% 3FG?
Not to mention Don Buse who can find these guys in their spots. Roundfield and Kareem will dominate the boards for more possesions, hence more shots.
And then there's the brick wall defense from the starters (outside of Globo Gym guy of course) and the bench, who can score as well.
I wouldn't say Kareem was unstoppable..Moses played him well, even in his prime, plus Bill Walton gave him some fits.
34 points per game on 57% shooting. Maybe I am stretching it but, that's pretty close right?
Well, I imagine Bill had to go through Kareem in some capacity in 76-77, right?
After all, that was Bill's / Portland's Championship season. Says a lot about Walton to get a Banner and Finals MVP while Kareem was in his prime.
As I check the Head-to-Head Finder, looks like Bill Walton's team was 3-2 vs Kareem in his championship year, too...
That's why I'm thankful I chose Walton...he was/is a very under-rated all-around Big Man that made his teams better.
You mean the year Kareem averaged 34pts/17reb/4apg on 60% shooting in the Playoffs?
Sure Walton's team probably swept them, but it does prove the point that Kareem is nearly unstoppable. Now add Moncrief and the teams All Defense loaded roster. Best team, by far.
I see you added "nearly" :)
My thoughts on Kareem, while being perhaps a Top-Three Center of all time, are that he achieved those stats with HOF-caliber PGs (Oscar Robertson in MIL, none other than Magic in LA), and it would be next to impossible to pair him with a similar PG that could get him tio produce like that again - in THIS format.
While I LOVE Moncrief and your backcourt, I'm not so sure that Kareem would produce those same numbers you stated with them.....
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Ok, well if Kermit isnt eligible I'll take Lonnie Shelton
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LA clearly going for nasty D. Assuming they are going for the strategy of we might not score much but you'll score even less.
Going for nasty D - True
Not score much but you'll score even less - False
The team has Kareem who's practically unstoppable. Moncrief can score at will. Both of them shares the ball and what better Third Scorer to share to than Kelly Tripucka who averaged 26 a game on 48% FG and 38% 3FG?
Not to mention Don Buse who can find these guys in their spots. Roundfield and Kareem will dominate the boards for more possesions, hence more shots.
And then there's the brick wall defense from the starters (outside of Globo Gym guy of course) and the bench, who can score as well.
I wouldn't say Kareem was unstoppable..Moses played him well, even in his prime, plus Bill Walton gave him some fits.
34 points per game on 57% shooting. Maybe I am stretching it but, that's pretty close right?
Well, I imagine Bill had to go through Kareem in some capacity in 76-77, right?
After all, that was Bill's / Portland's Championship season. Says a lot about Walton to get a Banner and Finals MVP while Kareem was in his prime.
As I check the Head-to-Head Finder, looks like Bill Walton's team was 3-2 vs Kareem in his championship year, too...
That's why I'm thankful I chose Walton...he was/is a very under-rated all-around Big Man that made his teams better.
You mean the year Kareem averaged 34pts/17reb/4apg on 60% shooting in the Playoffs?
Sure Walton's team probably swept them, but it does prove the point that Kareem is nearly unstoppable. Now add Moncrief and the teams All Defense loaded roster. Best team, by far.
I see you added "nearly" :)
My thoughts on Kareem, while being perhaps a Top-Three Center of all time, are that he achieved those stats with HOF-caliber PGs (Oscar Robertson in MIL, none other than Magic in LA), and it would be next to impossible to pair him with a similar PG that could get him tio produce like that again - in THIS format.
While I LOVE Moncrief and your backcourt, I'm not so sure that Kareem would produce those same numbers you stated with them.....
Why not? He had those numbers in the 77 Playoffs without any HOF players playing with him. He averaged 26/13/4 on 57% in the season as well. That's with no Magic or Big O.
Buse and Moncrief shares the ball, getting him his 24 shots won't be that hard. Add to the fact that he's ultra efficient, those numbers are easily attainable.
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If we can get these next two picks in quickly, I will be able to put my pick in quickly.
Otherwise, I am off to head home.
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If we can get these next two picks in quickly, I will be able to put my pick in quickly.
Otherwise, I am off to head home.
Regardless, you're up in the coaches round.
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If we can get these next two picks in quickly, I will be able to put my pick in quickly.
Otherwise, I am off to head home.
Regardless, you're up in the coaches round.
What is the years for coaches?
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If we can get these next two picks in quickly, I will be able to put my pick in quickly.
Otherwise, I am off to head home.
Regardless, you're up in the coaches round.
What is the years for coaches?
73-93 according to nick
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=64830.msg1471323#msg1471323
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Bill Russell then
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I will select Kurt Rambis. He should do a good job backing up Kevin McHale ;D
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I would like to trade back into this round if anyone is interested
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With my next pick I'm going to take Ray Williams. And most Likely use his 79-80 season where he went 21, 6 and 5
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I would like to trade back into this round if anyone is interested
Possibly. What did you have in mind?
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I am taking Jim Paxson
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I would like to trade back into this round if anyone is interested
Possibly. What did you have in mind?
Check your PM
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Swen Nater
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Swen Nater
I was contemplating him. Good pick up.
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Philadelphia will take the last truly great passer (4 time league leader in both total assists and assists per game) to back-up our HOF starting PG Calvin Murphy and select
PG - Kevin Porter
1978-79. 15.4 ppg, 13.4 apg, 2.5 rpg, 1.9 spg on 48.1% from the field and 72.2% from the line.
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Philadelphia will take the last truly great passer (4 time league leader in both total assists and assists per game) to back-up our HOF starting PG Calvin Murphy and select
PG - Kevin Porter
1978-79. 15.4 ppg, 13.4 apg, 2.5 rpg, 1.9 spg on 48.1% from the field and 72.2% from the line.
You're hacking my computer aren't you?
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Milwaukee Bucks select: Tom Owens
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Kansas picks Alvan Adams.
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Kansas picks Alvan Adams.
ARGH
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Philadelphia will take the last truly great passer (4 time league leader in both total assists and assists per game) to back-up our HOF starting PG Calvin Murphy and select
PG - Kevin Porter
1978-79. 15.4 ppg, 13.4 apg, 2.5 rpg, 1.9 spg on 48.1% from the field and 72.2% from the line.
You're hacking my computer aren't you?
brilliant minds
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Kansas picks Alvan Adams.
ARGH
was between Porter and Adams for me. Adams seemed easier to duplicate so I went with Porter, but I really liked Adams.
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I'm next, correct? Pick coming in a min.
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Going with a Bad Boys Great:
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZkC-yYbeziLfZemh_zRFkequfGCDZWL-O6n1cmV5mEGJ3Oiqk)
James "Buddha" Edwards to give Walton a spell.
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Whose next for coaches?
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Whose next for coaches?
KCat
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The Los Angeles Lakers selects Larry Drew so that when they give Don Buse a breather, they would still have a quality PG who can dish and score.
We'll use his 82-83 season where he averaged 20 points and 8 assists per game.
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The Nuggets obviously choose KC Jones.
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Philadelphia selects Philadelphia legend The Kangaroo Kid Billy Cunningham as their coach. The BEST coach in the game in the 82-83 season (you know the only season that truly matters).
Overall in Cunningham's brief 8 year coaching career he compiled a regular season winning percentage of 69.8% and a playoff winning percentage of 62.9% which includes the 82-83 championship with the Dr. J led Philadelphia 76ers that finished an astonishing 12-1 in the playoffs after a 65-17 season.
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Philadelphia selects Philadelphia legend The Kangaroo Kid Billy Cunningham as their coach. The BEST coach in the game in the 82-83 season (you know the only season that truly matters).
Overall in Cunningham's brief 8 year coaching career he compiled a regular season winning percentage of 69.8% and a playoff winning percentage of 62.9% which includes the 82-83 championship with the Dr. J led Philadelphia 76ers that finished an astonishing 12-1 in the playoffs after a 65-17 season.
Yeah, I figured you'd go that way. Nice choice.
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Donoghus next for coaches.
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Philadelphia selects Philadelphia legend The Kangaroo Kid Billy Cunningham as their coach. The BEST coach in the game in the 82-83 season (you know the only season that truly matters).
Overall in Cunningham's brief 8 year coaching career he compiled a regular season winning percentage of 69.8% and a playoff winning percentage of 62.9% which includes the 82-83 championship with the Dr. J led Philadelphia 76ers that finished an astonishing 12-1 in the playoffs after a 65-17 season.
Yeah, I figured you'd go that way. Nice choice.
Very short career, but you can't argue with the results. The dude just coached winners. And frankly after Phil and Pat were taken, his career is on par with any other coach available in this thing despite the shortness of it (1 title, 2 other finals appearances in just 8 years is impressive). He also did quite well coaching teams with multiple HOFers and lots of egos. I mean the transition from the Dr. J led Sixers to the Moses led Sixers (that still had Dr. J) was about as seamless as possible.
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I'll go Dr. Jack Ramsay for my coach.
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Going with John drew for my pick.
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I'll take Lenny Wilkens to coach Kansas.
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Going with John drew for my pick.
Excellent pick. I had forgotten about him.
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Going with John drew for my pick.
Excellent pick. I had forgotten about him.
Thanks another 20 ppg scorer to go with bird.
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My bad - Chuck's been taken.
Another coach coming up in a min.
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Going with Jerry Sloan as our coach:
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvi1XAUlYe9cDuBv_Q36HmkwIgnupO8haEAaDRPvSqjknVIumn)
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Going with Larry Brown as our coach:
Pretty sure Larry Brown has been taken too.
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Going with Larry Brown as our coach:
Pretty sure Larry Brown has been taken too.
So am I.
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All the good coaches have been picked, so I'll lean with the numbers and winning records.
We'll select Don Nelson as our coach. Only 1 losing season in his 10 year tenure in the early 80's, I think we can run with him.
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Love the Webster, Ruland, Drew, and Porter picks. Randy Smith is quality as well.
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you guys canskip me today, super busy today and I don't know who any of the players are that are getting picked now so I can pick at the end of the day
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you guys canskip me today, super busy today and I don't know who any of the players are that are getting picked now so I can pick at the end of the day
If you send me a list of even just a couple of players, I will draft them for you. You never know you might get one of them.
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Love the Webster, Ruland, Drew, and Porter picks. Randy Smith is quality as well.
Washington was very happy to get both Ruland and Smith.
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Looks like we are skipping Kane again. Yoki you are up
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Kane and New York select Orlando Woolridge
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Okay.
Lakers are selecting Billy Paultz to back up Kareem while still keeping the defensive intensity of the team.
3 time ABA All Star, led the league in blocks one year, very solid backup for this team.
We are using his 75-76 ABA season where he averaged 16pts/10reb/4ast/3blk per game.
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I'm here..pick coming
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Going with Eddie Johnson for backup SG duties...2 time All-Star, and 2 Time 2nd Team Defense
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Going with Eddie Johnson for backup SG duties...2 time All-Star, and 2 Time 2nd Team Defense
wasn't he drafted?
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Going with Eddie Johnson for backup SG duties...2 time All-Star, and 2 Time 2nd Team Defense
wasn't he drafted?
There are two Eddie Johnsons
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Going with Eddie Johnson for backup SG duties...2 time All-Star, and 2 Time 2nd Team Defense
wasn't he drafted?
There are two Eddie Johnsons
Sure is.
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Going with Eddie Johnson for backup SG duties...2 time All-Star, and 2 Time 2nd Team Defense
wasn't he drafted?
There are two Eddie Johnsons
oh. I probably would have taken that guy if I would have realized. My bad.
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Going with Eddie Johnson for backup SG duties...2 time All-Star, and 2 Time 2nd Team Defense
wasn't he drafted?
There are two Eddie Johnsons
oh. I probably would have taken that guy if I would have realized. My bad.
You took the "Eddie Arnet Johnson", as I recall from the earlier post.
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Sorry, torn between two guys. Just be another minute or two.
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I'm shifting Eddie Johnson to starting SG alongside Mo Cheeks, and letting Ricky Pierce best utilize his 2-time 6th man of the year duties.
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Going with Eddie Johnson for backup SG duties...2 time All-Star, and 2 Time 2nd Team Defense
wasn't he drafted?
There are two Eddie Johnsons
oh. I probably would have taken that guy if I would have realized. My bad.
You took the "Eddie Arnet Johnson", as I recall from the earlier post.
Prov. took that guy. I just didn't pay close enough attention and crossed the guy you took off my list. I wanted the defensive guy. Oh well, perfectly happy with Porter who I took as there are definite advantages to having the best passer available in the entire draft on your team.
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Kansas selects "Downtown Freddie Brown".
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anyone seen Dons
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Craig Hodges
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Craig Hodges
[dang]. I wanted the best 3 point shooter available in the entire draft.
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Philadelphia will select its 4th big man
C - Herb Williams
85-86 - 19.9 p, 9.1 r, 2.4 b, 2.2 a on 49.2% from the field and 73% from the line
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Pat Cummings.
Sidenote, I have no idea who anyone is anymore.
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Looks like we are skipping Kane again. Yoki you are up
I sent in the list...
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Wideload selects:
Scott Wedman
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Kane and New York select Orlando Woolridge
Sweet. Thanks. Tp.
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I'm curious, how are folks researching their picks? How many are going by memory / personal knowledge, versus looking up stats from the 70s and 80s?
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I'm curious, how are folks researching their picks? How many are going by memory / personal knowledge, versus looking up stats from the 70s and 80s?
At this point I'm basing everything of of stats. I don't even know how my players fit each other.
Been like that since Round 5. ;D
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I'm curious, how are folks researching their picks? How many are going by memory / personal knowledge, versus looking up stats from the 70s and 80s?
Most of it is by knowledge of the well-known names and looking up stats on the lesser names and going by feel for chemistry-sake.
The majority of these guys were shells of their former selves (if they were even still playing) by the time I started getting into the NBA as a kid in the late 80s.
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I'm going to take another offensive player to keep the trend with my team
Purvis Short and his 84-85 season where he was 28 ppg, 5 rpg and 3ast and a decent 3pt percentage
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I'm curious, how are folks researching their picks? How many are going by memory / personal knowledge, versus looking up stats from the 70s and 80s?
looking everything up and have been the entire time. I mean I know most of the players being drafted, but I'm trying to fit the team together I think it boils down a lot more to stats than anything else. For example, I took Porter when I did because his 13.4 assist season was by far the most prolific season available to draft. I wanted Hodges because his 49.1% from three was the best season of any player available (sad to have seen him drafted right before me). That is especially true now that I have my main rotation in place. I will be all about the specialty stats from now on.
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provvvvvvvv
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Wideload selects:
Scott Wedman
Thank you.
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I'm curious, how are folks researching their picks? How many are going by memory / personal knowledge, versus looking up stats from the 70s and 80s?
List made by others.
1st: Top 50 of all time players
2nd: Hall of fame (includes all NBA MVPs)
3rd: All NBA 1st team
4th: All NBA 2nd team
5th: All NBA defensive teams.
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Rickey Green
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Did Rondo give anyone a list? I know he said to skip him but I just want to check first.
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I'm curious, how are folks researching their picks? How many are going by memory / personal knowledge, versus looking up stats from the 70s and 80s?
Straight up Basketball-reference since I know no one from this era after the obvious ones!!
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Did Rondo give anyone a list? I know he said to skip him but I just want to check first.
don't think so and he said to skip him.
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Alright, no word from Rondo, so we'll pick.
With 9.12, Washington selects a combo(-ish) forward to round out the frontcourt rotation, Mickey Johnson. Season yet to be determined, but he's usually around 20-8-5.
With 10.1, Washington selects the 4x Defensive 2nd team PG, Quinn Buckner, to back up Sleepy. Season also yet to be determined.
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Love the Buckner pick. One of the better defenders left. I was really hoping him or Hodges was going to be there for me this round as I was looking for some specialists.
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I will select Darrell Griffith
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I have to leave so I will be picking right away.
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I have to leave so I will be picking right away.
I think air's time has expired so I don't see any issue.
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I will take George Johnson
Able to be make all defensive team playing less then 25 minutes a game.
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I will take George Johnson
Able to be make all defensive team playing less then 25 minutes a game.
he was my later round sleeper. Darn you.
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air picks Jay Vincent
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Rest of the Day - and Rondo has 2 picks that can be made at any time.
114-6 3:30 Denver - KCattheStripe
115-7 3:40 Philadelphia - Moranis
116-8 3:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus
117-9 4:00 Kansas City - Who
118-10 4:10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819
119-11 4:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName
120-12 4:30 New York - Kane3387
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I am here. Just giving KC a bit more time.
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Billy Knight
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Billy Knight
I was just typing him in. Now I need another minute.
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Props to AB for getting our guys.
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Philadelphia will select the best big man available
C - Sam Lacey
74-75 - 11.5 p, 14.2 r, 5.3 a, 1.7 s, 2.1 b on 42.7% from the field and 75.4% from the line
Nothing like adding a great rebounder who blocks shots, steals the ball, and passes like a guard (I mean 5.3 assists from a center). He will fit in nicely off the bench.
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Philadelphia will select the best big man available
C - Sam Lacey
74-75 - 11.5 p, 14.2 r, 5.3 a, 1.7 s, 2.1 b on 42.7% from the field and 75.4% from the line
Nothing like adding a great rebounder who blocks shots, steals the ball, and passes like a guard (I mean 5.3 assists from a center). He will fit in nicely off the bench.
Nice pick.
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Milwaukee selects: Darnell Valentine
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Nervemind. Sorry, wrong year.
I will take Bobby Gross instead.
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Props to AB for getting our guys.
Thought Mickey gave us more diversity in the rotation than the other guy we were looking at. He's a more agile forward than Gilmore, McAdoo, or Ruland, and that helps in certain situations.
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My coach will be Tommy Heinsohn.
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Going with Three Point Specialist (if he's not taken):
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXmSt8UbDMjIGonX7oRT3LwEzzfh7Kebe2FSpO67bdVdsgfdZP)
Trent Tucker.
Career .408 from deep.
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My coach will be Tommy Heinsohn.
Nice one.
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Going with Three Point Specialist (if he's not taken):
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXmSt8UbDMjIGonX7oRT3LwEzzfh7Kebe2FSpO67bdVdsgfdZP)
Trent Tucker.
Career .408 from deep.
He is not. It was between Him, Lacey, and another player yet to be taken for me. Ultimately I had to go with Lacey who just had the better and more balanced numbers.
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I am surprised nobody chose Bill Fitch as their head coach.
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Going with Three Point Specialist (if he's not taken):
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXmSt8UbDMjIGonX7oRT3LwEzzfh7Kebe2FSpO67bdVdsgfdZP)
Trent Tucker.
Career .408 from deep.
He is not. It was between Him, Lacey, and another player yet to be taken for me. Ultimately I had to go with Lacey who just had the better and more balanced numbers.
That's fine...he will fill a specific role for us.
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Can I pick? For 10.12?
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Lost track of time. Sorry.
Guess I'm up.
Lakers select Cliff Robinson.
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I will take campy Russell.
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Man I hate to miss this things
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I am surprised nobody chose Bill Fitch as their head coach.
Or Alex Hannum or Red Holzman.
Gotta say what a spectacular round 10 even though people claim not to know the era.
Quinn Buckner
Darrell Griffith
Jay Vincent
George Johnson
Sam Lacey
Trent Tucker
and so on.
That's some quality drafting in the 10th round.
And there are still about 10-15 guys out there that I think probably should have been chosen by now. There's 2-3 double double centers, lots of great defensive wings, a couple high quality floor general/PG types and one or two real scorers left.
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Kane and New York open the day taking a much needed big man: James Donaldson.
Wow...that's a really BIG man.
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Did Rondo pick from yesterday?
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Rondo didn't so I am assigning Dallas two players:
Brad Davis and Derek Smith
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Rondo didn't so I am assigning Dallas two players:
Brad Davis and Kermit Washington
Kermit Washington didn't play in 82-83. Someone else tried to draft him and wasn't allowed.
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Rondo didn't so I am assigning Dallas two players:
Brad Davis and Kermit Washington
Kermit Washington didn't play in 82-83. Someone else tried to draft him and wasn't allowed.
Did I not allow it?
If so then there's another player that I made a mistake on that has been drafted that I allowed through because it was my mistake to put him amongst eligible players.
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Rondo didn't so I am assigning Dallas two players:
Brad Davis and Kermit Washington
Kermit Washington didn't play in 82-83. Someone else tried to draft him and wasn't allowed.
Did I not allow it?
If so then there's another player that I made a mistake on that has been drafted that I allowed through because it was my mistake to put him amongst eligible players.
You were away that day for a short while. The person who choose Kermit changed his own pick after some said he didn't play in 82-83. I forget who it was.
Edit: It was Rondo
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=64830.msg1472470#msg1472470
That is nice. Gets the player he wanted in the first place if you keep the pick.
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Okay if that is the precedent then Kermit Washington is ineligible and I have assigned Rondo and Dallas Brad Davis and Derek Smith.
It also means that Kane and New York need to select another player because Campy Russell is ineligible.
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Rondo didn't so I am assigning Dallas two players:
Brad Davis and Kermit Washington
Kermit Washington didn't play in 82-83. Someone else tried to draft him and wasn't allowed.
Did I not allow it?
If so then there's another player that I made a mistake on that has been drafted that I allowed through because it was my mistake to put him amongst eligible players.
You were away that day for a short while. The person who choose Kermit changed his own pick after some said he didn't play in 82-83. I forget who it was.
Edit: It was Rondo
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=64830.msg1472470#msg1472470
That is nice. Gets the player he wanted in the first place if you keep the pick.
If it is Rondo, then I guess I'm ok with Kermit being taken there especially since Campy Russell was picked. No reason to reinvent the wheel.
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No...if it was disallowed by you GMs earlier, its only fair to do it this way now.
Yoki is up. Kane can repick for his Campy Russell pick at any time.
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Had a feeling it could be a slow day and that I would be posting a lot of "Pick Any Time" stuff on the big board.
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Sorry got called into working early so I might miss my last pick.
For this pick though, Lakers select Mike Mitchell
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I have to say, LA and Yoki made some, IMHO, not so great choices early on in this draft. He put together one of if not the best defensive team in the draft through 6-8 rounds. But what he has done over the last three rounds , I think, has clearly put LA into best team status as well.
If I am Yoki, I'm starting Cliff Robinson and bringing Roundfield off the bench and I might do the same thing with Mike Mitchell
Buse/Moncreif/Mitchell/Robinson/Jabbar is a great defensive starting lineup with two excellent scorers, one elite, and guys that can feed the beast inside. When you go bench the scoring continues with Drew, Tripuka but still have an excellent defensive presence with Cooper, Paultz and Roundfield.
Great late round pick ups, Yoki. Gotta say I like Robinson better than Roundfield and Mitchell better than Carr or Tripuka.
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Kansas selects Gerald Henderson.
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Time has passed for both GF/Seattle and Who/Kansas City. Dons and Milwaukee are up. Who and GF can pick any time.
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I'm here - pick coming
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Kansas selects Gerald Henderson.
Tremendous change of pace PG to have playing a role behind Magic. I really like this pick.
And I have to say, fit picks, in the late rounds, really impress me. Knowing you have a role to fill given your team's makeup and getting that type of "glue" guy or "role" guy, to me speaks volumes about a person's ability to build a team.
Then again, sometimes people just get lucky.
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Is Dons around?
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Dons/Milwaukee's time has passed and Moranis can now pick. Dons can select whenever he wants
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Philadelphia will select 3 time All NBA 2nd Team Defense
SG - T.R. Dunn
82/83 - 7.6 p, 7.5 r, 2.3 a, 1.8 s on 48.2% from the field and 73% from the line and the first of his 3 straight 2nd Team defenses
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Going with Danny Schayes. At 6'11", he adds more length and toughness.
To my memory, he was a good "Stretch 4/5" back in the day...maybe not 3-pt range, but still deep, nonetheless. Will probably chose the yr where he also averaged nearly 2 blocks.
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Going with Danny Schayes. At 6'11", he adds more length and toughness.
To my memory, he was a good "Stretch 4/5" back in the day...maybe not 3-pt range, but still deep, nonetheless. Will probably chose the yr where he also averaged nearly 2 blocks.
Schayes never averaged near 2 blocks a game. His career best was 1.1.
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It is my time so I will take Bill Hanzlik
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Going with Danny Schayes. At 6'11", he adds more length and toughness.
To my memory, he was a good "Stretch 4/5" back in the day...maybe not 3-pt range, but still deep, nonetheless. Will probably chose the yr where he also averaged nearly 2 blocks.
Are you sure you don't have him confused with his dad who was a real tough guy? Danny was big but never a great banger, defender or even rebounder.
He was pretty much Andrea Bargnani, from what I remember.
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air/SD have been skipped and can select at anytime. prov and Boston can now make their selection.
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ROUND 11 Wednesday May 22
121-1 12:10 New York - Kane3387: James Donaldson
122-2 12:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Mike Mitchell
123-3 12:30 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Danny Schayes
124-4 12:40 Kansas City - Who: Gerald Henderson
125-5 12:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Pick Any Time
126-6 1:00 Philadelphia - Moranis: T.R. Dunn
127-7 1:10 Denver - KCattheStripe: Pick Any Time
128-8 1:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: Bill Hanzlik
129-9 1:30 San Diego - airbelinelli: Pick Any Time
130-10 1:40 Boston - prov1ml34: Pick Any Time
131-11 1:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287
132-12 2:00 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic
ROUND 12 Wednesday May 22
133-1 2:40 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic
134-2 2:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287
135-3 3:00 Boston - prov1ml34
136-4 3:10 San Diego - airbelinelli
137-5 3:20 Atlanta - wdleehi
138-6 3:30 Denver - KCattheStripe
139-7 3:40 Philadelphia - Moranis
140-8 3:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus
141-9 4:00 Kansas City - Who
142-10 4:10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819
143-11 4:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName
144-12 4:30 New York - Kane3387
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I have to say, LA and Yoki made some, IMHO, not so great choices early on in this draft. He put together one of if not the best defensive team in the draft through 6-8 rounds. But what he has done over the last three rounds , I think, has clearly put LA into best team status as well.
If I am Yoki, I'm starting Cliff Robinson and bringing Roundfield off the bench and I might do the same thing with Mike Mitchell
Buse/Moncreif/Mitchell/Robinson/Jabbar is a great defensive starting lineup with two excellent scorers, one elite, and guys that can feed the beast inside. When you go bench the scoring continues with Drew, Tripuka but still have an excellent defensive presence with Cooper, Paultz and Roundfield.
Great late round pick ups, Yoki. Gotta say I like Robinson better than Roundfield and Mitchell better than Carr or Tripuka.
Glad to see one panelist is not overlooking the Lakers. Thanks Nick.
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prov and Boston are skipped. Rondo you are up.
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With my last pick I'll take Allen Leavell
with his season of 14.8 and 6.7ast with 2 steals a game as well
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Milwaukee Bucks select: Chuck Nevitt
For no other reason than the fact that he's 7'5".
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I'll take Corny ThompsonNot often you can have a guy named Corny on your team
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The Celtics will select Johnny Davis
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Rod Higgins for 3pt shooting off the bench.
Wayne Cooper for toughness and shot blocking.
Washington complete.
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I'll take, Jerome Whiteheadand his 13 point and 9 rpg performance while shooting 56% from the field
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The Celtics will select Johnny Davis
Nice. He was my 2nd choice if someone took Gerald Henderson. Very good defender. I loved watching Lionel Hollins and Johnny Davis pressure the ball. Made life hell for Philly's ball-handlers in 77 Finals.
I was hoping I might still get him in the next round. Ah well.
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ROUND 11 Wednesday May 22
121-1 12:10 New York - Kane3387: James Donaldson
122-2 12:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName: Mike Mitchell
123-3 12:30 Seattle - GreenFaith1819: Danny Schayes
124-4 12:40 Kansas City - Who: Gerald Henderson
125-5 12:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus: Chuck Nevitt
126-6 1:00 Philadelphia - Moranis: T.R. Dunn
127-7 1:10 Denver - KCattheStripe: Pick Any Time
128-8 1:20 Atlanta - wdleehi: Bill Hanzlik
129-9 1:30 San Diego - airbelinelli: Allen Leavell
130-10 1:40 Boston - prov1ml34: Johnny Davis
131-11 1:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Corny Thompson
132-12 2:00 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Rod Higgins
ROUND 12 Wednesday May 22
133-1 2:40 Washington - Rebus Rankin/AB_Celtic: Wayne Cooper
134-2 2:50 Dallas - Rondo 2287: Jerome Whitehead
135-3 3:00 Boston - prov1ml34
136-4 3:10 San Diego - airbelinelli
137-5 3:20 Atlanta - wdleehi
138-6 3:30 Denver - KCattheStripe
139-7 3:40 Philadelphia - Moranis
140-8 3:50 Milwaukee - Donoghus
141-9 4:00 Kansas City - Who
142-10 4:10 Seattle - GreenFaith1819
143-11 4:20 Los Angeles - Yoki_IsTheName
144-12 4:30 New York - Kane3387
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Rod Higgins for 3pt shooting off the bench.
Wayne Cooper for toughness and shot blocking.
Washington complete.
Cooper was going to be my last pick. Darn.
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What was going on in the NBA in 1979? It seems like all kinds of random guys put up huge numbers that season.
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What was going on in the NBA in 1979? It seems like all kinds of random guys put up huge numbers that season.
Cocaine & lots of it.
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What was going on in the NBA in 1979? It seems like all kinds of random guys put up huge numbers that season.
78-79 may actually be the weakest year in NBA history. Seattle beat Washington in the Finals that year. A lot of the stars of the late 60's and early 70's had recently retired and Magic and Bird hadn't yet entered the league. Kareem was getting older, Dr. J was fading as well, Walton didn't even play that year, and Moses wasn't yet ready for the big time. Just an odd transition year.
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Is it my turn to pick again?
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I will take Chubby Cox
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I will take Chubby Cox
tee hee. chubby cox. His parents must have hated him at birth.
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Was waiting for prov didnt know I got skipped whoops...
I'll take the old Bulls C Dave Corzine
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I'm here, just going to give KC as much time as I can so I will pick right around 340.
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I will select Larry Smith
Looks like he had good rebounding numbers. Averaged a double double one year and close to it for a few years.
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Looks like KC isn't around so Philadelphia will select its final player and is ecstatic to welcome in
C - Rich Kelley
Huge statistical season in Roy's favorite season of 78-79
15.7 p, 12.8 r, 3.6 a, 2.1 b, 1.6 s on 50.6% from the field and 81.4% from the line in less than 34 minutes a game.
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I will select Larry Smith
Looks like he had good rebounding numbers. Averaged a double double one year and close to it for a few years.
Great pick. He was the other name on my three man list alongside Johnny Davis and a yet to be selected small forward. Terrific offensive rebounder. Larry Smith is a really nice energy guy to have on the end of your bench.
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Looks like KC isn't around so Philadelphia will select its final player and is ecstatic to welcome in
C - Rich Kelley
Huge statistical season in Roy's favorite season of 78-79
15.7 p, 12.8 r, 3.6 a, 2.1 b, 1.6 s on 50.6% from the field and 81.4% from the line in less than 34 minutes a game.
Haha. Kelley is one of the guys who prompted me to make that post.
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Looks like KC isn't around so Philadelphia will select its final player and is ecstatic to welcome in
C - Rich Kelley
Huge statistical season in Roy's favorite season of 78-79
15.7 p, 12.8 r, 3.6 a, 2.1 b, 1.6 s on 50.6% from the field and 81.4% from the line in less than 34 minutes a game.
Haha. Kelley is one of the guys who prompted me to make that post.
I figured as much. But I mean you really can't beat that production from the 12th round. Blocks shots, steals the ball, passes well, grabs an obscene amount of rebounds, and is a very efficient shooter (and you can't beat 81.4% from the line for a big guy).
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Robert Reid
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Robert Reid
Darn. So close ...
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I will take Clint Richardson.
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I'll just make my last two picks tonight. All the guys I did research on are gone. Good drafting. Need to see who is still available when the dust settles and do a little research.
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I'll just make my last two picks tonight. All the guys I did research on are gone. Good drafting. Need to see who is still available when the dust settles and do a little research.
#pickguyswithfunnynames
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So I think the draft board is correct and we still need:
2 Denver picks from KCattheStripe
2 New York picks from Kane3387
1 Seattle pick from GreenFaith1819
1 Los Angeles pick from Yoki_IsTheName
First come first serve on players left for those drafting.
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Sorry guys, Krakoa of a day. Will try to draft soon.
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UPDATE
Rosters close at midnight EST Friday Night. That gives everyone two plus days to finalize their rosters. Trading is still an option. Teams have to have a minimum of 12 players but can have up to 13. So if a trade occurs that has more players going in one direction than the other, I am allowing the team that ends up at 11 players to draft a free agent to complete his team. The pick must be made with the trade confirmation. This means only one for one, 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 or 4 for 3, etc, type of trades can occur.
Final rosters and years must be submitted in the Roster Thread. Years only please. You can put all the stats and bios and other presentation stuff in the presentations you can submit in this thread. You can start it here. Edit it. Do whatever you want here. I will cut and paste the presentation and put them all in reverse order of the draft in the Roster thread when presentations are due on midnight EST Monday night.
At midnight EST Tuesday night panelist's votes will be due to me via PM. I will release the voting results for the year a week from tonight.
Good luck everyone.
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Kyle Macey and Wes Matthews.
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Kyle Macey and Wes Matthews.
Loving the Matthews pick ;D
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For the last Lakers pick, we select Rory Sparrow.
And with that, the Lakers roster is complete.
C - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
PF - Dan Roundfield
SF - M.L. Carr
SG - Sidney Moncrief
PG - Don Buse
Bench Mob:
Michael Cooper (SG), Kelly Tripucka (SF), Cliff Robinson (PF), Billy Paultz (C), Larry Drew (PG), Mike Mitchell (G-F), Rory Sparrow (G).
Best team in this draft.
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Kyle Macey and Wes Matthews.
Loving the Matthews pick ;D
Just for you, big guy.
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I will select James Bailey with one of my two remaining picks.
My next and last pick is Mitch Kupchak.
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I am assigning Greg Ballard to GF/Seattle for their last pick.
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I am assigning Greg Ballard to GF/Seattle for their last pick.
Thanks, Nick - good pick!
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Going with Danny Schayes. At 6'11", he adds more length and toughness.
To my memory, he was a good "Stretch 4/5" back in the day...maybe not 3-pt range, but still deep, nonetheless. Will probably chose the yr where he also averaged nearly 2 blocks.
Schayes never averaged near 2 blocks a game. His career best was 1.1.
Actually, 1.2 blocks (82-83 season).
And I was looking at his "Per 36 min) averages when I made the 2 blocks per game booboo. Good catch.
Still very happy with the pick.
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Going with Danny Schayes. At 6'11", he adds more length and toughness.
To my memory, he was a good "Stretch 4/5" back in the day...maybe not 3-pt range, but still deep, nonetheless. Will probably chose the yr where he also averaged nearly 2 blocks.
Are you sure you don't have him confused with his dad who was a real tough guy? Danny was big but never a great banger, defender or even rebounder.
He was pretty much Andrea Bargnani, from what I remember.
Nope - not Bargnani by any stretch.
I'm certainly mature/old enough to remember vividly Danny Schayes mixing it up down low and getting into opponent's skins. I'm sure he got a lot of his chippiness from his pops, but Danny Schayes had an edge, too.
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All GMs and Panelists, please check your PMs.
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PG: Isiah Thomas ( 89-90)/Kyle Macy(81-82)/Wes Matthews(80-81)
SG: Dennis Johnson (79-80)/Vinnie Johnson (88-89)
SF: Kiki Vandeweghe(83-84)/Billy Knight (75-76)
PF: Maurice Lucas (76-77)/Clark Kellogg (82-83)/Pat Cummings (84-85)
C: Bill Laimbeer (85-86)/Swen Nater (77-78)
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2013 Historical Draft: LA Lakers (The best team)
C - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (71-72)/ Billy Paultz (75-76)
PF - Dan Roundfield (81-82) / Cliff Robinson (81-82)
SF - M.L. Carr (78-79) / Kelly Tripucka (82-83)
SG - Sidney Moncrief (83-84) / Michael Cooper (86-87)
PG - Don Buse (75-76) / Larry Drew (82-83)
Mike Mitchell (80-81), Rory Sparrow (82-83)
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Any thoughts on the years I should use??