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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Celtics18 on May 08, 2013, 09:36:19 AM
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This guy is a free agent this off-season. I'm not sure what Dallas' plans are for him, or how much he is likely to fetch on the open market.
I do know, that whenever I've seen him play for the Mavs this year, I've been impressed. He's active, he rebounds, he blocks shots, and he's got some decent offensive skill.
Is anyone else interested? Or have we all simply had enough of skinny bigs?
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I like him, but the Celtics need a bigger big.
If they move Bass, I could see him as a good replacement coming off the bench.
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I like him, but the Celtics need a bigger big.
If they move Bass, I could see him as a good replacement coming off the bench.
I think we just need rebounding.
Dont think I can recall a ton of games where we got beat cause of tall people
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I like him, but the Celtics need a bigger big.
If they move Bass, I could see him as a good replacement coming off the bench.
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I like him, but the Celtics need a bigger big.
If they move Bass, I could see him as a good replacement coming off the bench.
I think we just need rebounding.
Dont think I can recall a ton of games where we got beat cause of tall people
Yup, I'll take a big that is Chuck's size, if he can rebound like him. Garnett can't do it alone anymore.
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I like him, but the Celtics need a bigger big.
If they move Bass, I could see him as a good replacement coming off the bench.
elton brand?
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I like him, but the Celtics need a bigger big.
If they move Bass, I could see him as a good replacement coming off the bench.
I think we just need rebounding.
Dont think I can recall a ton of games where we got beat cause of tall people
Yup, I'll take a big that is Chuck's size, if he can rebound like him. Garnett can't do it alone anymore.
They need another talented big with size that can defend the paint when KG is not out there.
I am tired of seeing the two short PFs out there together putting no fear into the other team about attacking the middle.
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I thought he'd be better when he came into the league. if they can move Bass for a decent backup center then Wright wouldn't be a bad backup for Sully
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I like him, but the Celtics need a bigger big.
If they move Bass, I could see him as a good replacement coming off the bench.
I think we just need rebounding.
Dont think I can recall a ton of games where we got beat cause of tall people
Defense from KG's backup is at least as important as rebounding.
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By all means. Another lottery pick who needed some time to bounce around and get his bearings in the league. He has value and should be had on the cheap. Much like T-Will, let's load up on guys like this.
He and Rondo would be magical together. We don't need to be pulling a Carl Crawford on Josh Smith.
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I like him, but the Celtics need a bigger big.
If they move Bass, I could see him as a good replacement coming off the bench.
I think we just need rebounding.
Dont think I can recall a ton of games where we got beat cause of tall people
Yeah that's true. My maint point is I'm looking at quality and talent of the player not a guy needing to be 611 and up to "intimidate" people. I mean great, if we get a 7 footer who fits the mold that's perfect. But I'd much rather have a quality player then just picking up Samuel Dalembert or some crap like that
Defense from KG's backup is at least as important as rebounding.
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Skinny and frail. Gets pushed around in the paint. A weak post defender and overall man defender. A good weakside shot-blocker but otherwise a fairly ordinary team defender. Doesn't organize others from the back. A below average rebounder despite his size and athleticism mostly due to a lack of attention/effort. A useful offensive player who finishes very well around the basket and has a solid short 8-14 foot jump shot.
Not skilled enough to play PF on most teams. Hasn't played much there in recent years from what I have seen. Not big enough, strong enough, defensively sound enough to play long minutes at the five. A tweener who is forced to be a backup center. Not a particularly good one. A journeyman type one. A middle of the pack to a bit below average. Probably somewhere in the high teens to early twenties (16-23 range).
Not really interested. I would like to pickup someone like Mozgov who has legitimate size and bulk to play behind Kevin Garnett. Someone who can play with physicality in the paint when KG needs a rest. Someone who can matchup physically/athletically against bigger centers.
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Is Wright not more talented than Mozgov?
I don't think we'll need to worry about the "bigger centers". Not in the East.
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For similar money, I would rather have Samuel Dalambert. Actually Dalambert might be cheaper.
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By all means. Another lottery pick who needed some time to bounce around and get his bearings in the league. He has value and should be had on the cheap. Much like T-Will, let's load up on guys like this.
He and Rondo would be magical together. We don't need to be pulling a Carl Crawford on Josh Smith.
this might be an accurate call. wright's limitations have never included physical ability and being a good enough athlete. it was always about motivation. a number of observers noted that intensity and effort are what limit his performances.
he was picked #8 in the first round of the 2007 draft and he just set career highs in minutes (18), points (8.5), and rebounds (4.1).
these are not exactly great numbers, but they are his best numbers after 6 years in the nba.
if if if if wright has decided to use his ability and play to his potential then he might be a great pick up for the celtics.
here is an interesting article from draftexpress about wright when he was in college.
"March 27, 2007
In what is usually the case for Roy Williams’ supremely talented youngster, Brandan Wright once again showed flashes of downright amazing ability against Georgetown this afternoon. ... But at the same time, there were also rough patches. He struggled to finish several times in the second half, and couldn’t contain Jeff Green to save his life... But the real problem came on the defensive end, where Green abused him in pretty much every imaginable manner. Whether it was poor awareness that led to backdoor cuts and easy points, [or Wright's] lack of foot speed on the perimeter, and absolutely no physical intensity or toughness..."
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2SiaG26bE
http://www.draftexpress.com"
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Is Wright not more talented than Mozgov?
I don't think we'll need to worry about the "bigger centers". Not in the East.
No, B.Wright doesn't have the defensive range of Mozgov.
Mozgov is a very effective low post defender who can cover the likes of Dwight Howard or an Andrew Bynum one-on-one on the block. His added size also helps him in other areas defensively both in man-to-man D and with rim protection (different type of shot-blocker than B.Wright -- Wright is more like a Josh Smith type shot-blocker than a typical center like say Roy Hibbert or Marc Gasol who Mozgov is more alike when attempting to block a shot).
Being able to matchup from a physical standpoint against your opponent is so important. Brandan Wright can't do that. Mozgov can. It's one of the reasons why Jeff Green has been so effective as a SF defensively this season. Put guys like that in a strong team defense and they can really flourish.
Offensively, B.Wright is a better finisher around the basket. Maybe marginally better jump-shooter but Mozgov has a capable short jump shot too. They are both pretty similar (except in transition where Wright is much better). So similar offensive skill-set, Wright just a bit more efficient at it (small edge his way). Mozgov capable of setting better screens though.
Rebounding wise, Mozgov's added size and bulk makes him better able to box out and protect the defensive glass. Brandan Wright better at getting rebounds outside his area but doesn't put in enough effort to capitalize on that advantage.
I would rate Mozgov probably in that 10-15 range amongst backup centers but he could improve quickly and move up that list with strong coaching. He is a guy I would love to see Clifford Ray work with. I think he could become a top 20 center in the NBA with Ray's tutelage. A lot of good tools to work with.
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Is Mosgov a good team defender, though?
I worry that he might be too much of a lumbering big. "Small ball" seems to be all the fuss nowadays.
But then again, only one team really does it full time and even they've added a tattoo covered giant.
I'm intrigued. If he could anchor the D a little he'd be exactly what we need.
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Is Wright not more talented than Mozgov?
I don't think we'll need to worry about the "bigger centers". Not in the East.
No, B.Wright doesn't have the defensive range of Mozgov.
Mozgov is a very effective low post defender who can cover the likes of Dwight Howard or an Andrew Bynum one-on-one on the block. His added size also helps him in other areas defensively both in man-to-man D and with rim protection (different type of shot-blocker than B.Wright -- Wright is more like a Josh Smith type shot-blocker than a typical center like say Roy Hibbert or Marc Gasol who Mozgov is more alike when attempting to block a shot).
Being able to matchup from a physical standpoint against your opponent is so important. Brandan Wright can't do that. Mozgov can. It's one of the reasons why Jeff Green has been so effective as a SF defensively this season. Put guys like that in a strong team defense and they can really flourish.
Offensively, B.Wright is a better finisher around the basket. Maybe marginally better jump-shooter but Mozgov has a capable short jump shot too. They are both pretty similar (except in transition where Wright is much better). So similar offensive skill-set, Wright just a bit more efficient at it (small edge his way). Mozgov capable of setting better screens though.
Rebounding wise, Mozgov's added size and bulk makes him better able to box out and protect the defensive glass. Brandan Wright better at getting rebounds outside his area but doesn't put in enough effort to capitalize on that advantage.
I would rate Mozgov probably in that 10-15 range amongst backup centers but he could improve quickly and move up that list with strong coaching. He is a guy I would love to see Clifford Ray work with. I think he could become a top 20 center in the NBA with Ray's tutelage. A lot of good tools to work with.
good stuff once more. thanks hu.
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No, B.Wright doesn't have the defensive range of Mozgov.
Mozgov is a very effective low post defender who can cover the likes of Dwight Howard or an Andrew Bynum one-on-one on the block.
So how come he spent his career glued to the bench on both team he's been on? And he's played in Dwight Howard's conference virtually the entire time.
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Is Mosgov a good team defender, though?
I worry that he might be too much of a lumbering big. "Small ball" seems to be all the fuss nowadays.
But then again, only one team really does it full time and even they've added a tattoo covered giant.
I'm intrigued. If he could anchor the D a little he'd be exactly what we need.
Good team defender = no. Serviceable but below average. Not good. He is not a guy who you are comfortable anchoring and bossing a defense from the backline (for prolonged periods of time) but he is a guy who would you love as your 2nd defensive big alongside KG. I think that would be a phenomenal defensive combination.
Playing alongside KG (PF) rather than instead of KG is where Mozgov will have his most value defensively. I think you would use him similar to how Doc used Stiemsma with part of his playing time with KG and part without. The second area Mozgov will have his most value defensively is as a one-on-one defender against true centers. The Bynums, Howards, Gasols, Cousins, Hibberts, the Tim Duncans. All those guys. Give Boston a second big body to throw on them who is a good one-on-one defender.
Another reason why I think a guy like Josh Smith would be so valuable because he is a guy who could play alongside Mozgov and give him a lot of help defensively. Cover holes. Really tighten up that interior + team defense. And Smith would also be a strong defender to stick alongside Sully.
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His problem on team defense is positioning off the ball. It's not his reading of the game or reaction times. It's his footwork and positioning off the ball. It's a lack of coaching on basic defensive fundamentals. On how to position himself off the ball. He is not in the proper place to make the next move on team defense.
That is why I think it is an area where he can readily improve. That a strong big man coach could really help him and develop his team defense. Shore up that footwork. Why I think someone like Clifford Ray (best big man coach in the NBA) would be so valuable for him.
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Mozgov isn't a plodder. He is an athletic seven footer. Not a freak athlete but a good athlete. Somewhat similar to Gortat in terms of quickness and mobility only in a bigger package (more height, more muscle = 7-1, 270lbs vs 6-11 250lbs) and with better leaping ability. Not a lumbering big.
It's Mozgov's physical talent that makes him so intriguing. Rare combination of height, muscle and mobility.
Mozgov's problem against small-ball is more on the offensive side of the floor. He isn't skilled enough in the low post to consistently take advantage of smaller weaker defenders. Nor is he a dominant defender/rebounder merely an adequate one. So there isn't any added value in keeping him on the floor against smaller lineups.
In other words, teams are and will be able to go small on Mozgov fairly effectively + they will regularly be able to force Doc into a lineup change by doing so.
Mozgov's main utility will be against bigger lineups.
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No, B.Wright doesn't have the defensive range of Mozgov.
Mozgov is a very effective low post defender who can cover the likes of Dwight Howard or an Andrew Bynum one-on-one on the block.
So how come he spent his career glued to the bench on both team he's been on? And he's played in Dwight Howard's conference virtually the entire time.
In New York, Mozgov played regularly under D'Antoni in a small minute role. In Denver, Mozgov has been stuck behind Kosta Koufos and Nene or JaVale McGee. All of whom would play ahead of Brandan Wright also.
Somewhere above I said I rated Mozgov somewhere in the 10-15 range amongst backup centers. That is how good I think he is. Basically that are 40+ centers in the league who are better than Mozgov is right now.
Mozgov is anywhere from a 10-12mpg to a 15-20mpg type backup. A team could also make do with Mozgov as a low level low minute starter (16-22mpg) due to his superior physical gifts, good man-to-man defense and adequate overall defender/rebounding contributions. Similar to the role Koufos has in Denver.
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No, B.Wright doesn't have the defensive range of Mozgov.
Mozgov is a very effective low post defender who can cover the likes of Dwight Howard or an Andrew Bynum one-on-one on the block.
So how come he spent his career glued to the bench on both team he's been on? And he's played in Dwight Howard's conference virtually the entire time.
In New York, Mozgov played regularly under D'Antoni in a small minute role. In Denver, Mozgov has been stuck behind Kosta Koufos and Nene or JaVale McGee. All of whom would play ahead of Brandan Wright also.
Somewhere above I said I rated Mozgov somewhere in the 10-15 range amongst backup centers. That is how good I think he is. Basically that are 40+ centers in the league who are better than Mozgov is right now.
Mozgov is anywhere from a 10-12mpg to a 15-20mpg type backup. A team could also make do with Mozgov as a low level low minute starter (16-22mpg) due to his superior physical gifts, good man-to-man defense and adequate overall defender/rebounding contributions. Similar to the role Koufos has in Denver.
The problem is Mozgov is nothing like Koufos -- Koufos is a higher-motor, more athletic player who actually has some skills.
My problem is I'll be hard-pressed to name 15 backup centers in the NBA that are worse than Mozgov.
I don't think he's worth the trouble -- my indication for that is that both times he's on a new team, he was player somewhat regularly (likely based on the same conjecture you laid out above), except that lasted half a season to a season and then he dropped off the playing time radar. I just don't see him as a guy who can be counted on for 15 minutes of solid play.
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For similar money, I would rather have Samuel Dalambert. Actually Dalambert might be cheaper.
Samesies
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A lot of great responses here. As a fan of Brandan Wright's game and fit for this ball club, I'm actually fairly encouraged by a lot of what I've been reading. I was afraid that the majority opinion would be that he will be out of our price range. That doesn't seem to be the case.