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Title: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: bfrombleacher on May 07, 2013, 05:09:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9s1IzYWng

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The guy doesn't really offer anything at all on either end of the floor

I keep going back to this but you can't help but wonder what Krstic would have done.

OKC's brand of basketball is just eye-gouging.

Go Grizz!
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Yogi on May 07, 2013, 05:58:03 AM
The analysis on Perkins is terrible.  Every shot they showed the Grizzlies make was a long contested jumper with a hand in their face, or a difficult contested hook shot.  Every shot Perkins took was wide open and or done with 5 seconds or less on the clock.  Just awful, awful analysis.  It is nothing like Griffin and Jordan who played awful defense and gave up lay ups and wide open shots.  This is an example of Z Bo and Marc making tough shots just like Durant does on the other end.  You say good shot and move on.
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Celtics4ever on May 07, 2013, 06:32:54 AM
Perk is a shadow of himself.  The guy is a warrior.
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: BballTim on May 07, 2013, 06:38:34 AM
The analysis on Perkins is terrible.  Every shot they showed the Grizzlies make was a long contested jumper with a hand in their face, or a difficult contested hook shot.  Every shot Perkins took was wide open and or done with 5 seconds or less on the clock.  Just awful, awful analysis.  It is nothing like Griffin and Jordan who played awful defense and gave up lay ups and wide open shots.  This is an example of Z Bo and Marc making tough shots just like Durant does on the other end.  You say good shot and move on.

  I didn't see the game but I've seen a few of this guy's videos posted here when I did see the game and I can't believe people spend much time watching that. He comes up with a narrative and finds a couple of clips to support his stance regardless of the overall game. Each team has 90 or so possessions a game, you could make any player look like a bad defender or DPOY candidate by picking 5-6 plays out of those 90+. And what was the criticism of Perk on that first play when Randolph scored over Ibaka?
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Roy H. on May 07, 2013, 10:45:00 AM
The analysis on Perkins is terrible.  Every shot they showed the Grizzlies make was a long contested jumper with a hand in their face, or a difficult contested hook shot.  Every shot Perkins took was wide open and or done with 5 seconds or less on the clock.  Just awful, awful analysis.  It is nothing like Griffin and Jordan who played awful defense and gave up lay ups and wide open shots.  This is an example of Z Bo and Marc making tough shots just like Durant does on the other end.  You say good shot and move on.

  I didn't see the game but I've seen a few of this guy's videos posted here when I did see the game and I can't believe people spend much time watching that. He comes up with a narrative and finds a couple of clips to support his stance regardless of the overall game. Each team has 90 or so possessions a game, you could make any player look like a bad defender or DPOY candidate by picking 5-6 plays out of those 90+. And what was the criticism of Perk on that first play when Randolph scored over Ibaka?

I concur.  His analysis tends to be pretty shallow, and often, counter-factual.
Title: Anyone watching Kendrick Perkins in OKC vs Memphis series? (video analysis too)
Post by: chambers on May 08, 2013, 09:38:54 AM
two words.
Straight Garbage.

I mean it's laughable how bad he's playing. He can't guard Zeebo or Gasol and he's missing wide open layups. Just atrocious- doesn't protect the paint and has zero lift and zero athleticism.
I've always thought he was on the decline since the surgery but man he's just plain awful against any skilled big man.
Here's a good video detailing some of his faults pretty well, although if you've watched him this playoffs the trend is typical. He's long gone come FA time if not before then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN9s1IzYWng
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: CelticG1 on May 08, 2013, 09:56:37 AM
The analysis on Perkins is terrible.  Every shot they showed the Grizzlies make was a long contested jumper with a hand in their face, or a difficult contested hook shot.  Every shot Perkins took was wide open and or done with 5 seconds or less on the clock.  Just awful, awful analysis.  It is nothing like Griffin and Jordan who played awful defense and gave up lay ups and wide open shots.  This is an example of Z Bo and Marc making tough shots just like Durant does on the other end.  You say good shot and move on.

  I didn't see the game but I've seen a few of this guy's videos posted here when I did see the game and I can't believe people spend much time watching that. He comes up with a narrative and finds a couple of clips to support his stance regardless of the overall game. Each team has 90 or so possessions a game, you could make any player look like a bad defender or DPOY candidate by picking 5-6 plays out of those 90+. And what was the criticism of Perk on that first play when Randolph scored over Ibaka?

That honestly sounds like evey analysts live broadcast or taped broadcast.

I really don't see the difference between this and CSNNE, ESPN, TNT etc.
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Fafnir on May 08, 2013, 09:59:09 AM
The analysis on Perkins is terrible.  Every shot they showed the Grizzlies make was a long contested jumper with a hand in their face, or a difficult contested hook shot.  Every shot Perkins took was wide open and or done with 5 seconds or less on the clock.  Just awful, awful analysis.  It is nothing like Griffin and Jordan who played awful defense and gave up lay ups and wide open shots.  This is an example of Z Bo and Marc making tough shots just like Durant does on the other end.  You say good shot and move on.

  I didn't see the game but I've seen a few of this guy's videos posted here when I did see the game and I can't believe people spend much time watching that. He comes up with a narrative and finds a couple of clips to support his stance regardless of the overall game. Each team has 90 or so possessions a game, you could make any player look like a bad defender or DPOY candidate by picking 5-6 plays out of those 90+. And what was the criticism of Perk on that first play when Randolph scored over Ibaka?

That honestly sounds like evey analysts live broadcast or taped broadcast.

I really don't see the difference between this and CSNNE, ESPN, TNT etc.
The difference is, that this guy has put out several videos that were flat out wrong when he 'broke down' the tape.

After I watched a few of those where he didn't correctly analyze the play when people first started posting them, I stopped watching them entirely.

Other analysts might say things I disagree with, but they usually don't provide a tape breakdown that's just wrong with what's happening.
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: scaryjerry on May 08, 2013, 10:03:45 AM
Is it just me or did perks defense on Gasol with the game on the line essentially win the game? Meh
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: CapnDunks on May 08, 2013, 10:20:49 AM
Is it just me or did perks defense on Gasol with the game on the line essentially win the game? Meh
I agree.
"Inexplicably they do not post up Gasol or Zbo"
Meanwhile you can see perk and ibaka keeping them out of the post. Idk what's up with this dude.
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: SHAQATTACK on May 08, 2013, 10:22:30 AM
......that dude thinks Perk is awful..... :D

dang ..he slammed Perk around with those comments like a little red headed step child


He talked like Perk was a worthless D Leaguer or something
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Monkhouse on May 08, 2013, 10:23:45 AM
Good. I hope this is how everyone fan in OKC thinks of Perkins, considering his MPG in the playoffs were pretty low.

Then I hope OKC amnesties him, and Perkins decides to come to Celtics for 1-4 million considering his contract is already being paid for.

 :P
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Roy H. on May 08, 2013, 10:27:08 AM
......that dude thinks Perk is awful..... :D

dang ..he slammed Perk around with those comments like a little red headed step child


He talked like Perk was a worthless D Leaguer or something

"Coach Nick" also says he "doesn't see it" in terms of Perk being a good defender.

This is the same Kendrick Perkins who rated out as a top-20 defender in the entire NBA in terms of points allowed per possession.

I wouldn't let "Coach Nick" coach in an intramural beer league.
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Fafnir on May 08, 2013, 10:34:57 AM
......that dude thinks Perk is awful..... :D

dang ..he slammed Perk around with those comments like a little red headed step child


He talked like Perk was a worthless D Leaguer or something

"Coach Nick" also says he "doesn't see it" in terms of Perk being a good defender.

This is the same Kendrick Perkins who rated out as a top-20 defender in the entire NBA in terms of points allowed per possession.

I wouldn't let "Coach Nick" coach in an intramural beer league.
I feel bad for Perkins, he's lost the athleticism he had in Boston but he's still playing smart and tough defense.

Ibaka just isn't KG, and it exposes Perkins to a ton more blame on the defensive end when its out of his hands.

Now offensively, yeah Perkins is a massive problem. He's turned into Joel Anthony....
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: BballTim on May 08, 2013, 10:37:55 AM
......that dude thinks Perk is awful..... :D

dang ..he slammed Perk around with those comments like a little red headed step child


He talked like Perk was a worthless D Leaguer or something

"Coach Nick" also says he "doesn't see it" in terms of Perk being a good defender.

This is the same Kendrick Perkins who rated out as a top-20 defender in the entire NBA in terms of points allowed per possession.

I wouldn't let "Coach Nick" coach in an intramural beer league.

  I might, just for the humor effect.
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Eddie20 on May 08, 2013, 10:40:38 AM
Then I hope OKC amnesties him, and Perkins decides to come to Celtics for 1-4 million considering his contract is already being paid for.

I wish, but a team with cap will probably make an offer.
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Monkhouse on May 08, 2013, 10:46:44 AM
Then I hope OKC amnesties him, and Perkins decides to come to Celtics for 1-4 million considering his contract is already being paid for.

I wish, but a team with cap will probably make an offer.

How much would Perkins have to be paid in order for a team with cap to pick him up? And based on his years at OKC, would anyone even want him? There are going to be plenty of free agent bigs that offensively are better than Perkins. And Perkins hasn't been playing like his Boston self, if anything paying anything more than 5-7 million for him right now seems ridiculous.

I don't exactly know the full details, but someone just has to match a higher offer, more like a bid, to be able to sign Perkins right?
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: fairweatherfan on May 08, 2013, 11:11:02 AM
Then I hope OKC amnesties him, and Perkins decides to come to Celtics for 1-4 million considering his contract is already being paid for.

I wish, but a team with cap will probably make an offer.

How much would Perkins have to be paid in order for a team with cap to pick him up? And based on his years at OKC, would anyone even want him? There are going to be plenty of free agent bigs that offensively are better than Perkins. And Perkins hasn't been playing like his Boston self, if anything paying anything more than 5-7 million for him right now seems ridiculous.

I don't exactly know the full details, but someone just has to match a higher offer, more like a bid, to be able to sign Perkins right?

Any team with cap space (i.e. almost certainly not us) can place a bid.  Bids are blind - you don't know what anyone else is bidding - and you only get one bid.  Minimum bid is vet minimum, I think.  Highest bid wins the player and the winning team pays that portion of his salary.

Teams may not want to pay Perk his current salary but I have a hard time believing nobody under the cap would even take a vet min flier to pick him up.
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: KGs Knee on May 08, 2013, 11:32:01 AM
Not even going to waste my time watching this.  I don't think I've ever once seen a legitimate analysis of anything on Youtube.

Youtube=fail
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: chambers on May 08, 2013, 01:51:51 PM
Not even going to waste my time watching this.  I don't think I've ever once seen a legitimate analysis of anything on Youtube.

Youtube=fail

You should definitely watch it.
I'm not sure some of the critics of Coach Nick here have. He's got excellent analysis- sometimes he nit picks but he's 100% right in this instance. It's funny because people say he goes looking for film to prove his theories- but his critics do the exact same thing with his videos when looking for faults.
He over emphasizes one point and it means he's over-reacting on all of the multiple (and excellent) examples he's brought up.
Watch some of his analysis regarding Bulls vs Miami game 1 or Knicks vs Pacers game 1.

You can't deny how poor Perk has become- this is evidence and it breaks a lot of Celtic hearts to see him struggle like this- particularly those that vouch for him still being on the team or not being traded when he was.

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2594687/kendrickperkinsstinks.gif)
Title: Re: Bballbreakdown slams Perk in 2013 Grizz/Thunder Game 1 recap
Post by: Fafnir on May 08, 2013, 01:56:28 PM
Not even going to waste my time watching this.  I don't think I've ever once seen a legitimate analysis of anything on Youtube.

Youtube=fail

You should definitely watch it.
I'm not sure some of the critics of Coach Nick here have. He's got excellent analysis- sometimes he nit picks but he's 100% right in this instance.
Perkins has been bad this series, mostly on offense though. Just awful turnovers, decisions, passes, and weak shots.

As for Coach Nick, we just disagree that he's a good analyst. I haven't watched this particular video though, its his past work that I judged him on.