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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: krook on May 04, 2013, 09:57:52 AM
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what shall we do on fab melo. put in d-league for another year?
trade filler?
play 10minutes a game?
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I think the D-League is a waste of time for a player like Fab Melo. There just aren't enough NBA caliber athletes / defensive players in the D-League at the center position for a player like Fab Melo to develop properly. I believe it would be better to keep Fab Melo on the team and let him learn through practices. So that is what I want to happen.
I don't expect Fab Melo to contribute anything next year. I expect him to be the 4th string center. By year three, I would like to see him ready to take some backup center minutes.
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YEs..i hear a lot of talk about the guy....but he never has been seen playing...garbage time doesn't count.....doc or some coach needs to play him real time...and in the play too.....if you cannot use all 5 of the guys on the floor....you don't belong being coach.....plenty of tim e to play fab in oct-nov.......see what he can do.....a rebounding shot blocker is valuable in this league....a few dunks..some ref respect..goes a long way...! He is fast on his feet.....hire olajuwan to teach him....he was a soccer player too....!
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I dont know why to kepp Melo, Dj White, Crwford & Co if they do not play art all??? Doid you see them playnig Vs NYK? Why to pay them? For staying on the bench?
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Them not playing is not their choice.....doc never played melo, white.....Crawford is closer to being a player..still a little wildhe needs to develop a few standards over the summer.one consistant shot....ect....this is docs limits as a coach..enter popovich....he plays guys....makes them develop....get them seen....at least for trades......that is what oct, nov-dec is FOR......you drafted/signed themyou MUSt have seen something in them...now follow up and do your job as coach....!!!
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doc is a lazy coach.
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As soon as you see Melo in summer league you'll know if he's going to be an NBA player. If he comes in in shape the raw talent is there.
Could go either way. Could be the next Perk or JaJuan Johnson.
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I think the D-League is a waste of time for a player like Fab Melo. There just aren't enough NBA caliber athletes / defensive players in the D-League at the center position for a player like Fab Melo to develop properly. I believe it would be better to keep Fab Melo on the team and let him learn through practices. So that is what I want to happen.
I don't expect Fab Melo to contribute anything next year. I expect him to be the 4th string center. By year three, I would like to see him ready to take some backup center minutes.
melo can train under KG.....even some of Wilcox....shav even....I agree, he needs to play NBA to be NBA.....even Indiana did it with hibbert....he was very raw.....splitter too.....doc is so closed minded...especially to BIG men....doc also got eaten up by wooodson by playing his game...ny had only one big...we should have sent in shav, Wilcox, kg...green twill..go at them big and hard....that is an attacking lineup...!
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Fab Melo is a great big turkey.
Between August and January of next season, he's going to be packaged with other flotsam and shipped off for a future second round pick.
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He seemed very lost this year. But a lot of young NBA big men are projects. If you are willing to invest the time and resources, he could become a serviceable player. Do the Celtics have a big man coach still?
*my last memories of him this season was a sweet up and under move. :)
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fab melo is a
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Lol at the people criticizing Doc for not playing Fab Melo and DJ White.
People do realize he was worried about putting a team out there who could run an offense well enough to compete in the playoffs, right?
And that didn't happen so obviously Fab and DJ should have played less if anything.
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I think the D-League is a waste of time for a player like Fab Melo. There just aren't enough NBA caliber athletes / defensive players in the D-League at the center position for a player like Fab Melo to develop properly. I believe it would be better to keep Fab Melo on the team and let him learn through practices. So that is what I want to happen.
I don't expect Fab Melo to contribute anything next year. I expect him to be the 4th string center. By year three, I would like to see him ready to take some backup center minutes.
Agree with this. Ideally he'd be able to help us by the end of the upcoming season, but I think Year 3 is the time when you really sit down and decide if he's panning out.
Having said that, I'm certainly not allowing him to be the sticking point in any worthwhile trade. If somebody needs Melo as a sweetener in some hypothetical Pierce-for-prospect deal, then I'm not stressing over it.
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He is a project. What do you expect he was hardly a dominant college player?
He has a first round contract which is guarenteed for X amount of years.
He can't rebound at all. That zone the Cuse plays hides a lot of weakness in a player.
This has very little to do with Doc and more to do with Fab's bad hands and lack of ability.
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He is a project. What do you expect he was hardly a dominant college player?
He has a first round contract which is guarenteed for X amount of years.
He can't rebound at all. That zone the Cuse plays hides a lot of weakness in a player.
This has very little to do with Doc and more to do with Fab's bad hands and lack of ability.
roy hibbert?
meyers leonard?
hasheem tabheet?
hamed haddadi?
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I like his attitude and understand the signing due to his RAW talent which could develop or might not ever become an nba player. give me more shav as backup big next year
AND if kg is gone give me a quality big
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kinda be nice to see where he is at in another year. If the Celtics are rebuilding totally, then I guess he is cheap and he can learn as part of a 18 win team will a new coach. He'll get to play a lot. and either stick or be traded.
If Doc comes back, he'll probablly be traded as part an upgrade deal to bring in a sorely needed center.
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clearly melo has more talent and skills than perk did as a rookie, by far. so waiting and keeping melo as the 15th man is not a huge investment to make. it worked once before.
i did not like melo in college since he only played zone and i am not convinced yet he can be a good nba center, but he might be since he has shown flashes of talent. and since decent centers are like hens' teeth, he is a good lottery ticket for the celtics to have.
my biggest concern from watching melo is that he seems to lack a real desire to grab rebounds. i can forgive that he is new to basketball. fine. but what bothered me was watching him wait for rebounds to fall to him. rarely did he push anyone out of the way and fight for a rebound. almost never did he go out of his way to get a rebound.
i am hoping this part can be taught to him...fighting for rebounds with passion. it's possible for him to learn. i have already seen that he learned to box out better.
melo has talent. he now needs to develop a mean streak similar to rodman or barkley or bird. that is, he has to think that each and every rebound is his and his alone. and be willing to fight like hell for it.
if he can develop that attitude he can rebound credibly. combine that with his slowly improving offensive game and his already excellent shot blocking and he have a credible nba center.
he is worth the gamble.
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Should We Keep Fab Melo Next Year? Why? Staying on the bench polishing Docs shoes?
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I would be more then happy to load him off in a trade to get a real center. Thats if we are planning on winning now. If not then keep him and see what happens. I never saw him play once this year. I know he got some garbage time but those times i must have turned the tv off or wasn't watching in general.
From what i read from you guys is that he is awful. Granted he is just a rookie but sometimes guys just don't have it or want it, and perhaps he thinks he is good enough and doesn't put the work in. Again i have no facts to put into that assumption. But if he doesn't end up being at least a bench center in this league then i feel that would be the reason why.
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what shall we do on fab melo. put in d-league for another year?
trade filler?
play 10minutes a game?
I think Melo was a complete waste of a draft pick.
I'd gladly package him as trade filler. However, good luck with that; Washington preferred Jason Collins to Melo, so it looks like at least some teams feel that he has negative trade value.
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Gotta get him experience, especially against the teams that go big or the lower tier teams of the league.
Playing him some against the Bobcats, Suns and Kings would be good. Gotta mold him within the team setting. He needs that direction and will only learn by doing.
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what shall we do on fab melo. put in d-league for another year?
trade filler?
play 10minutes a game?
I think Melo was a complete waste of a draft pick.
I'd gladly package him as trade filler. However, good luck with that; Washington preferred Jason Collins to Melo, so it looks like at least some teams feel that he has negative trade value.
Essentially, Washington said "We'd rather have expiring contracts than pay Melo $1.3m". Not good.
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didn't like the Melo pick when it was made and still dubious of his potential. knew this was a pick that would take until his 3rd year to be of any possible use.
I'd use him as trade filler but if Danny keeps him, he's D-league material for another year. Optimistically, he could develop enough to be the 3rd string center for the 2014-2015 season and possibly progress to be the 2nd string center IF we're lucky.
even with an optimisic view, he's still a wasted pick because there were a number of players taken after him that showed more promise (or have already shown more promise).
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At this point, no reason to move him. Let him continue to develop.
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what shall we do on fab melo. put in d-league for another year?
trade filler?
play 10minutes a game?
I think Melo was a complete waste of a draft pick.
I'd gladly package him as trade filler. However, good luck with that; Washington preferred Jason Collins to Melo, so it looks like at least some teams feel that he has negative trade value.
Essentially, Washington said "We'd rather have expiring contracts than pay Melo $1.3m". Not good.
Essentially, you're saying you trust the Wizards in the area of talent evaluation.
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what shall we do on fab melo. put in d-league for another year?
trade filler?
play 10minutes a game?
I think Melo was a complete waste of a draft pick.
I'd gladly package him as trade filler. However, good luck with that; Washington preferred Jason Collins to Melo, so it looks like at least some teams feel that he has negative trade value.
Essentially, Washington said "We'd rather have expiring contracts than pay Melo $1.3m". Not good.
Essentially, you're saying you trust the Wizards in the area of talent evaluation.
Well, a lot of people think they did good drafting Wall and Beal.
I don't think their talent evaluating skills are the problem, so much as their ability to develop said talent is a problem. It also seems like their making efforts to fix that problem.
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I think you give him as long as he has guaranteed money to develop...unless you can get a team to give up value for him, then you sell, sell, sell.
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I think you give him as long as he has guaranteed money to develop...unless you can get a team to give up value for him, then you sell, sell, sell.
ainge was trying on both sully and pj3
how can you play both pf at the same time?
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I really don't see why we would get rid of him. I want to see him develop here and contribute. He can shot block and rebound. He just needs to be thrown out there with tha sharks and learn how to play in tha NBA. Tha D-League isn't doing him much justice. It helps but I want to see him out there in real NBA games against guys like Hibbert and Lopez. He's probably tha last guy we have with size.
I still have my hopes for Fab Melo.
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Should We Keep Fab Melo Next Year? Why? Staying on the bench polishing Docs shoes?
Somebody is going to sit on the bench...might as well be a 7 footer who might develop into something.
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Should We Keep Fab Melo Next Year? Why? Staying on the bench polishing Docs shoes?
Somebody is going to sit on the bench...might as well be a 7 footer who might develop into something.
Yeah, but we were talking about Fab Melo. ;)
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Can someone give me an example of someone who at first looked as hopeless as he did on the court, but then blossomed into a decent center?
I'm not asking that question sarcastically/rhetorically/whatever. I really want to know if Melo has a chance.
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Can someone give me an example of someone who at first looked as hopeless as he did on the court, but then blossomed into a decent center?
I'm not asking that question sarcastically/rhetorically/whatever. I really want to know if Melo has a chance.
People will say Perk, but 1) I disagree that Perk was ever that bad, and 2) Perk was a lot younger.
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Should We Keep Fab Melo Next Year? Why? Staying on the bench polishing Docs shoes?
Somebody is going to sit on the bench...might as well be a 7 footer who might develop into something.
Yeah, but we were talking about Fab Melo. ;)
:P
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Can someone give me an example of someone who at first looked as hopeless as he did on the court, but then blossomed into a decent center?
I'm not asking that question sarcastically/rhetorically/whatever. I really want to know if Melo has a chance.
People will say Perk, but 1) I disagree that Perk was ever that bad, and 2) Perk was a lot younger.
That's what I feared.
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Can someone give me an example of someone who at first looked as hopeless as he did on the court, but then blossomed into a decent center?
I'm not asking that question sarcastically/rhetorically/whatever. I really want to know if Melo has a chance.
People will say Perk, but 1) I disagree that Perk was ever that bad, and 2) Perk was a lot younger.
Yes. Melo is 22 and he has not even shown enough promise to get garbage minutes on a big man-starved team.
At that same age Perk was a starting center, and one year away from being the center on an NBA championship team, averaging 7 pts, 6 reb and 1.5 blocks in 25 mpg.
World of difference between the two so far.
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He looked pretty good back in December when he had that ridicolous triple double - 15 points, 16 rebounds, 14 blocks - followed by 32 points, 9 rebounds and 9 blocks in the next game. But he doesn't have the basic skills to put it all together and keep it together.
The potential to be in the rotation is definitely there, but he needs to practice with a big man coach all summer this year and next.
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Them not playing is not their choice.....doc never played melo, white.....this is docs limits as a coach..enter popovich....he plays guys....makes them develop..now follow up and do your job as coach....!!!
doc is a lazy coach.
Should We Keep Fab Melo Next Year? Why? Staying on the bench polishing Docs shoes?
These comments and my Perkins comparison reminded me: I just went back and looked at the numbers, and during the 06-07 season we had the following minute allocation:
Player Age Exp MPG
Perkins 22 3 20
Rondo 20 R 23
Powe 23 R 11
Those same guys played even more in 07-08 (and two of them started!), when our other rookie Big Baby was also getting significant minutes.
After we fire Doc because he holds back rookies like Fab by not playing them, we should find out who was the Celtics coach in 2006-2007, and re-hire that guy.
That guy loved playing rookies!
He knew how to develop young talent into All-Stars!
He started two guys who were 21 and 23!!
He played rookies even on a championship team!!
!!!!
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what shall we do on fab melo. put in d-league for another year?
trade filler?
play 10minutes a game?
I think Melo was a complete waste of a draft pick.
I'd gladly package him as trade filler. However, good luck with that; Washington preferred Jason Collins to Melo, so it looks like at least some teams feel that he has negative trade value.
Essentially, Washington said "We'd rather have expiring contracts than pay Melo $1.3m". Not good.
Essentially, you're saying you trust the Wizards in the area of talent evaluation.
Well, a lot of people think they did good drafting Wall and Beal.
I don't think their talent evaluating skills are the problem, so much as their ability to develop said talent is a problem. It also seems like their making efforts to fix that problem.
not to hijack the topic but...
Developing talent is the problem yes. But giving them credit for drafting Wall is ludicrous, he was the clear #1 pick, a 12 year old would have taken him.
I'll give them some credit for Beal, but what about selecting Jan Vescely with the #6 pick?? Theyve also drafted some horribly selfish and/or stupid players...JaVale McGee, Nick Young, Andre Blatche....
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Oh, and I think Fabs celing as a player is a less coordinated JaVale McGee.
eeek.
However, if we're gonna rebuild, there's no point in getting rid of him
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Lol at the people criticizing Doc for not playing Fab Melo and DJ White.
People do realize he was worried about putting a team out there who could run an offense well enough to compete in the playoffs, right?
And that didn't happen so obviously Fab and DJ should have played less if anything.
A tired pp turning the ball over is running the offense? How bout doc insert some bigs to defend to create offense. And please don't tell me these players couldn't find a spot in the rotation. If you can't find minutes for a 6'10- 7'0 guy that's played college and pro ball then you're a complete moron.
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This is not a big picture decision. He's not that valuable. If he's filler he's filler.
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Is there any advantage in getting rid of him?
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
Let's get to the end of his rookie contract and then worry about whether we need to dump him.
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
Why not?
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I'm actually pretty high on Fab's potential - I think he can be a defensive weapon
the only thing that bothers me is his mental approach - he doesn't have that snarl that Perkins has - more of a goofball like Javale McGee
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
Am not as down on this pick as some are. There's still time.
Would not mind to have gotten Moultrie or Ezeli instead though. (Just found out there are 22 and 23 respectively...could see where Ainge was coming from).
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
Why not?
Because it's a waste of a draft pick and a roster spot. I would guess that the vast majority of guys who are as clueless as Fab at age 22 are never going to "get it".
I should add the caveat that you don't draft such a player 1) in the first round, and 2) unless you can stash him overseas while he develops.
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fab melo is like meyers leonard of portland trail blazers
and hasheem thabeet of oklahoma city thunder
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
Why not?
Because it's a waste of a draft pick and a roster spot. I would guess that the vast majority of guys who are as clueless as Fab at age 22 are never going to "get it".
I should add the caveat that you don't draft such a player 1) in the first round, and 2) unless you can stash him overseas while he develops.
I think having to stash the player overseas is less of an issue since they increased the roster sizes to 15.
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
At the same time - isn't one of the biggest 'mistakes' this teams made in the past couple years not gambling on DeAndre Jordan and instead selecting Giddens?
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Makes me wonder where Fab would have gone in this years draft...
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
At the same time - isn't one of the biggest 'mistakes' this teams made in the past couple years not gambling on DeAndre Jordan and instead selecting Giddens?
I think Jordan was 20. Not sure how much those 2 years mean to Roy's point though. But I would think those are two key years in a young player development.
Also, I think Jordan was more of an impact player in college than Melo was.
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
At the same time - isn't one of the biggest 'mistakes' this teams made in the past couple years not gambling on DeAndre Jordan and instead selecting Giddens?
I think Jordan was 20. Not sure how much those 2 years mean to Roy's point though. But I would think those are two key years in a young player development.
Also, I think Jordan was more of an impact player in college than Melo was.
Just doing some real quick math - in Fab's sophmore season he averaged 8 points, 6 rebounds and 3 blocks in about 25 minutes a game in college. So he was pretty impactful
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give him another 1-2 years , he'll either make it or he won't...
people make choices and you live with it and move on.
Celtics have a history of trading off players that they should have kept.....as do alot of other teams....
he'd just be another bad choice , should he pan out.after DA dumps him.
Won't be the first or last time GM's will mess up at Boston . Next GM maybe twice as LUCKY as DA or saddled with tons of worse decisions than DA
Its all what it is.
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Yeah if you're trying to find a big man low in the draft, you're going to be gambling one way or the other.
Undersized, underdeveloped, health issues, etc.
You just hope to get a hit for every swing or two in the end. Also you should cut bait quickly if necessary. (aka JJJ)
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
Why not?
Because it's a waste of a draft pick and a roster spot. I would guess that the vast majority of guys who are as clueless as Fab at age 22 are never going to "get it".
I should add the caveat that you don't draft such a player 1) in the first round, and 2) unless you can stash him overseas while he develops.
I think having to stash the player overseas is less of an issue since they increased the roster sizes to 15.
I disagree. Stashing a player overseas allows them to develop on somebody else's dime, without eating up contract years.
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
Why not?
Because it's a waste of a draft pick and a roster spot. I would guess that the vast majority of guys who are as clueless as Fab at age 22 are never going to "get it".
I should add the caveat that you don't draft such a player 1) in the first round, and 2) unless you can stash him overseas while he develops.
I think having to stash the player overseas is less of an issue since they increased the roster sizes to 15.
I disagree. Stashing a player overseas allows them to develop on somebody else's dime, without eating up contract years.
I agree, but I only see value in this if you can draft someone really young, so having them play 3 or so years overseas is pretty much like going to college.
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Fab Melo has potential, as far as I'm concerned, we got a big man simply cause he would be able to clog up the paint, and rebound/block. And because KG refused to come back next year, if that wasn't our priority. Which is why I'm 100% positive we'll draft a big man, since that has been a priority that KG made to our attention.
Fab Melo can do all of these in D-League, the only problem is getting his footwork, and his ability to dissect plays improved. I don't care if hes still slow, as long as he hustles for the rebound. His boxing out also needs a lot of work. But that comes with the territory of a project big man. Doc really doesn't like rookies at all... And yet somehow Sully managed to impress Doc, so I guess it goes both way in a non traditional route.
Either impress the Doc with dedicated work ethic, or don't and be strapped tightly into the doghouse.
I suspect with the 16th pick, that we may or may not choose to keep Fab Melo once the next trade deadline occurs. He may be trade bait if he doesn't improve his defense at least.
All we really need is another Perkins. Even if he has no offense, if Fab can contribute 1.1 BPG, and at least 4.5 RPG under 20 minutes with solid defense I don't see why he won't get minutes.
I'm really hoping Jefferson, Smith, or Perkins come here in the off season. Praying Smith or Jefferson takes a huge pay cut, or Perkins come here basically for free if he gets amnestied to play with his friends.
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Melo will be useful if we're trying to tank - the kind of guy that can make you much worse while getting better himself.
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
This is probably true. If you're drafting a project big man, he should probably be 18 or 19 years old.
Still, we've crossed the Rubikon on that one. We invested the first round pick in the guy, so we might as well see if we can get a serviceable rotation player out of him. No sense in just throwing him to the curb after a year when -- surprise! -- the raw project big man isn't an NBA player after one season of playing in the D-league.
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I'm actually pretty high on Fab's potential - I think he can be a defensive weapon
the only thing that bothers me is his mental approach - he doesn't have that snarl that Perkins has - more of a goofball like Javale McGee
Yeah, that's a good point.
Javale McGee has all the physical talent in the world to help make up for it.
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Seeing that getting rid of him would bring the team absolutely nothing but a roster spot - he's still on his rookie contract - there is NO POINT in getting rid of him.
Continue to develop him, and if you do not feel he fits into the team's future plans, then include him in a trade package. Alone he would bring back nothing in a trade. Right now, he's barely trade filler.
What I would do is hire someone like Hakeem or Parish to work with Melo all summer long, and I would push him hard in training camp. I would do everything possible to get him on the big league roster next season. If he's not capable of playing a few minutes a night by the end of next season then I would place him in the trade filler category.
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Fab Melo has potential, as far as I'm concerned, we got a big man simply cause he would be able to clog up the paint, and rebound/block.
Don't expect Melo to be much of a rebounder. He wasn't great in college, and he was pretty mediocre in the D-League. With his size, he should have been dominant on the boards, and instead he ranked 76th (!!) in the league. It wasn't an issue of minutes, either; he ranked 96th in rebounds per minute.
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Fab Melo has potential, as far as I'm concerned, we got a big man simply cause he would be able to clog up the paint, and rebound/block.
Don't expect Melo to be much of a rebounder. He wasn't great in college, and he was pretty mediocre in the D-League. With his size, he should have been dominant on the boards, and instead he ranked 76th (!!) in the league.
The D-League*
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I wonder if Melo was Ryan McDonough's call, and if so, whether he might be interested in acquiring him with some of those picks that Phoenix has stockpiled.
In addition to their own picks (less a 2013 2nd rounder that is going to Houston), Phoenix has:
a 2013 1st rounder from Miami,
a 2013 2nd rounder from Denver,
a lottery-protected 2014 1st rounder from Minnesota,
a 2014 2nd rounder from Toronto or Sacramento (provided neither are in the top 36)
a 2015 1st rounder from the Lakers
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You don't dump a raw project big man after 1 year.
You don't draft a 22 year old raw project big man in the first place.
Why not?
Because it's a waste of a draft pick and a roster spot. I would guess that the vast majority of guys who are as clueless as Fab at age 22 are never going to "get it".
I should add the caveat that you don't draft such a player 1) in the first round, and 2) unless you can stash him overseas while he develops.
i was not enamored with by ainge's pick of melo, but melo is on the celtics, so that boat has sailed.
his age is a factor as is pointed out, especially when comparing melo to perk development. however, what may be just as important is that melo starting playing basket late in life, at least late compared to most nba types. he simply doesnt know the game very well at this point.
next, melo makes low money by nba standards and it is a sunk cost. he obviously has more physical skills than perk will ever have. also, melo has improved some aspects of his game while in maine.
so, how many of his current limitations are "he will never get it" mental and how many are "he is new to basketball, he can learn it eventually" mental? i dont know.
will he ever be as good, or even better, than our beloved steamer? (who took years to develop and produced 2.9 pts and 3.4 rbs in 14 minutes for the celtics.) i dont know.
but given that he might be at least a passable backup in the nba, i dont see any significant cost in keeping him around for the duration of his rookie contract.
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Some players need a little time to develop. Chauncey Billips is still a very useful player in this league long after Pitino cut him for not being productive. There are many times I wished that trade had never happened.
There are also plenty of draft picks that never see the court...does that mean that scouts/GMs are clueless? How many minutes has Greg Oden played in his career? Was that pick as bad as Melo? Has Oden been cut yet to make room for a good player?
Someone a lot smarter than I said that you can't teach height. I have often read that centers and point guards take the longest to reach their potential, and I don't see that it hurts to give Melo (who seems athletic and with a motor) a little more time, especially now that we don't have to hide him in Europe, but can school him in the D-League.
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Some players need a little time to develop. Chauncey Billips is still a very useful player in this league long after Pitino cut him for not being productive. There are many times I wished that trade had never happened.
There are also plenty of draft picks that never see the court...does that mean that scouts/GMs are clueless? How many minutes has Greg Oden played in his career? Was that pick as bad as Melo? Has Oden been cut yet to make room for a good player?
Someone a lot smarter than I said that you can't teach height. I have often read that centers and point guards take the longest to reach their potential, and I don't see that it hurts to give Melo (who seems athletic and with a motor) a little more time, especially now that we don't have to hide him in Europe, but can school him in the D-League.
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Except it would be more advantageous for Doc to at least throw Melo in for a few minutes per game. He'll never improve in D-League, simply because it isn't competitive enough, and there aren't that many big men.
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This will be a huge off season for Fab. He needs to immerse himself in he game. At this point he doesn't seem to understand basic basketball concepts aka he is rarely standing in the right place.
If the Celtics can take his athleticism, and make a basketball player out of him, I will believe that they can turn any raw player into a legit NBA player.
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I would keep him on the roster. He has no trade value right now anyway, so adding Melo into the deal won't have a big impact on a trade.
He has a good motor,good lateral quickness, he's a true seven footer and he plays "long" around the rim.
I'd keep him but would also 100% throw him into the fire throughout training camp, the preseason and early into the regular season as well. he needs to be pushed, pushed, pushed by real, legit NBA big men. I think it will pay off for him and for us.
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Couple other comments:
1. I remain intrigued what a Jared Sullinger / Fab Melo combination will do - if Melo gets there...
A) Melo is a laterally fast, long defensive guy and a decent shot blocker.
B) Sullinger is a bulldog of a rebounder and a real physical force down low.
C) The two are complimentary players - each has what the other doesn't. Even if Melo doesn't turn into a monster rebounder, if he learns the ability to use his size to tie people up and move people around, Sully, Green, Rondo, etc., can help clear the glass.
D) Perkins has never been a great "rebounder" but in tying up other bigs he helps the rest of his team become better rebounders.
2. I was also very surprised that we didn't take DeAndre Jordan in that draft. His Bio said he was a true seven footer with a great frame and elite athleticism. Needed to mature and questionable motor, etc...
* I I "really" wanted us to take him and put him into what was then the meat grinder of KG and Perk and see what happened. I figured we had Ray at the two for a few more years with TA behind him so we had time ona two guard replacement.
3. Also wanted Ezeli over Melo - but I still think there's a chance that Melo could become a much better player than Ezeli over time. But we have to play him and throw him into the fire sooner than later.
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I'd just like to say that I think of Melo every time that I see Draymond Green hit a three in the playoffs.