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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: chambers on April 27, 2013, 10:12:49 PM
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Heading in to next season, with a monstrous draft coming up
What is our best plan of action?
There are three options. If you don't agree with any of them, what do you think we should do. I pick option 3. I think we should roll the dice on getting Wiggins or Parker if we want to compete with Miami and OKC. We already have Rondo+capspace. We have Sully and we have assets in Avery, Green and Crawford.
Here's our options:
1) "Rondo's return +KG's last dance
Keep KG around as a stretch 4 or 5 and let him have 9 months off to have surgery/recover until after all star break, then let him finish his contract with Rondo. Hopefully we can dump Pierce's deal and sign a free agent big or scorer. If we can't dump Pierce for assets and sign a decent FA then let him and KG have one last hoorah with Rondo. We probably make playoffs with or without Pierce, and if we replace Pierce with two decent scorers we potentially finish top 4, but don't have enough to get past Miami again.
2)"Complete tank/reset/overhaul mode"
let them both go and TANK hard for the super draft in 2014. Let Rondo and Green lead us to a bottom 3 standing in the East. Then, trade Green + Avery and replace him with a legit superstar in the 2014 draft. If we get the right deal, trade Rondo too and get 2-3 picks including our own lottery pick in that same draft...
Basically move Rondo, Green, Avery, Crawford for as many picks as we can, and as high in the draft as we can.
3)"Mini Re-build"
Similar to above, but in the vein of Duncan's rookie year at San Antonio, let both Pierce and KG go and tank while Rondo recovers.
Let Green, Avery, Sully,Crawford, Melo all build their trade value and naturally tank while Rondo is resting.
Ensure we are one of the bottom 3 teams, preferably last.
Bink a top 3 pick (hopefully number one or two) and sign Wiggins or Parker, whichever we can get.
Snag a potential Paul Pierce replacement and potential superstar to pair with Rondo, meanwhile trading our assets (Green, Avery, Crawford) for top 15-20 picks in the same draft- or somehow package Green, Sully +Avery for DeMarcus Cousins.
Come back 2015 with
*Rondo
*top 3 2014 draft pick (wing player)
*DMC or solid big man
*another pick netting us a scoring 2 guard that can control the game with Rondo
* plenty of money for 1 or 2 elite level free agents.
A lot of people will say TANK. I'm not sure how easy or hard it will be to watch this team rebuild and we haven't had the best luck in the draft- but tanking one season to get once in every 10 year kind of players like Wiggins or Parker (Lebron and Melo comparisons) might be worth it. I would be in favor of a mini rebuild that proposes tanking next season and rebuilding with a lottery pick, trading for a big and/or picks and letting Rondo captain a team that can make Rondo a contender for the last 4-5 years of his career. I have confidence that Ainge could sign some solid free agents with all our cap space, whilst nabbing a superstar or a rookie deal.
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I'm just gonna say, I can't fathom missing the playoffs. I'm sure lots of fans don't like to watch a tanking team.
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Danny wasnt even happy with our 2010 team where we went 39-10 at the beginning with shaq diesel. he traded away perk and krypto-nate.... imagine how happy you think he is with our team this year?
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No point keeping Garnett if Pierce isn't here.
Either keep both of them or dump both of them. Their futures should be tied to one another.
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No point keeping Garnett if Pierce isn't here.
Either keep both of them or dump both of them. Their futures should be tied to one another.
This, either we go on One Final Stand and reload or start the rebuilding and start collecting assets around Rondo and Green.
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No point keeping Garnett if Pierce isn't here.
Either keep both of them or dump both of them. Their futures should be tied to one another.
This, either we go on One Final Stand and reload or start the rebuilding and start collecting assets around Rondo and Green.
I feel like we've been going "One Final Stand" for the last 3 years. At some point we legitimately have to move on.
Just an observation.
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No point keeping Garnett if Pierce isn't here.
Either keep both of them or dump both of them. Their futures should be tied to one another.
This, either we go on One Final Stand and reload or start the rebuilding and start collecting assets around Rondo and Green.
I feel like we've been going "One Final Stand" for the last 3 years. At some point we legitimately have to move on.
Just an observation.
yep. i cannot argue with that.
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No point keeping Garnett if Pierce isn't here.
Either keep both of them or dump both of them. Their futures should be tied to one another.
Depends on how you define "dump". If you could flip Paul for a decent younger player then adding that player to a Rondo/Green/Sullinger/Garnett core seems like a decent idea.
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I'm just gonna say, I can't fathom missing the playoffs. I'm sure lots of fans don't like to watch a tanking team.
That's fair enough, but this draft comes at a perfect time for us to do this. The timing is absolutely perfect. One crappy season to give Rondo a young superstar to work with for rest of his career...
Think about Rondo
+capspace
+Parker or Wiggins
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No point keeping Garnett if Pierce isn't here.
Either keep both of them or dump both of them. Their futures should be tied to one another.
Depends on how you define "dump". If you could flip Paul for a decent younger player then adding that player to a Rondo/Green/Sullinger/Garnett core seems like a decent idea.
If there's any truth to that rumor of Pierce for Barnes and filler, then Ainge is certainly looking around.
However, I don't think there's any way that Ainge could purge the roster of enough talent (without taking on massive future salary commitments) to put the team into the top half of the lottery. The draft class of 2014 may be historic, but the only way the Celtics will be able to get a shot at a top 5 pick is by pulling off a lopsided trade with a basement team, or by a miracle bounce of the ping-pong balls.
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No point keeping Garnett if Pierce isn't here.
Either keep both of them or dump both of them. Their futures should be tied to one another.
Depends on how you define "dump". If you could flip Paul for a decent younger player then adding that player to a Rondo/Green/Sullinger/Garnett core seems like a decent idea.
If there's any truth to that rumor of Pierce for Barnes and filler, then Ainge is certainly looking around.
However, I don't think there's any way that Ainge could purge the roster of enough talent (without taking on massive future salary commitments) to put the team into the top half of the lottery. The draft class of 2014 may be historic, but the only way the Celtics will be able to get a shot at a top 5 pick is by pulling off a lopsided trade with a basement team, or by a miracle bounce of the ping-pong balls.
If we cut Garnett and Pierce, and Rondo sits out half a season- we are easily in contention for a lottery spot.
Dump KG, Pierce, Terry.
Starting five of
Bradley
Lee
Green
Bass
Shav or Melo
Crawford sixth man.
That's easily a lotto team. Even if we keep Terry and Bass and give both of them significant minutes, that team is barely better than the Kings or Bobcats.
Doc can give Melo 30 minutes a night. He can move Crawford or Lee because of their age. Without KG, Rondo and Pierce we have nothing except Jeff Green showing up once every 3 games.
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No point keeping Garnett if Pierce isn't here.
Either keep both of them or dump both of them. Their futures should be tied to one another.
Depends on how you define "dump". If you could flip Paul for a decent younger player then adding that player to a Rondo/Green/Sullinger/Garnett core seems like a decent idea.
If there's any truth to that rumor of Pierce for Barnes and filler, then Ainge is certainly looking around.
However, I don't think there's any way that Ainge could purge the roster of enough talent (without taking on massive future salary commitments) to put the team into the top half of the lottery. The draft class of 2014 may be historic, but the only way the Celtics will be able to get a shot at a top 5 pick is by pulling off a lopsided trade with a basement team, or by a miracle bounce of the ping-pong balls.
If we cut Garnett and Pierce, and Rondo sits out half a season- we are easily in contention for a lottery spot.
Dump KG, Pierce, Terry.
Starting five of
Bradley
Lee
Green
Bass
Shav or Melo
Crawford sixth man.
That's easily a lotto team. Even if we keep Terry and Bass and give both of them significant minutes, that team is barely better than the Kings or Bobcats.
Suns, Magic, and Pelicans are also all worse. And, why wouldn't those teams, and a few others, not also try to race to the bottom?
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No point keeping Garnett if Pierce isn't here.
Either keep both of them or dump both of them. Their futures should be tied to one another.
Depends on how you define "dump". If you could flip Paul for a decent younger player then adding that player to a Rondo/Green/Sullinger/Garnett core seems like a decent idea.
If there's any truth to that rumor of Pierce for Barnes and filler, then Ainge is certainly looking around.
However, I don't think there's any way that Ainge could purge the roster of enough talent (without taking on massive future salary commitments) to put the team into the top half of the lottery. The draft class of 2014 may be historic, but the only way the Celtics will be able to get a shot at a top 5 pick is by pulling off a lopsided trade with a basement team, or by a miracle bounce of the ping-pong balls.
If we cut Garnett and Pierce, and Rondo sits out half a season- we are easily in contention for a lottery spot.
Dump KG, Pierce, Terry.
Starting five of
Bradley
Lee
Green
Bass
Shav or Melo
Crawford sixth man.
That's easily a lotto team. Even if we keep Terry and Bass and give both of them significant minutes, that team is barely better than the Kings or Bobcats.
Suns, Magic, and Pelicans are also all worse. And, why wouldn't those teams, and a few others, not also try to race to the bottom?
Actually I think you're wrong.
Do you see us beating the Magic or Pelicans with that squad?
It's utter garbage. Our best player is Green with Avery Bradley as the second option. Very horrid.
Of course there will be a race to the bottom, but why not gamble when there are two game changers to be had?
I'd rather that then go after Josh Smith and get owned by the Heat and Bulls for the next 6-7 years.
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I'm just gonna say, I can't fathom missing the playoffs. I'm sure lots of fans don't like to watch a tanking team.
That's fair enough, but this draft comes at a perfect time for us to do this. The timing is absolutely perfect. One crappy season to give Rondo a young superstar to work with for rest of his career...
Think about Rondo
+capspace
+Parker or Wiggins
exactly... and if not either of those, you still have aaron gordon, julius randle, dakari johnson, and the harrison twins in the lottery.
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Of course there will be a race to the bottom, but why not gamble when there are two game changers to be had?
The gamble didn't pay off the last two times the Celtics tanked for a top lottery pick.
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Of course there will be a race to the bottom, but why not gamble when there are two game changers to be had?
The gamble didn't pay off the last two times the Celtics tanked for a top lottery pick.
Well as lightspeed mentions above, there are these two superstars, with a feast of other all star potential level guys to be had. If we could get a top 5 pick AND sign two major free agents to play with Rondo, we'd have to be in a decent position by 2015. (at least to me).
If you're not a fan of missing the playoffs, what do you think our best plan is going forward?
What do we do once KG and Pierce are gone if it's not next year?
We have Green, Rondo, Sully, Bradley + a whole bunch of capspace.
Is that enough to trade or turn us into a contender?
What do you propose?
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red auerbach wouldnt have tanked, he would have somehow obtained a 2014 unprotected pick from a bottom-dweller in a trade 5+ years prior to the draft, predicting the greatness of that year after seeing wiggins and parker in middle school balling out of control.
thats how he got the len bias pick.
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Of course there will be a race to the bottom, but why not gamble when there are two game changers to be had?
The gamble didn't pay off the last two times the Celtics tanked for a top lottery pick.
Well as lightspeed mentions above, there are these two superstars, with a feast of other all star potential level guys to be had. If we could get a top 5 pick AND sign two major free agents to play with Rondo, we'd have to be in a decent position by 2015. (at least to me).
If you're not a fan of missing the playoffs, what do you think our best plan is going forward?
What do we do once KG and Pierce are gone if it's not next year?
We have Green, Rondo, Sully, Bradley + a whole bunch of capspace.
Is that enough to trade or turn us into a contender?
What do you propose?
Something similar, actually. Just a year later.
I don't believe a top 5 pick is a realistic goal for next season, even with Rondo out. I'd like to see Ainge clear the roster of long-term contracts, positioning the team to move forward with as much cap space as possible once Pierce and KG come off the books. At the same time, assuming KG and Pierce both are back next season, I'd like to see another attempt to hang around and make the playoffs as a low seed--especially considering how many teams have lost key players to injury this year. Who's to say it isn't Miami who gets struck by lightning next year?
I think the team's best/likeliest shot to rebuild is through opportunistic and judicious use of cap space, not by winning the lottery. You can't plan for luck.
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Of course there will be a race to the bottom, but why not gamble when there are two game changers to be had?
The gamble didn't pay off the last two times the Celtics tanked for a top lottery pick.
Well as lightspeed mentions above, there are these two superstars, with a feast of other all star potential level guys to be had. If we could get a top 5 pick AND sign two major free agents to play with Rondo, we'd have to be in a decent position by 2015. (at least to me).
If you're not a fan of missing the playoffs, what do you think our best plan is going forward?
What do we do once KG and Pierce are gone if it's not next year?
We have Green, Rondo, Sully, Bradley + a whole bunch of capspace.
Is that enough to trade or turn us into a contender?
What do you propose?
Something similar, actually. Just a year later.
I don't believe a top 5 pick is a realistic goal for next season, even with Rondo out. I'd like to see Ainge clear the roster of long-term contracts, positioning the team to move forward with as much cap space as possible once Pierce and KG come off the books. At the same time, assuming KG and Pierce both are back next season, I'd like to see another attempt to hang around and make the playoffs as a low seed--especially considering how many teams have lost key players to injury this year. Who's to say it isn't Miami who gets struck by lightning next year?
I think the team's best/likeliest shot to rebuild is through opportunistic and judicious use of cap space, not by winning the lottery. You can't plan for luck.
I like the last bit. Never play for the draft.
I'm pretty excited to have Rondo, Green, and Sully going forward, and each for decent-to-great money deals.
I'm looking to trade anyone else on the roster for the player that's better than any of those three (or at least close to Rondo's level at another position).
And we're back in the race.
Terry, Bass, Bradley, Lee, Crawford, et. al. are all pieces that can be changed, replaced, or worked around. They're all available, along with the pick(s).
My favorite role players to keep are Lee and Bass.
Start at the top of the roster. The rest ain't so bad.
I'd love to have a major big guy in the middle. Seems to be Target #1 in my book.
Rondo
Lee
Green
Sully
BigMan
Bench:
Bass
Crawford
Bradley
Shav
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Boston is one of the "IMPORTANT" franchises ... usually carries higher TV rating, huge world market appeal....it is necessary to maintain this appeal I believe.
I don't think "TANKING" is correct for teams such as Boston or LA. You don't want to tank and become another Bobcat team.
Rome wasn't built in a day . People , especially kids have no appreciation for goals achieved over long periods of time and their infrequency .
Throwing out the old and replacing with new is not always bettter , in fact the opposite occurs most times. This thinking comes from lack of age and life experience .
Fortunately cooler heads will make the calls.
You make the best choices you can and go forward without whining , but what if s....
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Of course there will be a race to the bottom, but why not gamble when there are two game changers to be had?
The gamble didn't pay off the last two times the Celtics tanked for a top lottery pick.
Well as lightspeed mentions above, there are these two superstars, with a feast of other all star potential level guys to be had. If we could get a top 5 pick AND sign two major free agents to play with Rondo, we'd have to be in a decent position by 2015. (at least to me).
If you're not a fan of missing the playoffs, what do you think our best plan is going forward?
What do we do once KG and Pierce are gone if it's not next year?
We have Green, Rondo, Sully, Bradley + a whole bunch of capspace.
Is that enough to trade or turn us into a contender?
What do you propose?
Except we won't have a whole bunch of capspace.
With Pierce and KG gone next season, we're still right at the cap. That means no big free agent signees. We'd probably be better off running it until Pierce and KG fully retire, by then could at least be some demand for Bass and Terry's contracts (assuming they're still around)
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We aren't going to tank with Rondo, Green, Bradley, Bass, etc. It's too easy to make the playoffs... and despite what everyone always thought, I bet Rondo thrives when he has full reigns.
Say KG retires... I doubt Pierce does. I doubt he flip him, too, but if we do... we get something decent enough in return to make the playoffs in the East. The Bucks made it...
We are definitely not going to rebuild through the draft. Don't think people understand how difficult that is... we won't ever be bad enough, ironically
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Really depends what KG and PP do. Then you make a decision to have one more go or blow it up. But even so the cupboard is not bare, with Sully, Green, Rondo and Bradley.
Bass is too short for my taste to defend the rim and doesn't rebound. I would try to trade him for a big that can do those things. Terry,I would try to unload. I'd look hard at Lee and Crawford and try to move them.
I would keep Williams and Randolph because they would be cheap to do so.
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Trade Rondo, Green, and Lee for AL Jeff and Milsap
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Trade Rondo, Green, and Lee for AL Jeff and Milsap
If i was going for bigs id ask for Monroe and Singler from detroit
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Trade Rondo, Green, and Lee for AL Jeff and Milsap
I like the Detroit idea better, this has not worked well for Utah.
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Trade Rondo, Green, and Lee for AL Jeff and Milsap
I like the Detroit idea better, this has not worked well for Utah.
I agree, AlJeff and Milsap, individually or together, are not the answer.
And to those who say the last 'tank' didn't work, without that fifth pick there would have been no Ray Allen and no KG.
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Trade Rondo, Green, and Lee for AL Jeff and Milsap
I like the Detroit idea better, this has not worked well for Utah.
I agree, AlJeff and Milsap, individually or together, are not the answer.
And to those who say the last 'tank' didn't work, without that fifth pick there would have been no Ray Allen and no KG.
Was it 'tank'?
I'm under the impression it's more 'suck' and not on purpose either.
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people are overly down on the trade chips the c's have, not the actual evaluations of the players, but actual trade chips, kg if he retires becomes one hell of a trade chip, because once he negotiates his buyout he comes of the cap immediately, if kg wants to retire and is willing to accept a next to nothing buyout thats a pretty good piece of trade bait, for example you could package kg contract with bradley, and try and execute a sign and trade for a big al, josh smith etc, tyreke evans etc
similarly paul if decides to retire his contract can become an asset although to a lesser extent cause his buyout is already worked out for 5 million.
One of the key to the offseason will be to stay below the apron, because teams that wish to execute sign and trade are not allowed to go above the apron, for that reason i can't see ainge picking up pauls 10 million dollar option, which doesn't neccasary mean getting rid of paul, cos i think they could resign him for the MLE if they stayed below the apron.
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Trade Rondo, Green, and Lee for AL Jeff and Milsap
So we give up our all star point guard to become the Boston Jazz?
They already tried those two in Utah...
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The whole deandre & Eric for kg deal, doesn't seem so bad to me at the moment.
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It all starts with whether KG and Pierce retire, I am assuming they do.
Next we should see if any teams with cap space/trade exceptions want to take Terry and/or Bass off our hands.
Go after Nikola Pekovic, if we can sign him outright great. If Minnesota wants to match we can dangle Courtney Lee.
See what Josh Smith will want for a contract. Maybe because he wants to play in Boston with Rondo he will give us a discount, if he wants near max money let him go somewhere else.
If we have any extra money after signing one of the two above, find some veterans that won't break the bank but can be a steadying presence for the younger guys. Like Tony Allen, Kyle Korver, Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, Mike Dunleavy, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Samuel Dalembert, Al Jefferson (provided he takes a discount to come back) and Tiago Splitter.
IF we are not able to clear enough cap space to sign free agents (if KG retires and we don't amnesty Pierce we will only have $4-6 MM). We roll with a starting lineup of drafted center, sully, Green, Bradley, Rondo watch as we barely miss the playoffs and hope to get lucky in a loaded draft.
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It all starts with whether KG and Pierce retire, I am assuming they do.
Next we should see if any teams with cap space/trade exceptions want to take Terry and/or Bass off our hands.
Go after Nikola Pekovic, if we can sign him outright great. If Minnesota wants to match we can dangle Courtney Lee.
See what Josh Smith will want for a contract. Maybe because he wants to play in Boston with Rondo he will give us a discount, if he wants near max money let him go somewhere else.
If we have any extra money after signing one of the two above, find some veterans that won't break the bank but can be a steadying presence for the younger guys. Like Tony Allen, Kyle Korver, Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, Mike Dunleavy, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Samuel Dalembert, Al Jefferson (provided he takes a discount to come back) and Tiago Splitter.
IF we are not able to clear enough cap space to sign free agents (if KG retires and we don't amnesty Pierce we will only have $4-6 MM). We roll with a starting lineup of drafted center, sully, Green, Bradley, Rondo watch as we barely miss the playoffs and hope to get lucky in a loaded draft.
Pekovic and Josh Smith would be an interesting big man combination.
I think they would complement one another well and work well together. Pekovic's physical power and interior play combined with Smith's quickness and versatility. Nice combo.
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DA has to leave. In last 3 season he destroyed the team. The ownership has to think about new GM. How about having Doc like Fergusson(Man U) coach and GM in the same time??
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It all starts with whether KG and Pierce retire, I am assuming they do.
Next we should see if any teams with cap space/trade exceptions want to take Terry and/or Bass off our hands.
Go after Nikola Pekovic, if we can sign him outright great. If Minnesota wants to match we can dangle Courtney Lee.
See what Josh Smith will want for a contract. Maybe because he wants to play in Boston with Rondo he will give us a discount, if he wants near max money let him go somewhere else.
If we have any extra money after signing one of the two above, find some veterans that won't break the bank but can be a steadying presence for the younger guys. Like Tony Allen, Kyle Korver, Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, Mike Dunleavy, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Samuel Dalembert, Al Jefferson (provided he takes a discount to come back) and Tiago Splitter.
IF we are not able to clear enough cap space to sign free agents (if KG retires and we don't amnesty Pierce we will only have $4-6 MM). We roll with a starting lineup of drafted center, sully, Green, Bradley, Rondo watch as we barely miss the playoffs and hope to get lucky in a loaded draft.
Pekovic and Josh Smith would be an interesting big man combination.
I think they would complement one another well and work well together. Pekovic's physical power and interior play combined with Smith's quickness and versatility. Nice combo.
I agree but in order for that to happen we would probably need to find teams that were willing to take Bass and Terry with no salary coming back here. Then we would need to make a sign and trade with Lee to bring in Pekovic.
Not only would those two compliment each other well. Green and Smoove would be one of the more athletic 3/4 combinations in the league. Pekovic and Sully together could beat teams up inside.
How about it how good to people think this team would be (provided they could add someone with the MLE and bring in some vets to round out the roster?)
5-Pek, 1st round pick
4-Smith, Sully,
3-Green,
2-Bradley, Crawford
1-Rondo,
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DA has to leave. In last 3 season he destroyed the team. The ownership has to think about new GM. How about having Doc like Fergusson(Man U) coach and GM in the same time??
How did he destroy the team?
He built a championship team from scraps and if not for KG's injury we'd have 19 to 20 banners hanging in the rafters, let alone a contender for 5 seasons. He rolled the dice on Perkins going and Shaq's foot situation but that's the kind of GM he is.
Without Ainge there is no title in 2008- he put us in position to win 3 or 4 championships. He couldn't control the injuries or the forming of the Heat- but his genius created the blueprint for the rest of the NBA. He's the reason we're seeing these 'Big 3' squads gaining so much popularity.
We owe a heck of a lot to Danny Ainge and he deserves more credit and more respect.
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It all starts with whether KG and Pierce retire, I am assuming they do.
Next we should see if any teams with cap space/trade exceptions want to take Terry and/or Bass off our hands.
Go after Nikola Pekovic, if we can sign him outright great. If Minnesota wants to match we can dangle Courtney Lee.
See what Josh Smith will want for a contract. Maybe because he wants to play in Boston with Rondo he will give us a discount, if he wants near max money let him go somewhere else.
If we have any extra money after signing one of the two above, find some veterans that won't break the bank but can be a steadying presence for the younger guys. Like Tony Allen, Kyle Korver, Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, Mike Dunleavy, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Samuel Dalembert, Al Jefferson (provided he takes a discount to come back) and Tiago Splitter.
IF we are not able to clear enough cap space to sign free agents (if KG retires and we don't amnesty Pierce we will only have $4-6 MM). We roll with a starting lineup of drafted center, sully, Green, Bradley, Rondo watch as we barely miss the playoffs and hope to get lucky in a loaded draft.
Pekovic and Josh Smith would be an interesting big man combination.
I think they would complement one another well and work well together. Pekovic's physical power and interior play combined with Smith's quickness and versatility. Nice combo.
I agree but in order for that to happen we would probably need to find teams that were willing to take Bass and Terry with no salary coming back here. Then we would need to make a sign and trade with Lee to bring in Pekovic.
Not only would those two compliment each other well. Green and Smoove would be one of the more athletic 3/4 combinations in the league. Pekovic and Sully together could beat teams up inside.
How about it how good to people think this team would be (provided they could add someone with the MLE and bring in some vets to round out the roster?)
5-Pek, 1st round pick
4-Smith, Sully,
3-Green,
2-Bradley, Crawford
1-Rondo,
So in other words, it's not gonna happen.
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Mini-Rebuild
Keep PP KG
Pick up another backup PG
Get a FA Big Man inside to mentor Fab
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The league is trending towards small ball, so I would expect we have a similar make up as to what we've had since '07. A few guys who can play multiple positions like Green and Pierce, big men who can stretch the floor and create spacing, and a couple physical guys who are quick and strong enough to guard guys like Lebron, Dwade, Melo, etc...And like the Knicks, Heat and Spurs, lots of really good spot up shooters.
I think it's funny that Courtney Lee hasn't really blossomed here. I know he doesn't necessarily create his own shots, but what happened to all the double screens and pick and pops that we used to run with Ray?
Anyway, I think KG will probably hang it up, he had a pretty solid season but he looks more and more cooked every game. Pierce still has some juice, but we can't ride him like we have in the past, but I bet he stays. Rondo will be here, because we won't get value back for him until the league sees if he comes back 100% from his injury. Everyone wants Josh Smith, but I am not a fan. He's talented but has the Antoine Walker tendency to think he's a 2 guard. I think they may actually give Lee another shot next year, because his defense can really make up for what he's been lacking on offense, which is mostly confidence. I think our best trade assets are Pierce and Bradley, and would not be totally surprised to hear their names floated around this summer.
To the OP, I have no idea what we should do, HA!
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DA has to leave. In last 3 season he destroyed the team. The ownership has to think about new GM. How about having Doc like Fergusson(Man U) coach and GM in the same time??
How did he destroy the team?
How did he destroy the team? Let see...
1.financial disaster: he offers 15 min/season PP ate age of 35...big stupidity, same think for KG, ate age of 36 offering him 10 mill/season. This is waste of money...other ownership will fire you right way. You can sign PP or KG for maximum 4-5 mill/season not more than that, spending the rest of money to bring younger good players
2.from 2011 he did not sing any great centre to replace Perk
3. tried to get of rid of Ray every trade line from 2010, when Ray is one of the best shoters of the league.
4. when Rondo, Barbosa and Sully are out, he is doing ridiculous things finding junky players to fill the roster. So, why not Delonte West, K.Martin etc???
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All depends on the decisions of KG and PP
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How about it how good to people think this team would be (provided they could add someone with the MLE and bring in some vets to round out the roster?)
5-Pek, 1st round pick
4-Smith, Sully,
3-Green,
2-Bradley, Crawford
1-Rondo,
I would think that is somewhere around a 50 win roster.
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I'm just gonna say, I can't fathom missing the playoffs. I'm sure lots of fans don't like to watch a tanking team.
Being a middle of the road playoff team is not much different than missing the playoffs in my eyes. The organization should be doing everything in their power to get #18 and beyond.
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Fire Doc and Danny - Promote KG coach and PP GM.
I know that it is a bit rash but the chainges are coming.
Next year is toast no matter what happens. 2013 and 2014 will not be happy years in Celtics land.
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It's not Danny's plan that matters - it's KG's.
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I'm just gonna say, I can't fathom missing the playoffs. I'm sure lots of fans don't like to watch a tanking team.
Being a middle of the road playoff team is not much different than missing the playoffs in my eyes. The organization should be doing everything in their power to get #18 and beyond.
I've heard this opinion a lot but as far as ownership is concerned a tank job could cost them a ton of revenue in the tanking year.
To me you just want to be a team that is always improving. With how young our team is we can show steady improvement without taking a huge leap backwards.
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think its better to try and improve the team without tanking . Tanking is not Boston , that loser method belongs to the new bees in the NBA
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. Tanking is not Boston , that loser method belongs to the new bees in the NBA
Tell that to ML Carr.
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ill contribute more here when IF the knicks send us fishing
so far we still in this
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Trade Bradley, Lee, Terry, Bass, Melo
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Ainge may have tried to tank this season by refusing to get a replacement big, so we'll see. Perhaps he was hoping to get a #1 the way the Bulls were able to draft Derrick Rose without completely emptying the roster of talent. I'm not a fan of starting out a season in tank mode, but it is something to consider if the team is foundering in mid-season.
For now, I think the team is basically committed to one more year if KG and PP do not retire. I do feel like the team has a shot if they can dump salary (a guard, not Bass) to sign a big. My pipe dream is a salary dump of Terry and Elton Brand being available for the MLE.
Otherwise, I think the team should wait until Rondo is healthy and playing 30-35 minutes per game or shows that he can't handle that anymore.
The time to really consider blowing things up in Boston is when the medium contract role players such as Bass, Terry, and Lee become expiring contracts. Which is after next season. That can start a few months early if the Celtics play poorly enough that a mid-season shift to tanking is a good idea.
This all goes out the window if Ainge finds a deal which can pair a potential All-Star with Rondo.
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Well, not sure what he CAN do.....see if kg and pp still play.....but OFF the BENCH....not full time starters.....no reason to wear them out in the first half of the year...that is a dumb thing to do.....rondo and Green...keep them...many will want to play with them...Green can be a problem because many guys play that spot too......terry can be let go.....keep shav...easy to do, short $$$, plenty of upside.....need a new coach....for sure....!!!
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Well, not sure what he CAN do.....see if kg and pp still play.....but OFF the BENCH....not full time starters.....no reason to wear them out in the first half of the year...that is a dumb thing to do.....rondo and Green...keep them...many will want to play with them...Green can be a problem because many guys play that spot too......terry can be let go.....keep shav...easy to do, short $$$, plenty of upside.....need a new coach....for sure....!!!
hmmmn. ya don't say? ;)
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If Ainge considers retooling, I see Josh Smith being in his plans at some point. Maybe if the Thunder amnesty Perkins, he'll be welcomed back too. Wouldn't mind seeing JJ Redick in green as well since he'd give us the best shooter since Ray. Hopefully Sullinger comes back healthy and Bradley spends the offseason recuperating and ready for the training camp.
Everything depends on Pierce and KG, though.