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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: PaulPierce34G on April 27, 2013, 09:34:27 AM
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I honestly believe that if Ainge hadn't acquired KG/Ray Allen back in the summer of 2007, he would have lost his job with the Celtics sometime shortly thereafter. The move brought him some longevity with retaining his position and now the team once again has to rebuild, get assets, try to obtain a new star or stars post-KG/Pierce (whenever that might be).
The owners of the team clearly care about their investment and want to see it do well.
So with that being said, do you think Ainge is once again on the hot-seat, where if he doesn't perform well in roster management that he will eventually be fired? If so, how long do you think the ownership gives him to bring this team back up to the upper echelon of the league? Or will they allow him to be like Joe Dumars out in Detroit, since Joe D did construct a winning team for a number of years...however, Detroit hasn't truly been relevant in a few seasons now...
Thoughts?
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I'm not sure that any GM has 100% job security. However, Danny has earned a lot of good will for the last five seasons. I don't think ownership is going to want Danny's head for a season in which arguably our best player went down with a major injury.
Danny should get a little heat for his abject failure in finding a competent big man, though.
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DA. survives this year and maybe next........if he doesn't restock the C's by summer 2015 .......he may well be history.
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If my memory serves correctly, Danny was keen to reconstruct the roster at the end of lst season but was talked out of doing it by the vets because they almost made it to the finals and wanted another run.
Either way, I don't think Danny or Doc are going to be shown the door by Wyc anytime soon. Both guys could walk straight into another position at most other NBA teams, plus I'm yet to see anyone suggest a better alternative as to who should replace them.
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I think that whatever heat Ainge will feel is for the abject failure that the rebuild of this roster last summer was.
That isn't enough to cost him his job, in my opinion. However, he accomplished little or nothing bringing in Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, Crawford and he wasted a first-round draft choice on Melo. He had his worst summer as Celtics GM.
He can't be blamed for Rondo's injury - but conversely, Rondo is not the difference in this series. Far from it. The Knicks are the better team - and they have been since the season began.
His route to redemption is cloudy, and that door is practically locked if Pierce and Garnett don't retire, however.
So I would expect that he will get fired within the next three years. It's going to be VERY difficult for this club to improve.
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This poor GM. Overrated and mediocre. From 2010-11, is trying to make the rooster poor. Trying every year to trade Ray (our best shooter and one of the best shooters of NBA) and bringing here broken players like Lee and Terry, trading Perking and not brinking a big man to substitute him. But this year totally he fooled us around brinking junk like Crawford Co. I do not know how the Cs ownership can still pay him. DA has to go...He is the big responsible for this crack
P.s. Getting KG in 2007 was an idea and maximum personal effort of Kevin Mchale
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Nope. Not even in the slightest.
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But this year totally he fooled us around brinking junk like Crawford Co.
Yes Jordan Crawford isn't perfect, but he's better than having an injured Barbosa sitting on the bench next to Jason Collins, no?
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But this year totally he fooled us around brinking junk like Crawford Co.
Yes Jordan Crawford isn't perfect, but he's better than having an injured Barbosa sitting on the bench next to Jason Collins, no?
Jordan Crawford isn't a player for playoff
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But this year totally he fooled us around brinking junk like Crawford Co.
Yes Jordan Crawford isn't perfect, but he's better than having an injured Barbosa sitting on the bench next to Jason Collins, no?
Jordan Crawford isn't a player for playoff
Would you rather have an injured Barbosa.
Give the kid a break. He isnt who we need, but this is the kid's first playoff series, and he came in the system halfway through the season.
I say that's a great trade by Danny. FLipping something useless for someone who maybe big or bust, but someone who can play nonetheless.
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I say no.
He did a solid job this year I believe. He drafted a big which we needed. Signed Jason Terry and Courtney Lee, was able to trade an injured player for a young guy with potential. Was able to sign some bigs before the Playoffs to bolster front court.
Now, it's not his fault that Lee and Jet didn't pan out. That Melo's development is slow and Rondo getting injured and the bigs not even getting a sniff on the floor even though at times, we need them to.
If anything, the one should be on the hot seat is Doc and this ridiculous small ball lineup and stubbornness to stick to a lineup and gameplan that obviously doesnt work.
Yeah I said it.
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I think what Danny Ainge chooses to do this summer and how it plays out between now and the draft next year will determine whether or not he's still the GM two years from now.
I don't think he's on the hot seat for all that's happened this season, but he needs to respond to it the right way or he's going to be looking for a new job.
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Next year, maybe. It's hard to judge with so many injuries to important players. (Rondo, Sully, Barbosa)
Let's see what he does this offseason, first. He's known to be okay.
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I'm not sure that any GM has 100% job security. However, Danny has earned a lot of good will for the last five seasons. I don't think ownership is going to want Danny's head for a season in which arguably our best player went down with a major injury.
Danny should get a little heat for his abject failure in finding a competent big man, though.
Danny's failure to secure a legitimate point guard even after Rondo went down should earn him some significant scrutiny, too.
I'm not sure why he thought the team would be okay without any true ball-handlers heading into the playoffs.
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Yes, he should be! If you really sit down and think about it, Danny Ainge hasn't done anything productive since trading for KG. AND, you could make the argument that was attributed more to Kevin McHale being a former Celtic than Danny Ainge doing anything.
Think about it, since 2008 he's made the following blunders
-Patrick O'Bryant
-Trading Perkins for a player we didn't need
-Shaq in the twilight of his career
-Jermaine O'Neal
-Jason Terry
-Courtney Lee
-Not dealing Ray Allen for OJ Mayo when he had the chance. Then Ray bolts to Miami.
-Not acquiring a big last summer or at this year's trade deadline, when we BADLY needed it.
AND for all the talk of injuries, it's the GM's job to foresee injuries and provide the team with proper depth. Just pinning misfortunes on injuries doesn't fly. Look at the Knicks. Throughout the year the likes of Carmelo, Felton, Amar'e and Chandler have all had injuries. They seem to be doing pretty well.
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I'd give him until 2015. If by then he hasn't retooled the roster around Rondo, give him the boot.
That way, when it finally does become necessary to trade Rondo, and build through the draft (yuck), we can have a completely fresh start from the top down.
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IMO, the only thing that Danny did wrong was not blow it up last year. Just about everyone loved this team on paper at the start of the season. Of course we needed a Center, but they don't come cheap and we didn't have the assets to get a quality one. I would put more blame on Doc than Danny, the team was under performing all year even before the injuries.
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But this year totally he fooled us around brinking junk like Crawford Co.
Yes Jordan Crawford isn't perfect, but he's better than having an injured Barbosa sitting on the bench next to Jason Collins, no?
Jordan Crawford isn't a player for playoff
Neither Jason Collins or an injured Barbosa are players for the playoffs.
Who do you suggest Danny should have acquired with those two players in a trade that would have been better than Crawford?
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I'd give him until 2015. If by then he hasn't retooled the roster around Rondo, give him the boot.
That way, when it finally does become necessary to trade Rondo, and build through the draft (yuck), we can have a completely fresh start from the top down.
I think Danny wanted to blow it up midseason last year, which made sense, and Wyc put the brakes on it. Danny's probably had a shorter leash with management since the Perk trade. But who decided to reup for, essentially, another three years last summer just because the FA market was weak? Was that Wyc and/or Danny?
I have a feeling that management has meddled sufficiently that they're not ready to hit Danny for decisions they imposed. However, if KG retires, making it reasonable not to pay Pierce's last contract year in full, I think there is a chance that Doc goes. And if Doc goes, I could see management at least taking stock of the situation, then ultimately still backing Danny for another rebuilding cycle.
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IMO, the only thing that Danny did wrong was not blow it up last year. Just about everyone loved this team on paper at the start of the season. Of course we needed a Center, but they don't come cheap and we didn't have the assets to get a quality one. I would put more blame on Doc than Danny, the team was under performing all year even before the injuries.
This team need a center, and 2 great snipers...And he has 3 season fooling people around offering broken players. Stop it. Go home...
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IMO, the only thing that Danny did wrong was not blow it up last year. Just about everyone loved this team on paper at the start of the season. Of course we needed a Center, but they don't come cheap and we didn't have the assets to get a quality one. I would put more blame on Doc than Danny, the team was under performing all year even before the injuries.
This team need a center, and 2 great snipers...And he has 3 season fooling people around offering broken players. Stop it. Go home...
we need a serious center , thats for sure....someone to build around.
kidnapp Marc Gasol
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No, I don't think he is or he will get a mulligan because of the Rondo injury. He drafts well. He got us a title. His only mistake is allowing us to stay together for one too many runs. I am sure Wyc, who seems hands on was all for this too.
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I doubt it. He steered the ship from one rebuild into a championship I'm sure that ownership will trust him to do so another time around.
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I'd give him until 2015. If by then he hasn't retooled the roster around Rondo, give him the boot.
That way, when it finally does become necessary to trade Rondo, and build through the draft (yuck), we can have a completely fresh start from the top down.
If Ainge makes the mistake of trying to rebuild around Rondo, I guarantee you he's going to get fired.
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But this year totally he fooled us around brinking junk like Crawford Co.
Yes Jordan Crawford isn't perfect, but he's better than having an injured Barbosa sitting on the bench next to Jason Collins, no?
Jordan Crawford isn't a player for playoff
Neither Jason Collins or an injured Barbosa are players for the playoffs.
Who do you suggest Danny should have acquired with those two players in a trade that would have been better than Crawford?
Barbosa is for sure.
One mistake I've just noticed (apart from, maybe, being too conservative with not signing KMart. I don't particularly feel strongly either way on missing out on KMart and Birdman, though) is betting too much on Sully.
As much as Danny hit the ultimate mega jackpot with Sully, he also made a mistake putting a lot of his chips in Sully (if he did intend on doing so in the first place, anyway). With Sully, we'd have been that much better but Sully had a red flag with bulging disks.
I'm saying this because Ainge probably scouted Sully very well.
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I could see him getting tired and walking away, because this season had to be hard on everyone, him included. But he put together the first champion team in two decades, and entering this postseason the team had made it to at least the second round of the playoffs five years in a row. We always knew this day would come, where the team just didn't have enough to compete. To some it may have come a couple years later than expected, to others it may be a year or two early, but he clearly showed he has the wherewithal to put together a top team.
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Nope. Not even in the slightest.
This, quite simply. Ownership recognizes Ainge as one of the best GMs in the game. It's his job until he decides he wants to do something else.
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If Ainge makes the mistake of trying to rebuild around Rondo, I guarantee you he's going to get fired.
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All GMs make mistakes, and championships are not easy to win. The fact that we have had winning seasons since 2007, despite all of the injuries and the onset of aging superstars is no reason to be fired. In fact, I think Wyc and the ownership group had just as much say as to whether or not we hold on to KG and Pierce and not blow it up over the last couple seasons. Like it or not, its a business, and to keep all those revenue streams going in the Garden, from ticket sales, concessions, jerseys, etc--no fan is going to pony up the current ticket prices for a sub 500 team, even if it has Rondo and Jeff Green on it. Certainly no one is out there scooping up DJ White and Shavlik Randolph jerseys, not even those guys' parents!
The ownership group is committed to winning, but they are not "all in". They are business men that have to look at the bottom line, the future of the franchise and what direction their product is trending. I guess if we have few losing seasons after this, and there is no clear action plan in place for the development of the team, then yeah, maybe Danny's position would be in jeopardy. But not now, not next year or even the year after. They have been patient with him thus far, it won a championship, got us back to championship and were a few baskets away from going to another--he got Doc to re-sign. What would he get fired for? Not sealing the deal on the Clippers trade? Not getting Chris Paul? Trading Perk away a few years ago? Could you imagine how much more awful our offense would be if we still had Perk but no Green?
I say Danny has done a solid job, and look forward to him running the show for years to come.
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I think Ainge has done a pretty [dang] good job restocking this roster year after year given his available assets. I hate how everyone is looking back at this years offseason in hindsight saying he did a TERRIBLE job putting this roster together when everyone then were applauding how "Danny did it again! He stocked us up for another run." The GM gets the players, the players have to perform, thats the bottom line. If anything, its the coaching that should get the blame for not putting together a consistent vision for how he wants his team to function.
The only thing I put blame on Ainge for is not finding a good big man. However, I dont blame him during the trade deadline for not being able to get it done, he had zero assests to trade for one because his players werent performing.
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Ainge has had this team in the playoffs ever since he brought Garnett here. It is not his fault that his players got old. He might be on the hot seat if they don't make the playoffs for several years after KG and Pierce retire.
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Ainge has done nothing wrong. He went bold in 2007-08 and brought a championship to town. We had the best team in the NBA in 2008-09, only to see KG go down with a knee injury. We went to the Finals in 2009-10. We were ready to beat the Heat in 2010-11, only to have Wade tackle Rondo, dislocating his elbow in the process. We had a 3-2 lead in the ECF of 2011-12.
This has been an unfortunate season of injuries and age, but Ainge has continually built a strong contending team in Boston.
It would be wrong to fault Ainge for not picking up certain players who happened to play well for other teams at one time or another this season - incl. Blatche, Evans, and Martin. At the beginning of the season, we had a plethora of big men, so Blatche and Evans weren't a need. It's not Ainge's fault that Darko moved home and Sully got injured. And, when Rondo and Barbosa went down, guards became a priority (especially with Bradley just returning from two surgeries), not big men. Every GM misses out on players. There is no way to tell if someone like Martin would have played as well under Doc as he is under Woodson. Knowing Doc, Martin may have racked up 30 DNP-CD.
Ainge will have a number of seasons to go bold once again. He'll have time to gather draft picks and quality players to facilitate a trade like the ones in 2007 (Allen and KG). Ainge and the Celtics owners know that superstars win championships, and Ainge will have time to find his next superstar. If he strikes out on that guy, then maybe his job is in jeopardy, but he's nowhere near that point now.
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Here's a little tidbit from ESPN's rumor section:
The New York Knicks are aiming to put an end to the Boston Celtics' 2012-13 campaign Sunday by sweeping them out of the playoffs 4-0 in the first round. Unless the C's manage to buck history and come back from 0-3 in this series, talk soon will turn to how Danny Ainge will handle his roster this offseason. Step 1 will be determining what to do with Paul Pierce's contract.
"Pierce has a team option on his contract for 2013-14 at $15.3 million, with a $5 million buyout before June 30," noted the Boston Globe's Gary Washburn. "Meanwhile, Chris Wilcox’s minimum salary is the only guaranteed money that will come off the books next season, ensuring the Celtics will again be a luxury-tax team. Even jettisoning Pierce’s contract would offer no financial flexibility because they would still be over the salary cap.
"Unless the Celtics can find takers for players such as Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, and even Brandon Bass, they will be mostly the same club next season. Being over the salary cap, the Celtics will have their mini mid-level exception available, which is the contract that attracted Ray Allen to Miami."
Looking back, Ainge's all-in approach to adding the already aging Kevin Garnett and Allen to join Pierce for their lone championship run five years ago, and his failure to add high-end youth to the roster since then, has left his hands tied now. Barring some particularly creative maneuvering by Ainge this offseason, the C's are going to remain a long way from being title contenders for years to come.
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Here's a little tidbit from ESPN's rumor section:
The New York Knicks are aiming to put an end to the Boston Celtics' 2012-13 campaign Sunday by sweeping them out of the playoffs 4-0 in the first round. Unless the C's manage to buck history and come back from 0-3 in this series, talk soon will turn to how Danny Ainge will handle his roster this offseason. Step 1 will be determining what to do with Paul Pierce's contract.
"Pierce has a team option on his contract for 2013-14 at $15.3 million, with a $5 million buyout before June 30," noted the Boston Globe's Gary Washburn. "Meanwhile, Chris Wilcox’s minimum salary is the only guaranteed money that will come off the books next season, ensuring the Celtics will again be a luxury-tax team. Even jettisoning Pierce’s contract would offer no financial flexibility because they would still be over the salary cap.
"Unless the Celtics can find takers for players such as Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, and even Brandon Bass, they will be mostly the same club next season. Being over the salary cap, the Celtics will have their mini mid-level exception available, which is the contract that attracted Ray Allen to Miami."
Looking back, Ainge's all-in approach to adding the already aging Kevin Garnett and Allen to join Pierce for their lone championship run five years ago, and his failure to add high-end youth to the roster since then, has left his hands tied now. Barring some particularly creative maneuvering by Ainge this offseason, the C's are going to remain a long way from being title contenders for years to come.
Not the article I wanna see but none the less, Danny has been known to be pretty creative.
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I think that ESPN article is wrong to say that Ainge has failed to add "high end youth" to the roster...Rondo, Sullinger, Bradley, Green
unfortunately he cant control their best player(rondo) and 2nd best big (sullinger) being injured..without Rondo there really was only a limit to what we could do in the playoffs
Rondo basically carried us last year through the playoffs.
the plan was for pierce/KG to become more complimentary pieces and Rondo/Green to handle much more of the scoring burden. now, with rondo injured too much of a scoring burden is being put on Pierce/Garnett
and they are just too old to carry the team. but if Green/Sullinger/Rondo can continue their projectory of talent I like our team alot better next year.
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I think that ESPN article is wrong to say that Ainge has failed to add "high end youth" to the roster...Rondo, Sullinger, Bradley, Green
unfortunately he cant control their best player(rondo) and 2nd best big (sullinger) being injured..without Rondo there really was only a limit to what we could do in the playoffs
Rondo basically carried us last year through the playoffs.
the plan was for pierce/KG to become more complimentary pieces and Rondo/Green to handle much more of the scoring burden. now, with rondo injured too much of a scoring burden is being put on Pierce/Garnett
and they are just too old to carry the team. but if Green/Sullinger/Rondo can continue their projectory of talent I like our team alot better next year.
Rondo and Green aren't "youth".
The other two are aiight, but certainly not top prospects.
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I'd fire him this week when they lose. He's been terrible since the title.
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I think that ESPN article is wrong to say that Ainge has failed to add "high end youth" to the roster...Rondo, Sullinger, Bradley, Green
unfortunately he cant control their best player(rondo) and 2nd best big (sullinger) being injured..without Rondo there really was only a limit to what we could do in the playoffs
Rondo basically carried us last year through the playoffs.
the plan was for pierce/KG to become more complimentary pieces and Rondo/Green to handle much more of the scoring burden. now, with rondo injured too much of a scoring burden is being put on Pierce/Garnett
and they are just too old to carry the team. but if Green/Sullinger/Rondo can continue their projectory of talent I like our team alot better next year.
Rondo and Green aren't "youth".
The other two are aiight, but certainly not top prospects.
26years old isnt youth?
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I think that ESPN article is wrong to say that Ainge has failed to add "high end youth" to the roster...Rondo, Sullinger, Bradley, Green
unfortunately he cant control their best player(rondo) and 2nd best big (sullinger) being injured..without Rondo there really was only a limit to what we could do in the playoffs
Rondo basically carried us last year through the playoffs.
the plan was for pierce/KG to become more complimentary pieces and Rondo/Green to handle much more of the scoring burden. now, with rondo injured too much of a scoring burden is being put on Pierce/Garnett
and they are just too old to carry the team. but if Green/Sullinger/Rondo can continue their projectory of talent I like our team alot better next year.
Rondo and Green aren't "youth".
The other two are aiight, but certainly not top prospects.
26years old isnt youth?
Age isn't anything in the league. It's all about games and minutes played.
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Most of his decisions have been bad since 2007.Need to find a SG to start with Rondo and a C to replace Bass
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I think that ESPN article is wrong to say that Ainge has failed to add "high end youth" to the roster...Rondo, Sullinger, Bradley, Green
unfortunately he cant control their best player(rondo) and 2nd best big (sullinger) being injured..without Rondo there really was only a limit to what we could do in the playoffs
Rondo basically carried us last year through the playoffs.
the plan was for pierce/KG to become more complimentary pieces and Rondo/Green to handle much more of the scoring burden. now, with rondo injured too much of a scoring burden is being put on Pierce/Garnett
and they are just too old to carry the team. but if Green/Sullinger/Rondo can continue their projectory of talent I like our team alot better next year.
Rondo and Green aren't "youth".
The other two are aiight, but certainly not top prospects.
26years old isnt youth?
Age isn't anything in the league. It's all about games and minutes played.
Well, and amount of time spent out of the womb. A 4 year veteran who is 22 years out of the womb for instance is typically considered 'younger' than a 4 year veteran who is 26 years out of the womb, despite playing close to the same number of games.
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I think Doc Rivers get fired before Ainge does and Ainge would probably last as long as the post-Doc permanent head coach if the Celtics end up on downward trend with no obvious hope for the future.
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What I think would merit Danny being fired is if Paul Pierce and KG retire and the Celtics get nothing for them. Maybe KG was unwilling to go but I think he might have if they really tried to convince him. Either way, if the C's missed out on assets like Eric Bledsoe/Deandre Jordan for a first round near-sweep Ainge might be the one to take the fall.
And it's also related to his track record since getting KG and Ray. It's admittedly hard to get players when you're drafting low but he's barely delivered anything. Off the top of my head I can think of these guys in 6 years: Jeff Green (looking like a big upgrade over Perk), Avery (great value for where he was picked), James Posey (had a great year with the team), and Eddie House (ditto).
But look at all the bad contracts he stuck us with last offseason. 2 more years of a washed up Jet? 3-4 years for a player that can't even get off the bench in the playoffs (Courtney Lee)? 3-4 years and decent money for a decent man-defender but undersized and streaky jump shooter (Brandon Bass)?
And how does this team not have a big? And how is this small-ball gimmick still happening? Small-ball has almost never worked for the Celtics or most other teams. It works for the Heat because they have the best player in the league.
Let's just hope KG and PP don't retire with the C's getting nothing. It could be another very slow rebuild.
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We had no idea Terry and Lee were going to have a bad season like they did. Don't think Ainge would have known that either. At the time, I think most of us would agree that Terry and Lee combo would make us a better team.
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That isn't enough to cost him his job, in my opinion. However, he accomplished little or nothing bringing in Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, Crawford and he wasted a first-round draft choice on Melo. He had his worst summer as Celtics GM.
The Celtics would be going fishing if Terry didn't play today.
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hard to add high-talent youth when you aren't drafting in the top 5-10. also, a team like OKC (which everyone likes to cite as a great example for how to build a franchise) got insanely lucky with draft lotteries. still, ainge has managed to assemble some good young pieces. green, bradley, and sully look to be solid pieces to go with rondo.
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Hope so. Best case scenario: hire Kevin McHale and see if he can give us another championship, this time as our official GM
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Here's a little tidbit from ESPN's rumor section:
The New York Knicks are aiming to put an end to the Boston Celtics' 2012-13 campaign Sunday by sweeping them out of the playoffs 4-0 in the first round. Unless the C's manage to buck history and come back from 0-3 in this series, talk soon will turn to how Danny Ainge will handle his roster this offseason. Step 1 will be determining what to do with Paul Pierce's contract.
"Pierce has a team option on his contract for 2013-14 at $15.3 million, with a $5 million buyout before June 30," noted the Boston Globe's Gary Washburn. "Meanwhile, Chris Wilcox’s minimum salary is the only guaranteed money that will come off the books next season, ensuring the Celtics will again be a luxury-tax team. Even jettisoning Pierce’s contract would offer no financial flexibility because they would still be over the salary cap.
"Unless the Celtics can find takers for players such as Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, and even Brandon Bass, they will be mostly the same club next season. Being over the salary cap, the Celtics will have their mini mid-level exception available, which is the contract that attracted Ray Allen to Miami."
Looking back, Ainge's all-in approach to adding the already aging Kevin Garnett and Allen to join Pierce for their lone championship run five years ago, and his failure to add high-end youth to the roster since then, has left his hands tied now. Barring some particularly creative maneuvering by Ainge this offseason, the C's are going to remain a long way from being title contenders for years to come.
It's even worse than that. This team is almost completely devoid of assets. Check out Simmons' latest "Trade Value" column... we don't have a single player in the top 30... and that includes the injured Rondo (who he ranked 34th in trade value).
The sum of our "young assets" is Avery Bradley... who I don't think could even fetch a lotto pick. And injured Jared Sullinger... who was probably picked right where he should have been picked (late 1st round). Fab Melo will be out of the league in a couple years. Jeff Green is a solid vet starter and getting 9 mil a year. Rest of the team is fodder.
That said, there was a point where trading the vets for value made sense... and that was over 2 years ago. We decided to ride it out and milk KG/Pierce for as long as possible. Actually, that's not technically true... Ainge tried extremely hard to move Ray for value... tried very hard to move Pierce for value... tried trading Rondo every couple months... and even apparently tried trading KG. At the end of the day, the crap we were being offered wasn't enough... it made more sense to just let these guys stick around and rebuild from scratch once they inevitably retired (obviously that doesnt' include ROndo... who is still only 28 years old and a Top 10 PG)
Despite "failing" to pull a magic superstar out of his butt, I'm extremely happy with Danny Ainge at GM. We'll miss the playoffs next year and probably suffer through at least 5 years of lotto basketball, but that is just the way stuff works. Ainge started with few assets, built a contender with a 3 year window... and now we're going to start the whole process all over again. Ainge is a proven winner. We tanked for a franchise player in 2007... and when that didn't work out we built a team that was outstanding for 3.5 years and watchable for 2 years after that. I say we tank next year for Andrew Wiggins and see what happens. Ainge is a fully competent GM. The Celtics were irrelevant for 20 years and Ainge brought us glory. Don't be a bunch of punks and take him for granted. It's not easy building a champion out of ashes.
TL;DR: Danny Ainge is one of the best GM's in the entire league. He'll do whatever he can do to make this team the best it can be. Unfortunately, the opportunities to improve this team just haven't been there.
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I don't think so. He might catch heat for not finding a suitable big man since tha Perkins trade but why should he even be on tha hot seat when Doc doesn't play the people that Danny signs?
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About the Perkins trade, I think it is safe to say we won out on that trade. Green has more upside and is a better player than Perk is today.
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Hope so. Best case scenario: hire Kevin McHale and see if he can give us another championship, this time as our official GM
I believe this works best when McHale is the GM on ANOTHER team. ;D
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Ainge has earned the right to rebuild this team. He's not going anywhere unless he wants to. Same for Doc.
Not for a few years anyway.
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Here's a little tidbit from ESPN's rumor section:
The New York Knicks are aiming to put an end to the Boston Celtics' 2012-13 campaign Sunday by sweeping them out of the playoffs 4-0 in the first round. Unless the C's manage to buck history and come back from 0-3 in this series, talk soon will turn to how Danny Ainge will handle his roster this offseason. Step 1 will be determining what to do with Paul Pierce's contract.
"Pierce has a team option on his contract for 2013-14 at $15.3 million, with a $5 million buyout before June 30," noted the Boston Globe's Gary Washburn. "Meanwhile, Chris Wilcox’s minimum salary is the only guaranteed money that will come off the books next season, ensuring the Celtics will again be a luxury-tax team. Even jettisoning Pierce’s contract would offer no financial flexibility because they would still be over the salary cap.
"Unless the Celtics can find takers for players such as Jason Terry, Courtney Lee, and even Brandon Bass, they will be mostly the same club next season. Being over the salary cap, the Celtics will have their mini mid-level exception available, which is the contract that attracted Ray Allen to Miami."
Looking back, Ainge's all-in approach to adding the already aging Kevin Garnett and Allen to join Pierce for their lone championship run five years ago, and his failure to add high-end youth to the roster since then, has left his hands tied now. Barring some particularly creative maneuvering by Ainge this offseason, the C's are going to remain a long way from being title contenders for years to come.
Add a healthy Rondo and Sully, pick up a big and possibly another scoring wing and they'll be in decent shape next year. Clearly we're still capable of playing top level defense. If Rondo was healthy right now we'd just as likely as not be heading towards a trip to the ecf.
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Yes, he should be! If you really sit down and think about it, Danny Ainge hasn't done anything productive since trading for KG. AND, you could make the argument that was attributed more to Kevin McHale being a former Celtic than Danny Ainge doing anything.
Think about it, since 2008 he's made the following blunders
-Patrick O'Bryant
-Trading Perkins for a player we didn't need
-Shaq in the twilight of his career
-Jermaine O'Neal
-Jason Terry
-Courtney Lee
-Not dealing Ray Allen for OJ Mayo when he had the chance. Then Ray bolts to Miami.
-Not acquiring a big last summer or at this year's trade deadline, when we BADLY needed it.
AND for all the talk of injuries, it's the GM's job to foresee injuries and provide the team with proper depth. Just pinning misfortunes on injuries doesn't fly. Look at the Knicks. Throughout the year the likes of Carmelo, Felton, Amar'e and Chandler have all had injuries. They seem to be doing pretty well.
Trading Perk for a player we don't need? Greens been one of our best players in the series. Perk wanted more money than worth, and it shows that he was a system guy. Yes I'd like to have Perk right now, but with Both ONeals and thinking of rebuilding with rolling the dice on trading Rondo for CP3 the following season it would have ended up being a brilliant move if CP3 okayed the trade.
Jermaine was a gamble he had his ups and downs, but its not like 7 footers are a dime a dozen some times you roll the dice on them.
Terry and Lee was in no way his fault. I remember just about EVERYONE being excited about the two of them, like we won the lottery. They were good players the season before, he brought them in, but he can't play for them. Thats all on them or Doc if he's not putting them were they need to be to succeed.
The Vets from what is said turned down the Allen for Mayo trade. THEY talked him out of it. Or the other rumor was Mayo turned it down. He was ready to pull the trigger. While Allen played well during the playoffs, he probably should have know what we do now.
Again, bigs aren't falling from the sky, and they are crazy expensive on top of that, just didn't have the money for a FA. And he had a big lined up, he had Jordan lined up, but KG turned it down. Yeah I'd hate to see KG go and probably Ange would to, but thats what it was going to cost to get a legit big, no way we could trade Melo and picks for one. He got Randolph which seems like he can play, but he's been stuck on the bench this series.
So its not for a lack of trying, he's kept them competitive every single year, two finals, to to the ECF last season with a banged up team. The was the first really bad season, and that with our best player, a hot shooting Brazilian guard, and a rookie with a ton of potential making some waves going down. And Green just has been getting his legs back the last couple months.
Give me two or three years of 22 wins or less with know site of getting better like the Bobcats then we have some thing to talk about.
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I don't see how you can blame Danny. We had a nice roster at the start of the season, and once we started to gel players started going down. He's scraped together a patchwork team that still has some fight left.
I think how he handles the next couple of years will determine whether he should be on the hot seat.
I'd love to see him bring in Oden and get a back/knee specialist for him and Sully (don't they have similar issues?) and let PP and KG have a final run if they want it.
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let PP and KG have a final run if they want it.
PP and KG are still very very important for this team. I dont see a reason why they should retire.