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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: EJPLAYA on April 08, 2013, 03:26:48 PM
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship. The play at the 2 spot has been very sporadic and Eric Gordon will solidify that and at 24 yrs old his best years should be coming. Vasquez isn't a well known name, but is a very good PG (14.1 ppg, 9.2 assists, and 4.4 rebounds) At 26 he is also a young guy and should get even better.
Why for NO - New Orleans is able to get rid of Gordon who clearly isn't very happy there. They get a big name in return to run the point and a very solid player in Lee.
Money works in the trade machine. I think this is a solid move and allows Avery to slide back to the defensive 2 guard that he is better suited to play, with backup time at 1. Love this lineup:
Vasquez/Bradley
Gordon/Bradley/Crawford/Terry
PP/Williams
Green/Sullinger/Bass/Randolph
KG/Wilcox/Melo/White
I think it also allows us to package Bass and Terry for depth. Thoughts?!
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship.
One would assume you've seen very few playoff games over the last few years, or do you just find them to be much less important than a stretch of poor play during a regular season?
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Would need to see Gordon healthier and wouldn't move Rondo for him. A package of Bradley, Sully, a contract, and maybe this year's pick for a healthy Gordon is something I would look at.
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Gordon seems like a big downside risk. What are the odds that he ever plays up to the value of his contract? Or, that he even makes us better next year than would Rondo?
And if he doesn't pan out, we have squandered tons of the possible cap room available after KG and PP retire.
If the general rule is "take on no max contract unless you are getting a franchise player," this is a definite no.
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship. The play at the 2 spot has been very sporadic and Eric Gordon will solidify that and at 24 yrs old his best years should be coming. Vasquez isn't a well known name, but is a very good PG (14.1 ppg, 9.2 assists, and 4.4 rebounds) At 26 he is also a young guy and should get even better.
Why for NO - New Orleans is able to get rid of Gordon who clearly isn't very happy there. They get a big name in return to run the point and a very solid player in Lee.
Money works in the trade machine. I think this is a solid move and allows Avery to slide back to the defensive 2 guard that he is better suited to play, with backup time at 1. Love this lineup:
Vasquez/Bradley
Gordon/Bradley/Crawford/Terry
PP/Williams
Green/Sullinger/Bass/Randolph
KG/Wilcox/Melo/White
I think it also allows us to package Bass and Terry for depth. Thoughts?!
I don't like it. We're essentially swapping stars, only we're trading our currently-injured-but-usually-healthy star for their currently-healthy(ish)-but-usually-injured star.
Doesn't seem like an equal deal to me. I love EGor's game when he's healthy, but that's rare enough that I'm not willing to give up a very valuable asset like Rondo to get him.
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship.
One would assume you've seen very few playoff games over the last few years, or do you just find them to be much less important than a stretch of poor play during a regular season?
Boston is 1-0 in the playoffs without Rondo as well.
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship. The play at the 2 spot has been very sporadic and Eric Gordon will solidify that and at 24 yrs old his best years should be coming. Vasquez isn't a well known name, but is a very good PG (14.1 ppg, 9.2 assists, and 4.4 rebounds) At 26 he is also a young guy and should get even better.
Why for NO - New Orleans is able to get rid of Gordon who clearly isn't very happy there. They get a big name in return to run the point and a very solid player in Lee.
Money works in the trade machine. I think this is a solid move and allows Avery to slide back to the defensive 2 guard that he is better suited to play, with backup time at 1. Love this lineup:
Vasquez/Bradley
Gordon/Bradley/Crawford/Terry
PP/Williams
Green/Sullinger/Bass/Randolph
KG/Wilcox/Melo/White
I think it also allows us to package Bass and Terry for depth. Thoughts?!
I don't like it. We're essentially swapping stars, only we're trading our currently-injured-but-usually-healthy star for their currently-healthy(ish)-but-usually-injured star.
Doesn't seem like an equal deal to me. I love EGor's game when he's healthy, but that's rare enough that I'm not willing to give up a very valuable asset like Rondo to get him.
Rondo is progressively getting less healthy as he ages (missing 1 game four years ago, to 14, to 13, to 44 this year).
And whatever Boston loses from Rondo to Gordon it probably makes up from Vasquez to Lee
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship.
One would assume you've seen very few playoff games over the last few years, or do you just find them to be much less important than a stretch of poor play during a regular season?
Boston is 1-0 in the playoffs without Rondo as well.
And that's what you'd base your opinion of Rondo's value in last year's playoffs on? Too funny.
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Haven't seen much of EGordon but I like Vasquez game.
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship.
One would assume you've seen very few playoff games over the last few years, or do you just find them to be much less important than a stretch of poor play during a regular season?
I think we both know better than that BBALL TIM. You know I have seen all the playoff games. Just another of your attacks versus arguing a point. Remind me what championship we have won with Rondo being the "Star" of the team? In 2008 he was a bit player and not the focus. Since he has been the focus we have gotten progressively worse and our offense has regressed. Rondo has talent, but he isn't your franchise player unless you want to barely make the playoffs and see an early exit. As was mentioned in this thread he also has gotten progressively unhealthy and his slender body matched with his aggressive style is starting to catch up to him.
Go ahead and put all your chips on Rondo and his "playoff" performances. I'd much rather improve the team by adding a great scorer at the two and a PG who can shoot the ball and has about the same stat line as he does. We'd be a better team.
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Haven't seen much of EGordon but I like Vasquez game.
Yeah, to be honest, I like what Vazquez has to offer as well. Funny how New Orleans chose Gordon over Rondo. I will gladly keep Rondo forever if his value is lower than a player like Gordon's.
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I would have considered this at the trade deadline but probably not in the summer.
I think this current team with Eric Gordon added to it could've been a major threat to make it out of the Eastern Conference. I would have liked to have seen Garnett and Pierce get one last shot at winning a title. That is why I would have considered it at this past trade deadline.
I prefer Rondo over E.Gordon as a long term building block. I think Rondo is the more valuable long term piece. There was some short-term value with Rondo out injured but as a long term trade, I don't like it.
I am also not convinced Pierce and KG have another year in them which is another reason I wouldn't make this trade in the summer. I would have to see KG and Pierce play next season before looking at this again and trying to decide if Eric Gordon is the better immediate fit for the roster versus Rondo. So 2014 at the earliest is would be willing to revisit this idea.
Until then, I would rather keep Rondo.
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Vasquez/Bradley
Gordon/Bradley/Crawford/Terry
PP/Williams
Green/Sullinger/Bass/Randolph
KG/Wilcox/Melo/White
I am not wild about that lineup. Not quite sure what it is.
It is not strong enough defensively or on the boards. Green at PF makes it quite vulnerable on the interior and on the glass. Gordon and Vasquez are a serious downgrade on the perimeter defense from Bradley and Rondo/Lee. I also wonder if there are also too many guys who need the ball in their hands offensively. Too many hands to feed.
PG - Vasquez
OG - Gordon
SF - Pierce
PF - Sully
C - Garnett
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PG - Vasquez
OG - Bradley
SF - Pierce
PF - Green
C - Garnett
I prefer the first one with Jeff Green as the sixth man. Plus, Bradley as the main backup combo guard. Two real difference makers off the bench.
I think that has the best balance. More help for Garnett down in the paint. A lot more rebounding. A low usage offensive guy (Sully) replacing a medium to plus usage guy in Green. Easier to get everybody touches and keep everyone happy. Add a backup center behind Kevin Garnett with the MLE and that would be a very strong eight man rotation. Nice and easy to fill out the rest of the lineup too with those eight pieces in place.
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship.
One would assume you've seen very few playoff games over the last few years, or do you just find them to be much less important than a stretch of poor play during a regular season?
I think we both know better than that BBALL TIM. You know I have seen all the playoff games. Just another of your attacks versus arguing a point. Remind me what championship we have won with Rondo being the "Star" of the team? In 2008 he was a bit player and not the focus. Since he has been the focus we have gotten progressively worse and our offense has regressed. Rondo has talent, but he isn't your franchise player unless you want to barely make the playoffs and see an early exit.
How do I know whether you've seen all the playoff games or not? If you did I'd be curious about why you're of the opinion that we make early exits from the playoffs. I don't think that game 7 of the ECF or game 7 of the finals really qualifies, in fact I don't think losing in the 2nd round even does. The worst we've done in the playoffs since 2008 was when Rondo was injured.
Oh, and remind me of all the championships Gordon and Vasquez have led teams to, or at least tell me how likely you think it is to happen.
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I do not understand why New Orleans wants to move Eric Gordon in the first place.
Unless they know something about his health and are convinced he isn't to be relied upon long term ... because they are a much better team with Eric Gordon in the lineup.
With Eric Gordon = 22 wins and 24 losses = .478 winning percentage
Without Eric Gordon = 26 wins and 71 losses = .268 winning percentage
His contract is fair value for a player of his ability if he could stay healthy.
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship.
One would assume you've seen very few playoff games over the last few years, or do you just find them to be much less important than a stretch of poor play during a regular season?
I think we both know better than that BBALL TIM. You know I have seen all the playoff games. Just another of your attacks versus arguing a point. Remind me what championship we have won with Rondo being the "Star" of the team? In 2008 he was a bit player and not the focus. Since he has been the focus we have gotten progressively worse and our offense has regressed. Rondo has talent, but he isn't your franchise player unless you want to barely make the playoffs and see an early exit. As was mentioned in this thread he also has gotten progressively unhealthy and his slender body matched with his aggressive style is starting to catch up to him.
Go ahead and put all your chips on Rondo and his "playoff" performances. I'd much rather improve the team by adding a great scorer at the two and a PG who can shoot the ball and has about the same stat line as he does. We'd be a better team.
I'll pass. I am not terribly enamored with Gordon's game - although I'm clearly open to moving Rondo. In fact, I think it's a prerequisite to rebuilding the franchise for the post-Big 3 transition.
From this exchange, I guess I haven't been around here enough or read enough threads to catch the removal of the "no poster attacks" rule.
Gonna have to read some more threads to look for free-for-alls then.
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I do not understand why New Orleans wants to move Eric Gordon in the first place.
Unless they know something about his health and are convinced he isn't to be relied upon long term ... because they are a much better team with Eric Gordon in the lineup.
With Eric Gordon = 22 wins and 24 losses = .478 winning percentage
Without Eric Gordon = 26 wins and 71 losses = .268 winning percentage
His contract is fair value for a player of his ability if he could stay healthy.
From your numbers he's missed twice as many games as he played, and I think he missed quite a few games with LA as well. That's a big reason to want move that contract.
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I actually think Vasquez is the real prize in that deal. Gordon's value is at an all time low right now given his health concerns, max contract and attitude. I think a deal surrounding Bradley, Melo, Lee and a heavily protected first could be enough to pique the Hornets interest:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d32752n
The Hornets seem really eager to move Gordon before he becomes a problem on their young team. They get out from under his contract, have a ridiculously young and talented back court with Vasquez, Rivers, Bradley and Lee, almost 6m in cap savings and eventually a first (not to mention Melo to develop).
Boston takes on all the risk by picking up Gordon so they can get him at a discount. Even though its risky, I think Gordon (if healthy) would be the perfect scoring 2 guard to pair with Rondo. One has the potential to be a 20+ a game scorer and the other is double double machine.
If we are trading Rondo, our one true blue chip trading asset, I want to get a young talented big with lots of upside. They are a lot harder to come by than scoring SGs or all around PGs.
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I think we both know better than that BBALL TIM. You know I have seen all the playoff games. Just another of your attacks versus arguing a point. Remind me what championship we have won with Rondo being the "Star" of the team? In 2008 he was a bit player and not the focus. Since he has been the focus we have gotten progressively worse and our offense has regressed. Rondo has talent, but he isn't your franchise player unless you want to barely make the playoffs and see an early exit. As was mentioned in this thread he also has gotten progressively unhealthy and his slender body matched with his aggressive style is starting to catch up to him.
Rondo has flat out won some games and thereby series in the playoffs. Gordon has not won crap. The problem isn't RR this year, other guys were not playing as well. I think we were a pretty bad team w/o KG. That bit player put it to CLE in 08 and did a lot in 09.
If your mark of value is how many series a player has won? Why trade Rondo for Gordon who is not exactly Mr. Playoffs?
I'd much rather improve the team by adding a great scorer at the two and a PG who can shoot the ball and has about the same stat line as he does. We'd be a better team.
Great Scorer? He is a good scorer at best and a mediocre defender no? I would not call him great at anything. He is a good scorer. But you do realize he only shot .40% from the FG%? You do realize he scored only 16.5 PPG? You and I have vastly different ideas of great, my friend.
Vasquez is a better player presently.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/eric_gordon/career_stats.html
One may note that Eric Gordon has never been on a team that made the playoffs. That ought to speak volumes of his greatness or lack thereof or what a bad trade this is made not out of value of the team but rather hatred of Rondo.
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I do not understand why New Orleans wants to move Eric Gordon in the first place.
He's an injury-prone player who doesn't want to be in New Orleans. The Hornets may have matched his offer sheet with the intention of trading him later because they didn't want to let him walk with nothing in return. So, trading him may have always been the plan.
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Gordon just had another scuffle with coach Monty... I think he got benched for what, the last 21 minutes?
Eric Gordon didn't even want to be resigned but Hornets matched the Suns' offer sheet, I believe.
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Gordon just had another scuffle with coach Monty... I think he got benched for what, the last 21 minutes?
Eric Gordon didn't even want to be resigned but Hornets matched the Suns' offer sheet, I believe.
The sad part: if he stopped pouting for a minute, he'd actually see that New Orleans has a lot of talened young pieces and he can be the centerpiece of what they're doing. Anthony Davis can be a superstar, Vazquez is a pretty good pg, Aminu still has untapped potential and continues to show flashes. Monty Williams is a solid coach. There are far worse rebuilding situations to be in for a young player.
Gordon can prove me wrong in a few years but as of right now, he's not a guy would want as key cog of a rebuild. Too injured and not sure the commitment is there.
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Gordon just had another scuffle with coach Monty... I think he got benched for what, the last 21 minutes?
Eric Gordon didn't even want to be resigned but Hornets matched the Suns' offer sheet, I believe.
The sad part: if he stopped pouting for a minute, he'd actually see that New Orleans has a lot of talened young pieces and he can be the centerpiece of what they're doing. Anthony Davis can be a superstar, Vazquez is a pretty good pg, Aminu still has untapped potential and continues to show flashes. Monty Williams is a solid coach. There are far worse rebuilding situations to be in for a young player.
Gordon can prove me wrong in a few years but as of right now, he's not a guy would want as key cog of a rebuild. Too injured and not sure the commitment is there.
I couldn't agree more. New Orleans is slowly amassing the pieces to potentially be very competitive in the near future and Gordon is so young and talented that he could have been the leader of that team. At this point I don't see a way they can keep him around with his attitude on such a young team unless he starts changing his tune and fast.
I think its a situation where he already made the decision that he wanted out before the season when he signed with the Suns and was upset that the Hornets matched the offer. At that time New Orleans didn't have the best outlook.
Its only been in the last year (after Gordon had already made his mind up that he wanted out) that they've shown a lot of promise with Davis looking like a great pick, Vasquez breaking out and solid play from Lopez, Aminu and Anderson.
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship. The play at the 2 spot has been very sporadic and Eric Gordon will solidify that and at 24 yrs old his best years should be coming. Vasquez isn't a well known name, but is a very good PG (14.1 ppg, 9.2 assists, and 4.4 rebounds) At 26 he is also a young guy and should get even better.
Why for NO - New Orleans is able to get rid of Gordon who clearly isn't very happy there. They get a big name in return to run the point and a very solid player in Lee.
Money works in the trade machine. I think this is a solid move and allows Avery to slide back to the defensive 2 guard that he is better suited to play, with backup time at 1. Love this lineup:
Vasquez/Bradley
Gordon/Bradley/Crawford/Terry
PP/Williams
Green/Sullinger/Bass/Randolph
KG/Wilcox/Melo/White
I think it also allows us to package Bass and Terry for depth. Thoughts?!
I don't like it. We're essentially swapping stars, only we're trading our currently-injured-but-usually-healthy star for their currently-healthy(ish)-but-usually-injured star.
Doesn't seem like an equal deal to me. I love EGor's game when he's healthy, but that's rare enough that I'm not willing to give up a very valuable asset like Rondo to get him.
Rondo is progressively getting less healthy as he ages (missing 1 game four years ago, to 14, to 13, to 44 this year).
And whatever Boston loses from Rondo to Gordon it probably makes up from Vasquez to Lee
You cant make that argument because of an acl injury. Its not wear and tear that wore his body down to the point that he couldnt play. It was a freak accident. One that for some reason has occured a ridiculous high number this year for some odd reason.
an argument projected on injury to worth. Irving has missed quite a few games in his first 2 years, doubt that is going to matter when cleveland offer him a max contract.
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Vasquez might've been good for my Pick Two team, but not for the Celtics.
EGor has potential, but I'd stick with what we know: Rondo.
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship. The play at the 2 spot has been very sporadic and Eric Gordon will solidify that and at 24 yrs old his best years should be coming. Vasquez isn't a well known name, but is a very good PG (14.1 ppg, 9.2 assists, and 4.4 rebounds) At 26 he is also a young guy and should get even better.
Why for NO - New Orleans is able to get rid of Gordon who clearly isn't very happy there. They get a big name in return to run the point and a very solid player in Lee.
Money works in the trade machine. I think this is a solid move and allows Avery to slide back to the defensive 2 guard that he is better suited to play, with backup time at 1. Love this lineup:
Vasquez/Bradley
Gordon/Bradley/Crawford/Terry
PP/Williams
Green/Sullinger/Bass/Randolph
KG/Wilcox/Melo/White
I think it also allows us to package Bass and Terry for depth. Thoughts?!
I don't like it. We're essentially swapping stars, only we're trading our currently-injured-but-usually-healthy star for their currently-healthy(ish)-but-usually-injured star.
Doesn't seem like an equal deal to me. I love EGor's game when he's healthy, but that's rare enough that I'm not willing to give up a very valuable asset like Rondo to get him.
Rondo is progressively getting less healthy as he ages (missing 1 game four years ago, to 14, to 13, to 44 this year).
And whatever Boston loses from Rondo to Gordon it probably makes up from Vasquez to Lee
You cant make that argument because of an acl injury. Its not wear and tear that wore his body down to the point that he couldnt play. It was a freak accident. One that for some reason has occured a ridiculous high number this year for some odd reason.
an argument projected on injury to worth. Irving has missed quite a few games in his first 2 years, doubt that is going to matter when cleveland offer him a max contract.
-Completely agree, an ACL tear is not a nagging, re-occurring injury, so you can't blame Rondo for that.It's alarming how many ACL tears there was this season...my gosh.
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yucky
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I don't really like Gordon for the Celtics because of his injury problems and salary that could really eat into our cap room post KG and PP if he doesn't work out, but I have to say that his situation seems like one of those very rare opportunities where a team can get a true talent at a real discount.
If he works out he has the potential to turn a team into a championship contender. At the same time because of his salary and length of contract he could hamstring them for the next several years and only be on the court for a fraction of the time.
Some team is going to take a chance on him (Golden State maybe? for Thompson/Barnes plus Biedrins/Jefferson?), I just hope its not the Celtics.
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what has Eric Gordon done in this league other then put up ok numbers on trash teams and miss seasons?
Lol
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I don't really like Gordon for the Celtics because of his injury problems and salary that could really eat into our cap room post KG and PP if he doesn't work out, but I have to say that his situation seems like one of those very rare opportunities where a team can get a true talent at a real discount.
If he works out he has the potential to turn a team into a championship contender. At the same time because of his salary and length of contract he could hamstring them for the next several years and only be on the court for a fraction of the time.
Some team is going to take a chance on him (Golden State maybe? for Thompson/Barnes plus Biedrins/Jefferson?), I just hope its not the Celtics.
Eric Gordon is turning no one into a contender...that is actually comical. It's a rare opportunity for new Orleans to get our young star for nothing. thanks but no thanks.
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what has Eric Gordon done in this league other then put up ok numbers on trash teams and miss seasons?
Lol
This is pretty spot on.
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I don't really like Gordon for the Celtics because of his injury problems and salary that could really eat into our cap room post KG and PP if he doesn't work out, but I have to say that his situation seems like one of those very rare opportunities where a team can get a true talent at a real discount.
If he works out he has the potential to turn a team into a championship contender. At the same time because of his salary and length of contract he could hamstring them for the next several years and only be on the court for a fraction of the time.
Some team is going to take a chance on him (Golden State maybe? for Thompson/Barnes plus Biedrins/Jefferson?), I just hope its not the Celtics.
Eric Gordon is turning no one into a contender...that is actually comical. It's a rare opportunity for new Orleans to get our young star for nothing. thanks but no thanks.
Gordon at full strength and if healthy can be a guy who averages 20ppg. If you add that kind of scoring ability to a team that already has some really good pieces he could easily turn them into a contender. Teams like Memphis, Golden State, Utah, Indiana or Minnesota could really do some damage with that kind of production (if he can stay on the court).
Especially if they get him at a discount because they are taking a risk on his health and because of his price tag.
The talent is there, he has just struggled with injuries. If you can get a guy like that without giving back equal return it could be a game changer (or screw your team for the rest of his contract).
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship. The play at the 2 spot has been very sporadic and Eric Gordon will solidify that and at 24 yrs old his best years should be coming. Vasquez isn't a well known name, but is a very good PG (14.1 ppg, 9.2 assists, and 4.4 rebounds) At 26 he is also a young guy and should get even better.
Why for NO - New Orleans is able to get rid of Gordon who clearly isn't very happy there. They get a big name in return to run the point and a very solid player in Lee.
Money works in the trade machine. I think this is a solid move and allows Avery to slide back to the defensive 2 guard that he is better suited to play, with backup time at 1. Love this lineup:
Vasquez/Bradley
Gordon/Bradley/Crawford/Terry
PP/Williams
Green/Sullinger/Bass/Randolph
KG/Wilcox/Melo/White
I think it also allows us to package Bass and Terry for depth. Thoughts?!
I don't like it. We're essentially swapping stars, only we're trading our currently-injured-but-usually-healthy star for their currently-healthy(ish)-but-usually-injured star.
Doesn't seem like an equal deal to me. I love EGor's game when he's healthy, but that's rare enough that I'm not willing to give up a very valuable asset like Rondo to get him.
Rondo is progressively getting less healthy as he ages (missing 1 game four years ago, to 14, to 13, to 44 this year).
And whatever Boston loses from Rondo to Gordon it probably makes up from Vasquez to Lee
You cant make that argument because of an acl injury. Its not wear and tear that wore his body down to the point that he couldnt play. It was a freak accident. One that for some reason has occured a ridiculous high number this year for some odd reason.
an argument projected on injury to worth. Irving has missed quite a few games in his first 2 years, doubt that is going to matter when cleveland offer him a max contract.
what argument did I make? I merely pointed out the facts that Rajon Rondo is missing more and more games as a result of injury.
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More and more reports out there have New Orleans looking to move Eric Gordon this coming offseason. Here's a thought to improve the team overall and put ourselves in a better position for the future. I think it even gives us another run next year if they don't want to move PP and/or KG.
Boston gets :
Eric Gordon
Grievis Vasquez
NO gets :
Rajon Rondo
Courtney Lee
Why for Boston - Boston has shown the last half of this season that they really don't play much different with or without Rondo. He isn't the difference in a championship. The play at the 2 spot has been very sporadic and Eric Gordon will solidify that and at 24 yrs old his best years should be coming. Vasquez isn't a well known name, but is a very good PG (14.1 ppg, 9.2 assists, and 4.4 rebounds) At 26 he is also a young guy and should get even better.
Why for NO - New Orleans is able to get rid of Gordon who clearly isn't very happy there. They get a big name in return to run the point and a very solid player in Lee.
Money works in the trade machine. I think this is a solid move and allows Avery to slide back to the defensive 2 guard that he is better suited to play, with backup time at 1. Love this lineup:
Vasquez/Bradley
Gordon/Bradley/Crawford/Terry
PP/Williams
Green/Sullinger/Bass/Randolph
KG/Wilcox/Melo/White
I think it also allows us to package Bass and Terry for depth. Thoughts?!
I don't like it. We're essentially swapping stars, only we're trading our currently-injured-but-usually-healthy star for their currently-healthy(ish)-but-usually-injured star.
Doesn't seem like an equal deal to me. I love EGor's game when he's healthy, but that's rare enough that I'm not willing to give up a very valuable asset like Rondo to get him.
Rondo is progressively getting less healthy as he ages (missing 1 game four years ago, to 14, to 13, to 44 this year).
And whatever Boston loses from Rondo to Gordon it probably makes up from Vasquez to Lee
You cant make that argument because of an acl injury. Its not wear and tear that wore his body down to the point that he couldnt play. It was a freak accident. One that for some reason has occured a ridiculous high number this year for some odd reason.
an argument projected on injury to worth. Irving has missed quite a few games in his first 2 years, doubt that is going to matter when cleveland offer him a max contract.
what argument did I make? I merely pointed out the facts that Rajon Rondo is missing more and more games as a result of injury.
From http://www.hornets247.com/2013/02/18/an-outline-of-eric-gordons-injury-history/, a list of Gordon's injuries:
2008-09 Season (78 out of 82 games)
February 2009 (4 games) – Bruised left shoulder
2009-10 Season (62 out of 82 games)
November 2009 (8 games) – Strained groin
December 2009 (1 game) – Precautionary (hamstring tightness)
January 2010 (3 games) – Sprained left big toe
March 2010 (5 games) – Groin injury
April 2010 (3 games) – Viral infection (final 3 games of the season; Clippers tanking?)
2010-11 Season (56 out of 82 games)
November 2010 (2 games) – Bruised left shoulder
January 2011 (18 games) – Right wrist bone chip fracture (which he played through for 17 minutes after first suffering the injury)
March 2011(6 games) – Re-injury to right wrist
2011-12 Season (9 out of 66 games)
December 2011 (57 games) – Right knee injury
2012-13 Season (18 out of 53 games)
October 2012 (29 games) – Right knee injury
January 2013 (5 games) – Rest (back-to-back games)
February 2013 (1 game) – Sprained right hand (precautionary due to prior wrist injury)
They have a pretty nice write up on Gordon's trade value and his durability
Rondo's had a foot injury and an ankle injury in 2010 and 2011? Those are wear and tear from learning to take on an increased role, maybe?
His elbow and ACL aren't exactly results of his apparent lack of durability.
That's what I know anyway. I'm probably wrong.
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I don't really like Gordon for the Celtics because of his injury problems and salary that could really eat into our cap room post KG and PP if he doesn't work out, but I have to say that his situation seems like one of those very rare opportunities where a team can get a true talent at a real discount.
If he works out he has the potential to turn a team into a championship contender. At the same time because of his salary and length of contract he could hamstring them for the next several years and only be on the court for a fraction of the time.
Some team is going to take a chance on him (Golden State maybe? for Thompson/Barnes plus Biedrins/Jefferson?), I just hope its not the Celtics.
Eric Gordon is turning no one into a contender...that is actually comical. It's a rare opportunity for new Orleans to get our young star for nothing. thanks but no thanks.
Gordon at full strength and if healthy can be a guy who averages 20ppg. If you add that kind of scoring ability to a team that already has some really good pieces he could easily turn them into a contender. Teams like Memphis, Golden State, Utah, Indiana or Minnesota could really do some damage with that kind of production (if he can stay on the court).
Especially if they get him at a discount because they are taking a risk on his health and because of his price tag.
The talent is there, he has just struggled with injuries. If you can get a guy like that without giving back equal return it could be a game changer (or screw your team for the rest of his contract).
exactly. I think of a lot this depends on where Boston thinks it is going. I could easily see a Gordon & Vasquez trade for Rondo & Lee being made if KG and PP return, because I think that trade in the short term makes Boston a more likely contender. Vasquez is a very good PG and Gordon is the scorer that Boston lacks and the guy that could really take pressure off of Pierce (coupled with Green getting more minutes so Pierce is fresh for the playoffs). Also, Rondo has an ACL injury. No one knows when he will playing and even if he does how the injury will affect him. I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is just not right at all next year and needs the extra year to fully recover (then again he could be an adrian peterson type, you just don't know). So, if I'm Boston and KG and PP come back, I think I make the trade, if KG and/or PP retire, I think I stick it out with Rondo and either build around him going forward or trade him when his value is at its highest (which is not this summer).
So say the trade is made
PG - Vasquez, Bradley, Terry
SG - Gordon, Bradley, Crawford
SF - Pierce, Green
PF - Green, Sullinger, Bass
C - Garnett, Melo
Team clearly needs a back-up center from free agency and/or the draft (Kelly Olynyck might fill part of that role). I just think that team next year with health has a higher upside then that team with Rondo and Lee.
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I don't really like Gordon for the Celtics because of his injury problems and salary that could really eat into our cap room post KG and PP if he doesn't work out, but I have to say that his situation seems like one of those very rare opportunities where a team can get a true talent at a real discount.
If he works out he has the potential to turn a team into a championship contender. At the same time because of his salary and length of contract he could hamstring them for the next several years and only be on the court for a fraction of the time.
Some team is going to take a chance on him (Golden State maybe? for Thompson/Barnes plus Biedrins/Jefferson?), I just hope its not the Celtics.
Eric Gordon is turning no one into a contender...that is actually comical. It's a rare opportunity for new Orleans to get our young star for nothing. thanks but no thanks.
Gordon at full strength and if healthy can be a guy who averages 20ppg. If you add that kind of scoring ability to a team that already has some really good pieces he could easily turn them into a contender. Teams like Memphis, Golden State, Utah, Indiana or Minnesota could really do some damage with that kind of production (if he can stay on the court).
Especially if they get him at a discount because they are taking a risk on his health and because of his price tag.
The talent is there, he has just struggled with injuries. If you can get a guy like that without giving back equal return it could be a game changer (or screw your team for the rest of his contract).
exactly. I think of a lot this depends on where Boston thinks it is going. I could easily see a Gordon & Vasquez trade for Rondo & Lee being made if KG and PP return, because I think that trade in the short term makes Boston a more likely contender. Vasquez is a very good PG and Gordon is the scorer that Boston lacks and the guy that could really take pressure off of Pierce (coupled with Green getting more minutes so Pierce is fresh for the playoffs). Also, Rondo has an ACL injury. No one knows when he will playing and even if he does how the injury will affect him. I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is just not right at all next year and needs the extra year to fully recover (then again he could be an adrian peterson type, you just don't know). So, if I'm Boston and KG and PP come back, I think I make the trade, if KG and/or PP retire, I think I stick it out with Rondo and either build around him going forward or trade him when his value is at its highest (which is not this summer).
So say the trade is made
PG - Vasquez, Bradley, Terry
SG - Gordon, Bradley, Crawford
SF - Pierce, Green
PF - Green, Sullinger, Bass
C - Garnett, Melo
Team clearly needs a back-up center from free agency and/or the draft (Kelly Olynyck might fill part of that role). I just think that team next year with health has a higher upside then that team with Rondo and Lee.
That lineup is without question very strong. But I can't get behind Eric Gordon just because of the injuries (and if I'm trading Rondo I've said all along I want a big in return because they're so hard to find/develop).
It comes down to whether you are risk averse or not. If Gordon plays the (almost) the whole season and performs like he is capable they are really dangerous. But if for the rest of that max contract you only see him on the court for half a season there and a quarter of a season here and so on and so on, it kills your chances of rebuilding post KG and PP and he will have basically no trade value. If his contract was signed before the new CBA and he could be amnestied I'd be more willing.
Its personal preference. The talent is there, but I can't get myself to take that risk when we could use cap room to build around Rondo or assets we get back in exchange for Rondo.
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I don't really like Gordon for the Celtics because of his injury problems and salary that could really eat into our cap room post KG and PP if he doesn't work out, but I have to say that his situation seems like one of those very rare opportunities where a team can get a true talent at a real discount.
If he works out he has the potential to turn a team into a championship contender. At the same time because of his salary and length of contract he could hamstring them for the next several years and only be on the court for a fraction of the time.
Some team is going to take a chance on him (Golden State maybe? for Thompson/Barnes plus Biedrins/Jefferson?), I just hope its not the Celtics.
Eric Gordon is turning no one into a contender...that is actually comical. It's a rare opportunity for new Orleans to get our young star for nothing. thanks but no thanks.
Gordon at full strength and if healthy can be a guy who averages 20ppg. If you add that kind of scoring ability to a team that already has some really good pieces he could easily turn them into a contender. Teams like Memphis, Golden State, Utah, Indiana or Minnesota could really do some damage with that kind of production (if he can stay on the court).
Especially if they get him at a discount because they are taking a risk on his health and because of his price tag.
The talent is there, he has just struggled with injuries. If you can get a guy like that without giving back equal return it could be a game changer (or screw your team for the rest of his contract).
exactly. I think of a lot this depends on where Boston thinks it is going. I could easily see a Gordon & Vasquez trade for Rondo & Lee being made if KG and PP return, because I think that trade in the short term makes Boston a more likely contender. Vasquez is a very good PG and Gordon is the scorer that Boston lacks and the guy that could really take pressure off of Pierce (coupled with Green getting more minutes so Pierce is fresh for the playoffs). Also, Rondo has an ACL injury. No one knows when he will playing and even if he does how the injury will affect him. I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo is just not right at all next year and needs the extra year to fully recover (then again he could be an adrian peterson type, you just don't know). So, if I'm Boston and KG and PP come back, I think I make the trade, if KG and/or PP retire, I think I stick it out with Rondo and either build around him going forward or trade him when his value is at its highest (which is not this summer).
So say the trade is made
PG - Vasquez, Bradley, Terry
SG - Gordon, Bradley, Crawford
SF - Pierce, Green
PF - Green, Sullinger, Bass
C - Garnett, Melo
Team clearly needs a back-up center from free agency and/or the draft (Kelly Olynyck might fill part of that role). I just think that team next year with health has a higher upside then that team with Rondo and Lee.
That lineup is without question very strong. But I can't get behind Eric Gordon just because of the injuries (and if I'm trading Rondo I've said all along I want a big in return because they're so hard to find/develop).
It comes down to whether you are risk averse or not. If Gordon plays the (almost) the whole season and performs like he is capable they are really dangerous. But if for the rest of that max contract you only see him on the court for half a season there and a quarter of a season here and so on and so on, it kills your chances of rebuilding post KG and PP and he will have basically no trade value. If his contract was signed before the new CBA and he could be amnestied I'd be more willing.
Its personal preference. The talent is there, but I can't get myself to take that risk when we could use cap room to build around Rondo or assets we get back in exchange for Rondo.
I actually disagree with part of your statement. If Gordon is hurt all the time it will probably help Boston rebuild because it will get the team a higher draft pick, which is really the way to build assets. The key is whether or not Gordon is hurt next year and frankly he seems pretty healthy right now. If he makes it the rest of the year, I would actually feel better about Gordon than Rondo, at least next year.
I don't think there are big men anywhere near Rondo's talent/skill level that Boston could trade for Rondo (maybe some very young raw talent that needs awhile to develop, but nothing out there right now unless they are old like Pau Gasol). It would be a clear step back, which I'm not necessarily opposed to if KG and PP retire, but wouldn't be my first choice.
Maybe Boston could alter the NO trade and also get back Robin Lopez. Maybe Melo and a future 1st is enough for him to be included though it probably would take Sullinger and I may be ok with that as Robin Lopez is a very strong back-up center who could also play with KG at times.
So Rondo, Lee, Sullinger, Protected 1st for Vasquez, Gordon, Lopez.
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We are over flowing with guards now, WHY would we want another suspect player that will cost big money and produce less than what we have now? Got to be kidding.... :D
I'll keep Rondo , AB and Crawford
Have a nice day.
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I don't think there are big men anywhere near Rondo's talent/skill level that Boston could trade for Rondo (maybe some very young raw talent that needs awhile to develop, but nothing out there right now unless they are old like Pau Gasol).
I suppose someone could come up with a convoluted multi-team trade, a specialty of internet forums suggesting trades, and come up with a scenario for dealing Rondo in a sign-and-trade acquisition of Andrew Bynum.
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I don't think there are big men anywhere near Rondo's talent/skill level that Boston could trade for Rondo (maybe some very young raw talent that needs awhile to develop, but nothing out there right now unless they are old like Pau Gasol).
I suppose someone could come up with a convoluted multi-team trade, a specialty of internet forums suggesting trades, and come up with a scenario for dealing Rondo in a sign-and-trade acquisition of Andrew Bynum.
possibly, but Bynum makes Gordon look like a picture of health.
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I don't think there are big men anywhere near Rondo's talent/skill level that Boston could trade for Rondo (maybe some very young raw talent that needs awhile to develop, but nothing out there right now unless they are old like Pau Gasol).
I suppose someone could come up with a convoluted multi-team trade, a specialty of internet forums suggesting trades, and come up with a scenario for dealing Rondo in a sign-and-trade acquisition of Andrew Bynum.
possibly, but Bynum makes Gordon look like a picture of health.
If Gordon's health doesn't bother you, why should Bynum's? And some people here say they would rather trade for a big than a guard. So, why not suggest trading Rondo for a big whose health is at least as questionable as Gordon's? I'm not in favor of trading for either, but perhaps it might be more interesting to talk about.
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I don't think there are big men anywhere near Rondo's talent/skill level that Boston could trade for Rondo (maybe some very young raw talent that needs awhile to develop, but nothing out there right now unless they are old like Pau Gasol).
I suppose someone could come up with a convoluted multi-team trade, a specialty of internet forums suggesting trades, and come up with a scenario for dealing Rondo in a sign-and-trade acquisition of Andrew Bynum.
possibly, but Bynum makes Gordon look like a picture of health.
If Gordon's health doesn't bother you, why should Bynum's? And some people here say they would rather trade for a big than a guard. So, why not suggest trading Rondo for a big whose health is at least as questionable as Gordon's? I'm not in favor of trading for either, but perhaps it might be more interesting to talk about.
because I'm not sure Bynum will ever play again. Gordon is healthy and playing right now.
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I don't think there are big men anywhere near Rondo's talent/skill level that Boston could trade for Rondo (maybe some very young raw talent that needs awhile to develop, but nothing out there right now unless they are old like Pau Gasol).
I suppose someone could come up with a convoluted multi-team trade, a specialty of internet forums suggesting trades, and come up with a scenario for dealing Rondo in a sign-and-trade acquisition of Andrew Bynum.
Bynum is another guy, like Gordon, that is going to be the center of a lot of trade talks because his injury woes drop his value low enough that teams think they have a chance at picking him up without sending out equal value for the talent.
I think the difference with Gordon and Bynum is that Gordon has had a few different injuries (wrist, hamstring, knee). he is more injury prone than permanently injured. On the other hand Bynum just has knee problems straight up, which is scary for a young big man that is going to demand a big contract. Knees are a career killer.
As for there not being any bigs out there with Rondo's talent that could be traded for I think there are a few. Demarcus Cousins (the Kings have shopped him for WAY less), Al Horford (if the Hawks want to retain Smith and pair him with Rondo), Greg Munroe (maybe if Calderon walks and they think Drummond can be the future). Those guys would net a big and ancillary pieces too probably.
Then there are other package deals or complicated multi-team deals with quality but not star bigs and other assets like McGee from the Nuggets with others (think Lawson).
Theres definitely options out there to score a big though.
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From your numbers he's missed twice as many games as he played, and I think he missed quite a few games with LA as well. That's a big reason to want move that contract.
BballTim, I wouldn't do that trade, but let's not think that a Gordon for Rondo deal, if both were 100% healthy, is utterly ridiculous.
A few things...
Coach K actually chose Gordon over Rondo on Team USA in 2010.
The Hornets could've had a Rondo based package for CP3, but instead chose a package centered around Gordon.
You constantly bring up that Rondo led us to a title, but there were plenty of players that could've replaced Rondo and we very likely still win the title. I think we still win that year with a Cassell/House 1-2 punch. Rondo was blessed with playing for Doc and alongside the Big 3.
You also like to say that the reason we were struggling as a team was because we had players that were struggling individually. Isn't Rondo, as a pass-first superstar pg, supposed to make their job easier? Isn't the very definition of a superstar to make those players around him better?
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From your numbers he's missed twice as many games as he played, and I think he missed quite a few games with LA as well. That's a big reason to want move that contract.
BballTim, I wouldn't do that trade, but let's not think that a Gordon for Rondo deal, if both were 100% healthy, is utterly ridiculous.
A few things...
Coach K actually chose Gordon over Rondo on Team USA in 2010.
The Hornets could've had a Rondo based package for CP3, but instead chose a package centered around Gordon.
You constantly bring up that Rondo led us to a title, but there were plenty of players that could've replaced Rondo and we very likely still win the title. I think we still win that year with a Cassell/House 1-2 punch. Rondo was blessed with playing for Doc and alongside the Big 3.
You also like to say that the reason we were struggling as a team was because we had players that were struggling individually. Isn't Rondo, as a pass-first superstar pg, supposed to make their job easier? Isn't the very definition of a superstar to make those players around him better?
I think 2010 Eric Gordon was close in value to 2010 Rondo - the CP trade is evidence of that, as is the contract he received.
But since then Rondo had two years (2011 and 2012) in which was an All-Star, was named to the All-Defense or All-NBA teams, and even received MVP votes. He also put together three consecutive impressive postseasons.
In that same time Gordon has played only a little more than a half season of basketball in which he was at an All-Star level. And, he hasn't shown that he has recovered fully from the ACL tear. (Neither has Rondo of course).
I'm not totally against the Celts moving Rondo, but I'd want it to happen as part of a total rebuild more than a lateral move for the present. And as I've said above, I think Gordon carries too much downside risk with that contract.
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From your numbers he's missed twice as many games as he played, and I think he missed quite a few games with LA as well. That's a big reason to want move that contract.
BballTim, I wouldn't do that trade, but let's not think that a Gordon for Rondo deal, if both were 100% healthy, is utterly ridiculous.
A few things...
Coach K actually chose Gordon over Rondo on Team USA in 2010.
The Hornets could've had a Rondo based package for CP3, but instead chose a package centered around Gordon.
You constantly bring up that Rondo led us to a title, but there were plenty of players that could've replaced Rondo and we very likely still win the title. I think we still win that year with a Cassell/House 1-2 punch. Rondo was blessed with playing for Doc and alongside the Big 3.
You also like to say that the reason we were struggling as a team was because we had players that were struggling individually. Isn't Rondo, as a pass-first superstar pg, supposed to make their job easier? Isn't the very definition of a superstar to make those players around him better?
I think 2010 Eric Gordon was close in value to 2010 Rondo - the CP trade is evidence of that, as is the contract he received.
But since then Rondo had two years (2011 and 2012) in which was an All-Star, was named to the All-Defense or All-NBA teams, and even received MVP votes. He also put together three consecutive impressive postseasons.
In that same time Gordon has played only a little more than a half season of basketball in which he was at an All-Star level. And, he hasn't shown that he has recovered fully from the ACL tear. (Neither has Rondo of course).
I'm not totally against the Celts moving Rondo, but I'd want it to happen as part of a total rebuild more than a lateral move for the present. And as I've said above, I think Gordon carries too much downside risk with that contract.
I agree with you. But the reason why Rondo is probably valued higher around the league is Gordon's inability to remain healthy and not a disparity in talent.
And I think that Rondo is extremely overrated defensively, while Gordon is extremely underrated on that end.
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From your numbers he's missed twice as many games as he played, and I think he missed quite a few games with LA as well. That's a big reason to want move that contract.
BballTim, I wouldn't do that trade, but let's not think that a Gordon for Rondo deal, if both were 100% healthy, is utterly ridiculous.
A few things...
Coach K actually chose Gordon over Rondo on Team USA in 2010.
The Hornets could've had a Rondo based package for CP3, but instead chose a package centered around Gordon.
You constantly bring up that Rondo led us to a title, but there were plenty of players that could've replaced Rondo and we very likely still win the title. I think we still win that year with a Cassell/House 1-2 punch. Rondo was blessed with playing for Doc and alongside the Big 3.
You also like to say that the reason we were struggling as a team was because we had players that were struggling individually. Isn't Rondo, as a pass-first superstar pg, supposed to make their job easier? Isn't the very definition of a superstar to make those players around him better?
First of all I've never said that Rondo led us to a title, I've said that Rondo's led the team to deep playoff runs. Secondly it is Rondo's job to make the other player's job easier and he's got a long track record of doing just that. However that doesn't magically make players healthier or make them come back from injuries faster or make the bigs play good defense when KG's on the bench. Those were our major problems. I realize that many here were blaming all of those things on Rondo but I disagree with that stance.
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Rondo has helped us in a playoff series with his play. Eric Gordon has never made or help his team make the playoffs.
This trade is at best a lateral move and at worse we are getting a worse player.
A shooting guard that shoots .40% from the field will shoot you out of more games than win them. He did shoot .40% from the field today. There is a reason his teams never make the post season. Over 14 Shot attempts per game via field goal range and over 4.7 from three point land. That is 18.7 shot attempts per game for 17 PPG. They averaged 91.9 possessions per game last year and he took 20% of their shots. That is not Celtic Basketball.
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A shooting guard that shoots .40% from the field will shoot you out of more games than win them. He did shoot .40% from the field today. There is a reason his teams never make the post season. Over 14 Shot attempts per game via field goal range and over 4.7 from three point land. That is 18.7 shot attempts per game for 17 PPG. They averaged 91.9 possessions per game last year and he took 20% of their shots. That is not Celtic Basketball.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4469/career;_ylt=AuHDdGuJ.gK84OcPCiklbXfSPaB4
I think you should look at his career sample size and not pass judgement based on his injury riddled year.
Would I do the trade, no. But only because of Gordon's injury woes. However, his shooting/scoring ability is great to put alongside Bradley and would really make me think about it. Scoring 22 ppg in the NBA at 22 years old is a pretty lofty feat.
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I think you should look at his career sample size and not pass judgement based on his injury riddled year.
Yeah, ignoring an entire career and only focusing on part of one season is pretty ridiculous, isn't it?
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I think you should look at his career sample size and not pass judgement based on his injury riddled year.
Should we do sign Tracy McGrady for 6-mil now? His stats are real good, I'm surprised no one has signed him... we can get a real steal!
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I think you should look at his career sample size and not pass judgement based on his injury riddled year.
Yeah, ignoring an entire career and only focusing on part of one season is pretty ridiculous, isn't it?
It is. Just like focusing on certain playoff performances, but ignoring a Finals series where because of one players lack of shooting ability it allowed the other team to have a defender play off the said player and help everywhere else.
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I think you should look at his career sample size and not pass judgement based on his injury riddled year.
Should we do sign Tracy McGrady for 6-mil now? His stats are real good, I'm surprised no one has signed him... we can get a real steal!
Good comparison. When does Gordon turn 33?
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This trade is at best a lateral move and at worse we are getting a worse player.
I think you and everyone else calling this a ridiculous trade suggestion is forgetting about a key player in this deal: Greivis Vasquez.
In his first full year as the starting PG he is averaging 14ppg, 9 assists and 4-5 rebounds a game, which is very similar to the stat lines Rondo has posted the last 3 years which are around 12/11/5. And to top it off he can actually knock down his free throws at 80% from the line.
Now I'm not trying to say that Vasquez is at Rondo's level, but to suggest that this deal boils down to just Rondo for Gordon is a major mischaracterization.
Vasquez is an excellent passer, decent shooter (solid from 3), a great slasher to the basket and he can finish at the rim and do damage at the foul line. He doesn't have any amazing physical talent but he is big for a PG at 6'6 and uses his size well. He is solid defensively and like Rondo doesn't mind doing some dirty work on the board especially with his size.
Gordon's scoring potential is a major improvement over what we are currently getting from our SGs and would allow Bradley to go back to being a tempo changing defensive force off the bench. Vasquez is admittedly a step down from Rondo and doesn't have that same ability to take over a game but he can do a lot of the same things on a consistent basis.
I still wouldn't make the deal, but its not as ridiculous as people are making it out to be.
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This trade is at best a lateral move and at worse we are getting a worse player.
I think you and everyone else calling this a ridiculous trade suggestion is forgetting about a key player in this deal: Greivis Vasquez.
In his first full year as the starting PG he is averaging 14ppg, 9 assists and 4-5 rebounds a game, which is very similar to the stat lines Rondo has posted the last 3 years which are around 12/11/5. And to top it off he can actually knock down his free throws at 80% from the line.
Now I'm not trying to say that Vasquez is at Rondo's level, but to suggest that this deal boils down to just Rondo for Gordon is a major mischaracterization.
Vasquez is an excellent passer, decent shooter (solid from 3), a great slasher to the basket and he can finish at the rim and do damage at the foul line. He doesn't have any amazing physical talent but he is big for a PG at 6'6 and uses his size well. He is solid defensively and like Rondo doesn't mind doing some dirty work on the board especially with his size.
Gordon's scoring potential is a major improvement over what we are currently getting from our SGs and would allow Bradley to go back to being a tempo changing defensive force off the bench. Vasquez is admittedly a step down from Rondo and doesn't have that same ability to take over a game but he can do a lot of the same things on a consistent basis.
I still wouldn't make the deal, but its not as ridiculous as people are making it out to be.
I find Vasquez to be by far the more appealing player in the trade. I would actually think it's more likely that NOH says no because of him rather than Gordon. (Though I think ultimately they would be drooling at the prospect of Rondo and Davis paired together for the next several years.)
To me though, even Vasquez doesn't offset the possibility that we end up with a 15 ppg, 40% shooter owed $44 million over the next three years, when we are giving up our only real trade asset.
But I agree, Vasquez is a heck of a bargain right now. And he's a better fit IMO with Bradley than Rondo is, because he's a decent shooter from 3 and you could even cross-match him onto weaker SGs because of his size, leaving Bradley to pester the opposing PG.
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I think you should look at his career sample size and not pass judgement based on his injury riddled year.
Yeah, ignoring an entire career and only focusing on part of one season is pretty ridiculous, isn't it?
It is.
At least you're willing to admit it.
Just like focusing on certain playoff performances, but ignoring a Finals series where because of one players lack of shooting ability it allowed the other team to have a defender play off the said player and help everywhere else.
I don't ignore it at all. I just think his play in the finals in 2010 was affected by the injury he picked up during the Orlando series. Not that it's likely you'd have noticed anything like that.
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Yeah, ignoring an entire career and only focusing on part of one season is pretty ridiculous, isn't it?
Only his FG %, was from this year. The rest of his numbers are career numbers folks. Not that I would expect you to notice that.
He never lead his team to anything.
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I think you should look at his career sample size and not pass judgement based on his injury riddled year.
Should we do sign Tracy McGrady for 6-mil now? His stats are real good, I'm surprised no one has signed him... we can get a real steal!
Good comparison. When does Gordon turn 33?
It seems like any day now.
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Maybe Boston could alter the NO trade and also get back Robin Lopez. Maybe Melo and a future 1st is enough for him to be included though it probably would take Sullinger and I may be ok with that as Robin Lopez is a very strong back-up center who could also play with KG at times.
So Rondo, Lee, Sullinger, Protected 1st for Vasquez, Gordon, Lopez.
If we could get Lopez back, then I probably would strongly consider it (depends on how things play out this offseason with KG and PP). But I'm not giving up Sully or Bradley, maybe its asking for too much, but I think we have the luxury of being picky when we are offering a proven asset like Rondo.
Maybe Rondo, Lee, Melo and we draft and trade Kelly Olynyk (or another big). Swapping PG/SGs and Cs.
Garnett/Lopez/Shav
Sully/Bass
Pierce/Green
Gordon/Terry/Crawford
Vasquez/Bradley/Williams
Thats a solid lineup with some really good depth. We'd be really competitive and there is a lot of youth behind KG, PP and Terry so when they retire we can bring in complementary FAs and not drop off the face of the earth. The Hornets probably aren't willing to give up that much talent for basically just Rondo, but I'm not taking on a risky max guy like Gordon without some other strong pieces being included.
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Maybe Boston could alter the NO trade and also get back Robin Lopez. Maybe Melo and a future 1st is enough for him to be included though it probably would take Sullinger and I may be ok with that as Robin Lopez is a very strong back-up center who could also play with KG at times.
So Rondo, Lee, Sullinger, Protected 1st for Vasquez, Gordon, Lopez.
If we could get Lopez back, then I probably would strongly consider it (depends on how things play out this offseason with KG and PP). But I'm not giving up Sully or Bradley, maybe its asking for too much, but I think we have the luxury of being picky when we are offering a proven asset like Rondo.
Maybe Rondo, Lee, Melo and we draft and trade Kelly Olynyk (or another big). Swapping PG/SGs and Cs.
Garnett/Lopez/Shav
Sully/Bass
Pierce/Green
Gordon/Terry/Crawford
Vasquez/Bradley/Williams
Thats a solid lineup with some really good depth. We'd be really competitive and there is a lot of youth behind KG, PP and Terry so when they retire we can bring in complementary FAs and not drop off the face of the earth. The Hornets probably aren't willing to give up that much talent for basically just Rondo, but I'm not taking on a risky max guy like Gordon without some other strong pieces being included.
But you aren't trading a healthy Rondo. You are trading a Rondo coming off an ACL injury. No one has any idea what kind of player he is going to be and as such his value is not nearly as high as it would have been. Boston isn't giving up Rondo and a bunch of crap and getting back Vasquez, Gordon, and Lopez. There needs to be some other real value included especially with Rondo's health concerns.
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Maybe Boston could alter the NO trade and also get back Robin Lopez. Maybe Melo and a future 1st is enough for him to be included though it probably would take Sullinger and I may be ok with that as Robin Lopez is a very strong back-up center who could also play with KG at times.
So Rondo, Lee, Sullinger, Protected 1st for Vasquez, Gordon, Lopez.
If we could get Lopez back, then I probably would strongly consider it (depends on how things play out this offseason with KG and PP). But I'm not giving up Sully or Bradley, maybe its asking for too much, but I think we have the luxury of being picky when we are offering a proven asset like Rondo.
Maybe Rondo, Lee, Melo and we draft and trade Kelly Olynyk (or another big). Swapping PG/SGs and Cs.
Garnett/Lopez/Shav
Sully/Bass
Pierce/Green
Gordon/Terry/Crawford
Vasquez/Bradley/Williams
Thats a solid lineup with some really good depth. We'd be really competitive and there is a lot of youth behind KG, PP and Terry so when they retire we can bring in complementary FAs and not drop off the face of the earth. The Hornets probably aren't willing to give up that much talent for basically just Rondo, but I'm not taking on a risky max guy like Gordon without some other strong pieces being included.
But you aren't trading a healthy Rondo. You are trading a Rondo coming off an ACL injury. No one has any idea what kind of player he is going to be and as such his value is not nearly as high as it would have been. Boston isn't giving up Rondo and a bunch of crap and getting back Vasquez, Gordon, and Lopez. There needs to be some other real value included especially with Rondo's health concerns.
In fairness you suggested Melo and a future first and then conceded that Sully would have to be included most likely to get the deal done, my final offer would stop short at Sully and just be Melo and a first plus Rondo and Lee.
I realize you aren't trading a healthy Rondo, but given that his injury was a partial tear and he is expected to come back 100% (I know nothing is a sure thing especially with knees) I would say his value hasn't absolutely plummeted and I would shop him around at the same level that I would once he comes back because either a team is willing to make a deal going on faith that he will come back the same player or I'm not bothering to trade him until I can get his full value.
No sense in moving him at a discount now, when next February/Summer you could be getting much more value for him.
I was originally totally against the idea. I think Rondo alone is worth Vasquez and Gordon given the fact that the former might be at his ceiling with his physical tools and the latter has major injury concerns and a larger contract. I wouldn't make the deal if it just returned the pair of them, Rondo is probably worth more (when fully healthy) than both of them together, so either we also come away with Lopez and they are willing to take just Melo and a pick as extra compensation or I walk away. There will be plenty of other opportunities to improve this team via a Rondo trade that would net us a better return IMO than just Gordon and Vasquez.
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Maybe Boston could alter the NO trade and also get back Robin Lopez. Maybe Melo and a future 1st is enough for him to be included though it probably would take Sullinger and I may be ok with that as Robin Lopez is a very strong back-up center who could also play with KG at times.
So Rondo, Lee, Sullinger, Protected 1st for Vasquez, Gordon, Lopez.
If we could get Lopez back, then I probably would strongly consider it (depends on how things play out this offseason with KG and PP). But I'm not giving up Sully or Bradley, maybe its asking for too much, but I think we have the luxury of being picky when we are offering a proven asset like Rondo.
Maybe Rondo, Lee, Melo and we draft and trade Kelly Olynyk (or another big). Swapping PG/SGs and Cs.
Garnett/Lopez/Shav
Sully/Bass
Pierce/Green
Gordon/Terry/Crawford
Vasquez/Bradley/Williams
Thats a solid lineup with some really good depth. We'd be really competitive and there is a lot of youth behind KG, PP and Terry so when they retire we can bring in complementary FAs and not drop off the face of the earth. The Hornets probably aren't willing to give up that much talent for basically just Rondo, but I'm not taking on a risky max guy like Gordon without some other strong pieces being included.
But you aren't trading a healthy Rondo. You are trading a Rondo coming off an ACL injury. No one has any idea what kind of player he is going to be and as such his value is not nearly as high as it would have been. Boston isn't giving up Rondo and a bunch of crap and getting back Vasquez, Gordon, and Lopez. There needs to be some other real value included especially with Rondo's health concerns.
In fairness you suggested Melo and a future first and then conceded that Sully would have to be included most likely to get the deal done, my final offer would stop short at Sully and just be Melo and a first plus Rondo and Lee.
I realize you aren't trading a healthy Rondo, but given that his injury was a partial tear and he is expected to come back 100% (I know nothing is a sure thing especially with knees) I would say his value hasn't absolutely plummeted and I would shop him around at the same level that I would once he comes back because either a team is willing to make a deal going on faith that he will come back the same player or I'm not bothering to trade him until I can get his full value.
No sense in moving him at a discount now, when next February/Summer you could be getting much more value for him.
I was originally totally against the idea. I think Rondo alone is worth Vasquez and Gordon given the fact that the former might be at his ceiling with his physical tools and the latter has major injury concerns and a larger contract. I wouldn't make the deal if it just returned the pair of them, Rondo is probably worth more (when fully healthy) than both of them together, so either we also come away with Lopez and they are willing to take just Melo and a pick as extra compensation or I walk away. There will be plenty of other opportunities to improve this team via a Rondo trade that would net us a better return IMO than just Gordon and Vasquez.
I just don't see Gordon and Vasquez as a discount. Vasquez is a rising star (I know he is 26, but he is in just his third year) and Gordon can be an incredible scorer. As has been pointed out, New Orleans preferred Gordon instead of Rondo in a Chris Paul trade. There is a reason for that. Now obviously he hasn't been healthy and he is unhappy in New Orleans, but the talent is there. The trade, even with Sullinger, is a pretty clear "talent" upgrade for Boston. It really is a no brainer and Ainge would do it in an instant.
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Maybe Boston could alter the NO trade and also get back Robin Lopez. Maybe Melo and a future 1st is enough for him to be included though it probably would take Sullinger and I may be ok with that as Robin Lopez is a very strong back-up center who could also play with KG at times.
So Rondo, Lee, Sullinger, Protected 1st for Vasquez, Gordon, Lopez.
If we could get Lopez back, then I probably would strongly consider it (depends on how things play out this offseason with KG and PP). But I'm not giving up Sully or Bradley, maybe its asking for too much, but I think we have the luxury of being picky when we are offering a proven asset like Rondo.
Maybe Rondo, Lee, Melo and we draft and trade Kelly Olynyk (or another big). Swapping PG/SGs and Cs.
Garnett/Lopez/Shav
Sully/Bass
Pierce/Green
Gordon/Terry/Crawford
Vasquez/Bradley/Williams
Thats a solid lineup with some really good depth. We'd be really competitive and there is a lot of youth behind KG, PP and Terry so when they retire we can bring in complementary FAs and not drop off the face of the earth. The Hornets probably aren't willing to give up that much talent for basically just Rondo, but I'm not taking on a risky max guy like Gordon without some other strong pieces being included.
But you aren't trading a healthy Rondo. You are trading a Rondo coming off an ACL injury. No one has any idea what kind of player he is going to be and as such his value is not nearly as high as it would have been. Boston isn't giving up Rondo and a bunch of crap and getting back Vasquez, Gordon, and Lopez. There needs to be some other real value included especially with Rondo's health concerns.
In fairness you suggested Melo and a future first and then conceded that Sully would have to be included most likely to get the deal done, my final offer would stop short at Sully and just be Melo and a first plus Rondo and Lee.
I realize you aren't trading a healthy Rondo, but given that his injury was a partial tear and he is expected to come back 100% (I know nothing is a sure thing especially with knees) I would say his value hasn't absolutely plummeted and I would shop him around at the same level that I would once he comes back because either a team is willing to make a deal going on faith that he will come back the same player or I'm not bothering to trade him until I can get his full value.
No sense in moving him at a discount now, when next February/Summer you could be getting much more value for him.
I was originally totally against the idea. I think Rondo alone is worth Vasquez and Gordon given the fact that the former might be at his ceiling with his physical tools and the latter has major injury concerns and a larger contract. I wouldn't make the deal if it just returned the pair of them, Rondo is probably worth more (when fully healthy) than both of them together, so either we also come away with Lopez and they are willing to take just Melo and a pick as extra compensation or I walk away. There will be plenty of other opportunities to improve this team via a Rondo trade that would net us a better return IMO than just Gordon and Vasquez.
I just don't see Gordon and Vasquez as a discount. Vasquez is a rising star (I know he is 26, but he is in just his third year) and Gordon can be an incredible scorer. As has been pointed out, New Orleans preferred Gordon instead of Rondo in a Chris Paul trade. There is a reason for that. Now obviously he hasn't been healthy and he is unhappy in New Orleans, but the talent is there. The trade, even with Sullinger, is a pretty clear "talent" upgrade for Boston. It really is a no brainer and Ainge would do it in an instant.
Vasquez is a rising star, but I think this is his ceiling (fringe top 10, more likely top 15 PG). Gordon can be an incredible scorer, but he has health issues and a max contract a terrible combo, plus his behavior is pushing him out of NO. They chose him over Rondo and look how thats worked out, they are already shopping and have barely got half a season out of him.
I do think that the upgrade over our current SG position would probably outweigh the downgrade at PG, but the bottom line is that in my opinion, and it may just be personal preference, there are better deals out there.
And just so I'm not one of those guys who says no there is better and provides no alternatives, this is one of my top choices: Rondo, Lee, Melo, Pick to the Kings for Cousins, Evans and Thomas.
Evans and Gordon have about the same career numbers, Evans has none of the injury issues and would come in a sign and trade at a lower figure. Cousins is a 20/10 big with baggage that fills a huge hole and Thomas is a promising PG. Less risk, more reward, same price (heavily rumored trade option even after Rondo went down).
Bottom line is in order to take a risk on Gordon and give up our biggest asset in Rondo I want to be overwhelmed by the Hornets and the only way to do that is to get Lopez as well. I admit its a lopsided trade, but thats what it would take to get me to sign off.
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Were I to trade Rondo it would be for a young big. Not an oft injured SG. Bradley is not a PG though and how much longer will PP be around to be point forward.
I think we can draft a decent SG perhaps this year if we don't land a big.
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Maybe Boston could alter the NO trade and also get back Robin Lopez. Maybe Melo and a future 1st is enough for him to be included though it probably would take Sullinger and I may be ok with that as Robin Lopez is a very strong back-up center who could also play with KG at times.
So Rondo, Lee, Sullinger, Protected 1st for Vasquez, Gordon, Lopez.
If we could get Lopez back, then I probably would strongly consider it (depends on how things play out this offseason with KG and PP). But I'm not giving up Sully or Bradley, maybe its asking for too much, but I think we have the luxury of being picky when we are offering a proven asset like Rondo.
Maybe Rondo, Lee, Melo and we draft and trade Kelly Olynyk (or another big). Swapping PG/SGs and Cs.
Garnett/Lopez/Shav
Sully/Bass
Pierce/Green
Gordon/Terry/Crawford
Vasquez/Bradley/Williams
Thats a solid lineup with some really good depth. We'd be really competitive and there is a lot of youth behind KG, PP and Terry so when they retire we can bring in complementary FAs and not drop off the face of the earth. The Hornets probably aren't willing to give up that much talent for basically just Rondo, but I'm not taking on a risky max guy like Gordon without some other strong pieces being included.
But you aren't trading a healthy Rondo. You are trading a Rondo coming off an ACL injury. No one has any idea what kind of player he is going to be and as such his value is not nearly as high as it would have been. Boston isn't giving up Rondo and a bunch of crap and getting back Vasquez, Gordon, and Lopez. There needs to be some other real value included especially with Rondo's health concerns.
In fairness you suggested Melo and a future first and then conceded that Sully would have to be included most likely to get the deal done, my final offer would stop short at Sully and just be Melo and a first plus Rondo and Lee.
I realize you aren't trading a healthy Rondo, but given that his injury was a partial tear and he is expected to come back 100% (I know nothing is a sure thing especially with knees) I would say his value hasn't absolutely plummeted and I would shop him around at the same level that I would once he comes back because either a team is willing to make a deal going on faith that he will come back the same player or I'm not bothering to trade him until I can get his full value.
No sense in moving him at a discount now, when next February/Summer you could be getting much more value for him.
I was originally totally against the idea. I think Rondo alone is worth Vasquez and Gordon given the fact that the former might be at his ceiling with his physical tools and the latter has major injury concerns and a larger contract. I wouldn't make the deal if it just returned the pair of them, Rondo is probably worth more (when fully healthy) than both of them together, so either we also come away with Lopez and they are willing to take just Melo and a pick as extra compensation or I walk away. There will be plenty of other opportunities to improve this team via a Rondo trade that would net us a better return IMO than just Gordon and Vasquez.
I just don't see Gordon and Vasquez as a discount. Vasquez is a rising star (I know he is 26, but he is in just his third year) and Gordon can be an incredible scorer. As has been pointed out, New Orleans preferred Gordon instead of Rondo in a Chris Paul trade. There is a reason for that. Now obviously he hasn't been healthy and he is unhappy in New Orleans, but the talent is there. The trade, even with Sullinger, is a pretty clear "talent" upgrade for Boston. It really is a no brainer and Ainge would do it in an instant.
Vasquez is a rising star, but I think this is his ceiling (fringe top 10, more likely top 15 PG). Gordon can be an incredible scorer, but he has health issues and a max contract a terrible combo, plus his behavior is pushing him out of NO. They chose him over Rondo and look how thats worked out, they are already shopping and have barely got half a season out of him.
I do think that the upgrade over our current SG position would probably outweigh the downgrade at PG, but the bottom line is that in my opinion, and it may just be personal preference, there are better deals out there.
And just so I'm not one of those guys who says no there is better and provides no alternatives, this is one of my top choices: Rondo, Lee, Melo, Pick to the Kings for Cousins, Evans and Thomas.
Evans and Gordon have about the same career numbers, Evans has none of the injury issues and would come in a sign and trade at a lower figure. Cousins is a 20/10 big with baggage that fills a huge hole and Thomas is a promising PG. Less risk, more reward, same price (heavily rumored trade option even after Rondo went down).
Bottom line is in order to take a risk on Gordon and give up our biggest asset in Rondo I want to be overwhelmed by the Hornets and the only way to do that is to get Lopez as well. I admit its a lopsided trade, but thats what it would take to get me to sign off.
Yeah but Sacramento/Seattle is not going to make that trade. I know it was discussed heavily on this board, but Sacramento was not going to trade Cousins and certainly not going to trade Cousins, Evans, and Thomas for Rondo and a pile of crap. It will never happen so there is no point in discussing it like it is a possibility.
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Yeah but Sacramento/Seattle is not going to make that trade. I know it was discussed heavily on this board, but Sacramento was not going to trade Cousins and certainly not going to trade Cousins, Evans, and Thomas for Rondo and a pile of crap. It will never happen so there is no point in discussing it like it is a possibility.
The mere fact that they've shopped Cousins consistently for the last season and a half would suggest to me that they've strongly considered dealing him. The Celtics have shopped Rondo for a solid 3 years now and he is still on our roster, doesn't mean we aren't seriously looking at offers.
The deal wasn't just discussed heavily on this board, a good few analysts suggested it (Simmons posted 3 versions of it, he is a Boston homer, but still). That suggests to me that there is some strength to it. Rondo has the star power a team like Sacramento/Seattle needs.
Cousins is a major headache that as recently as February was discussed in a deal with the C's that didn't involve Rondo, PP or KG, so they were getting way less value than this deal would provide. Evans has been getting worse each year since his ROY campaign and needs a change of scenery. He's a restricted FA that didn't get an early offer at the start of the season and is going to command 10m minimum on the open market.
Now on the surface it seems like a deal that favors the Celtics too much, but the C's aren't going for a Cousins for Rondo swap and Evans might just walk with no return anyway. I'd be perfectly happy to include Sully or Bradley in a deal plus our pick this year since it nets us a building block big.
So something like: Rondo, Sully, Lee, Melo and our 2013 first, I think is enough to pique their interest (and I'd throw in Crawford if necessary or discuss a HEAVILY protected future first).
They get their PG for the future in Rondo, save 10m by not signing Evans, which can go to a big like Millsap or take a run at Josh Smith to pair with Rondo. A pick in the teens this year and a solid young big in Sully, a project in Melo, and SGs to replace Evans in Lee and Crawford.
Thats a pretty [dang] good haul. Add in their lottery pick this year and some of their young talent (Thornton, Patterson, Fredette) and they have an interesting team with star power now. And even if they suck again next year (which I'd say they would anyway with Cousins and Evans) they get another lottery pick in a great draft.
Bottom line is that Rondo is our only chance at a future, either building around him or getting assets for him. If the deals out there aren't blowing Danny away then hold off until his value goes back up or build around him. If we settle we are going to end up like the Kings. Cousins and Evans is great, Gordon is too risky and doesn't get us a big. Theres no rush to trade Rondo.