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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: kgainez on March 31, 2013, 09:54:08 PM
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I have to say, I was scared with Paul at the SG...didn't think he could keep with faster, younger guards...but sheesh...they are a wreck for other teams.
My question, though is how does this work out when KG comes back?
JG and PP have really been shouldering much of the load and have played a lot of 2 man ball. I know that's usually KG...so do you think that if Jeff continues to start that KG becomes more of the 2nd or 3rd option? Do you see Jeff going back to the bench? Do you see Jeff regressing as a starter? What kind of role will KG play? more midrange...you get PP out on the arc, Jeff in the paint and KG taking that 17-18 footer that he loves?
I mean...wouldn't it be nice?
I'm just wondering.
Guess this is more of an 'I called it' thread for those who want to participate.
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Bradley or Bass need to hit the bench. Both are bench guys in this league, not starters!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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I like Green coming in as the first man off the bench.
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I like Green coming in as the first man off the bench.
YOU?
really?
I think I like Jeff guy as the last starter to the bench lol
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I have to say, I was scared with Paul at the SG...didn't think he could keep with faster, younger guards...but sheesh...they are a wreck for other teams.
My question, though is how does this work out when KG comes back?
JG and PP have really been shouldering much of the load and have played a lot of 2 man ball. I know that's usually KG...so do you think that if Jeff continues to start that KG becomes more of the 2nd or 3rd option? Do you see Jeff going back to the bench? Do you see Jeff regressing as a starter? What kind of role will KG play? more midrange...you get PP out on the arc, Jeff in the paint and KG taking that 17-18 footer that he loves?
I mean...wouldn't it be nice?
I'm just wondering.
Guess this is more of an 'I called it' thread for those who want to participate.
I was NOT scared. I was begging for this all season. I told you so :) and check my posts!
Pierce and green combining for 40 plus points every game is Fun to watch. Add KG to the mix, and our defense will go up that much more.
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I like Green coming in as the first man off the bench.
YOU?
really?
I think I like Jeff guy as the last starter to the bench lol
If we have Jeff/PP/KG all starting, there will be guaranteed scoring problems down the stretch. We need a good scorer or two off the bench; it's always been our Achilles heel.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
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I like Green coming in as the first man off the bench.
YOU?
really?
I think I like Jeff guy as the last starter to the bench lol
If we have Jeff/PP/KG all starting, there will be guaranteed scoring problems down the stretch. We need a good scorer or two off the bench; it's always been our Achilles heel.
No. Lee Terry and randolph (williams/crawford too) These guys can score off bench.
In 2008 when we had Pierce KG and Allen, did we move one to the bench for scoring? NO!
Play your best players!
I can't stand people changing things for the bench. Do you realize that playoff rotations consist of 8 players. Just 8. the "bench" only accounts for 18 min max for a game. It is different beast. Starters play 30 and it is important for them to be the best. Hence green starts.
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Jeff should continue to come off the bench.
Bradley-Lee-Pierce-Bass-KG was fantastic defensively.
Having the flexibility with Jeff to either go big or small depending on how Lee/Pierce/Bass are doing/foul trouble, will be huge. Also having him come in and having a guy fresh to run the offense through will be a big boost.
Hopefully now he has realized he can score on anyone, anywhere and his confidence will stay where it is.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
When you think about it, Pierce is pulling a 2012 KG. Hop in that time machine, Paul!
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
Are you kidding me?
Pierce has been a beast the past couple months and this past week.
Lebron, Durant and maybe CP3 are the only guys I'd take over him since Rondo went down.
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I like Green coming in as the first man off the bench.
YOU?
really?
I think I like Jeff guy as the last starter to the bench lol
If we have Jeff/PP/KG all starting, there will be guaranteed scoring problems down the stretch. We need a good scorer or two off the bench; it's always been our Achilles heel.
i disagree. i think one of the biggest issues with JET and his 'slump' is cuz he's trying to create for other players. not necessarily looking for his shot as aggressively as he should be. not option #1 in the bench.
i think jet looks at the bench like a starter kind of. he needs to be that guy. right now he's not, and that's half his fault. but i think it could happen. 15 pts from jet a night is not a lot to ask, esp if he's guy #1. then you have #2 being a combo of crawford and/or lee.
and then of course, that means you're puttin Bass on the bench. Shav can contribute with putbacks. I also think T-Will should shoot more but Doc doesnt see it that way.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
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It depends on matchups. Against Indiana or Brooklyn, I think that would be a good line-up. Against the Knicks or Heat, Green should play PF to guard Lebron/Melo with Lee coming in for Bass.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
Are you kidding me?
Pierce has been a beast the past couple months and this past week.
Lebron, Durant and maybe CP3 are the only guys I'd take over him since Rondo went down.
My opinion and I am not kidding. I would take those guys and a lot of other guys around the league over him right now.
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They're both fantastic. As has Bass, at times. Terry, at times too.
Step up, bench!
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree to a certain extent. don't think he's as clutchy as he used to be. the last call PP iso almost always end in a face to palm moment. i think also, he knows this and that's why he's trying to contribute in different places. look at a guy like jason kidd.
but i try not to be so closeminded and I appreciate him now. Do I think the team should move on? I think they should def be thinking about it. sure
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
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Since the Rondo injury:
Paul Pierce- 18.6 PPG, 7.5 REB, 6.4 AST, .463 FG%, .417 3PT%
Jeff Green- 15.9 PPG, 4.3 REB, 2.4 AST, .490 FG%, .408 3PT%
That's a pretty [dang] good dynamic duo. I have no idea how anybody could complain... especially about Truth. I'll give you that Green could be better on the boards, and over the past 10 games he has, but that's about all I'll give you.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
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Since the Rondo injury:
Paul Pierce- 18.6 PPG, 7.5 REB, 6.4 AST, .463 FG%, .417 3PT%
Jeff Green- 15.9 PPG, 4.3 REB, 2.4 AST, .490 FG%, .408 3PT%
That's a pretty [dang] good dynamic duo. I have no idea how anybody could complain... especially about Truth. I'll give you that Green could be better on the boards, and over the past 10 games he has, but that's about all I'll give you.
I meant more in tandem with JG starting...but I agree. dynamic indeed
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
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edit - no personal attacks
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Wilcox
Kg
Green
Pierce
Bradley
Do it up Doc
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goodness gracious
he's entitled to his opinion
smh
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
Sure, it's my opinion, but it's an opinion that's very well supported by the play of Paul Pierce.
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Lol, just cause I critiqued *gasp* Paul Pierce. He is the Celtic no one can talk about right? Well, of course KG too, I bet.
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Jeff and Paul have been playing great lately, especially the last three weeks.
Except, in that time the team has gone 4-8. A scintillating .333 winning percentage over three weeks time. That's a seventh of the season.
This team needs a healthy KG. This team needs a healthy Rondo. This team needs a healthy Lee. This team needs a healthy Sullinger. And this team needs Terry and Bass and Bradley to step up their overall games and be more consistent as a whole.
Jeff and Paul are doing great, however, it is probably all for naught as the two of them probably aren't enough to win a playoff game, never mind a playoff series. We need the whole team and this year, sadly, that isn't going to happen.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
oh ok. i getcha. but I think everyone kind of has those days. IE, JG going for 43pts and losing.
so if Paul doesn't play next game, how do you gauge that? individual stats or team win, then?
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goodness gracious
he's entitled to his opinion
smh
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Where did I say he was overratted? I just think his career is at an end point and I look forward to Jeff Green without him.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
oh ok. i getcha. but I think everyone kind of has those days. IE, JG going for 43pts and losing.
so if Paul doesn't play next game, how do you gauge that? individual stats or team win, then?
I am looking forward to seeing what Jeff can do on his own. So I guess Green's individual stats. The team will be undermanned, so I am not expecting a win.
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You know, Oklahoma City and Seattle fans don't openly gush about the good ole days when Jeff Green was a number one option and they were winning 25 games a year. I don't understand how some people here can openly gush and hope for the day when Jeff Green will be a number one option for this team and it will be winning 25 games a year.
Me, I would rather have Pierce, Rondo, KG, Sully, Bradley, Lee, Green, and everyone else in their roles, playing great and this being an overall great team with Jeff Green as the number 2-3 option that he probably fills a whole lot better than being a number one option and not being around Paul Pierce or KG or Rondo.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg. Some pretty good stats in wins as well.
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You know, Oklahoma City and Seattle fans don't openly gush about the good ole days when Jeff Green was a number one option and they were winning 25 games a year. I don't understand how some people here can openly gush and hope for the day when Jeff Green will be a number one option for this team and it will be winning 25 games a year.
Me, I would rather have Pierce, Rondo, KG, Sully, Bradley, Lee, Green, and everyone else in their roles, playing great and this being an overall great team with Jeff Green as the number 2-3 option that he probably fills a whole lot better than being a number one option and not being around Paul Pierce or KG or Rondo.
I said nothing about Jeff being #1 option. I'm just looking toward the future. KG and Pierce have like 1 year left in them.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg. Some pretty good stats in wins as well.
No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
Green had a good stat line tonight too, but the team lost by double digits.
How is that anymore impressive than Pierce who had 11 more rebounds/3 more assists and just 3 less points?
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
Green had a good stat line tonight too, but the team lost by double digits.
How is that anymore impressive than Pierce who had 11 more rebounds/3 more assists and just 3 less points?
It shows he is improving and has potential to be consistent. He wasn't playing like this early in the year. We all know what Pierce is capable of, but they used to win we he played like that(or at least stay competitive in the game).
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg. Some pretty good stats in wins as well.
No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.
Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard. Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down.
I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys. To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late. It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded.
Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league. I think it's time we started rating him around here.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg. Some pretty good stats in wins as well.
No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.
Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard. Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down.
I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys. To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late. It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded.
Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league. I think it's time we started rating him around here.
He is still playing with an injury. Like he said the pinched nerve probably won't go away. This happened last year too. He came in out of shape (I understand the lockout, but still). Vets obviously do this all time (Dirk came into the season out of shape too).
Yes, you are right, I believe the over dependance on the vets is holding the young guys back. That is mostly Doc's fault, in my opinion. But I understand the importance of vet presence on the team.
I agree, Paul Pierce has been overlooked and underrated throughout his career. I also agree, his play after Rondo went down the main reason that the Celtics are even going to the playoffs.
But the title of the thread is "Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?" To me..Jeff yes. Not so much about Paul. I know. Do I like the combination of them together? Not really, because it's not effective to me. The game against the Knicks shows that. I'm just loving that Jeff can be consistent cause I was starting to think he couldn't be.
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Can someone please ban zimbo. This kind of talk is an embarrassment to Celtics fans. Pierce has been playing at an unreal level for a long time now. He's played far better than I thought even possible this season.
No, Pierce isn't as athletic or explosive as he used to be. He also doesn't have the physical endurance he used to have. He's older. But he's been insanely efficient. Been on fire on offense from all over the floor, is getting to the line, is playing great defense, but most of all, his rebounding has been insane since Sullinger went down.
It's clear that he is leading by example, because his rebounding rate has skyrocketed and it's obvious he's working harder to help out on the boards.
Pierce's leadership and entangibles would make him a great asset to this team as long as he wasn't horrible. The fact he's been playing out of his mind, top 5 player good has just been amazing.
You need to stop posting.
Lol, just cause I critiqued *gasp* Paul Pierce. He is the Celtic no one can talk about right? Well, of course KG too, I bet.
Seriously, you seem to be mad that we don't have Lebron on our team or something. I have to remind you that Lebron might be one of the top 10 all time players, and he's currently in his prime! Comparing him and Durant with Pierce is just unfair for Paul...
If we had 5 players playing at the same level as Pierce has been playing since Rondo went down, we would be #2 in the East right now...
Pierce is playing winning basketball since Rondo went down. If you're not satisfied with that and all you wanna see is 30PPG and crazy dunks, alley oops and highlight reels, then you are supporting the wrong team! South beach suits you better... ::)
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg. Some pretty good stats in wins as well.
No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.
Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard. Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down.
I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys. To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late. It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded.
Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league. I think it's time we started rating him around here.
He is still playing with an injury. Like he said the pinched nerve probably won't go away. This happened last year too. He came in out of shape (I understand the lockout, but still). Vets obviously do this all time (Dirk came into the season out of shape too).
Yes, you are right, I believe the over dependance on the vets is holding the young guys back. That is mostly Doc's fault, in my opinion. But I understand the importance of vet presence on the team.
I agree, Paul Pierce has been overlooked and underrated throughout his career. I also agree, his play after Rondo went down the main reason that the Celtics are even going to the playoffs.
But the title of the thread is "Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?" To me..Jeff yes. Not so much about Paul. I know. Do I like the combination of them together? Not really, because it's not effective to me. The game against the Knicks shows that. I'm just loving that Jeff can be consistent cause I was starting to think he couldn't be.
Wow! Talk about knee jerk reactions. That one game showed you that Jeff Green and Paul Pierce can't be effective together?
Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate the way Green's been playing. He's got me feeling more excited about the future as well. I feel kind of bad for you,though, that you are unable to appreciate the special run that Paul Pierce is on right now.
If we want any chance at playoff success this year, he'll need to keep it up.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg. Some pretty good stats in wins as well.
No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.
Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard. Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down.
I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys. To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late. It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded.
Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league. I think it's time we started rating him around here.
He is still playing with an injury. Like he said the pinched nerve probably won't go away. This happened last year too. He came in out of shape (I understand the lockout, but still). Vets obviously do this all time (Dirk came into the season out of shape too).
Yes, you are right, I believe the over dependance on the vets is holding the young guys back. That is mostly Doc's fault, in my opinion. But I understand the importance of vet presence on the team.
I agree, Paul Pierce has been overlooked and underrated throughout his career. I also agree, his play after Rondo went down the main reason that the Celtics are even going to the playoffs.
But the title of the thread is "Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?" To me..Jeff yes. Not so much about Paul. I know. Do I like the combination of them together? Not really, because it's not effective to me. The game against the Knicks shows that. I'm just loving that Jeff can be consistent cause I was starting to think he couldn't be.
Wow! Talk about knee jerk reactions. That one game showed you that Jeff Green and Paul Pierce can't be effective together?
Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate the way Green's been playing. He's got me feeling more excited about the future as well. I feel kind of bad for you,though, that you are unable to appreciate the special run that Paul Pierce is on right now.
If we want any chance at playoff success this year, he'll need to keep it up.
To me, not yet. Not ruling out that they might be. I said I like what Paul is doing, but I never doubted him as a player. So no, it's not special to me. He has done this in the past. He steps up when Rondo is not playing. Like those Orlando Magic games last year or Game 2 of the Hawks series.
I agree, Jeff needs to keep it up in the playoffs for the team to have a chance this year.
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Can someone please ban zimbo. This kind of talk is an embarrassment to Celtics fans. Pierce has been playing at an unreal level for a long time now. He's played far better than I thought even possible this season.
No, Pierce isn't as athletic or explosive as he used to be. He also doesn't have the physical endurance he used to have. He's older. But he's been insanely efficient. Been on fire on offense from all over the floor, is getting to the line, is playing great defense, but most of all, his rebounding has been insane since Sullinger went down.
It's clear that he is leading by example, because his rebounding rate has skyrocketed and it's obvious he's working harder to help out on the boards.
Pierce's leadership and entangibles would make him a great asset to this team as long as he wasn't horrible. The fact he's been playing out of his mind, top 5 player good has just been amazing.
You need to stop posting.
Lol, just cause I critiqued *gasp* Paul Pierce. He is the Celtic no one can talk about right? Well, of course KG too, I bet.
Seriously, you seem to be mad that we don't have Lebron on our team or something. I have to remind you that Lebron might be one of the top 10 all time players, and he's currently in his prime! Comparing him and Durant with Pierce is just unfair for Paul...
If we had 5 players playing at the same level as Pierce has been playing since Rondo went down, we would be #2 in the East right now...
Pierce is playing winning basketball since Rondo went down. If you're not satisfied with that and all you wanna see is 30PPG and crazy dunks, alley oops and highlight reels, then you are supporting the wrong team! South beach suits you better... ::)
You are right, if I was a LeBron fan, then I would be on a Heat forum debating the hard fouls that LeBron supposedly gets and Danny Ainge's comment. But, I am not, I am Celtics fan and I shouldn't have to be censored because I have a opinion that differs from the majority.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg. Some pretty good stats in wins as well.
No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.
Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard. Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down.
I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys. To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late. It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded.
Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league. I think it's time we started rating him around here.
He is still playing with an injury. Like he said the pinched nerve probably won't go away. This happened last year too. He came in out of shape (I understand the lockout, but still). Vets obviously do this all time (Dirk came into the season out of shape too).
Yes, you are right, I believe the over dependance on the vets is holding the young guys back. That is mostly Doc's fault, in my opinion. But I understand the importance of vet presence on the team.
I agree, Paul Pierce has been overlooked and underrated throughout his career. I also agree, his play after Rondo went down the main reason that the Celtics are even going to the playoffs.
But the title of the thread is "Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?" To me..Jeff yes. Not so much about Paul. I know. Do I like the combination of them together? Not really, because it's not effective to me. The game against the Knicks shows that. I'm just loving that Jeff can be consistent cause I was starting to think he couldn't be.
Wow! Talk about knee jerk reactions. That one game showed you that Jeff Green and Paul Pierce can't be effective together?
Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate the way Green's been playing. He's got me feeling more excited about the future as well. I feel kind of bad for you,though, that you are unable to appreciate the special run that Paul Pierce is on right now.
If we want any chance at playoff success this year, he'll need to keep it up.
To me, not yet. Not ruling out that they might be. I said I like what Paul is doing, but I never doubted him as a player. So no, it's not special to me. He has done this in the past. He steps up when Rondo is not playing. Like those Orlando Magic games last year or Game 2 of the Hawks series.
I agree, Jeff needs to keep it up in the playoffs for the team to have a chance this year.
I was talking about Pierce, but, yeah, we'll need good play from Jeff Green as well.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
i'm no Paul Piece fangirl and at the beginning of the season I may have agreed with you.
but as of late, Paulie has me eating tons of crow (and I love it).
he's being a captain. I think sometimes, he plays a little too much hero ball...but I mean..tonight he had 15 rebounds out of what? 40 or something. he's just contributing everywhere. i really can't hate on that.
unless we're down 5 and he takes an illadvised 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock. lol
Yeah, I used to be a big Pierce fan too, but I realize his time is over. He is still talented and can do a lot of things still, but I just feel that they are empty stats. I'm ready to see Jeff start w/o Pierce. Hopefully he can come off the bench next year, if he is still here.
Can you explain the empty stats comment?
Like for example...against the hawks...he had 20/10/10...but I also realized everyone was almost hitting everything...you mean his assists then would be considered an empty stat?
I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.
Do you think Jeff would be as effective without a guy like PP? I think Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder around him at all times.
I guess I shouldn't use the term "empty stats". But for example, today he had an good stat line, but the team lost by double digits. He is kinda becoming like Kobe lately (good stats in losses). I think it is an age thing.
I agree Jeff needs a playmaker and rebounder, but Paul is not the only person who can fill that role. But, my whole point is I am more impressed by Jeff and not really Pierce and I think Jeff will work quite fine without him.
In the eighteen wins since Rondo went down, Paul Pierce is averaging 18.5 ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 6.7 apg. Some pretty good stats in wins as well.
No doubt he has played better since Rondo went down. Most likely due to getting in "game shape" later into the season.
Or being injured earlier in the season, or meeting the challenge of being the leader and the Captain without our injured point guard. Whatever the reason is, it's hard to deny that he's been playing like an MVP candidate since Rondo went down.
I understand that you feel that his presence, and maybe KG's presence as well, is holding back the development of younger guys. To a degree, I would even agree with that, but I think everyone should recognize the kind of ball Paul Pierce has been playing of late. It's been incredible, and it deserves to be applauded.
Right now Paul Pierce is almost unquestionably the most under-rated player in the league. I think it's time we started rating him around here.
He is still playing with an injury. Like he said the pinched nerve probably won't go away. This happened last year too. He came in out of shape (I understand the lockout, but still). Vets obviously do this all time (Dirk came into the season out of shape too).
Yes, you are right, I believe the over dependance on the vets is holding the young guys back. That is mostly Doc's fault, in my opinion. But I understand the importance of vet presence on the team.
I agree, Paul Pierce has been overlooked and underrated throughout his career. I also agree, his play after Rondo went down the main reason that the Celtics are even going to the playoffs.
But the title of the thread is "Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?" To me..Jeff yes. Not so much about Paul. I know. Do I like the combination of them together? Not really, because it's not effective to me. The game against the Knicks shows that. I'm just loving that Jeff can be consistent cause I was starting to think he couldn't be.
Wow! Talk about knee jerk reactions. That one game showed you that Jeff Green and Paul Pierce can't be effective together?
Anyway, I'm glad you appreciate the way Green's been playing. He's got me feeling more excited about the future as well. I feel kind of bad for you,though, that you are unable to appreciate the special run that Paul Pierce is on right now.
If we want any chance at playoff success this year, he'll need to keep it up.
To me, not yet. Not ruling out that they might be. I said I like what Paul is doing, but I never doubted him as a player. So no, it's not special to me. He has done this in the past. He steps up when Rondo is not playing. Like those Orlando Magic games last year or Game 2 of the Hawks series.
I agree, Jeff needs to keep it up in the playoffs for the team to have a chance this year.
I was talking about Pierce, but, yeah, we'll need good play from Jeff Green as well.
My bad. I agree we definitely need Pierce to play like he is playing now, in the playoffs.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
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They are a great offensive combo playing off of each other. Hopefully they can find the floor together consistently.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez. The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.
So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.
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Yes, there some good chemistry developing between these two. If only Rondo can be convicted to look for JG when he is on the floor. Afraid Rondo will snub JG when he returns.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez. The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.
So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.
I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.
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All personal attacks need to end. This is the last warning.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez. The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.
So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.
I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.
The point of it was to respond to your comment of Pierce being one on best SFs currently in the game. Yes, he is and that actually has more to do with the bevy of Gee's and the Singler's in this league now. I never said he wasn't valuable, so I won't even argue that. If you read my previous comments, I am just stating that I am not loving PP like I am loving JG. Because, he always had that potential. And as far as "moving on", that's just life. He is getting older, not younger. That doesn't mean that he can't be a 3-5 option or a great bench player on a contending team, like Ray is right now.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez. The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.
So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.
I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.
The point of it was to respond to your comment of Pierce being one on best SFs currently in the game. Yes, he is and that actually has more to do with the bevy of Gee's and the Singler's in this league now. I never said he wasn't valuable, so I won't even argue that. If you read my previous comments, I am just stating that I am not loving PP like I am loving JG. Because, he always had that potential. And as far as "moving on", that's just life. He is getting older, not younger. That doesn't mean that he can't be a 3-5 option or a great bench player on a contending team, like Ray is right now.
You don't seem to dispute that he's still one of the best small forwards and he's still a top 15 scorer in the league. Obviously that doesn't translate to a 3-5 option or a bench player unless he's getting traded to OKC or Miami or possible 1-2 other teams.
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All personal attacks need to end. This is the last warning.
I don't see a lot of personal attacks on this page. Am I missing something?
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All personal attacks need to end. This is the last warning.
I don't see a lot of personal attacks on this page. Am I missing something?
Wasn't related to your posts.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez. The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.
So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.
I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.
The point of it was to respond to your comment of Pierce being one on best SFs currently in the game. Yes, he is and that actually has more to do with the bevy of Gee's and the Singler's in this league now. I never said he wasn't valuable, so I won't even argue that. If you read my previous comments, I am just stating that I am not loving PP like I am loving JG. Because, he always had that potential. And as far as "moving on", that's just life. He is getting older, not younger. That doesn't mean that he can't be a 3-5 option or a great bench player on a contending team, like Ray is right now.
You don't seem to dispute that he's still one of the best small forwards and he's still a top 15 scorer in the league. Obviously that doesn't translate to a 3-5 option or a bench player unless he's getting traded to OKC or Miami or possible 1-2 other teams.
I am not. He is one of the better SFs in the league. Point out to me where I said he wasn't. Just because I stated that there is dropoff after James and Durant does not equate to me saying he is mediocre or below average.
In the future, he will further decline and he can be option 3-5 and come off the bench. But let me emphasize future, not this season (obviously he is the best scoring option on this team).
Now, what are we arguing again?
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All personal attacks need to end. This is the last warning.
I don't see a lot of personal attacks on this page. Am I missing something?
Wasn't related to your posts.
Then point out mine.
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All personal attacks need to end. This is the last warning.
I don't see a lot of personal attacks on this page. Am I missing something?
Wasn't related to your posts.
Then point out mine.
My suggestion, go see if any posts were edited in this thread.
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All personal attacks need to end. This is the last warning.
I don't see a lot of personal attacks on this page. Am I missing something?
Wasn't related to your posts.
Then point out mine.
My suggestion, go see if any posts were edited in this thread.
Okay thanks.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez. The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.
So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.
I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.
The point of it was to respond to your comment of Pierce being one on best SFs currently in the game. Yes, he is and that actually has more to do with the bevy of Gee's and the Singler's in this league now. I never said he wasn't valuable, so I won't even argue that. If you read my previous comments, I am just stating that I am not loving PP like I am loving JG. Because, he always had that potential. And as far as "moving on", that's just life. He is getting older, not younger. That doesn't mean that he can't be a 3-5 option or a great bench player on a contending team, like Ray is right now.
You don't seem to dispute that he's still one of the best small forwards and he's still a top 15 scorer in the league. Obviously that doesn't translate to a 3-5 option or a bench player unless he's getting traded to OKC or Miami or possible 1-2 other teams.
I am not. He is one of the better SFs in the league. Point out to me where I said he wasn't. Just because I stated that there is dropoff after James and Durant does not equate to me saying he is mediocre or below average.
In the future, he will further decline and he can be option 3-5 and come off the bench. But let me emphasize future, not this season (obviously he is the best scoring option on this team).
Now, what are we arguing again?
I suppose how quickly Paul's skills will deteriorate and why we'd want to move on from him if he's still a useful player. I could see him slipping into a KG type of 30 min/game player or even spending time at the 2 in a Rondo/PP/Green/Sully/KG lineup. He's still a valuable player IMO.
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Jeff and Paul have been playing great lately, especially the last three weeks.
Except, in that time the team has gone 4-8. A scintillating .333 winning percentage over three weeks time. That's a seventh of the season.
This team needs a healthy KG. This team needs a healthy Rondo. This team needs a healthy Lee. This team needs a healthy Sullinger. And this team needs Terry and Bass and Bradley to step up their overall games and be more consistent as a whole.
Jeff and Paul are doing great, however, it is probably all for naught as the two of them probably aren't enough to win a playoff game, never mind a playoff series. We need the whole team and this year, sadly, that isn't going to happen.
I would like to see what Rondo's haters are saying about this. I'm guessing Jeff and Paul are making us worse huh
Remember when Rondo was a beast in the begining of the season, when he was the only player on the team putting on good numbers and was on a great streak while everyone else was playing like **** and our record didn't show it?
Trade Paul and Jeff!!!
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez. The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.
So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.
I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.
The point of it was to respond to your comment of Pierce being one on best SFs currently in the game. Yes, he is and that actually has more to do with the bevy of Gee's and the Singler's in this league now. I never said he wasn't valuable, so I won't even argue that. If you read my previous comments, I am just stating that I am not loving PP like I am loving JG. Because, he always had that potential. And as far as "moving on", that's just life. He is getting older, not younger. That doesn't mean that he can't be a 3-5 option or a great bench player on a contending team, like Ray is right now.
You don't seem to dispute that he's still one of the best small forwards and he's still a top 15 scorer in the league. Obviously that doesn't translate to a 3-5 option or a bench player unless he's getting traded to OKC or Miami or possible 1-2 other teams.
I am not. He is one of the better SFs in the league. Point out to me where I said he wasn't. Just because I stated that there is dropoff after James and Durant does not equate to me saying he is mediocre or below average.
In the future, he will further decline and he can be option 3-5 and come off the bench. But let me emphasize future, not this season (obviously he is the best scoring option on this team).
Now, what are we arguing again?
I suppose how quickly Paul's skills will deteriorate and why we'd want to move on from him if he's still a useful player. I could see him slipping into a KG type of 30 min/game player or even spending time at the 2 in a Rondo/PP/Green/Sully/KG lineup. He's still a valuable player IMO.
Heck yeah he is! Again, never said he wasn't. I already mentioned without PP, this team wouldn't even be making the playoffs. His play after Rondo went down was great and most importantly consistent (unlike Jeff's). Plus, he is playing with an injury right now (KG is unable to right now). He is a warrior no doubt. But, I already knew this. I followed his career. He has a lot to do with me being a Celtics fan. I am just loving JG's play right because I didn't think he could be even a quarter of what Pierce is and was.
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Jeff and Paul have been playing great lately, especially the last three weeks.
Except, in that time the team has gone 4-8. A scintillating .333 winning percentage over three weeks time. That's a seventh of the season.
This team needs a healthy KG. This team needs a healthy Rondo. This team needs a healthy Lee. This team needs a healthy Sullinger. And this team needs Terry and Bass and Bradley to step up their overall games and be more consistent as a whole.
Jeff and Paul are doing great, however, it is probably all for naught as the two of them probably aren't enough to win a playoff game, never mind a playoff series. We need the whole team and this year, sadly, that isn't going to happen.
I would like to see what Rondo's haters are saying about this. I'm guessing Jeff and Paul are making us worse huh
Remember when Rondo was a beast in the begining of the season, when he was the only player on the team putting on good numbers and was on a great streak while everyone else was playing like **** and our record didn't show it?
Trade Paul and Jeff!!!
I know right. Why the double standards.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez. The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.
So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.
I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.
The point of it was to respond to your comment of Pierce being one on best SFs currently in the game. Yes, he is and that actually has more to do with the bevy of Gee's and the Singler's in this league now. I never said he wasn't valuable, so I won't even argue that. If you read my previous comments, I am just stating that I am not loving PP like I am loving JG. Because, he always had that potential. And as far as "moving on", that's just life. He is getting older, not younger. That doesn't mean that he can't be a 3-5 option or a great bench player on a contending team, like Ray is right now.
You don't seem to dispute that he's still one of the best small forwards and he's still a top 15 scorer in the league. Obviously that doesn't translate to a 3-5 option or a bench player unless he's getting traded to OKC or Miami or possible 1-2 other teams.
I am not. He is one of the better SFs in the league. Point out to me where I said he wasn't. Just because I stated that there is dropoff after James and Durant does not equate to me saying he is mediocre or below average.
In the future, he will further decline and he can be option 3-5 and come off the bench. But let me emphasize future, not this season (obviously he is the best scoring option on this team).
Now, what are we arguing again?
I suppose how quickly Paul's skills will deteriorate and why we'd want to move on from him if he's still a useful player. I could see him slipping into a KG type of 30 min/game player or even spending time at the 2 in a Rondo/PP/Green/Sully/KG lineup. He's still a valuable player IMO.
Heck yeah he is! Again, never said he wasn't. I already mentioned without PP, this team wouldn't even be making the playoffs. His play after Rondo went down was great and most importantly consistent (unlike Jeff's). Plus, he is playing with an injury right now (KG is unable to right now). He is a warrior no doubt. But, I already knew this. I followed his career. He has a lot to do with me being a Celtics fan. I am just loving JG's play right because I didn't think he could be even a quarter of what Pierce is and was.
I think I get what you are saying; you simply don't have room to be loving the play of more than one player at a time?
Fair enough.
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Paul and Jeff finally seem genuinely excited to play with each other and want to see each other shine.
I felt like Pierce was trying to guard his position/territory when Jeff first arrived, and Jeff was happy taking the back seat and letting the future HOF'er show him how it's done. But PP seems like he finally let his guard down and wants Jeff to excel and take the torch . ..or at least share the torch alongside him.
It's a good development, but I still can't tell if we're going to do anything in the playoffs this year. Cautiously optimistic for a good series or two.
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Jeff...yes. Paul...no.
I'm stunned by that comment. Pretty much all I want to do these days is gush over the way our Captain has been playing since we lost our point guard. As far as I'm concerned, he's been playing not just like an all star, but like a legit superstar. He's the main reason that I have some hope for this team come playoff time.
I've been happy with Jeff Green's play, as well.
Great opinion. I just he is a shell of what he once was. The team needs to move on.
I agree Paul isn't the player he once was. But he's still one of the better small forwards in the game.
Eh...but that is not saying much. After LeBron and Durant, there is a major drop off of in talent in the SFs of the league.
That's a pretty meaningless comment. PP was never at the level of James or Durant, even in his prime. Are you somehow claiming that it doesn't matter whether you have PP or (for instance) Alonzo Gee because neither are as good as LeBron?
Did I say that? You said "he is still one of the best SFs in the game". I just said the talent after those 2 drops off at the position. Like after Dwight Howard, the talent at the center position drops off. The doesn't mean that Bynum (healthy) or Hibbert are on the same level as Robin Lopez. The small forward, center, and shooting guard positions are top heavy elite wise.
So no... I am not claiming that Pierce (or Melo) are on the same level as Gee. You just spun my comment into that claim, because it gives you a better argument.
I still don't see what the point of your comment was. Obviously there's a drop off in talent from 2 transcendent players to everyone else in their position. LeBron and Durant could end up as 2 of the top 5-6 small forwards of all time, that doesn't take away from the value PP adds to the team. I also don't see the point in "moving on" from an above average player because he used to be better than he is now.
The point of it was to respond to your comment of Pierce being one on best SFs currently in the game. Yes, he is and that actually has more to do with the bevy of Gee's and the Singler's in this league now. I never said he wasn't valuable, so I won't even argue that. If you read my previous comments, I am just stating that I am not loving PP like I am loving JG. Because, he always had that potential. And as far as "moving on", that's just life. He is getting older, not younger. That doesn't mean that he can't be a 3-5 option or a great bench player on a contending team, like Ray is right now.
You don't seem to dispute that he's still one of the best small forwards and he's still a top 15 scorer in the league. Obviously that doesn't translate to a 3-5 option or a bench player unless he's getting traded to OKC or Miami or possible 1-2 other teams.
I am not. He is one of the better SFs in the league. Point out to me where I said he wasn't. Just because I stated that there is dropoff after James and Durant does not equate to me saying he is mediocre or below average.
In the future, he will further decline and he can be option 3-5 and come off the bench. But let me emphasize future, not this season (obviously he is the best scoring option on this team).
Now, what are we arguing again?
I suppose how quickly Paul's skills will deteriorate and why we'd want to move on from him if he's still a useful player. I could see him slipping into a KG type of 30 min/game player or even spending time at the 2 in a Rondo/PP/Green/Sully/KG lineup. He's still a valuable player IMO.
Heck yeah he is! Again, never said he wasn't. I already mentioned without PP, this team wouldn't even be making the playoffs. His play after Rondo went down was great and most importantly consistent (unlike Jeff's). Plus, he is playing with an injury right now (KG is unable to right now). He is a warrior no doubt. But, I already knew this. I followed his career. He has a lot to do with me being a Celtics fan. I am just loving JG's play right because I didn't think he could be even a quarter of what Pierce is and was.
I think I get what you are saying; you simply don't have room to be loving the play of more than one player at a time?
Fair enough.
Not really...what I am saying is: I am more impressed with Jeff because I doubted him. Paul is playing good right now, but he is really isn't impacting the team no more. I don't think Jeff will ever be an impact player, but it is good to see him play consistently.
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Jeff and Paul have been playing great lately, especially the last three weeks.
Except, in that time the team has gone 4-8. A scintillating .333 winning percentage over three weeks time. That's a seventh of the season.
This team needs a healthy KG. This team needs a healthy Rondo. This team needs a healthy Lee. This team needs a healthy Sullinger. And this team needs Terry and Bass and Bradley to step up their overall games and be more consistent as a whole.
Jeff and Paul are doing great, however, it is probably all for naught as the two of them probably aren't enough to win a playoff game, never mind a playoff series. We need the whole team and this year, sadly, that isn't going to happen.
I would like to see what Rondo's haters are saying about this. I'm guessing Jeff and Paul are making us worse huh
Remember when Rondo was a beast in the begining of the season, when he was the only player on the team putting on good numbers and was on a great streak while everyone else was playing like **** and our record didn't show it?
Trade Paul and Jeff!!!
unfortunately, no because all this is time sensitive.
i maintain, and have maintained, an outlook that KG is the player that we need. with him being injured and out, we have suffered greatly. that's what I attribute to those losses. That doesn't change the fact that Jeff, a guy who was taking stinkers on the court at the beginning of the year, has finally blossomed. I also like the fact that he's playing well alongside our future HOFer and I just thought I'd say something.
Also...without Rondo, we are STILL above .500, at 18-12. If KG comes back before the playoffs, I really expect these horrible losses to change.
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Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?
Not loving the losing. The rest is pretty much immaterial.
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Aren't you just loving Jeff and Paul?
Not loving the losing. The rest is pretty much immaterial.
This is the succinct, precisely correct way of putting it, in my opinion.