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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: tonyto3690 on March 31, 2013, 07:25:13 PM
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Rondo, Sullinger, Barbosa out for the season
Wilcox, Green coming back from heart surgery
KG, Pierce both on the verge of spontaneously exploding and managing them
Terry, Lee, Bradley all up and down all season
Playing COLLINS significant minutes at center
A rotary door of role players coming in and squeezing decent minutes out of them
Consistently great, no good, great, timeout play calling and end of the game adjustments
On top of that, this team has been horrifically up and down all season, going on great streaks and then going on big losing streaks. Yet through it all he managed to get these guys to keep fighting, even with guys constantly falling and needing to be replaced. The defense has pulled itself together and become elite even with a rotary of new players constantly being filled in all season.
All this and we get a respectable playoff seed?
Just like how Belichick should have won COTY in 2008 without Brady, Doc should at least get some consideration.
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anyone willing to coach the Bobcats should win an award
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Rondo, Sullinger, Barbosa out for the season
Wilcox, Green coming back from heart surgery
KG, Pierce both on the verge of spontaneously exploding and managing them
Terry, Lee, Bradley all up and down all season
Playing COLLINS significant minutes at center
A rotary door of role players coming in and squeezing decent minutes out of them
Consistently great, no good, great, timeout play calling and end of the game adjustments
On top of that, this team has been horrifically up and down all season, going on great streaks and then going on big losing streaks. Yet through it all he managed to get these guys to keep fighting, even with guys constantly falling and needing to be replaced. The defense has pulled itself together and become elite even with a rotary of new players constantly being filled in all season.
All this and we get a respectable playoff seed?
Just like how Belichick should have won COTY in 2008 without Brady, Doc should at least get some consideration.
how about no? for all the reasons we have listed in the past and as of late?
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Yes but have you considered that Doc is a bad coach QED?
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anyone willing to coach the Bobcats should win an award
Ironically, Doc was unable to solve the Bobcat puzzle this season
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Rondo, Sullinger, Barbosa out for the season
Wilcox, Green coming back from heart surgery
KG, Pierce both on the verge of spontaneously exploding and managing them
Terry, Lee, Bradley all up and down all season
Playing COLLINS significant minutes at center
A rotary door of role players coming in and squeezing decent minutes out of them
Consistently great, no good, great, timeout play calling and end of the game adjustments
On top of that, this team has been horrifically up and down all season, going on great streaks and then going on big losing streaks. Yet through it all he managed to get these guys to keep fighting, even with guys constantly falling and needing to be replaced. The defense has pulled itself together and become elite even with a rotary of new players constantly being filled in all season.
All this and we get a respectable playoff seed?
Just like how Belichick should have won COTY in 2008 without Brady, Doc should at least get some consideration.
how about no? for all the reasons we have listed in the past and as of late?
Reasons such as?
-WE SHOULD TRADE FOR DWIGHT HOWARD
-MAN WHY ARENT WE PLAYING SCRUB CAREER BACKUP CHINA LEAGUE CENTERS STARTING MINUTES?
-MAN WE CANT SCORE, WHY ARE WE GOING SMALL?
Just incredibly stupid complaining is all I've heard about Doc lately.
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give COY to a coach that needs 5 or so games to make a new decision/game plan...
and you said it yourself...has an inconsistent team, can't figure out his rotations, has had his team lose large leads in winnable games, and got beat twice by the bobcats, hornets and pistons.
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i'm not sure that's what they look for
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Yes but have you considered that Doc is a bad coach QED?
He is a two time coach of the year for two different teams.
He is the single biggest draw that we have for this team for free agents.
Players love him.
Coaches respect him.
He is not a bad coach. That's the same kind of idiotic complaining I've heard about Belichick being an overrated defensive coach. I mean LOL come on.
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No way he deserves to be considered. One of his worst coaching performances of his career in my opinion.
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It's Thibodeau for me...no Rose and they still manage to be one of the top teams in the east. It really defies logic, especially since they are so bad on offense.
Of course, Popovich is also an obvious choice and you almost don't give it to him because you want to give somebody else a chance.
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Yeah, somehow I expected this thread to get roasted.
Personally, I like Doc as a coach, but then again I think the impact an NBA coach has on a team is way overblown. They get way too much credit when things go well, and way too much blame when things go poorly.
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doc is doing a fine job right now against the knicks. ::)
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Given that Thibs, Popovich and Brooks have all won recently I would say Vogel has the best chance, or maybe George Karl. It seems like recent winners are at a disadvantage. I do think Thibs has done an amazing job.
I think Doc has done a good job with the hand he's been dealt, for what that's worth.
This award has always been a bit of a mystery to me, though.
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with the way this team started the season? hell no.
throw in the fact this team can't consistantly beat the crappy teams that they should be (regardless of injuries) and I'd prefer to hand him the janitor's mop for the parquet floor than to hand him a coaching trophy
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coach of the year? When did the NBA start the award for the most underachieving Coach of the Year? That is what you meant, right?
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Must be an early april fools thread. Hell no way doc wins the CoY. Pop or thibs should win, heck even mark jackson is doing a better job than doc.
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Lol!!!! It is almost aprils fools day, good job, you almost got me.
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Can't say I'm very surprised.
Same kind of casual fans who think AI/Rose was great because they shot more than anyone else. Same casual fans who said Belichick is an overrated coach. Same casual fans that wanted to trade Brady and keep Cassel.
People like to complain, people like to blame, people like to overreact (SHAV SHOULD BE STARTING [[[LOL]]]).
Pop should get it (hence why I said consideration not win), but acting like Doc has been horrible like I've seen a lot around here is pretty freaking embarrassing. One or two people complain about Doc and say how bad he is, and then everyone and their mother is trying to look smart by complaining about him.
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Yes. That's the first thing that went through my mind tonight after the Celtics lost by 19 to the overrated, jump-shot happy Knicks. That Doc should be named coach of the year.
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Unfortunately, our record is not good enough for Doc to get any serious consideration, despite the injuries. The guy is a great basketball coach, though, and I trust him to have this team ready headed into the playoffs.
TP to the OP.
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Yes. That's the first thing that went through my mind tonight after the Celtics lost by 19 to the overrated, jump-shot happy Knicks. That Doc should be named coach of the year.
When a team shoots 80% from three point land with SEVEN different players shooting, there really isn't much you can do besides take a sledge hammer to their knees and hope you aren't in jail too long.
The Knicks are a boom or bust team with their three point shooting. Sometimes you get unlucky and play against them when they are on fire.
What an incredibly stupid post.
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I don't think Doc deserves COY, but I think he's done a good job, now and over the last five years.
He coached us to a championship. More important, the Celtics have consistently exceeded expectations in the playoffs,during the Big Three era. Even in 07-08 we were underdogs to the Lakers. No one expected us to make the finals in 09-10. We were one game away from the finals last year.
And while our core personnel has been fairly stable, we have had a lot of turnover on the bench, and a slew of injuries to every significant player on the team other than Pierce.
Even this year, we have lost three rotation guys and are still staying in the hunt.
When a team outperforms with the talent it has, I think some of the credit must go to the coach. And I think we've outperformed.
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Going slightly above .500 with Injuries doesnot make u coty
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Doc and DA need to reverse course on this. dog turd of a small ball basketball program
No he doesn't deserve even honorable mention. for this hopeless style basketball.
C+. is all he merrits
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Must be an early april fools thread. Hell no way doc wins the CoY. Pop or thibs should win, heck even mark jackson is doing a better job than doc.
agreed. is this a joke? the first half of the season and this month of march are not examples of good coaching. Doc is a good player's coach I guess, but when it comes to offensive strategy, his system is very poor.
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Must be an early april fools thread. Hell no way doc wins the CoY. Pop or thibs should win, heck even mark jackson is doing a better job than doc.
agreed. is this a joke? the first half of the season and this month of march are not examples of good coaching. Doc is a good player's coach I guess, but when it comes to offensive strategy, his system is very poor.
This is joke/April's fools thread, right?
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Yes but have you considered that Doc is a bad coach QED?
He is a two time coach of the year for two different teams.
He is the single biggest draw that we have for this team for free agents.
Players love him.
Coaches respect him.
He is not a bad coach. That's the same kind of idiotic complaining I've heard about Belichick being an overrated defensive coach. I mean LOL come on.
Um,
First off, 1 time coach of the year, with the Orlando Magic, hugely because of Tracy Mcgrady's move to Orlando. It turned around their 2000 season.
Biggest draw we have is Rajon Rondo, its well documented that he has been a big part of the recruitment process of players by reaching out to them in the off season.
Players love him because he is a good people person great at managing characters and egos. Coaches love him because he is a good X's and O's kind of coach, and after time out plays.
Here's what I don't like about his coaching.
He doesn't manage rotations well.
He doesn't make in-game adjustments.
He doesn't ride the hot hand.
He is stubborn with his "small ball".
He doesn't like/trust playing his big men
He doesn't give new players minutes. Says they have to earn them, but how does that work if you don't give them the opportunity to earn them said minutes.
He thinks that his system is not flawed, and if the players execute it to perfection, that we will be successful at all times.
(at least thats what I'm getting when he is being interviewed)
I like a coach like Pop because he is not afraid to play new talent.
He is firm/hard as a head coach, but his players love him still. So I'm not buying the whole, "you have to be very likeable (like DOC) to be a good coach" theory. He is also good with his X's and O's. Great at managing players minutes. Makes adjustments, Rides the hot hand, convinces great players like Manu Ginobilli to come off the bench.
If you think about it, we have roughly the same talent as the personnel they have in the Spurs. But we are still in the bottom 7/8 in the weaker conference.
Thats the end of my rant.
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No he does not. This team took way too long to get it together and frankly has been nothing short of a disaster this regular season. Let us see if they can give us hope for the future by having a strong Wichita St style post season ie knock out the two top seeds in their EC bracket and go to the NBA finals.
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After seeing what I saw throughout this season and even tonight (saw the game after recording)... yea no.
I had to borrow someone else's gif from the past for this.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v423/KublaKhan/40oz_laugh_in_tub.gif)
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Yes but have you considered that Doc is a bad coach QED?
He is a two time coach of the year for two different teams.
He is the single biggest draw that we have for this team for free agents.
Players love him.
Coaches respect him.
He is not a bad coach. That's the same kind of idiotic complaining I've heard about Belichick being an overrated defensive coach. I mean LOL come on.
Um,
First off, 1 time coach of the year, with the Orlando Magic, hugely because of Tracy Mcgrady's move to Orlando. It turned around their 2000 season.
Biggest draw we have is Rajon Rondo, its well documented that he has been a big part of the recruitment process of players by reaching out to them in the off season.
Players love him because he is a good people person great at managing characters and egos. Coaches love him because he is a good X's and O's kind of coach, and after time out plays.
Here's what I don't like about his coaching.
He doesn't manage rotations well.
He doesn't make in-game adjustments.
He doesn't ride the hot hand.
He is stubborn with his "small ball".
He doesn't like/trust playing his big men
He doesn't give new players minutes. Says they have to earn them, but how does that work if you don't give them the opportunity to earn them said minutes.
He thinks that his system is not flawed, and if the players execute it to perfection, that we will be successful at all times.
(at least thats what I'm getting when he is being interviewed)
I like a coach like Pop because he is not afraid to play new talent.
He is firm/hard as a head coach, but his players love him still. So I'm not buying the whole, "you have to be very likeable (like DOC) to be a good coach" theory. He is also good with his X's and O's. Great at managing players minutes. Makes adjustments, Rides the hot hand, convinces great players like Manu Ginobilli to come off the bench.
If you think about it, we have roughly the same talent as the personnel they have in the Spurs. But we are still in the bottom 7/8 in the weaker conference.
Thats the end of my rant.
*stuffs a TP in your pocket*
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Yes but have you considered that Doc is a bad coach QED?
He is a two time coach of the year for two different teams.
He is the single biggest draw that we have for this team for free agents.
Players love him.
Coaches respect him.
He is not a bad coach. That's the same kind of idiotic complaining I've heard about Belichick being an overrated defensive coach. I mean LOL come on.
Um,
First off, 1 time coach of the year, with the Orlando Magic, hugely because of Tracy Mcgrady's move to Orlando. It turned around their 2000 season.
Biggest draw we have is Rajon Rondo, its well documented that he has been a big part of the recruitment process of players by reaching out to them in the off season.
Players love him because he is a good people person great at managing characters and egos. Coaches love him because he is a good X's and O's kind of coach, and after time out plays.
Here's what I don't like about his coaching.
He doesn't manage rotations well.
He doesn't make in-game adjustments.
He doesn't ride the hot hand.
He is stubborn with his "small ball".
He doesn't like/trust playing his big men
He doesn't give new players minutes. Says they have to earn them, but how does that work if you don't give them the opportunity to earn them said minutes.
He thinks that his system is not flawed, and if the players execute it to perfection, that we will be successful at all times.
(at least thats what I'm getting when he is being interviewed)
I like a coach like Pop because he is not afraid to play new talent.
He is firm/hard as a head coach, but his players love him still. So I'm not buying the whole, "you have to be very likeable (like DOC) to be a good coach" theory. He is also good with his X's and O's. Great at managing players minutes. Makes adjustments, Rides the hot hand, convinces great players like Manu Ginobilli to come off the bench.
If you think about it, we have roughly the same talent as the personnel they have in the Spurs. But we are still in the bottom 7/8 in the weaker conference.
Thats the end of my rant.
Doesn't manage rotations well: That's simply the classic cry of the arm chair coach who doesn't actually have any reason to watch the game all that carefully. It's always easy to sit in front of your TV screen with a cold one in one hand and a bag of chips in the other and shout; "c'mon, coach, put so-and-so in!!!"
Doesn't make in-game adjustments: Absurd. Of course he does. You may not recognize all of them, but that doesn't mean they don't happen.
He doesn't ride the hot hand: I've seen guys get hot and be given the green light countless times on this team. Take tonight's game as a recent example. They were working hard as a team to get Jeff Green the ball in scoring situations for much of the night when he was hot.
Stubborn with small ball: Personally, I think small ball will be a key to us having any kind of chance against the Heat in the playoffs.
Doesn't play bigs: See above.
Doesn't play new guys: Jamal Crawford and Shav Randolph would like to say hello.
Doesn't think his system is flawed: Haha. Good one.
End of response to rant.
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Yes but have you considered that Doc is a bad coach QED?
He is a two time coach of the year for two different teams.
He is the single biggest draw that we have for this team for free agents.
Players love him.
Coaches respect him.
He is not a bad coach. That's the same kind of idiotic complaining I've heard about Belichick being an overrated defensive coach. I mean LOL come on.
Um,
First off, 1 time coach of the year, with the Orlando Magic, hugely because of Tracy Mcgrady's move to Orlando. It turned around their 2000 season.
Biggest draw we have is Rajon Rondo, its well documented that he has been a big part of the recruitment process of players by reaching out to them in the off season.
Players love him because he is a good people person great at managing characters and egos. Coaches love him because he is a good X's and O's kind of coach, and after time out plays.
Here's what I don't like about his coaching.
He doesn't manage rotations well.
He doesn't make in-game adjustments.
He doesn't ride the hot hand.
He is stubborn with his "small ball".
He doesn't like/trust playing his big men
He doesn't give new players minutes. Says they have to earn them, but how does that work if you don't give them the opportunity to earn them said minutes.
He thinks that his system is not flawed, and if the players execute it to perfection, that we will be successful at all times.
(at least thats what I'm getting when he is being interviewed)
I like a coach like Pop because he is not afraid to play new talent.
He is firm/hard as a head coach, but his players love him still. So I'm not buying the whole, "you have to be very likeable (like DOC) to be a good coach" theory. He is also good with his X's and O's. Great at managing players minutes. Makes adjustments, Rides the hot hand, convinces great players like Manu Ginobilli to come off the bench.
If you think about it, we have roughly the same talent as the personnel they have in the Spurs. But we are still in the bottom 7/8 in the weaker conference.
Thats the end of my rant.
Personally, I think small ball will be a key to us having any kind of chance against the Heat in the playoffs.
We already lost then.
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Yes but have you considered that Doc is a bad coach QED?
He is a two time coach of the year for two different teams.
He is the single biggest draw that we have for this team for free agents.
Players love him.
Coaches respect him.
He is not a bad coach. That's the same kind of idiotic complaining I've heard about Belichick being an overrated defensive coach. I mean LOL come on.
Um,
First off, 1 time coach of the year, with the Orlando Magic, hugely because of Tracy Mcgrady's move to Orlando. It turned around their 2000 season.
Biggest draw we have is Rajon Rondo, its well documented that he has been a big part of the recruitment process of players by reaching out to them in the off season.
Players love him because he is a good people person great at managing characters and egos. Coaches love him because he is a good X's and O's kind of coach, and after time out plays.
Here's what I don't like about his coaching.
He doesn't manage rotations well.
He doesn't make in-game adjustments.
He doesn't ride the hot hand.
He is stubborn with his "small ball".
He doesn't like/trust playing his big men
He doesn't give new players minutes. Says they have to earn them, but how does that work if you don't give them the opportunity to earn them said minutes.
He thinks that his system is not flawed, and if the players execute it to perfection, that we will be successful at all times.
(at least thats what I'm getting when he is being interviewed)
I like a coach like Pop because he is not afraid to play new talent.
He is firm/hard as a head coach, but his players love him still. So I'm not buying the whole, "you have to be very likeable (like DOC) to be a good coach" theory. He is also good with his X's and O's. Great at managing players minutes. Makes adjustments, Rides the hot hand, convinces great players like Manu Ginobilli to come off the bench.
If you think about it, we have roughly the same talent as the personnel they have in the Spurs. But we are still in the bottom 7/8 in the weaker conference.
Thats the end of my rant.
Doesn't manage rotations well: That's simply the classic cry of the arm chair coach who doesn't actually have any reason to watch the game all that carefully. It's always easy to sit in front of your TV screen with a cold one in one hand and a bag of chips in the other and shout; "c'mon, coach, put so-and-so in!!!"
Doesn't make in-game adjustments: Absurd. Of course he does. You may not recognize all of them, but that doesn't mean they don't happen.
He doesn't ride the hot hand: I've seen guys get hot and be given the green light countless times on this team. Take tonight's game as a recent example. They were working hard as a team to get Jeff Green the ball in scoring situations for much of the night when he was hot.
Stubborn with small ball: Personally, I think small ball will be a key to us having any kind of chance against the Heat in the playoffs.
Doesn't play bigs: See above.
Doesn't play new guys: Jamal Crawford and Shav Randolph would like to say hello.
Doesn't think his system is flawed: Haha. Good one.
End of response to rant.
You didn't even refute my arguments with factual evidences.
He doesn't manage his rotation, its a known fact. He always plays them either too much minutes or too little minutes.
For example tonight, Shavlik Randolph played decent, granted he didn't play like he did in the game against Atlanta, but he never got back to court until the last 4 minutes of play when we were down by 20.
He doesn't make in game adjustments, we could have gone bigger a bunch of times this game and a couple of games before, granted he made the adjustment of starting Wilcox Green and Bass, but that was not done in game, that was done after we lost 4 or 5 straight in a row.
That's the only adjustment he made, his starting 5, but he played small ball the rest of the game.
The in-game adjustments I am talking about is about match ups. The Knicks didn't have a real big tonight, Martin being the only one, he could have put Wilcox and Bass to bang inside, but nope, they only played the first 8 minutes together, after that, we went small.
If you think small ball is the key to beating Miami in the playoffs, just ask the 2011 Mavericks, they played them big, Chandler/Dirk/Haywood/Mahinmi/Marion all 6'9 or taller, and guess who won? Dallas.
And yes he doesn't play bigs. Hence small ball.
We don't have JAMAL CRAWFORD in our team, and Shav barely played tonight.
And I'm the arm chair coach...
Good one..
I just call it like I see it...
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Yes but have you considered that Doc is a bad coach QED?
He is a two time coach of the year for two different teams.
He is the single biggest draw that we have for this team for free agents.
Players love him.
Coaches respect him.
He is not a bad coach. That's the same kind of idiotic complaining I've heard about Belichick being an overrated defensive coach. I mean LOL come on.
Um,
First off, 1 time coach of the year, with the Orlando Magic, hugely because of Tracy Mcgrady's move to Orlando. It turned around their 2000 season.
Biggest draw we have is Rajon Rondo, its well documented that he has been a big part of the recruitment process of players by reaching out to them in the off season.
Players love him because he is a good people person great at managing characters and egos. Coaches love him because he is a good X's and O's kind of coach, and after time out plays.
Here's what I don't like about his coaching.
He doesn't manage rotations well.
He doesn't make in-game adjustments.
He doesn't ride the hot hand.
He is stubborn with his "small ball".
He doesn't like/trust playing his big men
He doesn't give new players minutes. Says they have to earn them, but how does that work if you don't give them the opportunity to earn them said minutes.
He thinks that his system is not flawed, and if the players execute it to perfection, that we will be successful at all times.
(at least thats what I'm getting when he is being interviewed)
I like a coach like Pop because he is not afraid to play new talent.
He is firm/hard as a head coach, but his players love him still. So I'm not buying the whole, "you have to be very likeable (like DOC) to be a good coach" theory. He is also good with his X's and O's. Great at managing players minutes. Makes adjustments, Rides the hot hand, convinces great players like Manu Ginobilli to come off the bench.
If you think about it, we have roughly the same talent as the personnel they have in the Spurs. But we are still in the bottom 7/8 in the weaker conference.
Thats the end of my rant.
Personally, I think small ball will be a key to us having any kind of chance against the Heat in the playoffs.
We already lost then.
We won the game at the end of January and came very close to winning the one a couple of weeks ago by playing small ball.
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Yes but have you considered that Doc is a bad coach QED?
He is a two time coach of the year for two different teams.
He is the single biggest draw that we have for this team for free agents.
Players love him.
Coaches respect him.
He is not a bad coach. That's the same kind of idiotic complaining I've heard about Belichick being an overrated defensive coach. I mean LOL come on.
Um,
First off, 1 time coach of the year, with the Orlando Magic, hugely because of Tracy Mcgrady's move to Orlando. It turned around their 2000 season.
Biggest draw we have is Rajon Rondo, its well documented that he has been a big part of the recruitment process of players by reaching out to them in the off season.
Players love him because he is a good people person great at managing characters and egos. Coaches love him because he is a good X's and O's kind of coach, and after time out plays.
Here's what I don't like about his coaching.
He doesn't manage rotations well.
He doesn't make in-game adjustments.
He doesn't ride the hot hand.
He is stubborn with his "small ball".
He doesn't like/trust playing his big men
He doesn't give new players minutes. Says they have to earn them, but how does that work if you don't give them the opportunity to earn them said minutes.
He thinks that his system is not flawed, and if the players execute it to perfection, that we will be successful at all times.
(at least thats what I'm getting when he is being interviewed)
I like a coach like Pop because he is not afraid to play new talent.
He is firm/hard as a head coach, but his players love him still. So I'm not buying the whole, "you have to be very likeable (like DOC) to be a good coach" theory. He is also good with his X's and O's. Great at managing players minutes. Makes adjustments, Rides the hot hand, convinces great players like Manu Ginobilli to come off the bench.
If you think about it, we have roughly the same talent as the personnel they have in the Spurs. But we are still in the bottom 7/8 in the weaker conference.
Thats the end of my rant.
Doesn't manage rotations well: That's simply the classic cry of the arm chair coach who doesn't actually have any reason to watch the game all that carefully. It's always easy to sit in front of your TV screen with a cold one in one hand and a bag of chips in the other and shout; "c'mon, coach, put so-and-so in!!!"
Doesn't make in-game adjustments: Absurd. Of course he does. You may not recognize all of them, but that doesn't mean they don't happen.
He doesn't ride the hot hand: I've seen guys get hot and be given the green light countless times on this team. Take tonight's game as a recent example. They were working hard as a team to get Jeff Green the ball in scoring situations for much of the night when he was hot.
Stubborn with small ball: Personally, I think small ball will be a key to us having any kind of chance against the Heat in the playoffs.
Doesn't play bigs: See above.
Doesn't play new guys: Jamal Crawford and Shav Randolph would like to say hello.
Doesn't think his system is flawed: Haha. Good one.
End of response to rant.
You didn't even refute my arguments with factual evidences.
He doesn't manage his rotation, its a known fact. He always plays them either too much minutes or too little minutes.
For example tonight, Shavlik Randolph played decent, granted he didn't play like he did in the game against Atlanta, but he never got back to court until the last 4 minutes of play when we were down by 20.
He doesn't make in game adjustments, we could have gone bigger a bunch of times this game and a couple of games before, granted he made the adjustment of starting Wilcox Green and Bass, but that was not done in game, that was done after we lost 4 or 5 straight in a row.
That's the only adjustment he made, his starting 5, but he played small ball the rest of the game.
The in-game adjustments I am talking about is about match ups. The Knicks didn't have a real big tonight, Martin being the only one, he could have put Wilcox and Bass to bang inside, but nope, they only played the first 8 minutes together, after that, we went small.
If you think small ball is the key to beating Miami in the playoffs, just ask the 2011 Mavericks, they played them big, Chandler/Dirk/Haywood/Mahinmi/Marion all 6'9 or taller, and guess who won? Dallas.
And yes he doesn't play bigs. Hence small ball.
We don't have JAMAL CRAWFORD in our team, and Shav barely played tonight.
And I'm the arm chair coach...
I just call it like I see it...
Gee, thanks for all that factual evidences.
Anyway, it seemed to me that tonight our big starting lineup had trouble matching up with the Knicks small ball lineup to start the game. If anything, I would have rather seen Doc start two guards with Paul and Jeff at the three and four, respectively tonight. I give him credit for making the in-game adjustment of going smaller early to try to match up with the Knicks floor-spreading, three point shooting offense, though. Alas, the Knicks were on fire and we couldn't manage to cool them down. It certainly wasn't because we didn't go big enough.
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I hope Doc benches Bass when Garnett returns and keeps starting Green. If he doesn't, well, he'd just be a clown. I wouldn't be surprise if he congratulates himself out loud in the privacy of his home about how he's done such a bang up job of keeping Garnett fresh with his rest patterns. Sure Garnett might be hurt right now but imagine what Garnett would be like if Doc hadn't made sure Garnett doesn't go for longer than 5 minutes in the first and third quarters. Garnett might have retired from rheumatoid arthritis. Nobody has quite cracked the longevity code like Doc has.
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No way he deserves to be considered. One of his worst coaching performances of his career in my opinion.
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No team underachieved more and made worse use of their own personnel than the Celtics did in the first half of the season. Far and away the worst performance in the league relative to the talent on the roster. An absolute disaster.
Doc has done a lot better since the injuries but still too many questionable (lineup decisions, minutes distribution). A middling performance rather than a high level one.
So a terrible performance for the first half of the year and a mediocre one since then. Doc doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the COY discussion.
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As much as I love Doc I have to say this year really isn't worthy of COY consideration. He has definitely had to overcome some major adversity with Rondo going down and then Sully, but the Celtics aren't really in the discussion as an actual contender this season.
Is making the playoffs with 2 hall of famers on your squad plus plenty of other quality talent with guys like Green, Lee, Terry and Bradley really what constitutes COY?
If the Celtics had managed to climb to the 3 or even 4 seed, show more consistency overall and hadn't gotten off to such a poor start with their full compliment of players, then Doc would be in the conversation.
But the poor show at the start when there were fairly high expectations, followed by inconsistent play and some ugly losses to seriously bad teams really doesn't elicit the kind of admiration I had for him in previous seasons.
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I love Doc and I dont think he is a bad coach or having a bad coaching season. However, I dont see how he is even in the running this year.
Thibs has to be up there. Pop as usually. Im surprised no one has mentioned Spolestra. Yes he has some crazy talent on that team to get him through and hide his deficiencies, but any time a coach has a team that wins 27 straight and is so glorified by the media outlets, he has to be considered as COY, like it or not.
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Not even a little bit.
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No way he deserves to be considered. One of his worst coaching performances of his career in my opinion.
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No team underachieved more and made worse use of their own personnel than the Celtics did in the first half of the season. Far and away the worst performance in the league relative to the talent on the roster. An absolute disaster.
Doc has done a lot better since the injuries but still too many questionable (lineup decisions, minutes distribution). A middling performance rather than a high level one.
So a terrible performance for the first half of the year and a mediocre one since then. Doc doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the COY discussion.
Yeah, all initial snark aside I agree with this. I think Doc deserves some (not all) credit for keeping the team afloat with so many key injuries and midseason roster turnover, but the poor performance prior to the injuries disqualify him. We did a worse job integrating our new personnel than just about any team in the league, and that's got to go partly on Doc's shoulders.
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My biggest gripe with Doc this season:
Under-utilizing Jason Terry. Terry and Ray Allen are two VERY different players, yet Doc stuck Terry is Ray's role, and didn't allow him to create, which is what he's best at doing. Having Terry stand in the corner, come off screens, and spot-up is a waste of a decent scorer.
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My biggest gripe with Doc this season:
Under-utilizing Jason Terry. Terry and Ray Allen are two VERY different players, yet Doc stuck Terry is Ray's role, and didn't allow him to create, which is what he's best at doing. Having Terry stand in the corner, come off screens, and spot-up is a waste of a decent scorer.
I think a lot of people inckuding me thought Terry was good when he realy isn't. I was ripping him a couple weeks ago and got called out becauee he basically has been just as efficient as he was with Dallas.
I guess it was never fair to compare JEt a Zero time all star to Ray a 10 time all star
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No way he deserves to be considered. One of his worst coaching performances of his career in my opinion.
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No team underachieved more and made worse use of their own personnel than the Celtics did in the first half of the season. Far and away the worst performance in the league relative to the talent on the roster. An absolute disaster.
Doc has done a lot better since the injuries but still too many questionable (lineup decisions, minutes distribution). A middling performance rather than a high level one.
So a terrible performance for the first half of the year and a mediocre one since then. Doc doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the COY discussion.
what this Who guys says.... ;D
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My biggest gripe with Doc this season:
Under-utilizing Jason Terry. Terry and Ray Allen are two VERY different players, yet Doc stuck Terry is Ray's role, and didn't allow him to create, which is what he's best at doing. Having Terry stand in the corner, come off screens, and spot-up is a waste of a decent scorer.
I think a lot of people inckuding me thought Terry was good when he realy isn't. I was ripping him a couple weeks ago and got called out becauee he basically has been just as efficient as he was with Dallas.
I guess it was never fair to compare JEt a Zero time all star to Ray a 10 time all star
I'm not sure I agree with this whole 'he's not good' thing. I do think he's being severely underutilized. I think he has to be the go to guy off the bench.
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Yeaaaaah and rondo should win the MVP over Lebron.