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Beyond the Association => College Basketball => Topic started by: chambers on March 28, 2013, 06:51:48 AM
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Imagine they're all in the same draft. It's your pick and you need a franchise player.
Who do you pick?
I'm going with Parker. Wiggins is more Vince Carter to me, less shooting form, more insane athleticism and speed.
Parker is very Paul Pierce to me, not the fastest but crafty, smooth and creative, with excellent overall footwork and agility.
Both freaks among other freaks in the 2014 draft...
Recent mixtapes of both athletes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m6bui8zA5do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLsK-ZoL9sY&feature=youtu.be
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Well, unless we are terrible AND get lucky with ping pong balls (not happening) we won't get either kid. Both look fantastic, but we got to watch them against quality competition.
Wiggins looks flashy (mixtapes are made to look flashy), but the scary thing is he was the best player on the floor in last year's Nike Hoop Summit, being a year younger than everyone else. Of course Saric and Wang Zhelin helped him a lot, but he was fantastic on D, and scored with ease.
This year's Hoop Summit will be great to watch, with Parker and all those prospects (Randle, Young, the Harrisons...) Team USA will be scary. And we'll see if Wiggins can dominate again with lesser teammates (although Karasev and Hezonja are talented).
My vote is for Wiggins, but I'm hoping for them to enter the League and bring some fresh air, and most of all, make LeBron look even older ;)
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Guaranteed Wiggins. That kid is a star
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Wiggins is kobe/pippen with scarier athleticism. PArker is more like carmelo anthony. Even Julius Randle is gonna be a beast. Actually if these kids in next years draft are one and done the 2014 draft could actually be about 25 players deep with stars and superstar potential players. Its gonna be the best draft since the lebron draft in my opinion.
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Wiggins
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choice is WIGGINS BTW!!
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I'd go Jabari Parker.
His body is NBA ready and he looks more polished. Notaking anything away from Andrew Wiggins.
This is a RGIII over Andrew Luck debate I think. Wiggins potentially is a better player, but Parker is a safer way less downside pick.
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I can't see how you don't go with Wiggins.
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I like Wiggins a LOT better but knowing Danny he will go with Jabari who is Mormon. ::)
I'm a African American myself, but I don't understand how Jabari is Mormon, given how racist that church has been in the past.
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I can't see how you don't go with Wiggins.
Because his overall game is stronger.
He can lose weight and improve.
To me, Wiggins can't shoot well enough and his form is too hard to change to make him a great shooter. Parker can shoot from anywhere and also get to the rim and finish at the rim.
To me, Parker is like Pierce or Carmelo (more Pierce).
Wiggins is like McGrady or Carter.
Just personal preference.
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I can't see how you don't go with Wiggins.
Because his overall game is stronger.
He can lose weight and improve.
To me, Wiggins can't shoot well enough and his form is too hard to change to make him a great shooter. Parker can shoot from anywhere and also get to the rim and finish at the rim.
To me, Parker is like Pierce or Carmelo (more Pierce).
Wiggins is like McGrady or Carter.
Just personal preference.
McGrady minus injuries......... scary Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.
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I'd definitely go with Wiggins. It looks like he's grown and now stands a 6'8 or taller with the standard issue long arms. The guy is so explosive and smooth off the dribble with excellent body control. He is excellent at going coast to coast, an incredible valuable skill to have. He's not a selfish guy either. He's very willing to drop it off or kick it out to an open teammate.
Some of his complete games can be viewed on this blog, http://www.thebasketballdiary.com/. Just search Huntington Prep.
Parker can score at all three levels but I'm not sure about his first step or lateral quickness. The thing about Pierce is that while his vertical leap was average or slightly above average, he had a great first step and excellent lateral quickness. His athleticism played above how his body looked. Pierce didn't have a problem with guarding his position, creating space or getting to the rim and the line. I'm not sure Parker is going to be able to create space and get into the lane at will like Wiggins can and it just doesn't seem likely that Parker will be a plus defender like Wiggins is capable of being. Having seen Parker play since he was a sophomore, I think his athleticism has declined every year.
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at the mcdonalds all american game yesterday, these guys were defending each other the whole game. This may be the net great superstar rivalry in the NBA.
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Wiggins looks slightly more athletic than Gerald Green. That's pretty amazing
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He could be a great kid but Wiggins just seems like another of these super athletic dudes with not a whole lot of old school game. Te type who ESPN salivates over.
Ill take the skilled throwback in Parker. He also has a lot of size as he is almost 6'10".
Regardless, I prefer the sleeper kids like Sully and Avery.
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He could be a great kid but Wiggins just seems like another of these super athletic dudes with not a whole lot of old school game. Te type who ESPN salivates over.
Ill take the skilled throwback in Parker. He also has a lot of size as he is almost 6'10".
Regardless, I prefer the sleeper kids like Sully and Avery.
I agree, Wiggins has potential, but so does Fab Melo.
I see Parker becoming an almost instant superstar. Like a mould of kyrie Irving and Paul Pierce...silky, smooth & with a shooting ability that's already at an NBA level like Carmelo Anthony was at the same age.
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Wiggins the Canadian Jordan
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wiggins
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He could be a great kid but Wiggins just seems like another of these super athletic dudes with not a whole lot of old school game. Te type who ESPN salivates over.
Ill take the skilled throwback in Parker. He also has a lot of size as he is almost 6'10".
Regardless, I prefer the sleeper kids like Sully and Avery.
LOL. Sully and Avery? Nice role players, but it is superstars that win you championships. The Heat/Lakers/Spurs have won pretty much 95% of the past 15 NBA championships between them. They are led by Lebron, Kobe, and Duncan respectively.
If the Celtics can land Wiggins in 2014 they become instant contenders to the NBA throne.
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I don't know. That's why I'm not a GM.
But there's a lot of real impressive comparisons going on in this thread.
If Wiggins can really be the next T-Mac, I mean, you have to bite on that. In his prime, all twenty five seconds of it unhampered by injury, Tracy McGrady could've been the best basketball player ever.
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Definitely gotta go with wiggins.
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It'll be interesting to see if Wiggins can improve his jumpshot at Kansas.
Jabari's shooting is what puts him over the edge for me still. I mean Wiggins potential is that of a top 10 all time player in the Kobe/Jordan form.
I feel like Jabari is already closer to a Pierce/Carmelo level player and that's already on that path because of his jumpshot mechanics and ability to score and create.
He'll turn that flubber into muscle in the NBA or at least drop some pounds and be even more athletic.
I'm still going with Jabari but it's close- Wiggins has such an amazing amount of potential.
I need to see them play against some tougher competition in college to get a better idea. If Wiggins can get his shooting from 15 ft and 3 pt range up to Jabari's level then it's a no brainer.
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Andrew Wiggins. He has off the chart athleticism. Parker reminds me of Shabazz Muhammad. His athleticism is overrated and doesn't have the skills to be an elite defender. Wiggins has the chance to do it all.
A kid to keep on eye on is Zach Lavine out out of Washington, going to UCLA for college.
6'4 with a great looking stroke and elite athleticism. May be the one of the more underrated recruits in the 2013 class. He just needs to refine his game a little he makes some poor decisions. Kid is going to be a star though.
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Andrew Wiggins. He has off the chart athleticism. Parker reminds me of Shabazz Muhammad. His athleticism is overrated and doesn't have the skills to be an elite defender. Wiggins has the chance to do it all.
A kid to keep on eye on is Zach Lavine out out of Washington, going to UCLA for college.
6'4 with a great looking stroke and elite athleticism. May be the one of the more underrated recruits in the 2013 class. He just needs to refine his game a little he makes some poor decisions. Kid is going to be a star though.
Parker I don't think should be compared to Bazz. His ceiling is a lot more like a you g Grant Hill, with the same impeccable mental makeup.
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I think Parker has "Bust" written all over him.
I like the McGrady comparison for Wiggins. That was also my first impression.
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I think Parker has "Bust" written all over him.
I like the McGrady comparison for Wiggins. That was also my first impression.
I take Aaron Gordon ,Randle ,Smart over him .
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neither.
I'm picking Julius Randle.
Size, skill, strength, power and finesse all in one basketball player.
Rarely you can see a player with so much powe and moves very gracefully from the court.
He's the next best big guy. Heck, I think he can actually play the 3.
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I think Parker has "Bust" written all over him.
I like the McGrady comparison for Wiggins. That was also my first impression.
I take Aaron Gordon ,Randle ,Smart over him .
I wouldn´t pick a PG that high if I can avoid it, and in this draft, you probably can.
Gordon is somewhere in the Blake Griffin ballpark. It may be unfair, but I think he´s an injury waiting to happen.
Randle looks like the clear #2, at this point, and I´d be happy if we end up with him.
That said, he appears to have rather short arms. One knee injury, and you´re stuck with a big man with short arms.
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If you've got a couple hours to kill, the entire Nike Hoops Summit is on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtrJ3kWJVz0
Much more informative than the various highlight reels. Schroeder is really impressive, as is Randle--though I don't know that he'll be able to bully players at the same level in the NBA.
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I think Parker has "Bust" written all over him.
I like the McGrady comparison forWiggins. That was also my first impression.
I disagree. Wiggins has potential higher than anyone but Parkers game is the most complete already. He can shoot, get to the hole and pass like a point guard. In fact I'd say his ceiling is more of a Paul Pierce or Carmelo.
He's got NBA sf size but doesn't use it to push around the smaller college kids like Randle or Wiggins; he's smooth and crafty and has incredible agility and instincts.
To me he's the safest pick because of his handle and NBA shooting ability. Finding a guy that can play point guard, rebound and shoot at 6 foot 8 is a very safe future all star pick.
Have a look at the way pierce and melo played in high school and college.
Playing at Duke may not be the best move for an isolation pierce style game so hopefully he may drop one or two picks to us at 4 or 5 :)
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I disagree. Wiggins has potential higher than anyone but Parkers game is the most complete already. He can shoot, get to the hole and pass like a point guard. In fact I'd say his ceiling is more of a Paul Pierce or Carmelo.
Yeah, and then you hear him in an interview, and think he´s rather stupid and naive...and phony. Dwight Howard level.
And you see pictures of him during the summer, and wonder where all the fat came from. He really doesn´t appear to have the drive or the grip on reality you´d want in your "franchise player". He´s still young, though, so that could change.
Pierce came back a changed man after the stabbing. We can´t expect anything similar with Parker...and Pierce played college basketball and was a better player when he entered the league. I´d say his athleticism was also a lot better.
At this point, it´s all conjecture and guesswork, anyway, but I see Adam Morrison 2.0. I might take a flyer on that at the end of the lottery, not at the top of the so-called "draft of the decade".
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Wiggins definitely
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Its like we're talking about 2 different people. Hes not fat, he's built like Pierce. Almost identically. Can jump very well and can shoot the lights out.
Watch some videos of him shooting; particularly shot creation of the dribble like Melo or Pierce.
Adam Morrison is an insult. I don't know where you're getting the attitude stuff from coz he's mormon and a straight A student lol.
Out of the entire lottery his game translates to the NBA better than anybody. He has length, shooting ability of a 5 year NBA veteran with an incredible combination of court IQ and anticipation and instincts.
He can finish in contact and he can defend very well-I'm not sure where you got the defensive problems stuff either.
If he came into the NBA tomorrow he'd be starting on a playoff team.
One of the biggest talents in the last 10 years.
Probably the closet thing to Pierce in the last 15 years.
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Give me Julius "bulldozer" Randle all day!
If you get the number 1 pick, you gotta go Wiggins
He's gonna be a once in a generation type player.
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I can't see how you don't go with Wiggins.
Because his overall game is stronger.
He can lose weight and improve.
To me, Wiggins can't shoot well enough and his form is too hard to change to make him a great shooter. Parker can shoot from anywhere and also get to the rim and finish at the rim.
To me, Parker is like Pierce or Carmelo (more Pierce).
Wiggins is like McGrady or Carter.
Just personal preference.
To be clear: I don't know anything about either, but the language used here sounds a LOT like the Carmelo vs Lebron stuff. Melo is NBA ready, can score at an elite level, better shot; Lebron is just athletic, bad shot form, etc.
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If you've got a couple hours to kill, the entire Nike Hoops Summit is on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtrJ3kWJVz0
Much more informative than the various highlight reels. Schroeder is really impressive, as is Randle--though I don't know that he'll be able to bully players at the same level in the NBA.
thanks for the vid, very helpful
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Dante Exum.
He'd may be available around picks 7-10
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http://m.basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228961/andrew-wiggins-hopes-to-play-for-raptors
Given that he may be the only superstar that actually wants to play for the raps I kind of hope they get the first pick.
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I would absolutely pick Wiggins. Jabari Parker wouldn't even be the 2nd option. I like Randle more than Parker.
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http://m.basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/228961/andrew-wiggins-hopes-to-play-for-raptors
Given that he may be the only superstar that actually wants to play for the raps I kind of hope they get the first pick.
he wants to represent canada, the same way d rose wanted to rep his hometown chicago
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People are crazy saying Parker won't even be a first option. He has an nba game/body right now. Let alone is going to play for the best coach in the game. Don't get me wrong I think Wiggins is the better guy but won't be crying if we end up with Parker.
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Before Parker and Wiggins faced off in the all-star games, I was squarely on the side of Wiggins because of his greater athleticism but after seeing them face off, I think it might be a wash. For one, I definitely underestimated Parker's athleticism. A good indicator of his athleticism is that he has very good build up speed and his excellent handle lets him maximize it. When he gets a rebound and brings the ball up the court, he is far more dangerous than I thought. He has that freight train capacity.
Another thing, Parker is just so skilled. For him, it's all about becoming a more accurate shooter and toning up his body but everything is already there. The footwork, the shooting mechanics, the post game, the in-between shots, the three-point range, the court vision. He has a Carmelo like body and skill set with what looks to be a better team mindset.
Wiggins has much further to go. He looked like a twig up against Parker but that's fine for his age. I'd guess his frame might like Paul George's eventually. He gets harried after five or more dribbles; he's going to have to work on that to become more of a featured player. His shooting mechanics aren't odd like Marion's or Martin's but it's abbreviated and hoppy. He can get his shot off in a half-sized phone booth but I don't know if that's optimal.
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I disagree. Wiggins has potential higher than anyone but Parkers game is the most complete already. He can shoot, get to the hole and pass like a point guard. In fact I'd say his ceiling is more of a Paul Pierce or Carmelo.
Yeah, and then you hear him in an interview, and think he´s rather stupid and naive...and phony. Dwight Howard level.
And you see pictures of him during the summer, and wonder where all the fat came from. He really doesn´t appear to have the drive or the grip on reality you´d want in your "franchise player". He´s still young, though, so that could change.
At this point, it´s all conjecture and guesswork, anyway, but I see Adam Morrison 2.0. I might take a flyer on that at the end of the lottery, not at the top of the so-called "draft of the decade".
Show me an interview that gives the notion that he is stupid/naive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSbmA3Qle8Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSbmA3Qle8Y)
"He's polite, a serious young man who is not big on the media...gets along well with his teammates...not always acting like a big-shot around them..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMLeeKzPL8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paMLeeKzPL8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glTdaZpAHMg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glTdaZpAHMg)
Strong competitor that plays hard on both ends of the floor. Rarely fails to "show up" for games ... Moves around the court well with or without the ball ... Good overall shot-selection ... Hard worker, who appears to respect the game ...High-character player and a member of the LDS church ...
That is not the issue with Jabari. With him, you know that he will bring that mentality to the floor. The "It" factor. Everything suggests so. And he has the talent to back it up.
Also - and I'm not advocating anything, but the fact that he's religious means that he has a strong will and has good moral values. He's a dedicated person. That's always a plus because it is contagious to the entire team.
The only question marks for him are physical attributes, which can be easily polished.
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Most people seem to think Wiggins is the pick, but, lets see what happens when they play some college ball.
Not saying college should or shouldn't affect draft stock, but it does.
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Wiggin's stroke is sort of like Dell Curry's in the sense that he has very little arm swing to get the ball into a shooting position. Ray Allen has an arm swing down to his hip, almost every player brings the ball down and then up into position. Wiggins dips the ball down to his neck and then right up into position. That's not really what's so different, it's that he also jumps two feet in the air while doing so. Dell Curry and another short arm stroke shooter like Ginobili had set shots.
Try keeping the ball high and then shooting while jumping fairly high. It's not easy.
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Wiggins seems to have no personality, while Parker is genuinely likeable. There have always been better players than Paul Pierce, but I have loved watching him play - because I liked his personality.
Wiggins bores me. Put me in camp Jabari.
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Wiggins, I could care less about personality, I am more about ability on the court.
Wiggins can jump really well. I have seen him dunk it looking down at the rim.
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Personality shouldnt matter. Are you telling me you would take Paul Pierce over Kobe or LBJ because you like watching pierce play (Im a huge pierce fan dont get me wrong)
Wiggins is just soooooo athletic. and ridiculously good. one thing that is underrated about him that parker picked up on is his burst speed, where he can blow past his defender in a couple of steps
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Both
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Let me say this and you guys might think i'm crazy but by the time everything is said an done Julius Randle Might be better than both players the kid is an absolute monster. That is not saying i wouldn't take parker or wiggins but i don't think you can go wrong with any of these 3 Studs!!!!
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Wait till after the college season then decide..remember before last season when Shabazz Mohamend was the greatest thing since slice bread, look how that turn out...so these high school kids may be great in high school but wait to see how they do in college
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Let me say this and you guys might think i'm crazy but by the time everything is said an done Julius Randle Might be better than both players the kid is an absolute monster. That is not saying i wouldn't take parker or wiggins but i don't think you can go wrong with any of these 3 Studs!!!!
You aren't crazy. Randle is my second favorite of the prospects (youtube analyst, keep in mind). He has a lot of potential with his size and athletic ability. He is a natural going to the rim.
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Personality shouldnt matter. Are you telling me you would take Paul Pierce over Kobe or LBJ because you like watching pierce play (Im a huge pierce fan dont get me wrong)
Wiggins is just soooooo athletic. and ridiculously good. one thing that is underrated about him that parker picked up on is his burst speed, where he can blow past his defender in a couple of steps
I think it's fair to say that personality and character can be linked, and after seeing guys like Aaron Hernandez and to a lesser degree alfonso dennard get in trouble, personality should matter.
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Wiggins, I could care less about personality, I am more about ability on the court.
Wiggins can jump really well. I have seen him dunk it looking down at the rim.
so can Gerald Green, but just being able to dunk on people won't do you any good long term
Of all the highlights I've seen of him, he is just dunking. I'm very impressed with Gordon, Jabari and Julius Randle...
say for example if we do get the #1 pick...who do you guys most want us to pick? Will you guys buy into the Wiggins hype and draft him or will you draft someone else?
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Honestly if we draft Randle, Parker, Wiggins or Gordon I'll be happy, probably won't have a firm opinion until I see them play in college.
With how the Celtics are trending I think I will watch a lot more college basketball than normal. I'm going to try and catch as many Duke, Kansas, Kentucky and Arizona games as possible, while also watching the normal amount of BC basketball that I usually watch.
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KG always had way more personality than Tim Duncan.
Point being, personality is nice, but winning is better.
Give me the player that will win us more games.
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I like Randle and Parker better. Wiggins is quick, and athletic, but like others have said his shot looks weird and needs a lot of work on.
No one can replace Pierce, but if anyone I can see Parker being the one to do it.
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I have never seen them play a full competitive game(All-Star games don't count). My guess is most here haven't. I refuse to make a determination on these children until I have at least seen them play some in college.
I did make a very early determination on Nerlens Noel but I had seen him play since he was in middle school.
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I don't know enough about either to feel comfortable making a choice. Obviously Wiggins has received more press to this point, but we'll see how they do this upcoming year. There are others who will likely be quite good coming out of the 2014 draft, like Randle. It'll be an exciting year.
What I'd love more than anything else, though, is for the Cs to luck into a top 1 or 2 pick, which then gets traded with salary filler to OKC for Durant. I know its not happening, but I can dream, right?
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I don't know enough about either to feel comfortable making a choice. Obviously Wiggins has received more press to this point, but we'll see how they do this upcoming year. There are others who will likely be quite good coming out of the 2014 draft, like Randle. It'll be an exciting year.
What I'd love more than anything else, though, is for the Cs to luck into a top 1 or 2 pick, which then gets traded with salary filler to OKC for Durant. I know its not happening, but I can dream, right?
That's a crazy crazy dream.
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Dante Exum.
He'd may be available around picks 7-10
Hell yes! I love this guy. Danny needs to get him.
(http://www.lithuaniatribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Australian-Dante-Exum-continues-to-take-the-tournament-by-storm..jpg)
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Personality shouldnt matter. Are you telling me you would take Paul Pierce over Kobe or LBJ because you like watching pierce play (Im a huge pierce fan dont get me wrong)
Wiggins is just soooooo athletic. and ridiculously good. one thing that is underrated about him that parker picked up on is his burst speed, where he can blow past his defender in a couple of steps
Sorry - the same Kobe Bryant who was accused of rape? Uh, yeah, I would take Pierce 1000 times out of 1000 over him.
I want to like the team I root for. ...winning a championship doesn't help my life personally. Rooting for a team is about enjoying the games. I'd rather root for a player whose personality I think is enjoyable.
Personally, I find LeBron very likeable. Dwayne Wade, on the other hand, I can't stand (the crotch kick, breaking Rondo's arm) and I would rather have Keith Bogans than Dwayne Wade.
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I have never seen them play a full competitive game(All-Star games don't count). My guess is most here haven't. I refuse to make a determination on these children until I have at least seen them play some in college.
I did make a very early determination on Nerlens Noel but I had seen him play since he was in middle school.
TP Nick for the voice of reason
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I would go with Parker for sure.
First of all he has the killer instinct and a super high basketball iq which is still a question mark in many scouts minds regarding Wiggins. Wiggins of the chart athleticism is sexy but Parker is more than athletic enough for either the 3 or 4.
Most importantly however, I think that Parker poses a much smaller significant injury risk than Wiggins. Uber athletic gazelles like Wiggins almost always sustain a major career altering injury (Penny Hardaway, TMac, Grant Hill, D Rose...the list goes on and on). Solidly put together players that don't have as much of the fast twitch muscle seem to have fewer of major lower body injuries and age much more gracefully. Two great examples are Pierce and Melo who'm Parker gets most often compared to.
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I have never seen them play a full competitive game(All-Star games don't count). My guess is most here haven't. I refuse to make a determination on these children until I have at least seen them play some in college.
I did make a very early determination on Nerlens Noel but I had seen him play since he was in middle school.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtrJ3kWJVz0
I've watched this game a couple of times. To be honest, I came away much less impressed with both Wiggins and Parker after watching that game than I had expected, given all the hype.
I did fall in love with Dennis Schroeder, though. Dante Exum is pretty cool, as well.
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I have never seen them play a full competitive game(All-Star games don't count). My guess is most here haven't. I refuse to make a determination on these children until I have at least seen them play some in college.
I did make a very early determination on Nerlens Noel but I had seen him play since he was in middle school.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtrJ3kWJVz0
I've watched this game a couple of times. To be honest, I came away much less impressed with both Wiggins and Parker after watching that game than I had expected, given all the hype.
I did fall in love with Dennis Schroeder, though. Dante Exum is pretty cool, as well.
Reading through this thread, was all ready to post that exact Hoop Summit vid. Nicely done.
Of course, reading too much into one game is dangerous.
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Didn't thee two kids just play their first college games last night? How in the world do all you people "know" so much about them? Youtube highlight videos? I could make one of myself that made me look good.
Let's hold off on saying who's better.
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Parker has the more polished game, Wiggins has the athleticism.
Wiggins may have more upside as a result, but Parker is probably a more sure thing (less relative bust potential).
If we do get the chance, I'd prefer Parker. I'm also biased. Huge Duke fan.
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From what I've seen? Parker easily
Wiggins will be an nba bust considering his expectations
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We should pass on all of the run-of-the-mill HOFers available in the draft and pick the one that's going to be better than LeBron.
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This entire draft is insanely loaded, and the top five--maybe even the top ten--are probably going to be ridiculous this year.
I would love either one of Parker or Wiggins, but I think if I had to choose one based on our roster right now, it would be Wiggins because he could be a SG in the NBA at his size.
I would love to have his as the first option, next to Rondo, with Green in a more comfortable second option role. AB coming off the bench.. Sully, KO, and Fav as main rotation bigs all with a full year dedicated to their development. I see that as a team a year or two away from contending.
But I am a super optimist that sees our team as really just Rondo and a superstar talent, and some player development away from contention.
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Based on last night....Julius Randle. Dude played like a MAN.
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Based on last night....Julius Randle. Dude played like a MAN.
Yup. +1. ;D
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I'm pretty sure we're going to end up with a top 5 pick...id be very happy with Wiggins, Randle, Exum, Parker, and Embiid(in that order). All have superstar potential. Guys like Smart, Andrew Harrison, Aaron Gordon, and Wayne Selden have potential to be all-stars. Id say there's about 10-12 kids in the draft that have potential to be all-stars. Wiggins definitely has the most potential.
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I've liked what I've seen of all three. Parker looks very polished offensively though. And Randle looks like Josh Smith but maybe without the boneheadedness (always what has held Smith back).
I'd put Randle and Parker above Wiggins at the moment but all three looked good.
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I'll take both.
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I'll take both.
Edit:
Wrong thread.
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Parkers first game at Duke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1aWmU58c8\
Pretty hot night
Wiggins was okay too 16 pts 6 rebounds but lots of free throws. Dude seems to lack the killer instinct of guys like Pierce and Melo. More of a laid back Lebron who's had too much exposure and pressure. Might take Wiggins a few years to get the spark like Lebron did.
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Loved his elbow, pull up jumper (very Pierce-esque). The fade away in the lane way a thing of beauty. Dude has a good stroke too, very smooth player.
Parker is a guy you can tell will get every ounce of talent out of his body.
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This topic was originally created in March 2013.
So what's everyone's take now?
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Before the season i said Wiggins but now i'd take Parker
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This topic was originally created in March 2013.
So what's everyone's take now?
The same:
I'll take both.
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Parker looks like a hall of famer. Over the top? Crazy? Unnecessary hyperbole? Probably to all those.
But watching the kid play, he's a leader, he can pass, he can score, he can rebound, he can defend, he plays very, very hard, and he's a natural leader. He's got the handles and instincts to bring the ball up the floor if he has to. He can penetrate from teh perimeter, he can face up he can go back to basket..I mean. That's the guy I wanna see in Celtics green for the next 15 years.
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I'd still pick Wiggins over Parker, but right now I'd take Embiid over both.
Parker is fantastic, but he's doing all that against college competition. If a raw Wiggins can shut him down, imagine what grown men can do to him.
Wiggins shows a real NBA skill, defense, and lots of potential at everything else. The kid doesn't lack confidence, he took the decision to guard Parker in his second NCAA game, against what Coach Self told him to do. He was benched because of foul trouble in the first half, then he took over the game. That's a winner in my book.
Both Parker and Wiggins will be great players, but if Parker is that good, then Wiggins is already an elite defender.
Embiid, on the other hand, seems like a generational talent at the center position. He could be a bust, and the other kids might be better in the end, but if you have the chance to pick Embiid, you have to do it.
And I still think we won't get a chance to pick in the top 3.
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I think Parker is more NBA-ready than Wiggins but does not have as high a ceiling... I take Jabari though as pick #2 to Embiid!
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Parker with first pick
Hood .......with second pick
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Parker with the first
Chris Walker with the second (15-17)