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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: Tr1boy on March 22, 2013, 09:42:13 PM
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The bad
- Burke : team won but went 2 for 10
- Otto Porter: 5-17 and team got upset
- Anthony Bennett: Early first round exit but managed to end with a decent 15 points 11 rebounds
The Good
- Mcdermott
- CJ Leslie
- Allen Crabbe
- Macadoo
- Plumlee
Anyone else can add to either list??
Fortunately for guys like Burke , he still has a chance to redeem himself. But Otto Porter who was 3-5 in alot of mock draft sites might have left the door open for others to climb over him now.
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Ben McLamore doesn't look like a number one pick
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Bad: Marcus Smart. Looked lost and was aggressive but in an uncontrolled way. Entire team was out of focus.
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Smart is still young and it would be wiser for him to stay another year and develop better fg percentage. But i think i read somewhere that he is coming out for this years draft (prob bc of money and its considered weak).
Some had him the #1 pick. Some had him #2. With the early exit , i don't think he will be chosen so high. This is going to be a wild draft with no clear cut #1
projected top picks
Mclamore - mediocre game today though team won. shot 2-5 for a guy who is suppose to be considered #1 pick.
Marcus Smart - Team eliminated. 5-13 is not great shooting stats. But 9 rbs and 4 assists are nice stats.low fg percentage is a big concern
Noel - ACL injury or else would of prob gone #1
Otto porter - team eliminated, shot 5-17
Alex Len - team won but shot 2-7 and 3 reb
Oliadipo - Team won but only scored 10 points. Had trouble creating his shot today
Shabazz Muhammad - UCLA upset , shot 6-18 which is horrible
Bennett - Team upset, but had a decent game with 15 pts and 11 reb
Cauley Stein - 9 pts, 4 reb, kentucky early eliminated. Should stay in college another year.
The guys who have fallen under the radar
Cody Zeller - Excellent performance, scoring 20 and grabbing 10 rebounds approx
Miles Plumlee - Same as above.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - team didn't even make 1st round of MM. But last game scored 32 pts, 13 rebounds for a 6-5 guard.
Glen Robinson 3 and Tim Hardaway Jr. - Both had great games yesterday. Something like 20 points each for Michigan
All i can say is, 2013 draft is looking like its going to be a wild unpredictable draft. Glen Robinson could go as late as 20 and as high as 5. Maybe if Len keeps putting up mediocre stats, he somehow drops all the way to the celts.
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gimme next season with wiggans and parker
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Add Otto Porter to the bad. While he did do a ton of everything, his lacked of strength was exposed against that surprisingly athletic and strong FGCU squad. He's not looking like a top 5 pick to me after that game, but he's still top 10.
Mike Muscala looks like he can get pushed around in the NBA. He's a 2nd rounder to me compare to a mid to late first as projected before.
Everyone in Kentucky's draft stock dropped.
Shabazz had a very bad showing, but I'd still take him #1 since Noel is down. The upside is just too high to pass. But with the bad performance, I won't be surprised if he drops.
As for the good, Anthony Bennett, even after a loss, is a top 5 pick. Jamaal Franklin looks like a top 10 pick to me. Can do it all.
Romero Osby is an NBA player and should be worth taking a look at.
Doug McDermott is still an enigma to me, but I didn't see something to drop him of draft stocks yesterday.
Vander Blue, if he comes out, is a NBA player. Love his confidence and heart and it showed in that epic comeback against Davidson. He looks like he's also athletic enough to battle against NBA guards.
Jeff Whitey, WE SHOULD DRAFT THIS KID.
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Kelly Olynk looked pretty bad for the Zags. Don't know his total stat line but as Gonzaga was staring at an upset, he couldn't even stop the bleeding.
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Ainge claims that NCAA tournament performances have little effect on draft stock for GMs, more-so for the fans.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226844/Ainge-Celtics-Put-Little-Stock-In-NCAA-Tournament
"Danny Ainge said the Boston Celtics give little credence to how players perform in the NCAA tournament.
“What the public knows and what the NBA people know is a lot different,” Ainge said. “We don’t put a whole lot on a bad performance or a great performance. We try to analyze why they played well. Was it a great matchup or were they double-teaming a guy to take him out?
“I remember Mark Price slipped in the draft after a game against Georgetown. They really did a number on him. He had a terrible game, and he slipped a little bit, but I think generally speaking there’s not a lot of stock put into what they do in the NCAA tournament.”
He should know, but I have to admit that it is a perspective that surprises me a little.
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Kelly Olynk looked pretty bad for the Zags. Don't know his total stat line but as Gonzaga was staring at an upset, he couldn't even stop the bleeding.
I disagree.
He made key plays down the 10-6 minute stretch in the second half. He wss very goodnin the pick and roll and scored a few down low to keep Southern at bay. Granted he was nit thenkey, but he did his part.
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Kelly Olynk looked pretty bad for the Zags. Don't know his total stat line but as Gonzaga was staring at an upset, he couldn't even stop the bleeding.
I disagree.
He made key plays down the 10-6 minute stretch in the second half. He wss very goodnin the pick and roll and scored a few down low to keep Southern at bay. Granted he was nit thenkey, but he did his part.
Turnovers, bad defense, stagnated the offense. Thought he looked pretty bad.
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Shabazz had a very bad showing, but I'd still take him #1 since Noel is down. The upside is just too high to pass. But with the bad performance, I won't be surprised if he drops.
Did you know he's lied about his age? Actually 19.
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Trey Burke has really impressed me today. His performance in the first half against VCU was fantastic, as he scored, distributed, and overall ran Michigan's offense really well. I've been down on him this year so far, but his play has me thinking the Wolverines could make some serious noise this March.
Tim Hardaway Jr. played excellent as well. I've said before that a future backcourt of Rondo, Bradley, and THJ could be one of the best trios in the league in a couple years. Hardaway Jr. can play either guard position, shoot from the outside, and can attack the rim. I would be ecstatic if we drafted him.
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Ainge claims that NCAA tournament performances have little effect on draft stock for GMs, more-so for the fans.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226844/Ainge-Celtics-Put-Little-Stock-In-NCAA-Tournament
"Danny Ainge said the Boston Celtics give little credence to how players perform in the NCAA tournament.
“What the public knows and what the NBA people know is a lot different,” Ainge said. “We don’t put a whole lot on a bad performance or a great performance. We try to analyze why they played well. Was it a great matchup or were they double-teaming a guy to take him out?
“I remember Mark Price slipped in the draft after a game against Georgetown. They really did a number on him. He had a terrible game, and he slipped a little bit, but I think generally speaking there’s not a lot of stock put into what they do in the NCAA tournament.”
He should know, but I have to admit that it is a perspective that surprises me a little.
There is truth to what Danny is stating. But i don't agree with some of the things he points out relating to the not high stock in the MM performance like the Mark Price example.
The MM you can say is the kicker, in terms of where you get drafted. A good performance can climb you into the 1st round and into the lotto.
I'm no scout for but i think this is the way they analyze players
good regular season performance - shows consistency
good regular season performance vs top ranked schools - easier to gauge capabilities vs nba calibre player
good performance against man vs your position - shows iso ability in both offense and defense
good MM performance (at least get into Sweet 16/Elite 8 ) - Shows ability and excel in pressure situations
No doubt all factors are important but i'd take MM performance (as long as their team goes far) over regular season vs no name schools. There are always exceptions like the Mark Price's or Adam Morrison's but usually MM performers do better in the nba
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ESPN did an analysis of NCAA performance vs regular-season performance, and players who played better in the tournament not only got drafted higher, but also had longer careers than players who didn't. I think it was in their recent analytics issue. Can't find the article online.
Low sample size though, but it looks like it flies right in the wind of what Danny's saying.
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Jeff Withey as usual had a very nice MM game. He had 7 blocks. But i'm not a big fan of his 6 rebounds. For a guy with his length, he should not easily pulling in 10 rebounds
As for centers, this kid Mitch Mcgary reminds me of perk. Just a bully inside much similiar to our Sully. Good rebounder and decent basketball feel and game. Motor and energy is always on level high. He is not coming out after this year i assume but a nice player to keep an eye out
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I watched Doug McDermott for the first time yesterday, and he intrigued me with his double double. Seems to be projected to be drafted in the teens or 20s where the C's will be drafting.
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I watched Doug McDermott for the first time yesterday, and he intrigued me with his double double. Seems to be projected to be drafted in the teens or 20s where the C's will be drafting.
It helps when your dad is a basketball coach and you have high bbiq. His shooting is quick and accurate. Battles on the inside and scores and rebounds like he has no business doing so. The desire , motor is always on a high level. He has underrated footwork and quickness
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Shabazz had a very bad showing, but I'd still take him #1 since Noel is down. The upside is just too high to pass. But with the bad performance, I won't be surprised if he drops.
Did you know he's lied about his age? Actually 19.
Yes, I have read about it. But it's only a year difference, it's not that bad.
Even though they are out of the Tourney already, I'd take him over McLemore right now.
Kelly Olynk looked pretty bad for the Zags. Don't know his total stat line but as Gonzaga was staring at an upset, he couldn't even stop the bleeding.
I disagree.
He made key plays down the 10-6 minute stretch in the second half. He wss very goodnin the pick and roll and scored a few down low to keep Southern at bay. Granted he was nit thenkey, but he did his part.
Turnovers, bad defense, stagnated the offense. Thought he looked pretty bad.
His turnovers and bad defense indeed needs work, which is why he is not a top 5 pick. I didn't see him stunk up on offense though, he got in and played pick and roll to perfection. Got to the line a couple of times too in that 5-7 minute span.
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Shabazz had a very bad showing, but I'd still take him #1 since Noel is down. The upside is just too high to pass. But with the bad performance, I won't be surprised if he drops.
Did you know he's lied about his age? Actually 19.
Yes, I have read about it. But it's only a year difference, it's not that bad.
Even though they are out of the Tourney already, I'd take him over McLemore right now.
I'm gonna start a new thread so as not to hijack this one, but I think its a bigger deal than just the year older regarding his draft stock.
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- olynyks gonzaga eliminated. He had a decent game at 26 pts , 9 rebounds etc.
I watched the game and the thing he kept doing for most of the game is pick and rolls. At the 2nd half Wichita State did an excellent job of guarding it and Olynyk was not as effective. He has some decent post moves, but rarely went to that route. Don't think he is really comfortable down at the block. Also decent on defense, but his lateral quickness is avg to below avg. He is going to suffer in the nba, unless he can bulk up to be able to guard nba centers.
Personally i don't think i would draft him. The avg defense is too much of a liability imo.
- The further michigan advances the better it will be for the celts. Guys like Glen Robinson 3 and Trey Burke will keep climbing and others may drop then to us. I like Robinson 3 but i think he will be gone from 10-14. Tim Hardaway Jr. has a nice feel to the game thx to pops. Good pentration and outside game. Not extremely quick nor athletic but crafty and has nice size for a sg at 6'6. Is projected to go in the late 1st round but could be in demand by the 20's
- Michael Carter Williams def looks like the 2nd coming of Penny Hardaway. Penetration and hangtime finish around the basket is top notch. Excellent passer and due to his size at 6'6 i can see him play either the sg/pg. Smart , defensively capable, plays with passion and high iq. Only thing stopping him is his lack of consistent shot. Was projected to go 15-20. But maybe closer to 7-12. Just too talented even without a shot
- Mitch Mcgary is a beast. reminds me of perk. His picks are punishing on defenders. Very strong, runs good for his size and scored i don't know how many garbage buckets today.
- Russ Smith from Louville is like a smaller Jordan Crawford. Extremely agressive and can go on hot streaks of scoring. Not a generous passer and at only 6'1 nobody knows what position he can play at the next level. Very good defender. Sounds like a guy danny could be interested in?
THE BAD
- CRABBE after a great first round game. Was horrific today against Syracuse. Just zero confidence out there and passed up shots left and right. I think scored only 4 points and went like 2 for 5
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I would not touch Kelly O with a ten foot pole. He lacks athletic ability and plays below the rim.
I think the Kansas kid is a lot better than Melo.
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I would not touch Kelly O with a ten foot pole. He lacks athletic ability and plays below the rim.
I think the Kansas kid is a lot better than Melo.
You mean Jeff Withey?
Had to look that up because I don't know as I don't follow, sorry.
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Yeah , Withey. He is a better defender and has more skills than Melo but is hardly an elite player.
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I'd take Olynyk if he falls to where we are. He's at least a solid back up.
He'll be better than Bass right away, I'll tell you that.
I like the idea of taking Withey, too. Should be a solid defensive backup center.
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I'd steal Elias Harris in the second round.
The kid is undersized at 6'8" but knows how to use his strong big frame down low. Can hit shots outside and tenacious on the glass.
He's a cheaper Bass.
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- Michael Carter Williams def looks like the 2nd coming of Penny Hardaway. Penetration and hangtime finish around the basket is top notch. Excellent passer and due to his size at 6'6 i can see him play either the sg/pg. Smart , defensively capable, plays with passion and high iq. Only thing stopping him is his lack of consistent shot. Was projected to go 15-20. But maybe closer to 7-12. Just too talented even without a shot
I've watched almost every Syracuse game this year, and MCW is still an enigma. Penny is a major stretch, but he could eventually be an excellent player or fall apart in the more rigorous NBA game. Either way I think he'll be a disaster next year until he figures out how to play consistently. Too many boneheaded plays, and his athleticism gets just enough of them to work for him to keep trying. The success rate of those poor decisions will go way down in the pros.
I am convinced that James Southerland is the second coming of James Posey, though. Not worth our first but it'd be cool to see him wind up here one way or another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fACRkZ6kXAA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fACRkZ6kXAA)
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I'd steal Elias Harris in the second round.
The kid is undersized at 6'8" but knows how to use his strong big frame down low. Can hit shots outside and tenacious on the glass.
He's a cheaper Bass.
Nice to get a second round pick. Don't think that we have one.
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- Michael Carter Williams def looks like the 2nd coming of Penny Hardaway. Penetration and hangtime finish around the basket is top notch. Excellent passer and due to his size at 6'6 i can see him play either the sg/pg. Smart , defensively capable, plays with passion and high iq. Only thing stopping him is his lack of consistent shot. Was projected to go 15-20. But maybe closer to 7-12. Just too talented even without a shot
I've watched almost every Syracuse game this year, and MCW is still an enigma. Penny is a major stretch, but he could eventually be an excellent player or fall apart in the more rigorous NBA game. Either way I think he'll be a disaster next year until he figures out how to play consistently. Too many boneheaded plays, and his athleticism gets just enough of them to work for him to keep trying. The success rate of those poor decisions will go way down in the pros.
I am convinced that James Southerland is the second coming of James Posey, though. Not worth our first but it'd be cool to see him wind up here one way or another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fACRkZ6kXAA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fACRkZ6kXAA)
He is a freshman. So far these two games plus the last regular season game, he is looking like a lotto pick. The last game of the year he was def making mistakes in the 1st half. You shake your head and feel he should not even go in the lotto. Than in the 2nd half he shakes it off and plays with focus and syracuse wins. I'd overlook his here and there silly mistakes bc he plays with passion. I think he will iron things out. Someone said if he also had a shot, he could of gone top 5 pick. The size is just too good for a pg
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If we draft 19 and its between withey or olynyk who would you choose?? Yes Olynyk can dribble better and has better scoring moves/touch, but Withey would own him on defense. Plus is underrated on offense actually, with a nice hook shot , dunks through alley hoops, jump shots and due to his lengths garbage tip ins.
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- Michael Carter Williams def looks like the 2nd coming of Penny Hardaway. Penetration and hangtime finish around the basket is top notch. Excellent passer and due to his size at 6'6 i can see him play either the sg/pg. Smart , defensively capable, plays with passion and high iq. Only thing stopping him is his lack of consistent shot. Was projected to go 15-20. But maybe closer to 7-12. Just too talented even without a shot
I've watched almost every Syracuse game this year, and MCW is still an enigma. Penny is a major stretch, but he could eventually be an excellent player or fall apart in the more rigorous NBA game. Either way I think he'll be a disaster next year until he figures out how to play consistently. Too many boneheaded plays, and his athleticism gets just enough of them to work for him to keep trying. The success rate of those poor decisions will go way down in the pros.
He is a freshman. So far these two games plus the last regular season game, he is looking like a lotto pick. The last game of the year he was def making mistakes in the 1st half. You shake your head and feel he should not even go in the lotto. Than in the 2nd half he shakes it off and plays with focus and syracuse wins. I'd overlook his here and there silly mistakes bc he plays with passion. I think he will iron things out. Someone said if he also had a shot, he could of gone top 5 pick. The size is just too good for a pg
He's a sophomore, he didn't play much his freshman year because of too many mental mistakes. And he'll be 22 by the start of his rookie year.
He's brimming with potential for sure, and he always plays hard, but he needs to learn to correct his bad habits. I think he'll do it but the adjustment will be rough.
For now I just care if he gets Cuse past Indiana (or Temple, I guess).
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If we draft 19 and its between withey or olynyk who would you choose?? Yes Olynyk can dribble better and has better scoring moves/touch, but Withey would own him on defense. Plus is underrated on offense actually, with a nice hook shot , dunks through alley hoops, jump shots and due to his lengths garbage tip ins.
I'd take Olynyk.
I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.
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MCW is not a great player, in my opinion. He turns it over way too often, and his lack of a jump shot is going to hurt him in the pros. I don't like him.
Olynyk is soft. He has decent post moves, but from what I've watched, he likes to stand on the perimeter and shoot jumpers. Plus, his defense is subpar. I don't like him either.
Russ Smith is a shorter, more athletic Jordan Crawford. He's not someone I want on this team.
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MCW is not a great player, in my opinion. He turns it over way too often, and his lack of a jump shot is going to hurt him in the pros. I don't like him.
Olynyk is soft. He has decent post moves, but from what I've watched, he likes to stand on the perimeter and shoot jumpers. Plus, his defense is subpar. I don't like him either.
Russ Smith is a shorter, more athletic Jordan Crawford. He's not someone I want on this team.
can you name a few players you like and think we have a chance of drafting?
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2 big games i'll keep my eye out today is
Kansas vs UNC
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Creighton vs Duke.
Interested in how Jeff Withey and Mcdermott plays. But also outside interested to see how Mcadoo and Plumlee plays. All of these guys could be in our radar when we pick
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MCW is not a great player, in my opinion. He turns it over way too often, and his lack of a jump shot is going to hurt him in the pros. I don't like him.
Olynyk is soft. He has decent post moves, but from what I've watched, he likes to stand on the perimeter and shoot jumpers. Plus, his defense is subpar. I don't like him either.
Russ Smith is a shorter, more athletic Jordan Crawford. He's not someone I want on this team.
can you name a few players you like and think we have a chance of drafting?
In order of preference:
1. Tim Hardaway Jr. - him, Rondo, and Bradley could be special
2. Jeff Withey - fills a need
3. Doug McDermott - solid game, can contribute right away
4. Gorgui Dieng - better version of Fab
5. Isaiah Austin - oozing with potential, unlikely we get him, though
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I'd take Olynyk.
I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.
You can't teach footspeed or jumping. He has none of these reminds me of Joe Klein. Those skills will only help him if people buy the fakes.
You must be a Conan the Destroyer fan because Oly stole his hair from that movie.
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Danny: buy a second round pick and take Aaron Craft. Seriously.
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I'd take Olynyk.
I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.
You can't teach footspeed or jumping. He has none of these reminds me of Joe Klein. Those skills will only help him if people buy the fakes.
You must be a Conan the Destroyer fan because Oly stole his hair from that movie.
Yeah, like Brook Lopez has the footspeed and the jumping and he's an All Star right now. What's your point?
He has NBA level low post skills and offense, just like Brook Lopez is coming in. He's mobile enough, he runs the floor well and plays the pick and roll great. He's a very good passer. Sure he aint as fast as the athletic ones, but he has a ton of things to offer. If he had the athleticism he'll be a number 1 pick. You can't have everything in one guy, especially in the mid teens in the draft, that's one in thousand (maybe). For where we are picking, if he drops, he should be a no brainer.
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Just saw Creighton vs Cincinati game that just passed.
- Mcdermott is hounded like crazy every possession. Still got 25 points but he had trouble getting free just to get passes. Also was blocked a few times inside. Like many draft expert stated , he will prob be like a kyle korver in the nba. A 3 point specialist, though i feel he has enough skills to throw his man off balance with an inside post/cutting game. I wonder how he would perform with a legit first pass pg? or not being the #1 option in the nba.
- Dieng the past two games, has been playing in the shawdows of russ smith and siva. I think he is perfect in fg percentage too, though only scoring like less than 10 points each game. Has only like 3 rebounds each game also. He moves like a freight train, in that once he is in motion he is pretty quick for his height. But anything in between, he is pretty avg, especially side to side movements. I just smell too much Melo part 2 with Dieng.
- Withey . I've liked this guy ever since he put a number on sully last year. He doesn't need to score a bucket to be effective. His shot blocking capabilites alone would be a big help for us. But unlike Melo who is also a good shot blocker, withey just moves so much better around the court, doesn't make too many mistakes and has better hands. Even if he has an o/s tourney i don't think he will get picked below 20. But i do think he will be ideal pickup for the celts. Think of Jeff Foster but not as good rebounder but a better shot blocker and shooter.
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Danny: buy a second round pick and take Aaron Craft. Seriously.
we won't be able to regardless if we can buy a 2nd
#1, craft is going to stay until his senior year. And beyond
#2 this "beyond" means he will study to become a doctor. I read somewhere that he is not going to play in the nba and pursue his dream to become a doctor.
Kid is a battler and i would of liked him on the team too
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I'd take Olynyk.
I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.
You can't teach footspeed or jumping. He has none of these reminds me of Joe Klein. Those skills will only help him if people buy the fakes.
You must be a Conan the Destroyer fan because Oly stole his hair from that movie.
Yeah, like Brook Lopez has the footspeed and the jumping and he's an All Star right now. What's your point?
He has NBA level low post skills and offense, just like Brook Lopez is coming in. He's mobile enough, he runs the floor well and plays the pick and roll great. Sure he aint as fast as the athletic ones, but he has a ton of things to offer.
Lopez and olynyk are different. Lopez makes up lack of quickness with Strength. Even from college he was a strong guy. So in one on one situations, he will not be taken advantage of, unless a center is a sharpshooter from the perimeter (and how many guys are like that?)
Olynyk could also strengthen up. But its not easy to weightlift into being a strongman in 1 or 3 years. He may never be able to either.
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I'd take Olynyk.
I like Olynyk, and I definitely think next to KG he'll learn how to play better defense. Whithey and his defense is a great asset, but Olynyk's skill set down low, along with his pick and roll offense would be a big help for us. We can go to him if we need points or we need someone to get to the line. He has a long way to go on the defensive side, but that can be learned.
You can't teach footspeed or jumping. He has none of these reminds me of Joe Klein. Those skills will only help him if people buy the fakes.
You must be a Conan the Destroyer fan because Oly stole his hair from that movie.
Yeah, like Brook Lopez has the footspeed and the jumping and he's an All Star right now. What's your point?
He has NBA level low post skills and offense, just like Brook Lopez is coming in. He's mobile enough, he runs the floor well and plays the pick and roll great. Sure he aint as fast as the athletic ones, but he has a ton of things to offer.
Lopez and olynyk are different. Lopez makes up lack of quickness with Strength. Even from college he was a strong guy. So in one on one situations, he will not be taken advantage of, unless a center is a sharpshooter from the perimeter (and how many guys are like that?)
Olynyk could also strengthen up. But its not easy to weightlift into being a strongman in 1 or 3 years. He may never be able to either.
That strength did not show up when they got eliminated by Texas in his last year at Stanford though. Brook is not known for his strength (im not saying he's weak, just that it's not his bread and butter), it's his polished low post skills. Olynyk is the same, only older. Olynyk will be able to adjust to the physicality of the NBA just like Brook did.
Olynyk's offense gives us a threat down low, like Brook had coming in. Speaking of perimeter, he's a solid mid range shooter as well.
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Olnyk is a lot more Spencer Hawes than Brook Lopez.
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Olynyk sounds interesting.
With his mix of size, high level mobility and quality jump-shooting ... it's hard not seeing him being able to put up 15-17 points per 36 minutes in the NBA.
Defense and rebounding look like major question marks but skilled size is in short supply. He seems like a guy worth taking a flyer on. See if you can coach him up in those areas.
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ESPN did an analysis of NCAA performance vs regular-season performance, and players who played better in the tournament not only got drafted higher, but also had longer careers than players who didn't. I think it was in their recent analytics issue. Can't find the article online.
Low sample size though, but it looks like it flies right in the wind of what Danny's saying.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true, but not necessarily for the right reasons.
Interestingly, I believe I read an article about how players who saw their "projected draft spot" get better due to a good tourney tend to be more likely to underperform for their relative draft spot. On the flipside, players who saw their "projected draft spot" get worse due to a bad tournament game tend to out perform their draft slot. The implication of this article was that if you were projected to be a 15-20 pick based on 30 games, then had a great tourney and were picked 6th, you tended to play in the NBA like a 15-20 pick. And vice versa.
Now both of these could be true. It could be true that a good tourney does get you a better draft slot (but it could be undeserved). I also think it's absolutely true that getting drafted higher would lead to a longer career, even if you aren't good. Think about how many bad players are undrafted FAs, play 1 year, then are out. But if you're a first rounder and suck, you usually get at least 4 years because it's almost automatic to pick up those team options. Then, because of "pedigree," other teams keep taking chances. Kandi, Marcus Banks, Gerald Green, Thabeet, Darko, etc, all probably got more chances simply due to rep than comparable undrafted talent.
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Yeah, like Brook Lopez has the footspeed and the jumping and he's an All Star right now. What's your point?
Oly makes Lopez look like Carl Lewis. Lopez can get get above the rim too more than Oly. My point is he sucks athletically and should have dominated against Wichita State but did not.
I think he will be out of the league in five years or DL bound.
NBA Comparison: Spencer Hawes/Fabricio Oberto
Strengths: Legit 7 footer with a polished, highly effective post skill set ... Prolific scorer on the college level averaging 18 ppg on 66 fg% in 25 mpg ... Very comfortable operating on the block, using textbook positioning ... Shows an excellent understanding of the game and has become one of the most dominant bigs on the college level ... Has the ability to score on the block with up and unders, pump fakes, drop steps as well as knock down mid range and even outside shots ... Solid in the open floor but more effective in the half court ... Has decent agility, just lacks much explosiveness. He's not a stand out athlete, but he does have considerable touch and coordination for a 7-footer ... Can play out on the perimeter effectively, showing the ability to pass the ball and even handle the ball to get to the basket ... Does a good job of using his body to shield defenders from the ball when going to the basket ... Solid strength and rebounding ability ... Unusually polished post skills for a college player. Gets a low base providing a big target. Seals off his man and holds his position after passes to set up easy buckets. Has advanced footwork and utilizes a variety of effective fakes, spin moves and counter moves to draw contact and get opponents off balance ... Not pretty but effective ... Finishes very well around the basket, even after contact ... Quick, reliable hands and good reflexes allow him to catch passes and go up for shots quickly ... Excellent shooter. Very comfortable knocking down mid range shots. 82% FT shooter is very good for a big ... While not an efficient 3 point shooter at this point (33% on low volume) he appears to be a guy that could incorporate that into his game ... Gets the most of his abilities on the defensive end, staying between man and basket and not biting on pump fakes or gambling for steals ... Motivated, plays with consistent effort and energy ... His improvement over his college career is a testament to his work ethic and coachability ...
Weaknesses: Not the most athletic guy. Below the rim type of "finesse" player ... Foot speed and overall athleticism are below average for the NBA ... While he gives solid energy and effort, his lack of foot speed and athleticism decreases his defensive abilities ... Naturally thick legs slow his quickness and explosiveness some ... Not a shot blocker, lacks the leaping ability to be an intimidating defensive force ... Runs into trouble against elite level bigman athletes that don't fall for his fakes as he is unable to bull his way to the basket and can struggle to get his shot off. Gets his shots blocked a fair amount, and that will likely increase against bigger and better athletes at the next level ... Already the age of a senior so while his experience and NBA readiness might be looked at as a positive, his age, 1991 born, will also be viewed as a negative by scouts in terms of upside ...
Notes: Redshirted the 2011-12 season with Robert Sacre the featured center at Gonzaga and used the time off well to turn himself into a dominant player ... Has proven to be a prolific scorer in his red shirt junior season ...
http://nbadraft.net/players/kelly-olynyk
Note he was behind Robert Sacre and on the bench because of him.
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Yeah, like Brook Lopez has the footspeed and the jumping and he's an All Star right now. What's your point?
Oly makes Lopez look like Carl Lewis. Lopez can get get above the rim too more than Oly. My point is he sucks athletically and should have dominated against Wichita State but did not.
I think he will be out of the league in five years or DL bound.
NBA Comparison: Spencer Hawes/Fabricio Oberto
Strengths: Legit 7 footer with a polished, highly effective post skill set ... Prolific scorer on the college level averaging 18 ppg on 66 fg% in 25 mpg ... Very comfortable operating on the block, using textbook positioning ... Shows an excellent understanding of the game and has become one of the most dominant bigs on the college level ... Has the ability to score on the block with up and unders, pump fakes, drop steps as well as knock down mid range and even outside shots ... Solid in the open floor but more effective in the half court ... Has decent agility, just lacks much explosiveness. He's not a stand out athlete, but he does have considerable touch and coordination for a 7-footer ... Can play out on the perimeter effectively, showing the ability to pass the ball and even handle the ball to get to the basket ... Does a good job of using his body to shield defenders from the ball when going to the basket ... Solid strength and rebounding ability ... Unusually polished post skills for a college player. Gets a low base providing a big target. Seals off his man and holds his position after passes to set up easy buckets. Has advanced footwork and utilizes a variety of effective fakes, spin moves and counter moves to draw contact and get opponents off balance ... Not pretty but effective ... Finishes very well around the basket, even after contact ... Quick, reliable hands and good reflexes allow him to catch passes and go up for shots quickly ... Excellent shooter. Very comfortable knocking down mid range shots. 82% FT shooter is very good for a big ... While not an efficient 3 point shooter at this point (33% on low volume) he appears to be a guy that could incorporate that into his game ... Gets the most of his abilities on the defensive end, staying between man and basket and not biting on pump fakes or gambling for steals ... Motivated, plays with consistent effort and energy ... His improvement over his college career is a testament to his work ethic and coachability ...
Weaknesses: Not the most athletic guy. Below the rim type of "finesse" player ... Foot speed and overall athleticism are below average for the NBA ... While he gives solid energy and effort, his lack of foot speed and athleticism decreases his defensive abilities ... Naturally thick legs slow his quickness and explosiveness some ... Not a shot blocker, lacks the leaping ability to be an intimidating defensive force ... Runs into trouble against elite level bigman athletes that don't fall for his fakes as he is unable to bull his way to the basket and can struggle to get his shot off. Gets his shots blocked a fair amount, and that will likely increase against bigger and better athletes at the next level ... Already the age of a senior so while his experience and NBA readiness might be looked at as a positive, his age, 1991 born, will also be viewed as a negative by scouts in terms of upside ...
Notes: Redshirted the 2011-12 season with Robert Sacre the featured center at Gonzaga and used the time off well to turn himself into a dominant player ... Has proven to be a prolific scorer in his red shirt junior season ...
http://nbadraft.net/players/kelly-olynyk
Note he was behind Robert Sacre and on the bench because of him.
I've seen enough slam jams from Olynyk to know that he can get up. He's too skilled to be D-League, and he did dominate Wichita State, 26 and 9 and got to the line 14 times. He did shoot bad and that's something he needs to work at. But he is way too polished to be out of the league like your saying.
I understand that he's not athletically gifted, but to tell that he's not NBA material is stretching it. He can be a low post threat. He redshirted and came back a POTY candidate. He's better than Sacre would ever be.
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McLemore is looking shaky so far in the tourney. Probably distracted by the success of his single.
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If they lose today and the way its going, no way mclamore goes #1. He has trouble creating shots for himself.
Its going to be interesting who gets picked #1
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If they lose today and the way its going, no way mclamore goes #1. He has trouble creating shots for himself.
Its going to be interesting who gets picked #1
I wonder if Noel will go #1 anyway despite the injury.
Nobody really seems to be stepping up to take it away from him.
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nice comeback. But mclamore keeps looking shaky. Just can't finish. Withey on the other hand looking like a top 10 pick.
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I'd hate to have a top five pick in this draft. Fans expect star-level talent from that high of a pick, but with the possible exception of Noel (who has an ACL injury) I don't see anybody who I'd put on that level.
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If Kansas can pull off this comeback, it will be interesting to see how Withey fares against michigan. Especially against a legit stronger center in Mitch Mcgary.
If he pulls off a decent performance, i want Withey for our pick. He is projected to go late 20's. It doesn't matter to me
Sully and Withey would be an interesting strength and length combo on the inside. Finally we can rest easy with our inside troubles
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I'd hate to have a top five pick in this draft. Fans expect star-level talent from that high of a pick, but with the possible exception of Noel (who has an ACL injury) I don't see anybody who I'd put on that level.
I have never seen this in my life where a player no matter who it is , gets drafted #1 while he is recoving from a pretty serious injury.
I wouldn't do it if i were the bobcats. Maybe i might risk it , if i were Orlando. If i got lucky in the lotto, already ok up front and can wait a few years, i would then consider Noel.
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I'd hate to have a top five pick in this draft. Fans expect star-level talent from that high of a pick, but with the possible exception of Noel (who has an ACL injury) I don't see anybody who I'd put on that level.
I have never seen this in my life where a player no matter who it is , gets drafted #1 while he is recoving from a pretty serious injury.
Kenyon Martin broke his leg in the conference tourney and was drafted #1.
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I'd hate to have a top five pick in this draft. Fans expect star-level talent from that high of a pick, but with the possible exception of Noel (who has an ACL injury) I don't see anybody who I'd put on that level.
I have never seen this in my life where a player no matter who it is , gets drafted #1 while he is recoving from a pretty serious injury.
Kenyon Martin broke his leg in the conference tourney and was drafted #1.
True. Also, one of the worst draft classes of alltime.
This draft doesn't look like it has any franchise changers. Lots of question marks. On paper, one of the weaker ones I've seen although you could end up with a healthy dose of rotation guys,
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I'd hate to have a top five pick in this draft. Fans expect star-level talent from that high of a pick, but with the possible exception of Noel (who has an ACL injury) I don't see anybody who I'd put on that level.
I have never seen this in my life where a player no matter who it is , gets drafted #1 while he is recoving from a pretty serious injury.
Kenyon Martin broke his leg in the conference tourney and was drafted #1.
Fair enough. But he did suffer another broken leg after he was drafted and had a series of other injuries for his career.
I find players who get injured while they are young, usually end up being injured , easier later in their careers vs a player who has a bulletproof health history. Not sure if its good genetics/body or just the way they play that gets them in trouble.
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I'd hate to have a top five pick in this draft. Fans expect star-level talent from that high of a pick, but with the possible exception of Noel (who has an ACL injury) I don't see anybody who I'd put on that level.
I have never seen this in my life where a player no matter who it is , gets drafted #1 while he is recoving from a pretty serious injury.
Kenyon Martin broke his leg in the conference tourney and was drafted #1.
True. Also, one of the worst draft classes of alltime.
This draft doesn't look like it has any franchise changers. Lots of question marks. On paper, one of the weaker ones I've seen although you could end up with a healthy dose of rotation guys,
i agree. The martin year draft was prob one of the worse in history. Jamal Crawford and Redd were the only other decent players out of that draft. We were blessed to draft Moiso =[
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Has Sherwood Brown really not yet been mentioned in this thread?!?! #binky
Seriously, this guy playing his way into the 2nd round or no? I think he has a place at the end of an NBA roster. Possible Marquis Daniels like player? (hair aside)
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Has Sherwood Brown really not yet been mentioned in this thread?!?! #binky
Seriously, this guy playing his way into the 2nd round or no? I think he has a place at the end of an NBA roster. Possible Marquis Daniels like player? (hair aside)
I'm pretty sure he's already making some noise from NBA scouts. He can be 4th guard of any team in the NBA. Still not sure if he can score the way he does on the NBA level, but he has the physical tools to be on a team.
I just want to put this out, Jamal Franklin is a top 5 pick. Sure he did not win this game but he has STAR written all over him. He's an addition to the MY BOY club (along with Brandon Rush, JJ Redick and Jason Smith).
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Has Sherwood Brown really not yet been mentioned in this thread?!?! #binky
Seriously, this guy playing his way into the 2nd round or no? I think he has a place at the end of an NBA roster. Possible Marquis Daniels like player? (hair aside)
I'm pretty sure he's already making some noise from NBA scouts. He can be 4th guard of any team in the NBA. Still not sure if he can score the way he does on the NBA level, but he has the physical tools to be on a team.
I just want to put this out, Jamal Franklin is a top 5 pick. Sure he did not win this game but he has STAR written all over him. He's an addition to the MY BOY club (along with Brandon Rush, JJ Redick and Jason Smith).
Jamaal franklin is crafty and decent athleticm/quickness but not a starter in the nba for now. FG percentage in general is bad. Too dependent on the right hand.
He does alot of other little things. Like a Paul Pierce light, guard version. But likely a pick in the 20's or early 2nd round
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great game going on now with duke vs creighton. Let's see what Mcdermott can do vs a top team like duke
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mcdermott gets the ball downlow and takes zero seconds before putting up the ball. Also he is so tricky in utilizing screens. He likes to use opponent defenders to help him screen the man chasing him around.
Duke is getting a headache right now
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Regarding McDermott...
Extremely active. Jumpshot's not falling so far, but he's doing fairly well in the post.
Don't know what I think of his post game. He has great touch and his activity serves him well in establishing deep position. On the negative side, he isn't particularly quick or strong and hasn't displayed the ability to generate open shots down there, relying instead on being able to convert heavily contested looks. We'll see if he pulls new tricks out of the bag as we head into the second half.
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Regarding McDermott...
Extremely active. Jumpshot's not falling so far, but he's doing fairly well in the post.
Don't know what I think of his post game. He has great touch and his activity serves him well in establishing deep position. On the negative side, he isn't particularly quick or strong and hasn't displayed the ability to generate open shots down there, relying instead on being able to convert heavily contested looks. We'll see if he pulls new tricks out of the bag as we head into the second half.
Creighton looks like they will lose. Mcdermott is getting hounded as usual. Its incredible Creighton did as good as they did bc they are short in talent outside of mcdermott. If there was even one more guy who can take on some of the scoring, than Mcdermott can be free.
Bc of this loss its hard to tell how mcdermott would do with more support and or not be the go to guy.
I like Mcdermott but Withey fills out a need, plays intense in tourneys (near breaking duncans blocking record), has nba length and is a safer choice: Thus i'd go with him, pending he doesn't get rocked by Mcgary next week.
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Shane Larkin is a guy that will probably be available, according to mocks, where we pick. It would be nice to finally have a true 1 behind Rondo, especially with the somewhat uncertainty surrounding Rondo's injury.