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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: CelticConcourse on March 16, 2013, 02:51:08 PM
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My first trade idea... All-Star for All-Star, Atalnta gets their Smoove/RR dream. I would probably want Teague too and they would probably say no. What do y'all think?
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My first trade idea... All-Star for All-Star, Atalnta gets their Smoove/RR dream. I would probably want Teague too and they would probably say no. What do y'all think?
I would LOVE to have Al Horford. However, Atlanta says no as they don't need Rondo. They already have Teague and will have a healthy Lou Williams next year.
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so fast it would make your head spin.
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I'd make the call if I were Ainge. I've loved Horford since college.
But I'd be surprised if Atlanta would do it.
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Great trade for us not so good for them. The only thing this type of trade would do for the Hawks is possibly allow them to keep Smith. Teague then could possibly be traded for someting else.
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A KG/Horford frontcourt would be difficult for opponents to deal with and a dream for us.
Sadly, dreams don't often come true.
The only real incentive for the Hawks to do this would be having Rondo as an enticement for JSmoove to stay.
I would throw in Sully to do this, as much as I would hate to part with him. If you ever had a chance to get Horford, you gotta do it.
Still think Hawks don't bite, though.
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No motivation for Atlanta to make this deal sadly.
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Yes, Oui, Si.
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Horford alone isn't enough for Rondo. Horford and Teague is probably too much. But if Atlanta actually wanted to keep Smith (which they don't), they'd probably do such a trade.
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Atlanta could keep Smith without Rondo, they just don't want to pay him. They might keep Smith, if they could get Rondo and keep Horford as then they would have a pretty nice little trio.
I still think a trade centered around Teague and Williams for Rondo makes a lot of sense
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Atlanta could keep Smith without Rondo, they just don't want to pay him. They might keep Smith, if they could get Rondo and keep Horford as then they would have a pretty nice little trio.
I still think a trade centered around Teague and Williams for Rondo makes a lot of sense
We don't need another 2 in Williams, unless we were just stockpiling assets.
Also, I would make them eat Bass' or Terry's contract, give us ZaZa and at least one first or Deven Harris' expiring.
I do like Teague, though.
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Atlanta could keep Smith without Rondo, they just don't want to pay him. They might keep Smith, if they could get Rondo and keep Horford as then they would have a pretty nice little trio.
I still think a trade centered around Teague and Williams for Rondo makes a lot of sense
We don't need another 2 in Williams, unless we were just stockpiling assets.
Also, I would make them eat Bass' or Terry's contract, give us ZaZa and at least one first or Deven Harris' expiring.
I do like Teague, though.
I remember a time in cb history where there were actually debates over who was better: Harris or Rondo - my how times have changed.
Anyway, if we aren't getting back Horford, there is no reason to make a trade with Atl. Rondo would easily be the best player in the above proposed trade and he is on a fairly cap-friendly deal. I have no desire to take on spare parts for Rondo.
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I have to say yes to this. Horford and KG would be dangerous. Atlanta might say yes to this... Rondo coming to ATL could keep Josh Smith, it would bring them another All-Star, and it would give them somebody to create offense that isn't isolation-driven.
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Love Horford. one of the few players I'd move Rondo for. Agree with other poster that Horford's not enough for him though. would have to be something along the lines of Horford/Teague for Rondo/Bass/Melo.
even though Horford plays center for Atl, he's really a PF. the thing about this deal is while I think Rondo can be a primary building block for a team, I think Horford's a step down in that regard --> an almost-building-block.
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Love Horford...Not for Rondo's expense though.
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Atlanta could keep Smith without Rondo, they just don't want to pay him. They might keep Smith, if they could get Rondo and keep Horford as then they would have a pretty nice little trio.
I still think a trade centered around Teague and Williams for Rondo makes a lot of sense
We don't need another 2 in Williams, unless we were just stockpiling assets.
Also, I would make them eat Bass' or Terry's contract, give us ZaZa and at least one first or Deven Harris' expiring.
I do like Teague, though.
when the trade could be made Atlanta would have basically Horford and Williams under contract and not much else available for trade. Teague would have to come over in a sign and trade.
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no
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No brainer IMO.
Skilled big men are a LOT rarer in this league than skilled PG's. We'd have a far better chance of picking up an all-star PG in a draft then we'd have of picking up an all-star big man.
We already have Bradley, Lee, Terry and Crawford in the backcourt which is a very solid guard rotation. In the front court though we are paper thin.
If we made this change I see two scenario. Near future I see Hortford and KG in the front court with Sully coming off the bench - that's an exceptional frontcourt. Distant future I see Sully and Hortford in the front court with (whowever we have by that time) coming off the bench.
Hortford is a fairly young and very talented big man who can pass, defend, rebound and also score in a variety of ways. He's a legit all-star calibre big man who is genuinely capable of playing the center position effectively (and spent plenty of time doing so in Atl).
Future lineup of AB, Lee, Green, Sully, Hortford? Plus $25M in cap space to add more guys (KG / Pierce / Terry will be gone by then)?
A lot of potential there...
Also I dont get why people are saying Hortford is not a good enough return for Rondo. Hortford is an All-Star caibre big man in a world where All-Star calibre big men are rare and overvalued. He plays on both ends of the floor, he's strong yet athletic, he's a good rebounder and passer and (unlike Rondo) he is not a borderline head case.
The Celtics will NEED a high quality frontcourt guy to take over once KG leaves, and neither Sully nor Melo is likely to be that guy - both are more likely to become very good support players at best. They already have a young and talented backcourt for the future, so if you have a chance to pick up a young and talented big man you MUST take that deal.
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If I was RR and I didn't get traded, I'd walk and make sure you got nothing after the shameful way this blog has treated him!
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As much as people think rondo is overrated....horford isn't? He's solid..that's it....no real upside, no real hope for anything spectacular or dominant.....just solid.
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No brainer IMO.
Skilled big men are a LOT rarer in this league than skilled PG's. We'd have a far better chance of picking up an all-star PG in a draft then we'd have of picking up an all-star big man.
We already have Bradley, Lee, Terry and Crawford in the backcourt which is a very solid guard rotation. In the front court though we are paper thin.
If we made this change I see two scenario. Near future I see Hortford and KG in the front court with Sully coming off the bench - that's an exceptional frontcourt. Distant future I see Sully and Hortford in the front court with (whowever we have by that time) coming off the bench.
Hortford is a fairly young and very talented big man who can pass, defend, rebound and also score in a variety of ways. He's a legit all-star calibre big man who is genuinely capable of playing the center position effectively (and spent plenty of time doing so in Atl).
Future lineup of AB, Lee, Green, Sully, Hortford? Plus $25M in cap space to add more guys (KG / Pierce / Terry will be gone by then)?
A lot of potential there...
Also I dont get why people are saying Hortford is not a good enough return for Rondo. Hortford is an All-Star caibre big man in a world where All-Star calibre big men are rare and overvalued. He plays on both ends of the floor, he's strong yet athletic, he's a good rebounder and passer and (unlike Rondo) he is not a borderline head case.
The Celtics will NEED a high quality frontcourt guy to take over once KG leaves, and neither Sully nor Melo is likely to be that guy - both are more likely to become very good support players at best. They already have a young and talented backcourt for the future, so if you have a chance to pick up a young and talented big man you MUST take that deal.
Co-sign. Excellent post.
This is one of the moves you could make to truly position this team for the future - assuming Atlanta would go along, which they won't because of the points above - as opposed to dumping our aging stars for players of questionable talent who can dunk.
Precisely what I've been advocating with a Rondo offload. Wish I thought it would happen.
TP.
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It would be something I would definitely consider for the Celtics and I wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks were interested as well. The Celtics get the big man they are desperately in need of moving forward, who has a great all around game (not a superstar though). The Hawks would get Rondo an upgrade over Teague, on a friendly deal and that just might be enough to get Smith to stay AND not for the max if he wants to play with Rondo.
Think it would have to be a 3 team trade though because I don't see Horford being equal value for Rondo, but Horford and Teague would be too much.
By bringing in Rondo the Hawks could move Teague to a 3rd team in need of a PG (Utah maybe? idk) and split the return assets (assumably a decent big and a pick) between themselves and the Celtics.
The Celtics end up with Horford and a first. The Hawks get Rondo (bring back Smith) and move Teague for a lesser big to replace Horford.
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Actually, I'd suspect we'd have to throw in a first with Rondo. I doubt the Hawks see Rondo as value for Horford - again given the long unspoken rule that a little for a big is not value.
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Actually, I'd suspect we'd have to throw in a first with Rondo. I doubt the Hawks see Rondo as value for Horford - again given the long unspoken rule that a little for a big is not value.
i like horford than al jeff
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Atlanta could keep Smith without Rondo, they just don't want to pay him. They might keep Smith, if they could get Rondo and keep Horford as then they would have a pretty nice little trio.
I still think a trade centered around Teague and Williams for Rondo makes a lot of sense
We don't need another 2 in Williams, unless we were just stockpiling assets.
Also, I would make them eat Bass' or Terry's contract, give us ZaZa and at least one first or Deven Harris' expiring.
I do like Teague, though.
when the trade could be made Atlanta would have basically Horford and Williams under contract and not much else available for trade. Teague would have to come over in a sign and trade.
I feel like you have trouble ever coming up with a trade where we "win" the trade
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I think the only was a trade built around rondo for horford happens is if atl think that smith and rondo gets them a fa d Howard.